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Israel's Evolution: A Deep Dive into Its Historical Timeline with Mark Moss

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In this enlightening episode of the Mark Moss Show, Mark embarks on a journey through time, exploring the pivotal events that have shaped Israel's rich history. From ancient civilizations to modern-day milestones, gain a comprehensive understanding of Israel's narrative like never before. Whether you're a history buff or just curious about the Middle East, this episode promises to deepen your appreciation and knowledge of a nation that has stood at the crossroads of history.

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Mark Moss Show. As we're always talking about the decentralized revolution, we're talking about de globalization, we're talking about the way the world is breaking apart, and of course we look at it through the lens of politics, finance, and technology. And you know, I've been doing this show now for about two years hitting these topics, talking about this deglobalization, and of course I use history as our guide. I use cycles of

history as our guide. And it's a lot of times I get people asking me, like, Mark, you keep saying this is going to happen. When is it going to happen? And I say, well, it is happening. It's a process and we're going through it. But never have we seen it more pressing and more real than what we're seeing right now. And I say that with knowing that the last couple of years have been crazy. I mean really

things really started taking off with the pandemic. Obviously, this authoritarian push caused this outline, and this was just sort of this cause and effect, and we had this authoritarian push around the world to lock everything down and control everything, which then caused lots of things to happen but I want to just pause for a second and let you

know what we're going to talk about today. So we're talking about today how the world has continued to break apart, specifically with the wars happening in the Middle East, and I want to break down I've been sort of somewhat silent on this because well, as I did talk about it in a YouTube video, but I've been somewhat silent about this because, oh, it's so hard to know what is going on. You can easily counter either side, you can blame either side, you can counter the counter of

the counter of either side. You can keep going deeper and deeper and deeper. And I didn't feel that one I knew where the truth was, and two I didn't feel like I had anything very constructive to say. But now that it's been going on for a while, I've been digging into it way more than I maybe should or need to. And I have some more stuff today, and I want to come and I want to talk about this new world war that's about to begin. And

I'm going to use history as our guide. So we're going to talk about what's going on in the Middle East, but we're going to go through it from a historical perspective, so we could try to understand where we're at today from a let's say, a neutral lens, and then think about how this fits into the glo the greater global conflict that we're seeing, and again back into this deglobalization or decentralization that we're talking about. All right, so that's

what we're going to talk about now. Like I said, things really seem to take off during the pandemic, but really it actually started happening before that. So in December of twenty nineteen, there were ten countries in the world

with over one million people each in the streets protesting. Okay, so a lot of this pushback, this US against them, the people versus the government, seems to have started during this pandemic, like I said, when this authoritarian regime really started to kind of put the pressure on governments around the world. But really, like I said, it actually in December tween nineteen, ten countries had a million people each protesting. So it's been one on for a while, and it's

because of this pendulum that swings back and forth. I've been talking about, Now, how does this fit into this greater context. Well, now we have this authoritarian push people, and really it was sort of this uh, this last grasp of power that these states won have. And you know, per Klaud Schwab's own words and not his own words, his own book. Klaus Schwab is the head of the World Economic Forum. If you're listening to the show hum,

I'm sure you know that by now. But he wrote a book called the Great Reset, that's what he called it. It's his book, go read it. And he said that we should take advantage of this opportunity to reimagine, to reset the world, to build it new. And of course they certainly tried to do that. And since then we've just seen this continue to escalate. Things really started to escalate in Canada when when the trucker started to protest against that. Things really started to escalate. With the Russia

Ukraine situation. Of course, now we still have the China Taiwan situation. We're going to talk about that later. And now in the Middle East things are breaking apart. But like I said, I wanted to kind of go back through history so you can have a better understanding of what is going on there and where we're going. And again I like to use history because it gives us better context of what's going on and right now, what I would like to see personally is peace. I think

most people would like to see peace. Now, there's certainly people on both sides that want to kill each other. There's certainly that, but I think the majority of people in the world just want peace. The question is how do we get there? And so that's what we're going to take a look at. We first have to understand that in order to get peace, and this is just conflict resolution one on one, in order to get peace, both sides have to be able to put themselves in

other people's shoes. Both sides have to be willing to see both sides of the conflict. And unfortunately, that's something that mainstream media just doesn't seem to want to facilitate. Mainstream media doesn't want to facilitate it. I think there's members on both sides of the government or all the governments that don't want to facilitate this for any number of reasons that we can go into. But in order to get to peace, that has to happen. You know, if I'm in a if I'm in a conflict with

a relationship with my wife or with a friend. I have to be willing to stop and put myself into their shoes. I have to be willing to have empathy and think about where they're coming from. They have to be willing to do the same. We both have to be willing to make concessions, and we both have to be willing to sort of let go of the past or we'll never be able to move forward. That's just

how it works. This is not rocket science here like this is this is This is how it works, and so in order to have peace, that's what's going to have to happen. But for all of the armchair pundits that are getting triggered by what they're seeing at college campuses or whatever news channel you're watching, or people jump into conclusions, and especially social media. Now I'm certainly going to make a case. I was going to do another

episode today. We'll come back with this probably next week on how a lot of this war is actually pushing

forward this authoritarian agenda, which is censorship of speech. Okay, so we know that the end goal is total control over our money, over our energy, over our food, and that as we get further and further along, there's more push back to that and so as the powers that be continue to lose their narrative because of the Internet has given us this freedom of speech and social media stuff, the only way they can continue to hold onto that power is through censoring our ability to well just censoring,

sensoring our ability to have free speech, and which is then sensoring our ability to think because now we don't have ideas, and also censoring our money. So I want to do a whole show on that. We'll come back to that next week. Let me know in the comments if you actually want me to do that, because it's a big, big, big lift and I haven't fully committed yet. If I want to do that, so let me know, hit me up on social media, let me know if

you want me to do. How this war is really being used to push in more censorship, and not just in the Middle East. As a matter of fact, just today at the time of this recording, I saw a news article that came out that in Ukraine they're moving to get rid of all the Orthodox Christian churches there, censoring people's religious freedom in Ukraine. So that's really what

war is about. It's about censoring. It's happened in the United States as well, we've had laws against the free speech in the United States as well, so that's certainly something that's happening. But what I did, I went down that rabbit hole. The reason why I went down that rabbit hole is because social media. As much as I do not want to censor it, I want to continue

to have free speech. Because of the short nature of what we see on social media, we're able to quickly take things out of context, and we're able to quickly jump onto one side of a narrative or another, and without the context, we can make good informed decisions. Right. And so again I'm not for censoring it, but mainstream media, the governments, the mainstream media people on both sides, and just the use of social media, this short form content leads to this, and so I want to help stop that.

And so let me bring context to what this is. You can understand now if we look at the Russia Ukraine situation for a while, I mean, there's both there's two sides of that. They say there's three sides to every story, right, there's like their side, my side, and

then there's something in the middle. And so of course Russia and Ukraine both have their own sides to that, and now we can see israel An Israel and Palestine have their sides right, and each side want to blame the other rather than viewing the events from the current historical lens that we're talking about. But I don't want you to fall into that same trap. So we're going to help you understand what this global historical lens is. You're just tune in, you're listening to the markmas Show.

I'm going to run through this historical context so we can see what's happening in this new war that's shaping up. You don't want to miss it, don't go way, I'll be right back. All right, welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark mass Show, we're talking about the new war that's broken out in the Middle East and how this fits in to the global wars that we're having, the deglobalization, and really I want to run you through the context of what's going on now.

Like I said, there's multiple sides to each story. And so just like in Russia and Ukraine, each side seems to be fighting for their lives. Maybe in Israel, you know they're fighting this existential threat, but so are the Palestinians. But really to understand this, we have to go back. We have to understand that there's a very long history

of conflict in the region. And as a matter of fact, we can go back very far, and I'm going to do that, but I want to start with a little bit more recent times because this is where most people pick up the story, and we can see if there's been this long standing conflict between Israel and Palestine, which really began with the declaration of Israel as an independent nation state in nineteen forty eight. So you're going to hear that Israel went and took the land from the Palestinians,

which they kind of did, but that's not actually what happened. Now. What happened is thousands of Jews did immigrate to Palestinan in the nineteen twenties and the nineteen thirties. When that happened, it did result in lots of violent clashes with the local Arab population that was there now at the time, though they weren't really taking it from the Palestinians because

at the time the British Empire had control. The British Empire was occupying it, and they were attempting to try to limit the amount of Jewish immigration that was coming. And so as they were trying to keep the Jews out, the British, who had control, it made the Jews mad, as you might understand. And at the same time the British state was trying to support for a Jewish homeland,

but that enraged the Arabs. The British had control, and obviously, no matter which side they made concessions to, the other side was going to be angry about it. As this was happening, then World War Two broke out. During World War two and estimated about six million Jews were murdered in Nazi concentration camps. And so after the war, the Jews started flooding out of Europe and started flooding into Palestine, and then you know, they viewed this as their homeland,

which it had been. We're going to go back through that history. And then by nineteen forty seven the British realized the situation had become unsustainable. All right, So this is sort of where we're at today. And so the Palestinians are like, hey, this is our land. How would you feel if they came and took your land? Of course, nobody would like that, right, we could look at this objectionally, nobody would like that. But again, it was actually British

land at the time. The British had ruled it. But I want to go back further, and then we're going to pick up this story. So let's go back a little bit further. Because as a matter of fact, this part of land right there is like the oldest land in the world that we know about. Obviously, all the land of the world is the same age, but this is the part of the world that we know about. It's very well documented. As a matter of fact, we know about sixteen hundred before christ BC, so that's you know,

thirty six hundred years ago or more. We have documentation of that land and what was going on there. So in sixteen hundred BC, Abraham, the father of the Jewish people, went and settled in the land of Israel. All right, So he was a Jew and he was in the Land of Israel, and that was his land. Over three thousand years ago. What happened is there was massive famine in the land, and the people of the Jews living in Israel went to Egypt to get grain and they

ended up moving to Egypt. So there was massive famine. It went for seven years. If you know your Bible stories, you know this, but it's documented throughout secular history as well. And so the Jews left Israel and they went to Egypt to get the food, to get the grain. Then this goes into the second book of the Bible, Exodus, which is Bob Marley made a song about Exodus movement of the people. And in twelve hundred BC, the people, the Jews, left Egypt and they went back to Israel.

All right, and so now we see twelve hundred eleven hundred BC, the tribes of Israel go back, they settle in the land of Israel. So Israel, the Jews lived in Israel, they left, they went to Egypt, they came back to Israel. Then in one thousand BC, the Kingdom of Israel is established. King Saul is the very first king that's there. One thousand BC, Jerusalem becomes the capital of the Kingdom of Israel under now King David nine

hundred and sixty BC. The first temple is built by in Jerusalem by King Solomon seven twenty two to seven to twenty BC. The Kingdom of Israel that's located in the northern land of Israel is conquered. So now the Jews that have been there for now you know, a thousand years, almost eight hundred years, they're now conquered by Assyria. And so now the tribes of Israel go into exile. Now, so the Jews were there, they left, they came back,

they got conquered. Now they're there by Syria. So all of history is a story of one tribe taking over another tribe. Since the very beginning of time, we've had tribes and they battle over scarce resources, and they fight over land, and they fight over food, and one tribe takes over another, and one village takes over another, and one kingdom takes over another, and all of history is

a story of this. So, you know, here in the United States or in Canada, you hear about the indigenous people and their land was taken, but that is factually correct. But they took it from someone else before them, and they took it from someone else before them, and they took it from someone else before them, And so how far do you go back? So we can go back, certainly as this story started to the nineteen forties when the Jews took it from the Palestinians, where I should

say the British gave it to the Jews. However, that's just the last time. So we're going all the way back to the beginning of recorded history sixteen hundred BC, and the Jews were there, okay, so now let's keep going. So they were exiled. The Syrians now took it. So now the Jews don't have it anymore. Now Syria has it a five eighty six PC the Kingdom of Judah. The Jews is now conquered by Babylon. Jerusalem and the Temple are completely demolished, laid to waste, and the Jews

are exiled. So now they're taken out of their own land. They are now exiled to Babylon. Now some of the Jews remained, but most of them were taken away. There's a story of the remnant, the few that were there. So they the Jews never totally left the land. There was always some that remained. Like I said that, the remnant. So now five eighty six they are conquered, and they were exiled to Babylon five thirty eight to five point fifteen BC. They return. They return. The Jews return from

Babylon and they rebuild the temple. Three point thirty two BC. Now the land of Israel is conquered by Alexander the Great. You've probably heard about him. So again they left, they came back, they set up their kingdom again, and now they're taken over again Alexander the Great. Now we go one hundred and sixty BC. The Hasmon revolt against the Greek Empire in reaction to the constraints imposed on the Jewish religious practice. So now there's this revolt. Now the

Greeks are fighting over the land. To sixty three BC the Jews establish independence again. You see how this just is a cycle. It just repeats over and over. Now sixty three BC, King Herod from Rome now rules the land in Israel. Now the temple's expanded, becomes a beautiful temple. But in sixty six p see the Jews rebel against the Romans. Now because now the Romans control Israel, so the Jews rebel against that. And then seventy Now this is eighty. So this is now seventy after Christ the

destruction of Jerusalem, and the Second Temple is built. In seventy three the Romans battle to conquer it and the Romans takeover. They change the name of Judea to Syria Palestina, in the name of Jerusalem to Elia Capitalonia, and Jews are forbidden to settle in the land of Israel. So this is one hundred and thirty six eighty now, so again the Jews are forbidden from being in the land of Israel, which they've been in on and off since sixteen hundred PC. All right, Now, if you're just tune in,

you're listening to the Mark Maus Show. I'm giving you historical context so we can have a better understanding of what is going on in the world today. I got a whole lot more to cover when I come back. You don't want to miss it, so don't go away. I'll be right back. All right, welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark mass Show. We're talking about, as always, the decentralization the world, but we're going back through this historical context. We can understand

what's going on in the Middle East. And I'm taking you through a long history, went back all the way to sixteen hundred BC. And if you're just tune in now, we're at six hundred eighty all right, So well, one thirty six eighty, the Romans took control of Israel and forbid the Jews from being in the land. So one thirty six eighty, now we fast forward to so the

Romans have control. Now we fast forward to six hundred eighty and the Persians invade, and the Persians take control, and the Arabs conquest in six thirty eight eighty, So now the Arabs have control of the land. Six thirty eight the liberation of Jerusalem from a combined force of Persians and Jews. So the so the Arabs now have control of that land. But then in ten ninety nine to twelve ninety one, now the Crusader come in, and

now they take over the land. And then in fifteen seventeen the Ottoman Empire comes over and takes over the land and they rule. Then in eighteen sixty three, so three hundred years later, three hundred and thirty years later, the Jewish majority comes back into Jerusalem and renew the land.

Are you starting to get the story here? Nineteen oh one, the establishment of the Jewish National Fund, an organization for purchasing land for Jewish settlement settlement of the Land of Israel comes into place and then there's a lot of history that goes on through here. It starts happening pretty quickly here in nineteen sixteen it's called the Sikes Picot Agreement, and it was between France and Britain, and they delineated the two powers for this Middle Eastern area of rule

in the Ottoman Empire. And this was right around the time, right when the World War for the First World War had ended. So now we have frank in Britain having control, taking overpower that used to be under the Ottoman Empire. And then in nineteen seventeen, a document signed by British Foreign Minister Lord Arthur James Balfour espouse a national Home

for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel. As we keep going, nineteen twenty, the San Remo Agreement gave Britain rule over the Land of Israel after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and ratified the creation of the National Home for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel under the ages of the British power. So again, now the British have power, they have control over the land, and now they're giving it back to the Jewish people who have been in and out of there since sixteen

hundred BC. Of course, the Arabs don't like this. They've been all around this, and so there's riots start happening, all of this starts happening, and now we're sort of caught back up into modern time. All right. So this has been a hotly contested piece of land. It's the oldest piece of land in the world that we have documentation for. And the Jews settled in a land in sixteen hundred BC and have been in and out of

that land ever since for over three thousand years. And here we are back up to nineteen forty seven when after World War II, the British, having control, gave it back to the Israelites, to the Jews. I guess all right, Now this was also created by the United Nations, and so what the United Nations society to do because this situation was unsustainable. Even though the British had control gave it back to the Jews, the Arabs that were there, the Palestinians, still didn't like it, and so there was

this ongoing war. And so the United Nations stepped in to devise a plan, and they said, let's just split the land. Here's what we'll do. Let's just split it. Remember both sides have concessions. They split the land into two sections, and the Jews celebrated and the Arabs were bailed. That was May fourteenth, nineteen forty eight, and the day the British. That was the day the British troops withdrew from Palestine and the State of Israel was declared, and

of course then violence broke out. So as soon as the British troops left, then violence happened. The Muslim countries of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Egypt all attacked the newly formed state and secured Arab territory within it. And in the remaining Israeli territory, thousands of Palestinians were driven out by Israeli forces. So this is where they're driven out of their home, which of course they're not going to be happy about. No one's ever happy about this.

This is not a good situation to be in. And I'm just gonna say, since I didn't say it in the beginning, I don't advocate for any violence. I think I started out by saying I want peace. I think most people in the world want peace, Like, can't we all just get along? Was that Rodney King? Why you know you hear about like these, you know, Miss America contestants, and like, if I could get anything, I just want

world peace, Like why can't we just get along? Unfortunately, we have human nature and some people are just bad and some people want more power control. There's lots of problems. There's ideological problems. This is mostly religious wars, so you have two very distinct ideologies, and there's obviously lots of sex within that. But at this point, now this land

has been given back and there's wars going out. Now it starts to go tit for tat here, all right, So we basically see that all these territories now attack Israel, and Israel moves in and they drive the Palestinians out right, and this is what forms the basis of the base of the conflict that's brewing today. The Palestinians were forcely removed from their homes. They were and they've never forgot it. Now. The situation further escalated nineteen sixty seven when Israel seized

additional territory from Jordan and Syria. So that happened that according to a documentary, that was a war in which the Arab nations clearly were about to attack Israel. Israel had, as it were, both a legal and moral right to strike first, as they did strike first. Oh that's their story. You and I don't know know the answer. We don't know the truth here all right. As a result of Israel's preempt to strike, the Gaza Strip, initially part of Egypt,

came under control of Israel. Now nineteen seventy three, fifty years ago to this attack that has happened. There was a surprise attack on Yam Kapor, and after years of ongoing struggle, Egypt and Israel finally met to negotiate peace in nineteen seventy eight. So again peace was struck out. It was called the Camp David Accords of nineteen seventy eight, and it returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, while Israel kept East Jerusalem and the West Bank, the Golden Heights

in Syria, and the Gaza Strip. Israel also acquired more than one million Palestinian Arabs who lived in Israeli occupied territories. It's a mess over there. Then we have the rise of Hamas. The accords did nothing to soothe old differences, however, and for decades afterwards, Israeli forces in the Palestinian Liberation Organization the PLO, carried on hostilities. Peace talks were renewed in the early nineteen nineties in Oslo, Norway, resulting in

a two state solution. So now we start getting into Hamas. We start thinking about the Palestinians. They wanted to be guaranteed an independent state, and so then the Palistinians were able to elect their own government with the territories of the West Bank and the Gaza stript. Meanwhile, Jerusalem was meant to be a free city there, but of course, surprise surprise, things didn't work out as planned there either. In two thousand, violent clashes between the two communities resumed.

In two thousand and six, Palestinians elected members of a hardline Islamis group called Hamas. The reigning party Fatah ended up with just forty five seats, and so Hamas got seventy four seats and won. The problem that we're in now, now that we're caught up here, and hopefully you appreciate that this was a pretty neutral stance. This is just history,

it's just fact. It is what it is. The problem is now, so Hamas got the majority of the seats, they have the power, they have the control, and in Hamas's founding charter it included a commitment to the total destruction of the Israeli state, which is of course a direct violation of the Oslo Peace Accords. So that's sort of where we're at right now. Now we can argue either side. Of course they want to completely destroyer and

they ran them out of their home. If you got ran out of your home, wouldn't you want to go to story that person as well? But how far do we go back? That's the question. The question is how far do we go back? And really the question is how do we move forward with peace from here? I think that's even the much bigger question because we can

see that as of right now. If one side vows to kill the other unless they get out of their land, on the other side decide says we're not going to get out of land and we'll kill you, how do we have some resolution there? Well, it's going to be very difficult. And if you want to find out what I have to say about that, then don't go wakes.

I gotta take a very quick break. If you're just tune in, you listening to the Mark Maas Show, and we went through the historical account for three thousand years of what led up to this Middle East war that's about to break out or is breaking out. I'm going to come back with more a minute. Don't go await, bear back, all right, welcome back. If you're just tune in,

you're listening to the Mark Maas Show. We're running through the historical context that led us to the point that we're at in the Middle East between Israel and Palestine, and not just those two, actually the entire Arab world. So we went through from over three thousand years of history going back to sixteen hundred BC when Abraham the Jew first settled in the land of Israel, all the accounts of how they've been taken over and moved back, and taken over and moved back, and all these things

all the way to where we're at in current times. So, you know, this is a big issue and there's no good answer for this. In the United States, you know, we have this I already kind of mentioned sort of in the United States and Canada, sort of this push towards recognizing these indigenous people. And again I'm not advocating for any type of violence. I don't like I want

peace like anybody else. But who has the claim you know under the last piece of cord that to World War Two, the deal was is that nobody was supposed to sort of infringe on other people's lands. But of course that continues to happen. I don't have all the answers here. The answers are that we need to put ourselves in each other's shoes. We have to be able to make concessions, we have to be able to forgive, and we have to be able to move forward. But how do we do that in the light of violence

happening around us? That's the bigger question. And then on top of that, how do we do that at a time when the people running the world seem to be wanting the war to happen. Why would they want that to happen. Well, if you remember the last president that was assassinated, John F. Kennedy was assassinated after he made a speech talking about the intelligence community and the problems that they had caused and how he would splinter them into a thousand pieces. That's what he said, and then

he was killed for that. The president before him, Eisenhower, as he was leaving office, he made a speech. Typically after you're done with office or you're on your deathbed, you start to get very honest, and he said that the greatest threat that this nation had was the military

industrial complex. And we don't have to just go back to Eisenheer, We can go all the way back to the founding of the United States, when our founding fathers told us that the greatest risk our kids, that us as modern day people and as Americans would face would be a country that has standing armies. It's always been the military being the greatest threat. And the reason why the military industrial complex is such a threat is because if you have a business, the goal of your business

is to grow your business. It's to make more money. But when you're in the business of war, that means you need more war. Business isn't very good if there's no war. And so we always need this opponent, We always need this boogeyman out there in order for us to continue to invest into new weapons and new arms

and things like that. We can see how you know in there, well, really after since World War Two, but really in the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, we had this cold war between America and Russia, and this led the military industrial complex to continue to spend lots and lots of billions of dollars on new technologies and continue to build up the military and things like that. But finally, in the late eighties and early nineties, then the USSR

finally collapsed. Communism took its toll. The USSR collapsed, and all of a sudden, now the US didn't have this big boogieman, They didn't have this big army or this country to fear. What happens with the industrial military industrial complex when they don't have this big enemy out there anymore, Well, they need a new enemy. And so shortly thereafter, all

of a sudden, the enemy became terrorism. We had the Twin Towers that went down, and all of a sudden we had to go bomb the Middle East, and now we had to go after terrorists. Now that the beauty of fighting terrorism for them, since for the military industrial complex is that now we don't just have a country that we know where they're at and we can defeat them. No. No, now we have this nameless, faceless enemy who's everywhere and nowhere,

and there's never a way to defeat them ever. So we have endless wars that can go on forever, and it's an ever growing threat that always has to be managed. And of course we can always stoke up a few more along the way. And so now we have this world. In my opinion, that's really in my opinion, it's always been the same, which is what we really have in this world has always been corporatism. Corporatism being corporations and governments working together. And they used to call that fascism.

Now Klaus Schwab with the World That Coming Forum wants to call that public private partnerships. In the US sometimes we call it crony capitalism or cronyism, whatever you want to call it. It's the same thing. It's businesses working in their own interest with the government to continue to build their businesses. That's what it's always been. And so this military industrial complex wants to continue to stoke more wars.

But then we also have other things such as through the Middle East, we have massive amounts of energy, so we have oil pipelines, we have gas pipelines, and so there's lots of interest. As a matter of fact, if you look back through most of what happened through the Gulf wars after nine to eleven, a lot of it seemed to be going over there to protect the interests of some of these rich people or multinational companies, if you want to call it that, securing rights to the energy,

securing oil pipelines and things like that. It's always been about the money. And so because of that, it makes it very difficult for us to understand what's going on. It's the fog of wars, what we call it. And so while on one hand it seems so simple, the other hand, it's like, how do we know this isn't some fake false flag. For example, in Israel net and Yahoo, the prime minister there has been under attack. You know, the people in Israel are not happy with the government.

They became one of the most authoritarian nations in the world during the COVID pandemic, and there's been so much pushback and the country is starting to reject the leadership or the political leadership that's there. So hmm, well, let's see if they start a proxy war, or i should say, a false flag war, if they start war with Palestine,

does that create this sense of nationalism? Does that reignite the people to come together for the good of their Israel country and then sort of get the blame off of net and Yahoo. Well, I mean, I guess that's possible. That could be something, or could it be something bigger? Could it be something about the energy. Could it be that we're trying to stoke a war in the Middle East so that we could limit the supply of energy in the Middle East, so we could get them out

of their position of power. We know that opek Plus is trying to kind of set the price of energy and oil. The US doesn't like that. Could we trying to limit the entire area so that the US interest of oil and natural gas could prevail. There's certainly a call for that. We can look at what's happening in Ukraine as sort of the same way. And so it's very difficult to say. And so that's why, as I said sort of in the beginning when I first started out,

I don't know. I've spent thousands of hours studying this and talking about this and having discussions about this and reading back to history and trying to understand this the best I can. But the fog of war is so thick that we won't ever know. Now, Like I said, what I think should be. The answer is peace, right, and I think that should be the number one goal in everybody's mind is how can we de escalate this situation? How can we treat each other with respect? How can

we try to understand both sides? How can we come to a place where we understand that both sides have been wronged? Here this is not a good situation. There is no returning things back. Sometimes things are just bad. Sometimes we just have to deal with what we have and we have to try to move forward. And that's exactly where we're at. And so that's my point. I wanted to make sure that I've put that out on public record. I stand for peace. I'm not for pro

any of this. I'm for pro people. I'm for pro humanity. I'm for love. I'm for loving each other. I'm for treating each other with tolerance. And that's how I'd like to move forward. I am against the evergrowing state. I am against the war longerene, neo con state apparatus of the military industrial complex. And I hope that more people could see that the real battle isn't between the people, but between the governments. If you're just tune in, you're

listening to the Markmas Show. We've been talking about the way the world is breaking apart from a very long historical lens of what's going on in the Middle East. Hopefully this brings some context to you. Let me know what you think, hit me up in the comments, hit me up on social media, and that's what I got. Thanks so much for listening.

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