I found your videos like three months ago, and you all you offered some hope for the despair that I felt in l A. I mean, maybe not the worst place. I mean maybe New York City might have been worse, but l A has been pretty bad. So that's kind of what you're talking about, people getting their power turned
off for having people at their house or something. The problems with liberalism, but I hadn't lived long enough to see them enacted in the world to understand the problems with things like too much regulation from the government or just just too big of government in general. The world has been moving to this totalitarian system for a long time, right that that's the trend. And you know China has their social credit system and all of that going on.
How is that fair to people who have negotiated their rate to work at and now you're devaluing their labor. I didn't elect you to do that. Yeah. I became a goldbug in like two thousand eight, after the Great Financial Crash. Then I realized it wasn't so much a goldbug. I was more of a sound money advocate. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of The Market Disruptor Show. And today I am sitting down with Jessica Vaughan. Um. She is a new entrant into the bitcoin space and she
is disrupting things at a pretty rapid scale. UM. It's been pretty amazing to see this transition that she's had, and UM, she has such amazing insights. UM, and I just wanted to bring her on and share it with the world. So I'm not gonna go into too much. Let's just go ahead and walk around. Jessica, thank you so much for joining today. Thanks for having me. Alright, So, UM, yeah, you've you've kind of stormed the scene. You started throwing
rocks at the fed. Got a lot of attraction that way. UM, and you've been you have this interesting perspective, and I want to bring this on so a lot of more people can kind of hear about this. You you have just made the comment about, you know, save yourself and then save other people, and so, um, let's dive into that. Before we do, maybe just kind of give us a quick rundown. Um, you're you're hot on the scene. Where'd you come from and what are you doing well? Um?
I have been a model for about a decade now, live live in Hollywood, do production all the time. Different roles in Hollywood. So so that's been fun. But then the shutdowns came, so that's interrupted my life a little bit, a little a lot of it for sure. But you know, did did some magazines, notably Playboy, f HM, maxim those types of publications. So now just sort of carrying my brand forward, trying to adapt to a new world that's interest in you know, n F T s. And of
course A bought bitcoin about two weeks ago. So I found your videos like three months ago, and you all you offered some hope for the despair that I felt about um changes in our country, in our world. So um, I wanted to give bitcoin a chance because it's one thing that's felt productive to me moving forward because everything else, the understanding the reality of what's happening, brought me a
lot of depressions. So bitcoin was the first thing that felt productive that I could have done about it, and I felt like I was doing anything that was constructive for myself at all. So yeah, so what I want to dig into that because I want to tell that story. But yeah, so you got in about two weeks ago. I think you used my ref link with Swan, so Swan Bitcoin and myself. We got you. We orange pilled
you will say that. But so you know, you kind of have this story where you kind of had, like, as you said, like the Tale of two mothers, right, so you kind of had this worldview that might have changed maybe where you had, like I hate to put labels on things, but hey, just a real quick interruption to let you know that this video is brought to
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started to see things differently. Now, Um, you've said something before that like, Um, once you see these things, you can't un see them. Like what started to change? Was it like the lockdowns that then started having you see different things? Or like what was the things that you've seen that you can't unsee? Yes, I was very much
a team liberal for all of my voting life. Um, there were I always had an open ear to what conservatives said about the problems with liberalism, but I hadn't lived long enough to see them enacted in the world to understand the problems with things like too much regulation from the government or just just too big of government in general. But the shutdowns in l A really made me see that UM is somebody that worked in the gig economy space, UM for freelance production in Hollywood. Um
it halted. It halted my income entirely, with no opportunity, no explanation, And here we are a year later, it's the same situation. So it's it was a shock. It was a shock to see everything that the other side had told me about and then I got to see it then that they were turning people's waters water off, and power if they were having guess at their house, and just just definitely all the problems with government overreach.
I got to see it front row. Yeah. I don't think you said, are we talked about, but I mean you're in Los Angeles. So my my previous home state in California, and uh, and we were kind of talking about offline. I mean California was kind of ground zero, right, so in l A. I mean maybe not the worst place. I mean maybe New York City might have been worse, but l A has been pretty bad. So that's kind of what you're talking about, people getting their power turned
off for having people at their house or something. Right. Yeah, and there's been three times, you know, marches for various causes outside the door, and you don't really necessarily want to be front, front and center for all this stuff, but but it is accelerated, changing me more than other states and other people that I think would be less effective other than New York. Like you said, yeah, so it happened to me quickly, but I think it will happen to more Americans over time when they see the
consequences of these changes. Yeah, so then you start to see like the government overreach and you start to see you know, as you said, like shutting, locking people down, turning off their power, um, taking away their ability to earn money, things like that. Um. And then I could see that you were starting to get like pretty unhappy voicing that that that anger. Um. But then like what do you do about it? Right? So then like you see all the problems, but the political system is way
too big? What are you gonna do about it? Um? And I think maybe I guess what what was your what were thoughts there? At some point you said that like my video started to bring a little bit of hope. But I guess before that, like we're you just thinking like, man, this system is just so big, there's no way to change this. What am I gonna do? I'm just gonna talk about it, or or you just had no hope. I guess well, I I pretty much immediately I started
speaking out about it, and um, UM. If anybody's observed this, they'll they'll know when when you are a liberal and you have a diverging opinion, you get spit out of the machine really quickly. You know. Um, so I got to experience what that was like loose some friends, lose some family, lose some you know, clients, that type of thing. But at the same time, we come from a country of free speech, you know, and so I didn't. So that accelerated the understanding of what you know, cancel culture
was and why I am for rejecting that. So I'm I did about the opportunity going forward to have an economy where we don't do that to each other. If mainstream is going to do that, then we look out for each other because we do support free speech. So um, bitcoin was another opportunity to implement that and feel productive about what what I was doing. So yeah, yeah, Like
what the heck happened? Right? Like we used to be able to like talk about things like be open, especially being in Hollywood, I mean, and you can't talk about anything that might be deemed conservative or against that that liberal mindsets. Crazy how things and how fast things have shifted like that. Well, and so many people have messaged me behind the scenes and said, hey, I work in Hollywood.
I agree with you, but I'm not allowed to diverge from the mainstream opinion in this way without you know, serious consequences. So I decided that was all crazy, and so I doubled down more on you know, saying what I believe is true and obvious to a lot of people. They just are willing to have the backbone. So if I might not have a lot of sense, but I got a lot of backbones, So well that's good. You make up for a backbone. It's been crazy, um to see how fast like those even like you said, friends
and whatnot, family relationships can dissolve. Um, I guess COVID has been an accelerant on everything. And uh, I mean down in Orange County where I'm at, I mean, you know, still pretty conservative group, but so many of my good friends and stuff like, we just just don't see eye to eye anymore. And it's been it's been been pretty bad. But um, but that does make new opportunity to make
a new community, which has been rewarding. Yeah, really fast, a bit cooin community is really welcoming and they're making they're making, uh they're making videos of me, you know, with laser eyes and all that kind of art. So super fun. So, UM, I guess what were some of the things, um, that were really bothering you? The most. I mean, was it like not being able to work?
Was it like this cancel culture? Was it like the school system like or the things that I guess maybe had you the most worried if if you can think back on that, well, turning off my ability to work at the wave of the hand, Like I never thought. I thought that the government was there to just protect your constitutional rights so you could help yourself. But I never expected them to be the barrier to actually meet. Like it wasn't this virus, it was their response to it.
So it was very concerning to me that they could just stop the flow of the machine of you know, just international travel, everything that comes through l A and um, everything with production just requiring a you know, a well oiled machine that rolls. So I got to see how just throwing one rock in that with that was like in the years of being productive. Um. The reason why I asked that is because I you know, I've seen
you posting all the stuff off in this anger. Uh I hate to say anger, but you know, disillusionment Okay, anger, uh, disillusionment, whatever you wanna call it. And so yeah, a couple of weeks ago or maybe a month ago, I'm like Jessica, like, what about bitcoin? Have you taken a look at it? Right? Maybe should come over here? And your comment was your reply was that, um, I'm not into finance, I'm not into money and and and that's a typical response. Um,
and that's and that's fine. But the reason why I was asking kind of like what the problems were that you were seeing is because I believe, like almost like if you had like this giant oak tree with like thousands of leaves on it, and every leave is a problem, Every leave is a problem that we might have, and we can discuss each lead by leave, but at the bottom, at the root is the money. And so like, if we can fix the money, all those problems on all
those leaves can go away. Um and so um so so so you jumped in and now I guess are you starting to see that? And I want to see that some of these problems that you're seeing, so like the government their overreach, like they're too big. So if we could defund them some, if we could pull back their ability to print money, then we can limit their overreach. Right, that'd be like that'd be one example. Um, you that was brilliant. I love it. Limit government I'll vote for you.
Yeah right, Well, yeah, that's the thing, like libertarians never want to take over the world, and so they're not motivated in the same way, so they can't get the same traction. And it's there. There does seem to be a lot of solutions that are just out of the grip of immediate reach. Um. But to solve the problems we can at least opting into a monetary solution seems sensible to me. It seemed well within my reach. So
you told me on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know what, I've been super excited about just i mean really well for a long time, but really things are starting to happen pretty quickly here, and it's like the political system is captured, right, Like trying to change that, trying to fix that at this point is probably never gonna happen. Trying to fix the education system, try to fix the health system, like, none of that is gonna
is gonna happen. But well, well, it's aggressively going in the opposite direction of solutions that you and I might think would be the obvious way to move forward. They're going the opposite direction, so that you know, compounded my frustrations yeah, and it's like what do we do about that? Like, I mean, the school system, I mean, it's just so far gone at this point. And and one of the things I noticed is that, you know, as they've tried to build it up, centralize it, and they tried to
scale it, their interests actually go against what our interests are. Um. And so what we can do is we can just Okay, go ahead, go have that system. We'll just come over here and just build our own system over here, like never mind us, We'll just go create a new money system. Yeah, and then off that new money system, we can create a new education system, and we'll create a new health system over here. Um and uh. And and that that
gives me hope. Right, So you kind of look at things like the world has been moving to this totalitarian system for a long time, right, that that's the trend. And you know, China has their social credit system and all of that going on, which I know you're aware of. And that's like the trend. And like what breaks that trend? At what point did the government wake up and go, ah, we have too much power, why don't we give us
little bit of freedom back? You know? Yeah, there it's the culmination of all their dreams over all the years, you know, right now, so kind of spooky, yeah, exactly right. So like what point do they just wake up and decide to give it back to you? Right? So I don't think they do, uh in my opinion, Um, what
breaks that is is competition. And so um, just like I left California and a lot of other people have left California, They've gone to Texas and now the governor is being recalled maybe hopefully we'll see he'll see how that goes, right, But you know, Californians realized, like, shoot, if we don't make a change, like we're going to be dead in the wall here. And um, eventually we'll get governments competing for us. And I think that's what bitcoin enables. So so you're new to bitcoin, Um, you
swan bitcoin? Um? And uh, tell me about your experience like being on board, because I didn't really help you out with that much too much, right, I just said, hey, you should think about buying bitcoin, and you did. You jumped in. How's that experience been? Pretty straightforward? I don't understand a lot of things, you know, hot storage and cold storage and all these things, But but I like
in UM intellectual endeavors. It's fun to learn it. Since I have all this newfound time UM entering into something, it's it almost feels more interesting to me that I have no real financial understanding of old world stuff, because now I don't have to at least have to overcome
old ideas. It's the best. But I can learn bitcoin and everything because it's such a popular topic now, and luckily there's educators like yourself that are trying to help people wrap their head around a lot of these things. So UM it hasn't been too overwhelming, and I don't think necessarily don't participate. You have to know everything right away, So I mean, I think to your point, it's perfect. I mean, the more educated you are in the financial system,
almost the harder time you have seen it, right. And that's why you see some of the biggest and best known investors like Ray Dalio just like I can't get my head around this because he's just he's so ingrained in the system that's completely false and fake that he can't see any other way. Well, people like him are still advantageous in the process of me having not having any financial understanding to to grow from UM, but to teach people people that teach you the cash is trash.
At least that's at least the streamlined understanding that that we all have. So but it seems like people's solutions to the problem are just different. Um. You know, a lot of people still doubling down on precious metals and making a case for that. But it doesn't mean that they're not educating big future bitcoiners in the process to tell you why fiad is terrible. Yeah, and that's a good point, and I've made that case several times. I became a gold bug in like two thousand eight after
the Great Financial Crash. Then I realized it wasn't so much a goldbug. I was more of a sound money advocate. And bitcoin is just a better form of sound money. So they are fighting that same battle and they're both doing the same education. Hey, just another quick interruption to let you know that this video it's brought to you
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I respect you're right to say it. I have a right not to listen to it, right, But they believe that UM words are violence, so by you saying something they don't like, they consider that violence. Now, I know you're an m M A fan. I've done martial arts most of my life. I've trained, we're we're of the variety that you know, even violence isn't really violence. So I might be too far the other direction on that to think that words are violence. But yeah, I saw
that one of them are mixed martial artists. UM Israel Outisania lost a BMW deal because he made some comment, you know, in just general ship talking to another fighter. He made some rape comment like oh I'd rape you. That's something something like that that just meant totally down and ate you in this situation hypothetically any loss his
BMW endorsement for that. Wow. I don't know people, and I've seen like on these college campuses where they think it's like violence, like and so if you say things to me that I don't like, I have the right to defend myself, which means beating you up. Like that's like it's pretty wacko. But I think about it like, um, you know, like a lion, I mean any animal, right, Like you take a lion, a proud lion in the jungle,
and um, it's a rough life for them. I mean they're the king of the jungle, but they gotta fight other lions. They may go weeks without eating if ever, right, I mean it's a tough life for them. Um, but they're free. But you could put them in a cage and you could give them their antibiotics and you can give them their one meal a day and they'll be safe. But they live in a cage and want they but they live in a cage. Right. The problem is is once a lion lives in a cage, you can't put
them back into the wild. And so that's kind of where we're at. We have like all these people, not that they are all lions, but I mean they can't just live back in the wild anymore. But, um, something is super interesting that you'd be I'm gonna do a video on it. So you can wait to do the video on it. But there's a book called The Fourth Turning. Have you ever heard of that? No, So everything in life has like cycles. So like this, we have like summer, winter,
springfall kind of thing. Um, And so markets are meant to go up and down, seasons go up and down, things change, right. Um, what the government wants is no bad things to happen, so we have to make everything flat. But like, you don't know joy without pain, right, you
don't know joys. The whole argument to not take antidepressants unless you're literally going to kill yourself tomorrow if we don't stop this, because you know, they want to stabilize your mood, but you just to avoid feeling down here, you can't feel yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. You have to feel bad sometimes without feeling and so and I think part of that to that, to that point, you have to you have to know that it's okay to
feel bad sometimes. Um. That's one thing about you know, taking drugs all the time is like I remember when when ecstasy was really really big a long time ago, and it's like every day shouldn't be the best day of your life, Like it's not supposed spect that anyway. Yeah, you definitely interfere with your own um momentum that the signals of life or your feelings are just a thermometer about what's happening. Dole and numb and and otherwise imperil
those things. How are you really getting the signals that you're supposed to be getting to know that it's time to change or get away from this person or grow in this direction. Yeah, exactly. So we have like these like natural laws of the universe. I talked about one earlier, like deflation versus the fete is trying to cause inflation, right, But like, um, we have these natural cycles and so um you can look back through history and see these cycles.
And one of them, there's like this ninety year cycle and every ninety years it repeats. It's called the fourth turning. So basically you might have heard this one before where it's like hard times bring good men, good men, bring good times. Good times bring weak men, weak men, bring bad times, bad times, bring good men, right, and it's a cycle. That's the that's the fourth time we have entered into the soft. Now all the men are very soft. So yes, I mean they're taking there. I mean they're
trying to get rid of masculine and altogether. You know, well, in China they're not doing that. That's one thing that they don't broadcast. But in China, yeah, yeah, they're not weakening the they're not softening their men and normalizing a lot of things that they're trying to normalize. Here they're witnessing all that. They're like, look, they're going to destroy
America is going to destroy itself. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, um, what's interesting about that is, um, you know, another natural law is that you have to sew before you can reap, right, you have to you have to produce before you can consume. Like that's a natural law. What happens is in that fourth turning is you have this whole group of people that that were so good, they created so much wealth that then you have a whole another generation that's able
to live off of that without ever producing anything. So we have the whole generation of people who have never had to create, never had to produce, and they just think that's normal. They feel entitled to the labors of other people. Yeah, so we know how that ends. And unfortunately, um, things aren't looking real good. But on the other side of it, there's hope. So I mean, it's the it's depressid and all, but yeah, there's a big I feel it.
I certainly just want as much as I love l a like, I just want a way from people that think this way because it's it's scary when you think about it, if you extrapolated out to the worst situations that aren't all that uncommon, like go back to Kansas. No, I don't see myself doing that'll do conservative. But if this we're going to be a shorter period time, the fact that it's also already been a year and it's only getting worse and they're going to do more of it.
Like I just I want to go be around people that understand why you have your first Amendment and why you have your second Amendment, just basic things. I thought that we all shared. I thought that we all shared these values, but it comes to find out, Um, we don't. Yeah, so that's why I don't want to be especially not in Hollywood. Yeah. And I was hearing someone side the other day and they were saying, how like, Um, I
love like America, but I love the American values. Right, So the values that made America what it is today, the values that made America great, Like, that's what I love. Um, I don't love the America that's it's becoming. Right. The values are are also the responsibilities that come with with the rights. And everybody wants to talk about the rights, but not enough about the responsibilities that have to come
with that. That's the rub. That's the rub. People want the freedom, but they don't want the responsibility that comes with it. Yeah. I want the freedom to go do whatever I want, but I don't want to have to bear the consequences of what happens. Right, And that's just that's just a child world view. It's not it's not that it's so bad. It's just that, you know, you're just idealistic, right, But it these things that work in
the real world. And I think what they've done with this victim culture right where it's like you can't get ahead, Jessica because you're a female, or you can't get ahead because you're female in a minority, you can't get ahead because you're a female, a minority and gay, and you know, and it's like like this race to the bottom right, this identity politics. Um. But if they can make you feel like you can't get ahead because of whatever problems you have, then you need a savior right now. You
need a savior. So you can't get ahead, But don't worry. We're gonna come in and we're gonna save you. And then you become even more dependent almost, yeah, exactly. Um. And you know, I guess that's one thing that I love so much about fight culture is is that nobody's a victim, Like you have to like to fight for your life, fight for your freedom. Everybody fights for something. So it's analogist to all of life. The fight game
for me, what's up with the game in you? Uh, it's just it just um reaches in a primal place in me. I suppose. I don't know. I was working on doing sports media and the journalism side of it and all that before the shutdowns, came. I did like all of Fame inductions and rank camera for some of that. So yeah, so I I um was working in this space doing some podcasting and stuff like I wish I
suppose I could. I could pick back up a podcasting in the way that like I would sit with a journalist friend and he'd be like, so, what do you think is gonna happen with this match and stuff like that in person in the same room. So this isn't as fun, but it's better than nothing. Since since everything in the fight world like slammed to a screeching halt. I saw that Dane White's gonna do an event in Florida that sold out in a matter of days. So big,
did you see? I had Kenny Florian on. Yes, that's yeah. I um, I didn't twice. I've had him on now. He had him on like a year and a half ago. Uh, he was like a big fan. I was like surprised. I was like, what, I'm fan, Like, let's let's have you on. He's super smart man. Yeah, he really gets it. Well, um, yeah, that's about all I got. That's the questions I have. Of course, Uh, we're excited to see your journey into
it and see you participate. Um, I know you're a writer, and we could tell right you're you're pretty eloquent with your words. Um yeah, I just do my videos because I don't have those that those bigger words. But uh but it's good stuff, all right. Well, um I guess with that, we'll go ahead and wrap it up. And uh and thanks for joining us. Oh thanks for having me, all right y