Episode 8: Wanting To Hurt Stuff

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Were there any other injuries of love there were? And can you describe these wounds?

There were puncture wounds and cuts.

Was there anything about the pattern of these injuries that would indicate that type of weapon used?

Insized wounds are caused most obviously by knives, but are also caused by well, scissors and even blunter instruments like screwdrivers. These type wounds have certain They're usually slit like, but when the object is removed or pulled from the flesh, the skin contracts, leaving a wound that is slightly shorter than the blade width. Also, the center wound often widens a bit. Scissors stab wounds with closed scissors leave a Z shape like the ones found on these victims.

Yes, so scissors like this pair here found in James Pincher's house would certainly cause such injuries.

Ejection, your honor.

The expert is here to testify to factual matters.

Questions presented do not presuppose or suggests the answer.

Your honor. We are only asking the expert's opinion.

Here overruled.

Can the prosecution please rephrase the question in your expert opinion? Could scissors like these found in the home with the choosed all such injuries?

Yes, August tenth, it's almost midnight. I'm at Denis Place. I remember going to Solomon Smith's place. I remember getting out of my car and walking around his house. I remember strange, dear, and that's it.

That's it.

Next thing I know, I'm sitting in a jail cell duly arrested me for arson, But anyone could tell that they were just trying to hold me in place while they figured out all the short of details of how it happened, how the house burned down. They had nothing to go on. I called Joe Campbell and she called the Blanc.

Made veil your stuff. Thanks, you got everything I believe, so you're freety, go mister Sauce, mister lebloc.

Look, I'm really sorry for all the trouble.

I don't know what happened exactly.

I was just trying to find out more about what Solomon Smith.

Yeah, let's not overthink it. There's a lot happening and emotions are all on high.

How much was my veil?

Don't worry about that right now. Pulled a few strings, I was able to get it considerably reduced. You will have to come back for an arrangement, okay, But the important thing is that you're all right. I want you to get some rest. You and insisted you stay with her tonight. But between us, I think it would be best for you not to overstay.

You're welcome.

We need her calm and collected right now. We don't need her playing hostess this week. Of course, she's outside. You ride with her, and I'm gonna meet you all over there and every group in a bit after I take care of some court documents. I still need your signature, though, right I'm afraid we're out of time for any changes. But this clearly states that your two thousand and seven testimony was false.

And Julian.

They found Tyler Wilson were on Griff Washington's property. Apparently he had some homemade explosives. We think he was trying to blow up the entrance to the cave.

Is he he's dead?

The piece of.

Dom to you, the true blood, like the suit.

To leave behind.

They were about to press charges, but it was Dinah retaliated. The DNA test proven Deacon was the father of her own born child. She rebunded with a proof of the Happy Boy's own guilt if any legal moves were made against her brother, and so she created a stalemate.

If her brother was going to.

Jail, so were Bobby Hadley's sons. And if Bobby would back down, she'd keep the right out of the papers and no one would ever know about it.

Somebody scream like, hell no, we'll see by Luke.

When you.

Totally I'm telling you that's no pluck, not run around feel get your hand right.

They can't.

We'll be held against you in a court of law, don't mocker.

Dina, I'm so sorry you keep saying that. Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Jesus? Could you believe this?

Say the first time I've been to the shriff station today, Julian. They also arrested my son last night.

Oh no, Dina, on you're what.

Oh wait, let me guess you're sorry. He snuck out again and they caught him smashing windows at Carter High School. What excellent question. All he said was it wasn't his idea, said his friends told him to do it.

Well, that's the fucking thing, Julian.

I don't know who Jimmy's friends are, which is why I'm so fucking troubled. And also I heard about Tyler. I know he was your friend. So now I guess it's my turn to say it. I'm sorry, Julia.

Yeah, well I don't know what to think.

How about we just be quiet?

Sure you can't ever escape it, Dina was riding.

This town is like purgatory for her, most of all a series of winding pass all leading the dead hands unbreakable cycles. The poor stay poor, the rich day rich, the victims stay victimized. She might have made it out a long time ago, if it hadn't a been for what happened. I found this yearbook on the table here in Dena's house, caught her high class of seven.

We were babies.

I've forgotten how long my hair was. That finch was in there, his eyes like that of a child. During the war, and Tyler with his mullet and shit eating grin, looking authentically tough. I flipped past his picture before getting lost in thought, I'm not yet ready to deal with the idea that he's no longer here. Then I saw Dina's picture, maybe the last picture taken of her previous self, last image from across the border and time and space that separates what she is now from who.

She could have been. Now.

She's a single mom with a shit job, working her ass off to support her delinquente son, Jimmy, no family, no support in a town that scorns her, all for the slim hope that she can somehow right all the wrongs that she herself never committed, Long hours on her feet, bagging groceries for people who whisper behind her back, just to pay the rent on a rickety shthole house at the edge of town, Her child unclaimed by his paternal family, who, with the stroke of a pen could cast light into

A beast, get the hell out of Potsville for crass sakes.

I guess when you're alone in the world, running away to some other part of it doesn't really change much.

Probably a little clutter.

So oh, seriously, don't worry about it.

Jimmy, Caroline, Hey, miss Fincher, is is everything?

Okay? Where's Jimmy?

He's in his room.

How was a lesson?

He wouldn't come out. What do you mean he locked himself in his room and wouldn't let me in either.

He called me some nasty things, well things, It's okay.

I don't want to talk about it, so there was no lesson.

I tried to call you.

I'm sorry, Caroline. I don't know what's gotten into him.

Well, if I may say so, I think it's his friends.

Friends.

He keeps talking about them, says they told him to call me.

What he called me were other kids over today?

No, I maybe his high school friends. I don't I have to go home.

Now, let me just.

Thirty Okay, it's okay.

Like I said, there was no lesson.

So that's not your fault, though, please take it.

I'm sorry, Miss Fincher. I think this is gonna need to be my last session.

Wait, what what did he say? To you.

It wasn't that. It's before he went to his room.

He was.

Inappropriate. He he touched me, groped me.

Oh my god, Caroline, I don't know what to say.

Sorry, I need to go.

God damn it.

James Morgan Fincher get out here. Now, you mind brewing some coffee filters above the coffee maker grounds or in that jar. Joe and Ed are gonna be here any minute, Jimmy, I swear to God.

What the fuck'll comment?

God?

I tried not to listen in but that's when I noticed the yearbook on the table.

I picked it up in some truck.

Did you ever lock the door again?

I'll take it off the fucking hinges? Now look at me, brook me in the eye. What what did you do?

Nothing?

What the hell happened with Caroline?

Jimmy, what happened?

Said? Nothing?

Did you touch her?

They made me do it? Who made you do what? It tacked me? Had to tell her she was nothing but a fat breader. I'm sorry what I didn't.

Want to say? Why did you?

Because I damned me?

You called me a pussy?

They said that was gonna hurt my burn?

Who?

Who?

Jimmy?

Shots?

What times are these boys from your school? No, then, boo, it's none of your damn business. You are mistaken about that? Who God's from a cane?

Wait?

What what did you just say? I told you to never ever ever go there? Have you been going there?

Jimmy?

No, I didn't go there.

They're just from there, Jimmy, we are and I've done with this conversation. You are grounded in definitely.

No video games, no TV, and don't forget the feet and start to give the dog as medicine.

Hey, Dina, I'm fine to find another hotel.

Standing here is too much.

What's that?

Oh?

I saw this lying on the table with you're old year book.

I figured it was yours or finches.

No, my, mone come on in hope.

The driver wasn't too bad for you.

Ran some weather near Johnson City, But that's to be expected this time of.

Year, ain't Julian.

We were worried about.

Who the hell can that?

We expecting any more surprise guests?

There know nothing I know of? Can I help you? Comm well?

Who is it?

Jesus Christ?

Bobby Hadley, Hey, folks, this is Bobby Hadley of Hadley Pontiac Chevrolet.

And if there's one thing I know, it's the importance of family. With my dad had Big Bobby first open Hadley Pontiac Chevrolet. He had one goal in mind to give you and your family a safe, reliable ride home, had a fair price. We've carried on that family tradition. Isn't that right, honey, that's right baby.

This month we're running a special on these gorgeous family bands to take your kids to school or to camp out during summer break.

Oh you got something to add, Thomas, just as the prices are out of this world. Good job, son, Hey Diacon, ain't you got something to say?

Adlee bonniec Chevrolet e't a family.

I don't know how Bobby had. They couldn't have known he was raising monsters.

They're checking, but.

There's a kind of benign neglect that leads to malignancy. Being't too soft to parent, leaving children to their own devices can make them into monsters.

Well, and not be such a pussy.

I'm just messing with you.

Bobby and Mona were soft parents. Bobby busy with the dealership, Mona with her wine and the Women's Club of Pottsville.

The boys did as they pleased, and.

We all know how that ended.

At any rate.

After the Hathley brothers were found murdered at the mouth of the cave, Bobby Havley went underground for a little to mourn.

His whole future wiped away.

Mona dealt with the loss differently. She left a week after the funeral, took half of their savings with her. As the story goes, maybe she couldn't stand all the ghosts. Bobby slowly returned to his business over the course of months, still made it to church Sundays, still went to the occasional town hall meeting, but he wasn't the same thinner, less joe, feel less, brash, just less, a man who had everything except the thing they counted. I know he

A wall of denial, and he kept his distance.

Until Jesus Christ.

Bobby Hadley Deputy Campbell.

It's just miss Campbell.

Now, mister Hadley, can you remember Julian Solace from the trial alsoome, Oh well I am, and this is James's defense attorney, mister the blank, you remember my brother, James Fincher.

Let's see here to support our kids.

Uh no, I'm here to talk to miss Fincher Dina about what about the.

About the boy, about Jimmy.

Uh yeah, I was connor.

Let me get you some coffee.

Ok, okay, we.

Have sugar bowl.

We're out of milk.

Oh no, just black, thank you.

Dina went for the coffee and left Bobby standing there, sweat forming on his brow, his face red, struggling to Breathe normally staring at the pictures on the wall and on the mantel, pictures a little Jimmy in his baseball uniform, Pictures of James Fincher too, from when he was a boy. I could see the wheel spinning behind his eyes. Maybe the first time he'd ever considered either of those people, James Fincher or his grandson Jimmy, as actual human beings.

Here you go.

What you got there the box?

Oh, it's just some family stuff for your son, for Jimmy, in case you in case you want him to know about the other side of his family, maybe we should step outside.

No, you can say, everybody stay. What would you want him to know about the other side of his family, mister Hadley.

Well, I just I thought, I thought, why are.

You showing up right now here at my house?

I just can I put the box down? Go on, Miss Spencer. I didn't mean to intrude. I mean, I didn't have your number, but I've been thinking about well, the past and the future, and I've been thinking about all that for a very long time now, and well, I didn't know. I didn't know whether I should ever try to contact you, or if you'd even well, you'd

Jesus Christ, cigarette break anybody. Dina went through the box immediately.

Wanna beer, I don't know whiskey.

Yes, you don't have to watch the tapes, of course I do.

Why do you think I'm offering you booze.

Huh, you're gonna consider letting them in?

I don't know.

On one hand, that family always seemed drawn to the core. On the other, it's an escape plan.

He could go to college, he could get the fuck out of here. Yeah, come, old James, think if I did let him in.

I feel like you do understand, Dina, I really do.

Well the courage Dan.

Here.

The videotapes were just what you'd think old family movies or with the people you hate most in the world Thomas and d can plain t ball, cub Scout.

Pine with derbies.

I watched Dina watch these boys at first with a cold glare and then an intense sort of curiosity, and then I fell asleep.

Okay, okay, now do the people.

Julian wake up?

I'm up.

I'm up, I'm up.

Hey, hey, hey, you fell asleep in front of the TV.

Well so I did.

Sorry, it's a whiskey.

Why don't you guy splash some water on your face and I'll finish up dinner.

That sounds good.

Yeah, thanks.

A little fucking monstership.

That's right.

You're thinking we were born bad? All right?

I mean that's out the old man things. He thinks he made us monsters want the fuck.

Right.

Then the lightning strunk a transformer outside of Tina's house and the power went out.

Fuck.

I moved to the window and saw the fog was back, along with hundreds of screeching bats flapping by the window. And minute, hey mm, put in the mailbox.

Oh shit, alright.

The bottles up.

Except for the TV. That is, the images of young Thomas and Deacon still flickering across the screen.

I mean that try the best, I guess, but there's only so much you can do outside influences and all.

I ain't shit.

My earliest memories are wanting to hurt stuff. I guess you can turn that out of a kid.

If you work hard enough.

It's called a beautiful Leacon.

Yeah, Jimmy, you'll okay.

I think a transformer bloo man.

She seems to be trying her best. But that kid in the other room.

He's got in his blood.

He had no problem calling that fat bitch babysitter of his What she was, yny.

What the fuck are you talking about?

That's true?

True?

Oh all right, fucking now he's learning anatomy on.

That little bird. It's too late to stop him. The boy isn't quite right.

In the head.

Neither were we there it is.

He's a trouble now.

Jny, do you know everything?

Okay, Duday, you know you all right?

It was too late for the bird. Apparently Jimmy had used a paris so and scissors to biseck the poor creature.

The ghost in a mirror, and the hounds of Hell Dancing in your.

Dancing in.

The Manawalk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sawas, Eddie Gatheggi as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith, Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson, Jill Jane Clements as Jill can Hambell, Brad Carter as Dooleye Tappert, Scott Poythrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Dena Fincher, Justin Matthew Smith as Paul Sallace, Tara Oakes as Laura Sallas, Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovitch

And David Chen.

Sound design by Benjamin Malcolm, Additional sound design by Alexander Rodriguez, Dialogue editing and sound mixing by Juan Campos. Recorded at Studio Awesome in Los Angeles, sound Byte Studio in Atlanta, and Echo Mountain in Ashville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon. Our dialect coach is Linda Bessesti, Assistant director Michael Monty, second assistant director, script supervisor and production

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