The Magic Live Debrief #182

They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 182 of the Magic Guys, where we share our experience as professional magicians and all the whimsicalness that goes with it. Up to my diagonal right, we have Nick Kay. I was at Magic Live, bitches. And up to my diagonal left, we have Doug Kahn. I've been glued to Nick K's social media for the last five days, watching him be at Magic Live.

Yes, as I think we all have in our live chat right now, if you're watching this. Thomas Conger, holy crapola. That might be a new tagline. I like it. And we've got Scott Pease. Oh, he's changing from Scotty P to Scott P. I like the nuance there. He's pro now. He's got to have that pro. That's right. You do a gig. Just how Colin Cloud went from Colin McCloud to Colin Cloud. Now we've got Scott P. I like it. We've got Fahrenheit.

Clever name. Clever name, my friend. And Dragotea. Look, the list goes on. We're just, I mean, actually that is the end of the list, but Dave Nicholson. What's up? Yes. Magic Live, the dream one day. Well, there is one man who lived that dream and he went to that live magic. Good to have you back, Nick. Nick, how are you feeling? It's good to be back, man.

A lot of people have been asking how is the jet lag and so forth, but the reality is that when I go to Vegas, I never truly adapt to the native time. I basically run on Melbourne time the entire time I'm there. Oh. I never go to bed before 4 a.m., just hanging out and jamming. I sleep three or four hours. I go to a morning session, and I'll tell you guys all about that experience. Okay.

As it goes along but first how are you guys i missed you i'm sad i've been depressed all week looking at your social media that i wasn't in vegas with all the cool stuff i'm not fully mentally well today it's not just your fault but if i don't make it to magic live next year i know this i'm not turning facebook on the whole damn week i don't need to see the pain well i can i can highly recommend it man like it was so great and you're

among such good company the entire time you're there it's like walking into the internet almost you know what i mean like it's it's really wonderful it's like a live instagram feed except they're really there that's a cool way to think about it holy moly well you'll be glad to know we we held the fort while you were gone nick we did an episode and we played your voicemail that you left us thank you for that showing off all of the already cool people you'd met before magic live

had started i gotta ask well you know I'm sure you're going to tell us a lot about a lot, but did you have much of an interaction with Dan White? He's someone I've always wanted to meet and never been anywhere near. Only in passing. He's a very kind guy, just very quiet by nature, but he was typically three or four people deep in conversation. He was surrounded by Danny Garcia most of the time, Peter Turner, mentalist Peter Turner was also there. Just hogging the Dan White.

Yeah. And it's, it's to be expected. And I'm not somebody who likes to fight for attention. You know what I mean? I, I look, I'm very opportune in the moments I have to talk to people and I ask if it's an appropriate time to do that just respectfully.

And I can tell you what those interactions were like. black and then you know and then after you say hello to them do you say now do you want to see my coin stuff my card stuff or my award-winning stuff uh and well you know i also sorry before you take off as well you know who your your connection would have been to to meet them like was um dennis kim said he was there at magic live and is shocked that he didn't run into you so didn't see him did not see him anywhere i can't understand

that happened like i mean there's 1500 hundred magicians there right do you feel you saw everyone there yeah now actually it says here andy uh we did meet so i was fortunate enough to meet nick gay so i was catching the elevator out that morning and andy was like hey i'm like yeah he's like you used to be in a band.

Yeah when you proceeded to do shots in the elevator vayner excellent that was great it was really great so look i'll tell you what i was there for several days prior but i'll mention what what my adventures were like if you guys are up for it because it was something kind of special what happened whilst i was there now penn and teller whilst touring australia and especially in melbourne i had the pleasure of setting up a friendship with teller lovely lovely fellow that he is so i dropped him

a line that i was in town while I was prior to Magic Live. And he kindly invited me over to his home. And so we went to his home, a very secret destination, heavily guarded and heavily fortified. And he invited both myself and my business partner, Nathan Hedger, to hang out with him. And his home was such an experience in itself, right? It was wonderful. It was very welcoming. He's very kind.

And it's very eclectic. He's got a home where almost every wall has next to no space because it's all just compassed with photos and just magic memorabilia and signed things.

Yeah, his house, indeed, his actual home. he was kind enough to invite us over and we had some cornbread with custard and blueberries and some hibiscus tea and so we had a very very fun you know fancy fun time and i can go into to the details about it but in truth it's almost very difficult to recreate what his home is like because it's built like a maze and it is just secret room upon secret room upon secret room to get in and out

of everything you know hilarious like hilariously there was a table that he had They kind of expanded to make it like an eight seat table. And beneath it was a, was a skeleton. And as you extend the table, the table screams in pain and the skeleton. And, and then he was like, Oh, hang on a second. This is, it's just the three of us having tea, right? You can probably make it smaller. And then I, I it's like a giant wheelhouse, like from like a boat.

And I start to unwind it to, and it's going, Oh, it's better.

Like just, you know, alleviate in that. So we're having tea in his kitchen and it's just, surrounded by all of this memorabilia from his time at the on the big bang theory and also he's a very big simpsons fan and so you know we had out we had our tea and we cleaned up for the evening we grabbed our teas and we we sort of pressed on to the library and you know he's like this is some of the library and as we're sort of going through the

books and he's showing us everything he's like oh and naturally bang he pulls a book and then the library opens into his oh wow come on so we then enter into his office and we're sitting around a round table and he's just sharing.

Stories upon stories about history and it it's such a privilege to to get into i think i have goosebumps right now just for the record yeah it doesn't get much better than that right it doesn't it doesn't like you're sitting in the man's home where he creates in his office and you know i was asking questions about and we were talking about like the you know the indian mango trick and how he saw it for the first time and how it's done and other experiences and we're

talking about all these different methods to make pot plants and things appear and one of the most amazing bits was he goes what would happen is because he knew the history so well he was like they would they would play this song and he would leap out of his chair and go to his computer and he would play the song and then run back to the table and describe what was happening. And, and, and, and as he's doing this, like he's, he's so in it.

And he explained what it was like when he first saw it, you know what I mean? And, and, and as he's doing this, like he's got tears coming out of his eyes. What? As he's telling the story, like he's just reliving that moment. And he's sharing it with us, you know, he's sharing so much. There was this giant crucifix in the, in, in, in the office. And in that office was like, it was basically a piece of memorabilia that the Houdini had used.

And it was a means of sort of escaping from that. And I won't get into like the secrets within that, but it was really, really cool. And what was even cooler was that he was explaining that, you know, he stayed with some friends and he was working on the cups and balls while I was quite young.

And he was like, oh, I was just working on cups and balls. was like what do you take those cups there in this blue bag and it was like i've been practicing with those those were the cups that belonged to hoffs and sir oh my god come on yeah and then and then he's like here they are and he puts them on the table and i'm literally handling hoffs and sir's cups you know it's staggering doug there was a gentleman and and i'm trying to recall his name i was i was racking my

brain but with the the lack of sleep i've had over the several week or so i can't recall but there was a gentleman who who who basically had this routine a lot of beautiful routines using cards coins whatever else he also did a thing with the kettle where you would listen to a kettle do you know this gentleman i'm talking about is don something perhaps from from the past or a modern performer yes the talking tea kettle who Who did that trick? Hmm.

Well, we're talking about the mythology of this person and how his works would have got lost to time and how Teller basically saved this guy's works. You know, they went back to this home where, like, it had been sold on and the new family that were there, it was like, you know, we were looking to do some history on this particular magician. And I'm so regretful. I can't remember who it is because I didn't know who he was, but he shared this. David Abbott?

David Abbott. it. Thank you. Yeah. I Googled it up. So there we go. I'm pretty good with the sleight of hand references, but you give me some actual magic history from like that. I'm lost with the stage things. So with all the Abbott magic and all the sort of things, like he was talking about how they went, went through all the difficulties of trying to like save his works and maintain it and all the beautiful things he created. And they came across, um.

Copies of his books and his notes but all of the figures were missing like all of the pictures that accompanied the explanations all gone but then they managed to find negatives of the actual photographs and they're like great now we got to figure out which applies to which and they went through all this time figuring that out and then just most recently they managed to find the full original with all the original notes and the original pictures and everything in

there that's going to be coming out that that level of work and the thing is it got this close to being destroyed in a fire and they managed to save it all this work is thankful like thankfully to tell her like doing this and and putting these efforts in is absolutely amazing but yeah it's it's absolutely amazing this is wild and this is all by the way this is all before magic live has even started even begun correct and so you could have come back to brisbane uh

sorry you could have come back to melbourne and been perfectly fulfilled with that experience it sounds like honestly after like the first day of magic live before like just on the day of registration i'd had so much fun that i was like if i had to fly home tomorrow i'd be like this is great like that's That's how content I was with all my time that I was there. I just Googled Teller's age. He's 76. How amazing is that, that you can still have such passion for your art and share

it and love it so much in 76 and still so active. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. He's in, he's in great shape. He's, he's, you know, taking care of himself. He has had his issues in the past, but he seemed to have gotten on top of that. As you do, you sort of, you know, the wheels come off. 76. I just hope I can get out of bed. That would be my goal for the day. Get out of bed. That's it.

But he's doing great. And with how many staircases and things in his house, you need to be in shape just to get around that thing. So after spending a lot of time there, what was wonderful, he handed me this book. It was a very, very, very old book. And he explained to me that this is a copy of, of the book where the first magic trick was ever printed in this. And it's a book on like discovery of witchcraft. You held the discovery of witchcraft. I held it. I held it through it.

I, yeah, it was basically like a, like a knife through tongue type of thing, explaining how it worked in there. And yeah, yeah. But I, like there was the OG copy, like, there you go. Wow. Wow. There can't be too many of those on the planet. I can't imagine there's more than, did you get a number? Did he say, no, I didn't dig into it that, that far, But erroneous, it's pretty special for him to just be like, check this out.

Did you touch the book? You actually touched it? Yeah, absolutely. Man, I think that book's staying under glass if it's in my house. Well, I asked him, I go, don't I need gloves? And he goes, no, you don't need to because the way the paper is made with the wax and the blah, blah, blah, it's not an issue. You can use it all you like. That's why the book's so old and it looks great. Wow, cool. Staggering. Absolutely staggering. Yeah.

And so we're talking about all this sort of stuff. we're talking about pictures and stories and he's like this is the thing and that's where the crucifix was in this particular photo and this is when houdini was doing this escape with this particular thing and it was amazing one of my most favorite moments was when we first arrived he explained he's like this is a photograph it was you know it's like it's really cool it's like this guy from wherever he

was from it was like belgium he's like he takes these photographs but in x-ray and it was an x-ray photo of a rabbit in a hat but it was like an x-ray so you kind of see the rabbit in the in the hat you're like oh you know this is really cool and and then it was like yeah i love this photo i kind of love the idea of like the rabbit jumping out at some point i think i just think it's cute i'm like it is really cute so we do the whole tour and then as we're leaving he

stops and stands there for a second and he says he says a little something and then walks away just enough for us to notice that the rabbit has left the hat like oh lee but he plans so many beautiful bits of magic for us like we he's got this giant metal bear he originally saved it from i think like a like a nature reserve and so forth and then put it in his backyard and then put a speaker in it so when you go down it's like.

Hey nick how's it going thanks for coming to visit and you know he does a card force and it was like you're thinking of this card like he just he put so many bits of magic around the house for us to experience as we walked about so it's like a very very magical tour of his home and it's just just to sit opposite him just to high-five him would have been enough you know like it was.

Yeah such an epic experience we sat in this room for a while and we talked about all things magic we talked all history until eventually it was like okay let's let's move on you know and and so we we go on through the tour and we go through a few more bits and he shows us other bits of the house and bits of history his partner gene has a very big love for movies and so forth. He's got so many signed copies of Gone with the Wind.

And, you know, costumes from that era and from those movies and so forth. And Clark Gable, you know, played the lead role, the male lead role in that movie, like signed pictures of him and they're all over the wall. So just experiencing that was just so cool, man. Like it was just so cool as well as all the books in the library. And it was just staggering, you know, and there's a couple other bits that I'm not sure if I should even mention because it was just so crazy and wild.

And I feel like he led us into this realm that was so private that I don't feel like it's respectful to sort of share what I, what I'd seen, you know, like in his, in his gym and in his swimming pool. And I'll say that much, you know, but it was just such an amazing experience and his level of kindness and the design of his home is, is very unique. It's very, very cool. Very functional. Yeah. It's just, just a remarkable experience. I'm so happy for you. Yeah. Fuck! Yeah, I'll be for you.

We deserve this, Normanda. We deserve every bit of it. I know. I know. Yeah. So after we hung out and we did a wonderful tour and was just really educated on these beautiful stories, very personal stories about his life and his birthday parties and so forth, you know, like the coffin. There's a coffin in the hallway, and there was a whole experience and story as to why that was there.

You know you know even just the time being on the tv shows time with the simpsons all the other things he was into it was just it was just wonderful you know to hear it from his mouth to my ears and so once that wrapped up he was kind enough to say you guys will be guests at my show at the penn and teller show tonight at the rio so we said thank you kindly and he had to get a haircut and get some things done and so we we parted ways that evening and then we went

home washed up and then went to go see the show and you know we hand in our tickets and they said oh you know, when the show finishes, don't leave, just stay put. And then we'll go backstage and hang out afterwards. I'm like, that sounds wonderful. So as I'm walking through, Javi Benitez is there in the front row. If you don't know who he is, he's done some of the most wonderful work on palming that I've ever seen an amazing Spanish magician.

And to me, probably the strongest performer of the entire magic live. Wow. Wow. Like he was so strong. Like he opened Did you do Spongebob magic on Penn and Teller? Is that correct? Or am I wrong? That was Gabriel who did that. He's sending me an escape to be right now. But he was here recently in Melbourne for the Melbourne Magic Festival. He was phenomenal. Lovely, lovely guy. And strong magic. You know, that whole Spanish realm.

These guys are all sort of mentored by Miguel Angalgea, who's one of my favorite coin guys. Miguel was there, but I was too scared to sit down with him. You know when you don't want to meet your heroes? That's Miguel for me. Like, I don't want to sit there for too long. Like I had a polite conversation and even it's that sort of thing with teller, but like, I guess I've spent enough time with tellers as time has gone on that.

It's like, I'm okay to sit with him now, you know, but yeah, that fear of meeting those people. So anyway, back circling back to the show, he's there with a bunch of other awesome Spanish magicians. We're sitting down. Then I ended up sitting next to a Martin Christensen, who was the 2022 FISM winner. And Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you say his name?

Martin right yeah i this is the he's from one of the first denmark i reacted to one of his full-loss videos and i was so blown away by his creativity if anyone hasn't watched it before he goes into what nick's about to go into like he basically starts with a video a performance of like whatever happens to this picture will happen to me or whatever happens to me will happen to this picture and he does just some really creative stuff that you don't expect to see happen and i'm

just saying that to foreshadow you going to watch it that's all but um he seems like a really nice guy on film so what was he like so lovely so lovely like he you know when you meet people and they just sort of become part of your magic dna like they influence you in some way or another other it was like that being around these guys you know like you have these conversations and their words matter to you you know when you got people like that that you care about and

they say stuff it really hits you and you kind of it becomes a part of you and i it's a weird way of saying it but i've met so.

Many like so many people that i did bump into they're like that guy's my part of my magic dna like things that he says i believe and i carry that with me in my magic ethos now and it was really nice having a chat with him because denmark is such a small place he's like like he's like name three denmark magicians like rune and who else him wow it's like yeah like i can't think of anyone else and you know one of the conversations we had was

kind of like you know the the strangest thing is when you meet people you know and then they think like oh i'm like you and it's like i'm a magician i'm just like you it's like well you're not like me because you know, like I've said it in the past, it's like, I'm not a cover band, you know, I'm not doing other people's stuff. Like I'm creating all this stuff from scratch. And I'm saying, and I loved it because I said to him that when you see these performers and this level of like.

Manipulation and, and these techniques to like levitate playing cards and all this kind of stuff, you know, and I'll touch upon some of the things that I saw as we, as we touch upon magic live, and we'll try to wrap this up, but it's just this level of creativity that you're really going to appreciate because it's not taught anywhere. It's not in a book. It's not anywhere. They just gone. I'm going to figure this out. And, and he goes, that's what you got to do. You You don't wait for it.

You don't look for it. You just figure it out. Don't fool around. Just figure it out in your own way. And it's a scary place to be because I remember going into that realm myself where I was like, I really want to do this thing, but I can't find it. Or I found that when I was creating in my early days that I would create something, but then it already existed. And then I got to the point where it was like, I've created something. Now I need to go find where it exists.

It doesn't matter, man. It doesn't matter. You came up with it independently, and out it goes, right? And then when you do find out that it does belong to someone, you can say, I came up with this myself one day, although it does already exist, credited to blah. You do the right thing in that sense, but you don't need to validate everything you create. You don't need to do that, okay? So I digress.

But my interaction with him was absolutely wonderful, and the story doesn't end with him just there. But I got to sit with him, watch this show, which was absolutely brilliant. They did some extremely fooling magic. I finally got to see the cow vanish, which is a river, a very, like a rarity to be able to do at the Penn and Teller show. It's a live cow vanish. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, I say it's a cow. It's actually a pygmy elephant.

That's right. Yeah. It's a pygmy elephant that makes chocolate. So brilliant stuff. They did this whole routine and I don't want to give anything away in case you see it, but it's this whole, thing that you're like, what is going on here? And then it circles back quite literally. And it's like, this is genius. Like it blows your mind how clever this, this is.

I absolutely love this. So show finishes, we're all hanging about and it's just myself and a bunch of other Spanish magicians and a few other, few other cats. And we all get invited backstage and Penn's there and Teller's there and we're all shaking hands and Penn's talking about music and we're all just circled around Penn. And he's just talking about like Bob Dylan and touring and everything else and and all their level of creativity, and playing bass, and music, and.

It was really cool. We got gifted some show bags with some stuff for being there. This is ill before Magic Live. Yeah, this is before Magic Live. How was the show attendance-wise? I know the Rio is kind of on the down spiral. Is that showroom still filling up? I believe it was their first show in three weeks or three months. They've been gone for quite a while. Okay. And so it was basically like their first show is like, we haven't performed in X amount of time. He explained.

So, yeah, so we might be a little rusty, but they were great. They were absolutely brilliant. So it might be rusty after performing for 50 years together. Yeah, exactly. You know, so was the theater full? That's what I was kind of asking to the brim packed house. The brim. Absolutely. Not surprised. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was.

I've heard bad things about the Rio recently. like it's not the best vegas resort to stay at well okay i don't know about that but it was my first time visiting there and i i liked it i thought it was cute like walking about there there was the funny thing was there was also a star trek convention oh fascinating wow so that's awesome that was fun a bunch of people all dressed up in cosplay mucking about like the nerdiest of the nerds convened on vegas in the same week star trek and magic yeah

i mean hedger and i ended up going to like a guy fieri taco like mexican restaurant and just you know making space for all these trekkies who were just trying to get a feed and i was like oh we got some space here guys if you want to sit at the bar and i was like oh great we're sitting with these these lovely ladies you know they're probably like in their 60s and 70s all dressed up to the nines with the blonde hair like you know yeah all this sort of that that seems like that that's like

the perfect scenery for shooting street magic, like, I'm sure there was plenty of street magic shot. Magic guy shows Trekkie the Jedi force. This is all wrong. That whole sentence is wrong. But you know what I mean?

Magic guy beams up card to his hand for Star Trek. We're never going to get to the actual convention tonight. We're on day one of Nixon. This is going to be a three-part series, okay? Look, we'll plow through the rest of it. What ended up happening after that was we finished up.

Hanging out with everyone and you know these lovely spanish magicians we all set up a friendship and we wanted to get a bite to eat so we ended up going to fair fremont street which i'd never been to before that place wild right yeah it is wild if you guys scope out my instagram which is nick k magic all one word you can see some of the bits of us walking about with martin and everyone else through Fremont street. It is wild. I never seen anything like it.

So yeah, we did that until stupid hours of the morning, then called it a night, you know, and then basically checked into curious. If you saw any street performers, I know it's hot that this time of year, but I know there's guys working Fremont. Did you see anybody? I didn't see any magicians, man. That was the thing. There was no magicians there, unfortunately, but I saw it. They're all at magic live. I mean, probably.

Yeah. Or preparing for it or about to go there type of thing, you know, but it was brutal. To do magic in 100 degrees, no matter, right? I mean, it's just...

Brutal yeah i mean for the aussie listeners i think it was like 34 degrees at like two in the morning damn zero relief yeah that is that is my recollection of the time i went to magic live was you just freaking stayed in the hotel the whole time unless you're going to the pool because it was just disgusting pool time was great time absolutely so yeah so you know that was it and you know it was a wonderful night i appreciate

teller's kindness and and trust to allow us to to go into his home and experience something so wonderful. And I hope I didn't break any rules by explaining how wonderful it was or upset him, but like it, it was, it was great. And I'm memories there, man. Talk about a lifetime memory. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he will be back in Australia come February. And he said, you got to organize some stuff, whatever you organize, just count me in, just do it. And I was like, we can do that.

So yeah, that's right. He's touring. He's touring in January.

What are the chances we can meet up together and do like a live interview with him or something like put some like a like a double camera live pod something to think about we got a few months see if i can push the friendship but let's start now we've sort of hit the halfway point with magic live all right so i wanted to make sure that i don't sort of forget everything so i have a copy of the program and everything that was covered so when you finish at magic live in the last night there's

a great big party and they hand these out you have like a little token and you claim one of these things. Cute book. It's kind of, for those listening, it's a book that's kind of shaped like a oval, like a half circle. And inside is all your lecture notes. So everything that you saw and read and which is good because you weren't always able to catch all of the sessions just because of the time restraint. There was typically two groups. There was like a blue, sorry, a red group and a white group.

And you weren't always able to see the same things, other people. And sometimes you were forced to see shows at like 11 o'clock at night. So what I thought I would do just to make sure that I don't miss anything.

So to touch upon everything at Magic Live. So when you arrive at Magic Live, pretty typical stuff. You rock up, you get your badge, you get everything signed in. They also give you a backpack, which is dope. They give you like a full backpack. There's a bunch of program stuff in there explaining what the sessions are about. It's in this book here that I'm showing to screen. And just some of the bits that are going to be in there, the magicians, where the food is, things like that.

So it's just your diligence in that front.

Front but then you get all your bits in this so you can go put your lecture notes in buy your merch etc and just load that up so everyone's just walking around with these backpacks which is just just awesome that is awesome that's a great it is when you're asking big bucks for a for a convention you provide that kind of swag it's well played guys yeah yeah i think the year the year i went or that you were there too nick i think it was a hoodie or something but a backpack,

so much more fun yeah they gave you a jumper they gave you a jumper in vegas yeah with like a little, little yeah yeah yeah we went straight to goodwill you know like i had no business yeah yeah it does look like a google play button you youtube that that actually is a youtube play button yeah yeah the square is the play button from from what's it called well and and that's a great question so dragotea did ask why does

it look like a google play button that's because the theme this year was play. And so it's all about like play, play with magic, get like, get around it.

And I'll touch upon the first session that sort of digs, dives into that. So the first session, so my program was like waking up in the morning and at 10 o'clock going to these morning sessions. So it started off with a gentleman called John Cox who ended up finding a diary from Harry Houdini. And basically it was just before he went kind of large in 1899.

And he basically, basically studied this thing to the point where he was able to decipher Houdini's rather poor handwriting and explore upon that and what they all meant.

And there's entire pages that are blank. And basically this small book, it's a very, very small book, which was his diary is now being sort of interpreted and then going to be put into a coffee table book for those history buffs out out there who are big fans of the amazing harry houdini you have that to look forward to and it's basically pre-famous that's cool that's real magic show bits and what he got paid and then you know he sort

of writes down in his diary when he started making the big bucks and things like that like it's very very fascinating so i really enjoyed that yeah there's another gentleman there which was curtis hickman the step beyond reality if you guys are familiar with the void it's a vr VR experience.

And if you remember in the, in the lectures past, he talked about how he uses magic and VR to give him a sort of better experience. And he was talking about how he allowed, like how magic is used in conjunction with VR to give him experiences. So for example, if you're standing on a podium and it's like an elevator, you push a button, you want to make it feel like you're going up.

So what happens is you push the button and then the button goes down, which gives you the feeling that you're going up in the vr world and it just basically explains all these different ways you can experience things in virtual reality which is super cool nick defante was the guy who was focusing on the playing and he explained that everyone got a a yo-yo with their actual show bag for lack of a better word and he was explaining how like

just playing with this is kind of healthy even to take a break from magic and use the yo-yo to sort of inspire things he He did a very hilarious thing where he actually got a person to dress up in like a full red, almost like green screen outfit, but it's red. And he had like a ribbon and he was explaining with this person how to do tricks as a yo-yo with the person playing the role of the yo-yo. Hold on. Do you have this yo-yo with you?

Yeah. Can you do a little walk the dog or a rock the baby for a dragoteer here? It says do a trick. I remember learning. I haven't unwound it. It's still got its little sticky bits on there and so forth. And just for the sake of time.

But apparently it's a good one. It's a spinner. It's like a proper spinner, like one of those sorts of numbers. Are you a yo-yo guy, Nick? I was. I was sort of just for kicks. But yeah, I got some friends that are deeply into it and actually do it in their magic tricks. You know, like they kind of throw cards in the air and then it ends up stuck inside the yo-yo type of thing. My friend David Chu does that. I'll be seeing him in Malaysia very soon.

I'll say quickly as well. I've always thought, so for Trick of Day May, I used a yo-yo for a trick once. And because when you unwind a yo-yo, it's a string. And so I did that and then did a cut and restored rope with the string. So you take it out, cut it, then restore it again, back to normal, bring the yo-yo back up. I'm surprised people don't. Start exploring with yo-yos, my friends. That's all I'm saying.

But now, you know, 1,500 magicians now have a yo-yo, so I'm sure someone's going to do something with it. But you've basically got a rope that makes sense why you have a rope now, you know? Yeah. Anyway, something to think about.

No, that's great advice, man. I'll sort of base through this relatively quickly as far as these sessions go, right? We'll go through all the morning sessions and power on. Well, just as well, it's also like the stuff that happened out, Now, you know, the shenanigans you got up to, I think, is what everyone wants to also hear about. So please don't leave out those details. For me to live vicariously through you. Okay.

Absolutely. So there was a couple other bits. Young and Strange, the amazing UK duo, they were hosting this particular session. We did a tutorial on how the Baby Spikes works. For those of you that don't know what the Baby Spikes illusion is, it's effectively a very large cardboard box. And then you have close to 20 odd dowels, long wooden sticks of dowel that are sharpened at each end. And you basically put your assistant in the box. You stab the crap out of the box.

And the person in there is stuck. They wear the white flag. Typically, everything gets pulled out. They come out unscathed. And they explain that illusion. And that whole tutorial was called like the $9 illusion because the box is $9 and away you go. So very, very cool trick. And it was very cool to see. I've seen it many a times, but they actually showed it with like an overhead camera on what's involved with actually achieving that illusion, which is super duper cool.

The next, another morning session was Adriana Cabron, who's responsible for the end book test is probably one of his most recent, amazing feats. And he basically did a creativity class, which was super cool. He's a great creator, Angelo Carbone, man, like he doesn't miss, miss. So yeah, I'm sure that was great. Yeah. And thankfully what he also did was he basically had these like three wheels that you would spin just for the sake of creating.

He was kind enough to make one in such a way that it's online and you scan a qr code and you can like do your own spins and and do that i don't think it would be to share that we might share that on the discord for fun you know so you guys can have a bit of a creative tinker with it you know so yeah so we did that we had the auto shaping perceptions by gabrielle wehrlein that was pretty cool and then there was a children's magic one that actually got cancelled so yeah mike is talking

about my favorite lecture which i will mention shortly now in the next general session there was master pain who was hosting the whole thing he did a very good presentation on how to present this was probably one of the one of the better general sessions that day because it was all about presentation and so forth but for me the standout person in that one was actually john armstrong oh john armstrong spoke and man brilliant

and and what the most important thing And just so you get the most value out of this episode, this is what you need to take away from John Armstrong's lecture or his talk. Close-up magic is conversational and stage magic is presentational. Okay? Say it again. Close-up magic, conversational. Stage magic, presentational.

When you understand that it just makes so much sense why someone like myself who can chat to the cows come home crushes it in the close-up game you know in a roving sense because i can do that and i can you know but yeah when people think they can just translate this conversational skill set to the stage they're doing it wrong because you need to present in the cleanest most direct most appropriate way you know so he covers all that and the many different methods

in order to do that and how to recent book published on kind of that whole subject i think winning is that the name of the book on yeah it might be right magic to the stage and yeah so one of the things he touched upon thanks for bringing that up doug because what he actually said was you know it's like oh how did you go on stage like oh i killed it i killed i killed the audience because we don't kill the audience we win the audience we win the audience

right you know what i mean so how'd you go did you win i won i won them i won their affection i won their respect i won them so So when you think about that concept of winning your audience over, very important stuff.

So then there was a gentleman who, who from the CIA, who was talking about how to profile people. So you can choose the most appropriate spectator. That was wild. Um. Emily Robinson, who did this amazing Akon, Carter, any number on Fool Us. She explained how that works. Is this the one that everyone was like, it was com what's the right word? It was Confederate. Confederate is what you're thinking.

Controversial where they were like, you know, yeah. With the, the one that had the handheld mic, right? Correct. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Controversial. Why? Well, people thought that, wasn't there a thing going around? Oh, she just, well, I don't know if I want to say methods, but it was like, she just, you know. I love it when people accuse magicians of cheating. Yeah. There was something about like, she just dubbed his voice or something

or rather, and is that fair to, you know, to do in the show or whatever, whatever. I don't know. But it was great because it made people talk about it. So, you know, it's not a bad thing. It's just what I remember hearing about it. It was great. It was very good. Andrew main. There's a name you haven't heard in a while. Yeah. I saw a picture of him. Yeah. How fun was that? He was awesome. It was so great to sit opposite him. This guy, his brain is too big for his head.

Is he still active in magic? Dude, you know what he does? What does he do? He's like one of the top guys for like chat GTP. Wow. That's not surprising. You know, he's smarty. So yeah, like chat GTP for, his name's there like he was like and remain did this stuff like the guy.

Genius and also for chat gpt as well or just chat gtp whatever it's called but that whole come on now you know what we love it i keep equating it to like car racing because i'm that guy but you know i'm talking about yeah chat r2d2 did you race cars did you do that while you were there i didn't do race cars we'll move on with the con then i didn't think it i didn't think it was appropriate with the lack of sleep that i had during the day i felt like being at the wheel of

a four hundred thousand dollar supercar with three hours sleep was a bad idea so i decided against it so the other cool thing above that was dynamo was a guest speaker. Oh yeah and so he did a a talk about how he's sort of rebranding from the dynamo name to the steve name. That's going to be hard. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's gone through some stuff. He's gone through some health issues and so forth. And he was very open about that, which was cool.

Yeah. So that was super cool. The next focus session, there was. Javier Benitez, who did his stuff, super funny stuff. He does this bit with, like, false teeth. God, it's so funny. If you watch my shorts on my Instagram, you can see some of that stuff. Christian Engbaum did some stuff with rubber bands and whatever else. And then Chris Philpott and Steve Valentine, whom I love, did some acting for magicians stuff, which I thought was very important because a lot of people

don't think about that. Very important stuff. Over the last year, I've become the biggest Steve Valentine fan. Man. Like he's such a pro, such a lovely guy. And he has this ability. I don't know how he does it, but like when you, when he says hello to you, you feel like the most important person in the world. You're like, nothing else matters. He just has this like gravitas. It's amazing. He's a beautiful human.

The next session was like interviews one after the other, where they had more team Christensen, Danny Garcia, Christopher Hart, Taylor Hughes, Eric Tate, and Rachel wax. And they basically, every time somebody finished an interview, they then became the interviewer and then the next person became the interviewee. And I just kept swapping over like this. You're doing what, like 10, 15 minutes each? Is that what it is? Yeah. Move on? I like it.

That was basically it. And I think that it's not mentioned here, but in that session, I do recall that Mike Cavney got up and did some talks about learning magic online and so forth, in which he also brought up Dave Liamson.

They talked about Dave Liamson's slide school and all the different platforms in which you can learn magic online and through proper schools and through good tutelage and sure enough the amazing dog con his school got a. What learn slide hand.com the magic is parked about you bet oh yeah do the blatant plug there we are that's right learn slide a hand.com got a great big plug in front of all the magicians at magic live and yeah yeah looking forward to when that all comes to fruition

the other thing outside of that was Miguel Angelgea did a lecture. I was struggling to stay awake for that one just because of, you know, it's just Wednesday, the third night in. Probably one of the best lectures. I think my favorite lecture, somebody did ask, which is my favorite lecture? It's pretty much between Javier Benitez and Miguel Angelgea. They're both sort of out of the same vein, but I think collectively those two were the biggest influence for me.

I took the most out of those two brian brushwood was there i actually had a bit of an embarrassing interaction with brian brushwood because i was i went to his stand to say hello and i was just sort of about to fall asleep mid-conversation and i was like i'm gonna pass out and i was like oh you have to excuse my manners brian i think i drank too much coffee and i haven't had enough sleep i must i think i need to hydrate maybe excuse me it was like yeah yeah go like i just

felt like it was a rude way to end the conversation with him because he was so polite a good way to get out of a conversation actually yeah i need a glass of water i'm gonna. So I had to bail on that one. And then outside of that, there was a close-up clinic. Typically, these are where they have multiple tables. And these guys sitting at each table, and you sit with them, and they talk about things to teach. And you basically go between each one learning some stuff.

Now, this close-up clinic consisted of these magicians. It was Norman Beck, Kent Gunn, Laura London, Jeff McBride, Gary Plants, right? Gary's a gem. Oh, isn't he just? Yeah. He really is.

Yeah john wilson and paul wilson so that was really really cool to talk about all those guys did you get to see kink guns cups and balls did you see that okay no it's brilliant so happy to see him getting the spotlight on him this cups and balls routine is quite unique but yeah you know there was it was hard to fit everything in yeah right you know and in between that and even just from that getting to the dealer room damn near impossible

but there's a few more things we'll touch upon which is basically they had shows each evening right so one of which was a show called tanto t-a-n-t-o with these two amazing magicians which was paco agrado and.

Giancarlo scalia i love giancarlo scalia oh my god he is incredible well this this act was so brilliant so unique it was a full card show that played to i think maybe like it felt like of 300 people in this room, maybe more, with one table, one stage, and one screen, and it was brilliant, my friends. It was absolutely brilliant. Yeah. Just staggering. I don't toot my own horn a lot, but it's hard to fool me with a deck of cards.

This guy smoked me over and over again at will with his travelers and palming. It's like, are you kidding me with what I'm seeing? It's the cleanest type of magic, and it's so impossible that it's just really staggering. So their act was absolutely brilliant. That was one of the most wonderful experiences we got to have in the show. As well as that, we also had another thing called the Close-Up Experience. The Close-Up Experience consisted of Javi Benitez, who opened the show.

And I got to tell you, man, he was such a strong opener that nobody else could like hold a candle to his performance. He came out like so strong and so funny and so mind-blowing.

Then he went like, and now to be serious for a second, and then closed this beautiful like FISM-esque type routine, which I think he may have done on Full House with some beautiful palming and some bits did all that and then like called it a night and then the next act came out the next act being danny garcia oh he came out and performed whoa he hasn't performed like years he said he hasn't done like actual performances in years so he's out there he did a show at tricks he was on the bill there

in november that's a minor lie he and he crushed he kills well just words from his mouth he's like i haven't performed in like 10 years i was like oh Oh, okay, cool. He probably says that every time he goes on stage. Probably. Smart guy. Smart way to go about it. I might start saying that at every corporate gig. Yeah. I only performed like 10 minutes. Yeah. So it was him, Christian Engblom, which was great.

Really fooling stuff and also Miguel Angel Gaya who closed the evening and rightly so like he covered everything he did in that show in his lecture and it was just staggering just geniusly staggering so that was that was really good another big and well I'll get to the juniors in just a moment because those guys were absolutely brilliant and I got to find out who these kids were because man can we can we can we also find out about the dealers hall absolutely there was a lot

of you know now post magic live there's a lot of hype about tobias's liquefy or liquid i mean and and obviously he's he's tempted us with that routine in a lot of his videos in the past but now they're actually a product did you get to see it or did you buy one what's i thought about buying it but i was like it's just not what i want to do like i i want to do something original with a ring and i haven't quite tapped into

it yet but i know that's not what i want to do but it's a beautiful effect if you haven't seen it where you can take a piece of metal or a ring and you dip your finger in it and it looks like it's turned to liquid and just by spinning it around your hand it turns into a ring on your finger it's very cool you know if i got one it'd be just as a utility to keep in the shelf but it's not something i want to perform immediately but i do think it's very cool is it because it's

not something you would keep on you at a gig like is it yeah it was kind of a feeling it was that type of thing where it's like i get it but it's It's not going to enter my work in repertoire. Right. You know, but I would do it for like a piece. Sure. It's very cool. You get multiple colors, multiple different things to do. It's not just like one thing. So it's a very good kit for this effect. And I think it's totally worth it. Yes.

Little big show was great. It was, you know, this way, Christian Morton performed his Fism act. Absolutely brilliant. There was Christian Hart, Rachel wax. We went over that. And these guys were absolutely brilliant. Okay. But what I want, I want to just give a quick plug to the juniors. So the juniors did their act. I actually think the juniors act was stronger than the actual close-up gala. It was hosted by a good friend, Taylor Hughes, and four amazing juniors who

performed their acts. And it was just brilliant, man. Like I won't, just for the sake of time, I won't get into what their acts were like, but you know, one kid was a theater kid who performed his bit and absolutely slaughtered. There was the opening act who did a beautiful manipulation act where he had like a rose and did some stuff. And then the music stops and then you hear rain and then it's raining on the kid. Like he's just got rain running down his face and all over his suit.

And he's just like producing water from places. Like, and he's a kid who's like, he's like 17 or something. Look, that's not easy. Magic with liquid is insanely challenging. Yeah. And he just did all this beautiful minute, you know, all these guys were brilliant. These other kids, Zach, he did this act with a headphones, like multiplying headphones, a very cool street esque type routine. Just like, I mean, You see that and you just think like, oh,

thank God, magic is in safe hands. You know what I mean? So just absolutely wonderful. So that effectively covers everyone we needed to, like that's the little diary we was talking about. But with the remaining time that we have, I mean, we can talk about this for ages and ages, obviously, but I think we should touch upon the dealer's room because the dealer's room is always epic. I bought some bits. I didn't get too carried away. Okay.

But I bought some bits. You didn't buy any drones this time. I didn't buy any drones this time. I did get close, but I was, yeah. Yeah, so I found this Jumbo Jumbo coin, and I was super happy to do that. Wait, where'd you get that? Where'd you get that thing? I got this from SEO Magic. SEO Magic. That's like a nine-incher, huh? Yeah, let me measure that. Is it plastic or metal? It's plastic. Yeah, all right. Which is good because... Nice.

Yeah. The other thing is I wouldn't want to hand this out to the kids. The kids will snap it in half. You know, like it's the only thing.

You know, you can hand out your normal Jumbo dollar, but this is a giant yeah that's gonna be good i was also gifted some old vintage magic from some friends up there so i got like fantazio candles like in full brand new condition those are right yeah like and and my friend and you know taylor hughes was like oh i know all this stuff and he showed me because wow it's so rare these are like fully brand new like they're never been

used and i'm like yeah you've been wanting some of those like i love that gimmick the vanishing candle. Yeah. Actually, the appearing candle is the way to go because it goes both ways. Yeah. I don't even, you know. Yeah. I was also gifted an old vanishing birdcage because I...

Playing with a bit of an idea with the old vanishing bird cage type of thing you know and you can oh yeah yeah like yeah and so i'm trying to think with that i got like a bunch of other like i got like a metal canes like full og metal canes from the 90s look at to me there was this really cute bunny like it's kind of like a rocco thing like a like a rocco raccoon but it's a little bunny you know what i mean i think oh yeah cool i think this

i just had to have i just think it's so cute look at it i think that was that was a drunk buy i think maybe you hadn't slept much when you bought that you get a drunk buys this shot glass by tcc magic that's a good buy that is on the way that is on the way to me currently what is that what does that do basically you have you you you have a silk you show it you know front and back very very empty like hands totally like this you know and then you just

shot glass it's a it's a new it's a new holdout for a shot glass Is it what it is? Okay. Okay. I bought a notifier from Illuminati Magic. I used some of their products already, and I just wanted to be able to slowly build upon a couple more ideas I had. They were very kind and spent a lot of time with me there. That was very, very cool. What is a notifier, Mr. K? It's basically for anyone who exists within the Illuminati ecosystem. You better finish that sentence.

The Illuminati ecosystem. ecosystem, there is a lot of things that sort of communicate from with that. And basically this is a little miniature screen that can communicate to you either by, by, by vibrating or by actually showing certain entities that you might want to know. It might be something to the effect of like, take a card and put it under your seat and you can see what it is, you know, little things like that. Yes. Miracle class stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very clever stuff.

I didn't, I've never had a thumb But I decided to get this one, which is called Epic Rider. I've sort of packaged it up because the package was quite large. Is that a Sharpie? No, it's actually a pen. A pen. It's an actual pen. And I liked that. I was like, this is good. So. Yeah, the LEDs are like sketchy at best, hard to control, and not something really anyone generally uses these days.

That I really liked. I really, really liked that. So now there is, I also bought this from, this is the jumbo card trick by Martin Christensen. This is apparently it's just a very comedy based routine and it wasn't expensive and there was two left. And I was like, I'll take it. And then I was like, Hey, there's no tutorial. You got to teach this to me, my team. And he was like, send him an email. That's in a tier. I'm like, okay. So.

And then after you left, he put another one more on the table. I mean, two left. I reckon that's how they get you. I got this amazing gimmick. I asked Bizarro to make this for me where you have like a jumbo coin and you just sort of peel back the chocolate and you can eat the chocolate. I saw, Pix, you were hanging with Bizarro too, right? Well, I've had a lot of good times with Bizarro. Bizarro was actually, well, he's very good friends with Doc Andrew. Yeah.

Bizarro hasn't been on the show yet We need to get Bizarro on this show I'll reach out to him, man And ask him, absolutely He's got some stuff coming out, so I may as well sweat him for it Look, he should just come on We go way back, me and Bizarro Yeah, and so. When I first went to Magic Live He was very kind and took me To some cool places to eat And then took me to the What's it called?

The Pinball Museum This is a pantomime yeah it's a pantomime yeah i bought this book from joshua j called the particle system and this is based off a new stack type work that he does i don't do a lot of stack work and i've been spending the past few weeks getting it around your monica and i thought hey why not let another stack that you don't know why that why that system can you give us uh i've not read in depth enough to know about it but from the very little that

i read on the flight home and i i flew home at midnight so i didn't want to be that guy with the light on yeah getting everyone around him right but there is basically just a lot of cool things about it where within two shuff like two pharaoh shuffles it's it's within like you're in that stack and you can achieve all these types of things that's super easy to remember you can do a couple of things in which you know with a couple of cuts and shuffles that it basically goes back to like

the new deck order type of finish and.

Things like that yeah so even william fisher is saying like i wonder why you don't do more stack work i know i get it i get it because the stack is an index i get it you know so yes i am working on that but there was this thing here this is called gravity clips by vanishing ink and i wanted to give us a quick shout out because i don't know what to do with it just yet but i just know i had to have it and what it is it's a i'll describe it for the listeners out there but

effectively it's It's just a bunch of bulldog clips on a string, okay? But what's cool about it, right? And in fact, maybe I can give you a quick demonstration as I sort of, I'll give it, as I circle back, I'll circle back with a demonstration in just a second. But a couple of other things that I saw was there was this particular deck that I bought from a gentleman called Peter. And it's the Invoke deck. Oh, I met that guy in Texas. That's a killer marked deck. Oh my God.

Imagine a mark deck on steroid yeah that's true it's like mark like eight ways or something like that right it's it's it's insane yeah i and you know because the way we we we spoke about it was i was sharing ideas that i had and i had this idea for an effect and i was like i don't know how to do that and he was like i got you my guy give me a call and and that was literally how it went and so peter is an engineer who's now

released this deck and he's trying to get it out there into to the market you know what i mean so yeah i would love to find a way to be able to help him but i'm going to show you this gravity clips thing as i slowly got set up as we're chatting away so the idea is is that you can kind of have a whole bunch of things sort of hung and i like this idea because you could probably have this in your apartment just holding photographs and stuff maybe some socks.

And then they can are doing this correctly i think so and they can like make a choice and let's say that like hey choose one of these and and i go okay now just say drop and then everything drops except for one what oh my word that is exciting to see that and so i had to share this because i just feel that like i don't know what to do with it yet i've i've thought about a couple of things it's something that i haven't tapped into yet but i saw this and i just went there's something

there there's something there it doesn't have to be cards anything the clip holds yeah and then the clip holds it could be anything it could be you know like and and then i just love the fact that it like it's not expensive i think it was 40 bucks wow nice can the spectators hold it is this something that can happen yeah you could have a spectator hold it but just keep in mind if it goes under tension that's what releases it so okay all right okay so i mean i don't think it's bad to

expose it yeah because i i believe that just by showing this to this wonderful audience that you You guys will probably get around it. Yeah. So I have a feeling there's a, there's a, an old thing you do with. Like if there's five objects and, you know, you get them to think of one and then move, you know, a certain amount, depending on what number they're on. And you can basically force what they end up on. I feel like the starting point would be something like that.

Yeah. You've got the audience now thinking about one object and then only that one stays hanging. Like maybe that's something to start off with. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. I think, I don't know. I just, I feel like there's, there's something there. Like, I don't know what it is, but. It's just cool. And it's just cool. And I was like, I need that. So I'm going to scope out the tutorial. I think later on today, which I'm not going to show, but it's there and see what that's about.

I also bought this thing here called emotions. I love this idea. This is a, basically a mock deck and in this deck on the, in, in between each one, there's like a list of emotions on there and you can get people to think of one and choose one and so forth. And you can basically identify what emotions they're thinking of. And I love this because I was like, there's an idea there. I have this idea

of being like, you know, I'm 40 now and guess what? I'm very proud to announce I finally have a girlfriend. Why? Because I'm able to understand and read their emotions without even knowing a single thing. I'm going to prove it to you. I just have this idea of like presenting it in this very comedic, fun way where it's like you're thinking of a word and it's just like, you know, I'm like, just invoke that emotion. I go, you're either constipated or you're angry.

I'm going to go with angry. You know, I think it's like a fun moment there that I can play with in my presentation. I got some amazing decks from Xavier Spade. I've got this thing here, Duality Pro. This is probably my favorite purchase. Duality Pro. Duality Pro by Cobra Magic. I wanted to buy a lot of stuff from Cobra Magic. They have this chair that's a gaff, and it's like it's structure balls as well. And I wanted that, but it just had this function that I wanted that it didn't have.

And that's the only thing that sort of dodged me. But Duality is... Good. Like it's very good. It's basically the ability to do a prediction, a video prediction. So the effect, if I can, if I can describe the effect, okay. I had my mobile phone and I explained that you had to choose. I knew you're going to choose that number because before I came out, I made a video, let me play the video. And then I play the video and I say, Hey, I'm just backstage, blah, blah, blah.

And there was a, this is how I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it like this. I go, I'm going to film this guy in the front row, that cat there. He's going to think of this, like, he's thinking of a number. I'm guessing it's going to be this. I'm going to, like, before I show you, like, think of the number. And, like, I knew you were going to say that. And you can show that it's written down, like, on a piece of paper. But you do it live. So I can literally do this and go, like,

show you a video and go, Doug, name a two-digit number. And you say. 32. Terrific. And then I just do this. And I got 32 written on the wall behind me on a piece of paper. Wow. That's cool. Yeah. It's a very, very clever piece. It's not cheap. Retail's a 400 US, but they were doing a special on it. So I bought it. But man, they only had two left. Yeah.

Copeland coins have this amazing gaff, which I bought in the Eisenhower setup, to do what I think is probably some of the most fooling matrix work. I don't do matrix work. I wish I did. I don't particularly like it, but I saw this and I was like, I could use this for so many things that I decided to buy it. Big fan of Copeland Coins. I love Jeff Copeland and what he's doing over there. Those two boys, he and Sean, Roy and Sean, I have all the time in the world. I love them.

I have all the time in the world for them. They're absolutely brilliant people. Yes. Good folks. Yep. I bought this thing called the AI system, which is basically a one-man show. You can cue your show from it using your phone.

That was a very handy piece of kit. Who was selling that? That was also Cobra Magic. Cobra Magic, huh? Cobra Magic, yeah. Control your show with your phone, huh? Yep. So you have like a 30-day free trial on this one. Is that Bluetooth then? Yeah. And it comes with this remote. Okay, there we go. It's about the size of a half dollar circular remote and you can cue your show from that. What are they selling that for?

It's a subscription piece. Oh yeah, you said that. Five bucks a month or seven bucks a month, depending on how much you commit to. But Copeland, All the time in the world. Really nice people. Really sweet folk. There was the stranger, which was a product by Jonathan Levitt. And it's a thousand dollars for this product. He marked it down for the, for the what's it called? He's charging for that. Yeah. It's beast of a product. The modern wizard.

It's, it's staggering how good this thing is. A thousand dollars. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ouch. Yeah. No, I didn't. I didn't, but it's on my radar. Like if I have the capacity to perform it more often, yeah, I would do that. Yeah. Yeah. I have no beef about that. I think it's worth it. I'll say that much, but man, it's really something. I would love to actually invite him on the show to talk about the depth of it. You know what I mean? I'd love to invite a lot of these guys,

Cobra Magic, to come on the show and say, let's talk about your products. You know what I mean? With the time, seven minutes over time, we could talk about this at the cast, come home, as well as the cool gaff decks and stuff that I come across, or this beautiful gift that I got from Teller, which is when I'm dead, all this will be yours by Joe Teller, a portrait by his kid Teller, which he signed for me on the inside. Yep. There is it. There it is. To Nick from your old pal and fan.

Oh my God. You bastard. Well, look, with all of the magic live wisdom ensured in you, let's take it out with the final word from Nick. I reckon. Let's do it.

So one of the cool things about magic live is not only just seeing amazing products being part of amazing lectures and so forth there is a very important second part of that which is outside of the actual lectures and the convention itself it's the times you sit around the table making friends with strangers it's the time when you're sitting down in the cafe having a slice of pizza and you see a magician sitting by himself

and you extend the hand of friendship and they come and sit with you and they're an amazing talent, an amazing person. And it's those memories that I think are far more valuable than actually being part of Magic Live in itself. It's the friends you make, the friends you catch up with, and it's the connections you make in that sort of process. So I think with that being said, you don't need a convention to experience that. Extend the hand of friendship, do it kindly, play with your friends,

play with magic, and enjoy. Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now. But we'll see you again on the next episode of the Magic Guys.