Spitballing YOUR Magic Ideas! #161

They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys. Oh yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 161 of the Magic Guys. We are here and we are ready. Up to my left we've got Nick K. Welcome to the show, friends. Oh yeah. Up to my right we've got Doug Kahn.

Salutations, kindred spirits. spirits doug diddy khan and i'm josh nobito welcome to the show ladies and gentlemen, oh yeah it's a fun one today dougie fresh i used to get that in the day like dougie fresh you know dougie fresh you know this one i i that's a first for me but i'm not declining that nickname man well maybe your hip-hop skills are not as deep as they need to be mr nobito I know. If only I knew rap history back in the 50s, I'd be up to speed.

You're also talking to the whitest guys in magic. We literally will get like every New Year's Eve when we watch the fireworks, we get sunburned. Yeah. Well, we're the whitest guys when it comes to rap, but we might be kind of mid-tanned in terms of magic. Also this Dougie Fresh wasn't all that. So there's really like not a lot of reason that you would know him. He might've had like one or two hits. Name one. Like the only person who has less hip hop knowledge than Norbito is

me. I just know they called me Dougie fresh. Oh, they called you Dougie fresh. All right. Yeah. Well, Dougie fresh. What's up? I like what's happening. And I also like our friends in the comments. We've got Tim asking John Prentice, Scotty P, the boys, drag or tear one.

One welcome everyone it's been it's been a fun week for me in doing some shows and some corporate gigs for the first time in a while I did a corporate event and the guy went to give me back the deck and just they exploded in his hand and went everywhere you know like when you have one of those moments but I just so didn't care that like everyone was like oh my god it was like you know five 50 year old you know corporate dudes and then And that guy does that.

And I just, I kind of broke character and was like, Jesus Christ. And then everyone just lost it. Cause I could kind of tell like, that's what the vibe they're going for. Like make fun of each other. Anyway. How about a professional tip there regarding extra decks? Do you keep an extra deck on person? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah and i even tried gimmick carry any sorry say that last part again do you carry gimmick decks at all i carry look i'll be straight with with you guys i carry one deck regular and one deck in stack that's what i carry i see that's all i really need yeah yeah so because one deck i'll do a lot of signing cards mercury folding cards and things like that and one will stay intact and i'll I'll do, you know, all the mnemonica work and all that kind of fun stuff.

In essence, that is your gimmick deck. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah. It's an index gimmick deck, basically. Yeah.

Basically. But yes, how about you, Nick? You were just telling us a little bit in advance, but what's going on? With decks, I carry two. I like to have them.

We know all about your decks. uh you went to a concert right you went to a concert and did you do magic there tell us it's it's been phenomenally busy for myself i haven't had a day off in a couple of weeks my first day off will be tomorrow which will just be ultimately laundry day and preparing for the next, 10 gigs after that i had magic just the magic wife i did a really awesome gig on the weekend for the locksmith guild yeah like so my good

friend neil allen who's a locksmith i met many years ago and he's a great friend and someone who's been kind enough to hire me whenever they do events it was a six hour rove as part of a type of trade show thing they did it was great man honestly it was six hours i felt like i was there for 20 minutes it was that much fun like i it was honestly honest to god it had so much fun and they were such cool guys and gals and we just we were We ran amok the entire day. It was an absolute blast.

And I'm so thankful to have been a part of it. It was very, very cool. But I basically finished that gig, got home, had a bite to eat, took a nap. And then went and performed again later that evening at my residency for another three hours. So that was a nine-hour magic day. That is like, that's gotta be mentally exhausting. You know, you would think so if it was a laborious type of existence, but like when you love what you do, it ain't work, man. It just ain't.

Yep. True story. Cap. That's cap.

No, you're right. You're right. But still hours of performance time is high level operations. Well, yeah. Yeah, I've had agents in the past where I've been hired for events and I go to the client. I go, well, that's my hour. They go, oh, can you do one more? Yeah, I can do one more. One more hour? Yeah. And then I do another hour. And then I'm like, well, that's my second hour. They go, do you want to do one more? And I go, yeah, I'll do one more. And no joke, four hours later.

And what I loved about it, most of the agent who hired me was just like, how do you have four hours of magic? And it's like, I don't even know. That's a good point, too.

And then it's funny i do have a world record because i i was part of the 85 hour magic show like the um we did we did a guinness world record which we did a non-stop magic show for 85 hours i don't remember exactly how many hours i did but i was there for a lot of them i think i did 20 in total like of magic so so when someone calls and says hey man can you do 10 minutes at wherever i'm like yeah man i can do 10 minutes that's wait a minute you did 20 hours of magic a pretty yeah Yeah,

I don't remember the exact amount, but I also emceed a lot. So I kind of did over the 20 hours that I was there because we did things in like four hour breaks. So, yeah. Holy moly. Yeah, it was a good time. It was a good time. Was it live or online or in your mom's basement? Well, yeah, it was at a magic bar out here in Melbourne. And that's not the most amazing bit. The most amazing bit was this particular lover of magic whose name is Tay.

And she was there for the entire 85 hours whoa like she came with like food snacks we brought her gifts she like was so prepared she had wet wipes so she could clean herself and everything and she did a full she was the one person who was there from start to finish it was a pretty phenomenal experience i do remember it making the news i remember seeing you guys on the news here in Brisbane doing it and it just looked like it seemed like

it was a show people could just rock up to and watch at any point yeah right like at any point in the show the record before that like did you have to figure it out I believe it was 75 75 prior yeah, I bet they're mad. I was trying to make a joke of someone who does shows too long and it didn't come to mind. There was, there was, um, most circle shows, street performers. That's who. Yeah. I do believe that Richard, Richard does a break dancing show. Yeah, exactly.

I do believe Richard Bell is did a 50 hour magic show solo. I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, let me, let me ask, let me ask the pod this. Would you guys be interested in a 24 hour magic guys podcast? Cause that we've never done. I remember the decking around podcast guys would do it once a year. We've never done that. So tell us what you think. I mean, that would be insane, but you know, who knows? Who knows? So we, um, I'm looking at the other guys and we're like, shut the hell up.

I think, I think we could do that. I think so. i think we could do it in shifts you know what i mean like we could do it in shifts in where if all three of us did 24 hours that'd be pretty epic but we could probably do it where you take that's to be at least two people on right yeah we could stagger the brakes and give people a chance to rest yeah we'll we'll discuss the logistics about this we'll get a coffee sponsor to help us power through this a bunch of guests that's what we need we need

like 10 guests a bunch of guests sections get all those guys that got on that guinness world series get them on here and we'll all just trick it up for a day yeah maybe we'll just do another hour and another hour until we get the record we'll see how far we can go well we could take the first shift doug because of the time difference you know what i mean yeah like we could figure this out overnight, yeah and when we're tired we just need someone from the uk because it will be

their daytime time when we're all asleep. Absolutely.

It could happen. You guys let us know. No one in the comments really seems to be interested except for Ed saying that sounds like torture for y'all. Yes. Right. Yup. But is torture not art, you know?

I don't know we need to start it for our art and speaking of suffering for our art and the creativity we do the purpose of this show this week is the theme of spitballing a few weeks ago we decided to create a whole new sector or segment of the show in which you guys just throw us sort of half-baked ideas and we kind of came up with this by accident when we interviewed our good friend taylor hughes and we decided to kind of keep rolling with that and then we thought

let's Let's dedicate an entire episode to spitballing. And I do believe we have a speak pipe, right, Josh? We do. So let's introduce the segment right now. Spitballing. Oh, yeah. Oh, Doug's going to do a real life one. I like what's happening here. Thing's broken. All right. We're going to play the first one, but we would love for you guys watching now to put Put your half-baked magic ideas in the chat for us to also, we're going to attack some as well.

Absolutely. And even if you're just sort of like sitting in the comfort of your home or if you're listening to this live in any sort of capacity, look around you, choose an object and go do something with a blank. So by all means, pop them in the comments. Looking forward to it. Yeah, that too. We look forward to sort of like freestyling whatever you guys can throw at us. So let's start with our first speak pipe.

Here we go. This one is from Seth, the magic of Seth. All right, so spitballing here. I am working on a prototype right now of gimmicked story dice, where each side of the die, instead of having dots for a number, has a different picture. And you roll a set of them, and then you tell a story based on whatever picture lands face up. I have a prediction idea and a drawing duplication idea. But I'm just wondering, what else would you all do if you had a set of gimmicked

story dice? Cheers. Thank you. Uniqued story dice. So just to confirm, it's a set of dice. He didn't say how many. So you could technically have unlimited dice, which all have different pictures. You're rolling it. What are we doing? I can already see Nick's gears turning. Okay. So I did something not too dissimilar from this in which I themed this whole routine. It was awesomely ridiculous. Anyone who's seen it, I just need to say the word dick man.

And if you've seen my act, I retired this routine a long, a few years ago now, but the premise was that we had like a Mad Libs. And for those of you that don't know what Mad Libs is, it's, it's stories with a series of incomplete sentences. And then what I did was I took suggestions from the audience. I had different colored papers.

I had about nine or 10 papers in different colors, and they would write down suggestions on each paper would have something like, think of a color, name a location write a write a verb write an adjective and they would write all these things down and then people would take the colors out and then complete the story and it resulted in a very hilarious confabulation at the end so sticking with the theme of storytelling.

You could make this a mad lib routine and the dice could ultimately dictate what the outcome would be for the story and you could tie together with a confabulation now for reference i took it to the extreme where we did this story and there was a front cover to the story like all storybooks should have and it was one that we colored in so we did a color match routine on top of a confabulation while that person was writing in the confab like writing in the confabulations aka

the mad lib i was doing a color match routine where we colored in this superhero because the story was called hero of the city and in that routine we had to go oh whatever's written on the purple piece of paper will be the logo on the hero's chest and they would grab it and like what's the logo and it's like cock what.

Like like a like a penis like yeah and i'm like okay and then i would draw a penis on the on the chest and then we colored this whole thing in and when we read the confabulation it matched not only that i had a comic book and the comic book also matched and then i would take off all my clothes and i would be wearing the exact same costume that we all sort of thought of and then i would have my assistant then come out with a leaf blower and he would like like this and

i would have my and i because i had a cape and my cape would like flutter away going on there and then i ran around the theater with my arms up pretending i was flying and would like climb over people and stuff but i'm too old and fat for that now at that point you got to just rig up the flying rig and take take air if you're gonna go that far you might just go on sail it sail it home oh man yeah but i think that that's what i would contabulation.

Story idea that's a great one yeah i like that storytelling roll a dice and away you go because you could even have it where even if you use real dice you know the mixture of real dice and so forth or if you had dice where you knew what the outcome was going to be and you just go i want you to take it in a cup and then slam it down on the table and whatever's face up is like what we'll do and you can stay here to affirm that but i'm going to write my prediction now and once you get

that information you could sort of like there's no way he could have known it was under the cup so there's a lot of ways you can take this but i love you got an idea for this dice trick because i got an idea that might work but i'm wondering if you got something in your mind mr josh yeah i'm i'm just trying to think outside of these great ideas that are already there so like obviously yeah so aside from that i'm thinking let's say the dice are genuine you could use it as a.

Roll the dice see the picture and then i want you to after seeing that picture give me a word that's like completely different to that and so you could create like if you have the master prediction chest for example you could predict you know six words that are completely different to, what they rolled that's still predicted everyone needs to bust out their master prediction chest Yeah. But yeah. Or it could be, I'm thinking hieroglyphics, some kind of hieroglyphic story.

And maybe you have a video showing where you went into a cave and you found these hieroglyphics. And then it shows in the video that it's like the exact same ones that were landed on. You can make it like a multimedia type thing in the show.

Or the other thing is maybe like one of them that like, maybe it's like a story about how. And so it's showing again, this is if you can control the outcome of what it lands on, but it could be like, you know, you're going to have to do this and this and, Telling a story and eventually leading to you getting your first tattoo.

And then the last dice that's rolled is the picture. And then you show on your arm, like that you have that tattoo maybe like, yeah, these are just the spitball and things that just fire off in my head. So I was thinking you could do some paddle move routines with these dice, something akin to the sex die routine where even one or two were side by side.

I don't know what would be on these dice but you could logically construct a story as you show the dice and the objects change maybe not visually but subtly there are visible changes you can do with even one or two dice and this avenue might be worth pursuing sax dice routine s-a-c-h-s if if you want to look it up yeah those are three pretty good ideas but i think yeah i think if if the notion is i mean we're leaning into it

being storytelling because it is a storytelling deck so i kind of think that being a storytelling thing there's a lot of narrative you can have there and the cool thing about it is that whoever you're performing for you can make the story about whatever pertains to them and their business they could be they could be farmers you know and you you know, oh, we cultivate oranges. I'm like, great, here's a story about farming. Oh, we are in IT security.

And you tell a story about security and you have the dice depict something to do with that particular realm. So there's a lot of creative leisure as far as presentation goes, but you could use the same method to apply to it all. So this has a lot of legs, man. I would encourage you to think this too. When you produce your kit, produce a blank one, which will allow you to vanish the objects on the dice at really a nominal extra charge when you produce this kit. So that's a thought.

You know, do a hands-on moment. Give it someone holds the die that's supposedly printed and now that has vanished. And then what? You know, it's... It's an avenue. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. And then of course you've got the, you've got the, uh, approach of like mental dye where you could be like, take any one of them you want, roll it, have a look out of, you know, the 50 different pictures that exist on six, seven different nights. I think I'm feeling warmth.

I'm feeling that I'm feeling you're looking at the sun, right? Maybe that's something. You could construct the images so that they're fishable, you know, have an anagram system that allows you to decipher, you know, there's systems for like.

Zodiac signs so if these were the 12 zodiac signs and they rolled that you could discern it that way not a bad idea zodiac nice huh is there 12 signs or is there how many zodiac signs are there actually don't know because i'm not i'm not a mentalist i'm not a female.

It's not like we have google right in front of my face that's true yeah but look these are all really good ideas and please pursue it and you're welcome to come back and ask us again we do have have the post and roast channel on our discord as well so you can put together an idea post it we'll roast it and you know offer any sort of feedback we can to make sure it's an awesome piece of magic but again thank you for sharing that beautiful piece shall we move on to the next one yeah so

we've got we've got a few rolling in and that's good everyone keep putting your ideas or just random objects in your house you couldn't think of what to do magic wise with it all right this one i'm going to read out slowly so we get the gist and the listeners get the gist this one's from drag race here one okay there are three selections two of the selections are signed one on front one on back the signatures are then fused onto the same card i have that part but

i want a third selection to appear on the signed card so we're talking about cards so we're talking about cards and there are three selections so two and i'm are they all signed i I guess is what we need to do anniversary waltz and then make another sign, sign a signature appear on the car.

I have a routine. I do that. I share in my lectures that I think could be really good. So it's not going to be a third sign selection though. Okay. So you can do an any volts. I think that as far as anniversary waltz goes, it's great because this is basically written already. You don't have to reinvent the wheel, but if you want a third equation in there, I suggest that you don't sign the third card and what you do instead is you tear the corner of a card.

Okay. I do a routine in which someone, I have a sign card and I do as part of an ambitious card routine. And then I get them to hold that sign card in between their hands. And I explain one way of making the card unique is by signing it. The other is by putting a very unique tear into it. I then tear the corner of a card. They take the piece, the last corner, the corner piece I have, I vanish. And I do this as that sign card is in between a spectator's hands.

I then say, if it's in between your hands, would that be a good trick? And they go, that'd be awesome. They then turn, open their hands up to see the corner piece is not there, but the card is. And I explain, and there's a lot of by-play that I have as far as like whatever reaction I get from them.

But I ultimately explain, oh, let me explain. If in between your hands is the playing card, then in between the playing card is the missing piece.

Feel the playing card. They then feel the playing card and there's a lump in it they tear open the playing card inside is a corner piece which is a perfect match to the one i just tore i think if you did two selections and the third one, you tore the corner which appears inside of that card you have a killer effect there drago oh that's great let me okay so we got we got a bit of extra info from drago as he was saying that So when he was saying yet,

so the third card isn't signed, it's just picked. So that would work perfectly. And then he also, I didn't also see, but he had another comment under his first one and he had some ideas too. He's like, like somehow shine a flashlight through the card and have the third selection appear in the bottom corner, maybe split a card, right? What selection I want to force and glue it back down. So he was kind of on. Let me speak on that last idea. I have it, I have it in my hand right here.

Okay. Okay, so if you could split cards and could make an anniversary waltz with this card, which has a miniature revelation in her hand... That is a way that you could make a third card appear on the back of two signed cards. Yes. Yeah, I like it. This, by the way, is from the weapons deck. And this deck offers a selection of cards revealing other cards. The listener at home won't see that miniature queen on the other queen. See if I can grab another one out here.

We've got that whole deck that azzy win brought out right where they're all queen of hearts but the queen is holding another card oh nice oh that's cool that's fun these these picture cards have revelations showing other cards so for example the king of hearts is holding one corner of a three of clubs the queen prior was holding a six of diamonds in her hand but you know like in a very very small hand in not in a very obvious way which is kind of cool like yeah Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting.

This could be signed and no one would notice. And then you do, you know, anniversary waltz and then when this would appear, it would be, you know, Oh, that's brilliant. So there you go. And that's yeah. So that's taken the anniversary idea even further. And if you really wanted to, we have a friend called Julian new here in Australia and he wants.

Yeah. So he wants sent me a playing card that was blank and he's like, no, no, shine shine a light through it and he had actually made a silhouette of me inside this blank card so when i held it up to the light i saw myself so there's ways to i mean obviously in cards have been brought out since no doubt you're hobson's or anniversary no doubt man you get a hobson's or anniversary waltz and what about your shine the light and it's in between yeah so what would be

great is if you You just use the light from your phone. They choose a card. You switch, double lift, whatever it might be from your deck. You then shine a light through it and show that it's actually like... So you have the card. You shine your light from your phone. Then you turn it around and you show it's a blank face. They're holding up their card. And then you just put your flashlight to it. And they can then see their card through the...

Through the light, like something like AIDS would be really prominent and look great through something like that. But what we're suggesting for Drago is you could build that into that double-faced gimmick card. So then it's like turn all the lights off at the wedding. Use this candle for that. You could even make it for revelations and build that in one and just, you know, and then do the torn corner and then eventually you get 52 revelations

built built into one card and then it's a wrap. That's crazy. I like it. Well, God damn. There you go. There you go, Drago. Now it's only good advice if you use it. Okay. So that's crazy.

All right. Next, should we go to the next, next pit bull? I like this. Scotty P. I'm just going to read it out. Here's the idea. A piece of origami paper is balled up and then placed into the participant's hand and covered.

They name an animal and then they lift their hand to find that that animal is made from the paper, god that's a good idea a great idea oh my that looks so good so the effect yeah so the effect that the spectator's feeling is you've just scrunched up some paper and then put it in their hand okay so the first thing that i'm seeing is you obviously could do some kind of a switch as as you get them to put their hand over and cover it, right?

Perhaps. Yeah. How about this as, as a method? You take out, you take out a book of origami. And so this is my origami book and you flip through it and you show all the figures at the end of the book is the paper. So you take a paper out, you're going to switch it behind the book. So you got your switcher ready to go. So you take the paper out, fold it up. You say here, hold this. And then your book is a Svengali pad. So you just say, so you're going to pick one of the figures.

Anyone you like, just say, stop. Oh, you pick the square open. And so, yeah. So they apparently have a free choice of the figure, which appears in their hand. Hmm. There's also that one where you have like the crane and you tap it around, like you sort of bounce it around and there's this, so you could also like do that as a kicker at the end. I used to do a thing where I took a playing card. I split it. I used to have it on my fridge, but I think I lost it in the move.

It might be in that bowl up there. But what I did was I took a playing card and I split it so it was easy to fold, and then I folded it into a butterfly. And what I would do is I would just do a simple kind of like this, squeeze and then drop a butterfly in my hand. That's really cool. Yeah, and then I got to keep the butterfly because it took two seconds to fold.

Using the origami crane takes the switch out of the equation equation perhaps like yeah using this auto fold device which is really cool yeah have you ever held one of those have you experimented with one what do you find that is the next question hopefully piper magic i'll find fine sponsor of the magic guys but i'm thinking like seo magic was the one distributing this effect seo magic yeah mary yed had had them for a while if i'm I'm not mistaken in the States.

If there was a way to, yeah, learn how it works. And then also, I guess, play around with other reveals as well. Man, the effect is so organic. For reference. That's what I would fold. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Actually, I wonder if I, I'm pretty sure I still have, I'm just going to grab it really quick. Does anyone remember the, the frog prints from Michael close? No. So my sister, It's an origami card, frog. Yeah. My sister is actually very good at origami.

So I asked her to get, take a whole deck and actually make me, once it stopped focusing on my head, actually make me little cranes out of playing cards. So she would split them into split the deck cause it's too hard to fold into a crane.

And so I have a whole bag of these and I just, I just make them appear from flash paper or whatever you know just to be as a little cute moment but i like that yeah and with nick's method combined of the card and then the this that's beautiful yeah i'll also also make mention that with regards to folding it there is a really cool effect using a crane denny garcia in the loop project that was originally released by like masika it doesn't actually use any loops to do but if you did look it up he's

got a way of folding up a bill right which you could use any sort of folding apparatus whether it be paper or a bill or something of that nature anyway when you when you fold it up you as you hold it the wings actually flap as well so just a little something to add to that but yeah it's it's kind of cool but i think ultimately if you were were if you were gonna do this in a in a in a way that becomes a worker i kind of feel the scotty p would want to do it like maybe with

a post-it pad you know what i mean like a post-it yeah something something you can keep on you easily yeah because it would be pretty easy to swap something like that you know because you could have it attached to the back or whatever else and you ask them to take off a piece and they bundle it all up you go cool hold that in your hand and when they open it it up. It's a sort of revelation.

And I also bring that up because if you want to do it in a smaller scale version, you can also get Svengali.com. Post-it pads as well. So just a little variation on that. Yeah. That's going to be a great way to have it on you. Yeah. Instead of the, the big origami Sphingali force deck. So combining the digital force bag and using the phone as an apparatus to switch the folded paper behind is what I was thinking too.

So all you got to do is have the folded thing here. You say here, here, fold this paper into a square and I'm going to need a number. I've got 20 origami figures here. Hold this, hold this. You've got 20 origami figures. Give me a number from one to 20 and oh, you pick the dog, you swipe to the dog and you've done the switch in that fashion. So there's an avenue that would allow you to do the trick with just the phone and two pieces of paper. Yeah. Yeah. I know how creative Scotty P is.

So I have no doubt that's going to, we're going to see a video of him doing that soon. Which we're going to keep an eye out for. What a great effect. Congratulations, Scotty P. Thank you for sharing that idea. And of course, being our animator, like the idea of having that, whatever he folds animate. Oh, crazy. Good, crazy. Good bit of kit. Thanks for sharing that Scotty P. Yeah. I'm going to have it on Murphy's next week. I'm getting that shit.

Absolutely. Now I saw one. Where was it? Someone said, I don't like Rubik's cubes, but where is it? Okay, it basically said, I'm not a fan of Rubik's Cubes, but how about doing a coin through cube was the question, even though I've lost it. Was that with the dice trick? Oh, here it is. Not a big fan of Rubik's Cubes, but how about a coin through cube effect? I'm pretty sure you might even be able to just push a coin through a cube because of the slots in it.

Someone was describing this trick the other day. two die are set on a table and a cylinder covers the dot the coin is vanished and appears between the die in the cylinder nice i've never seen this trick i just read it like i think maybe richard kaufman mentioned it on a greater magic forum or something like that what a cool trick so maybe something like that the coin appears under the cube magically yeah well if you had a small enough small enough coin i wonder if you could load

a coin into just one of the. Segments of a cube because you know you just pop off the the colors i'll tell you what i thought when i read this it was folding coin in cube so if there was a folding half dollar in one of the die and then as it was maybe lifted up in the tube it would expand inside i think the way i do it i I would fold trifold or even a half-folded cube in the gaps of the cube. You take the cube, you put your finger on top like this to hold that coin down.

I'm going to hold it with my hand and give it a shake, and it just comes out straight up. It's just the cleanest penetration of the coin going through a cube. You just give it a shake, and it just falls out. Everyone should take a look at BicCoin. BicCoin is very much this effect with a BicLighter.

Ooh, I like it. yeah yeah exactly right yeah what if you could what if you color a coin so then when it passed so you could do like the classic how you'd normally sit a coaster on a on a glass and you have the coin you know sort of pinched there what doug scotty p's comment, I almost had my coffee when I read that. All right, let me read this. What about a car that turns into a watch? Yeah, let's spitball that horrible idea. That would be unique, yes.

What I was going to say was, so that old idea of having a coaster, a cup coaster, you know, onto a cup and you've got the coin hidden in there and then you vanish a coin, hit the thing and it goes through, right, into the glass.

What if you had a colored coin and you have your ruby's cube and you say pick a color and they say red so you put the red face down on the coaster with the glass underneath and then you make the coin vanish and you go watch when it goes through the cube and into the glass now it comes out red because that's the color you chose what about a poker chip because they're not multi-colored yeah fuck my idea what about a poker chip i think like the way

you do is you can start with like a white poker chip and then you can do a whole routine where every time it touches a side it changes color so you can just do heaps of color changes with your coin work okay that does seem more organic and then do like a whole like oh look the green side and the red side are opposites but look if i go green and i push it falls through and becomes red so now the colors make sense because coins aren't colors really but if you that actually might

be the first good like the the first organic use of those Murphy chips that came out those, those poker chips. The sucker punch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it could be a routine where, yeah, like you just, when it touches, it changes color or you put it on top, wave your hand. And the idea is that the colors of the cube then influence the poker chip as opposed to the coin, because the coins is supposed to be silver or gold.

Yeah, well, Ed likes my idea. He said, I like the idea of the coin color change. So, you know, even my dog likes it. Your dog's down too. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, buddy. Oh yeah. I never, I never considered coins and Rubik's cubes. That's why we spoke ball. Although there was one video I made. This is not a Rubik's cube. It's a fidget spinner, but it's same colors as a cube. And I made a video where I pushed a coin into it.

It's part of my trick of day may and the coin vanished. And I got, it got so much attention because people were like, oh, you just pulled it out of the back of it, but then there's still no coin at the end of the video and then I made a second one just to taunt the people that thought they knew the method and I used a different method. And so that was coin going through, but then just vanishing into oblivion. Somebody had a card in Rubik's cube that ring a bell card in Rubik's cube.

I'm not seeing that, but, oh, here we go. Stephen Brundage and many others do a card corner inside a cube block. There it is. Okay. Verification from Thomas Conger. Merci. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I don't know about starting to take apart a Rubik's cube. That seems to be an uncomfortable moment, in my opinion. Well, the cube, I just so happen to have a whole bunch here because I give them away in my. How many cubes do you buy at a time?

I think 12. Just like eggs. I buy them. Do you have a preferred cube to buy, to give away, or that you use at all? I buy these from Henry Harrius. Those are good ones. Direct from his website. Yeah. How do we make him bigger? Oh, right, right, right. I got them right here. Boink. Yeah. Let me just, there you go. So you go to Henry Harris's website, you go to cube refills or whatever it's called, and you can choose how many you want to buy at once.

I also buy the bags that he sells to put the cubes in because it perfectly fits two cubes next to each other. Anyway. And, but what I was going to say, Doug, is it's very easy to just pop out a piece of a cube. It's not, it's not like I'm going to break it or whatever.

And now you've got this nice little slot that yeah you're right i was thinking you'd have to pull the actual cube off the thing but you don't have and for the listeners it's the centerpiece because the centerpiece never changes in a cube and that can actually be removed just for the listeners out there yeah that's the stuff yeah you know what i might uh i have some of his tricks i should have known that i might i might play with that this weekend when i do theater of magic.

Piece okay here's the report back i'll film it i'll film it if i do it i'll film it because i film every show and i'll uh i'll play it back next week as that sounds if you could make it not a card trick that would impress me and if you want to spitball that that's what i'm up for now like what appears in there besides i guess the coin would be a good crap yeah okay well let's let's spitball quickly then what else could appear inside the cube so it's a very small like a piece

of paper could here's an idea if you signed if you took a small coin and said i'm going to sign one side here you sign the other side and then that coin vanishes and then when you pop the the cube open the initials they see are yours and then as you pull that out the secret maneuver is made to bring their initials into view so it would be a double Double sign coin vanishes appears that way. I guess we're going back to the original thing. Yeah. Kieran Johnson did a routine in which.

That piece that you remove is actually signed and it appears attached to the cube but inside of a glass bottle like facing not the opening of the bottle so that's a little something to think about that guy's a legit genius he is out of control he really is yeah well i love kieran i jam with him occasionally and he's just like oh scott what is he another good one angle z z yeah so angle z is like the i guess the classic one that we're we're kind of thinking so if

i take a corner and i fold it up yeah this cube hole is pretty goddamn big that it would be pretty easy to fit it inside so like yeah so like that's pretty straightforward i think also think about this how many outs do you have now you actually oh yeah is this an index now you can index your entire cube yeah and holy moly so many different pieces of paper in there and just go like oh name one of these six things if not nine

to the power like 30 so yeah 9 8 27 36 45 54 you can have a whole deck in here yeah nick i know i'm an index that's got to be a thing i only can do indexes that's my thing. Whoa, this just got crazy. Yeah, boy. Scotty P came out with another one. Should we read that one out about the headphones? Oh yeah. So yeah, so I've, so this is a trick that Scotty does do. Cause I've seen this video already.

You place the special wire in a headphone cord, the type of wire that when it reacts to heat, it goes back into a pre made shape. He goes, I used hot coffee to activate it for the reveal.

What would you put the wire in and how would you reveal it so basically he's saying if you have headphones that the cord can then turn into a shape what would you use that to reveal and how would you heat it at ep you need to start directing your attention to becoming a professional magic product producer two ideas in a row that are just bangers are you kidding me using memory wire and a a headphone cord well we look at that our latest subscriber who is that murphy's magic block.

God i love does it work did he say he had he has a video on that i've seen it the wire forms into with the cord on it is there a way i'd love this what type of shape okay let's let's try gauge this the length of some headphones and then it would go shorter and shorter and shorter, the more heat you apply to it.

I'm wondering if you could have it so you use a type of eggy force bag sort of thing, if you know what I mean, and they choose a artist and they tap a song and the song starts playing and only they can hear it right on the headphones. And then as the heat's applied, you hold up the headphone wire. And as it comes together like this, it starts to to take shape and spell whoever they're listening to oh yeah that's good that is magic for humans good.

That's a great effect. And I don't know, no matter what you do, you can go wrong here. There's so like, yeah, I mean, again, I'm going back to digital, digital force bag. It's perfect. Tie in with the phone, you know, you get your head. If you somehow integrated it with the app of sorts in which it was on disguised as Apple music or Spotify.

And what happens is they scroll through because like, you know, you hold the phone face down, scroll through tap once and listen to the song do you know the song and they're listening to it and then you apply heat and it spells lizzo or maybe it's just a simple image that forms that denotes the song in question you know i'm bright like a diamond and it makes a diamond yeah right yeah.

Would you and and when you're saying and you apply heat like how are you applying heat do you think to the headphones that's the question that's interesting because a part of me is thinking in like if you if you were holding it that you could apply heat from each end that would then conduct its way through perhaps yeah or if you're just in australia in general okay i know how i would do it for social media and i would have to like not have audio playing

but i would just have like a heat source have a hair dryer a hair dryer some kind of.

Yeah and then i would just hold the thing and kind of move it over the heat sources that came together as it blows up over the wire that's how it says flash paper is the best yeah that would work with headphone casing perhaps this is good this is good you guys you guys put in how you think you would apply the heat yeah but yeah i would i would probably have to identify the amount of heat required in order to get that i would have to understand what

type of heat is required does it need to reach 30 degrees celsius 20 what does it need to reach it well it's very fast like when you use the memory wire the one with the card reveal it's literally just like you have a lighter you literally just go like that and it goes it's pretty quick probably do the same thing you know using using that it would be great if you just sort of did it with your hand and as your hand went over it as it went yeah without burning

burning the the the rubber that that's that's gonna burn it that's gonna burn it yeah or maybe is it that you have the headphones like it's in your your shirt or whatever and it's come out and it's just chilling here and then you do the reveal and then you as you take them out you show it's already pre-squiggled and you have a question show that when it's when it's squiggled slash activated can i pull it apart and put it back together and it still maintains its shape.

So how it works is you can you can re-twist it to do be whatever you want it's just that when you heat it it will always come back to the memory it was no i understand but like when it's activated if i pull it and then and then like let me oh when it's hot you're saying once it's activated and it has its shape if i tension it and then untension it will it go back to the to the shape it's that we originally had yeah i imagine if the there's still heat being applied it would do that.

You know i like it this is what we're doing also thank you pasha he also mentioned that um with the rubik's cube thing there isn't actually 54 sides to a cube because obviously each one like, like just because there's a different side to a cube two of them are still part of the same time like cavity so there really isn't so it's really 6 12 18 i guess 18 cavities to oh man yeah you could use you can use a genuine playlist and force this thing i have ideas scotty we'll chat in

the discord it'll be great damn yeah yeah we'll chat in the discord i have yeah yeah yeah I've just thought of a way you could do this un-gimmicked with your phone and force everything. Yes, I just figured it out then.

It's a good one. Oh, boy. Nick, when are you going to make some new videos, man? I am in the process. I'm going to try and film 10 brand new videos. So one of the things I love doing most on the socials is doing magic challenges where people will message me and say, do a trick with chicken nuggets, do a trick with whatever it might be. So I've hired a guy to start managing my social media. so that he does all of that stuff and I could just focus on the creative.

And that's why I've done that. I'm trying to make space and time to actually do more creative stuff like this. So yeah, count me in.

All right when when when are we going to see one well i want to do 10 videos done and release like one a week and then as people are giving me suggestions start producing more and more so i'm sort of like doing seasons if you will so that way just it's a lot more consistent nick's over there working smart not hard he's gonna bat shoot everything ship it off to dylan and then watch the views come in that's the idea this is what you can do when you work enough gigs to pay for

a team yeah but dylan's doing great he obviously does a lot of stuff for us at magic guys and he's now managing my stuff great kid thank you dylan for all your service let's press on i see one here from thomas which actually this effect already exists so we just touch upon this one real quick, thomas says what about something where the effect you tear a card in half and and both pieces are fused together with signatures on them.

Axel Hecklau, we spoke about this last week, who has an effect like this. And it's a beautiful piece where you can tear them, put them back together, even mismatch. So one's facing forward, one's facing backward, and it's signed and it gets put together that way. That's a really good bit of kit. So I would suggest looking at Axel Hecklau's routine. I believe it's called Fusion, but it's spelled with a Z if memory serves.

But But Axel Hecklau, amazing creator, scoped that one out. That answers that one pretty, pretty well. Dope. And Blake Voigt has one as well. I think he sells it as a download. Oh. It's actually this way. Instead of going the top half and bottom half of a card, it's actually vertical split in half. Ah. So the signature ends up here and here. Yeah. Doug, is that ringing a bell to you? It does from Blake Voigt. I was thinking Siamese Twins does that too, but it might not be torn and restored.

I think it is. Okay. I've got, I have an idea. This is one that has always perplexed me and I haven't found a good thing yet. Every single event we go to corporate events, everyone is holding wine glasses. Okay. So I've always been trying to find like, what is the best routine you could use where instead of getting them, cause I'm always doing routines and I'm like, all right, I'm going to need your hands for a second.

And then they sit down their wine glass or they give it to someone else and then they participate. But what is, I've been trying to think, what is a great effect where like they, I can just incorporate that.

The stems of the glass into the routine or you know what i'm saying how do you involve it to make it organic what do you got there is there is a marketed effect that was a maybe five years ago now and it is a torn card we tear the center of it and then you link it the souvenir the souvenir thank you it's called yeah yeah so that is definitely possible it was definitely possible but then are you going to carry the setup for that but maybe this too himber ring you know it's uh you could

link a finger ring onto the stem it's a little too perfect you'd probably want to structure this with some other props involved but that's a great visual in my opinion nice what about actually that's great that's great what about like using rings like macedo rings you know the small scale linking rings and you can just and then show it's attached and go through to the bottom so it's a penetration that goes through but you just come clear of it so there's another

little idea if you do rove with rings yeah i like that yeah the idea of if someone has an empty glass them holding it this way and then you do something with impossible with the stem for sure now that i'm thinking about it because the only thing i was really could come up with at the time was like you know two wine glasses next to each other with a band going around them you know you do some of the band magic.

But then, and then there's also the, the, the really great wine effect where you break the stem of it, right? Like I've seen Michael Amar teach it in his lecture. Yeah. Sam Angelico teaches it in his lecture where you accidentally bump a glass and you break this, the bottom of it off, show the bottom, put it back on again. That was a Daryl trick. Oh, Daryl. Yeah, of course. Oh, of course. Cause Michael's doing it. It's someone else's.

Isn't that right just yeah and it was daryl's trick maybe not with a wine glass though i think daryl just had a regular and i saw a lecture on it he just kept a regular bottom of a glass in his hand and would just knock it out yeah david penn had an effect where he would do like a bending wine stem as well which would yeah that's true maybe i should just look into that kind of thing where it is like a one-off effect you do in the room for sure yeah i i was trying to think of like Like, you know,

something that's impromptu, that's like a go-to. You can sort of do it every group with the stuff you maybe already have. Carson's Drink, where you can levitate the wine glass, is also a really cool effect. The gimmick's super cool. It takes up little, no real estate in your pocket. Like, it is a very good, very good effect. And you can literally levitate it out of someone's hands if you wanted to. Like, it's very strong. And hand it back to them with liquid inside.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My buddy, Christopher Wayne is learning that at the moment. I'm still not fully satisfied. I still feel like there's something that could be used with the glass that's like just impromptu, but a banger. Do you do rubber bands? Rubber bands, yeah. Well, what if you got them to hold their wine glass top and bottom and you go, look, it's on the wine glass. I can't get it off, blah, blah, blah, and then go through the wine glass?

Yeah, that's good. Not really. It's not good.

It's like okay it's okay yeah there's one card trick i like just because we can doesn't mean we should that's the thing right yeah like there is a card trick where you you had the you have a red ace and a black ace you put one at the on the bottom so they sign a card then you show red ace goes on the bottom put the glass on top show the black ace put it on top of the glass put the whole deck on top and then they penetrate through right what this one goes to the top of the deck

the one that's down here goes to the bottom of the deck and then the one under the wine glass is their selected card maybe i should start doing that a bit more but uh the souvenir you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna look into the souvenir because it is a really good effect that i just never took the time to really delve into and learn but that could be one avenue with a rubber band might be if it It could be marked in some way, and it vanishes and appears around the stem surprisingly.

Like, this is going to be smaller than the base. So it's an obstacle for the object to appear on. And maybe it's, there it is, and now it's there. Could be a visual penetration. But here's what's going to make this trick better. If this isn't a rubber band, if it's something organic that makes sense in the environment, Maybe it's a napkin. You could take the napkin, tear the center out, have them sign the center or something like that, or they hold the middle.

And then the next thing you know, it's the circle of the napkin is enveloped the. That's cool. And then, and then of course there is also David Penn's chop cup he brought out, which is using a wine glass. It has to be a new, a new, you know, empty one, but that's, that's, I did purchase that, but I just never, it didn't feel good hitting the lip of a glass wine glass, like on a table to do like loading and felt weird.

We'll come back to it. The souvenir I'm going to look into. I like Doug's ideas. I like, now that I think about it, you could do, cause there is a routine I do with, with a rubber band where I get them to put their hand out like this and I opened the rubber band up and put it around their hand. So it's like, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. So the rubber band opens, I put it through their hand and then I seal it back at the top.

That's so cool. But maybe a wine glass is cool because you have it sideways. You do that. And then once you have passed the point of safety, you could have someone put the other hand on the other end. So it seems like it's just gone around this and then it's left hanging there. Maybe that's, you know what, that's, that's what I'm going to play with. That's gotta be, that's gotta be worthy of a like and share. That's I'm happy with that.

We can all go home now. That's great. All right. Was there one, was there one more? Was there, is there something you've been perplexed by Doug? Every day, every day. I know magical challenges that enter my brain. Yeah. Is there one, is there something that's unsolved for me that I thought you were going to get every day? What's this lump? I mean, the older I get, the more I feel that way.

It's like, Oh man, I do it. I do a new production every morning. Um. I did want to mention, I saw a comment asking about the Winter Carnival of Magic and what and when I'll be there. I'll be there and active all weekend long. Aaron and I are arriving Wednesday. My event is Thursday evening and then Friday and Saturday. I'll be enjoying the convention like everyone else. So I missed that comment earlier and I'm answering it now.

Oh, nice. Yeah, you're really on the circuit. circuit are you planning to like is there an is there an amount of conventions and things that you're allowing yourself to do or you just seeing what no comes in just take it as it comes past this one going to an event with some of the guys from the the the pod here jimmy and bob will be meeting up at another event in arkansas the cavalcade of magic but i'm not actively pursuing suing these things people call me and if i'm available i say

yeah i'm happy to be doing the winter carnival it's a great event especially this one this week that's awesome yeah we'll catch doug there or be square and i'm going to i'll do it in one show i think i'm going to play around with something appearing inside the cube i'll film it and i'll report back next week. And yeah that's it all right so i think nick you've had some great ideas today so i think i I feel like it's time for you to do the final word today. How do you feel?

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