Spitballing Spectacular #185

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 185 of the Magic Guys. To my left, we got Nick Kay. Welcome to the show, friend. Oh yeah. Now, last week, it's only fair that last week there was one of us not here. It was, it was Doug Kahn and Nick Kay. And now this week, Doug Kahn has taken it upon himself to enjoy his public holiday in the US. And so us Aussies are going to take the episode. We're going to, we're going to take the cake today and we're going to take the cake today, mate.

Well, it never goes well when we don't have adult supervision. That's the thing, right?

Like, you know what, when we don't have Papa Doug monitoring our behavior, things go awry, which i think is why everyone is signing in with so much excitement and all the folks that are signing in let's give them a shout out we have dumbest tom dumbest dumbest dominating conger uh we have the christian magician we have kate and we have tim askin my good friend gary davis we also oh and and speaking of tim askin uh among all the other wonderful

people who are here like scotty p and so forth our friend tim askin actually went to the premiere of one of the things we spoke about on last week's podcast which of course was the film with john i don't want to say surname correctly or nay god or no way damn it okay. Is it going to load once I get my face out of the way? Yes. Yeah. Well, okay. For those of you who weren't listening last week, we had the amazing Sean Farquhar and amazing director, John Anoy, not Ornay. Anoy? Yeah.

It's Ornoy. O-R-N-O-Y. Yeah. Just like Mortine. Mortine Fresh. But they were talking about an amazing film called Lost in the Shuffle.

And it's of course about the whole mythology of playing cards and tim asker went and saw it he posted some really cool photos and even more cool than that he wore the magic guys t-shirt so thank you tim for representing please for representing one of us buddy you are holding the flag high for magic guys and girls all across the planet so thank you for representing now yeah that was pretty darn cool that

was pretty super cool now and i gotta i gotta say it was pretty darn cool to be driving to a gig, listening live to our podcast. And I thought you guys did a great job at orchestrating it all. And isn't Sean just so easy to get to talk? Like he seemed to just have a whole body of info to deliver with any question that was asked. Totally agree. I think when you're that full of knowledge that it's just easy to spit things out.

And when you're among people who are more life experienced and have done so much, there's just so much to talk about. He's such a pleasure. And the thing is, everyone here in Oz, especially in Melbourne, there was a convention many years ago. So he came here, met everyone and so forth. I wasn't actually in Magic at the time. So he hasn't been in Melbourne,

to my knowledge, for over 17 years, I suppose. So- It was nice to actually meet him finally and appreciate how wonderful he is because everyone speaks so highly of him. So I hope you guys really enjoyed that episode because we had a blast chatting to him. It's a shame you missed out Josh, but thank goodness. I was there. I was there in spirit and I sent her a speak pipe and I was, yeah, I was listening. I was on my way to do a gig for Google.

Don't want to, you know, don't want to throw names out there, but that was fun. Wonderful. Now, as far as this week goes, friends, we all right. I'll talk about it.

I'll talk about it. it was google it was you know i'll just quickly brush up on that since nick asked really fun i got to keep a google shirt they gave me a bunch of merch and i went undercover as a google pixel nine specialist and slowly we pretended like the theme was magic and that we at all as specialists learned like a little magic thing to show the crowd so i i taught the other two to do just a really simple like one guy was doing the electric

deck with a deck that's all stuck together so you You can spring it and stop it midair. I think I was doing a little silk gag with the, you know, name a number up to five and they laughed at that. And then I'm like, all right, cool. Name a card. And then I just start springing the cards and shooting it out and catching it. And everyone's like, what the fuck? And what's really interesting. And I'll post of it. It'll probably be my next video that goes up on Instagram is the height of.

Excitement and applause and awe that the audience gives to someone that they don't know as a magician is so absurdly higher than when they know you are that it was really interesting. Like it got such a heavy response for such a simple thing I would do as an Oprah in a show, but because they weren't expecting it, it was like, The reaction was like up here is wild. I just throw that out there. That's great. Did they leave you a Google review?

They did. I got a five star review from Google. Let's go. I did ask them if they could help me out with Google AdWords, but they're like, sorry, we don't have access to that. Apparently, Google is separate entities. Like, you know, the Pixel 9 phone is kind of separate to, you know, Google head office to AdWords and stuff like that. But, boy, it was fun. Yeah, it's like I work in the service department. I can't get you a Ferrari. I just change the tires on it. Right.

Exactly, exactly. And thank you, Adonis. Love your heckling clip. So that, yeah, that video was, that is on my Instagram right now is going nuts. It's probably, it's almost up to, as I talk right now, almost 150,000 views, which is oh, redonkulous. And that was from Google. And funnily enough, the guy that was the heckler found that clip and he messaged me and was like, I'm not a heckler with all these like sad faces.

And I was like, oh no, man, like it's a positive thing. You know, it's gotten so much attention from the video. I can't thank you enough. And he's like, ha ha, just kidding. I'm a heckler. Next time I'm going to shuffle the cards too. And I was like, ha ha ha. Funny guy, funny guy, funny guy. Yeah, so I filmed all four shows that I did with Google, and it's just about picking the interesting parts that I like to share with the online audience.

So, yeah, yeah, thanks for asking, Nick, just so I quickly mention that stuff about Google.

Yeah, that's really cool. Anyway, you were saying? What did they serve at the thing? Did they feed you? What kind of meals did they have? Let's really dive into this Google experience.

Well, I'll tell you what. They had a main floor with all the different trade show booths of your your main companies because this is for the the telstra frontline conference so in australia telstra will just bring in all these kind of speakers and stuff for all the telstra stores just for reference to the international listeners telstra is a telecommunications.

Probably our biggest one in australia so you know yeah i think and tower goes through that let's not assume anything joshua sorry you're right you're right i think in the u.s it's called telco maybe But it's like our main operator, right? It's like one of the main default ones. So they bring in all of the customer service call centers to come in, as well as all of the Telstra stores, all the head office people. It's like 1,200 people to do with Telstra. That's a good number.

Yeah. Google was one of the main sponsors, so that's why they had their own breakout session with me involved. They also had Samsung. sung. Interestingly enough, Apple doesn't even bother to appear at this conference because they have 60% of the market share in Australia anyway. And there's a few others, but so in the main room, yeah, when it's lunchtime, they rolled out a massive spread of food.

I'm talking wraps, I'm talking burgers, salads, pastas, all on like a buffet kind of tray enough to feed 1200 people And free soft drink, Nick. I can't tell you how much I appreciate a free Coke No Sugar. That is awesome. She's going to say, you do not seem like a soft drink consumer or that you have any sugar at all. Like it's, yeah. You don't know me. You know the 2D version of me. No, I'm very, I mean, look, right now I'm drinking a mother, but it is a zero sugar mother.

And so, yeah, Coke, no sugar, Pepsi Max. When I have a full strength, full strength, a Coke with sugar in it. When I have a Coke with sugar in it, it just is a little too much for me. Like the sugar hit, I'll have a, you know, cause then you have the dip and get tired. But I find this just sort of gives me a bit of a bazinga and I can keep going.

Doesn't, doesn't bother me. But the thing I'll just end on is in this trade show area where all of the main companies are set up, I think next to Apple, Samsung is the next biggest share of the market because they have, and what I also didn't realize is Google owns Android, like as in the app maker, like iOS is owned by Apple. Google actually owns Android, which is what all the Samsung phones use to operate all their apps as well, which is interesting.

So Samsung had the biggest booth in the trade show area and what What they did as a big F you to everyone is they spent $1 million building what looks like a life-size yacht.

In the middle of the trade show exhibition area and it looks like it's half submerged in the water so it's it's the half that would be above the water that's sitting on the ground and they've made it look like it's in water they had full-on decks on board this fucking ship that got built like in the convention center for this purpose there's a dj stand you're saying this is where a trade show stand this is the exhibit area yeah the trade show area but they've just paid to have

the entire middle cut out of this area whereas everyone else is sort of along the walls of this massive convention center and they've spent a million dollars and on board i can't believe i'm saying that on board this ship which is.

Not real there was a dj deck there was like all these levels of stuff happening people could actually lay on like beach chairs like within this ship within this convention center and and yeah the google people are telling me once this convention ends it's all just getting trashed like it's all just getting dismantled and they've literally spent a million dollars just to be like hey we are awesome and it'll go into a container somewhere somewhere it'll end up at the the what's

it called the wolf something or other storage where they keep all that stuff and then it'll have to come back out it's too big a prop for that to happen so i mean there was a lot of branded signage for this particular 2024 conference but that that was the word on the street it cost a million dollars and it's all getting biffed like in two days time.

Yeah i mean it's phenomenal how much money goes into these trade shows i remember doing trade shows back in the day when i was working the audio visual game and we would put i think like a couple of months profit into putting into doing our stand and you know we would go all out this is prior to me getting into magic so it's yeah it's it's money to be spent money to be gained so and it's a statement so yeah yeah that that's what it really was was a statement,

But I must say, you know, I think everyone got a lot more entertainment out of just having me for a fraction of that cost. I hope that influences the spectacle and I hope that it gives more opportunities for magicians to do more trade shows because this just doesn't seem to be a market that we have here. So I think that creatively, if we can penetrate that market and influence people to do more, I think that would be great for all involved.

Absolutely. And little shout out to our bro, Adam Axford in Sydney.

And he referred a trade show client to me here in Brisbane, which I'm doing next Monday. So thank you, sir. I got a gig from our fellow Magi because that's the community we try to build in Australia to get gigs for our friends. And he, so funny you say trade show, I'm actually doing one on Monday from our mate in Sydney. So yeah. What a world we live in, Nick.

Absolutely. And if you haven't listened to Adam Axford's episode, we should probably drop a link for that because it's one of the most prolific episodes and the amount of advice and knowledge he can like the feedback we got in that episode was phenomenal so after listening to this one do a little back search look up adam axford and scope out that episode for sure absolutely now nick what have you been up to really quick i've talked about myself a lot how

many what's what's the latest with you what's going on gigs lots of gigs gigs conferences just going through my phone as we speak to check how many i did end of the month is always busy on two three four five.

Only six this week so yeah and i had like two full through this week which is a bit of a shame but i've been busy i gotta do a conference tonight and then i'm gonna meet with my prop builder afterwards which i'm really excited about i'm building some new stuff yes i'm working with well there's a gentleman that i've been meaning to work alongside for a while and we weren't the closest of friends but it was like i knew him and he knew me so what i did was i actually

put together a whole deck of these ideas that i had and i sent him one and i was like this is a deck, and with all the scribbles and drawings and things for my notepads and things like that and like things that I want to sort of have achieved. And I sent it to him with video explanations and everything like that. And I was like, here's a deck of what I want to create. Do you want to do a project with me?

And he was like, I'm on board. And so I'm going over to his place tonight to do a couple of things. And I think that he's already like duct taped up some prototypes. And I was just sort of like put together an invoice. Let's just get the ball rolling. So stay tuned for that level of creativity which is perfect for leading into what this episode is about.

Because what it's about, friends, is spitballing. It sure is. And to make sure I'm ready for that, we're just going to bring it back one more time. So what we're talking about today is spitballing. Spitballing. There we go. We are professional. So we, I reached out to our friends in discord.

If you're not in the discord, I believe there's a link to it in this video where we just sort of more behind the scenes, more shenanary, shenanary, shenanigans, like posting photos of us in our green rooms before our gigs or roasting each other with our videos, all that fun stuff. Anyway, if you're interested, you can, you know, be a nerd with us, but I put out there, I'm like, Hey guys, as we're doing this, send us your spitballs.

And essentially a spitball is ideas you have that aren't maybe fully flushed out yet, or something new you discovered or a premise you want us to explore. And our first one here comes from Seth. I believe Seth's in the chat today, but let's go ahead and that's it.

So with our word, let's play his spitball and I'm going to watch Nick for the audio level okay here we go hey hope y'all are doing well uh spitball in time so i live in nashville tennessee where more than half of the people i perform for are musicians myself included used to be in a band hey and i've had the idea of instead of doing coin magic to do it with guitar picks and outside of sort of making a split pick and doing sort of like a copper silver type routine,

I am struggling to think of other things to do. So I was wondering what y'all got for me. Cheers. Oh, here we go. I can see Nick's brain just firing off. Take it away. So let's identify what we're talking about. We're talking about the pic, the plectrum, and that as a actual object, a prop. What can you do with that? So you got the premises and magic. So you got transposition.

So instead of doing a coins across, you can do a pics across cross with really fun goshman pinch type going across i would like to see what you could explore with actual gimmicking the picks themselves so for example they come in many different colors so you can do you know yellow on one side red in the other and then do copper silver things of that nature or just color changing options as well you're probably just as easily you know stick two of them together because

they all for the most part if you're using the tortoise ones picks that i have they'll be the same size i also wonder if you could do like a shell, for something like this there's some particular shot picks that are called like teardrops and they're engineered for really fast playing but for plucking and i wonder if you could do something where you sort of did that type of pickup pick a shell up or or this thing of that nature i

think that would be really fun too but i think that it really opens the door up because ultimately Ultimately, you're just going, let's look at coin stuff we can do. For a close-up, if we're doing it in a close-up setting, which being a small prop, I think we should stay that way. But what coin routines could you do and apply it to a pick? I wonder if you can muscle pass it. Give me a sec. While he grabs one, let me also point out Scotty's comment saying you could

also play with the patter of pick a card, which is interesting. So you can say pick. Oh, here we go. It's sharp.

No? No good? No. oh it's just one try here we go because it's sharp on the corner so when you try to muscle pass it it just kind of ow oh okay what about retention what about a little retentiony vanish okay so i mean you could do stuff up here right and then that's right that's good that's good like bring it back again right very easily you can sort of do transfer and then production as well so there's a so if you just

play with all your coin slides in this type of thing because you could do like down down's palm yeah i mean i could i could obviously see you doing a three fly, right easy i i would i would do a lot more like pick on shoulder pick under watch, type stuff yeah i would just use this what about what about the idea of just just for variety what What if you peel a card back and actually put a pick into a card?

Let's say we roll with what Scotty P was saying with pick a card, pick a card, you force that card on them, then you have a pick and you do a vanish that Nick was just doing and it reappears inside the card that they are holding, that they've picked. That's kind of interesting, right? As a plot, pick to impossible location.

Yeah. you could do picked yeah you always thought as well if you cut a hole in the center of it perhaps we had like a big pick and then you were like we need to pick a word and then what you do is so let's say that you have like i'm just like okay it's like imagine this were a book, you know and you like just put the the pick over the word and they go like this like and with their finger and they cover it and then when they say stop they move it away way and you can read the word

oh yeah right right as well so you're gonna pick a word pick this if you're gonna play on yeah i've always thought it would be cool to do a routine where you're playing the guitar you've shown your pick and as you're playing you're doing the process of elimination to name a card and by the end your guitar makes a funny sound and then people realize you're picking with a card now like a folded up card oh yeah gabrielle gabrielle did that actually in his act,

there's a whole song that he wrote with it the card that you discard or something like that and it's actually on like Apple Music you can go and scope that out. Yeah, yeah. And basically, but his motivation was different because he actually folds a card first and then they choose a card. And it's the one that he folded up at the very beginning being the one they thought of as opposed to it being a transformation.

Yeah. And that would be really clever because you could just do your plectrum through the whole routine, finger palming a mercury-folded card and just throw this into the sound hole.

Oh, yeah, you've got your own topic. it because you got a hole you got a hole in the guitar so let's just say that you had like in finger palm and you're playing away and then just do the a little shoot into your hole of the guitar and it just appears could you somehow this is going pretty out there but could you somehow have an index system within the guitar inside that with a magnet you can like pull it out of the.

From wherever it is inside the acoustic guitar to out you know i would put it on the back of it oh yeah the back might be easier such a huge level of real estate behind it and you could just sort of you know actually you're right and then you could just ditch the at some point if you wanted to yeah i would you know discard the back stuff yeah wow so you could have yeah so imagine you have an index system on the back of the guitar if it is the card version you're playing with your pick and

at some point you find a way to load that from the back and you can sort of even if you want to do it visually you could wave the pick and push the card in front of it you know this is good yeah it would be a really really fun idea or even just to like i mean i don't know how much it would cost yeah but like for example you'd be like you know for 50 cents and you can do like a change into the pick yeah so like i mean i mean you could even you know that latest which i have somewhere

tobias dostol's liquefy you could even do that to a pick for sure you know i prefer my picks to be a little sharper so i melt them down first and boom there we go oh yeah Yeah, perfect. Yeah. Take someone's. That's, there's a lot of fun stuff to be had with pics.

Just discovering more and more. Obviously you could, you could do like that, um, Hershey's kiss trick that Cyril Takiyama created where you have an image of a pic appear on the back of a card and it's on their sign card and then you pop it off into the hand into real life and the picture's gone. Yeah. Yeah, you can also write stuff on these as well. And you can make a revelation appear on this very, very easily just by doing a simple rotation of a pick because it's double-sided.

So you could do something where you could do something almost to the effect of that. You know, it's that routine where you just put marks all over a playing card and then you do a diamond change and then it changes into their name. You could do stuff like that, you know? Can you do a flipstick kind of move with a pick? Yeah, you would do it just like you would a double-sided coin, though.

But the answer is yes you can totally show yeah you can do a matrix really easily as well yeah so people are mentioning some a couple of things signed pick to shoe that's interesting shadow coins with picks pick to watch which i think we were mentioning pick the symbol yeah plastic yeah you know yeah absolutely and if you're doing that simple flip stick move you could just you know on On the fly with the Sharpie, you could put like two and then a diamond, right?

And you show that it's just a pick. You put it in their hand, but on their fingers. So when they close it, now you do your magic, get them to pick two diamonds. And when they open, it's going to show two of diamonds because it's flipped over from them closing their hand. Fun stuff, man. All right. That was cool. I think that's a good amount of stuff to work with. What do you think?

Yeah. and you know when you come up with ideas my guy seth just like by all means take a photograph share them in the discord we are a community we can play with this for as long as you like man um he also mentions here i had an idea of one picking with writing on both sides a one pick with writing on both sides the others only have one side have them drop them and eliminate them oh that's a great idea you know that whole thing you drop them and you drop them until Yeah,

that's a great idea, Seth. Yeah. I like it. All right. Let's go on to our fellow, very creative brother, Scotty P. Scotty P! Oh, I just realized. Extension of something that Nick K. Oh, damn it. All right. All right. So he's just said, hey guys, it's Scotty P, Myth Trick Magician. This is an extension of something Nick K has touched on. Okay. I'll keep going. He did it at the Theater of Magic. So he did this trick where he peeled numbers off a calculator and made them disappear.

Here one by one for my brother's birthday i actually had him select a card and i left it face up on the table and i then used a calculator force to force his birthday onto the calculator and peeled his birthday numbers off one by one threw them onto his card and then when he turned the card over on the back were the white numbers that made up his birthday and i just used white stickers that i got from a dollar store okay nice and on the screen is the reference of scotty

what he's talking about with the numbers that look like the same font as calculator on the card nick yes so the premise of this would be use an iphone calculator you put the numbers which will be showing in white on a black backdrop as you peel them off one by one you throw them onto the back design of a playing card and so yeah that that's actually to me seems like a really fully fleshed idea like there's very little that needs to be sort of done there yeah i think you're right that's

something that you yeah like you just came up with this to do for your brother i think you said but you know that seems like something that could continue to be performed yeah i mean. And then you sort of created an impossible object where you have a playing card if i were going to to make a suggestion. There's these little alligator clip things. I'm going to grab it. Give me one sec. Is this the thing I think you're showing us from Magic Life?

No, I'm just saying you get these little things, right? So you just get a little alligator clip. They've got weights. My one has love hearts on the bottom. But you can clip this on a card for them and then go as a gift, and then they keep that. And it just makes this a little bit more permanent for the little not even $1 investment for a bunch of these. I just think that would be something.

Would be kind of nice and they would keep that you know like he did that if you did that for a family member or a friend or a corporate in any capacity because you could the premise of this actually goes a lot further than what you think like i mean yes he did it with a he did it with with a calculator but what if you took the premise of something being written and appearing on a playing card right let's say that you you got rid of like one word from a menu which you just

erased out what if you look you know like what if you scratched out like one of the pips of a playing card here so they chose a card you cover it with your finger but then with the pip missing you took it off and you threw it on the back of their playing card here and then you just clip it and give it to them these would just be little moments that if people if you make it something that's a souvenir that can be nicely displayed it just means that

there's always going to be a little reminder that you exist. Here we go. Or yeah. Or a friction pen, even better. Yeah. So the friction pens, if you don't know. They're ink that can vanish when heat is applied to them. So it's a really magical thing you can do when you apply a lighter and you just see these words vanish off a page, for example. So. I think that it's really cool to be able to apply that. I remember I did it for a friend of mine who was moving to the US, was moving to New York.

He only just came back recently and we reconnected. It was awesome. And we used to have a saying as we were sort of coming up in our younger 20s. And we used to say to each other, I'll see you when you get there. Knowing that we were destined for greater things.

And it was so it was always like just keep going i'll see you when you get there keep going i'll see you when you get there and we always made a promise that like we would meet when we're in better places right because we were working really hard and we came from nothing and before he moved to the u.s i wrote down this whole script on a on a like going away card and i wrote it for him, and then i gave it to him and he read it and he

was like that's really cool man and then i grabbed the lighter and i made all the ink vanish and at the end of it the only words that remained said i'll see you when you get there and let's go and he loved it and to my knowledge i think he still has it like it's um those little moments that you that you get to keep and i think scotty was on the money like doing it with an important date to go on the cat like using the calculator is just.

Like so strong, you know, so great combo, Scotty, you know, he's coming up with some great things. His, uh, his gig, your gig, Scotty must be coming up soon. We talked about it on a previous episode of big charity gala in Brisbane. Scotty got booked, got himself booked for reached out to them and got booked. So, you know, maybe something to savor for that group that are invested to watch you again and see you do something really crazy. You know, he says it's this Saturday.

So yeah man yeah yeah with that level of creativity man you were gonna crush it but i think that like the interesting part i mean the routine itself i don't think particularly needs work the one you did for your brother but when you dissect the pillars that hold up what makes it a strong effect, is the fact that something is appearing on the back of a playing card is like one of the pillars the other pillar is that it's personal and it's important

and so the important thing being what was written, the birth date, the company's logo, the slogan, the message of I'll see you when you get there. And I think that when you look at the pillars of what makes it a strong routine, man, you got a lot of creativity there. Scotty, we're going to need a debrief. Maybe it's a video, maybe it's a speak pipe.

We're going to need a debrief of how your gig goes because it's exciting to see someone that's been a hobbyist and enthusiast for a long time get thrown into to the trenches of, of unsuspecting muggles. So mate, that's great. And you know what? It's this Saturday. So in Brisbane, Scotty P will be gigging and Michael Amar will be gigging in Brisbane. Two wonderful magicians.

Michael at the Theatre of Magic and then Scotty P in Brisbane City Hall, I think. There you go. Bloody hell. All right. We have another speak pipe from Matthew. Matthew, the Christian magician. He sent in this one and re-recorded it a couple of times. Appreciate it to get that quality. So let's see what Matthew's doing. Okay. So, yeah, I have actually a cool idea, I think. He uses a Hot Wheels car or a monster truck and a deck of cards.

So, you get the card signed and selected, make a little ramp with the cards, and tell the spectator that the monster truck is going to jump the ramp and find the card. And, well, it misses, like, badly. And it goes over and hits the card box, which is at the corner of the map, right? And you say, okay, you know what? That was kind of crappy. Let's do this a more traditional way. You go through the deck, you have them tell you their card, and it's actually nowhere to be found in the deck.

And so when this is realized, you pick up the monster truck and say, Hey, I wonder if he was right all along. Pick up the monster truck, the card is inside the box. My question is, what is the most organic way to load the card into the box? Because I know I could just easily palm it off and pretend to pull it out, but I want a more organic way than that. Thanks for the advice or help and have a blessed night. Yeah, I mean, I've got the easy answer if we just want just a straightforward

answer. Should we say it on three?

One, two, three. Arzy Wins Card to Box Project. That's awesome. Yeah, well, obviously a duplicate would make it a no-brainer. But Arzy Wins Card to Box Project is the best way I've ever learned, and I'm using it every gig I do for getting the actual card that's in the deck into a box. So, of course, it could be signed or it could be a thought-of card, a named card, whatever. I won't say any more about it other than you can go to Arzi Wind, which is A-S-I-W-I-N-D.

You can go to his website, go to the trick section, and find it's a download card-to-box project. You will not be disappointed. But if we explore the premise a bit more, you know, What other thing can we play with? Well, can I say that when you want to achieve something, you don't have to actually do what you're doing. Let me explain. You don't have to actually put the card in the box. You only need to make it appear as if you're putting the card in the box.

So let's just say you had an empty box with a folded card inside there, okay? That's, you know, loosely tied down. And then you're able to do a Mercury card fold and show there is something inside the box and dump the contents of the box out.

Showing the one that you've already got mercury folded that's one solution right if that's something you really want to lean into right i i feel like i need a moment to explore stuff with the cars i think well what already comes to mind when you say that is now to make it a level better maybe it's the hot wheels box that the car comes out of that ends up having the folded card inside side that you can turn over and and dump out yeah the card which then becomes theirs like that makes it a little

bit better now other than rather than just the card box right like you take it the car out of the box and you sit the box on the corner of your pad okay yeah cool do your routine well and and here's another thing i was thinking like i don't know if a monster truck would suit this exactly but if i was gonna do something where it went wrong i would like to do it like this So let's just say you have a car, a card, you know, that that's like you spring the cards at a car as it goes

through or something like that. And then attached to it is the wrong card. Okay. If the card was, this was a bit larger than a, than, than, than a playing card, I would like to have the correct playing card below it as a double. And then I would lay it down like this. And then as the car drives over it, this would be shimmed with a metal in between it or something behind it, perhaps. Right. So then as the car drives over it, this would contact.

So it looks like the car did the magic as it drives over. So it would just be this magical moment of like the car still, like it might've screwed the trick up, but it also fixed the trick. So I kind of like that as an idea, but I don't know. There's a couple of restrictions there. Yeah, monster trucks have a lot of.

Height between tires and stuff so if it were like flatter and wider depending on the size of it that might work but i i like the idea yeah of it on the car doing some magic right so i've explored a couple of things with remote controlled cars i did a gig for a ferrari group where people who all own ferraris come to meet up so i i bought a remote controlled ferrari that's about as big as I don't know, a shoe and I, I, I attached a magnet to it because the, a Ferrari is very low anyway.

And I shimmed a card. What kind of what Nick's explaining and then whatever their sign, and I would spread the cars out in a line and anyone can explore this. I think there's some tricks that are sort of based on this premise, but I would just have their sign card be the next card after the shimmed card. And what would happen is the car would hit it and it stops because it's on cards, which are not a solid object.

So once it hits the magnet one, it would, the wheels would just keep spinning because it can't go past that card now. And it would create, it would basically separate the deck from the next card, which is their signed card. And so it's something to play with. So it would, it would go, it would connect to the card and it would stop driving because it's so low already.

You can't go any further and it would find it. And then the other thing I realized is if you get a string or for this one, I used like a ribbon and you attach, how did I do this? You attach one end of the ribbon to the car and you wrap it around the deck and you treat it like a rubber band trick. So you have. Anyone interested, I could probably send you a more in-detailed video.

But basically, when the Ferrari drives off and you've got the deck wrapped around this ribbon, it undoes it and it shoots out one card. Oh. There's that as like a reveal. You know, like, you know, the one where you put the band around your hand and you drop the deck and one card shoots up onto your hand? It's the same. It's the, basically, you treat it like that trick, except it's a string.

And what happens is the deck just flips over but the one that's rigged differently in the silk in the ribbon shoots out separately and you can explore that as well it's a little bit different to that but now you know trying to look for a deck of cards how do i not have a deck of cards in front of me this is so weird here we go but yeah you can now you got two phases of of one trick Here we go.

So basically, if everyone watching this, I'm referring to this thing here where you can go boom like that and have a card shoot up. But if this is just a string now and you rig it up the same way and you just pull one end, this will flip and one card will just kind of come out by itself. Anyway, I digress. What an interesting thing to listen to in audio when I'm going, you take this and you do that and it flicks out. I'm sorry, people.

Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking that like it probably wouldn't apply to a Hot Wheels car, but if it was a remote car, you could almost jerry-rig a type of card fountain because you would have this spinny wheel and rubber. And so if you applied that to a deck, you could have cards shooting out. So it could be the type of thing where if you were going to use a remote, you could have the car lower down and do almost like a card grab from the air.

Air so like all these cards are spitting up from the card fountain experience but you're just reaching out and plucking one you know yeah not the way we're really going because that was video was genuinely skill but oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah so yeah we've kind of taken it to an extreme level.

But if we bring it back for the application that matthew was mentioning yeah i reckon you could have a folder cart already in the box dump it out or in the car box or yeah have i still think any even if you're not going to do the car thing everyone should look up azzy wins car to box project it's freaking just it fools every magician that i show it to that unless they're aware of it which they only have if they've researched

one time marisa's work or azzy wins work i just haven't seen it and it's just it's just very fun but you can load right under their nose a signed card in the box. Anyway, but like the other things we were talking about, it becomes way more fun, like shimming a car and, you know, things like that. Very fun.

Yeah. All right. We've got one. Yeah. Tell me. Well, and that depends on the size of the vehicle and everything else. But like, I think that if the question with regards to how do I get it in the box in the cleanest way, if you could do a Mercury card fold, do it that cheeky way.

I think that'll work really, really well. And obviously, take a moment to actually read through some of the comments we hadn't mentioned in the chat as well there, Matt, because there are some really cool ideas that Jesse had mentioned and a few others. So have a little read through while that goes through as we march on to the next. Yeah, we got one more speak part again from Scotty P coming in with the double dose of goodness. So we thank you for that.

And let's see what Scotty has to follow up from his first one. It's pretty good. See what the second one is.

What's going on, Magic guys? Scotty P once again I thought I'd share this idea as well because this one worked quite well at a recent party I went to I had the spectator select the card and sign the face of the card and then on the back of it I drew a leaf and I drew a ladybug when I put the sharpie in my pocket I loaded a little wooden ladybug into finger palm loaded it underneath their card and then popped dropped the ladybug into their hand.

And when they looked at their card a second time, the ladybug that I drew on the back had disappeared and it was just a picture of an empty leaf on their signed card. Okay. So essentially that is lucky ladybug, except for you're drawing the objects that are disappearing, which, which makes it different. Like which it's a unique application. It sounds very raw right now. Like, Hey, I'm going to draw this. I'm going to draw this. Oh, look, this is gone and it's in your hand now.

I still think it would be best to, you know, have it appear on the back of their hand, like lucky ladybug, but yeah. Maybe there's something in there where the picture can visually be. Disappear that's that's what comes to mind initially yeah well a friction pen that we mentioned earlier might be a fun idea yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so you you had the leaf maybe already drawn on yeah i'm rather i'm thinking maybe like an out to lunch principle type thing.

Which might be what scotty did in his method right but yeah yeah maybe that's it out to lunch sign this you know boom hold on to it here we go the reason i bring that up is if you had an out to lunch principle type thing you could actually in advance stick some ladybugs to the underside of the stack that you would have for the out to lunch and then you know in that action you can steal it off the bottom as opposed to having

to make the steal when putting the pen away you can actually be so far ahead of the game by doing that yeah so you would have that like if this was get out to lunch this pack of playing cards i'm holding it would just be the line going across, you draw a thing on it you know and then you've already stolen it here as you come over to put it in their hands i think that would yeah that's very fun yeah you know that creates a little bit more work as opposed to using the cards that you get with lucky

ladybug but you know you want to be different you want to put your own spin on it that definitely puts a spin on it It'd be cool if you could, and you could do that with your business cards, right? Because there's enough card tricks in the world. If you do it with your business card, now they're going to keep that and it's not a card trick and it is still an ink to life premise and with a ladybug appearing on the hand. That's a pretty killer trick when you think about it.

Yeah. Scotty's saying that's heaps better. I used a forced duplicate. Yeah, right. So yeah, out to lunch principle. Now it can be signed. Now it can be kept. You just get a whole bunch of them. Or a drink coaster. That's organic. Yeah. Way to take it somewhere else. Nice one. But if it is, yeah. Maybe for Scotty P, his business cards are coasters. We don't know. But I think if it's a business card, you know, that's all the more reason they might actually keep it, right?

Because you've got to give people a reason to want to actually hang on to your business card these days, which is why personally I don't give them out unless people ask me for them because then I'm like, okay, you have a reason for this. Love it. That's good. That's good. How are you going with Lucky Ladybug? Is it every week you're working it to some kind of audience person?

Person is what does it just do you just wait until there's happens to be a kid that comes through that you're like ah sweet or you're doing this for everyone what are you finding with it now that you've done it i think i think it's such a special routine that you kind of want to save it for somebody special you know a birthday kid a birthday person you know it is great it's it's so and because it is special like i feel like you got to give it to somebody who's who's special.

Or someone who needs it you know what i mean you might see someone who's like hey kiddo what's going on or you've had a rough week let me do something fun for you how are you going oh i've had a bad week i lost my job blah blah blah and then you give them a little gift of luck, it's kind of special you know you don't need to be giving that trick to mr douchebag who's like no no let me shuffle yeah fuck that guy and i gotta tell you too lucky ladybugs don't taste too bad either.

And I say that because in my left outside jacket pocket is normally where I place two Eclipse mints in my pocket. I think I've told, I told Nick this story. So I have, I pop two mints in my mouth before I go to a gig. And if I'm roving for two hours, one hour in, I'll put these two mints in my mouth. But it was for a while, also the same place I was putting the lucky ladybug refills as well, that same pocket. And I'd done a gig the day before and forgot that I left those ladybugs in there.

So I go ahead and pop these mints in my jacket and I'm roving and I'm like, oh, cool, it's an hour in, I just grabbed two mints, put them in my mouth. And it turned out one was a mint and one was a lucky ladybug. And I'm like, why is this mint not dissolving and what the fuck is going on? And I realized I'm eating a ladybug. And so, yeah, I finished it like a champ and continued on roving and it was fine. Non-toxic, I think, I hope. So anyway, same size as the net.

You know, I had the bag. So for those of you that are familiar, they normally come in like what looks like a little G bag. You know what I mean? Like a little party bag, if you will. Yeah, a little G banger. Yeah, well, it's full to the brim. So mine has maybe a dozen or so ladybugs in it.

But i was performing at this irish pub for a buck's turn on saturday and i don't know what i was doing but i was it fell out of my pocket in some capacity and all the guys were so excited because they thought they were pingers they were like pingers and i was like they're ladybugs i'm sorry like but that could have been exciting yeah seth have you told buck that story yet i have not but anyone feel free to link him to this

part of the podcast because it is funny there's some now Now, before we press on, seeing we've finished the last one, there's a question here from Jesse. Can we bring this to attention? It says here, is there a trick with note cards that have sketch drawings on them, like a show and tell idea or postcards from remote locations? And you can talk about this ladybug you met and how it followed you home. That's a cute idea.

So are these sketch drawings, each one is the ladybug in a different location you've traveled to? Well, possibly. That's interesting. I like what he's going with. Like the fact that there's this lucky ladybug that follows you around everywhere. The idea of that in a macro sense is pretty fun. Especially if you foreshadowed it.

Earlier in a routine about this ladybug but then you slide track them by saying that the trick's not about that it's about this thing you were doing at the time that made it keep following you or something and then at the end the ladybug appears you know well i think it's important to have like good luck on your travels godspeed that whole sort of thing that you say when people are traveling and i think it's kind of important to do a trick where you say

like i've been very lucky in my travel it's always important to have luck in your travels and then you show the places you have traveled and then you can give somebody a ladybug and you can say that i wish you all the best of luck in your travels and in your life as a departing gift i think that's a nice message, yeah yeah yeah you should definitely explore that jesse that's fun yeah yeah start start the routine you know i could tell it was going to be a lucky day

because as i pulled out my deck of cards there There was a ladybug sitting on my palm. And I thought, this is going to be a good day. Then you tell the rest of the story. And at the very end, you can go, now, just like when I told this story, you're also going to have a great day. And then reveal the ladybug. That's very nice. That's very nice, my friend. I knew it was going to be a good day. This morning, there was a ladybug in my poop. Why? Because I confused one for a mint.

Far out. Yeah, very robust. robust we have a few minutes left in this realm and i have been exploring something that i'm happy to chew up the next five minutes with if you guys want to chat about it well what what's the topic first yeah well i'm exploring pk touches and how i how do i want to do pk touches and i i, whilst i was away in vegas i've been chatting to a lot of people and they've given me a new way of thinking and creating and just to create without restriction

and a whole bunch of the stuff, which I don't want to dive into now. I want to talk about the effect, but here's what's up. I wanted to come up with something and make it more personal. And so the idea was, when you make it personal, you talk about who you are. And I try to think about who I am and my playful nature. And I like to be jokey and loving and so forth. And I think that comes from my father. I think it comes from my dad. My dad is like a real-life Peter Pan.

He's one of the best guys I know in the whole world. And then you go into a routine about him touching you. Yeah. i knew you were gonna fuck it up somehow i knew it i knew it i knew you were gonna make it something douchey all right we'll cut this out so what i was trying to say was.

My dad's that type of guy that'll tap you on the shoulder when you look and there's no one there's any other side he's that guy right he likes to play he's like that's where i think that's where i get it by nature and i wanted to create a routine in that style and i wanted to make it more like a peter pan type thing where peter pan does play with his shadow and so the idea would be that i put somebody up on stage and with my shadow you might

do something where you play with your shadow so using the ideas that like tobias dostell has in the silhouette routine where you play with your shadow a little bit and then you bring somebody up on stage and you do a bit and i like this idea of like tapping somebody on the shoulder and they go to look but there's no one there and i'm there and then the shadow will touch and play and then i thought do you think it would be cool to do an effect where like the shadow blows

like and the spectator's hair just like blows up you know what i mean like i think that would be yeah yeah yeah you know and so also so i'm playing with a bit of a diorama and some gi joes and a flashlight to try and emulate how this might play out yeah and i'm going to be chatting with my old business partner partner who I had an audio visual business with on how I can achieve this. I want to know like how gnarly and far can you take?

So it is a PK touches routine, but it's more so about like being Peter Pan and, and playing with your shadow. And I'm wondering how far I can take this. And do you think it like, do you think it could be the type of thing where like my shadow just goes off on its own entirely? And I'm now interacting with my shadow. Yeah. You know, like, what do you guys kind of see? Now, don't worry about how it's going to be done. Just think about, like, wouldn't it be cool if. Dun, dun, dun.

All right. Oh, yeah. Tim's saying, I could see you in the green tights. Hey. Nice. So, you know, the PK Touch premise with a shadow. I mean, I've done it before, just in the generic, you know, just tapping. They feel it on their shoulder, like just the straight up sense. I know Chris Angel's done it in a special where he touched the shadow, they're sitting on a chair and then they get up from the chair and he like touches the shadow of the chair and the chair collapses.

Like that's about as much as I've seen it explored before. But the idea of having other movement on the person or then playing with your own shadow after it is the next level, I think.

That's the Nick K level, which is really cool. and people definitely freak out obviously to begin with like the audience that you're tapping the shoulder but what if like is there you know if you could do anything you you would you could like have someone put their hand up like this and their shadow is able to hold something you know that that would be interesting and then when they say move your hand away on three like one two three they move their hand and

the thing falls that's cool or or even if it's as simple as having a table near the wall and you've got the the like this would be there the way you know you could orchestrate it straight away you sit a bottle and you're like with your shadow i want you to push the bottle over and then they they do it themselves and it falls over you know like a ghost kind of senses oh okay so it's their shadow doing the peter pan moment like we're all sort of peter panning

our shadows and i guess it depends where you want to take it right but at this point point, if it's the spectator, it's still their shadow moving at the same time as them. Then I think if you could then explore it where you can have your shadow actually do different stuff to what you're doing. Yeah. Kind of like, you know, like Tobias's shadow work where he's, he can pass cards to himself and stuff, or it moves separately to him.

Yeah. Do you think it would be funny if like I, they're playing with me and it's just a fun moment, like music and I'm talking to them and I go, watch, watch me. And then I push the can and the can falls off the table and they do it. And it doesn't work the first time. And I'm like, give it a big push.

And they push. and the whole table goes flying off like that could be wow yeah yeah well now you're really going into like the ghost movie where he's like you know flick the coin uh as a ghost but yeah holy shit that would be there's theater in that there's theater in that where it's like yes and now they're they're experiencing what it's like to play with your shadow and and it's going to be something they're going to like they're forever going to have a shadow right so

they don't remember that you know what i mean yeah well it depends because that's so strong if you're playing music and stuff like you got to choose whether you want it to be whimsical or like really freaky i guess because if they think it's just stuff that's rigged then it'll be like oh that's fun but if you can really get them into a place of like because i think what will help with that is if they really are feeling the taps on their shoulder from you touching their shadow.

Then that's you can't rig that like that's going to start freaking everyone out and then yeah i think if you then build up to being able to move stuff with the shadow that i think creates some pretty crazy territory that i like very much yeah peter pan man peter pan like that's what i'm yeah yeah yeah and then you have the bowls of food that have steam but nothing in it and you can, pick it up and throw it at someone becomes real that's a great idea i didn't even think about that,

when you play that whole peter pan thing. That's not impossible. If you gimmick up a wooden spoon, you could smell the meal in the think them. Maybe it emanates throughout the theater. You scoop up and then you go to throw. Yeah. And then produce a bunch of fake food effectively by doing a thing. Yeah, by doing a thing. I mean, the, the, you know, the most basic version of that could be dove pan, right?

Type type thing where you can actually show the whole bowl of food, but obviously, you know, you create a, a more, uh, converted way, but you know, at a, at a quick glimpse, it'd be, you can do that. Imagine having a whole table. Imagine having a whole table of banquet stuff. Just throw the sheet over it, pull it back. And now you've got this whole thing. Remarkably, that's easier than actually doing individual bowls. That's the thing. That method already exists. That

would be so much easier than having to do anything else. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But that's crazy. Well, that's, that's the goods, man. I think let's move on to the final word then. Cause I, you know, we're out of time already. Just crazy.

Thanks for hanging with us, everyone. We're going to leave Nick with the final word today. Let's see what he has in store for us. So friends and listeners of the podcast, Kars. Thank you for spending your past hour with us. Again, we're happy to bring you guys some value and we're really thankful for all the ideas that you've shared because it's all about us having this wonderful community we can lean upon, whether it be in this chat, in the Discord or on socials.

It means so much to us that you guys come each week to hang out and chat ideas. And I personally am so thankful for the friendships that I've been able to set up with you guys. So So keep spitballing, keep listening, and keep doing magic. Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now. But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.