Nick.. Please Explain :-D #165

They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys. Oh, baby. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 165 of the Magic Guys, where we bring our expertise and knowledge and whimsicalness to answer your questions, hang out, and be cool people. To my left, I have Nick Kay. Welcome to the show, friends. And down below, we've got Doug Kahn. Hey, y'all. And I'm Josh Nobito. What's up, everyone? Oh, that's the wrong sound tune. Oh, well, we're rolling with it now. I don't know. That was fine.

That's true. The whimsicalness of the rimshot. The rimshot. Close it out. Like a magic trick. If you don't say nothing, they don't know. Just roll with it, Josh. Just keep going, man. No one will notice. That's true. Yes, and for everything. What's up? What's going on with you, Nick? And we were just in a stream. This is our second stream today. We're so productive. Luckily, it's because Doug led us on his live. Well, I'm over here trying new things. I think that's the key to success.

Go in places you've never gone before to mine for gold nuggets and such. So thank you for joining me on the impromptu vertical live stream. We did it. How interesting. For those listening, YouTube offers vertical format live streaming now, And we were able to do it in this StreamYard software studio. So you can have a professional live stream vertical. That opens up a lot of possibilities. I messed up the second stack. I should have had this all nicely stacked there. But the potential is strong.

And even more so, maybe for two people, it's more reasonable. And you do like, it's almost an Amigo situation if you want to perform some magic that way.

And like i was saying pre-show the algorithms loving these vertical streams my numbers are double and i bet if it's two people doing magic it's going to be even higher than that yeah you got it i think i was just saying ultimately it's like it's all with the intention of just bringing the best possible experience we can to you guys the listeners and speaking of the listeners let's have a little hey hey to everyone in the chat we have randall tim Tim, Gut Buster Mike, Chris,

we have Johnny Prentice, Bob Possible, our good friend, the Christian magician, Scotty P.

Drago Tear, you sent in some amazing questions last week. Good to see you guys all here. Yeah, nice. It's a good group of magi misfits. It's been a pleasure getting to know a lot of these people personally on the Discord and such. How wild is Discord? You know, we used to use it in the beginning at the Magic Guys. Stopped for a while because, you know, we're older and I'm older and don't use Discord. Although I can't say that because Doug is a beast with it.

I still feel online and don't even understand the full potential of this amazing platform. It's crazy out there on the Discord. Even in just the last month of us using it, you know, is growing this community so much more. And the link to it is in the description if you're interested. But it's basically a place we can chat and we have jam sessions in there. Fellow magic guys can just go in there at any point and start their own jams, I believe.

And it's a whole world of fun. But speaking of which, you guys, I put a call out in the Discord that send us in some, you know, some voice messages of what you're up to. And I love it. every week. People are sending them in now more and more. It's beautiful. And this first one comes from Thomas Hadsen again from Sydney, fellow Sydney boy. Let's see what Thomas has for us today.

Hey guys, Thomas from Sydney here. Now my question really briefly for you this morning is, how do we feel when spectators touch the magicians during performances? Do you guys feel awkward? How How do we get out of that situation? Anyway, thank you, guys. Have a wonderful day. Great question, Thomas. And you always ask great questions. So thank you so much for sending that through. People will touch. They get that. They kind of forget that we're people, the audience. You know what I mean?

I try to treat it with humor. And what I say politely to folks is I'll go, oh, magicians, we're a little like strippers. Looky, no touchy. That's a good one. We are like strippers actually. We make like, you know, great money in a very short amount of time when we're there. I have spent the better part of the better part of 30 years has been spent developing the self-defense you see before you for such touching the gut, the balding, you know, the scarred face, no problem.

I gotta tell you, my friends, Chris and Mike who do the naked magician show, get it. The worst problems. They do a meet and greet where people come and get photos while they're naked. They're just literally holding, they're literally just holding a top hat over their junk. And by the end of their night, by the end of the photos, their butts are so red from women, smacking them to get the photo with them. It's hilarious.

Man. That's an energy suck too. I bet they go home and just melt after a night like that. Given all that energy out and naked. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they, you know, I'm sure in the early days they would use that to their advantage though. Like they wouldn't go home. Oh yeah. They're not going home alone. Disappointed. But certainly, you know, once, once their show matured and it was more of a like production show and like serious, then it probably became a little bit more.

Oh gosh, here we go again. Let me, let me warm up the cheeks. But in all seriousness. Is that show coming back to a stage? The naked magicians. Yeah. Yeah. Things are in works for them and it, but it might not be actually them, but they are still producing that show for sure, but one of the fellows works with you in the theater, correct? That's right. Yeah. Christopher Wayne. And it's, it's so funny because you can tell the people that come to our show that,

recognize him from the Naked Magicians. And that's always funny because they're always not, they're not always with company that they can tell, oh yeah, I've seen him naked doing magic because they're there with their family or whatever. It's quite funny. In all seriousness, for me, corporate gigs, I don't get like touched too much, but it's always the sleeves.

It's always is the, they grab, they do a quick bicep squeeze and they do like a, this and yeah, my quick line is, which I'm sure a million people use is, Hey, touching costs extra, but, and then I move on, you know, and it gets a laugh and, and then every now and then someone would be like, Oh, we'll pay. I'm like, see me after, you know, just a quick, witted get. What a great line, Josh Norbito with the professional wit.

Love it. Yeah. So essentially it just plays out like I'm, you know, the cards vanished. Like, Oh, where'd it go? I'm like, Hey, touching costs extra, but it's okay. And then we move on and then they laugh and now we're back into swing of things. Yeah. What, what is, is that a, is that a problem with busking? Like, I know we talked about heckling last week, but people may be grabbing props would be just as annoying.

Yeah, for sure. That, you know, and there's the poorly minded children who just have no social grace at all that will grab your crap.

It always amazes me that the parents don't reel them in they're just like well there goes billy digging through the magician's crap there you go you're like you're not going to stop your kid from grabbing my no okay then that's what yeah that's what the wands for whack that is pretty i love that line where it's like it's not a wand it's a stick i'm not a fairy and you so you know my line is this i don't play with your stuff you know if it's a kid like that i'd be like hey billy i don't play

with your stuff you know i try and keep it on their level if it's a youngsters.

There's my line yeah so i guess i guess the takeaway from this is that like treat it with kindness and also appreciate a lot of the audiences for the most part always need to be educated a lot of people don't know how to experience magic or experience theater or anything of that nature so there's nothing wrong with talking people how they need to be at you know and and and walk them through this process of just sort of like looky no touchy or

hey you know and if they you know like okay okay please please stop touching honestly like go go away like even if there's nothing wrong with saying like i don't like being touched could you just could you not please like you you still have politely and then sort of go like not to the point like touch me again i'll cut you like you're not going to do that but just there's nothing wrong with educating your audience and like i don't know if what you think you know about like theater

or what you you think about entertainment but like you need to not touch please like it's okay to take it to that place and do a trick and ask people to say like oh and then you clap. You know, cause I, I, I've got a new line now that I'm doing a lot where I'm going like, was your car, the four hearts? Yes. You're going to clap. Oh. And they start clapping, you know, like it's cause we've got four hours ago. Yeah.

And they just dumbstruck, but like you want this reaction. So the, the takeaway is educate them and walk them through how they need to behave. What about this one? Cause I've had this one and I'm sure you guys have too guessing. Cause I've had it inebriated women of age.

So yeah they're they're maybe the more handsier ones yeah yeah yeah the mature and motivated are a little bit more handsier and yeah yeah good thing you go home with the red butt yeah there's nothing wrong with saying to them that you know like hey just i'm glad we're all having a great time but politely i need you guys to do this this this as in like don't touch me or or please behave yourselves, or I need you to stay in your seats.

Whatever behavior needs to be corrected, say, I need you to insert corrective behavior, or we're going to need to end this interaction.

Yeah, it gets a little dicey. I hope that helps. Good question, though. Good question. Next one we have is from our listener, Seth. And I did pre-listen to this. This is partly advice, partly story. Let's listen. Hope y'all are doing well. Well, today I've got part gig story, part what would you do, I guess. I'm going to preface this by saying I keep BWAVE in my wallet set for the Red Jacks.

Okay, so I was doing a variety show. There's this local variety show where they have featured acts, and in between the featured acts, there's like open stage opportunity. So I went in to do the open stage stuff, decided to do Invisible Deck. The card we eventually landed on was the Jack of Hearts, so I did that reveal. And then I was thinking, would it be redundant if I also pulled wave out and showed the jack of hearts that way too? Or would that be like even more of a mind blowing situation?

I decided not to go for it, but I'm wondering if I missed out on an opportunity there. Yeah. And also they messaged me afterwards and I'm going to be a featured act this week. So that's exciting too. But anyway, cheers.

Snuck in that little win there. That's why you get out there and get those reps in man. And then pretty soon people like you. Yeah. Congratulations on winning. That's awesome, man. And that's the main thing. And my, my, my outlook on that is with the brainwave thing, the extra reveal, you just got to try it. Like we can say all day, what we think the layman will enjoy, but I'm often surprised what they enjoy.

Sometimes it is the kicker that I wouldn't have thought even makes sense, but they do enjoy, or maybe it would have dragged on a little bit. I think personally, I think it's a case of you have to actually try it and see if it works. So just wait until probably take 10 years for another person to name Jack of Hearts when you also have Brainwave in your pocket. But yeah, that's my thought. But I think also like a reveal should always get bigger and bigger.

Like you can't go from a big reveal to a smaller reveal straight after it, I guess is the thing. Unless you're David Copperfield. If you're David Copperfield, you could do B wave after your show. I've told this story where after the show he's doing B wave. I've done lottery predictions on license plates. I've sent you home with a poster of the story of your wildest dreams. And, you know, I predicted everyone's show experience in an email. But when you come see me backstage, it's a one in four.

It's anti-climactic, Dave. We love you, but I'm going to call you out next time I see you. Did I ever get that backstage experience again? Yeah.

Look, you know, that's the thing is the reason why these sort of variety nights and stuff exists is because they do give us opportunities to actually try things and to fool around and see how far we can push the envelope i like the idea of sort of revealing things like compounding in such a like a ridiculous way you know like i have a i have this routine which i retired about a couple years ago now but it was like this dick man routine where like it's it's

a mixture of it's a mixture of confab and this and that and the compounds and compounds to the point where it's like not only did i predict the correct color match coloring in prediction and the confab i also had a comic book that predicted everything correctly and not only that i'm wearing the superhero outfit like i just keep compounding it again and again again again again so like i i like those they're fun for a stage show but give yourself permission to give

it a try because it's not an awful idea. So just, yeah, give yourself permission to give it a, give it a try. I thankfully have a lot of outlets here in this part of town where we try things all the time and we get feedback from, from like professional theater folk who go like, Oh, I like this or maybe mind your language here, or maybe say it this way or whatever it might be. So give it a try. Here's how I've been doing the prediction. I just put this in my bag last week.

So you hold up one card and you say, name any card, Nick K, you can do this. The four of hearts i do the one we did pre-show. The ace of spades i saw that line from jb evans no no there it is four hearts it's right there yeah to the three so this is an effect that builds suspense gets a little drama has a little blow off and now we go to the b wave or the the brain wave and bring it home with something like that.

This is also, there's also a great way to get someone to name a card, which can be a sticky moment in a situation. Sometimes people don't like saying cards, you know, but if you commit yourself with one, you know, when they name it, boom. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I'll, I'll, um, I'll share a little thing I do is when I was learning stack work, I used to have trouble getting to the seven of hearts.

It was in a, just a weird position. position so what i would do in case someone names it at a gig is i would just take a card seven of hearts i would tear off the indice part and i would put it behind the lapel pin of my jacket so when you open so i have a like a jacket so wait so i have a pin in my jacket spade but if i flip it over you can see the other side of it and i would have the seven of hearts there so i'm doing an effect with the audience is holding the deck but if

they say seven of hearts i just started going that's so interesting because that's also my favorite card so much so that i always keep it with me and i show it effect over they freak out like i've just done the best thing ever because they're none the wiser but by just having it there in case kind of like how you just so happen to have the b wave got me out of a lot of sticky situations when i was still learning how to work with this particular effect.

So sometimes you can do that. Just be bold because being bold is where the real magic can happen, where stuff will happen that you couldn't actually plan to have happen. And being bold is even better. Yeah. I don't know. I'm over here thinking you could come out up with a dozen outs around your body. Yeah. Equivoke to the high cards. And then now it's any high card. Oh, you name that one. Oh, you name that one. Oh, you name that one. It's on my glasses. Oh, it's on my watch. It's in my shoe.

It's in my fly. It's in my pocket, in my wallet, you know? Yep. And then you have a little crib sheet. So when they name the card, you're like, oh yeah, it's going to be here.

Well, didn't Penn and Teller do that? the beach, they had 52 reveals set up around the beach. Oh yeah. I love that. Yeah. And it works, it works, but so that's something I did anyway. So that if, if, if that happened, then I would act like that is the outcome that I was planning for. And it gets the, the, it gets the reaction, gets the reaction. Thomas Conger, Tommy, we got you here with a speak pipe, my friend. Let's see what he's got. Our, our brilliant painting artist. Let's check it out.

Hey, what's up the magic guys? Long time listener. First time caller. Just kidding. I have a question for you guys. This is Thomas Conger. I'm planning a trip to Vegas possibly in November. And I'd like to do a trick where I would leave like a card somewhere in their house or their studio, wherever we meet at. And then when I come back to Cleveland months later or whatever,

I'll go live on stream with them and I'll perform a trick. and the trick will end up, you know, in their house a month later or whatever. I was wondering what type of trick that is easy to do that I could possibly knock out of the park easily when I do this because this will be my first time trying to pull something like this off. So thank you. I appreciate you guys. You guys are awesome. The community is awesome. And I hope to produce magic and entertain you guys with what I can do sometime

in the near future. I'm just working with the kinks of, you know, filming and getting a better camera and better lighting and working with all that cool stuff. But anyways, thank you, guys. I'm out of here. I love it, man. I love it. I love it. All right. I'm sure we all got notes on here. So let's go with you first, Nick. Okay. So firstly, thanks for sending through the question. We hung out on the discord last week. Super cool guy, Thomas. Thanks for sending that through.

Now, here's the thing. I would, if they have books, if they have books, I would put it in between the pages of a book and remember where I put that page 20 or whatever it might be.

And then I would try and do an effect like if I was going to do it on a video call afterwards or something of that nature, I'd say like I've got something I'm working on it's kind of gnarly let's try something fun and then you can like, do just a series of forces that lead them down the garden path to choose the book so it could be the type of thing where it's like I have my bookshelf here I just want you to say stop and they go stop you're right here and you just

point and you go boom this is the little women you have this book I do have this book that's really cool let's just try something fun. I placed a card in here, or you can say like, now let's choose a card. They say, stop. I'm going to leave it here on my thing. And then I go like, I need two more cards now. Then you force like two tens. And it's like, we've add these together. What do we get? 20. Terrific. So we have 20 and this.

So go to page 20 of your book, see what you find, you know, and then it's in there. Or you could put it in your book, give it a snap, and then show it's gone. Like it's totally vanished from the book. And then go, now look inside your book. There's a few ways you can dissect this. I want to do this. I want to have a page from their book vanish and appear in my house. So now grab a book off your shelf, pick a number, and now that page is in my house. Oh, the Pegasus page plot.

Yes, the Pegasus page. page from holy now we're talking something from their house go back yeah doug holy and then maybe you go both ways i'm curious of your thoughts on the card trick josh because i think you do the method i'm thinking of do you have an idea for the card trick which card trick of what what plot are we talking about like if you preset a card to be revealed like what would be the avenue to take to for the reveal gotcha gotcha so thomas mentioned they have lots of comic books.

So def I love where Nick was going with that, but you could do a one card where you sign it and maybe write note on it. Like, it's like your sign, like you sign it and then you like, you know, enjoy the card or something and you take a photo of it. So you remember how to exactly duplicate that again, when you're doing the live stream, find somewhere that's yeah, exactly. Exactly. Find somewhere it could live and place it there.

Like find somewhere that isn't accessed a lot. Like, I don't know, on top of a statue or, or, or bookcase or something, or you have to be a little bit creative, but behind the fridge, I don't know, behind the wall of the fridge. So you find the place, but then, yeah, so you can be on stream, do a trick with them. And then before you give it to it, be like, ah, you know what? You can have this. Let me sign it for you.

I'm going to post it to you. Write, write a note and then actually, you know, what would be better?

Yeah. that could be cool or if you plan on filming this right and you're saying like we're gonna i'm gonna try to capture this on on phone and then you can go like you just walk around the house i go when i was at your place you know we had really good lighting this place in your study can you go sit in your study for a sec perfect and like yeah go up against that picture frame that's perfect and then you lead them and then you start the recording do the whole stick you can have a something or

other do your vanish right and then you can go look at the picture frame behind you and they can look behind the picture frame pull one card out and show yeah or you could if you want it to be really unseen with the picture frame idea just do angle zero so you're only hiding one quarter of a piece that was the idea i had this is what i was waiting for someone else to to say now I don't have to say my idea. Yeah. Cause then you can be on the stream, have it vanish and then go like,

say, stop even, oh, what am I pointing to? They are the picture. Okay. You'd probably do like a quarter of the card versus just the little bit. So make it a little bigger so they could bring it up to the screen and verify.

Yeah. And one last idea, only because I know Thomas is doing a lot of stuff with Rubik's cube right now, Rubik's cubes right now, you could take them a Rubik's cube in bottle, but you could have one made Cuban bottle with a, sequence that you know how to replicate, give it to them as a gift. And then on the, on the stream, you could do some Rubik's cube work and And then reveal that you've matched the cube that they have in their house as well. Could be something.

Or not. And maybe, maybe the corner is inside the cube. They open it up. Yeah. Smash the bottle. Quick, quick smash it. You could peel that middle one off, right? Isn't that the thing? Yeah. Yeah. True. Or another easy thing is you could gift them a deck of cards and there's a good chance they're not going to use it like until you're on the stream anyway.

Way so you could have something ready to go some kind of routine do as i do or something like that or yeah you can cut if you can do something to the to the box to the card. You keep it in its factory seals card and put the corner in between the split card and it's then you force this one and you have them rip the card in half and inside there is a an index of another card? What?

That's an effect I do, and it's the best idea. It's so easy to do, because when you split the card, you don't have to split it all the way. You just split it enough to put the card in and split it up again. It matches together perfectly every time, because when you do a full split and try to align it again, it's just laborious. Yeah, baby. Good stuff. I like what's happening.

I like the Pegasus page idea. I like the, Yeah, angle zero, I like the book, and I like, because John Armstrong, the reason I mentioned the forged writing, John Armstrong does a really cool effect of a sign, he does a card under spectator's watch, but then when the effect's over, they go back to the audience, he goes, you know what, you can keep this, but let me sign it for you, and then he vanishes it again, and then he goes, check under your watch again, and now it's there and signed,

but doing that from here to the end.

Colorado did he say or wherever to vegas that's pretty dope also don't go in november go in august because that's when we're going to be at magic wife yeah well the cool thing is thomas that you got a lot of time to work on it we do have our community you can lean upon we have our post and roast you can talk with us jam with us i'm sure we'll talk about this a whole bunch more times before you actually execute it and so please like share your thoughts we can hang out

in discord called we're more than happy to help this i think this is going to be a mini story of the magic guys that we follow because now we're all like we're all i'm invested now and i think we're all going to be invested leading up until this point you're gonna have to do it but great question thanks for sending it through domus heck yeah let's switch gears a little bit because the title and thumbnail of this episode was quite funny we called it nick please explain i'm scrolling on facebook i

come across some very funny looking pictures of nick and i'm like bro what kind of gigs are you getting and you know is this what a professional magician in melbourne looks like but of course it's not his everyday type of events but yeah do we just show them some footage first or do we let me preface this before we begin so i have been performing in a series of shows past week called magic sports and effectively what this is it's whose line is it anyway way, but with magic.

And so we play a series of games for our audience in which we have a whole bunch of theater sports-based challenges. And so you would have seen, if you looked at the socials surrounding the laneway theater where we performed these shows, myself and some other amazing performers in really interesting, comparable situations. So that's the context of it. So So it's effectively doing improv magic while

doing improv theater mixed together. So, We'll give it more context when we sort of scope out this next bit of footage, but that's the base we have to go up. Let's have a look. We'll start with a short clip. Yeah, we'll start with this short clip. So this just looks, this Nick just looks like a bad-ass doing this, but let me just play this and then Nick can explain what's going on. Okay. Not that one. That one.

You know, the radiation is quite high in Melbourne. And so that's actually a pretty normal thing to wear those alfoil hats. Standard EDC headwear. For those listening, what you just saw was me doing a particular type of card trick in which my entire face was wrapped up in tinfoil. And that was one of the challenges of this particular effect that we had to do. Now, in this game, we were challenged to do, it was a duet.

So I had to perform it alongside another magician, which I was performing alongside a good friend, Josh Staley.

And we had to do this routine come up with a routine that we could do together but both do it blindfolded and so we ended up doing a multiple card select but entirely yeah it's tough isn't it josh yeah but entirely blindfolded and so what we did was we we had four selections which all happened to be the four aces they were then put back in the deck shuffled and then we found those those cards. So that was quite challenging to do that.

So entirely blindfolded. I mean, hand to God, I couldn't see a single thing or barely breathe out of that mask because they shoved the tinfoil up my nostrils. And so what we did was we had the selections done and then And we went taking turn on finding each selection for the effect. But it's just one of those great challenges. In fact, one of the nights we had to do a card trick together, both Josh and I, but I was the right hand and he was the left hand.

And so we had to perform with our arms around each other, doing a riffle shuffle where he was the left and I was the right. And we had to try and do like an entire trick. So it's one of the fun games we played. so it's really humbling man like you might think you're a great act and all but do magic sports and you're like this is very humbling like this is quite a challenge. How many Magi are on hand for this event? So there is three of us.

Depending on each night, we circulate through each magician.

I was performing, I think in the next clip you'll see, alongside one of the greatest guys in Melbourne, I think, who's Liam Jumpitz, or as we call him, LJ. And this is all basically created and mediated by the amazing Tim Ellis, who has, yeah, who's an amazing creator and basically created the Magic Sports game.

Game and if you guys ever want to scope it out there is like we have some documentation on it and you can actually see what the games are like extremely challenging stuff he's been doing this for a while now that you mentioned tim's name and magic sports i can recall him doing this at conventions i guess in the u.s probably 20 years ago right is it that yeah yeah it's been around a very long time so for example one of the one of the games that

kind of sparked this is a game called drunk tech and what it was based around is if you have a routine that you perform to music okay as like just purely a music act so think of something beautiful like a like a like a hoonjin kim beautiful car manipulation which is done to the music and perfectly choreographed then all of a sudden you go do the very same act but it's a totally different song and now you've got to perform your act to a song you either don't even know or never

never rehearsed to and you've You've got to do it on the spot with that level of creativity. So it's quite fun to do that. And that was from Adelaide, The Unusualist. What's his name? Oh, Raymond Crowe. Raymond Crowe, yeah. So that happened with Raymond Crowe because back in the day, we didn't have CDs and MP3 plays. We had these little cassette tapes. And what had happened was Raymond Crowe had done his act and they did the rehearsal.

But the tech failed to rewind the tape. And as a result, he had to perform the very same act to the next song on the tape. And that's where drunk was born out of. Yikes. And as a true professional, you keep going. Yeah. So this, so let's play the next, let's play the next clip. It's I haven't watched it's entirety, but it's a vertical video. So you'll still see us in the background, but we'll be muted, but I'll leave Nick to decide when to stop the video.

But so I, we won't play any context. Just know that whatever's happening is like improv in the moment. I guess that's the best way to lead into it. Here we go. They're already two bags or something, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, they're lovely. They're lovely, aren't they? I am. They're good. They're good. Oh, good. On my lips, they burn more. Do you want a drink? One fluffy bunny. Do you want a drink? Nothing went in. Nothing went in.

Wow, that's lovely. Is that even on? That's showing eyes. Hang on. Oh, look at that. My eyes have been cured. Would you like a chip? Oh, thank you. Wonderful. Well, you don't have to buy more. They've been there. That's spicy, man. So what's happening in this effect, guys, is there is this enormous jacket that's effectively like four or five sizes too big. And what's happening is I'm inside it, but I can't use my arms. There is another magician behind me with his arms going through the sleeves

and performing the effect. And there's a whole bunch of games we play with this. In this game, it was called Magic Shop. And I'm basically the Magic Shop owner.

There was a box full of like random props and then tim alice would come in and he would say oh what kind of amazing new products do you have and the box is just filled with junk like just weird stuff that i had to like make up with magic on the spot you know what i mean so i'm doing so i'm i'm the voice of this situation but behind me is lj with his arms through the jacket sleeves performing all the magic and so we're working as a team but i'm the one communicating it all what made

this even more difficult is that tim went out before the show and bought these blisteringly hot spicy chips i was wondering if those were the spicy cheetos they were the spicy ass cheetos and so during the whole routine he's shoveling these spicy chips into my mouth while i'm trying to perform and be funny and be entertaining all at the same time so it's like like one of the really fun creative bits that you do in this.

So it's a really fun show to be a part of. In fact, one of our listeners, Rob was at the show who was kind enough to take all this, all this video. Thank you so much for doing that, Rob. We appreciate you. He basically just hit me up and said, I had to fly in last minute. Is there anything cool going on? And I said, come around. So I got him tickets to the show and he, and he scoped it out.

But one of the most fun things that we do is before the show, when the show is actually beginning and we, and what we we do is we have a bucket, a giant bucket. And we tell the audience, you can dump items in there. And at the end of the show, we're going to need to create a whole new magic trick with anything you dump in there.

So we did this for every night, but there's one night in particular that was really funny. On the last night, we're not allowed to look in the bucket, but three of us have to reach in, grab something. And whatever we grab is what we got to perform with. And the last night we We had eyebrow cutters, which are tiny little scissors with a comb on them that you use to trim the length of your eyebrows. As well as that, there was like the stick of an ice cream, of a Magnum ice cream.

You know what I'm talking about? Just like a little kind of stick. And then there was also a slap bracelet. Like, you know those stupid things? Sure. And then you slap them on your arm and they go, and they snap around your arm? Yep. So we had those three items and we had to come up with a routine using those three items. So what we came up with was we decided to use the scissors to cut stuff. Okay, the scissors, they cut, they do all kinds of stuff. Okay,

cool. Let's do a routine where we use a piece of rope to emulate someone's hair. And we'd say, all these are beauty products. They're all beauty products. What if you accidentally ever cut your hair and wished, oh, I wish I didn't cut it. How could I repair it? And the idea was, is that we cut a piece of rope emulating hair. I use the stick like this hair repair cream and I made this cup and I wrote hair repair on it, you know, and I just pretend to take out some stuff and then repair the rope.

And then we did a cut and restored rope based around this whole hair repair idea. And then outside of that, we had the slap bracelet. And I was like, this isn't a slap bracelet.

It's an amazing piece of waxing technology and then what i did was i had this slap bracelet and i just sort of went around my body like up and down my arms and my legs and i was like whenever you're ready just say stop and you go stop i go right there and i slap it onto my leg through my pants and then leaving this thing in place i pull my pant leg up actually i can show you this it's ridiculous i pull my pant leg up and then if you look closely there is you're a sick man nick k,

there is no hair where the slap band was nice and so using a timing force and a slap bracelet i had an exacto knife backstage and i was just trimming my leg hair.

Weirdo but tell me that's not genius it is genius actually. And then the last effect which was really really great idea from from from josh was was, you know, the premise was kind of like, have you ever seen someone from across the room with like a hair hanging out their nose, just wishing you could cut it? Well, this is an amazing piece of technology in which you can actually do that. And we'll show you how it's done. So we had somebody hold a piece of paper and

they're holding a piece of paper, right? And they fold it up and it goes in their hand. And then we took the stick from the Magnum and we held it in front of their face.

And we sort of did this. I want you to imagine that this whole thing is complete, like right about here and we need to imagine what flavor this would be on the stick can you see a flavor and they go yes i can see a flavor that's the hint the method there you can see a flavor wonderful and then that went away and it was like you have a flavor in mind terrific what's close and then we're just snapping like from afar like this you know like snap snap snap snap snap,

anyway they go like what flavor did you see in your mind he goes oreo and i go wonderful open the piece of paper he opens a piece of paper and all these bits fall out of it and and carved into that piece of paper spelt Oreo. Oh, that's cool. And this is stuff we're making up on the spot. Let me be clear about that. That's like the hardest thing to do really in magic is create effect. You know, especially when you started this story, I thought it'd be like magic

props in a box. But when you start taking totally rando. That's how you end up in the dressing room, shaving your leg with an exacto knife, you know, you get that mind freak moment. Maybe think of Nate Cranzo's moving tan line. You ever see this trick where Nate takes a tan line?

Great trick. yeah it's a good one yeah yeah i don't know why more magicians don't do it when they go on vacation and just where they watch a bit higher like it's such a funny idea but it's it's just one of those creative things that it's so difficult to do we've done magic routines where we've had to like break out in a song or you know like there was one time i had to do a magic trick to singing to hallelujah.

Was it like was it when you were in a band is that when it happened oh that's a good call i did used to be in a band that was it but so and i had i don't remember the lyrics because i made it up on the spot but i did this whole bit where instead of saying like hallelujah i was like i'm gonna fool you i'm gonna fool you and and i did this whole thing where like a cat ended up in my sock or whatever i made up on the spot but it was just one of those things that like it's it's

so crazy to be open to that but there's there's a lot of beauty in it like our good friend don chambers who's performed in agt and done you know broadway shows and so forth and and has an amazing fringe show which i implore you if you haven't seen it it's one of the craziest bits of magic you've ever seen there's routines that were born out of that like born out of doing the magic sports and so it sounds like have you seen this wizard wars this was on television like they

stole tim's idea and made a show out of it yeah i don't understand why that's 10 bitch about that is he but he's all disgruntled they stole my idea put it on tim never says that which is so upsetting because I see his stuff being stolen all the time and he never he never gets bitter about it he's just always he's so pure of heart when it comes to magic in fact we should I might invite him on the show if it's cool with you guys but he's just.

Maybe closer to the Melbourne Magic Festival because Tim Ellis. Is not only an amazing magician and the creator of magic sports he's. Also the director of the Melbourne Magic Festival so I might ask him to be part of the show leading up.

To it but it's it's a brilliant brilliant man and he's just so happy to see his magic ideas propagate forward and the thing is i'll talk about things that i'm kind of struggling on and tim will just spit out like brilliant ideas and i would say to him he's a fizzum award-winning magician is that correct. Yeah, so he was the first Australian to take home a FISM. I believe he got second. Okay. He was the first Australian.

The next one was just at the last FISM in which Simon Coronel ended up taking out the MicroMagic, which we're extremely proud of him for. He's a brilliant, brilliant dude. But Tim is just one of those guys who propagates magic forward in so many facets.

Tim not only does that, he creates these environments where we can – like the magicians at work thing that I made mentioned quite a few times where once a month we get together, we go to the art center, we perform for audiences and they give us feedback on our act. Like Tim mediated all that. He created all that. And I'm so thankful for a man because like, I would hate to think of a world with Tim, not in it. Like I I'm terrified to think of what will happen to the Melbourne magic scene.

Right. The day he doesn't, it is so important for a locale to have a strong professional with wisdom them and willing to share that stuff it will make or break your magic scene in any given locale i know across the united states there's some amazing uh large metropolises with great magic clubs and then you go to another place like new orleans is struggling right now because there isn't someone that's really you know not just willing to hold it down

but also reach out to the youth and foster that community and ingratiate you know the new blood yeah a lot of work absolutely and for reference the laneway theater is in tim's home like it is interesting so tim has an amazing home firstly and anyone has experienced it like when you first arrive it's very it's down it's down a laneway which is why it's called the laneway theater.

It's very well hidden when you find it it's kind of exciting you but you're buzzed in you walk walk through a graveyard it's in his house but it's a graveyard and you go through you walk through a coffin to then enter the theater and it's it's amazing theater in his house it's part of the house or separate correct i mean you're welcome to look up the laneway theater and pop it up on the screen but effectively what it what it what it is is this was tim's rehearsal space,

and what had happened was tim's a big movie buff and what was happening was one of the local musical theaters, cinema, movie theaters was having a makeover and they were getting rid of all the chairs there. So he took it upon himself to get like 50 chairs and then just brought them all to his home. And then he was like, I need some help. I'm like, what do you need, dude? And he's like, I'm putting a theater in my home. And so he built these tiered seats, which you'll be able to see.

So that's the graveyard at the very top of the screen for those who are watching on the YouTube. And of course, if you are listening, we'll talk you through it, but.

Basically built a tiered seating situation put in really comfortable high back chairs, which are from the movie theater so you're super comfy they got a cup holder and everything and you can just sit there and enjoy beautiful bits of magic and that is it like that is his oh there's me yeah that's his situation there and so it's it's a really really really beautiful thing to be a part of so about 50 seats you say yeah yeah it's about part it would seem like parking would be a bit cumbersome for

this no not at all i mean because it's basically almost it's just just out of 10 as far as its location within melbourne it's a little place called north good and it's effectively suburbia so there's no restriction to parking and as well as that there is a tram line that leads right to his like to that location it's like literally stops 10 meters in front of his home. So it's just such a wonderful thing to be a part of, man.

Like it's, and Rebel contest to it, you know, who was actually there, like no one, it's one of those things that should be doing a lot more things than what it is doing, you know? And I feel that if the scene all got behind it and really pushed it, it would be. Like I must see locate, you know, I mean, look, there's a show Friday show, Saturday, Wednesday. It's seeing it's things are happening and you know, it seems like he keeps it busy.

Absolutely. This is like, I love seeing, I love seeing places like this. It looks like a beautiful little venue. Yes. I mean, I have one of my own one day. Yeah. Well, hopefully next year we'll, we'll have you come down and we'll actually do a show at the, the mountain magic festival.

So what do you think let's go i'm ready yeah so outside of that i don't know if josh had another more speak pipes or spitballing setup do you know i don't know i no one keeps me informed of anything except what time to show up well he's just that didn't even happen today it's five minutes before the podcast i'm looking for the link to this shenanigans.

Don't even know where to go welcome back just we just explained all the amazing things happening at the laneway theater and what was involved with all the magic sports and some of the things we created how i had to shave my legs to do something uh to create a wonderful piece of magic but i had a question about that coat is that standard bit and someone showed the the adult sized, magician as or that was all yeah just wait a

minute you know what i've never asked him where it actually came from but it's it's enormous like it's huge and right and and so what it's it's it splits at the back so the front of it's all sealed in the back is all split so once you go in with your arms by your side then somebody puts their arms around you and goes through the actual sleeves and then people do their their bits like one of the here's one of the funniest things right

so check this out there's a route there's a routine where i have to like go outside and then the the audience make up a trick and the audience said, says this, they were like, okay, there's a potato. All right. It levitates and then turns into a duck and quacks. Yes. And then I sit down in the chair with LJ behind me. And he has to, with his hands, try and explain that to me. And I'm trying to figure out what he's saying. And the weird thing was, this is what LJ kept saying for potato.

He kept reaching towards Tim's chest and doing this. And I was like, you take a human heart. And I'm like, what the? And this was his pantomime for like- Potato. For potato. And I'm like, I can't understand it.

If you make a ball and then wiggle your fingers back and forth that doesn't look like a potato to me if you should just point it to my head that looks like a potato this not this so it's a hard that's a hard one potato yeah yeah but i got it in the end it was quite hard to get there but like yeah oh yeah absolutely and then i had to do this like and then i had to do it to josh and i was trying to explain to him like what a saucepan was and you know he's a

young kid he probably doesn't cook and i couldn't like i'm like saucepan man like like pan and it was like ladle spoon i'm like no i'm pointing to the pan like it was it was hilarious so it's it's good times yeah, i think that's it for us matthew mosley thank you he did send in one as a joke it didn't really come through in the audio well enough to really play so i might i might leave that one so we can and save it for, for another week, but that's all I speak pipes this week.

But on the magic sports, like that's a kind of funny thing that could be done, you know, at a live magic guys viewing one day, but maybe we just do a different variation where it's because it's magicians watching magicians, so we can really, you know, do triumph with linking rings or, you know, I dunno, just come up with stupid stuff like that. And also if you had to shave your legs, how did it feel to like like consciously shave an area that like.

You don't need to like that has hair, but you have to purposefully shave it off as opposed to us. Yeah. These are the hot topics our listeners really want.

Exactly. Well, I had to do it with an exacto knife. So I had an exacto knife. Cause like one thing, whenever you're doing these, these shows, like you bring so many props. I got a suitcase and I filled it with everything, like everything, you know, because you don't want to just get up there and do like 50 different variations of card tricks.

You want to do stuff with like bits of fruit so this or that and you know and so i was like okay so gotta make sure i have double stick tape gotta have an exacto knife gotta have scissors gotta have you know whatever i can gotta have thumb tips gotta have sponge gotta have like you name it because you never know what's going to happen when it comes time to create you know like speaking of like the maker trick no joke one time

a guy donated his prosthetic leg that's a winner like Like, how's that for an object? You want to try to create a trick with a prosthetic leg? Have you seen Chris Korn's recent ad? Oh, man. I'm going to have to check it out. I don't want to ruin it for anyone who sees it. I'm not going to.

But he can use that leg. Yeah. By the way, I know the deadline, because we're all magicians here, the deadline for auditioning for Penn & Tell's Fool Us is in, I think it's in the U.S., in two days time, did you guys, any of you guys submit something or anyone in the chat submit something? So I'm going to tell you, I'm going to submit a video today.

And I just want to start the journey here by just saying that and we'll see what happens, but I don't know why you guys aren't, I mean, why wouldn't you Doug, you're in the U S or that just doesn't interest you. It's some kind of weird procrastination syndrome that prohibits me from getting anything done. There's my excuse. And Nick, who has lots of creative substance in his veins, who just spoke with Brian Saint, who bloody is a direct line to the show. You should already have a trophy, Nick K.

You have no excuse. That's really kind of you to say, friends. But I think it's, you know, the difficulty being myself and performing as often as I do is that I don't allow myself enough time to create. You know, like I'm so envious of...

Everyone being able to have the time to play with cameras more and do things like that but it's not only just for myself i'm i'm managing dozens and dozens of yeah yeah all right all right all right yeah yeah i know you're a busy guy you're a busy guy i did consider a submission for this for this show and i set about filming it at a magic convention and was unhappy with my performance and did not submit the footage i think submitting a live performance of an effect is

a ups your chance of being selected. Perhaps, yeah. They literally just want footage of it to see from a producer's point of view. But imagine if that's for an audience. And that's kind of what I put my mind to it. And I only took one shot at this when I put my mind to it. You know what? I'll do it. I actually remember that I do have a video somewhere. Let's go.

That's what I'm talking about. about i have a if the three of us do it it ups our chances to one of us representing the magic guys, on the show that's what i'm talking about will you shoot some other deadline must do item in the next two days when is it you could literally on this stream do an audition and cut that clip and send it to them and it would literally be submitted you know actually i thought it would It would be that easy.

And I phoned it in last year and they were like, they got back to me like this. Yeah. You can't phone it in, you know? So I sent them a tech talk and they're like, yeah, we're not really looking for tech talks. We need two and a half minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. And this is where it led me to be like, Oh, I need to film this for a live audience to take my time with it. Have you guys, you guys probably haven't seen my coin to glass stuff. I've seen it.

Yeah. I've seen it with the, yeah, that I've seen. It's good stuff. Since you've seen it, Josh, the amount of improvements and ridiculousness that goes into achieving that effect now is insane. It's, it's really just go in with that Cheetos routine, whatever the hell you were doing in that magic sports. Go with that. That'd be great. I could just put tell his arms through this stupid jacket and have him do everything. That'd be hilarious. There he is. Start shoving Cheetos on his face. Yeah.

You know what? That actually doesn't sound so bad. Okay. So you heard it here first. Nick is going to submit something. That's all I wanted to hear was the commitment. There's no trying. Do or do not. It's just doing good stuff. Anyway, you know, I'm going to submit something could lead to nothing, but it will definitely lead to nothing if I do nothing.

Thing and alex the magician the great female artist that we had on our show two years ago just her appearance just uh aired like this week so that was very cool to see a full circle moment it's so it's so cool to see anything aside from you know a middle-aged white man doing magic you know in general let's go true true dad we've held the ruse long enough A bunch of old honoree cusses, most of you. And now... You know who's developing a cool thing? It's Danny Orlean's daughter,

Leah Orlean. She's a tiny girl, big show.

She's building the Mystique Magic Festival, which will embrace female magic artists and other artists of, you know... You know... Open-minded frames of mind how do i say that i'm talking about lgbt and you know okay yeah i love that man yeah it's like this there we're out here let's embrace it right so leah orlean's mystique magic conference coming soon to vegas yeah you know like i you know one of my personal favorite favorite female performers would be Carissa Hendricks,

who does Lucy Darling. Oh, yeah, of course. Lucy Darling was born at the Melbourne Magic Festival. I've seen her in the advertisement for this Mystique conference, so I'm sure she'll be there. Actually, she's a superstar, dude. I'm going to write that down. She should be on this show, for sure. We should ask her to be part of the show.

If nothing but just to inspire more folks to get into magic like she is brilliant and the amount of work she went into even developing her character and even her accent that she performs in it's it's the best it's the best thing ever and and i love it because she would come back every year to perform at the melbourne magic festival but to the point now where she's so enormous that she doesn't she's not even able to fit that in her schedule but what i love is that like we'll be

be performing at the gala in which everyone does like a few minute spots and then she'll go i'm three years old today because that's when like today's my birthday she's like today's my birthday and i was like i love that because she quite literally gave birth to lucy darling like at the mal magic festival yeah and that's there's a great there's a great full show of hers performing at the chicago magic lounge the improv magic lounge or something

like that Is that what it's called in Chicago? It's on the social. Yeah. I remember watching it on YouTube. Amazing. Yeah. Like go watch it. The character development in that is just insane. Especially when you see footage of her out of character to realize how much character she's actually. Reportedly her penguin lecture is a highlight and discusses character development in depth. If you're into these things. That's it. I think it won an award

for one of the lectures of the year or something with penguin. penguin. Amazing. Look guys, we're out of time. I can't bloody believe it, but we're going to leave you the final word with Nick today.

Also, we have a new piece of merch coming soon that's in development, but I just want to, we just want to tease that a little bit. Now that, now that this podcast is three and a half years old, we've got a bit of history we can add into the detailing of, of stuff we bring out now and keep track of that. But anyway, thank you for watching. And Nick's got something else to say first. Also the discord will pop over there. I'll be on there for about a half hour.

So if you guys want to pop over and say, Hey, come and kick out for a little bit. We have some stories that I could have mentioned on air. Come over and say hi, where it's not recorded.

So in the spirit of what's been happening with all the creativity that I've been experiencing in the past week doing the magic sports, it's the best lesson I learned from that friends is to stay humble and not be afraid to fail. Not every game that we play in the sports magic sports game is something you're going to absolutely crush. And it's a wonderful thing because some people are so afraid to even try that they fail before even giving themselves permission.

So my advice heading out this week is try it. Don't be afraid to fail. And the more times you fail, the closer you get to being awesome. So stay awesome, do magic because you love it and do it because you want to see folks smile. And that is my final word. Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now. But we'll see you again on the next episode of the magic guys.