Inside DC’s Secret Museum! #208

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Ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 208 of the magic guys guys guys guys to my right today we've got nick k welcome to the show friends down below we've got daddy doug con what's up oh yeah i'm josh norbedo welcome to the show where we as professional magicians talk about our lives the things that go with it interview cool guests and talk about today david copperfield's secret museum bloody i have i have forever in a day wanted to

be a part of of that tour and i think my like i would cry if i saw some of the things that exist within that museum i mean oh we you would i seared up several times yeah i will definitely all the ones that that that that would have affected you but like.

You know you got to know where you came from to know where you're going and i really enjoy doing these history pods where we talk about some of the figures in in the history game it is so special that you know there is a single place thank you mr david copperfield for bringing that together and sharing it with us but man if there's ever an opportunity to scope that out i would far out i would hop a flight i would hop on the flight and just go without even thinking about it so yeah i I mean,

should we jump straight into what it's like to be the experience from like the moment you arrive?

Like, can we give us the build? Like, first of all, how do you even get an invite to something that exclusive? Yeah. First thing you do is manifest your destiny, right? So you make a dream like Nick's talking about and set your goals. And this was one of mine for sure. When I was coming to Las Vegas, I knew that this museum was something I wanted to do. And then one of the top three or four things really. So that's step one.

I happen to have made pretty good buddies with Nick Defott, who is a wonderful comedy magician you might be familiar with. He's currently, or he just wrapped up headlining the Mad Apple show here in, I guess, the Cirque du Soleil production. And got a message from him Friday. I might've been in the middle of the night and he said, here's Kenner's number. You're going to the museum tomorrow. And so I messaged Chris Kenner and now I have Chris Kenner's cell number. Let's go.

And we'll start the bidding at $900. Let's all message him at the same time and say, send nudes. There's going to be so much flex on this podcast today. From yeah yeah bloody hell and i said yeah be here at 11 15 p.m which is generally past my bedtime but i took a nap and i got up at 10 p.m and went to corby's yeah i have a couple pictures.

So Corby's is the storefront They portray it as David's father's, Haberdashery And the initials of this business Have to do with his family And this is where the tour starts At Corby's There's about eight of us in the middle of the night Right outside the Mandalay Bay In a warehouse district And Chris greets everyone And we have a little soiree there I met one of your buddies From down under at that soiree jackson aces that's right yeah that was wild to see the photo

on facebook of youtube meeting up and just uh yeah yeah jackson had messaged me he was doing something here some kind of gig i think with the rugby league which was in town doing some stuff. And he needed help with the show and i turned. Him on to a cool street performer on fremont and it was nice to give a young young artist the opportunity to work with a bigger stage event like jackson was doing but yes i knew he.

Was in town didn't know he would be at copperfields there are some other luminaries there you might have heard of the shocker greg dowell he does the wrestling character he's been on the late night magic show you know as a wrestling fan yeah pretty happy to see his face yeah they were doing a show at the orleans uh during magic live it's i think i think run by bizarro if memory says correct and i saw bizarro last week and this saturday they're

actually wrapping up that venue and their last performance will be on the 8th so i'm gonna go see they're renovating the showroom so they might come back to that space but for a while it'll be the last one and again another show i was on my checklist bizarro and friends of late night magic the shocker you know i was looking to meet him and another person is holly england often a female magician and she was at museum as well so yeah wow so so

you guys are all gathered around what appears to be this haberdashery you mentioned which is a reflection of copperfield's father's shop when they first when they first immigrated to the u.s wow i don't know the exact history of that but i can I can show you the store maybe here. I don't know if this will pick it up too. So that's the Corby storefront. And the photo opportunities are limited here. I have one maybe. There I am with your buddy, Jackson.

There he is. If he's your buddy, you might hate him. I don't know. He's a great guy. I don't know your skit. And then if you peek in the window, there's some David Copperfield memorabilia. It's interesting. He said when he was starting out, they used to print bags and flyers and take them out to the New York City streets to promote the event.

So, yeah, in the parking lot, we're all out there. it's about 11 30 and then here comes david pulling up in a car and chris is like david's here it's time to start i'm curious does he i don't imagine this guy drives i imagine he is like chaperoned everywhere yeah probably i don't imagine he's driven a car since he was like 20 chris canner has confirmed he doesn't have a driver's license he doesn't drive like like zero percent chris has a license

let me tell you about the speedster he was driving out of there.

I don't know what it was but it went and left very quickly, to work he's got a nice ride i know that one of the jobs of being an assistant of david copperfield is you have to to drive him you know from the theater to his home and things like that and i believe i believe people that would start working they didn't know that was a job of this And they're like, I don't have a car that's like equipped to drive this kind of magic royalty around. And he's like, yeah, don't worry about it.

So you might be in Vegas and you just see a normal, I don't know what the brands are over there. A normal Corolla. And you look over it, you got bloody DC in the car. But okay, yeah. So he just rocks up. And I guess that's when you know, all right, it's go time. Right. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's very much a scripted event from David's end, right?

Like he, he, what, what happens here is David does very much theatrical pieces in this museum, presenting the different areas and magic effects and some of the history.

Chris provides the tour guide experience a little more q a and chris seems to know everything about everything like you know he was explaining the poster process for putting these big sheets on the canvas and you know how those end up in display and huge racks i can imagine i can imagine he'd be deeply into that if you've ever been to chris's home he has he's a very big movie buff and has amazing posters.

He actually has one of Jaws that compasses the entire wall. And it's a very large home he has, you can imagine. And movie memorabilia is as far as the eye can see in some capacity. He's got an armory of a lot of guns and things that were used in previous movies. So it's, yeah, trust Chris to have a great knowledge of those sort of experiences.

There's also another magician. He's in Queensland, isn't he? Who collects posters. His name escapes me now. Dang it. But yeah, he has like hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of like posters and they're all like, he's got like an entire floor of his house dedicated to it and they're filed away. That's how many he has. But yeah. You know, like posters, the size of your wall, he must've had a hundred on a rack. And these are posters from the 1800s or 1900s.

Beautiful, vibrant colors. These Thurston and Carter and Dante and just. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's really amazing how not excited you are about posters until you're actually in front of them. You're in front of a genuine panel that's been torn off a building and it was there promoting the show at the theater. I realized they were producing these with such elegance and beauty a hundred years ago.

It's really amazing that they were able to do what they did in quantity and that it survived time as well as it has, at least on display in David's museum.

Him he does restore i think some of the items yeah yeah it's a shame to almost think how many of these posters were just thrown to the trash and you know never to be seen again when they're actual not only bits of magical history but beautiful pieces of art yeah yeah well thanks to guys like dc who i i termed it his passion project which is you know very much what it is a labor of love it's there's no admission price to go see this and he's been

doing this for like 20 years now him and chris taking people through this i consider it a walk through time you know to to see all of our great masters come to life and you see their props and and just to unselfishly share this collection i think is a beautiful thing you know it's like wow now just to be clear there's a question was in the chat this is an invite only experience correct yeah and i know people here that are kind of like wow you got to go.

I've been here years and haven't i've been wishing i can you know and i'm like sorry but i think also yes i'm a little bit older than some of those guys i've been around a while i've done a few more things you know so when you do a few more things you might get the invite a little quicker so so currently we're we've had a bit of a chat we're in this shop at what point does it go from this shop and how does it transition into going into a museum.

So in the shop, David explains about his family and yada, yada. He gives everyone a business card from actually like it's his boy business card. So you get a little memorabilia at that point. And then...

He opens a secret door from this haberdashery room, and suddenly we're in, essentially, the museum tour starts in a media room. So we all sat down on some nice couches and watched a sizzle reel for about five minutes, you know, remembering David's greatest works and getting some of his references into modern media and how much of an icon he is, which he really is, right? Right. This media room houses his Emmys, which are like two dozen. Oh, wow.

It's so insane to be like, here we go. And well, there is 24 Emmys. And that speaks volumes that a magic variety show can attain notoriety in its field, you know, and well-deserved. He worked his butt off on those shows. You know how much work goes into editing a TikTok.

Imagine doing it for national television an hour worth of solid magic yeah yeah meaningful math beautiful meaningful heartfelt magic oh man so you're in this media room you then press on into a so after the media room we go to a photo op which is through a few stage illusions like i I don't know. Can we see DC floating in here? Yep. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Barely. That's a generic photo op that we take. And I think it gives a couple of things for the tour to get situated here.

And we're doing this like the death saw is in this room. You know, that big spiral. The real one. Nice. So big. You know, the floating couch illusion is in this room.

And this room is also a bit under construction. they're building an elevator and accordingly it's always under construction this place does not rest on its laurels they're always doing something there so yeah we do our here's the best stuff okay we do the photo op and we go through and david begins his presentation on how he got started in magic he said he saw a pitchman at macy's and he had the gentleman's name and he had the trick this gentleman was

doing as a little a little board where things appeared and vanished on top of the board and it was really nice to hear about the first trick that he saw and what he thought of the guy that did it and how he purchased the trick from this pitchman and this is happening like under a spotlight on the pitch counter and there's music going on and then he says this he He says, and then I discovered Tannins, Tannins Magic Shop, and then the lights come up, and you are in Tannins.

Let me flip around Trick Supply here a little bit and give you an idea. We're in the Magic Shop here. We can look at what a Magic Shop looks like. So imagine, you know, elegant magic from Tannins in the mid 70s, expertly recreated with sound music, expert lighting and David Copperfield talking about his, his, you know, comeuppance through Tannins and some of the magicians that he met in that space. Now, Doug, I'm curious, how much has Tannins changed over the years?

Like I've visited it every time I go to New York. Yeah. And it looks, it does seem to change every now and again. Like I asked David, he had an emblem on the ground and I was like, is that from the original Tannins? He said, no, we had to reproduce this because, and then he explained that this, the Tannins now is in a totally different location than the one that he used to go to.

So this store has very much changed. But I think the current owner has kind of like captured the essence that it had back in the day that maybe it had lost for a couple decades with other owners. So I think if you go to Tannins now, you'd be pretty happy to be there and, you know, in that environment. It's great. I'll tell you, I'd be real happy to be in David Copperfield's version of Tannins.

It's just breathtaking. that is the way to sell magic effects is to have the theater lighting go down the spotlight on music starting to play in the background.

He's got a set of tar bells on the on the counter and he picks up tar bell seven and flips to the page where his first effect was published at the age of 16 he's in tar bell number seven harry lorraine put the minto pin in there and david had a box with that item for i don't know it's a it's a real trick because that's my trick from parbell wow what what is a 16 david copperfield like like because when did he start getting aired on tv doug was it in his early 20s wow he had some great stories

about that too he used to work with doug henning in his early days mentoring him and Doug Henning actually cast him aside, insinuating that he was too big to do the work that needed to be done.

The illusions and the trap doors were. Oh, physically too big. Right. Chris later tells the story of when David buys some of Doug Henning's collection, and he said, right off the truck, David got the metamorphosis out and got inside it and climbed out of the trap door and went, fuck you, Doug Henning. Oh. It's so funny. Ah, uh, I can, but you know, Doug, Doug was like what? Five, three or something. So you get a David is six foot and Doug Henning's a small dude. So I can understand, you know?

Yeah. I remember Dave being about my height. So, and I don't know if he's shrunk all too much given his age. I know that does happen. Plus he's got the padding. He projects like six inches bigger than he actually is. Let's talk about that real quick.

So this is, this is a legitimate thing where, so the theory is, for those listening that you know he's how old's copperfield now 60s i think, possibly even 70s 55 he's got to be pushing 70 maybe there you go so he doesn't look like he looks like he looks better than me he looks like a billionaire that's what it is but yeah basically your physicality and testosterone that leaves your body like you don't have a Nibido type physique forever. Okay. 68. That's how old he is.

We're pushing 70. I was told this a long time ago that he actually wears a body suit and then puts on his shirts and so forth.

That would be a lot of, process. I can't imagine, you know, the hair. The hair is probably not his. I mean, it's his, but There's some work going on, for sure.

I wonder if, because I've heard about the bodysuit as well, and I've also, I've not seen him with my own eyes, but I've seen, I've heard people talk about how, there are certain photos out there that actually he does look square, like because of the yeah padding or whatever but but i wonder if he actually does that also because in some of his illusions he has to be wearing some kind of harnesses and stuff so by always having that look to him it never changes when

he's doing different effects i wonder like doing chung wing su but he's david copperfield i was just thinking that yeah yeah Yeah, I wonder if that's what it has to do with. Chen Ling Su was a big feature of this tour, as were all the great magicians, every single one of them. Wait, you tell me he has the fishbowl in the warehouse? Does he have the exact fishbowl? I mean, you can only show so many props. Let's say we get done with Tannen's room, and now we're going to begin our walk

through the history of magic. And this room might have actually scratched that after Tannins, you walk through, I guess it's like the ultimate magic shop where he has every single prop you can freaking imagine, you know, displayed in row after row after row, elegantly lit and, you know, all the Thayer stuff, all the Mickamay stuff, all the Abbott stuff, you know, and it's just row after row after row.

That's what happens after the Tannen shop because if you think that was a cool shop this one you know you want a ball and base which one of the 50 would you like to look at.

Yeah like I got a gig on the weekend DC do you mind if I, borrow bloody some Ty Vernon's cups and balls and he performed a couple of the pieces too as you come into this room he had like just a little little weird wooden things that aren't really even super foolers but obviously that are, special to him and I'm not even sure what I saw, but it was cool, you know? And so he's given a demonstration of some of these items as well.

I asked him if he rotates the items. He goes, yeah, I change it up all the time. Did you see the way? I'm just talking to David Copperfield. Like, hey, Dave, you do that? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Did you get to see a performance of the orange tree? I've heard he has an orange tree illusion. Yeah. So that wraps up the tour, basically.

Um well let's say that's a jump ahead yeah i was gonna ask myself because there's there's you know so i i have the copperfield history of magic book which is basically examples of the things he has in his museum and i i read this uh only a few months ago and saw so many beautiful things so like can we can we talk about some of the things that you saw as far as histories related because what i'm most interested in is the one that we spoke about a

few weeks ago where we're talking about the human index was that jacket on display.

That was not mentioned. Is that like a sideshow act, like a vaudeville act where he produced any paper at will? Or are you talking more about Jimmy Grippo? Yeah, I'm talking about the Arthur Lloyd one that we spoke about a few weeks ago where you would say something to the effect of, so just a quick brief history on this. This particular person would have a cloak, a jacket, if you will, I've kind of shown here.

And they would say name any card and they go four hearts he's like no no no any card and he's like all right amex and he goes boom and pulls out an amex so yeah and so he would he was this human index and was able to produce like almost anything and then what happened was after he'd passed copperfield purchased it and what had happened was they emptied out all the pockets dry cleaned and then sent it to him because they said

it was kind of dirty and dusty we didn't want to do that but the thing is by doing that all the secrets that lied within whoops yeah and so that secret is now lost to time yeah and i just thought imagine like seeing that that would have been i'll reminisce a bit about kind of the way it went through because you can how much can you show in really two hours right you gotta like and when you show things it starts with people that influence david like marvin roy mr electric

who did an act with all electricity he's got his 5 000 watt light bulb there channing pollack is shown mark wilson. Vernon has a section. Cardini has a section. These are kind of more modern masters that David would have been influenced by as a aspiring artist. Did he celebrate any female magicians like Adelaide Herman?

The very last thing we went through is a new exhibit that focuses on women in magic. The newest area is it's a research area where there's just volumes and volumes, these folders. You know, like I looked in one and there's four volumes of Kalang, the magician, you know, magazine articles, newspaper clippings and things like that. And just think, so if you want to research any magician, that's there. And then as you walk through that, you go into the women in magic section.

This will give you an idea of how David is. They couldn't get one of the TVs to turn on. He calls the guy at home at one in the morning to ask this dude where his remote is.

You know you can imagine being on david's workforce you know the phone's going to ring at one in the morning sometimes i guess they didn't find the remote and he was obviously displeased i don't think he likes it when things don't go well so well you don't get to where he is without you don't get to where he is without this element of perfection you know yeah so yeah you gotta respect the hustle yeah prior to that he did

speak of other women in magic i was surprised to hear that Adelaide Herman from the Herman family, who was really one of our forefathers, was one of the more successful acts from that lineage. Adelaide Herman, female magician. And then you see how that act actually got passed down and you get to see this whole lineage from. Alexander Herman to Keller, and Keller passed it to Thurston, and Thurston passed it to Dante.

And I guess some other guys might've got it then, but fascinating how really the great magicians were all built upon kind of Alexander. You know, they started with what he was doing and just made it bigger and bigger and bigger. And when, when Keller passed the mantle to Thurston, it was a financial transaction. You know, it wasn't a mentor telling someone you're great and you deserve the, no, it was Thurston shelling out the box to get Keller's open.

Case so that his tour would be a success wow and so on.

Did they talk much about like you know expert at the card table and their theories on who possibly you know urdinese and might be did they did not you know we the only really close-up focus was given to dive vernon and i did ask if marlo had a section and chris talked a bit about marlo marlo i guess did not have a section but close-up magic was not the forte of this evening's experience and you know i don't think it's david's passion as much so probably

that's why you know he's a stage guy he does you're saying there's no shin limb exhibit in there yet if there was that would have been when i took a nap during the tour a little few z's rested my eyes for a minute i was gonna ask if there was anything of max malini's in there but he was sort of notorious for arriving at events with nothing on him and just improv-ing awesomeness. I'm sure there is. I'm confident that there's something from everyone of notoriety in this room.

I can't imagine that anyone's left out. If anything's left out, it's just the amount of time that he can tell stories on the tour.

Yeah, Magic Buzz is asking, what about the moon? Did he have the moon in his way? You know, I probably would not have got a favorable glance if I'd asked that question. That's funny. Oh, so much. So Chunling Su, was his gun actually there that was used for his? There was. Yeah. There was. Is it a rifle? Is it a handheld thing? Rifle. Rifle. Musket kind of deal. Wow. Damn. All the people we just mentioned, he showcased props from, you know, the original sawing in half was there.

The original floating lady was there. You know, and he showed the rig and explained about how it's probably not what you think it is. And we got... Yeah, I imagine that he probably has the largest collection of Houdini's stuff. So that's kind of where this tour just keeps getting more and more intense. After you leave, we see David's influences in history, and then we see the history of magic from, like I just said, Herman and Thurston.

And then we go into the granddaddies, which are Houdini and Houdan. And this area is huge. and really who Dan gets the lion's share of the time and in this space we get to see his his clocks that have no you know no gears on them they're like encased in glass the half the hands move you know and he was making these in the 1800s a couple of the pieces of the autonomons.

He displayed one where a bird was singing and the woman was telling the bird it was the wrong song and the bird corrected the song very ornate we got to price and i asked well how much is something like this worth oh there's really no way to tell but probably in the neighborhood of 15 to 20 million dollars, it's a wind-up toy holy crap not just a wind-up toy so apparently these items are more desirable outside of the magic community as well so there's a large collector base of wealthy

individuals who will pay big prices for these and how many do you reckon he had of those, oh like more than They highlighted several. Just to give you an example, there was six different clocks that Chris gave the lineage of, of how Houdan improved them. And after he was done telling that you look to the wall and there's 30 more clocks just there, you know? So you can imagine how many autonomes there are. What's the word? Whatever that is.

Automatons. Yeah. A lot. Including the orange tree really. Cause that's the ultimate.

Well, yeah. So did you see, the orange trigsaw would be brought to tears if i saw it yeah yeah so the a couple of performances happened i mentioned that earlier like i get to pick a card from david earlier a ring was borrowed earlier the ring vanished i had the card in my pocket he did three revelations the my card was found with a card star you know the the stars where the cards appear on the point of the cards He just goes like this to the stage where there's

three card stars and all of them explode. And there's 30 of my cards staring at me suddenly, you know, old school magic instantly brought to life unexpectedly. It was great. The first ring reveal was not the orange bush. He vanished the ring a second time. This thing just grows. If you've seen the movie The Illusionist, it looks just like that in real life. And if you haven't seen the movie The Illusionist, you're doing it wrong. That's a good one with Edward Norton.

This thing just takes some dirt, drops the dirt in the pot, puts some seeds in, and an orange bush blossoms. The oranges can be plucked and given to the audience at the crescendo of the orange bush. Two birds fly up like little hummingbirds. A handkerchief opens between the birds and dangling from the middle of them is the finger ring that lady had, you know, loaned earlier.

I've got to be honest. I always thought that the explanation of that trick was an exaggeration, but it's, it's real, isn't it? It looks like real magic. it was the second effect of that nature that he had performed there was a rose bush earlier that he also performed in that same set i was talking about and the lady gets the roses as well so holly england's walking out of there with roses that david produced from a blooming rose bush also.

Unreal that's crazy i mean surely it's only a matter of time until Copperfield decides that that's just going to be his main gig now. Yeah, I wonder how much time he just hangs out in there and enjoys life. All of the exhibits have video elements. So when he's talking about Houdini, you see video of Houdini. When he's talking about Cardini, you see Cardini and Di Vernon.

And these are sometimes animated, like he'll say, and then there was Houdini, and they'll point to this thing and a curtain just comes off the television on its own.

He did a he did a he had jackson write down a name jackson wrote down a name earlier on the tour and then he brought one of houdini's talking head illusions to life so you would get to see how this spirit manifested and the talking head spoke the name that jackson had had written down earlier damn imagine that at a corporate gig you've just got this this head and it can reveal, yeah it looked like a head on a sword one of those deals you know but the head just kind of manifested itself,

One of the cool ones I liked was he had a Mark Wilson display from the world's fair and like the eighties or the seventies. And it was just two hands just, and it looked like they were mechanical hands in this on their own, in this metal stage. It's like, watch the magic hands magic of the future. And these hands just instantly animated and did a couple of magic tricks and then went back to robotic. It was very fooling for me. There had to be hands in there, but I'm not sure how. Oh, excuse me.

Just unexpected things like that. You know, he's talking about Mark Wilson. He's like, oh, and then I got this thing. Unreal. Oh, so let me continue because I left out the best part. Kind of. I mean, it's all the best part.

After you go through the Houdan and Houdini exhibits, the library. So you get to see the reproduction of the Houdini library. That's one of the photo ops. Maybe I can bring that up here.

So they recreated houdini's library and you get a chance to take a picture standing in front of it, but this library here yes if you've seen the photo of houdini in his library that image is faithfully recreated in this room and then from there you go into copperfield's main library, i asked how chris how many books were in there and he said over 10 000 that's almost as big as your library, Doug? Not even close. I have databased a library that had 5,000 titles and this room

was about four times that size. Holy crap. I asked Chris, I said 10,000? I said, is there that many magic books? He said there's over 100,000. There's over 100,000 unique magic titles. I've heard that we have more educational titles than just about any other, certainly art, like, you know.

Music or painting you know the magic references are the biggest i had no idea it was that many hundred thousand you know one thing i i always say proudly is you know when performing for corporates and so forth you know and and they might freak out as to what you charge or whatever else and i explained to them that i probably spent more money on my magic education than you did being a lawyer yeah and there's a lot of truth in that man like

over the for me the past 17 years you know, with it being 2025 now, the investment I put in myself every single year to learn magic.

Yeah i wake up right it doesn't stop being expensive either it stays expensive no that's right yeah i just bought you know my registration to magic light and then i'm gonna buy flights and i just spent four hundred dollars on something on the magic marketplace and i was like yeah what we do oh we got another photo oh that's an aerial shot so once you go through the history of magic there and like in that bookcase is the discovery of witchcraft at the

bottom all the posters this is just kind of just the one of the very big rooms one of the few chances you get to take a picture i saw tim asking if he was cool with photos there's a few times and that's one of them where he says all right if you want a picture now's your chance and that just gives you a small taste that's one of nine experiences that just that one cavernous room alex lamb made a funny comment saying that there was no no rocky raccoon exhibit and i think.

That would be hilarious rockies there if you ever go to visit dave williamson's, farm and he's like here's my museum and he's got all these different rockies yeah that would be hilarious i know that he's got a couple of weird ones like two-headed rockies and stuff like that that's cool yeah and i remember you know not more than five years ago he was like if you ever find one buy it just buy it i'll pay for i'll pay it later like just whenever you find one and and i think now they're recreating

them in a pretty okay standard but if anyone was at magic live there's a hilarious i saw them filming this and it's now on socials where, webber was handing williamson rockies and he was looking at them and like smelling them like they or a cigar. He'd look at them, check them, smell the tail and be like, throw them. No good. He gets another one. He was just checking and being like, no good and throwing them away. So ridiculous. The history is such an important thing.

And that library, I wonder how much of it is just not to be touched. I wonder if he actually employs folks who do nothing but study books and report to him They have three researchers is what Chris called them on, you know, when we were going through the research room, I said, well, how many people work here? Oh, three people. So all the, all the books are behind glass. God, so beautiful.

But in that research room, that's extra beyond the library. So once you leave the library, then you go into this room, you know, they're folders. So it's like these things, right? One after the other, you know, it's like Kalang, Kalang, Kalang. So let me see what Kalang did in 1700, you know? Okay, got it, you know? And it's just wall after wall after bookcase after bookcase just filled with these things. And that's beyond like the newspaper room, you said, with all David's references and so on.

Yeah you know that it really spins me out like when you hear stories like you know most recently with pen and teller coming to visit in australia and seeing some of the effects they did in their show which was totally amazing only for them to be like oh yeah that's that's that's like a burglars idea we just changed this one bit about it and you're like god it's so hard getting your hands on this knowledge so hard getting your hands on these books you know it's where's

the right stuff which was his first book he couldn't point it out because man i don't even have a copy of that one because if it's here it's probably over here i was like what you don't have your own book in this library y'all know that book the right stuff no i haven't heard of it it was chris kenner's first book authored by john mendoza and i think the late 80s i think i've only got out of control signed actually which i bought right i'll sign so huh wow look

at you bud it's not signed but it will be got kenner's cell phone now yeah true true bloody hell i think i want to do thanksgiving with matt king and i want to be at chris kenner's magic live party so i'm a step closer to both of those things oh he doesn't do magic live parties no more but only for cool people, maybe you don't know about it. Oh, that's probably why. No, he probably doesn't. He's probably like, screw these nerds. Too much rigmarole.

I have daughters now that are teenagers. Don't need those geeks over here. I'm sure he could convince Chris Kenner to do his own Chris Kenner party. Screw it. We'll just have our own. We'll have it. We'll just make it the official Doug Conn Magic Live party. Look, there'll be an abundance of penthouse parties to, if you know the right people, you will be dragged along to them. No shortage of parties for Magic Live. Yeah. The one I want to go to is the trick supply after dark with Doug Conn.

Big time. That's the main one. Let's just make that the main who's who of Magic after party. I wonder what it's like to party with Doug Conn. Does Doug Khan party or is he more of a, let's have a cup of tea and talk magic? Dude, when it's party time, I throw down. Just to be clear, when it's party time, I throw down Doug Khan. No, I do. And because I'm older and it hurts more, I don't party that much, but I still go for sure.

Doug has messaged into our group chat saying, hey, boys, I'm partying this weekend. So I know I'm not going to be on the pod next week.

Oh yeah that's how it is for me you got to plan the next day or two off, yeah yeah back in the day i could do it day after day but that's not me anymore, well yeah i feel you man because even when i was at magic live my drinking game was pretty minimal i did go there a week early and did a lot of my drinking prior with with friends that that i'd made along the way but yeah when when the actual convention was going down and it's also just a laborious task of

having to wait in line at the alligator bar to get a drink and you know what i mean yeah generally i'll do just the last day for the drinking if i'm going to drink at a convention you know that's that that's clever and remember to take your pre-workout with you, as we talked about in many episodes yeah i can't wait i can't wait for this year finally.

Seven years later i make a return oh yeah that's gonna be great well we we should we'll talk about the logistics of that off air, but like whether or not we go there early or late or whatever. The other thing I was going to do when I visited Vegas that I didn't get around to, unfortunately, just because, you know, when you have opportunities of people going like, we're going to go do this thing we want you to come with, you've got to say, yes, sir.

There was a punk rock museum in Vegas that I really want to go to. And they actually have punk rock royalty, if you will, given the tour. And I would love to be a part of that. And you can literally go to this punk museum and they have guitars from people like fat Mike of no effects and a bunch of others. You can just grab the guitar off the wall, have a little twang, put it back on the wall again.

And I think that would be really cool to experience. And then outside of that, like, I don't know if it's worth seeing the grand Canyon, but if I was gonna, we're going to do it in a chopper because I don't want to spend half a day on a bus. And thirdly is there is a supercar experience you can have. It costs a lot of money.

It's about $4,000 or something, but you spend the entire day driving millions of dollars worth of supercars. That's a Nikkei adventure. That's a Nikkei adventure, most definitely. Does the helicopter, because I've been to the Grand Canyon, does the helicopter land somewhere so you can actually physically get out and breathe the air and look at. Good question. That's a good question. And all I know is that I was told to make sure you do

the chopper and don't ride the bus. It's going to take you half a day. Right. Yeah. Look, I will say when I went and looked at it, we drove. So we drove out there because we had a car and stuff. How many hours was that? How many hours was that in the car? I do not remember. This is when I was 21. About two and a half, three hours. I've looked at the mileage. I was excited to go see it as one of the things. and I'm like, I might be bumped back a little bit just because, you know, I don't want to

drive so much. That's awful and sad at the same time. Well, I mean, there's 8,000 things I want to do just here. So it's like, yeah, I did fly over it on the way in. So I was like, there it is. When you, yeah, and it's so big. So flying probably does let you see the, you know, the entire, but driving into it, just driving to it And then you standing on the edge of it and just seeing how freaking big it is, is pretty cool.

Well, next week I do get to drive through it. Maybe I think it's on the way here from New Orleans.

So I will be flying back to New Orleans to finish the move here. I just got into my apartment Friday. So, oh yeah. I think I'll be here next week. Although we got to talk about time changes and then I'm going to miss a week while I'm, you know, getting my cats, my wife.

You we talked earlier about what are your favorite effects of the week or that you're looking at or you found in the shop was it there and we put something in our description of this video was there something let's do a plug then yeah sure yeah i was on our newsletter that wolf gang puts out every week you can go trick supply sign up for our newsletter get the news and unlike some of the companies when you get an email from trick supply

you get cool stuff that you don't know about because everyone else sends out the same thing wolfgang put this thing in here this is the production deck this is i guess here's the actual thing and i read the directions for this old school miracle the production deck and i said that's this sounds this sounds too good to be true so this is a production deck let me see if i can put a highlight on myself, It looks very much just like a deck of cards, and some of the cards are real.

And if I was to relate this to something, it might be relatable to, like, a solid deception deck from Paul Harris. This deck has the ability to produce things from it. Let me see if I can just manifest a matchbox. What? Yeesh. Three being manifest. And Josh, if you could just think of a card. Yeah. One card inside. What card are you thinking of? Oh, damn. Four clubs? Yeah, it's right next to the three. Hey.

So this is just something that's in there as an idea to do like a follow-up effect for the appearance. I'm going to vanish it now so you can kind of see this thing in action. So this is an actual, just a matchbox. It could be anything about this size. I think it's designed for this object. No. Damn. So this is magnetically locked now. So whatever is in there is locked, and I'm going to show you the appearance. And you might see a little bit of the gimmick this way, but I think this is

striking as well. Watch the top of the deck. Yeah, wow. Maybe that's not the angle. Yeah, I did insinuate that, and I do think that it was made to produce things like this. Yeah. Either from the table or on top of your hand in this kind of fashion. Yeah. Does it, question from Alex Lamb, does it rattle when it's loaded? So, you know what I did earlier is put some coins in it. I thought it'd make a nice four, like a four coin production.

You could pull this, put it on the table and something like that will rattle. That's the way you do it, boys, right there. You put this down here, you lift it up, and then you show it. Don't do that, though. Please understand, this is day one for me of handling this drop. In fact, day, minute five. Like, you know, I've been a very busy magician today. Yeah. And then how big of an object, like, is that the thickness of an object that can fit in there?

So you know what i did earlier was i wanted to see if the an altoid 10 10 would work and that's about the most it i was thinking like of doing a card and box style routine maybe you're doing some card tricks and you ask someone if they would want a mint and the mint box that's funny and after that surprise you do the card folding and now their signed card is inside the matchbox or the mint box yeah it's about that size i'm not going to expose the inner workings but

if you can imagine cutting out the frame of a court card and then you have that much space then it's about you know half an inch about it's about that you know you know what i would do with this i would ask someone to like use a matchbox light the match flash paper produce the deck do like a whole deck routine and then just keep doing like instead of doing a card under box do a card under match box and then in between that you could do this deck switch for the gimmick and even like then

for me with my style of magic i would take the match box in the action to hand it to someone i'd vanish it using my techniques and then that box would immediately reappear over there card under box once again because you would just just drop it like i would be so sick like there is so much This is what I'm talking about. We got so many gems in the back room. And, you know, if you're on our newsletter, you're going to hear about five or six of them every week Wolfgang writes about.

Let's riff on this for a second of things that could go in there. The craziest thing that comes to mind for me, because... What really this is, is what, what could you produce that shouldn't be able to be concealed like just in a deck? What if, you know, you're doing Halloween or you want to freak someone out and you put like bloody cockroaches in there or something? There's an effect in the Paul Harris manuscripts where he describes a vanishing deck idea and he uses slime.

He produces a handful of slime in someone's hand. You could do something horrible like that. How about, how about, how about, do something weird? Yeah. Imagine a real roach. And it's like, it crawls out of their hand. I'm like, yeah, that's how I do the trick. If I have a helper or like whatever, like that's a weird way to go about it. And you wouldn't do it at a corporate gig, but you know, there's something just wild. Yeah. You could probably load something into your hand. If you had the deck,

you could probably just do like a tally bottom type setup to dispense into your hand. And true. Yeah. Also like in the, in the description, it says this, you don't have to use it as a visible production. It could be a means to secretly acquire gimmicks. You know, you could have, you know, maybe a nail writer or some other, you know, thing, maybe predictions, extra outs, things like that, that aren't visibly. You know, it doesn't matter. And Tim also had a question.

It does come in red. I think you, I think I gave you the link to the blue one, but we have about 20 of each of these in red and red and blue. They're also on sale. This is normally like a $40 product. This is 20 bucks. So. Wow. What can you get for 20 bucks in magic these days? Not much. Well, this is a spring loaded magnetic production, you know, and I don't think I need to plug it anymore. You know what I'd shove in there? I'd put a vibrator in there,

which sounds kinky, but it's not. Hear me out. So you put it in there and you can then use like a momentary switch vibrator to trigger somebody.

Someone in the audience or do you know what i mean or you stick in you stick in an air tag in there and you have someone put the deck in their pocket and run around the theater and hide it, oh that's a cool kreskin idea yeah like you know how you should do that you used to like go, go ahead and hide my paycheck and if i can't find where you've hidden it in the studio this gig's for free you used to do that right yeah was it kreskin

kreskin i was thinking that it could be used as a penetration effect. So if you had a second object palmed and showed an object here. So as this object goes into the deck, the other one could appear on top of the deck perhaps. Ah, yeah, I'm with you. A vehicle to create that effect as well. Nice. It'd probably be a better tabled effect than me holding it. You know, you put this on the table and then the, or even just the folded card

production. I don't know if that would be a thing or not, but if you wanted to produce a folded card out of nowhere, you know, that's something as well. Yeah, or a note. It could be a billet that has predictions on it. Maybe you're doing shuffleboard and... I really think the best idea is we've had is to produce something that's live, you know. That's going to be the freakiest thing for people, for sure.

Yeah, yeah. Like you do Haunted Deck and then... Like, have you seen on Wizard Wars, they did haunted deck where they they board all these worms around it or something and it was the worms apparently that were moving the deck to find the card what if you just what if you just did haunted deck and like how do you do it like oh worms and like what do you mean oh let me let me show you and then you like pull them all out on their hand oh that's the next morning show gig

that i get like tv show snippet you gotta do something just wild like that because that deck will do it I love it so many ideas yeah Tim's saying tons of ideas well I'm sold a stamp, And you can stamp another card. We need some more info, Nick. All right. I'm taking this home. I'm going to figure out, like, this production is so striking. I really think it would make a good social media moment, too. You know, it's so clean.

The other thing, too, Doug, you know how you're holding it on your hand and going down like this? What if you're actually holding two cards? You're actually holding it so that when you go down and up, you've still got one card left. But now the thing's gone that was on top of what what if you had it so that you have like glass tabletop and a card something underneath and then in the action of like pushing through the deck.

Pulls through oh how about this okay doug oh my god oh my god okay so you've got two so you've got two cards right how about this one sec so you've got two cards but you've got let's say it's a coin for it just for whatever sake yeah the the second card that's being hidden because it's a double on the face of it is the drawing of the coin oh so there's a coin now yeah and so now when the coin vanishes and you lift up the deck now you can see the picture of

the coin it's actually a sweet coin banish or or the coin yeah or it could be written or it could be embedded into the the back of that blue card that's left in your hand maybe that's the right yeah so it's like it's there and then the coin appears and now yeah or or it could be now embedded in the yeah back design maybe there's actually some graphics that have coins printed on them too that you could you know put the work for

something so it'd be like this and then there's the the image of a coin here huh and then it's on there yeah you guys know the stealing routine how you move the pips around. I know a little something about that. Doug Collins, is it called the Pip Trip? Is it Doug Collins' version? What if you were moving all the pips around and then on the final load, you can actually produce the pips and dump them out? Or if it was with Love Hearts, you could produce Love Heart candy or just some

sort of physical entity where they all move. You could have confetti there. This is great. Look, yeah, we've been riffing for a while on this. You know, as I messaged you earlier, I was listening off on a whim and I was like, so enthusiastic about the item. I was like, Josh, put this one in our way today. Yeah. Oh, I'm so glad you're finding these gems because like, how come people don't know about this effect? Like, yeah.

You know, throwing it out there that maybe you find three cool bits that are unsung heroes. And we have an on the air spitball session coming up with this mini idea.

With a gimmick i reckon that would be really fun just creatively it would be so fun for me and i 100 and yet so listeners if you think that would be a cool idea to have an online, sort of create like a warehouse full of wonders ready to be refined yeah and at least that way should you purchase it from trick supply.com that you would actually then have a bunch of original ideas for listening to the podcast so i think that's a great value add yeah that's another good one the rubber band production

move into rubber bands with cards yeah yeah boom. I got a couple to bring home tonight what do i got i got this one which i never heard of but look at this name angelo carbone it's a nine-sided die so it's got elements of the surprising dots and built into a three-dimensional die. Have you guys heard of this thing? No. Nine-sided die. Angelo Carbone, one of our great creators of the modern times, that's an old gem from him. Then I've also taken home...

Where's the boom boomer ropes? I don't know what this is, but it looked interesting to me from Chastain Criswell. I'm assuming it's a form of the boomerang illusion where you apparently stretch the sizes of the ropes using an optical illusion. But I don't know. I'm just guessing. Maybe I'll know next time we talk. This is what I do. You know, they give me inventory to pick for the mail order. And when I'm picking one thing, I'm like, I'll take this home.

I'm really, I'm really stuck on this box now. you could use it as a ring production too like you draw a ring on the back of a card and then you go like that and now it turns into a real ring and you move into your next, stuff or maybe that's how you help someone propose maybe that's the ring production oh bro you could even load stuff into this like you could treat that gimmick as a thing to impossible location so that you could produce it afterwards of just by like just by rubbing the card

and yeah you could probably do it in someone else's hand too so you'd say here hold this deck and then all all you got to do is move forward and lift up and that thing is there yeah and if you do it with a few cards underneath like we're talking about so it's not like they're just holding one you know it's a little more yeah you know it'd be really cool if you if you took the card you split it ever so slightly and put just the thinnest maybe like even just like a circle of of like thread

or some sort of wool and just put a little circle like that and then you seal it up again. Do like a whole ambitious card type thing where maybe you take the card, give it like a strike vanish into the card and show it's gone and then they can put it on their hand and then with the deck reproduce it. We're putting like a double on top. Do you know what I mean? Like there is so much fun to be had with this. So much fun. This is just the beginning. We're done talking about the production box now.

Yeah. So the link to that effect is wherever you're listening to this right now. Just so we're clear. So you can go and buy a bunch of them. That's fine. You can ask me to learn. I'll tell you. Hit me up in the DMs. Yeah, that's right. Look, you get me off the big screen now. I feel like it's too big. Irregular. Well, I look forward to seeing, yeah, more of those gems because they're the things that, you know, we're so focused on the latest thing that just came out. It's legitimate why I'm here.

This is the reason I wanted to work with Trick Supply is to, you know, get in, get into the stuff. I can get all the new tricks anywhere. That's true. And I'm not interested in that. You know, we have them. It's great. We got, you know, we have Tobias's liquid.

I think for I speak for all of us by saying if somebody said would you like to work in our bricks and mortar store I don't think any one of us would be like, you want to come and work 9 to 5 earn a wage and just play with magic all day and sell it have free content at your fingertips are you kidding me?

As they say be careful what you wish for and if you intend to make a living doing this job You probably should bring some skill sets that benefit the owner beyond, you know, just being able to rummage around their magic. Some sales technique will have you go a long way. No, firmly believe that working in a magic shop is one of the most important things a young or novice magician can do.

You learn the ropes, you learn all the props and what's good and bad, and then you learn how to interact with people that come into the store and demonstrate the things.

So yeah you should be lucky enough to get a chance to work in a magic shop you absolutely should, i think that's all we have time for folks stay tuned for uh we have a guest on next week we'll announce him closer to the episode but this is great we look forward to seeing more reviews, and thank you for sharing that beautiful story of uh inside the museum you know only a small percentage of magicians are fortunate enough to have have gone

in there and yeah doug what's the what's the last word of the day, my friend? Yeah, you know, it's for me this. Manifest. Set those goals. See your future. Put yourself in the vision and you'll be surprised at what might happen. Could end up in the desert at midnight with David Copperfield. Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now. But we'll see you again on the next episode of the Magic Guys.