Eric Leclerc & Alex Boyer!! #210

They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys, oh yeah ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 210 of the magic guys to my left we've got big boy nick k guess who's being nominated for fitherm oh yeah and i'm josh norbedo doug con is on the road right now, moving his life to Vegas. He's got some cats in the car.

What's that song? Cats in the cradle in this? I don't know, but you know what I'm saying? And I'm excited to be here. This is the podcast where we talk about our lives as professional magicians, share the shenanigans that go with it, and also have incredible guests as well. Now, Nick just brought up that your boys got nominated. Nick, what's going on here?

Believe it or not, we magic guys have been nominated for an online award for the best podcast we are super excited about this we were told about this a short while ago we weren't allowed to announce it until today's episode so we're super stoked about it and we're honored to be nominated whoever actually did the nomination for us now if you are aware we have links on how to be able to vote for us please do it would be super cool to be able to say that we are

a fism award-winning podcast so we can keep bringing you awesome guests like the one we have on today. I don't want to muff around anymore. I want to jump straight into it because we're not only do we have today's guest, we have a special guest, two superstars. Yeah, we're doing two weeks in one go. Exactly. Now, friends, our guest today is one of my personal favorites and I've never actually met him before. And I had to fanboy all this energy out of me before he came on board.

He has performed across the planet.

He's been a part of the Disney Plus range. start performing tricks he's been on brain games he's done big trick energy to my knowledge he's performed for travis barker and even one of my personal favorite rappers called t-pain, as well as that amazing talent we have another super special guest so please join me in welcoming mr eric leclerc and alex boyner I'll see you next time. Music. Eric, it's not polite to speak with your mouth, little Eric. Oh, sorry, guys. Sorry, are you live?

We're live now. I told you you had five minutes. What is going on here? Skip up. Hey, what's up? That's business. This is a nominated podcast, people. I can see everyone in the chat right now. Just so surprised that Alex is on here as well. And look. Yep. What a pleasure, guys. Firstly, what has brought you two together in the same hotel? What is happening in life right now? Same hotel, one bed. I don't know what to do. Love, love.

We're actually on tour right now. We're touring. We're doing 65 high schools in 60 days.

So exciting. Yeah. We had two shows today. Yeah. Went great. Killed it. Damn. Yeah. You're living the life. We're living the life. Eric is doing four shows this Friday in one day. Yeah. Four tips. Yeah. You're trying to catch up to Copperfield. That's right. Yeah. It's so crazy that he still performs three shows a night, huh? That's right. Yeah. Oh, man. You guys are doing a show together? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We go back and forth.

In French or English? It is in French. It is in French, French Ontario. And yeah, we go back and forth. We have a lot of fun. It's so fun. It's so, it's laid back. Actually, we forgot yesterday. It's the second leg right now of the tour. And we were eating dinner. And we forgot. I realized I forgot one of the cases. My main cases with all the tech gear. All the wires. Everything. The power cords. The patch cords. Everything. And I'm eating. I'm eating. And I'm like, buddy, I think I forgot.

We went in the van. We saw it wasn't there. We're like five hours away from home. So we did the first show this morning. Yeah. Between shows, we went to... I'm so white I look white I'm like White as much bark You're fat Yeah.

Well you know The camera The camera adds 10 pounds Yeah That's right, Yeah so we went We did the first show this morning And we show up And they had their own Like It was a professional high school Like they had a stage All the lights were set up The sound was set up The mics were set up So we're really lucky Yeah We were blessed We were blessed Very nice work Who's Who's the most popular Out of the two of you With the teenagers Yeah, With the teenagers? Like at the high school? Yeah.

Is that a favorite? You're noticing? Maybe, yeah. Different reasons though, you know? Like he did like how many hundreds of shows he did in high school? Right. It's my... Me, it's more about like online magic and stuff, you know? Like collabs I did. So, but it's a good mix. It's a good mix. Yeah, it's a good mix. It's fun. Well, I have a question about that because you guys are both amazing entities.

Singularly, you know? You guys can stand on your own 100% and be absolute superstars, yet you guys are always constantly in this collab between each other with big trick energy and so forth. Do you find that there's strength in numbers or is it hindering at times? What are the benefits versus doing it by yourself and as a group or as a pair? Companionship. On the road for two months is long. Oh, yeah.

I don't know who else I would be able to blow if I was not with Alex. yeah, oh my god that's some facts, there's disadvantages and different you know energy levels and then yeah we create a lot on the road yeah, that's great talk about you know like we both are deeply into magic like that's the only thing we know you know that and party you know.

Well with all the people you've worked with who's the one that you're sort of like we have a term here we call it dunlop so we have one person who's just kind of useless but they're just kind of like a spare tire so we call him dunlop and it's like oh good job dunlop now that everything's done right with us or whatever like out of all the people you work with who would you give the title of dunlop to oh wow that's a tough question yeah weird question basically right what's that,

who do we hate basically right no no we love who we work with but there's always one person that kind of drags their feet like if you were in a band it'd be like the drummer the drummer's always the last one there you think both of us we've been fortunate enough to like work with our friends you know that's that's one of the like probably the coolest part of uh oh i know i know somebody that i know i'm gonna call out my old sound technician nick who's now dead of throat cancer but.

Yes it's true but he'd like to kick his feet a lot and he's not alive to hear me say it so fuck you nick yeah do you know how he died like this no he did he didn't really pass away love you buddy but yeah he was he was always smoked so much cannabis oh yeah man that i've never met anybody hence the throat cancer but i've never met anybody who who smoked as much cannabis as nick but yeah buddy so nice to start the podcast off on a happy note great and now to blackpool so you you were just

over there like what that like so from australia you know we're living vicariously through.

All the instagram stories and the vlogs and whatever and i see your post up there going yo i'm going over there like and and you emceed an event but like what the hell happened like so i can live through you what what the heck happened in blackpool you mean like our experience oh yeah so that's probably a vague question so first of all yeah what was it like going there to because i guess when you're hosting you're also doing bits right you're performing yeah

so it was my third it was your third time yeah it was my third time as well we the first time i lectured and then the second time i just attended with the big chick energy guys and then this time they asked me to host the biggest competition in magic which is called the one which is a 30 000 pound first prize which is whoa a lot of money and and lecture again two lectures and hosting that so i love i'm seeing is like is my thing i love it so much it's one of the best gigs for me is i'm seeing a

little show little walk around magic is like they get everything they get you know all of all of me and it was it didn't go how i thought it would go.

Even though It was my first time Performing in the UK Besides a lecture I, Yeah, I don't think I've been in front of UK audiences. And I knew I knew this thing about British humor, you know, they have there's different the British humor, the dry wit, whatever. And I was like, I didn't think twice. I did not think twice about it. I was just like, I'm just gonna go. I know I'm funny. I'm gonna go up. I do this for a living. You know, I'm a professional MC, man.

And then there's, there's always the thing with magicians, right? When there's magicians, when you're performing for magicians, it's so awkward. where no matter if it's a lecture or a talk or at a magic club or what, it's just so weird. There's such a weird like ego or like, you know, like make us, you know, we know I know this trick or like, just like, we're like, Oh, that's not yours or that's not original or whatever.

And, and the hue and then add that with the British humor didn't go very well. I had, I was hosting the competition where 2,500 magicians twice in the, in the winter gardens. Right. And listen, The people of our age loved it. Yeah. It was funny. I, you know, for me, it was funny. It was different. It was different, but it wasn't different for American audiences. No, American audience, even Australian, like everywhere in the world, people who aren't over 70 years old.

I like that. The old folks were like, what? Oh, yeah. They did not like it. But Blackpool is all, you know, it's like 80% people over like 70, 65, you know, and that. No, you did a great job. We killed it. Yeah, I think I crushed it. We got Daniel here in the chat saying, yeah, he thought you did a great job. Dan Mays, shout out. Really enjoyed your act laughing the whole way through, you know. Thank you. But yeah, it was like I was not getting laughs where I thought I would be.

And I was getting laughs where I didn't. I was just saying things, normal things, like corny things. And they were losing it. And I was like, okay. You know what? One of the things that struck me was like when you did your lecture and you were like showing a trick. After the hosting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After all that, he was like showing a trick. Great trick. Great effect. And all the magicians were like this. And he said, and he like, he basically, you know, told the method right after.

And everyone was like, oh my God. And it was just like, wait, hold on. You're not uploading in the right time here. Like, and they're just like turned on by method. Yeah.

Which is okay yeah which is yeah it's a big it's a big thread in my lecture is that magicians will applaud in the weirdest spots you know sometimes it's so weird it's got to be a risk of doing too many lectures or too many shows for magicians because then you might lose touch of comedy timing like what great point yeah yeah it's and i say i say that at the beginning of my lecture i'm like you guys will applaud at methods that you didn't even like the tricks but now that

you know the method you're like oh that's great that's great just because of the the method behind which is wild but it does have its place in you know there is like there is such a thing as making a living off lecturing for magicians or being really good at like david stone which is constantly just bang bang bang bang with the with the funny magician one-liners where it would never work anywhere else but yeah it was a good experience i i i i really it really irked me because i had

two chances at it, right? I had a show at six and then at eight, so I could adjust. I was happy with it. But you crushed it. I know, but see, for me, crushing it is everybody going nuts, right? Yeah, for sure. You can't say you crushed it if 80% of the audience was not, Yeah, but we're all sleeping or dead. Yeah, but my saying is, yeah, we have to check pulses. Yeah, the thing is like, somebody out there could have rocked that.

That's one thing I've learned is like, you never, never, ever, ever can blame the audience. Because there's a performer out there where it's a comedian, juggler, whatever it is, a basket weaver, whoever it is, could have got the entire audience or, you know, more than 30, 40% on, you know, on their feet or whatever. Yeah. But we were also booked, I think, for like to be the shit disturber of the night too, you know, or the convention. I think they did. They did.

To be fair. Yes. To be fair. The organizers did hire me because of my high energy and because of my, I have a difference as well, you know? Yeah. They're like, you can rock the boat, you know, you can, you can ditch Rick Lax and Justin Flop. I had this one line, like every, every time an act would go, I had the beauty. There was like eight acts performing for 30K. So I got to go open and, you know, open and close between eight acts.

I had an opener and a closing line. That's 16 bits, right? That's a lot. And every time an act would finish, I would go on and be like, wow, that act was crazier than a Justin Miller Facebook message. We're like, wow, that's more mind-blowing than Joshua Jay and Andy Gladwin's platonic relationship. That was more mind-blowing than Harrison Greenbaum being married to a woman. And people are just like, I don't know. Do you think that's hilarious?

Or like, you know, guys, I need you to give me all your energy. Give me as much energy as Justin Flom has put into ruining magic. You know, they're good lines. They're good lines.

But anyways, so it was fun There's maybe some talks Maybe some talks of Maybe returning, maybe I can't say, I can't say I can't say, yeah i'd love to it was and blackpool just in general is just wild like and it was my first time experiencing magic convention sober that's right sober which is wild what was it alex is not sleep for days yeah i slept eight hours and five days let's go oh man it's it's a it's so overwhelming over there because

there's there's so much to see to you like so much like the dealers I think.

In the times we're living in that dealers rooms at conventions, are a huge advantage to go to a convention there's no more physical stores anymore that's right, plus dealer rooms, you go and they bring all their best stuff to you being at MagiFest when there's like 30 dealers or whatever, it's like that has worth it has worth being exposed to all this magic live in front of you especially for beginners you know and have the other magicians there like when i see like a young person

at a convention i'm like hey have you seen like have you seen this goes i judge them based on their skill level i'm like look at this little thing you're gonna love this one right and and at blackpool like i remember our first year, we went around we were with chris ramsey at the height of his popularity so now before he was like, before he did this but but we we couldn't walk the dealer room we couldn't he was pictures like

it took like an hour and a half just to like go from like you know one side to the other without even watching magic so that was heavy but but my point is at the end of the week we're going by the end of the weekend we're going around the dealer room and then i see somebody do a trick i'm like yo where did you get that like oh the other dealer room right there in the and like what it's another, we like we like pass.

So there's like two more an upper level it's just wild it's so fun damn yeah and then like the shows were great we saw amazing shows it was it's the place to be and plus we had we had we had this this year we actually stayed at a decent place oh my god huge game changer the holiday inn with the breakfast the first hotel we stayed like seven years ago I was still in construction yeah it was in construction back then and it's still construction now yeah it's wild so one

thing i do admire as as the guys were saying at the you know at the convention is that like the energy the energy the energy how do you keep it up man like i mean are you are you work do you work out every day you look fantastic both you guys look like you're in great shape like what's the deal are you you eat super healthy are you is there like a detox you guys are doing what's the deal like how do you keep it up is there a level of sobriety that

you have to maintain like what's a lot of cocaine helps it keeps you thin no yeah i've been on a i've been on a healthy cleanse path almost a year man yeah ish yeah yeah yeah i've always kind of worked out my voice i've always had high energy though and it's part of like my personality i think it's not and even with age maybe the part my party my little fuse maybe is kind of like you know but i've always been kind of and i don't drink coffee like this is green tea or whatever but like i've never

had coffee in my life but i don't know i was gonna say what happens when you have caffeine do you just pass out oh baby i get i get in trouble. No, but on tour, actually, we had a little bet going. You want to tell them the... Which one, the bread thing? Yeah. Yeah, so I saw him, like, remove his shirt for a video he did for Blackpool, actually. And I saw my brother for the first time with a six-pack, and I was so fucking jealous, guys.

I was like, I have to be in shape now. Like, it makes no sense. I'm 31. You know, like, I have to be in shape. Like, oh, yeah. I'm here right now. You know, twins. And so I'm like, you know what? This store, no drinks.

Sober, healthy food, everything So every time I'm going to eat a piece of bread Or something like that, I am like 10 bucks Yeah, 10 bucks for any carbs Or bread that goes into his mouth Today's day one So far so good boys Oh, today's one. Rule of thumb By the way, we're not supposed to say rule of thumb anymore in society Do you guys know that?

No Rule of thumb was used back in the day It meant Rule of thumb meant you couldn't This is true, I promise this is true you couldn't beat you couldn't hit your wife with a stick larger than your thumb and that was i said i swear to you i swear to thickness yeah so now it's what is it now rule of yeah yeah as a rule of trump yeah and i just drink a lot of water i you know what's really helped me i'm gonna share something that really helped me and people make fun of me

for this because it's a huge bottle but like i'm very like metric driven and this bottle on it has like the times nice so you're supposed to you know i'm way behind now i'm way behind now yeah oh you're zooming in on that yeah so i walk around with this huge bottle i like to be i like to be visually, you know what i love eric is you got to bring out your own version of that with your own notes like at each hour. Well, keep drinking a little.

How do you road trip? You guys are doing 60 plus shows over 60 days. You must be pulling over every 40 minutes and take a piss. We're pretty good, actually. Yeah. We're pretty good. Well, I mean, what did you want to say? I'm getting older, and one of the first things, one of the first signs is what? Want you older? You're kidding me. No, I'm not going to say that. Are you kidding me? I'm going to tell Jazzy, though.

Yeah. I just wrote her. I got to tell you Alex's story about his bladder. He told me.

Anyways, but as you get older, your bladder, I don't know. How old are you guys? Well, I'm 40. I'm 35. Okay. So, any bladder problems yet?

Yeah. yeah yeah absolutely i find that like you pee and you gotta wait a moment or kind of like ring it out right i mean you gotta like ring it out right just yeah ever since 10 40 it's been a thing for double lifts right now they're yeah yeah what the hell um yeah so i a few years ago i started just having to you know urinate more often and i thought to myself i'm like this is the only problem in your life where currently yes but the only problems that the the cause of not the cause but

like when you have to pee it feels so good but it's the only problem that like you get a you get a reward so yes we we're right now we're on the pee tour so we pull over a little over a lot but it's a small price you know how is the propriety when you're touring with one of your best buds and you have the ability to go into bars be the coolest guys in there and press girls and do magic and like you know and not just get wild and

sick a couple of like doers and soda like you guys like the sobriety level is rolling truly we had a question too from out from our good friend here in australia chris he uh because he's also on the sober train right now 225 days in. What yeah what advantages are you noticing because you said you went six months sober last year as a challenge and i'm guessing you enjoyed the benefits of that and so you were just telling me affair you've, promise to go all 2025. Yeah.

2025, dedicating it to the career. Girlfriend and I just broke up. So like I'm having a summer of Eric, eat, pray, love. I'm like meditating and reading and, you know, working out, drinking a lot of water, not, not partying.

You know, my career and I've never done it. I've never actually, I've always used substances since I was 17, you know, smoke, I love cannabis and but it's nice and so the advantage is i mean i'm clear-headed you're you know in the morning you got a pep in your step and you're even just reading like i've never been like a reader my my ex ex-girlfriend always said don't say that it makes you sound stupid i'm not a big reader like don't ever say that but i discovered that

i'm add i'm all over the place i don't know if you can tell but no i can't what look at this girl what and so nothing could stick i would read pages and i was like over and over and over besides magic books by the way magic books stuck because i'm passionate about it but i discovered that autobiographies stick for some reason because you can hear you can hear the celebrity you know it's real and you can hear their voice Matthew Perry you know Schwarzenegger and

John Stamos and Cher the Cher biography it's like a four or five hundred page book and i crushed it in like a week so i'm reading more feels good clear-headed and we're talking a little bit about before that we started rolling about. Being creative with cannabis, it helps. It's been known to help a little sativa. A lot of the stuff I've come up with in the past was... Yeah, psychedelics really helped sometimes.

You guys should try it. Yeah, let's go! Good things. The only thing is like, it's a little boring sometimes. It's a little boring. That's why we have one bed for this. There's literally two beds right behind us. Fuck they could see it yeah it really inspired me to to try and get sober as well i did three months. And I had to create like a show in two months. That's right. You created your whole show. Yeah. And best thing that ever happened to me. I was like, like I said,

like being clear, man, just, and you see the other people too, you know? Yeah. That's a big part. That's a big one, Like seeing other people drinking. Oh my God. Just to see how they act. And they're on the influence. It's like, Oh yeah. Am I like that as well? Yes. Yes, you are. Start yourself questions now, you know? And you're like, wow, I'm going to go to bed.

I want to be like these people and stuff, you know? so oh yeah i went out for say patty's day the other night like my friend was playing in a band and i was sober obviously and this is like i'll show you guys this is happening right in front of me hold on oh yeah i saw this in your story and the story the story before it was her completely sober right like just standing there like that's the whole video like 30 seconds of this and she's still there she's still there right now

like she's still headlong in at the old doubler in ottawa that's a big part like there's a little bit of like not a superiority a superiority complex but like when you like see people really drunk you feel proud yes you feel proud and you feel the thing is like you want to have one or two or three but when it gets to seven or eight you're like uh yeah or the whole bottle yeah he's really bad well apart from the best what about wes i feel like he you know that's his whole brand it's

like having a beer on stage performing i soon Wes is going to die soon. And help his wife is going to be a widow, he's going to die from alcohol poisoning seriously he will though he loves it, he can go he can seriously go one thing I've learned here's a good thing. My whole life I didn't do this every time but if your show is at a bar or at a wedding or whatever and there's a bar, like, I'm going to have a beer or two before going on stage. Of course, it relaxes you, right?

After spending three, six months sober, it has absolutely zero, zero benefits. You're not better. You're worse. Even after a drink, even after that little, even the little spark you think you have, the little, little pep. It's being clear headed is an illusion. So much better on stage too. And I've started learning scripts, which is something I've never done.

A shame. Like I'm ashamed to like say it. Like as some magicians are all about scripts and they lack performance a little bit and they can't derive from it. Some magicians are all not no scripts and kind of like, oh, I'm just going to going to wing it. You know, some magicians do both. They have a script and they kind of when it's when it's time to kind of veer towards it and ad lib a little bit, they go.

But for the first time in my life, I like sat there and wrote some stuff and I'm trying it out this week. And it's it's so nice. It's so nice to be exactly know what you're going to say when you say it.

Anyways, big fan. Don't know if I'm going to do it forever. definitely this year but i don't think my my partying days are done but it's a challenge and i love challenges so yeah yeah this is eric yeah yeah this is definitely the year of yarrick and it's like it just seems like you've identified a lot of benefits for and against like and it's nice to have that variance you know what i mean so since 17 that's that's pretty epic man like

you know to be the party animal and and let it go because i was i was the opposite i was the most sober kid all through everything i didn't start partying until my late 30s and i just couldn't afford. Yeah. I just couldn't afford to. I bought a house when I was 23. And so it's very hard to pay off a mortgage in our country. Like no one's entirely abundant wherever else. So I had to really sacrifice and I couldn't afford the downtime.

Now as my career has been awesome and so forth, like I'm kind of abundant now and I can afford to go to Canada for a month and enjoy the lifestyle, go to Japan after that and drink at every izakaya on the trip, you know, and that's really fun you know i don't live for it kind of mental blow like tyler rourke is going up in this chat jen simon what's up girl jen simon actually read i went into my house today and she redecorated my entire bathroom i had nothing on the

walls and she went in there and she did everything so thanks jen if you're still there love you oh yeah so another mental jog thing about partying is like is like at my age i'm like i went hard from like 17 to like you know 38 years old i went hard i lived a good party life everywhere around the world so like you gotta try you gotta try not to for at least a year whatever you know so like unlike you nick that you're like yeah i haven't partied since

i started when i was like 30 something they're like you have catching up to do and you have you're gonna put some work in well the benefits of it was you know going through my 20s in my prime years everyone was tanked and i was sober and straight and sharp and so.

When there was a girl at the party that everyone was frothing for everyone was too like had to drink to get the courage to say what's up and i was just like i'm in an environment where everyone thinks for a tank i'm just gonna go say what's up i'm gonna take her home and that was that was the mythology and nick like it was not to be gloaty but you know it was just an interesting place to be where everyone is drunk you don't really need to drink to get to their level you're like a lot

of times i think that people like us who perform for a living operate at a kind of higher frequency we're already there by nature and they've got to sort of lift themselves up and that's kind of sad for them we have a we have a good question here it's random but alex you want to he says what are some good songs to walk on stage to random but you explain about the process a little bit like how would you find it like besides what

you love you know has to be is it Is it the high energy? Is it the beat per minute? Depending on your persona, I think. You have to try a lot. Anything in magic or art related, you have to try stuff. Depending on your persona as well. It could also be a good thing to maybe be totally different than your persona. Let's say a guy like Dan Sperry, dressed in black, makeup, and he just comes on stage with a beautiful song of, I don't know, Let It Go or a cartoon song or something like that.

People would be like, what the hell something with the banjo yeah yeah something like that like trying you know like the more you do shows the more you perform you're gonna you're gonna know i i think you know i feel like yours is a rock song or something so songs that people know as well you know this is always a. You know a good thing to do like it always you know what something that i think that helped is like epidemic sound epidemic sound is very i know just said but

i remember when we wrote smocus pocus yeah we were just there and just clicking clicking clicking and the sign you alex's that's an ear for music obviously and we were just clicking and i was like i'm i suck at this i i love music i know a lot of lyrics i know a lot of bands but like to be like oh i want this and this, like, I'm just so bad at it. What's cool with Epidemic Sound is that you can actually search for mood, for genre, for anything.

Even an instrument, you like something, you search for it, and you're gathering thousands of different, like, you know, songs. If you want to sign up for Epidemic Sound, use code MAGICGUYS10 for 10% off. No, you guys are welcome. But yeah, it's a very good question, because you know, Wes, a lot of people, like, Wes doesn't, dude, Wes doesn't use any song. Refuses.

Dude any music and you know and it's it's crazy but especially so well you know it's like and he's also he's on the school of like stand-up comedy right and they don't use anything but like i mean even just a walk on does a we i did a tour with him for for colleges and his last trick is him what is it is he putting himself in a straight jacket or anyways he's getting in he's getting in but at the end he escapes from it as well right

so at the end he takes the straight jacket and slam it on the floor, no music, nothing. And people are like, oh, nice. But they don't know it's done, you know? Because you need somebody. I'm like, Wes, listen to me, bro. Okay? You need at least one song. And now he has a song at the end. And bro, the roof fucking explodes, man. And a lot of people are like. Oh, I don't want to run like Q Labs or Audio Wave or whatever. But like having a cue, like slamming your jacket on the ground is so clear.

You tell the sound guy like, hey, at the end, when my jacket's slammed, you press this button.

It's the easiest. and from what i i was on that train of thought too before like when i'll go do like a corporate and i don't have a sound person with me like that i know right now i like i tell i give him three or four because there's somebody there if you're not giving them anything to do like when i go to chicago magic lounge or like house of cards in nashville like there's a sound person there for you why not put a couple of you know zingers or sfx

use them use them yeah it's also do a run through oh yeah right that right i mean it's your job it's the least you could do you know so west get on it okay yeah man can i can i share a little pro tip that helps me a whole bunch for the guys out there who don't want to spend the money i used to use q labs and so forth when i'm doing my theater shows and stuff like at a festival i'll use q labs but for my corporates i just use a keynote and the reason i do is because you can just have it

so that when they click left or right right more importantly that it does your cues for you it'll either play your videos or it'll play your audio and the cool thing about that is that you have presenter notes and the presenter notes are typically when you're doing a powerpoint presentation you actually read what you need to say in your script rather than putting that in there what you do is you put the cues for your audio guy and

your video guy so that means i can just so and basically you can give them a laptop they can plug in their hdmi which goes to the screens and whatever they need to do which has your name your big nick k professional mind bro logo whatever else that's a really inexpensive way you guys can add some production value to your shows.

That's a great tip. I just did a. Like a trade show ish what's it in english like showcase showcase and here's another project for you guys always work at gay bars around them yeah yeah but like always talk to the tech right before and like maybe even a couple of days before the gig too you know because they they sold me on that guy like he was one of the top in quebec it was like working with all the comedians there but as Magician, I'm like, yeah, but comedians don't have any cues.

Like, what are you selling here, you know? But by talking to him to make sure he was understanding everything I was saying in French, not English, as you can tell, it went great. You know, so just talk to the people, make sure they understand exactly what you want. Yeah, that's another good tip is like, let people do what they do best, you know? It drives me crazy. it blows my mind when I see in magic forums, a magician be like, you know, who designs logos in a magic group?

I mean, if you guys design logos or like who, who's good at making, who can make me a cake for like, what are you doing? Like let people who do what they do best and you utilize them. It drives me crazy that people think the magic world is like, like who would want a magician to like make you a magic jacket or something like.

You know, make, sense to me yeah can i share a funny one can i share a funny one i actually got an inquiry going oh we have a birthday girl and she wants a quick change here's a video of what she wants and it's like an impossible idea and i just went like okay here's my time to perform and then this is what it's going to cost for me to measure her up get my tailor involved and have this thing made within two weeks and i were just like we're just gonna have you

perform i'm like right right they're so unaware oh look i bought my son a car for his 18th birthday i'd like for him to appear in the lounge room i'm like are you out of your mind yeah yeah yeah it's wild and sometimes just let the people who are best at what they do like like alice when they're with the sound guy you're like well i don't need any how can or leave it with lights like when we're in vancouver for smokest focus yeah there's

a lighting guy there it's like oh you want me to put and usually i'm like i just don't want to put any like stress or work that's not you that you're not warrant i don't need you No useless work to anybody. But he's like, no, I can make it look like... I'll make it look like... He's like, just let me. I'm like, okay. Do the thing, you know? And he made the stage look like amazing with lights and smoke.

And if you tell me, oh, we're going to make it... We have a guy who's going to use lights and smoke to make the show. Right away, I'm like, no, no, no, no. General wash only and just like a spotlight. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Because I don't want...

To kind of deviate from what i'm used to but when you let people do what they do best like yeah yeah it's a game changer absolute game changer when you work with pros like that what's the word in english when you delegate delegate yeah all the same.

Same when you write it yeah and same with uh video operators too like it's what you got to make sure they know where to zoom in for which part of your set and because sometimes you might do a bottle production but they're super tight on you and it looks to the audience like you just picked it up yeah especially that's a great that's a great tip and i'm sure it's been said before but like it's 20 really great probably the most popular the most

popular television appearance for magicians is like i guess breakfast television you know when you like local or whatever that's kind.

Of easier the easiest one to get is i've always been a believer like tell the producer tell the camera guys exactly how the trick works it doesn't matter no magic's not real if you doing it for 10 people in the studio it's fine of the thousands that are watching at home it doesn't matter right and you go through the rehearsal usually you'd be 10 oh no just keep it a shot from here and i'll do this that use them to your advantage they're they're have that job out of

hundreds of camera guys for a reason they're good at doing what they do like trust you know it's like a game yeah here's another little pro tip sometimes you don't have the opportunity to do a you know a run through or whatever else so what i like to do is when i start my show i'll introduce myself and say hello and take a quick moment to acknowledge the people making this happen please give it up for my sound guy barry in the back everyone say hi barry and my blog

guy and i go like we had a little run-through area they're super nervous the show is going to go wrong but they are professionals it's going to be just fine and just by doing that you can do stuff where and one of the things i do is i go barry so here's what's up when we do a music cue if i point my finger up volume up a little bit if i point my finger down just bring it down to a level that I can talk over. Okay. And when I do this, if I run my hand across my neck, it means kill the sound.

Okay and just having that little thing as you walk through the audience you go please uh welcome blah blah on stage you can go down sit the person down then just walk over and do this and the musical stuff there's little things like that that you can do and same thing with our camera person you can have them go there and go like and go okay we just throw the camera there barry thank you very much i just want you to focus in right here if you

can that's great yeah yeah if you're in the show you mean yeah yes of course it's swift yeah it's okay it's okay to give direction on the stage to ensure that the people receiving your magic and receiving it through the monitors and the sound and everything experience it in the best way. Conduct the show. Now, sometimes things don't go the way we want.

And we have a segment particularly for that, which we call Gig Stories. And I think it's time we run that segment.

So Gig Stories is a section of the show. We talk about magic moments, either while performing or our day-to-day life, starting this week with some wonderful stories from our guests, Alex Boyer and the reverent reverent reverent oh just call him handsome whatever eric leclerc thank you you're very good looking you don't have to lie man don't have to lie dude it's a podcast i can't see you it's fine how did last time and just to foreshadow when eric was on here last time and should

go watch episode 74 he had this crazy story of blasting a confetti cannon on a small child so much so that it stunned him and vanished his glasses on stage this is it was the best story ever and i wondered if you had any story since then and you said you might have something to strap so where's my where's my cue so strapping ladies and gentlemen yeah i got i got a couple that happened i got one that when that that happened that i decided to do and last year i wanted to do,

I attended the PCAM convention in Canada, Pacific Coast Association of Magicians in Vancouver, a few years ago. And I love conventions. I attend them all the time. And.

Christopher t or christopher hart or what i don't remember but a kids performer was amazing and it opened my eyes i'm like oh man like i love kids magic i perform kids magic i was hanging on his every word and i'm like i want to go to all the kids magic conventions i want to lecture there i felt like i was home so i decided to reach out and get myself booked at these conventions so this one was it was kidcadabra i was kiddabra or kid convention it was convention i think in Washington,

run by Lewis Meyer. And so it was a children's entertainer convention. It wasn't a magic convention. And it was basically kids entertainers is what? Magicians, clowns, face painters, right? Maybe some jugglers, maybe. But like really it's face painters, which is a big clowns magician, right? So he hired me to do a lecture and to do an adult show at night. And I'm like, I read it. I'm like, an adult show. He's like, yeah, yeah. Like forget you're here for kids. It's all adults.

Late night 11 p.m adult show and i'm like great i love it so during the convention face painters were there was all women it's all women there and they were doing the face paint whatever and then like they started doing body painting right so they got that guys there body painting the women everybody's just body painting it's like 10 at night go sit up for my show i don't think twice about it and then i'm on stage uh doing my full adult show and there's a line i say in my show i I say, okay.

If this prediction is correct, I'm going to take it out of the envelope. If it's correct, I want you guys to go crazy, throw money, bras, whatever. That's the line I say. And then I turn around, I do myself, and then I hear people laugh and start cheering. And I turn around and these three women have their bras in the hands like this, bare-fucked-ed, they're all painted up. They're all painted up. My body painting is, you know, it's a thing.

So they're just there topless, swimming their bras and i was like i was like this is this is my dream anyways we all had a crazy orgy on page to end the show great but it was the first time that actually i i didn't i didn't realize because the body painting was so good that it looked like clothes i didn't realize that there'd be topless you know people there so i turn around and all i'm seeing is women wave their bras and i'm like how in my head i'm like

how do they get those bras out so you know goodbye uh but that was definitely a magic convention highlight that i'll never forget first of all women at magic conventions and then topless and then this bras and on point it was great i always remember it for the action you got to go to kids conventions who knew i and you know what i i went to that other one tricks in this tricks in the sticks and that one that one was a wild one that was do you want to tell one because i got another

great one after Like a horrible story? Well, a gig story? Gig story, I guess? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sorry for that, guys. Hold on. Yeah, so I was performing. I don't know what gig was it, but I was doing something with a thumb dip.

I think it was like a new version of mine, like to do a Bill and Lemon. I don't remember the actual effect, but I used a thumb tip to do something and to make something disappear on stage. And it was so clean, right? And at a moment, my thumb just fucking dropped on the floor. And I was like, oh my God. So I went to go and pick it up, but I kick it in the audience. And the woman right in front of the audience was just like, what the fuck is

it? Like, I had to make fun of this. I was just like this.

Kicking a thumb tip in the audience Pretty wild I got one to end this little chain here This one did not happen during one of my gigs It happened during one of Wes Barker's gigs It was doing Fool Us This is like a life story This is true, 100% true He was doing Fool Us, at the rio right that's where they film fool us and we stay there for like three or four days at night it's funny guys for sure for sure we fight we so we we're we're you know we're doing the we're

doing the thing we're partying i think it was like it was after we filmed it was definitely after we filmed so we're partying the whole week and then and then so we're staying at the rio where the where the show is filled so one day we come back from a pool party it's like 4 p.m we're obliterated, we're done. And we walk back to her room and right before there's like a restaurant in the lobby and I see like a cardboard cutout of it.

Like it was an Asian restaurant. I see this Asian lady with like a, like a, like a dish and like with a beer and she's like advertising the restaurant. It's a cardboard cutout. So like in my drunkenness, I just grabbed the cutout under my arm and like, we bring her up to the room to like take selfies or whatever. Right. So I'm dressed in a party suit, like a pink, a pink bathing suit, pink shirt, pink matching hat, Everything's matching.

And I grab this thing. We go in the room, pass out, forget about it. A couple days later, we keep partying, pool parties everywhere. Two days later, I'm wearing the same suit. We go to a pool party. I'm walking in the hotel. Walk. We go up to the elevators. And then we're sitting. We forgot our key. So one of our members goes to one of our friends, goes down, gets the key. Then security comes in the hallway.

And, like, we didn't do anything wrong. It's just security. While we're in Vegas, it's, like, the place where you can do anything.

Right so we're just laying in the hallway you know whatever and the security's like sir stand up and i'm like what it's like stand up put your hands behind your back i'm like what are you talking about bro you know and with i have like a problem with authority too like when they somebody's like enforcing authority on me i'm just like i push back you know i'm like what are you talking about bro he's like stand up put your hands behind your back i won't say it

again i'm like okay i go my my friend jill and wes are like like they're like i don't know they're like you stole you stole i'm I'm like, stole? What do you mean stole? I didn't steal anything. And he's like, you stole from the restaurant? And I'm like, The cardboard sign? Like, I realized what I did now.

Dumb it down, you know? It's like, yeah, the cardboard sign. The owner wants to press charges. Stand up, put your hands behind your back. So they cuff me in my bright pink suit. They bring me down, drag me all the way across in the casino, bring me in the basement. And these guys are like, when you have you with cuffs, they're like holding you like this. So their faces are pretty close to yours when they're holding you,

you know, like this. and the guy's twisting my cuffs, hoping I'm going to do something, hoping I'm going to give him a lip or attitude. And it is in my nature to like, you know, Stacey's right here. I should have been like, bro, like ease up on the cuffs, you know? But I didn't. I just played, I knew I fucked up. I played the nice Canadian boy card. I let him twist the cuffs. I didn't, brought me in the basement, put me a little holding cell.

And he's like, the man wants to, you know, press charges. No, no, no. I'm like, sir, we're just messing around. He's like, he's trying to, in my face, like an interrogation. Like we're on, you know, SVU or whatever. So then he's like, what are you doing here? And then they find out, what room are you in? And then I hear them in another room. They're saying, oh, it's a Fool Us room. So now they see, because the Rio, it's been going on for 13 years.

The Rio gets rooms for Fool Us. There's magicians in the hotel all the time. So now they hear that it's a Fool Us room. So I'm like, in my head, man, like Wes was just on Fool Us, you know? So he's like, and I'm like, yeah, yeah. He's like, what are you doing?

Though you are you're on the show and i and i see my opportunity i'm like no i was on the show two years ago and i fooled them and he's and i see the demeanor change like he's like oh shit you fool you know you're a magician i'm like yeah yeah he's like you're a good magician you fooled him i'm like yeah and then he goes he goes uh so you can get out of those cuffs right now and i'm like buddy in like 10 seconds i just take my

opportunity and say in about 10 seconds he's like don't do it i'm Like, I won't. So it pretty much ends there. They let me out of the cup. The guy, the guy, I hear the guys in the other room. The owner comes down. He's like, I just wanted to learn him a lesson, teach him a lesson. The guys, he said, nice Canadian boy. I hear him say that. He's a nice Canadian guy. And like, I was drunk and like done. I was on, I was on a lot of stuff. And I just, like, just being so nice to them. They let me go.

I have the security footage. I have. So, and then, and then, and then it gets back to the Fool's producer. So months later, Wes is asking, when am I going to be on Fool Us, you know? Oh, by the way, and they escorted me out of the hotel. I was banned from all Caesars properties. Tell them where the cardboard cutout was in the room. It was in the shower. It was in the shower. What did you do with the cardboard cutout? I'm like, nothing. It's just like we just and I'm like trying to dumb it down.

Like, oh, we used to take selfies. Like I'm showing him the selfies, like, you know, my phone. I'm like, innocent, you know? So we were like, he's like where is it i'm like it's in the shower and thank god we didn't beat this thing up the owner takes it it's perfect condition so months later wes is trying to get on fool us and then the producers are like we don't know if your clip is going to air yet and wes is like oh why and they send him a picture of the cardboard cutout now now we're

back in canada and i'm like i'm like wes i'm I'm so sorry, Gil. I was an idiot. And anyways, this clip aired. Everything is good. But keep your eyes out because I'm not done with the story. And you guys might see me back, might see me back on a certain show with that certain cutout. Yes. So you can use the security footage as your pre-show. Yeah. That's a story that happened at my buddy's gig. Sorry, buddy. and everything is good now, but it was a stupid decision. And again, alcohol.

I never would have done that sober, you know? Hey! Dude, that is insane. Holy crap. That's awesome. Will you, just side note, Magic Live, is that on your radar this year? Not this year. Maybe. Was it August? Yeah, early August. Maybe. I mean, the thing is like, so I'm a Vegas guy. I love Vegas. And if I'm going to be there, I'm going to have like a trip in Vegas as well.

So and if I try and combine both, I'm just not either not attending the convention, or not having or I'm gonna have to attend a convention either before my Vegas. Or after my Vegas bender, which both are just stupid for whatever one comes after. Yeah. And you also mentioned this is, you know, the year to focus on work and to be sober. And so yeah, maybe it's not the most productive place for you then.

Is that something you can touch on for the audience too? You had mentioned off air, like you have a plan right now and it's kind of something we talked about on the last time you were here, which was the sort of gaps in the market of yeah magic yeah yeah there's a there's a few there's a few spots for stardom in magic that haven't been capitalized on i think you know first is like like women in magic like a woman superstar we

have a lot of great magicians but if you ask somebody on the street no you know they won't even they can't even name one even an old one from the past like you know another one is a children's superstar magician and that's where i think i'm gonna that's where i think i'm gonna be pivoting i i've devised a very special character and i've been i've put i've decided to go fully we're all there's always there's this weird stigma with children's performers

and it comes back to that weird magician ego magic convention or stupid that like oh it's just children's magic it is a coloring book and a change bag and blah blah blah right and it's because there's hasn't been somebody like we have mario the maker who's doing waves and creating an amazing show and he's the best number one he's got a crazy quote from david blaine he's you know amazing i love that guy so much his energy is unmatched you know i watch him on your podcast It's

just so amazing. One of the best podcasts. But besides, there's a spot that's available for kids performer worldwide to really make it through. And I think I'm going to go and grab it. I love children so much. And as I'm getting older, I was thinking to myself, what are we doing? We're all good-looking white guys, funny, trying to be funny, in good suits, funny suits, trying to make it in, you know, trying to be what?

I try to be the next Justin Willman or David Blaine or like, or try to do the $10,000 corporates, you know, like the takeaway here is to be unique or different, you know, not try to be the best, but just try to be like the best you like, you know, like, bet on what you're good at. Yeah. Literally, you know? Yeah. It's the best way to do it. It's the best way to be successful, I think. Yeah. And he's the best kids performer.

I think I love it. And I love it. And when we were jamming on it, I don't want to cut you off, but we were jamming on it the other day and we're like, he's not going to be a magician for a kid. He's going to be like a superhero and his superpower and or his stool is magic. Right. My stool. His stool. My stool. Tool. Tools. You know what stool is?

Like a bat. No, but do you know? Stool? What do you mean?

That said it's kaka it's kaka really it's the doctor it's called kaka really stool stool yeah it's like cutting the cheese but it's like it's like farting like kind of kind of the same thing or sure i'm learning things every day yeah yeah yeah on the magic guys yeah let's go baby learning yeah i think there's that but it's a it's a it's an interesting way to kind of see it's the first time really like i've been planning this like hardcore i got big plans for it and it's the first time that I

really see a path to something that's available and something that so I'm gonna focus on it plus like kids are no you didn't miss all the good stuff don't worry we're just getting started I think I don't know but it's the first time I see a path where hasn't been done and it's crazy because here's here's here's a crazy thought when I started listening to podcasts you know in my sober journey I was like I've never been a podcast person I was always like even the ones

Even like Bottom of the Barrel with Chris and Wes, I was like, you're just talking. I want to hang out with you live. It felt like work. I didn't see the value of it. I started listening to Magic Podcast, you guys and Discourse and all the other ones. By the way, congrats on getting nominated. This is a baby. No. Thank you. That's better. And I really started live.

I have no clue where's I going with that I don't even know what you're talking about that um the being a household name I don't know you were talking about podcasts listening to them but but more importantly you have this trajectory now so you you're actually on this crazy tour right now because you're planning to now take a mass amount of time off work right so you can just plan your next chapter essentially yeah the thing with with uh with YouTube still revelation

is amazing the thing with youtube and kids is is there's no money the money's tricky on on youtube you know because you can't have ads like normal ones and you can't have autoplay and there's a whole bunch of loopholes so i'm gonna be you know i haven't done youtube in a long time and for this project i'm gonna be coming back soon and just putting as much content out as my new character I don't want to reveal too much just yet, but yeah, it's going to be like a labor,

just like a labor, labor of love. It's one of the best. Oh my God, I knew what I was going to say. I know what I was going to say. And then when I've been listening to the podcast, we all, they all start with like, how did you start? You know, how did you start in magic? And like, tell us, tell us about it. And most people is like, when I was a kid, I saw a magician or I got a magic kit or I got classes or it all starts when you were a kid and yeah.

A kid needs to see a magician perform for kids. And if they're not good or if they're not, we're missing, we're missing so many opportunities to hook the next generation of really good magic. You know, when we see a good kids performer, they're like, well, so in my head, I'm like, I've done, I've done, I've accomplished a lot. I've had a lot of checklists and magic. And if I, right now, I think, you know, that's inspiring.

And it sounds so corny when I say this, but i really mean it but it's doing new generation to become magicians is like you know when we're performing here in in schools our names are not anywhere they see a magician but i don't put my i've never done it actually i was thinking about today which is probably a mistake but like my name has never been on stage never printed anywhere never banner stands it's never there i don't know why but i always have like a pseudonym is that how you say pseudonym

like an alter ego as children because I'm kind of edgy for adults. And I've always like, my French name for kids is Mysteric, Mysteric or Mr. E. And I've always kind of like tried to like, you know, keep both me apart, but I've never had my name, you know, plaster. Okay, Nick, we'll see you later, huh, buddy? I've been with you. Nice talking to you. He's like, well, you know, it's in his rider that once it hits an hour, he's out. So I don't like him.

Yeah, that was 365 days. Yeah, boys, yeah. Boys and girls coming back. This is nice. I like the chat. Tyler Rourke's been listening for an hour from Ottawa. Shout out Canada. I love it. And do you still have time to fulfill your, in the last podcast, I quickly heard you mention you're working on your FISM Act, which I assume is for this year. Is that happening or was that something you started on changed?

You know, what's interesting is what it changed into the character I developed for FISM changed into what I'm about to launch for kids. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alex is going to Are we going to say it? I don't know Well, I mean, you just said it But now Translate it to English, I'm competing for the online thing, Yeah Let's go I saw that online I was just like There's no reason for me not to compete Literally.

So I'll try it I'm just going to have fun with it And one of the big things that I want to do Well, to not do Is basically just do like one quick routine or like one trick or anything that we've seen before. I just don't want to do that. You know, it's a new competition, you know, new ways to see magic. So it should be new. It should be original, like all original. So I'm competing. I'm going to release the video maybe in two weeks and I'm stressed as fuck boys.

Yeah, let's go. You know, it's such an interesting, I think it would be really interesting to see the submissions or, you know, if they continue it, what happens in the next three years or four years when the next one yeah yeah to see how it evolves yeah because it's standard now. That's right. And to see what people can, on a competitive level, put out in video that can't be done in real life. And that's why you watch it in video is going to be insane.

Yeah. Well, my first thought was to do something insane on video, but like at the end of the clip to be like, hey, I see you in three years and I'm going to do this exact routine live in front of you, you know, just to call it up. But we have so many great ideas. Now I just have to film it, basically. That's the only thing I'm missing. Yeah, build stuff. Yeah, I built stuff, a couple of stuff. But yeah, it's going to be good, man. It's pretty crazy that they opened it. It is. It is pretty crazy.

Like, good call on Chris for doing this, you know? Like, podcasts, magazines, online magicians, you know, like, there's a place for it. Yeah, Fism was dying. Fism was dying as well, you know? This is the next generation. So it's good, man. And you know what? Maybe to kind of come back to the thing is, like, I worked for two years on that act.

Two years 60 months three months and like sitting on my table on Friday nights working creating and had such imposter syndrome because I've seen all the FISM, winners since I was a kid and it's been on my goals list and I'm like this isn't good enough this isn't good enough it's not good enough and in two years I couldn't, I couldn't like I'm like all I did was in the notebook phase my good friend like Chris Pillsworth the magician from Ottawa he's like he came to jam with

me one day and he's like hey dude like how has it been two years and you're still in the notebook idea phase like you didn't build a single thing i'm like yeah this here and there just like imposter syndrome and then i was like gotta let this stop letting this stress me out and then one of my friends was like hey this is not an idea for fizz and this is an idea for like children worldwide he kind of like rocked my world a little bit so

now now i'm back sparking me i'm gonna build a new studio in my house i'm gonna build my office to like a brainstorming. All my eggs are going to be in this. I can't wait to share with everybody. It's going to be so good. Yeah, I mean, it's not a bad idea to change the goalposts from performing for a couple of magicians to get a trophy to now switching you up to make a million, multi-million dollar empire for generations.

Yeah, exactly. Although, you know, being a FISM champion is, you know, it's been on my bucket list forever. And the only way I can cross that out is doing the things here or submitting a video, you know, online. It's crazy that you can do that now. It's wild. And I wonder, like, do you get a trophy? I have no idea what the price is. Yeah, I just want to do something original and unique. Like, that's the only reason why I'm doing that. Yeah.

Literally, you know, like, we all know, we all see the same magic. We all see the same trick. We all see online, it's always the same, or it's always a version of something. And it's just the same. It's always the same. And or a little bit bad, you know. I just want to do something unique. Transform the way you see magic on the screen. Literally. You know. You're going to have to, I bet if you made a video where you have to wear.

The Google headgear or whatever it is so you're like immersed in it that would be that would be the next generation I reckon what I really find cool is that when we heard that FISM was like opening this category all this like oh Mortimer's gonna win or Patrick Kuhn or Jackie Yu they're all judges right they were smart and they grabbed the vest of the best saying you guys can't compete you guys can't you know it's crazy if I was Jackie Yu who's so ambitious and who loves magic so much It's so

original I don't know how I would feel about that Like if you're like okay yeah I guess I'll be a judge Like I can't compete I guess I'll be a judge Like the judges are like top game Yeah they got the best People I saw putting comments In like the magic magicians only and stuff They're like why isn't such You know yeah Xavier competing or whatever And then it wasn't until people put in the comments Ah it's because they're

judges Yeah we got a Marco Tempest Yeah Marco Tempest 2.0 You guys remember those Marco Tentas videos? Or like even one of my favorite was Danny Cole. Remember the like four or five videos Danny Cole put out a few? The blocks. The blocks and then in his room, the floating blocks. That's right.

You know, that was like the first like. You're so right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like I think in the next couple of weeks, we're going to get some last minute submission, some heavy. Yeah. And it's so crazy that they showed them before.

That's right yeah i think i think you know danny garcia's workload's gonna bloody quadruple now with people wanting video you know making tv magic it's essentially tv magic but it's gonna be in these vertical yeah clips i love it well alex we're gonna look out for that for sure and um i can't i can't wait to start watching kids magic from eric because you know everyone's gonna watch it it doesn't matter that you're making it for kids everyone's gonna

want to watch A big part is my style has always been like I'm performing for the adults and there's children there.

You know i'm gonna have to definitely dumb it down because it's good very it's going to be like, all right hey hey right because it is for kids after all and it's for kids to watch alone when their parents are doing the dishes right but i am going to make the parents laugh and subconsciously kind of like oh who is okay but the best eric leclerc line is it has to be fun for the adult as well it's like a disney movie yeah like this yeah this is why he wins every everyone man yeah heads you know

yeah that's a good hack i talk about that in my lecture which i'm coming to coming to do a little lecture tour in australia and new zealand by the way when is this is this true yeah yeah yeah this summer what what summer for australia the end of the year your winter your winter i'm coming a couple months i'm coming june june like second to like 26 awesome oh Oh. Two more friends here. So, yeah. Has Piper Magic not been telling us this info?

Well, it's not confirmed, but I mean, plane tickets are going to be bought very, very soon. It's for the light here. And I say that the Disney line, to get back to it in my lecture, I'm like, one of the best things ever. Like, I've always been very edgy in my magic. Like, my jokes and my kid shows. Like, you know, sometimes I have moms go, like, look around to see if other moms are laughing.

And they always are. but if ever there's a good tip for anybody when you say something and like you go too far and you see like you're like oh i shouldn't have said that a good line is like guys come on it's like a disney movie it has to be fun for everybody right you guys are paying right yeah yeah disney movie really kind of deflect or not deflects like disarms the people the karens that are like oh he took a ball out of his butt, like, right? Oh, yeah, in Disney movies, there are adult.

There are, in Disney movie, there are, yeah, exactly. Tyler, the best Shrek humor, exactly. There are, like, jokes for the adults. But that little line is, like, a nice little hack. That I've developed another connect. I'll tell you, I'll tell you about another thing. I talk about my lecture. This is so good. So a hack, a hack I've developed. If you do kid shows, okay. If sometimes you'll get like, do you guys perform for kids? Yeah. I mean, inevitably, but not my main.

So sometimes you'll get a, you'll get a kid who's like just on your ass, you know, it's like, ah, he thinks he's funny being a, you suck or like, no, sometimes they throw things, which I, that's where I draw the line. But anyways, so instead of kicking them in the jaw, what I do is that I just ignore it. I kind of like, you know, whatever, during the show's fine.

But afterwards, when I'm setting, when I'm tearing down my stuff on stage, if it's like a family event or like a theater, or like a group event where there's kids and families everywhere, if a kid comes up to you, sometimes the kids come up to you and they want, like, they want the mouth coil or they want your attention.

But if a kid is saying, oh, you suck or like, oh, that wasn't good or like, I know all your tricks or whatever they say, instead of like ignoring them, Or instead of like telling them that, you know, their parents don't love them or they're adopted, what I go, I fake gratitude. So I just go like, oh, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. No matter what they say, I go, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

What this does is all the parents watching sees, assumes their kids are giving you compliments. You're like, oh, thanks, man. That was great. That was great. Give him pounds, whatever. And the kid, the first, and the kid's like, no, no, I'm saying you, I'm saying that wasn't good. I know all your chick. You're like, oh, thank you so much. That's so nice of you. So you're faking gratitude. So after doing that for like 20 years, it's an old hack I had. Last year, I went on the Got Talent Show.

I went on France, Australia, and Romania, and another one, I forget. And I discovered that sometimes when they don't, when they can't have you back on, like I was, they paid me to go there. They paid me so I could be in their reel for the season, upcoming season, right? So I know I'm not coming back. So to make sense in editing that I'm not coming back, they got to say negative stuff sometimes.

They try and cut it. So in France, I'm French, but the French humor in France really does not translate. It's like British humor. We don't understand whatever. So here's a tip if you ever go on the Got Talent shows. You feign... You feign like the judges are telling you good things. You do not give them a clip where you're acknowledging. If the judge is like, yeah, your humor didn't work really well, and I think you should work on it. You always go, oh, thank you so much.

Thank you. That's great. That was amazing. Thank you. Thank you. And then like, no, no, I think he's saying you need to practice your tricks when you're like, thank you. Thank you. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Thank you. But that's good.

Sure, it makes you look a little kooky for like 30 seconds. if the producers don't have any negative of you acknowledging that you're getting so they can't cut it together so i discovered just like this guy's this guy i don't i don't understand okay next like they just kind of give up and like send you off so that's the nice thing is that we're going on those talent shows to always fake gratitude fake comments good comments yeah

That is honestly the best thing I've ever heard because then they look like idiots in the editing if they use that and cut to you. Yeah, they can't use it. I love it. Wow. I give away my trick. If there are any producers watching that, they'll come back and haunt me. Where'd you go? I mean, I feel like that could work for adults as well. Like if adults are heckling you after a show or after a trick close up or whatever, you probably still troll them by doing the same thing.

I'm reading this book right now. I've been doing a lot of reading too. I'm reading this book, it's called The Let Them Theory, And it teaches you like just the simplest thing. So like, just let them, just let them, you know, let them, if people are doing the thing, just let them instead of taking it to heart or whatever, just let them. And like, it's easy to say, but when you say it to yourself, it's sometimes it takes two or three or four or five times.

But if you say to yourself, it's just like, everybody's allowed to their opinion. Some people who dropped the coin. Oh, it was a sound effect. Who was playing with the coin? What are you working on, Josh? Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Yes uh good times guys thank you so much for coming on i can't believe like you thank you for finding time amongst this 65 shows in 60 days or whichever way around it is it's insane either way we have the links to follow these guys below although you already do follow them and look we can't wait to see this new venture and you know you have support of everyone here and if we can help in any way, let us know. But we love to finish the podcast by giving you guys the final word.

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Do you want to go? I read a quote recently that I really liked and I highlighted it in one of the books and it was like sometimes you don't have to be the best you just have to be different not really that really resonated with me and sometimes we have this imposter syndrome especially in magic you know to be like oh it's not good enough or it's i can't do that or somebody's done it before but if you do it your own way you know it's going

to be different so you don't always have to be the best just you know the quote is learn from the best do what they do best and make it your own is that what the code is i don't know i just made that up but it sounds good though it's really nice man that's a good final word yeah we'll see you next time. Thanks for listening it's time for us to disappear now but we'll see you again on the next episode of the magic guys.