2 Bald Men Do A Magic Show! #173

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Oh ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 173 of the magic guys where we bring you the magic goodness from the lives of our professional magicians or at least we try to be i'm josh trombito and to my left we have nick k welcome to the show friends it's very nice to be here yeah and we have on our wonderful magic guys merch today i think that deserves an air horn oh yeah and it's so cool it is so cool to see these shirts making their way around the world people like tim askin and

scotty p have already shared photos with us wearing them and scotty p came to our theater of magic which we're going to talk all about wearing the shirt so he gets extra props for that and what a guy thanks for joining us in the chat nick who we got in the chat today we got a lot of friends we do have a lot of friends we've been chatting backstage our good friend thomas conger tim askin we have dragotia our good friend nick and of course scotty it was

a pleasure to meet him in person which is really fun i kind of felt like i was meeting a celebrity because like i know you through the youtube and you do all this stuff and then i got to meet him in person and exchange a hug which is awesome and of course our good friend eddie is here as well, and Scotty Link.

Thank you all for being here. We have some funny stuff to talk about today because over the weekend just passed, I, Nick K, got to fly up to the wonderful, warm Brisbane as opposed to the miserable, cold, and wet Melbourne, which I love. I was up there for a couple of shows, well, one show in particular, and whilst I was up there, I said, hey, do you want me to do a spot at the Brisbane Theatre of Magic?

To which the guy said, absolutely. You're are now doing a 30 minute set and i said sick so it was if you haven't been you must is the first thing i want to say you must yeah boy so well before we get to that i didn't even ask you like.

How was the event before coming to theater magic because you know the whole reason you actually flew was to do an event in brisbane for for an event fashion show but then we're like oh also I also do the Theatre of Magic, but the Theatre of Magic very much became the main feature of why everyone wanted you to come to Brisbane. But how was the first event? How did that go? So the first event was pretty brilliant. It was the Oceania beauty pageant for like the Miss Universe realm.

So it was tough, tough gig, tough gig to be at, man, bro. It was awful. Like we're talking about Miss France, Miss Cambodia, Miss UK, Miss like the best the country has to offer. And then my bold self entertaining them with magic. And they were so lovely and they were so sweet and they're all so, so pretty and so smart. Like they are so cool talking to Miss France and she, she's like a trauma surgeon. Outside of doing this type of thing like because everyone's just uh everyone's for her yeah.

Yeah but it's just it's just wonderful to to have like just really nice intellectual conversation, you know everyone knows like beauty is one thing but brains are sexy brains are sexy that's great so it's really nice to just have really nice people to hang out with as well as a whole bunch of industry people all very fashionista type people you know people from fashion magazines etc you know i just wore my lovely suit which i adore wonderfully made by the

good folks at oscar hunt who were also a sponsor that evening so it was a it was a fun time but.

Definitely the highlight of my weekend was hanging out with you guys do i have a it's kind of no it's back at you man it's back at you like man you know when we have people come in perform at the theater of magic which is very few so far it's like are they going to fit into what we're trying to create you know is their act good even you know when you're considering other people that could do the show but none of these were a question when nick was coming we were like he's coming yeah he's

in we'll just whoever's doing that show at that night they're not doing it now and nick's doing it which is chris so you know that's totally fine but okay where do we even start so well what What was your, for those who don't know, and I don't know how, because I talk about it all the time.

The Theatre of Magic is a regular weekly Saturday night show that myself, Christopher Wayne and the amazing Nigel put on. There's two shows in an evening and it's a parlor setting. So there's like maximum 40 seats in the room and then they see close-up magic and they see parlor magic. Essentially, just everything is right in front of their face.

So it's the best way to experience it. we've been having a great time doing it so far, but this was the first time we had an interstate guest and without, without really having to say anything, Nick just came in. And when I say he just annihilated this audience, I mean, he annihilated this audience, but what was your, yeah, well, let's go with you first. Like, what was your experience or like notes that you want to say about it all?

Well, what I love, well, the thing is you guys are so hyper-focused on the experience that it's like incomparable to anything else that I've experienced or seen, especially on my side of the planet here in Melbourne town, let alone almost anywhere in, to, you know, to the, like, you know, like from fringe festivals, you know, all that sort of notion, you guys just do it proper. Like from the moment you arrive in this beautiful venue, it is, it's, it just feels red carpet all the way.

You just feel so special from the moment you walk in to the moment you leave. And there's, there's just very little to dislike about the whole experience.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, like there is no reason why you would hate it there like i mean even even when let me tell you the extent they even go to there was uh they got like seating in like three different rows and they kind of adjust in height from very comfortable chairs in the front to kind of bar stools in the back now uh the amazing nigel who who instigates a lot of this and sets up the room in particular ways he's so onto it and so critical that everyone have a good time that he

just saw a woman sitting on the back bar stool kind of squirming a little bit and looking a little uncomfortable and just went over and said you okay like and he's been oh yeah she's got a sore back but it's fine he goes no no i'm gonna fix that for you and then immediately put her in a more comfortable chair like if that is not customer experience and someone like really given a crap that you have the best possible time you can have i don't know what is folks so i

it's it's just phenomenal yeah i can't imagine anybody ever given that place a bad review like it is just amazing like touch wood but we have over 170 five-star reviews already like split up between tripadvisor and facebook like in you know we started this seven months ago and i like for me to get so in tripadvisor there's over 100 reviews now all five stars and like for me as a personal magician. You know, I've been professionaling for, I don't know, let's just say a decade now.

I might have like, I don't know, 60 reviews on Google. Like to get over a hundred in seven months, it's like, yeah, it's just crazy. But man, it's so fun.

Look, it's so early into the episode, but there's two clips I pulled from the show that we can use as tipping points to talk about and sort of interesting things you guys might find that I just caught these moments from the camera that aren't part of the show, but every show is different. And these are just some things I noticed.

And just to set this up, so your customer experience is you go into this beautiful venue, you're greeted by Josh, he sends you up an elevator, you're greeted by another magician on the other side.

You're then welcomed into the room the wonderful and ever charming christopher wayne is doing some warm-up magic in the corner some close-up for the folks basically doing what effectively is an awesome street show after which everyone sits down and they get ready for their first act which is myself and this is a portion from that clip so let's talk through it hey let's run it and also you get your photo taken at the media wall when you go in so you already have some memorabilia

from the night okay so this clip you're about to see i'm not showing nick's full routine because this is nick's you know work that he's worked on forever this is sort of what is just happened is he's made i can't believe i'm saying this he makes a spectator's phone vanish like just out of thin air like you know how we'll make a coin vanish well nick k makes a freaking iphone vanish and And this is the moment it's just disappeared. Here we go.

Then it reappears in your pocket, madam. You don't have pockets? Shit. No, it's okay. I keep a backup phone just in case, yeah? You already keep your important stuff. The answer isn't in your business, magic man. I keep my important stuff in my wallet. In my wallet, I have like cards and cash, but in the zip compartment to keep it safe, I keep one of these. You can have that. It should be your phone. All righty. Now, look, we have time for one more. If you want to see one more,

say yes. Wonderful. Mike, give a favor card.

Well done. Bravo, sir. So for the listeners in their car, enjoying our docile, beautiful voices, what had happened was I vanished it in thin air, effectively, and that mobile phone, which is genuinely their phone, phone appears inside of a breast wallet in my jacket pocket.

And what you don't see if you're just listening to this is there's a woman to the side having this surreal moment where she's looking at the guy who just got his phone back and she's mouthing to him, is that actually your phone? And the guy looks back and he's like, yeah. And she does a double take. She's like, that is your phone. And he's like, yeah. Yeah. And she's just like, has this moment where it's too impossible for her. And she's just like, that's crazy.

And it's little things like that. I don't like little things like that. We probably don't clock because we're commanding a hundred things at a second, but like, yeah. Do you have any experience of that? Like, are there times you'll do that routine or similar things where people are like, hang on, is that actually your science thing?

Or is that actually what you you thought of does that happen a lot nick it does happen a lot that's a that's a great question josh nobito and it does happen a lot and that is because nate staniforth did an amazing course in creative magic and one of the things that helped me identify with what i do in my magic is creating, logic traps and so if you can do things that if you have those type of spectators that will constantly try to figure things out, and those people are cool.

They exist, and we love that they exist. We need them to kind of be around, right? But the point I'm getting at is that sometimes... You've got to think how they're going to think. And you've got to assume what they might assume.

And if you can put little things in place that negate what they think could possibly be a method, that there could possibly be two phones, if you put a logic trap in place, what happens is when they try to backtrack through what they've seen, they hit the trap and they can't go any further. And it just gets stuck. And they are like, I don't know how, I have no idea. And then they ultimately just admit defeat and just accept you as being a good performer.

And for someone who performs as regularly as I do in close proximity, you know, for three hours of shift at my residencies, I can get chased by some of the worst people you can imagine. So I've had people literally frisk me trying to find things on my person. And it's like, yeah, man, you got nothing on me. Like, pull up your sleeves. Let me look at your sleeves.

So and yeah and and it's just because of that but you know what it all just comes down to time if you spend enough time doing your performances you will get chased and you will find ways to either one ensure that your magic lands better or to ensure that it leads them straight into a logic trap where they just fall down a spiral and cannot believe what they're hearing and seeing, yeah because to them to that lady which she was scotty put a thing in the comment because scotty was

there that night he's like that was the best woman that that was the best group in the whole audience and that's true they were they just reacted so well like they were just really in this magical experience and so yeah in her mind she's like there's no logical way that phone that came out of your jacket out of your wallet and out of your zip in two seconds after it you know It vanishes and then you just go into these layers and pull out the phone. There's no logical way that's the same phone.

And then for her to ask him, like that's her only logical thing. It can't be the same one. Is that your phone? And he's like, yes. That is probably, would you say that's the magic moment for her? When it was confirmed it is, that's when her mind probably melted because now there really is no explanation. Yeah. It's just so good, man. I could just reach it. Yeah.

You have to see Nick live. I would never just share his whole show, but man, it would be fun to just watch your whole show with you drinking and have people watch. People watch your show. It's so funny. Well, one thing I will say is that like, I am pretty thankful that I went first on the lineup because man, like I would, I would hate to follow your act. Tell me more. No, I mean that politely. Josh did a new routine that he was like, I want your thoughts on this, man.

And the routine I'm talking about particular is is the the seven-sided rubik's cube thing that you do and it gotcha fooled me beyond recognition like i i have it the foggiest on how any of that was done like or or how anything works i'm gonna say that openly and right right are you sharing a clip from from what i'm banging on about kind of yeah yeah yeah i am not the not the ending reveal but just let me play it and And let's talk about this.

So to set it up, these are just some snippets of my Rubik's Cube routine. But at the end, you'll see something that the spectator says that I didn't think they'd be thinking. Here we go. Four, five, six. I don't believe it.

No. I did it. I don't believe it. Look, every week this kills. We get Nick in here and it's like, ah. So any questions? Owen? Can I sit in the back? Yeah. Any other questions? What you're saying is there's another cube in here? There is, but it's also salt. Okay. I'm going to leave that there as well. That's all I've got. Thank you very much. Okay, how are you going there, Ben? I thought there were lots of little TV screens. Oh! No! Watch, the office will come on. Ready?

Oh, man. So I know it's pretty. Oh, were you going to jump in? Go for it. No, please. Please explain what happened with the Rubik's cubes. Go for it. Yeah. So it's very loud in there and stuff. But if you are listening, just listening to this, basically, I give this massive seven seven by seven Rubik's cube to a guy to shuffle and his partner's looking at it.

And then when I get it back from him, she goes, oh my God, I thought they were all mini TV screens, like each individual cube on the Rubik's cube. And I'm just like dumbfounded. I'm like, how high tech and like rich do you think I am to have this like in my head? And I'm like, oh, okay. And she's like, yeah, I thought it was just little TV screens. And then earlier in the show, she had made a reference to watching The Office. So then I'm like, watch, the office will come on.

That's why she found that funny. Because, you know, watching TV. But yeah, she's like, oh, but it's not. It's real magic. And I'm just like, what do you think I'm doing out here, lady? And so, because in her mind, again, when I was instantly solving these other, just the three by three cubes, in her head, that's the method she's probably thinking. Oh, it must be a button that makes it go back to normal.

Or they're led screens that just change whenever you want right and it wasn't until she actually touched that one that now the magic moment hit her and was like oh he's actually doing magic this is not a fake thing and so that's something i wanted to bring up about cubing is that it's so impossible now, the stuff we have learned to do with cubes, like I can't do a cube act without giving a cube away now because otherwise people just assume it's rigged to all hell with digital crazy stuff.

What say you, Nick? You know, it's really interesting because we were engaged in this conversation yesterday with some friends. And we were talking about how much convincing do you need to do for the audience? Like how important is it? And if and when is it necessary?

And I think that with the 7x7, when people are turning that, and especially when you finish the kicker of that routine, which I won't spoil for anyone, but they need to see it just to appreciate how brilliant that is i was like oh it must be, tortoise and then you twisted it and i went what the and i and i was just like that is staggering and i and i haven't the foggiest and how any of that routine works but it was beautiful and turn my brain to mush but it's interesting when people

will say things like you've got portals in your hands and you've got string or you've got tv screens for blah oh and these cards are can i look at that for a second it's really it's gonna be good good discussion for this podcast right now because let's just take an example right when they inspect the cube and negates everything they could be thinking of like they're just little tv screens that's That's what's up. That's what's up is little screens everywhere.

How necessary is it? Do you think in order for them? Yeah. Okay. So I guess when is it necessary and why is it necessary to prove that it isn't an led screen? Is that your question? Yeah. Well, people are going to fuck you. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone talk about Rubik's cubes consisting of little TV screens. That's a first.

Yeah. But it's, but it's a type of thing when like when is it necessary and why so it's necessary because, they need to accept the skill and magic involved what do you think well i think because technology is getting so good now. I think for those particular people, their brain switches to, it has to be technology because technology is something I also don't understand.

Therefore, this must be that, right? It's like how people say magnets and it's because they don't really know how magnets fully work, which they don't know how this magic trick works. So this must be magnets, you know, because they don't understand it. And so, yeah, like I was saying, cube magic is just so freaking unbelievable because everyone knows how hard it is to solve one if they had one.

And it's like if they think it's technology then that's what it is right because technology is so so valid i remember i did a show at this hotel and when i was leaving the staff members like so how how expensive are those cubes and i was like what do you mean he's like you know how you can like, shake it and make them all all the all the colors zap back to normal and i'm like, please do it and he's like what and then i did it and then i let him keep the

cube and he's like are Are you effing kidding me? What the F just happened? And only now is it like, like amazing. So like, yeah, is there, what's the way to, at the start of the routine, maybe, is there a way at the start to, to zero that out? So then everyone can just be in the moment straight away. Well, that's a good question. Cause what I'm thinking as, as we sort of unfold this, I typically open with my Rubik's cube routine.

And I try to make it so that people tend to be terrified of public speaking to begin with. So let's identify that. They also get terrified that they're going to be brought up on stage and be made a fool in by the magician as well by nature. And with, you know, times past, that seems to be the, the mold.

And I, I don't conform to that mold. And I ensure that everyone's customer experience is amazing, whether or not, like no matter how they're interacting with me, It's going to be a good time. So I tend to not have anything handed out. Until about halfway through the routine but everything that happens prior could possibly.

Be done with little tv screens but i never think that i need to try and negate that i you know you know what now like someone just put in their comments that something about you should pull out where is it oh yeah you should have pulled out a remote to change all the channels lol thank you david maybe that's maybe that's something i should do now is i should have a a remote in my, in my jacket or something and be like, if you, if they think it's screens go really here, pull out a remote,

see, not a screen, you know, maybe, maybe there's something there. Like that's kind of funny. Or I could just be like, damn it. They're onto me. Pull out the remote, put it in the case. All right. Let me do it without the screens. I don't know. Maybe there's some, some kind of funny add on if that happens. Well, we have a couple of questions here and we'll, we'll circle back to what

we're talking about, but a good friend, drag out to you. A good friend, and Nick is saying, how many magnets are in cubes? Now, in truth, there are magnets in some particular types of cubes and they're fantastic for certain purposes. They allow you to not overspin when you're doing things quickly. And it also means that when you're doing your solves, it's always perfectly flush. They're a relatively expensive cube. I don't see them too often.

I certainly don't see them readily available, but I know they do exist and I have used them. So have you actually played with that particular type of cube before, Josh? I mean, I definitely have a particular one that does have magnets. And there's one particular one out there that is rigged with heaps of magnets in it. And the only problem is that cubes just unfortunately get dropped sometimes by spectators.

And this one you you drop it and you know 20 magnets now just go everywhere and now you gotta get a whole new one i know my buddy apollo sent me a photo where he was doing a routine and uh he just sent me a photo of like the ground with you know 30 different pieces of cubes everywhere and then all these magnets and he's like oh god damn it so it's kind of like you know is it worth even doing that. Like I can, I can say none of the cubes, none of the cube magic I did at theater

of magic use magnets or anything like that. Right. But it's definitely.

Yeah. And yeah, it does make them a little bit weightier. So you can kind of maneuver them a bit better. That, that is true, but it's not a big deal. Yeah. Some have them. You could put all sorts of stuff in a cube really, when you take off the.

The actual thing you can hide all sorts of stuff in there if you i think we talked about this once in spitballing like what could you put in there as a reveal yeah we talked about putting corners of playing cards in there and so forth but david also has a very interesting comment here i'd like to share with you guys and it says maybe leave the cube at a seat pre-show with a note to mix and pass it around to be further mixed that is a really good idea so that's fun yeah and you could

just add a couple of minutes to your act where everyone just passes it around and the reason you show it mixed about is to go just because i wanted you guys to know this is nothing but an ordinary cube you show that it works in a proper way you show them how it's solved and then you get into your normal routine like that is something that yeah is pretty pretty healthy i think i once had an idea that we could cover one of the cocktail tables with a rubik's cube,

cloth, like a table mat, and then have some cubes on it. And that's like the cube station where people go up and they try to see if they can solve them. They realize how hard it is. And then maybe that helps with the magicalness later.

Yeah, I'm just worried people drop them, keep them. I mean, I don't care if they keep them, but I need them for the acts. Yeah, I'm going to try it. I'm going to see. I'm going to try it. But then, but there's also something else, which is if you don't prove that it's not that thing till later, now there, there's something else to be said with that because now. Like, how do I say this? They think they have the answer. So now they stop thinking about any, any other methods.

So now they watch all this amazing stuff. And then when they realize the method they thought it was, is distinguished, the routine's done now. So they can't rewatch it. So now they're like, holy crap. Instead of like, oh, it's not led screens. Okay. Let me watch closer. Do you think there's something there as well?

That's a good point. So are you better off leading them down the garden path that they think is the method only to realize and then prove it's not yeah it's like saying get in the car kids we're going to disneyland they're like yay and they drive in the car for 30 minutes and they end up at the dentist.

You'd be like you lied oh yeah scotty p makes a good point you know sometimes you want them to have a red herring yeah so there's definitely a place for that as well um but either way very fun well okay so so let's let's let's let's shelve the cube for a moment and talk about something like mnemonica type deck okay how important is it that they shuffle it and they because of it which they can't is the first thing right what right okay you know what i mean like some people like let me shuffle the

deck and you're like oh drainer but like it's just you you kind of smell what i stepped in here yes i think it's very important that they feel like it's a very casual deck so i put a lot of clips on instagram where i'm using mnemonica but what you don't see in that clip because it's only and i can only use an up to a minute of footage is probably the 20 seconds before that video is me chatting with the audience shuffling the deck loosely cutting it some overhands,

stuff that just to the audience, unconsciously lets them relax and not suspect anything. If I was very like a.

Rigid with the deck like you know so not not to disturb anything i was like all right you're gonna let me get my deck okay and for 30 seconds i'm like this name a card okay would you be impressed if this is the you know what i mean yeah but instead i'm like talking and i'm like i'm like doing this stuff and i'm like you know whatever and cool yeah if you were to name a card you know what would you say whatever you know i don't care and then i'm like bam knock them dead i think that's

important that they feel like there's nothing suspicious because I would say in roving like I used to have so the way I used to approach it was and then very interested to hear what Nick thinks but so I would have a deck a mnemonica deck and a deck I just opened and shuffled and whatever and I would use this one the shuffle deck a lot and then this one I would pull out about second or later in the night.

But now I've just started just using this deck and no one in the course of my roving says, well, let me shuffle the deck because I'm doing so much shuffling and getting them to cut the deck and them handling it where they go behind their back and, you know, cut the deck and all these sorts of things. I'm doing triumph routines with it. Like they just, You would think they would want to shuffle it, but no one asked me to. So I guess that's not, luckily, not pinging off in their brain as a warning

sign like, hey, you know what he's not doing? Shuffling. I have seen some people who do stack work in the most rigid way and they will only ever count the cards face up so they don't disturb the order of things. I just don't know how important it is. I don't do stack work. Right. Yeah. Or if I do, it's only a partial stack of, you know. And when I say that, it's a slug. And I maintain a slug of cards so that I can do, you know, multiple routines as one single set.

Like I will do a whole bit, but I'll also make sure that those four aces are going to be ready for my second act. And then my third act, which I'll need to maintain a bunch of other cards for a particular portion of the routine so that's basically as far as i go with that so yeah for the people watching this here's here's something i found immensely helpful the smallest detail about keeping a mnemonica deck looking normal is let's say you do a very basic routine and someone picks out a card.

And you do this and you name the card they've taken as you go to put it back as i saw this Literally, if you take it back, instead of putting it here, so now it's back to retaining the order or whatever, you do a Charlier cut and shove it in the middle. And now that's still retaining the mnemonical order, but it looks like you're just like, oh yeah, whatever. Like you've just shoved it back somewhere in the deck, but it's not.

And everything's good because now i could just do one cut and everything's back to.

The order that i've started in does that make sense because if it makes sense to you nick it'll make it makes perfect sense but if anyone listening who might find that a little perplexing effectively when a card is chosen as you display it to them and then you execute a cut and throw it in between the cut as it completes itself now you will obviously know the identity of that playing card once it's been chosen by looking at the bottom of the card bottom of the deck rather so yeah it's

a that's a really nice natural way of returning it back to the deck yeah so essentially it's it's once you've finished the routine instead of putting it on top of the deck you just it looks like you just shove it somewhere in the middle but by doing the charlier cut it's still going on that portion of pack that would have been the top and anyway little detail i've been using it and it just adds to that unsuspicious yeah and i think what what sort of

touches upon what you've made mention not only here but in in your previous comments about shuffling and so forth is that it needs to feel like you've shuffled and it's one of the most important things that we need to do as magicians and entertainers where we really need to make it appear as if we're doing what we're doing not actually do it we only need to make it appear.

As if the deck is shuffled and even make it appear as if we've put it into the middle even though we haven't or you know it that's that there's a lot of strength in doing that when you just make it appear as if you're doing the thing that would negate you know set up those logic traps if you will so that is a really little bit thanks man the logic tips all right let me wreck my brain real quick about your show because it was very good. There's just so much we could talk about.

Okay while you're thinking let me while you're thinking about that let me let me just add this in there yeah i took this i didn't i'll be honest two things i didn't exactly know what i was going to do when i performed i had i had the intention of doing a whole bunch of just magician fooling stuff because a lot of there were so many there were so many magicians in the room a quick shout out to the guys who did come mr scotty p thank you for coming out it was so nice to meet you to Alex Lamb,

who's probably going to be listening to this later. Thank you for coming there, buddy, and sharing your beautiful coin magic. It was such a pleasure to watch. Charlie, Jabba, that's Chris Murphy, and everyone else at game. Sean Piper from Piper Magic. Sean Piper. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Piper Magic, sponsor of the podcast. Mini Piper was there. Pete Booth. Yeah, Peter Booth. Everyone who was there, quick shout out. Thank you so much. And I intended on doing so much more, but time flew as you had fun.

I didn't see it. but scotty p told me he did a particular routine to you like that sort of had some podcast okay let's let's shelve this for a sec yeah scotty p did this thing and it genuinely fooled me okay.

Because he kind of did this like oh sorry oh i meant to do a different cut what's it called the deep cut force where you like cut and flip the cards over yeah we i regret not recording this because it was so wonderful so we do a cut force turn it over and then it says did you used to playing a band on the card and so i start laughing and then scotty p produced a microphone and dropped it on the table like a mic drop like a mic drop and i almost couldn't breathe it was

that funny oh my word it was so great and i regret not filming it if i knew that like that was coming, it was just so great yeah so thank you again for coming and thanks for doing that so the first First thing, lots of magicians were in the room and I didn't exactly know what I was going to do, but I had intentions of doing other stuff. The second thing is, admittedly, I was a little bit drunk.

Excellent. Well, I just came from that event and there was champagne, champagne, and I just kept filling my glass. And- I was, you know, doing my magic and I'm networking with other people and I'll have another champagne with us. Oh, absolutely. And so you're having a sip, a sippy sip. And before I knew it, I was, I was pretty tanked when I was performing, but yeah, it was nice to let loose for a little bit, actually. So sometimes it makes the magic more fun, right? Like more in the moment.

Cause you just kind of like a little bit looser. Yeah. And, and I'll be honest, like I did feel the nerves for this gig and I never feel the nerves, but I was genuinely feeling a bit, a bit. Oh because you know the people i care about a lot the people who i consider to be 20 feet tall you know i look up to them all so much people like yourself and gary and all all the guys were there right everyone so performing in front of your peers that you really hold in high regard is.

Is a little nerving just just the slightest bit you know which is weird because like i remember when i was performing with teller right right over my shoulder and i was just like yeah i'm just going to show them what i do it's all good yeah yeah i felt i felt the same thing except for i'd done theater magic so many times like i'm in that environment just like how when you're in a bar environment like you know what's good i i reckon it's because there was that five percent of

like you hadn't done the theater magic like environment to know if it would be a bad setup or a good setup or you know whatever yeah the home the home court advantage if you will right that's a good way to put it yeah i reckon i reckon that lasted 20 seconds once you started before i just took off my pants and made myself at home hey this is a nice place you got here you make you made a joke i was not ready for you were like what what maybe you

can just say what's the joke you say when people have their arms crossed like this oh i find relax i'm not trying to oh right so what i do is i find someone with their arms crossed and i like to address them and i say you there with a positive body language and then he's got his arms crossed and if they aren't crossed i'm like cool but if he keeps his arm and this particular gentleman kept his arms crossed and i said it's okay i'm not gonna yeah because he

had his arms crossed and i said relax i'm not trying to steal your nipples yeah. And you did it like you're like relax i'm not trying to steal your nipples or you might even even have done this i'm not trying to steal your nipples and. It was so funny man And so funny because we were just not expecting a joke like that because we, you know, we just never heard it before. Yeah. I don't know where that came from. I like. Yeah. Yeah. Funny stuff.

I like how you led them down the path of showing them a trick with the iPhone. So they were so disarmed that anything was coming. And then all of a sudden you're just like, and it's gone. That's very fun. Is that how you would normally approach that routine? Like to, to vanish a phone or brute force that here's a phone boom. It's gone. Yeah. Yeah, I truly believe that magic is a gift and that you gift it to people worthy of it, number one, and people who you feel deserve it to some degree.

And so when I do this routine, I frame it as if I am teaching them a trick, which is great because all defenses are dropped. But it's also important to acknowledge that there's an exchange at hand here. Like when I'm like, I'm going to, as a gift, you know, sometimes I go like, look, I wouldn't ordinarily do this.

You guys are really lovely and it is your birthday so i'll tell you what if i teach you a trick would that make your day would this be the best party ever you know like you sort of frame it in that way and so because you're giving something i try to make it an exchange one of either gratitude thanks or there's going to be a business exchange now the way i framed it when i performed that night was i said now friends if i

teach you a trick would you like that wonderful i gotta tell you what i'll teach you a trick if you guys all leave a five-star review for this venue and now we're like deal deal done okay so i did it as a bargaining chip so it's it's a little bit of leverage that i try to have at some point or another sometimes i go look if you guys leave a five-star review for this venue or for tonight or whatever it might be i'll teach you a trick and i just leave it as a nice exchange you know so oh yeah

yeah and i think that that works out And then it's a whole pseudo explanation and then I vanish their phone, which now. And that's when you had that woman being like, is that actually your phone? You know, very good. And I think- I think I have a clip here of the response you had from the audience too. Let me just, while we're chatting, bring it up here. This was like when you had finished.

Oh, here it is. This is just so you can hear like, because at the very end, we all come out and say thank you. And the amazing Nigel does this amazing recall of everyone who's there. And then we got a standing ovation, which is wonderful. But this was just for Nick. So listen to this. It's crazy. Hang on, let me go back. So this is basically like, thank you. And then he's like, I'm done. Music.

Play for that guy. I reckon it was that last whistle that bursted your ear when you were saying your ear was... Before the show, Josh and I were having a chat and I had to admit that...

My so for context my left ear is rubbish i used to play in a band and the drummer was to my left and as a result my left ear drum is not great and not too long ago i was flying around quite a bit at the time and i was flying back from somewhere and upon landing my left ear blocked and was blocked for like a whole week and then i had to go to the doctors and do a whole thing and they were like you got airplane ear and i'm like that's a thing so like what happens when you're changing

blah, blah, blahs and science-y words. I have no idea what you're talking about. Changing attitudes. Yeah. Well, my left ear is pretty sensitive in a sense. If anyone yells in my ear, like I'll punch them in the face sort of thing. And it's not because I'm mean. It's literally like a protection reaction when someone tries to like yell or whatever else, like it destroys me genuinely. So they cheered after my set and it hurt my ears. They were so loud.

And then he punched the whole front row. So I punched Gavin in the front row. No. Yeah, like, I was staggered that they, like, they were wild and they enjoyed my set so much that I was, like, I literally had to, like, almost, I think I covered my ear at one point to be like, Jesus Christ, like, that is so loud and they enjoyed it. So, like, an amazing innovation. What a problem to have, hey? What a problem.

Don't you hate it when your crowd love you so much they scream and cheer and your ears hurt? And they burst your eardrums? oh it's the best oh dude totally.

We're idiots but but if i'm idiots there was a nice uh question from a friend scotty p earlier asking about there was that young boy who was celebrating his 12th birthday and it says here you're going to share on socials lucky ladybug routine yes we actually mr nabito with his amazing camera gear that he has in recording everything captured that and we've shared that with the good friends of deuce gala who produced the lucky lady bug if you don't have it

already you should and if you do want to see my performance of it it is on their socials and i've just shared it on mine so do scope it out yeah and i also i was also able to email that video to the mom of owen well lovely because because anytime we film a child we ask the parents like are you okay with this? Can we use it? She's like, yeah, yeah.

And we, I emailed her and literally as we were starting the podcast, if you listen back to the start of this podcast, you might even hear a little ding because my Bluetooth was connected to the roadcaster and she emailed at 10 or seven saying, thank you so much. You guys are absolutely amazing. See you again soon. Smiley face. So even being able to send her that was amazing. But when you see the video.

This is how of a ninja I was. I saw Nick was about to perform to this young boy Owen and I was like, ah, this is a video. So I pull out, this is just filmed on an iPhone, but luckily we had our ring light on us from the media wall we were just at. So that footage is just from an iPhone. But what I did was I chucked my lapel mic, my Rode Wireless Go in Nick's pocket.

And that makes the video like 80% better because you can actually hear what he's saying clearly and not just the ambience of the whole room from when you film someone on a phone. So just so you know, what I do at gigs now is I keep a lapel mic, uh, sorry, a road wireless go mic on me. And if I see people are filming me, I just turn it on and clip it on because I know if I get that footage from them, I can sync it up and have like a social media worthy video.

It has changed my life. and that's what i did with nick yeah dude that's genius seriously thanks bro what a champ like i don't have it here but basically yeah these road the new ones i'm using is called the road wireless pro and it records internally so literally it's a little square and literally once it's turned on it's just constantly recording so you clip it on you and you sync it up later there's another clip of mine on my instagram of me at a house party it's the

same setup it's go and do it guys because it's wonderful so well quick question about that is it it has is that one made so that it has two microphones one receiver is that the kit that you want to buy.

Yeah, so the Rode Wireless Pro is the most expensive version of the Rode Wireless sets, but for good reason. When you buy it, you get the receiver. So you get two microphones, right? So I could clip one on you and one on me. And then you have the receiver, I guess. I don't know if I'm using my words right, but you get two microphones and then one unit that will receive all the audio, which goes.

Normally you would plug it into the camera if you want it to record straight into the video you're filming but what i've been doing recently is not connecting it to the camera so that i also can use the boom mic on the camera to record extra audio from the audience because you get a better applause sound from the audience if it comes off the shotgun mic and then you get better voice from us if you use the mics and you

sort of mold them all together like what i did with the clips that you just watched of us earlier. That's using both our lapel mic and the camera's mic, but because it records internally, you don't need to have the receiver with you. You can just have the microphone and it will just record into itself. And later on, you just get it off the computer. So yeah, that's really handy, especially if people are capturing you all the time.

Yeah, that is super cool. It's very, it's, it's a, it's a hot tip. But if you get nothing from this episode, it's everything that Nick said. But if you didn't listen to that, it's the tip about the microphone. No. Yeah. So, look, it is a pretty phenomenal experience that you guys put on there. Like I said, the media wall, which is great. I mean, young Owen, you know, he was celebrating his 12th birthday. He wants to do magic. I gifted him a pack of playing cards and said, like, there you go,

Junior. Like, go practice. Go do what you want to do. like i mean how cool would it be if you know what is he's 12 if in like six years time it's like, he's he's ready for a set of theater could you imagine goosebumps bro goosebumps bro absolutely that would just be so cool to to have that you know um if he's like i got my inspiration from the theater of magic and now six years later i'm at the theater of magic performing or something or something like that that would be insane so just

to affirm you said it's only been going for seven months. Correct. That's staggering. That is phenomenal to, to yeah. Now just, just for reference friends. And I'm not, I'm not going to get into the details about this purely because I think that there is a formula that is working for these guys. But I, whilst in Brisbane was staying with the amazing Nigel, he was gentlemanly enough to have me staying his beautiful home.

The amount of work that guy does behind the scenes to ensure that the theater of magic operates the way it does i don't see that type of level of operation in multi-million dollar businesses i i kid you not like i know restaurants that that make tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars a week and they do not even put that much effort into like what these guys do to give you that experience i generally mean that and that's why i think that from what

i've seen and it's purely from my personal perspective and i don't know what other amazing guys like luke hawking and so forth are doing out there but i'm just gonna tell you what i saw i think no one does it better i think that as far as magic theater experience nobody does it better, and it's it's honestly insane what the amazing nigel does like we all do our separate parts for the theater magic, but he has this crazy brain of his one little thing I'll tip.

Yeah. One. Yeah. Big brain thinking he loves to say that one, one thing I'll tip that he does, which just, unless you're a psycho, you're not replicating this. He has a system set up so that he will be notified if someone buys a ticket that has bought a ticket before. So by the time they bought their ticket, not told us that they're coming back for a second time, but on their seat in the theater will be a big thank you box of chocolates that says like, thank you for joining us again.

And it would just be there because he set up a system to just know who's coming back again. And it's, and it's so cool to see people's reaction. Like, oh my God, they know that I was coming back and like, this is a thank you.

And they didn't have to do this. and like this and that's just a little one of the things he does he's a freaking psycho and everyone needs an amazing nigel on their team yeah mind you it is all genuine and this is not it's not like oh i use this software it's called it's called theater ish or something like no man this guy literally like does it himself he does his diligence the thank you emails you get from coming to the theater they're not automatically generated no they're not

they're not automatically like from like it's not like my zero accounting software where i just hit go and it sends an automatic email with my bsb and everything on there it doesn't do any of that it's all individually done and he refuses to automate it he's like no it's got to be done this way it's just better it's just nice that you can type things in there like like for example i you know And this guy was there with his partner.

And I was like, hello, your majesty. Nice to meet you. And so when it came time to send her the thank you email, he actually said, or as Nick calls you, your majesty, and then wrote the rest of the email. It's crazy, right? And the fact that he, because he personally talks to every single group that's there that night. And he just can recall. Each conversation and we'll just personalize that in the email it's yeah it's insane yeah.

Insane he can even he tends to even remember the people before they even get there he was like you know just just for reference he was like he saw these two tickets he's like oh they're coming back for a second time and he's like i'm pretty sure they look like this and then i was like right and then we get there and he's like i told you they look like that and i was just like Jesus, he still retains it. It's wonderful.

Yeah, he'll go like, oh, guys, because we rotate who performs each week in the show. And he'll be like, ah, this person is coming back. There's some people that have come back for the fifth time. It's really crazy. But he'll be like, this person's coming back for the fourth time. They've seen this person's close-up show, this person's stage show, this person's stage show. But this week, they're going to see your close-up set a second time.

So how about we change one routine so it's different to what they saw last time kind of thing. And it's wild. Also, quick note, my camera is saying there's a high temperature. Ah, I didn't turn on my air conditioning today. That's why. Because it's freezing and why would you need air con? But apparently, I need it so that my camera doesn't overheat so silly. There was a really funny bit during your show that I wanted to ask you about

on the pod. We hadn't set this up prior, so I don't know if I'm dumping it on you, but wasn't there a couple that were staying in the room opposite the theater? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So the Treasury Hotel accommodates guests. It's not just called a hotel for the sake of it. And on this night, yeah, our showroom was on level three, which is the same level that some of the room actual hotel guest rooms are at. And yeah, when you open our venue door, you're in the hallway and literally

the door across from ours was a couple that would come in to see the show. So yeah. People that were waiting for the show, just like outside saw this door open and these people just come out and then stay in the line. And they were like, did, did you just come out of that room and you're coming to this show? And they're like, yeah.

And they were telling us that in the first show at the 5 PM show, they're in their room and they just keep hearing all these applauses, all these clapping, all this laughter and like, what the hell?

Cause they're coming to see the the show later and so we kept making jokes like this this this is where the after party is going to be you know don't threaten me because i know where you're staying you know we just had all this back and forth jody and adam i can't believe i remember their names but yeah jody and adam was the couple sitting in the front stage right and that's what that was actually that was the couple that that gave me the the tv screen

rubik's cube back yeah they were staying at the same floor as our show which is crazy pretty crazy yeah crazy man yeah it was pretty funny we made a lot of jokes about having an after party in their room yeah yeah but yeah it's phenomenal you guys get there hours before it starts you make sure the room's set up you know there there is a bar so you can grab your drinks have your seats you know it's it's just good and it's a beautiful room yeah yeah it's

nice now you just got to come back and smash it some more again just start just start send setting your uh geographical location on your site to brisbane so it starts showing up more for brisbane clients yeah now i wanted to ask you previously it used to be at a cinema correct.

Yes. Yes, that's right. Another heritage listed building that was refurbished by this wealthy family. And yeah, it's called the Elizabeth Picture Theater. And they had this old drawing room that had all of these old Hollywood posters, real movie posters hanging in the walls. And so it made for a really cool ambience. but it was just, it could only fit the seats. Like there was no room to have pre-show magic area, a media wall, a water station, a bar.

You couldn't do any of that. It was just enough room to fit everyone seated. So we kind of outgrew it. And they kind of got a little funny that they were, that we, more tickets were being sold on a Saturday night to the theater of magic than to the actual cinema. So they were like, hang on, we're not a magic place. This is meant to be a movie place. Anyway, all as well. But yes. So we started there for like a couple of months and then we moved on to yeah.

The treasury hotel, who knows what will happen next. Yeah. I hope you guys get to stay there as long as possible, man. Like it would, it would just be so good. Totally, man. Totally. So yeah, that was our weekend.

End uh there's a full vlog i made coming out by the way of just shenanigans we went out to dinner like a few nights before the theater magic and all sorts of things and i'll share with nick's permission you know some other funny moments from his show from my show in the vlog and stuff and stuff that happened before and after it and and so look out for that probably, sometime this week what was then what was the name of that place where we had the banquet,

uh smoky moose i think smoky moose it was yeah so six of us got together and we ate every single thing off an eight person banquet yeah like oh yeah it was it was a good time which.

Nick was a freaking legend and even though he was our guest he paid for the whole meal and i'm talking this is an expensive place so this is like you know you're not nick k for nothing it's very as your audience would say it's very on brand nick k. Well friends there's lots of callbacks in that statement and we have reached our hour of chat thank everyone for listening big shout out to everyone who came out that evening do please do what you can to support the Brisbane theater of magic.

I would love to see this in every state of Australia. It's not around the planet. So like if you are a listener at the very least follow them on the Instagram shout out what the, is a Brisbane theater of magic. That's right. Instagram is Brisbane Theater of Magic, or the website is theaterofmagic.com.au. Let's go for that. Like, please get around and get behind it and back it up because it's so good for magic.

And I would love to see one of these in every single state of Australia at the very least. So, again, thank you very much. You can also follow myself at NickKMagic and, of course, the amazing Josh Norbito at Josh Norbito. Yeah, buddy. And that's all, folks. Thanks for watching episode 173. We'll be back for the next few weeks. We have guests lined up. So stay tuned for that. We'll see you in the Discord. Love you all. See you next time.

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