#04: WE’RE ROLLING BACK THE GOLF BALL! Plus, Phil Mickelson vs. Augusta National, and Morikawa Caught Cheating?

00:00.00 dave_gerhardt All right? You heard you heard the man you heard Trevor Trevor Illman Imelman I think that's who it is the long game is back baby he said rollback is rollback. We'll get into the rollback come on man we came 14 seconds in we already got. 00:06.81 Casey He didn't say rollback did he he said back. 00:16.81 dave_gerhardt I Think if you say it it helps the watch time the listen time. How was ah how was your weekend case everybody um everybody okay healthy. That's big that that means yeah oh you're fucked. 00:18.36 Casey Um, I'm just warning people to tune out now if they're not into that conversation. It was great. Yeah, we have a one week no six streak which is ah we have one of those signs in our house that says it's been this many weeks and someone was sick and it's usually says 0 but. Ah, but you no yeah, definitely. 00:36.14 dave_gerhardt You're fucked for this weekend. It's every other week. Ah, weekend is great. Um, actually hit some golf balls yesterday with my son. He's for Sam. He I don't try to push this golf on him at all all weekend. He asked me can we go. The video game place and play golf. Can we go to the video game place and play golf and that's this indoor place that I go to because on the track man they have these little like it's pretty sweet. You hit balls into like this this like sea of you know, characters and snakes and fish and and he loves it. 01:06.59 Casey Right. 01:10.98 dave_gerhardt And we went there and he he literally for an hour and a half I maybe made 3 swings and I was like wow this is not what it used to be I used to be like I hit and he watches and he wants to whack it around. So it's pretty fun. 01:21.68 Casey Um, my my kids are too young for that. But I feel like when I get to that age I'll be fine with only swinging 3 times but you just enjoy just as much watching them actually enjoy golf right. 01:29.80 dave_gerhardt Yeah, it was cool. It's cool he when he was 3 he used to he used to get really frustrated I mean he still does because it's obviously hard to hit the ball but like he's hitting it so much better now and I'm like wow this could be how fun could this be like if he gets into golf and we can play golf together. I'm not trying to ruin it I'm not trying to put any pressure on it. But it's it's pretty cool. Um, yeah also ah side side tangent I don't know if you're I gonna know if you're gonna be able to hear this but let me, um I don't do you know What do you know? What today is you know what? today's date is case. 01:51.42 Casey Um, yeah, that that frustration doesn't go anywhere but don't let them know that. 02:05.60 Casey Hove day. 02:05.97 dave_gerhardt Um, ho day happy birthday happy birthday to hove if you're listening. Thank you Mr. Carter for all, you've done. He's listening how old how old is Jay Z actually how old is Jay Z Let's see let me see I think he's gonna be in his fifty s yeah 54 02:13.30 Casey Um, oh he's listening huge cough guy. 02:19.70 Casey Um, I bet it's shockingly old I'm going to say like fifty one fifty One 52 wow 02:24.70 dave_gerhardt Wow man this is like we're getting to that point in life tigers tigers 48 Jayz's 54 like this is um, okay, real quick. What is your what is your go to what's your favorite jz album. 02:29.44 Casey Yeah, that's crazy. 02:42.41 Casey That's a great question I wasn't prepared for this. Um I think I really liked ah volume 2 right life and times of charm Sean Carter volume 2 way back in the day we had to do like an autobigraph. Ah. 02:56.51 dave_gerhardt Woa whoa. 03:00.40 Casey Like ah this old I think in like third grade or fourth fifth grade I I honestly forget when it was we had to do this book where it's like a compilation of all the work we did for the year like these essays and drawings and bullshit and they like actually pressed it into a hard bound book I have it still and we had to name it and on the side of mine. 03:06.68 dave_gerhardt Yeah, yeah, yeah. 03:18.56 Casey It says the life and times of Casey Ford volume to a reference that nobody in my middle school class got but yep, that's because like such an entry point for me. But I think if I had to say like my the one I listened to the most probably the black album. 03:21.45 dave_gerhardt That's are well volume 2 was volume 2 is hard knock life ah volume 3 is life. Yeah, yeah. 03:32.74 dave_gerhardt The black album I mean Also the black album for us was like that was Junior year of height I think it's It's so much of a nostalgic thing for me like that was like that was like basketball that was basketball that was Junior year of high school sure. 03:39.21 Casey Then. 03:46.74 Casey Um, and that was his retirement album. He had no albums after that right, he's just he's in his fifty s now right? Also also unplugged as a classic I wasn't counting that as an original album but that's probably my favorite. 03:49.68 dave_gerhardt Ah, yeah, he's he hasn't he hasn't put out an album since goodbye. Yeah, he's gone. He's gone. Um, mine is ah is oh this is why we're friends unplugged is a tremendous tremendously Good very underrated like oh she? Ah, but. 04:05.47 Casey Jaguar right? roots speaking of which to back to back episodes with Mary J who would have that on the on the odds. 04:08.27 dave_gerhardt Mary J Blige because the roots band is. It's amazing that the mary j has been talked about more than tiger woods on this on this podcast. Um. The unplugged is great. The roots band is fantastic and that was great I don't want this to sound like a cop out. But for me, black album is great. It's a blueprint, the original not not blueprint to blueprint for me blueprint is the one that I can play front to back any mood. 04:23.95 Casey Um, what's your album. 04:35.70 Casey Yeah. 04:40.77 dave_gerhardt You know a chill mood a energetic mood I can always play the the blueprint you know like song cry has a he's got summon for everybody. Um, and the arrival of Kanye West that's right that's right actually 04:48.64 Casey And really the the arrival of Kanye West as a producer. 04:57.93 dave_gerhardt And then there was the blueprint too where Kanye had that verse on on the bounce but he wasn't actually featured as ah as an artist on that song and I remember like who who is this and then that set off the whole other generation and then and then Kanye came out and then the year later was 50 set man that was such a fun time. What? Yeah yeah, yeah. 05:11.47 Casey That song as the gingerbread man line right? Yeah, well ask me ask me 1 more time. My favorite jayzy album the next one. 05:17.59 dave_gerhardt It shirt as sure does yeah, what's your favorite Jay Z album I there isnt going to has he. He's not going to put one out this. He's he's doing too much. He's a philanthropist. 05:26.38 Casey I don't know I don't know hopefully not another one with Beyonce. But anyway no that Albany put up with Beyonce was terrible. But anyway. 05:34.16 dave_gerhardt What do you got? What's wrong with beyonce dude all right? Um, good thing we started a golf podcast by the way because did you ever expect that it's December. It's the first week of December and there is just like so many things happening and so whatever you want to take about. Pj to and live and golf news and rollback and this thing and that thing like it's actually it's pretty damn fun I I the reason I want to do this podcast with you and we were talking about some golf stuff offline before is like for me golf is it's allowed me to scratch the stage of somebody who wanted to be a competitive athlete since I was like you know 8 eight years old and like we've talked about it's a long game so we can still play it so I can still think that I'm an athlete but it's also like a form of escapism right? I can I can just get into the golf news and like what does this all really matter in the scheme of life. It doesn't but it's a fun little hobby for us and we have we have plenty of things to talk about today. Um, first thing is. 06:22.20 Casey Yeah. 06:30.42 dave_gerhardt Hero world challenge which was over the weekend 20 guys. We talked about it case um shout out to your boy Scotty the body schuffler and your pick for the week you're over the two million Mark in the in the leaderboard now. Um any any reaction to to scotty from the weekend. 06:45.79 Casey Yeah I think it was my the number 1 reason I told you I was picking him last week was I didn't see him up at four zero a m with tiger you know on the craps table or or you know burning the midnight oil I I figured he'd be in bed up at bible study early with Sam Burns in the morning and. He showed up. Ah the big problem for Scotty recently is has been the short game and on the greens and he switched to a new putter this week and looks like it worked out for him. So glad to have picked him. Um big win for him. 07:15.49 dave_gerhardt Wait this is this is actually cut of so it's first first dub first dub with a new potter. That's a real story have not. 07:21.33 Casey Um, yeah, olsson putter company ever heard of it. He had switched I think from a Scott he tried to try to to tailor maid I think if recently and this week went to the Olsen Putter Olsson putter company 7 year old company. 07:34.13 dave_gerhardt The olson putter that. 07:38.22 Casey Custom putters. Ah, it's based on the answer 2 model appears to be a 1 piece miled shaft or 1 piece milled head excuse me. 07:40.67 dave_gerhardt Um, oh interesting I got look this up the olsson putter. Ah the answer too was like a oh gee I used to hat Wow this is kind of and this is a nice looking putter putters are so weird. There's are there's all these like super high-end like Niche Niche brands and. 07:50.23 Casey Um, yeah. 07:56.57 Casey Yeah, custom. But yeah, big win for him. Tiger knocking off the rust to sorry salivating. 07:59.25 dave_gerhardt And putting. Um first wins hold on hold on pump the brakes on tiger we're gonna get there. We're gonna get there I got a lot to say about tiger ah, Scottie's first win since the players. Um. 08:12.99 Casey Really. 08:14.90 dave_gerhardt Last year which for most people would not be a big deal would be like wow all this guy does is win but he kind of had you know from from midsummer on he he kind of was the best ball striker in the world but couldn't couldn't win. So um, not an official Pga tour victory but he gets the cash. It's a win. 08:21.92 Casey Yeah, yeah. 08:34.11 dave_gerhardt And I saw a lot of complaining on Twitter about this but ah, he gets. It's not an official pj tour victory but he gets owgr points for this which is interesting. 08:40.71 Casey Crazy and the funniest thing I saw weekend and I think it it tells you exactly everything you know about this tournament and I'm sorry to again step into tiger territory. But I saw something the beginning of the week say if Tiger Finishes in last place he still gains like 200 world world ranking points. 08:57.71 dave_gerhardt I Saw that? yeah. 08:59.68 Casey Because he's finishing top 20 or whatever, right? So the tournament is what it is. It's a good kind of ah and entry point after the holidays or excuse me before after Thanksgiving before we kind of get into this January swing where they hit Hawaii and they're often running. It's kind of a nice little. Ah I call it like a all-star game because you get in the top guys and it's it's fun, but not a whole lot of golf on the course. 09:23.71 dave_gerhardt Um, well I just can't I can't wait till we do this pod from like January on because this is all just kind of nonsense stuff right now like we get into an actual season. You know like if you're if you have an and Nba Podcast and you have the the frame of the Nba season. It's much you you and me have started this podcast. We had. We had the Rsm. We had nothing for a week we have the hero. We got the the grand Thornton we got the Pnc and then we're back. So I'm excited to get into the real season and and have this matter a little bit. 09:51.40 Casey Um, yeah, have the golf matter and it's funny and you mention it. But when when did golf become like such a 24 7 3 65 news sportor like we we started doing this a month ago. There's been nothing but news stories really? there's there's been a few golf tournaments and this is. Ah, downtime but golf is kind of dominating the headlines in a lot of ways the last few weeks between the diger Rory virtual league or or the rom stuff or this rollback news. We're going to get to tire coming back like golf has been as prominent as I can ever remember October November december 10:23.55 dave_gerhardt You follow that account nuclear golf on Twitter for whatever reason they are like it's the logo. It's the name. It's the way they tweet with like the emojis. It's like it's always like the most breaking like bombshell. 10:26.97 Casey Yeah. 10:34.49 Casey Um, yeah. 10:39.89 Casey Yeah, yeah. 10:41.99 dave_gerhardt Yeah, it almost feels like 1 of those like political Twitter twitter feeds or they have some like super controversial anyway, I've been trying to engage with all their stuff. So I see it all in my feed now and that that's where I'm getting that's where I'm getting all my news and I I love it. 10:51.62 Casey Yeah, yeah, it would to your point though. It'd be nice to get back to actually caring about what's going on in the course as we kind of got a little bit of this weekend. 11:00.20 dave_gerhardt Yeah, yeah, um, all right? So did you watch just just personally how did you watch any of the golf. 11:06.87 Casey Yeah I definitely I watched more Thursday and Friday I I did Saturday sunday I caught the a little bit of the recap of of the finish yesterday and I also I I gave you dave a free ah bet I said I'll put in a bet for you anyone you want 11:12.72 dave_gerhardt Um, yeah was on it was on during it was on during the day Thursday Friday which was which was nice. Um I watched. 11:24.93 Casey And you picked Lucas Glover so that had me locked in Lucas was the first guy off the tee I think on Thursday I pitched you on the idea of creating ah of ah a Lucas Tracker like a tiger tracker but me just. 11:30.12 dave_gerhardt Um, so dumb so dumb our picks were terrible I had I had um had Victor have one who finished tenth I had I had Lucas Glover who finished 12 and then max finished t 13 like how do you not just pick pick scotty. 11:46.68 Casey Why the first pick but you would would you have taken scottie are you taking Vick for the 3 p no matter what last week don't let the audience hear that Dave they think we're experts. 11:47.52 dave_gerhardt Scotty there you had the first pick but man. Um I don't do I don't know I don't know what I'm doing this is like I don't know I have no idea all right? So some some notable things here. Ah just a quick rundown of the of the leaderboard obviously Scotty Scotty with the victory. Um JT.Ah third place finish for jt has kind of been nowhere. Ah, you had this in our notes earlier and I've heard this come up a bunch of times that I want to hear your perspective. There was some there was some story about him and his diet that had that do do you want to share that with us please. 12:17.67 Casey Um, yeah. 12:24.91 Casey Yeah, he was well he was gluten free dairy free I think for a while that was part of that Netflix ah full swing episode they had on him. Um. 12:31.76 dave_gerhardt Did he say why though and as you know obviously you you got some skin in the game. Your your wife is very knowledgeable in this area. Did he say why he just he went to some so doctor to the stars and they said don't eat Dairy. Don't eat gluten and you're going to. Make some putts like I don't understand what was bothering him. 12:48.55 Casey I I think I think this is right? It might be wrong. But I think it just docent with his back. Maybe yeah. 12:55.56 dave_gerhardt Um, ah, can we clip that can we clip that that's the as the whole that is what this podcast is about I think this is right? but it might be wrong. 13:02.74 Casey I think this is right? I think this is right but I think I think back inflammation that kind of stuff I would I would have to guess I mean like you mentioned my wife is ah is a registered Dietician so I hear all this kind of stuff at home. Um, don't always listen to it but I hear it all at home. 13:07.60 dave_gerhardt Okay. 13:20.24 Casey But with inflammation I think maybe that's ah, that's a concern Either way he said I'm done doing it and I love this quote he said if you guys hear of me doing that again. Please tell me to stop which is a hilarious thing to say about if you ever hear me trying to get in shape again. Please tell me. 13:22.86 dave_gerhardt Sure. 13:30.79 dave_gerhardt Well and then and then I saw yeah please tell me to stop. It's so strange. Okay, but it's also so strange because like he he got advice like he went to see someone they said do this thing he said Ma tried it not for me. 13:42.79 Casey Yeah. 13:48.92 dave_gerhardt Like that's just who he seems to be in my head is like he wants to I don't know the guy personally obviously but my my JTMeter as a golfer watching him watching him play golf. Love him, love his game. Can't get enough. 13:49.73 Casey Yeah. 14:05.99 Casey Yeah, yeah, yeah. 14:06.15 dave_gerhardt The more that I hear him talk the less that I find myself liking him which which hurts me a little bit. He won I he I want I feel the same way with him I feel the same way with speed. We're gonna talk about Colin more cow a little bit the more I hear those guys I'm like I think I would hate you if this was in real life. 14:22.69 Casey Yeah I think he's he's in a unique place to just as far as assessing his own game because he grew up his dad is like the pga tour of America coach of the year or something every year so someone who's since he's you know, probably ever held. Ah ah a golf club has been in his own head about. 14:31.40 dave_gerhardt Sure. Okay. 14:39.71 Casey All these things so he's he's kind of like um, it's weird him and speak are similar but speth is way more. Um I don't know what the word it would be in his head. Um and it seems like Jt kind of is a little more bombastic with his kind of approach. But I I like him too I wonder if he has a similar. Ah, trajectory or trajectory trajectory I just made up a word there trajectory make the case Dave what do you would you like trajectory. Um I wonder if his career will have the same kind of trajectory as like a Rory where they come on the scene so hot a lot of a lot of early success. 15:04.37 dave_gerhardt Um I love it. Projectctory yeah, it's hot trademark. 15:12.75 dave_gerhardt In. 15:17.63 Casey Not that he didn't win a major a couple years ago Jt but um, think kind of swing change. They kind of not that Rory ever went rock bottom but Rory went years without being who he's kind of come back to being so I wonder if it's just ah, one of those things where you get on tour with the swing you have. 15:25.55 dave_gerhardt Yeah, yeah. 15:34.85 Casey You kind of hit struggles. You try to fix too many things and then you get to kind of get back to the basics like Rory has the last few years 15:39.99 dave_gerhardt Yeah, and God I mean it just speaks to as much as I don't love him controversial your boy Tiger I'm kidding I Love obviously I Love Tiger I grew up on Tiger but just all these guys when you see something like when you see these. 15:51.34 Casey Course. 15:57.59 dave_gerhardt Ah, Jt clearly in ah elite you know talent in the game of golf for for generations but like they all have ups and downs. It just puts what tiger did for for a decade into just such a lens of like holy shit was he at a different level where like all these guys. 16:06.74 Casey Um, yeah. 16:15.65 dave_gerhardt Rory comes in and out of it a little bit JT comes in and out of it a little bit speed is in and out of it a little bit. Um, kind of what scotty yeah Ricky Scott Scotty's like seems to be an a umm like he's a machine dude like. 16:21.77 Casey Fowler. Yeah. 16:25.95 Casey But I was just going to say like hearing you talk about that and thinking of what scottie's version of that. It's really just been his putting was the last nine months right and it wasn't even he's still the best ball striker in the world. He's still finishing top 5 10 in all these tournaments. It's just the. 16:37.52 dave_gerhardt Yeah. 16:42.81 dave_gerhardt Yeah, like he just showed up and was like me ah people think I haven't been playing great just won the hero. No no big deal. You ever see that video it was like on a tailormade Instagram where he's hitting balls in the range and he's like. 16:44.63 Casey Closing is hard when you're not putting well but that's so impressive What he's been able to do. Yeah, yeah. 16:59.56 dave_gerhardt He he guesses the number like he hits a driver and he's like 3 3 23 and then like they have the track man or whatever. It's like 3 24 it's insane how precise he is with his with his long game. Yeah. 16:59.61 Casey Yeah, yeah. 17:07.38 Casey Um, yeah, especially with a swing to how that could be so consistent when your feet are moving like hummingbirds every time you make contact. It's weird. Yeah I just swing. 17:17.87 dave_gerhardt I mean that's his thing that's his thing remember Mike Michael Red Michael Red the left he he had that wild wild looking jumper he was wet. Okay, so so Jt ah golf is better when Jt's in the mix I'm glad I'm glad to see that. Um. 17:23.96 Casey Um, yeah. 17:28.76 Casey Agreed. 17:32.95 dave_gerhardt Return of will to thrill Zaot Torus didn't go so hot he finished 11 over which I'm not a math guy but he was in last place eleven over over scotty won that's 30 1 31 shot think about that will zaotaurus would would beat me by 50 shot a hundred shots and whatever the number is. 17:34.51 Casey Now. 17:52.34 dave_gerhardt Godti beat him by 31 shots this week him and ah will and Wham Clark were the only guys over par. But how about how about a how about wills four rounds eighty one 68 79 seventy one 81 68 18:06.51 Casey Relatable not not the ones in the low 70 s or sixty s but yeah, I've got that like I said I had the 177 in the same week a few years ago I I kind of feel those woes I I hope that was rust he was kicking off the fact that he could bounce back from those 2 bad rounds with good rounds is is encouraging. But. Not only is he knocking out the rust too. But it seemed like he had a new putter this week too he's definitely got a new swing every time I saw him putting he's like get the the shoulder blades kind of winged back and he's rubbing his spine like that can't be great, but good to see him back out there I just hope. Hope this is just a first step. 18:45.58 dave_gerhardt The problem is if you like if I showed up in April to play with the guys I always play with with the long putter like what would be the reaction to you it be so not appropriate. Um. 18:55.16 Casey Um, it just like yeah they they think you're trolling. 19:01.69 dave_gerhardt But then I did see some clips. It seems like the putter's still an issue but who who knows. 19:04.56 Casey Ah, they the the golf channel did them so dirty I was watching of course the first d time on Thursday was ten thirty so the golf channel's coverage starts at like twelve forty five for some reason because they need 2 hours of pregame for a 20 person field in the Bahamas but they they did this like 10 minute package of his journey back kind of really emotional tugging at the heartstrings and then he's here this week. He's working on a new putter and they just cut to him live on the practice green with like his team around him and he just immediately. It says live you know so it's it's live and he just misses like a two footer just like yanks it. 19:32.95 dave_gerhardt Um. 19:40.56 Casey Like come on guys that didn't need to be live. 19:43.56 dave_gerhardt Like I sent you that I sent you that clip with Scotty Scotty had the puttingty mirror out and he he just like he just hammer pulled a six footer and like that was the only clip they posted ah all right? What else should we talk about from the the hero we gotta talk about the cat. 19:49.81 Casey Yeah, yeah, unreal unreal. 20:00.43 dave_gerhardt I'll let you I'll let you go? What do you want? What's what's your reaction to tiger. 20:03.17 Casey That's back I think what can we say about tiger that hasn't already probably been said he looks great. He's hitting the the shit of the ball which is which is very impressive is swing speed seemed to be up which had been going in the wrong direction last year at Augusta. 20:08.74 dave_gerhardt Sheriff are. 20:20.16 Casey Um, I'll say the the one of the biggest takeaways I had from this and just watching him it was jarring to see him without his caddy which I don't think really affect him but there was this want did you see the shot I think it was Thursday it went viral because he hit like a chip out of the Bush like. 20:38.72 dave_gerhardt Yeah. 20:39.10 Casey Eighteen inches did you see that he kind of just like tried to like decelerate it on it I just happened to catch that live because I saw him hit the the tsh shot and he had I forget who was on the back as like his friend or someone who works for his his his company who apparently is a good golffriend has been kind of a. Um, someone. He's kind of leaned on in the past for assessing his swing but not a coach and by any means but just watching tyre come up to this situation where he was in this Bush. He didn't know which way to go. He kind of to play backwards or. Was he going to go to try to advance it or was he what were his options for taking a drop or unplayable and the cady was just staying there looking and I'd never not that tiger ever really heavily relies on his his caddies like Steve Williams or Jolokava like that he calls him in Usually you you see him but just seeing. Him kind of be on his own there and he he wasn't manic but he was just going through this like you get to find the clip but it was so interesting watching him. He didn't know what to do and then he hits this eighteen inch shot and then he's like I'm just going backwards to the fairway and. 21:44.74 dave_gerhardt So tigers tiger's caddy this weekend. This weekend was his longtime friend in confidant Rob Mcnamara ah and as we've talked about ah Joe Lakava the the you know the guy from the rider cup with the hat. He took the bag of ah my boy project Pat Pat Patrick Cantlay 22:01.90 Casey Yep. 22:02.46 dave_gerhardt And it makes sense. Why obviously Tiger Tiger is tiger but um, he's this this thing that I'm reading from golf digest said like Tiger's going to play four five times in a year. So not not the greatest caddying gig but this guy doesn't seem. It's kind of kind of just seems like someone's Tiger Tiger's comfortable with his friend his business partner. 22:19.58 Casey Um, she's his friend. 22:20.84 dave_gerhardt Not someone who's going to hop in and be like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa! You can't hit the five here the winds 20 off the right? but but but yeah. 22:23.34 Casey No, so it was just so so interesting to see I've never again, not that tiger is the biggest talker like speeding Greller on the course but just to watch him the whole situation of coming up find the ball go like the gather guy was like kind of just sat it out. He was like. 22:34.84 dave_gerhardt Um, ah sure. 22:43.22 Casey What am I going to tell Tiger what to do here just kind of gave him the like love that go ahead. Um. 22:44.91 dave_gerhardt Yeah, well I also I also wonder this is what's fat like I wonder what the level of like even going into this week like do you think Tiger was like yo just just carry my bag like be there for me to like make a joke with like I don't I don't need you like I'm I don't I'm not expecting you to give me you know. 22:59.83 Casey Um, yeah. 23:03.25 dave_gerhardt More information than I can't figure out on my own. 23:05.67 Casey And how but moving forward what what was going to use moving forward. We talked about this before someone did ask him about Charlie like we brought up a few weeks ago but he said there's no way he can play hookie from school that often because he's got a bright academic future ahead of him. But um, he I think. 23:14.73 dave_gerhardt That would be sick. 23:20.57 Casey Yeah, we'll be. We'll have to see who he who he takes is definitely not going to be this guy I can tell you because I don't think he really helped him that much but I. 23:25.92 dave_gerhardt Do you know when we're going to see where we're going to see him again or are ah him and Charlie playing in the p n the pnc is two weeks from now isn't it and they played in it last year okay 23:30.26 Casey Yeah I think they are playing. They're definitely playing in that. Ah, but again, that's kind of if if the if the hero was kind of a rinky ding tournament wait till you see the father son challenge. Ah, but it'll be interesting to see him again hitting shots. But I don't think as far as like a pga tour event. You'd think Augusta but I'd have to think that maybe he gets in 1 before Dan Hicks said something really interesting I hadn't thought about the the lead broadcaster on Nbc yesterday as tiger finished up, he's saying he's such a He's such a stubborn guy and only really likes to play the. Courses that he's historically played well but that could have been you know fifteen years ago when he had a different body and um, it's a little bit different hacking out of the rough at tory pines than it was when he was in his thirty s but he he then hix made the point I wonder if we see him at a few more. Maybe. 24:09.98 dave_gerhardt Yeah. 24:26.55 Casey New tour stops along the way that we wouldn't have seen him in the past that are just more are flatter courses ones that he can get through because the swing there. The golf game seems fine. It's really the endurance and the recovery day to day from the walking so August is you know like climbing evers. But. 24:39.92 dave_gerhardt Um, yeah. 24:45.96 Casey If he can play the valero Texas open before which is pretty flat something like that I wonder made me think like maybe we'll start seeing him a few places tuneup places and that are more conducive to his body. 24:57.44 dave_gerhardt Yeah I think they were talking about this on the on the shotgun start but they were saying like tiger he keeps going back to all these courses where he's had a lot of success in 1 but that's a different though those are harder walks. So I think there you know can you can you go find those? um. 25:09.78 Casey Um, yeah. 25:12.77 dave_gerhardt This guy ah Lou stagner on on Twitter tweet. He's a he posts all this golf stat stuff with ah arcos golf I follow him on Twitter don't know why he follows me on Twitter but shoutout to you Lou if you want to come on the pod. Um. 25:22.25 Casey Shut up. 25:26.42 dave_gerhardt Ah, so so you know I I went from I went from marketing. Ah, you know Saas Technology Tech Company Dave on Twitter to I'm I'm slowly morphing into golf golf guy Twitter ah Lou posted this picture of tiger 2019 ah, on the left. He looks like a regular tiger and then they posted a picture from this week and he's just got veins popping out his arms are massive his his upper body's huge and just I'm starting to become like you be a reply guy on Twitter and I just posted like when when you can't do leg day anymore and. This this is this is how I'm gonna we're gonna build up this pod just in the comments that tweet at 14 just commenting on this guy's tweet about tiger I wrote when you can't do leg night leg day anymore 14000 views on Tiger's tweet but on that tweet about tiger but he's he's clearly taking something this guy has been. Since the early days experimenting with you know all these different you know blood the pla whatever it is he he's taking something he is humungous with his upper body I can't articulate why we'll have I have to have ceno e to talk about him sometime and talk about the swing but his swing looks. Really different and his upper body is huge and just kind of covers the ball more like it looks like it's Tiger's body but his my brain is it's used to seeing that old swing and it just something looks different but I'm glad to see him him hitting the ball. Well golf is better when tigers playing I just think we got to be. 26:48.44 dave_gerhardt People got to be realistic like this guy's 47 he's had a hundred different surgeries like I know we're all cheap which is what what's the trap. 26:53.59 Casey That's the trap Dave you're falling into the trap. This is the trap how many times have you probably said though in your in your life like this is like he's had a great run but like this is starting you you think you said that before the masters or after the Thanksgiving massacre with Elan ten years ago 27:11.48 dave_gerhardt Um, no I probably I know I know. 27:11.56 Casey I I've just had a point I don't I don't count of mind on anything and golf is such a variant sport that you just need one week to put it together. He's hitting the ball way past everyone still so we know every week in the tour anyone can win because it can just click I wouldn't it would not put it past I wouldn't put it past him to win. 27:27.46 dave_gerhardt Yep. 27:31.90 Casey 2 or 3 more times on tour before the end of his career that might not be a hot take but it could. But if you're only playing 4 or 5 times a year it it might be but it wouldn't surprise me to see him win or being contention again because I just especially a place like ah Augusta where. 27:33.54 dave_gerhardt Okay, that's good put that. 27:49.50 Casey We know age and and strength really aren't always the determining factor like anyone can kind of figure it out there. Bernhart Langer's every three or four years is kind of in the contention there. Um obviously Tiger Jack and 86 ah it wouldn't surprise me to see him. 27:55.68 dave_gerhardt Sure. 28:06.86 dave_gerhardt Bernhard Langer 28:08.35 Casey Even being competitive this ah this Ah april. 28:12.12 dave_gerhardt I Need some data I need some data golf out of you on on on on Tiger specifically on the on the distance piece of this I'm just curious to know what I don't want ah up dude you can he can who knows what would be in that guy's pee. First of all. 28:19.78 Casey It sounds like you want a p test. 28:29.24 dave_gerhardt But distance wise I mean hey if he can hit it. The thing that actually got me and I'm I'm not just trying to shit on Tiger Obviously his short game is so good and it's so fun to watch you see he he hit this like insane shortsighted Bunker shot where he just like hit it into the into the fringe and it just rolled Out. He's so crafty with that type of stuff his hands are amazing I will we'll get to the rollback stuff but this is this is that stuff is so fun to watch the little the little sneaky nippy little shots around the greens. Um I Miss that I like I enjoy seeing seeing Tiger so fine there you go, you can have it. He did. 28:57.18 Casey Yeah, same good to have him back. 29:05.16 dave_gerhardt He did. He did finish 20 shots back and I'm so sick of the thing. The thing that's ruining tiger for me is is golf Twitter and Golf Instagram and zyar golf and all that stuff I saw this one guy his why this is all probably fake stuff anyway. But. Ands in the his wife's going into labor in the hospital. He's got the ipad up and he's got tiger in Sunday ru like get a fucking life get a life tiger's twenty shots back on Sunday just because you' got a red shirt on like you're in the hospital. Your wife is about to give birth. He's twenty shots back. What are you trying to relive like what are what are we doing here. Please. Don't this is what has ruined tiger for me, it's not you. It's not tiger I love him. It's it's this type of content online. Um I don't need it next. 29:48.60 Casey I'm 100% with you Dave and I say that even though a couple months ago I posted a photo of me when my wife was getting her epidural holding up an ipad watching a celtic sacramento king's game in the hospital so where where were you then and for me. 30:00.46 dave_gerhardt That's but that's that's on brand for you. That's who that is but the the Tiger the tiger we get it. We get it. Ah. 30:06.36 Casey Ah, oh if it was April Tiger would have been on that ipad Dave but thank you for for thinking. That's acceptable. 30:11.55 dave_gerhardt Ah, all right good. All right, Let's ah, let's let's let's let's be done with this hero thing. Oh let's talk about um, call more cowwa cheating story is is a story or non story. All right. 30:19.30 Casey Sure you tell me explain to me what happened I I followed on the fringe this weekend I saw his press conference but you tell me. 30:29.13 dave_gerhardt So yeah, we sent this. We sent this to each other. Ah, there was it says um column work this is from New Nuclear Golf my favorite Twitter account now Kalamoreka was caddy so he was assessed a twos strokeke penalty at some point. Um and after the round it was from the round for after the round Kala morere I was caddy. Use a device in the practice screen to calculate slope which is not illegal but he then added that information to his handwritten notes in the yardage book which is a breach of the rules and I guess what happened was either after the round or but yeah, at some point between the the next day Matt Fitzpatrick who was his playing partner. You know, brated him out. Whatever you want to call that to tour officials. He got a two-s stroke penalty apparently he flipped out about it understandably. So if you know you you think you post 1 ne score and someone comes in and calls you on something super petty. But um, this was I don't fully understand this so there are rules. Ah there apparently. So all the caddies you know you you have some type of book you have a a yardage book right? and you you can make notes in it. But apparently there are limits as to what you can. You know what you can write in there and what you can use on the golf course. The thing I didn't understand so so the the black and white of this is. There's a rule he broke the rule. 31:27.79 Casey Right. 31:43.94 dave_gerhardt He got a 2 stroke penalty and end of story that is what it is this is golf right? There's lots of finicky little shit like that that is what it is right? The thing that I didn't understand though is like this the caddy used a level on the putting green and then somehow they used that information on the fourth hole like that's the part. 31:46.52 Casey Right. 31:54.46 Casey Right. 32:01.53 Casey Um, that's what I don't understand. 32:02.97 dave_gerhardt That I didn't understand and so I said like how how does knowing the slope on the practice green help with the slope on the on the fourth green I don't understand that part. So if you do like tell us email us long game pot at Gmail.com and and we'd be happy to to hear about that. What I 2 things number 1 morawa just overall has has decayed in my interest over time when he he won the 2020 Pga the 2021 us open. Loved this guy. He's kind of little he smashed his ball. He's ah he's a trackman you know, perfect on the track man they call they call him a zeroed out guy. He's just perfect numbers. Ah, he's young. He's new. He's exciting the more that I start to see this guy and peel away his personality especially watching the the full swing thing last year become he I'm starting to put him in that Jt bucket of like kind of got a little ah little personality. That's not really really for me the thing that I didn't like is ah. All these bullies on Twitter and Instagram with going after my guy Matt Fitzpatrick like he didn't do anything wrong. This is golf. He's on the fucking Pga tour. There are guys that I play with on a Saturday morning or a Tuesday afternoon in a in a men's league in the third flight at a local golf course that will call you for something. 33:02.00 Casey No hilarious. 33:17.31 dave_gerhardt Way less petty or way more petty than that. So don't go after Matt's fit Matt Fitzpatrick this is this is golf right? It's a rule he violated it somebody. You know he's going to say something so I'm not I'm not here for the Matt Fitzpatrick slander that's what I wanted to come on and say today. 33:30.36 Casey Now I'm with you I like fits I do have to say hilarious to call this on I assume he'd call it anywhere hilarious to call it in the Bahamas at the Tiger Invitational vacation classic hilarious. The third round hilarious to call that. 33:44.10 dave_gerhardt Um, right like like just let it go right? it. 33:48.99 Casey Ah, he can't be a popular guy right on tour and I think that's kind of his thing. He's kind of a crumudgeon fits I Love it. Um, but hilarious but I will say if there's someone who knows the rules about what you can and can't write in your notebook. It's fits right? He's kept every yardage book of his entire life. 34:05.22 dave_gerhardt Um, yeah, that's insane. Yeah I have yeah. 34:06.23 Casey Ever seen that the clip where he has like every single one he's ever had So that guy definitely knows knows the rules but I don't have a problem with it if you if you break the rules you you get to play the right way more Cara you seem to have some kind of a excuse That. An official at a different tournament held had told him it was okay or they talked to other other people about doing it so they seem confused but it's just seemed though the thing I can't get past it with this thing is that it was the Hero World challenge I don't I can't get past him reporting it at this 20 person field. Ah. 34:33.61 dave_gerhardt Right. 34:41.91 Casey And I can't get past Moa and his caddy trying to like gain this much of an advantage on these green. It doesn't make sense to me it it. It seems like it couldn't have been really malicious because the stakes were so low, but who knows. 34:58.81 dave_gerhardt All right? So Moreau insisted. He had no issue with Fitzpatrick but this is from ah the guardian but seemed unclear about the precise nature of the rule and unhappy about the way the matter was handled. We made the mistake he said from our understanding. Oh this makes more sense now from our understanding it was. It's fine to use a level It's fine to use a level on the practice green and see how puts break and write that down. But obviously it's not okay so they learned something about the break. He used that note on the fourth green. Um I know. Ah this is great. 35:23.50 Casey Um, this is a resort golf course. What are we doing. 35:31.39 dave_gerhardt And then and then this is great mo ka was so mad because the the head rules official on tour I guess he said ah they needed to have a meeting with him in the lock room and this is he said this is Stephen Stephen Cox I guess is the guy's name I was a little mad at Stephen he told us to meet him in the locker room this is Morkawa speaking I was waiting in there for around 5 minutes and he didn't show up. 35:37.30 Casey Yes I Love this. 35:44.34 Casey Yes. 35:49.39 dave_gerhardt And this is midway through my warmup if you're going to tell me some news I think you should show up on time so to your point these guys are in the Bahamas in like a relatively. You know all-star game level of event. the the principal says Colin I need to see you like interrupt your warm up because I need to see you in the lock room and this guy. 35:51.79 Casey Yep. 36:04.87 dave_gerhardt Big leagues I mean doesn't show up for 5 minutes I love that 36:07.46 Casey Um, I was going to say this this is when you know you're guilty is when you're like or when you when you know you're lying when you're saying like I'm not mad about it. I'm okay, but then you spend your focus on like well then the guy told me to meet in the locker room and he wasn't there for 5 minutes like okay, you're just channeling your frustration towards that guy. Sorry you had that issue finding him but that's not a good look for It's not very relatable to the people you fucked up. 36:23.78 dave_gerhardt yeah yeah I guess the more we talk about this the the actual real interesting detail is like I want to know how how and when did Fitzpatrick like find this and how does it get reported. 36:37.97 Casey Well, he see he ah before that that clip or wherever we were reading that I saw ah a longer clip of that and he said that the caddie was informed in the morning but they were not sure what they were going to do and he didn't tell mor ka on purpose because he didn't want to disrupt his warm up. And then like 45 minutes before his round that caddie got another tech saying we need to meet and that's when he told him so Morco probably got a lot of that thrown on him at once whereas the caddie knew for a little bit earlier in the morning but still interesting sequence. But. 37:09.54 dave_gerhardt I wish the penalties were more like in in ah in an event like this. It's like all right great. You got to play today's round with no gap wedge. 37:14.48 Casey Yeah, lose a club lose a club yeah or road rolled backball will we'll punish you that way now. Yeah. 37:22.24 dave_gerhardt All right? but ah fits is not a snitch so lay. Ah, lay off him. Um, all right? Let's let's move on the hero is done. Um I did watch a bunch of it now these not a snitch This is a game of integrity. 37:29.12 Casey Well to be clear. He is a snitch but that's okay, you can't say he's not a snitch if he snitched on him What what would you say he did Then what would you say he did I'm not saying it was the wrong move I'm I'm just saying what would you call that move. That's not a switch. 37:38.59 dave_gerhardt I Don't know the circumstances. Ah golf is a golf is a gentleman's game and and um he saw a violation and he snitched all right? So this week. Ah. 37:49.11 Casey There you go. We got there. 37:56.50 dave_gerhardt This week is the Grant Thornton Invitational we're going to get to the guests our sponsor challenge I did not look it up I do know that Grant Thornton is purple um the grant thorn of invitational is a mixed team challenge. Ah that that brand new. 37:57.22 Casey Me Bob. 38:07.80 Casey Brand new. 38:11.81 dave_gerhardt See 16 lpga players and 16 pga tour players competing together in a unique co-sanctioned tournament for equal prize money. The 32 player event is held at Tibaron Golf Club and the Ritz Carlton Naples dude I got it. We got to come back as professional god to to you know this weekend. You're in this time of year to be on tour. Oh my god they're in the Bahamas at this Albany resort then they're down at the Ritz Carlton in Naples playing this you know this this little slap it around with with a lpga tour player. How how fun how fun is that? um. Overall, what's your we got the hero. We got this. We got the Pnc. Where would you stack rank them of what what are you? most interesting is this interesting to you or not. 38:55.70 Casey I think it's super interesting. We there was a headline there were headlines what 2 three weeks ago with was it Lexixi Thomas that played in ah in a pj tour event or she she hadn't what did I say Thomas sorry well. 39:04.95 dave_gerhardt Dude get dude have some fucking have some respect. It's Lexixi Thompson Lexixi thomas unbelievable men Lexie Thompson yeah 39:12.26 Casey We'll we'll pick that one I again lexixi tom I've already forgot lexi Thomas Lexe Thompson you know I'm going to pick her too. Um, but I think it's cool when there's that kind of crossover but it's it's really cool that they get to compete together and I feel like we've been hearing about this for like a year because I think like fouller and whoever he's playing with have been doing commercials. 39:30.41 dave_gerhardt Yeah. 39:30.78 Casey Promoting it some other people but I'm I'm interested I I think this is kind of a little bit like the live thing where it's that's try some new formats and team-based stuff I know it's it's not the same thing but I think it's interesting to see just what that looks like on Tv and the fact that it's kind of mixed pairings different format every day. Um, equal purse for for both ladies and and men which is really cool. So I'm excited I think I think it'll be really cool to watch especially this time of year when it's usually not exciting golf. So I'm I'm up for this, you. 39:53.53 dave_gerhardt Yeah. 40:02.28 dave_gerhardt yeah yeah I see I like um god this is going to sound like a not not a live I love I love the 2 2 person team golf like you know we love. We love the rider cup. We love the president's cup. 40:11.35 Casey Um, yeah. 40:16.72 dave_gerhardt Um I think mixing I just I love golf in all forms and so you got men's golf. You got women's golf women's golf is something that like I don't ever seek it out. But if I'm just like messing around on Tv or on Youtube like um maybe a year or so ago the guys that know laying up they do ah they make these amazing video. They do this amazing video content. They did like a. a week in the life of Stanford Stanford women's golf it was so good. It was like in a hour they did it. It was so good and I think that um that watching watching um women's golf is super interesting to me because the. 40:38.29 Casey No wow. 40:54.12 dave_gerhardt They often have such better te that the tempo is everything feels so much smoother they have to hit much more shots than you see on the pj tour where these guys just hit driver Wedge Driver Wedge Driver wedge. So um, maybe as I can talk myself into this ah a little bit more. 41:05.66 Casey Yeah soli cup is like 1 of the best things to watch in golf period men or women. that's that's awesome so I'm with you. This will be this will be really cool to watch well we'll have to change that next time Dave but you'll correct me on and on the. 41:11.38 dave_gerhardt Yeah, yeah, never never seen it never seen a hole I guess. 41:24.40 Casey Pronunciations of the name. Please I support it. Okay. 41:27.34 dave_gerhardt Ah, all right? all right? Let's do the title sponsor challenge before we get in. We're gonna do ah we're gonna do a draft for this week so because there's there's no, ah. 41:34.50 Casey Yeah, so so I'm not sure how even scoring works for this I know this 3 different formats. Ah, they're going to play every day but I'm not sure exactly how they're going to get to a final scoreboard. Is there match play one day too I'm ah I'm not sure so we're gonna have to figure out how we actually rank this but there is not. 41:37.92 dave_gerhardt Yeah. 41:49.82 dave_gerhardt Well, there's got to be a winner. There's got to be a leaderboard right? There's there's some type a winner. 41:51.56 Casey This is not going to be right? But if there's I guess there's a money list too. I don't know why it's not part of the grinders tour. It's not part of and not an option on our on our website. But so we're going to do our own kind of side bed here Friday as a scramble. 42:01.80 dave_gerhardt Here we go Friday Friday Friday is a scramble so each Friday is scramble. Each player hits a tsh shot and then the team selects the ball to be used for the next stroke that's kind of fun Saturday is foursomes alternate shot and then Sunday is modified modified four ball. 42:18.70 Casey Okay, so there's not match play so will just be a there will be a ah usually you see you know alternate chat or whatever in rider cup. It's all a match play but well this would be fun. Um, yeah, so we're gonna It's not going to be part of the grinders tour ah leaderboard which year. 42:19.77 dave_gerhardt Yeah, yeah. 42:33.00 Casey Woefully behind right now I think you're a million and half behind but we'll have to figure out a different side bet for this. But yeah, this will be this will be a fun challenge. So I'm going to give you oh we. We're doing the the sponsor challenge first. Okay, so last week not so not so hot with the hero. 42:33.72 dave_gerhardt Cross. 42:42.40 dave_gerhardt Yes, by the way by the way remember how we were like I didn't know what the hero did like and you're like well day and then you said on the Pi was this and you said well if you've you know I've I've watched this I've watched this event before they have giant motorcycles on every T within. 42:49.63 Casey Um, yeah. 42:55.96 Casey Um, right. 43:01.95 dave_gerhardt Within 30 that I watched one hole and there was I was like oh yeah, they this this is I'm a moron pretty much pretty much. 43:06.20 Casey Tiger hit a wedge and then hopped on the back of a motorcycle and drove up to the grin and I love I forget his name but the the guy that is the head of hero. That's just if you Google this guy's name in tiger woods there's 400 shots of them just standing are. Posing on different motorcycles and scooters. It's hilarious. Um, but yeah, so what? do you think? Grant Thornton does 43:32.15 dave_gerhardt Ah, let's see sorry I'm trying to find this Ceo of hero as ideas I think Grant Thornton is a insurance company I mean wow all life home auto. 43:41.27 Casey Um, go on what kind of insurance. 43:48.17 Casey Nope incorrect I just wanted to see how far you could go with that so Grant Thornton provides is consulting firm offering accounting and business advisory services covering covering areas such as audit taxes corporate finance information technology litigation strategy and more. 43:49.67 dave_gerhardt Like. 44:00.97 dave_gerhardt Ah, interesting. Okay so I'm looking at grandor so they are price water. All these companies do the same thing pricewaterhouse Coopers Kpmg Mckinsey Ernst Young the Challenger and they're the Challenger Brand here. Ah. 44:04.37 Casey So. 44:13.10 Casey They're like they're not the top. They're not the big 4 they're like in the big 6 I think I read there you go. 44:20.64 dave_gerhardt I hadn't I thought this tournament existed before because I do feel like I would always see maybe Ricky maybe Ricky is one of their guys or something they would. They had so many fucking commercials I've seen on Pga tour events in the past. That's how I knew them the purple. 44:28.00 Casey Yep, yes. Yeah, so I think they're they've moved on to the tour sponsoring an event So Perfect. So I think you're all for 3 on this so we get to get Better. We get. 44:36.21 dave_gerhardt Right? great. So if I never if I ever need an audit for exit 5 I'm going to turn to grand Thornton Grant Thornton it's great that's great. 44:47.40 Casey Yeah grant thorn not not an easy one. It sounds like a 3 and d guy for the celtics but doesn't he in like in like 2013 yeah we got him in the Kg trade. 44:54.80 dave_gerhardt Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, there's your clip. There's your clip he he was in like the mark the yeah was it was it a Mark Blount era yeah right 45:05.11 Casey Yeah, or sure. Yeah, um, all right, you want to do I'm going to give you the first pick this week because you gave me first pick last week and I got scottie. So. 45:12.86 dave_gerhardt Yes, hell yeah, all right? great. Um for the well with with the first pick. Um and this is only to piss you off I'm taking Megan Kang and Denny Mccarthy 45:25.24 Casey How well I made the mistake of telling you not to take her last week so that's on me. But yeah Boston Golf Club Zone shut up Boston Golf Club Meghan King First ah tournament win a few weeks ago. So that's your first pick. 45:33.69 dave_gerhardt All right Um wait what? What's her what's her story actually why does she play out of ah that's actually kind of a big deal. there's ah there's ah a and she she's obviously got to be 1 of the top players on the lpj tour if she's playing this event she she does she live in Boston area. 45:50.53 Casey I think she's from Brockton I think her parents are from Vietnam initially moved. Heres a great story I encourage people to look it up but she I think she just trains out of bgc I'm not totally sure why? Ah but she said along. Journey but she won her first event this year she made the si line cup I think for the second time seems to be coming into her own is is one of the big personalities on on tour. Ah she was always featured. She's smiling and was one of the top personalities on the on the us team. So. 46:19.18 dave_gerhardt Um, ah she's from Brockton ah, she qualified for the 2012 US women's open at the age of 14 that is insane. 46:24.28 Casey Yeah, crazy and she she has a bgc bag. So always fun when I see that pop up on the on the Tv. 46:31.81 dave_gerhardt I mean it's a great you got the hat you got the hat on today I'm sorry I'm sorry to do that to you. But um I got look dude I'm $2000000 behind like I got to make I got to make some moves here if she plays you know and and Denny Denny missed you. You know what do they say? he's the best. 46:34.86 Casey No words. 46:44.47 dave_gerhardt Best putter on planet earth so I'm I'm going I'm going to rock with Meghan Kang and Denny Mccarthy who do you? you're you're up next. 46:49.90 Casey That's a good that's going to be ah a hell of a one two punch okay I'm going to ah take Tony fiow and Kelly Norda they're gonna be my first pick and I got to write this stuff down I mispronounce that sorry Dave. 46:58.80 dave_gerhardt Hold on hold on hold on. Did you hear a clown Kelly Norda I don't even see fee now on my page. Oh yeah, there he is Tony Nelly's got the best swing in the game. So I'm a. 47:12.53 Casey If you weren't so focused on stealing my pick you maybe would want to seen him. 47:17.15 dave_gerhardt Kelly Norda I know she she has they they always show her swing on Instagram she's fantastic. All right? Tony Tony's been playing well I love tony he makes a good move on the ball I was worried about you taking this team. This team is so obviously clearly going to win. This week I'm surprised they didn't go furt. Well I guess I had the first pick and I wanted to spite you and pick Megan um I got a sahi tagala and Rose saying that is a gangster squad right? there. 47:44.49 Casey Ah, you said you were surprised I didn't pick them what you didn't know is I did just pick them because I get 2 picks in a row. So thank you for the suggestion Dave so give me that group again I want to make sure I got that right? It's it's the gala. Awesome. 47:49.71 dave_gerhardt Um, fuck all right? Ah, that's sctheythe the Gala and Rose Zang Rose Rose is actually better than Tiger F why dammit I don't even have anybody that I want to root. 48:01.30 Casey Yeah, no, she's great. She's great. Go ahead pick to you. You want me to pick for you here. You want to pick for yourself. 48:07.70 dave_gerhardt I don't even have all right I'm I I'm gonna go to I'm I'm gonna go with Ricky Ricky and Lexixi sorry. 48:12.00 Casey I like it and you get 1 more. 48:17.97 dave_gerhardt Um I got it dude just because you don't hit on just because you don't hit on one. You got to stick to your guns I have a feeling that my guy Lucas the flushher is going to have a comeback week so Lucas is in the field I'm picking him I got Lucas and Leona Mcguire 48:33.90 Casey I love that I love that so I'm down to two here I'm a big top Tom Hogie fan are you you Tom Hog fan there's a great clip years ago of his friend watched him. 48:41.46 dave_gerhardt Yeah, I'm not now now who could who could be a fan. Yeah. 48:49.21 Casey When the Valero out opened before the week before the masters and he got into it and just this video of this guy yelling at his screen like Dom's going to the got stuff. So I've loved him since then yeah and he's playing with Shaen Knight who I think is related to tiger woods but I'm actually. 48:57.24 dave_gerhardt Um, oh I did see that yeah like his buddy or something like that. Yeah, absolutely absolutely not I was just gonna I just looked that up. She's she's not the thing of Cheyenne Woods 49:09.39 Casey Shine woods yeah different first same first name. So there's something there but I'm going to go with King Ludwig and Madeline can you give me a pronunciation on the swedish slash name I need a swede for my team there you go. 49:18.00 dave_gerhardt Um, obviously obbert obert oh Madeline ah, what's her name sagstrom yeah there you go congrats that's a good squad. 49:26.41 Casey That's my pick. 49:28.29 dave_gerhardt Ah, no, this is Cheyenne Aaron Knight she's born 9097 she's american professional golfer she played college golf at the University Of Alabama three-time all-american Twenty Seventeen scc player of the year cool. Yep same name same letters all right. 49:37.34 Casey got it? tiger woods niece got it okay so those are our picks for the week 49:45.95 dave_gerhardt I'm invested in this and we also have you know each week we do title sponsor challenge I have the guest the title sponsor but we also like to um, you know take you we're we're both foodies here and we like to take you in and out of the restaurants on tour. So first of all, there are two Ritz I don't know if you knew this case there's 2 Ritz carltons in Naples. Um, okay. 50:01.89 Casey I didn't. 50:05.65 dave_gerhardt This is the Tiberin One tiuron That's where this is ah and um, this week I would just look if you're going to be there I would just recommend eating on site. There is a great place right? there at the hotel. It's called Ria Go hit Ria for lunch. Okay, here's what it here's what it. 50:07.90 Casey Sure. 50:17.67 Casey Who. 50:23.37 dave_gerhardt Here's what you got this Naples Florida restaurant features fresh homemade dishes and drinks inspired by a variety of latin american traditions and techniques in an elegant yet refined setting with outdoor seating you and me we both have little kids outdoor seating. Fantastic. We can bring the kids they got your salads. 50:34.38 Casey Important. 50:38.49 dave_gerhardt They got your mans they got burgers and sandwiches they got tacos I would go hit the barbacoa tacos. The kids could get the cheese casadia and call it a day so this week we're at Ria for lunch at the Ritz-carlton in Naples. Um, we've been getting emails. We're going to get to one later week you have a listener review of the davis love third grill. So if you've been to the ah if you've been to Ria for lunch in Naples so feel free to to shoot us an email with yeah how right right. 50:59.28 Casey People love the guest reviews they really, they really like to hear where they should eat based on absolutely no information. So if you do end up heading to Ria this weekend write us and always as always tell him Dave Gearhart sent you that 25% off your entire bill. 51:17.23 dave_gerhardt Yeah, yeah, and you know the prices on that the prices actually look pretty reasonable. So this is not this is not Albany in the in the bahamas all right here we go case, it's rollback time that's is this is our story for the week I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the floor here. 51:18.50 Casey Right? Awesome! Awesome! Great! You ready. 51:34.51 Casey Really? Well, it's interesting I told you this little bit before we join but with all the rollback discourse going on I found myself becoming more and more anti-rollback just because. Of some of the stuff I see people posting about being pro rollback. Ah, a lot of frustrations from people. But I think my number 1 thing is this this does seem like ah the number one opportunity for anyone who's a good golfer to take shots at mid handicaers I've seen that. 52:12.45 dave_gerhardt Did you steal my notes did you see this is my whole this is gonna be my whole argument. 52:12.97 Casey All over the place like no, but where you oh okay, well you want to go first and then I could I can share if I see one more time so and say um, if a 12 handicap thinks this is going to affect them. It's just unnecessary. Um. But my whole thing is I I'm anti this and not for anything for any personal reason I could give a shit less if I'm ten yards shorter in 7 years whenever this is going to happen. It's not me it to me this is annoying and it's annoying because it just creates another avenue for people to disagree. 52:44.65 dave_gerhardt Oh. 52:52.12 Casey In the golf world which is which the sport when I I feel like 100 years without being controversial and in the last 3 is you can't go a week without people arguing about golf over something like this I think it just in a time where there's so much division in the sport. It's just adding up. It's adding way more Ah arguments. Um I think it opens a door for like a live golf to say like hey come play. Whatever equipment you want here like just further divides the sport it seemed rushed I know they did studies. They clearly weren't ready to announce it when they did they someone leaked it and they. Know how that goes but I'm anti it mostly because of how pro some people are about it. Go ahead. Deb. 53:38.41 dave_gerhardt That's a good take man I was not ready for that. Um I agree with you I agree with you? Yeah, there has been a lot and there's been a lot of nonsense same way that we don't like. 53:42.94 Casey Are good moving on. 53:52.31 dave_gerhardt Like is it interesting that like live golf is a thing and has it made controversy but like would we also like golf better if like literally everyone just played in the same league on the same tour. So I totally agree I know. 54:00.76 Casey Um, right? How about Bryson down Bahamas he can't get a vacation Dave we need to. We're trying to Mend Golf we're not trying to create more division and I think that's all this is doing. 54:08.99 dave_gerhardt I Love Bryson I Love Bryson I Know it's the like the fact that there's no bryson on the on tour just kills me. Um. 54:19.15 Casey I want to hear your opinion on this dave but can you first you may know a little bit more about this. Can you because it's very hard for me to find it. Can you lay out the reasons for this. 54:32.25 dave_gerhardt All right? Well yeah I can try Obviously I'm not I'm far I get my information from people like no laying up and cha and start and they've been talking about this nuclear nuclear golf like red Emoji breaking. Yeah um, so so you know obviously based. 54:37.93 Casey Nuclear golf. 54:45.71 Casey Plutonium signs. Yeah. 54:49.91 dave_gerhardt The golf is the golf ball has gone too has gone too far people fifty years ago or hundred years ago or even twenty years ago weren't hitting weren't hitting the ball of three thirty three 43 50 and I think what has happened so so basically golf has. 54:56.57 Casey No pun intended. 55:09.60 dave_gerhardt All of the governing bodies of golf which I get you which I guess is the the usga and the rna I don't know where the pg I don't know if the pj fits in that but they have decided that the golf ball is people are hitting it too far and that's changed the game and I I feel like that that is a black and white accurate statement right? Which is it's it's a different game. It is. You hit the ball 3 30 like nobody twenty years ago was hitting the ball 3 30 43 maybe there'd be 1 or 2 very long guys on tour. Um, but it's kind of taken away. It's it's changed the guys that know laying up they call it like but bomb and gouge on pj tor which means you just get up there. You smash driver you hit. Wed you smash driver you hit. Hit wedge. Um, even somebody like an amateur player I'm I'm a 2 handicap ah the strength of my game is my distance I hit the ball pretty far relative to other people that I that I play with and I can hit the ball 3 20 and that has become a huge weapon in my game but. I make a lot of mistakes with with ball striking and so because of the ball and the technology I get this humongous driver and a ball that goes really far I don't have to necessarily hit in the I can hit one off the toe and it has no spin and it's going to go 3 20 where somebody like Billy Horshill has talked a lot about like he want they want to place the emphasis on ball striking and. This is kind of you know whether you're using the clubs from today or old school persimmon or whatever like golf should be about hitting and but hitting the ball in the center of the face that is the like repeated activity. So there's been so many things that have contributed to the length of in golf. It's the ball It's also the the club you know the. 56:34.82 Casey M. 56:44.75 dave_gerhardt The club head used to be much smaller. The shafts used to be different, but there's also people are training for golf now right? There is golf specific fitness and there's track man and we you know they have optimized the shit out of what does it take and people are. You know kids are now learning at 1213 fourteen years old how to move their body in an optimal way to hit the golf ball further all this to say like the modernrate you know courses today. They they say they can't you know ah weren't weren't built for this and so they're running out of real estate or they got to make courses longer. There's a whole There's a whole side of this so they want to roll the they want to roll the they've decided that they're not going to change all the clubs. They're not going to change all the golf courses. They've decided the variable that they can control is the golf ball and so they're going to create a new golf ball that is going to spin more. And not go as far. They've tested it in all these different conditions and they're going to say hey here's a new ball and everyone's going to play this and so I think what a couple months ago. The the thinking was that there was going to be this bifurcation of the golf ball which is a ridiculous word I'm a marketing guy I'm a business but. Rule number 1 if you want people to buy into something don't give it a fucking name like bifurcation like give it a simple term I could be walking down the street and talking to my neighbors like what do you think of bifurcation I'm like what and what that meant was like basically the pros would just play with a different ball then then then us regular people. 57:51.78 Casey People just people just went with it too like does everyone know what this mean. 58:08.23 dave_gerhardt Um, which I didn't I wasn't a fan of that either because what's fun to me about golf is like I can't dunk a basketball like Lebron but I can stuff an 8 iron to two feet and feel like I'm on tour for a minute and so I want to play I want to play with the same balls and clubs that they use on tour. So for that part of this argument I'm I'm more in favor of that. 58:20.65 Casey Yeah, yeah. 58:27.61 dave_gerhardt Um, so anyway, they're making a change to the golf ball. That's how they're going to try to get a wrangle on distance in golf. That's the story. This is not going to be. This is not going to be in play for 7 years 58:37.84 Casey Totally I saw that what what I think is 5 years for the pros 7 years for amateurs I saw so I asked you. 58:41.98 dave_gerhardt Yeah, yeah, and so but you you've mentioned a lot you mentioned interesting thing which is like so what is that going. You know what is that going to mean right? We're going to all have you know dozens of like provis that we can't use. Yeah yeah. 58:50.95 Casey Yeah, this is what I mean it's annoying. It's and that's what I mean by. It's annoying like when Keith gets called out of your member guest in 7 years because he finishes around with a 2022 pro v one x right? and he gets called and it maybe it's. Because I've been hammered over the head with this that the 10 handicaer is not going to know a difference about this. So if that's true and then he gets caught with his ball at your member guess he says oh I didn't know it was an old ball it just there's so many little complaints and issues like. We've all we all find golf balls all over golf courses. Someone's going to find 1 in 7 years That's an old one. Someone's going to play it then they're going to get called it just seems like such a hard thing to to enforce or I don't know enforces the right word but I don't know I asked you what. 59:43.52 dave_gerhardt Um, yeah, just from a quality first becoming like a short like ah a control standpoint like how how is that going to be possible to to standardize. 59:46.77 Casey Yeah, by the way if they're going to put if they're going to put all this tech into reverse engineering these balls and and making them go less far and they're putting all this work into that then they can put a Gps chip in there too. So we can find our balls. Okay. If. They're really if we're going to do a whole tech upgrade on this thing. Let's do it all. So if the ball the ball manufacturers really want to advance the technology here by going backwards. But. 01:00:11.49 dave_gerhardt No, they don't you You didn't hear you This is why there's this whole thing about titleless tiless created this thing called a titleless performance institute which is they? yeah so so they they do a lot with swing analysis and body and fitness and movement. You know why it was created right. 01:00:21.36 Casey Um, I've been there right? Ah now make money I'd guess. 01:00:30.20 dave_gerhardt Make money because they found that you know people people want they wanted people to play more golf right? because if you play more golf you're going to lose more golf balls and have to buy more golf balls and so if you can't play golf because you're 50 You know you're 55 years old and you hurt your back. Titleless is going to make less money so they created the T they they created tpi to enhance the performance of golfers make you know make people healthier make them be able to play golf longer. So Now you can lose their proviss until you're 90 So there you go. 01:01:03.98 Casey Well, yeah, I'm with you it just I don't know it's I asked you what the problem was and you gave a lot of good information but I still don't know what the problem is I think you at the end of that you came to the courses are aren't big enough. But what's the like what is the at your local Course. What's the issue there like are you are scoring records being shattered and you guys got to do something about that. Are there houses that are getting hammered because the balls are going to the fair like what is the problem. It's addressing for him for. 01:01:28.37 dave_gerhardt No, there's no issue. Absolutely no issue. No yeah, yeah, no, there's not I'm not sure I'm not I'm not sure either and those those houses there are houses getting hammered but I got to tell you those houses are still going to get hammered. 01:01:43.85 Casey Um, right and I heard I heard the shotgun Star guys talking about like it's good for the average amateur that when they go wayward you know, right? off the T two eighty it's going to go less far like that sorry that's not this is not helping any of that people are going to shake balls out of bounds left or right. 01:02:02.36 dave_gerhardt Well and and the the difference is but supposedly going to be like 5 or ten yard. It's not going to be some some all of a sudden like magical like remote control ball. It's not like the ball is going fifty yards offline and it's all of a sudden going to you know because you chat i. 01:02:02.97 Casey Towards other people forever. That's not going to be. 01:02:17.79 Casey So so but that's my thing. It's like it's hard for me to get behind a movement like this when I don't understand the problem. It's it's addressing I know the what I'm being told but I don't understand the like is it because old. 01:02:19.48 dave_gerhardt It is I'm with you in that like there's a lot of nonsense here that I don't understand. 01:02:34.31 Casey Nice old golf courses that are historic aren't able to be played in the ah the open rotation anymore because the players hit the ball too far. So like we can't play St Andrews anymore or on tour like is is that our. 01:02:49.76 dave_gerhardt Ah, right? Yeah, no, that's and that's an interesting point. That's interesting point and why I get that there's you know, history and nostalgia and everything but like why should we? Why should it be the same as it was one hundred years ago 01:02:50.73 Casey Is this coming all the way down to you and I in the golf course being affected Apparently not at all because of that. 01:03:07.39 dave_gerhardt Like if St Andrews has become irrelevant then. 01:03:07.55 Casey Right? What is what? what is the same right? like that there I understand sports have to evolve but like think of the tiger came on the scene what when you won when you won ah the masters 96 technology exploded then right because Nike got in the game and everyone. 01:03:19.49 dave_gerhardt B I don't know. 01:03:25.36 Casey Once they hit the ball as far as Tiger and you know the long game there became attractive and the technology and the ball is kind of caught up to it but there was that gap when Tiger got on tour right? that between the average player and what tiger was doing that was with the same equipment. So My fear is like. The next guy that comes that has that big of a gap in pushing. The sport forward is it's still going to be recognizable like does that make sense I don't know it I So without understanding who's like why this needs to happen. 01:03:52.33 dave_gerhardt Yeah, yeah. 01:04:01.25 Casey I'm sure there's a lot that they're just not saying I'm sure this comes down to bottom lines too. It's all money so that's why it's hard for me to get behind it and also you know is no one's thinking about about this dave how about, but the kids at the drive chip and putt. You're rolling the ball back on those kids they worked their whole year to get to Augusta and Jimmy. 01:04:05.30 dave_gerhardt Sure yeah. 01:04:19.88 dave_gerhardt Um, well well well Jimmy Jimmy's going to be a sophomore in college by the time this actually this actually gets gets played out. 01:04:21.40 Casey Who hits the ball two hundred and ten yards with a driver now he's going to hit at one ninety Five tv 01:04:30.69 Casey It's shameful Dave it's shameful. 01:04:31.90 dave_gerhardt I'll just read you a quote from a certain ah Mcelroy Rory on on Twitter I don't believe an average golfer giving up 5 to ten yards off the te is going to have materially effect on their score handicap or enjoyment of the game and then there's also there's just so much I don't know I'm not um I've never been good at having very definitive. Takes on things that are kind of wishy-washy like this I could I could be convinced of both sides. Ah, but then there's another comment is I don't believe um then someone says well then you obviously know very little about the struggles of the average golfer. So I don't know um I think you've convinced me that like it's annoying. It's ah it's a weird. Dan on the game of golf and we're going to have to listen to it for however, many many more years until it's real and ah but I would say to your point start stashing those 2023 pro v one x is right now for for remember guests that meant what's going to happen and though like. 01:05:16.18 Casey Let this and be a bull. Yeah is a black market. 01:05:22.91 dave_gerhardt This can be like a black market on on ebay like yeah I just you know I paid two hundred bucks for a old dozen of provis you need some? Yeah all right? They'll be my like dude if I drank a 4 local I'd have a heart attack right now. 01:05:23.80 Casey Totally, it's like the old four lokos that they made illegal right? You know exactly what I'm talking about especially 1 from 2013 01:05:39.67 dave_gerhardt Oh my god sick all right? We got to keep it moving. There's they'll be more. This is not the rollback podcast but you know it's it's a topic and it's it's coming all right? Let's let's flip over ah inner o b ah inner o b this is our version of buyer cell case give me your inner ob b for this week 01:05:52.20 Casey Sure I got a unique one for you this week because it's not kind of the way we usually do it but I'm going to do an interoia buyer sell on a tweet I saw and I want your opinion So this no, it's not but it it could have been. It's from live golf nation. So. 01:06:02.59 dave_gerhardt What is it from Nuclear Golf tam. 01:06:11.33 dave_gerhardt All right? My answers already? yes. 01:06:12.11 Casey Someone felt compelled to so they asked the other day would you rather play 18 at your local muni with Phil Nicholson or around at a augusta national by yourself and my question on this is is this the dumbest question you've ever heard in your life. 01:06:26.97 dave_gerhardt Wait Why is it dumb is the answer so obvious to you. 01:06:32.27 Casey Ah, to me it is and I don't I need to be checked on this but again would you rather play 18 at your local muni with Phil Micholson or around at Augusta National by yourself. 01:06:42.63 dave_gerhardt Oh you're gonna hate me so much I'm gonna play I'm gonna play 18 yes yes and I'm gonna tell you why I love Phil for the same reason I love bryson I want if I could play that guy is the biggest golf nerd on the planet. He's good. He you could learn about. 01:06:44.18 Casey Year There's no chance. No way. 01:07:00.33 dave_gerhardt If you hit this chip off the toe. It's going to spin right? if you hit this thing I want that knowledge I want that knowledge me I couldn't even share that if I could if you said I could play that if I if it was it was my dad your dad you and me playing Augusta we could make a day out of it out there by myself playing Augusta whatever. 01:07:18.49 Casey Whatever. 01:07:20.30 dave_gerhardt Give me Phil give me 18 holes me and Phil at green hill in Worcester give me what's that what's that Linfield give me 8 give me 18 with me and Phil at sagamore you can have augusta I don't even know what that place has been disgusting the way they've treated people for so many generations I don't want a part of it. 01:07:28.45 Casey Sagamore. 01:07:39.36 Casey Yeah, you hate that they let women in now. So um I don't know That's what you said the other day. 01:07:39.52 dave_gerhardt I'm taking eighteen I'm not that's what gary player said right? I I want out'll taking eighteen at the eighteen at the muni by the way I love this I love this for inner o b finding little nuggets like this I'm I'm a fan what your your answers augusta obviously. 01:07:53.42 Casey Yeah, ah yeah us ah my my choices around at at Augusta especially by myself. No by my the the thing is or around it a August and after by yourself like you can't pay to play. 01:07:55.48 dave_gerhardt You're a traditionalist. You take you, you take your hat off and shake hands I get it. It was with condoleezz or rice. Oh especially I forgot especially by yourself right? Great and and because you don't have to play with I'm like. 01:08:11.98 Casey You can't pay to play Augusta but if you could I'd pay more to play like whoever who's ever played that course by themself that would be the most can you a amount? Oh yeah, but imagine just like. 01:08:20.33 dave_gerhardt Awkward Dad friend. 01:08:25.49 Casey You're on one though I go ahead. We'll see ah a c after 18 and you you have that course to yourself that would no no one's ever had that like no one's ever had that. 01:08:30.30 dave_gerhardt You come in after you bring your bags up here and you know guys like how to go out how to go out there today. He's shining your clubs like. 01:08:36.59 Casey The fuck I want to play with Phil Micholson for I know people that have played with Phil Nicholson for like a hole in some kind of charity thing where he plays one hold. Everyone has said he was an asshole and like took money from them. Asshole. 01:08:47.39 dave_gerhardt Ah, great, bring it. 01:08:52.72 Casey I don't care I like it'd be really cool to play with it with a pro and Phil is obviously a legend. But if I can play a gusta national by mice if I can just play a gutin national but if I can play it by myself. Yeah fuck Phil sorry. 01:08:56.53 dave_gerhardt No I won't fill. 01:09:02.59 dave_gerhardt Okay I need your answer to write us long game pod longate pod of gmail.com are you going to play Augusta by yourself. Are you goingnna be? Are you goingnna you gonna roll casey and play augusta by yourself, you'll have the tea time 8 minutes behind him I mean behind you, he'll be behind you or are you going to go play Greenhill with with me and with me and Phil. 01:09:14.12 Casey Um, not wrong with me I'm going solo. 01:09:21.70 dave_gerhardt All right I got I got to inner O B for you this week case. It's it's actually it's not really a buyer sell but I'm kind of you know we're kind of using this as a a bucket we can just put a bunch of random stuff in I Want to know how how do you mark your golf ball. 01:09:33.27 Casey Um, oh this is a great question for me. Ah I've been doing I've I've done so many different things over the years but I've definitely spent way more time thinking about this than any part of improving my game. What I do now and it takes a little bit but I need a yellow sharpie I need a black one and I do a smiley face on it. Do the eyeballs smile and then I color in a circle. Yeah poppy so might my daughter started liking when I was doing because I bring him home just give it to her. But when you're like. 01:09:56.98 dave_gerhardt So you color you color it in I like that I like it. 01:10:09.84 Casey And a pissed off mood and you go find your ball in the woods and you see that somally face just kind of staring at you. It's It's nice. What do you go with here. We go. 01:10:19.89 dave_gerhardt You're gonna hate this so lame just a red just a line just a red line here's why I like it I like and for a while I was playing that um tailormade pix ball. You know what the logos all over it. 01:10:23.25 Casey Just a lot you just a red line I like that. 01:10:34.48 Casey Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:10:36.59 dave_gerhardt Like the icons all over it I like it because I like walking up the fairway and immediately knowing which which ball is yours and so I think the Smiley face is like that. But I like this I like the red line it just it does it does something for me. It works. Yeah I'm. 01:10:43.11 Casey Nope. 01:10:49.26 Casey That's it. So it's just just a red line. Not nothing else anymore else. 01:10:52.37 dave_gerhardt I'm thinking about evolving I'm thinking about evolving it and I play the Pro V one X Obviously um, you know, just that just the red line. Simple simple. 01:10:59.74 Casey I like it. It's funny and now I'm thinking the amount of like drawing I do on mine I've probably been rolling the ball back on myself for about 5 years just because there's half the ball's weight in sharpie ink on it. 01:11:06.88 dave_gerhardt Right? It's like dude you you could hit this like nice high cut if you just didn't draw if you just just didn't put the smiley face on all right. 01:11:14.94 Casey Yeah, and then so then data after the round I write on it if I if I keep the ball the whole day I write same ball all day hall of fame which is rare if you if you ever finished a ball with the same the same round all day. Don't lose it. 01:11:24.19 dave_gerhardt I Love that I Love that. 01:11:33.22 Casey Don't ever put that back in the bag. Don't put it back in the play The next time you put that on the shelf you write same ball hall of fame. You take a picture you tweet it at us. We'll retweet it. 01:11:41.60 dave_gerhardt I love that we'll retweet it. Um I have a question though. Do you, there's no point in your round like if you if you're on the Twelfth hole and you hit the car path and you got a massive scuff on it but you got same ball all day going. You led in that rock. 01:11:51.47 Casey Yeah, this is this is the equivalent of like taking a picture out that's got like 130 pitches with a no hitter through like seven and a half you're like well you don't want to get in the way history here, but performance is going to be an issue. Yeah, if there's one that's starting to look so probably not. 01:12:01.30 dave_gerhardt Ah. 01:12:06.13 dave_gerhardt Ah. 01:12:08.89 dave_gerhardt Yeah. 01:12:09.20 Casey Not way back in the day but I saw I wish I could find it because I haven't the first time I saw it I should have saved it I haven't found it since but there was something on Instagram I saw of people had had tested balls with scuffs on it and legitimately went like 15 to twenty five yards shorter 01:12:20.68 dave_gerhardt Oh yeah yeah I I think this is like a my. It's like a my golf spy thing I've seen it yeah because then I saw you you see that guy Michael Kim on Twitter he's like a pj torp player and he's he's one of you know he did 2 tweets all interesting. He said. 01:12:27.27 Casey Crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. 01:12:36.80 dave_gerhardt He he changes his ball every 3 holes like no matter you know the guys's on tour they change the ball. Oh every couple holes no matter what and wedges wedges cut him up. Also I just feel like the the provy ones especially in the Xes they get they get. You could hit a good shot and they get scuffed so easily now maybe with the rollback ball. They won't um. 01:12:39.26 Casey Right? and wedges. 01:12:48.10 Casey Um, yeah, they do. 01:12:54.75 dave_gerhardt There's also a lot of like funny superstitions I think like guys will they believe that every ball only I Forget who it is but somebody believes ah every ball only has one birdie and so if they make a birdie with that ball. They they take it out of play which I love that like that's pretty gangster for me I I don't have this I don't do same ball all day. But. 01:13:03.97 Casey I Love that? yeah. 01:13:14.56 dave_gerhardt I will if I'm playing in like a turn I've done this if I play in a tournament and I played really good the first day and I have the I have the same ball and I start off my next round and I'm a little bit shaky I will go back and I use a new pro v on the on the new round. I will go back to try to re get get the juice from yesterday's ball I will remarke and I'll try to like channel some of those vibes. So I'm not with you on the whole. But um, I'm going to do it this year though I like that. 01:13:32.80 Casey Yeah, yeah. 01:13:41.65 Casey Well, how but how about this I I play a provy one x but I carry some ah sorry I play provy ones I carry some provy one Xes though because if mid roundund um I like need a switch up I'll just switch it like not even thinking like I need more spin less spin height I'm just like I need to. 01:13:58.50 dave_gerhardt Ah I mean I need a different ball. Ah sick I Love that. 01:13:58.46 Casey I just need to feel a different thing and if it works to and like I'm just playing it's crazy. But I that sometimes it's all you need you just need a a little shakeup right? Do we have time for 1 more all right? ah in or out on this one. This is having your phone status beyond do not disturb twenty four seven 01:14:06.34 dave_gerhardt Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got time for one more. 01:14:17.62 Casey Interact on that I am Dave is on. Do not disturb twenty four seven which begs the question. Why have a phone if I'm never allowed to contact you. 01:14:18.30 dave_gerhardt Are you taking a shot at me here. 01:14:26.35 dave_gerhardt I would prefer I prefer not to if I could have a phone that the only person could if if if it was just like a 1 a 2 wo-way communication device between me and Leah I would prefer that and then everything else could just be in slack. 01:14:40.42 Casey Um, it's called a walkie-taie they have those in Vermont they're called walkie-tackeys. 01:14:45.53 dave_gerhardt A flip phone That's so true. Yeah I don't I Ah literally my whole life is like hey sorry I missed your call. What's up. 01:14:49.56 Casey You just throw it on like do you have to ever reset it or you just put it on and it's good farewell. 01:14:53.35 dave_gerhardt I don't I didn't even know like I don't even it just it just must be on that. It's not on purpose. Well it is on purpose because I wanted no notifications. But it's no, no yeah, it's not something. It's not known. It's but it's like not something that I it's. 01:15:01.58 Casey Have you heard this from anyone else. Okay, so it's just on me then got you. Everyone's like I don't have that when I text Dave like oh Casey just found out. 01:15:12.77 dave_gerhardt No I didn't know that it shows up though for everybody. It's something that I read on life hackcker.org or something just kidding all right? Ah yeah, been on that keep keep that shit on silent. You don't need those distract distractions get some like how else am I going to write 1500 words of prep for this golf podcast on a Monday morning right. 01:15:16.35 Casey Cool all right? So you're you're you're in on that I guess you're in on being on doing a disturb. Okay. 01:15:27.99 Casey Be right here right? It's true. 01:15:31.50 dave_gerhardt You got a focus man. Um, okay, we got some listener emails this week so email us long game pod long game pod at gmail.com we got a DL 3 grill review happy to serve as a sea island ah this is happy to serve as a sea island consult was this was this fellow's name all Mark in Connecticut. 01:15:47.44 Casey Ah, Mark in Connecticut that was just calling radio name marking Connecticut. 01:15:51.50 dave_gerhardt That's right? Ah I have a friend of mine with a burner a burner Twitter account that he calls Boston Mike and he just trolls like sports talk radio boston Mike his name is not Mike and he doesn't even live in Boston anymore anyway, dl that so so Mark from connectic had sent in a davis. Love the third grill review. I'm happy to serve as a c I and consultant I've been going there for 30 some on years families' been member there longer. But I digress this is a very long email. We shout out to you Mark I appreciate the support but he said the davis love grill literally. Nobody's first choice but a great option if you find yourself playing golf away from the actual main clubhouse. At a 5 star resort. So go and check it out. Ah, there's a lot in here. There's a bavarian pretzel the dl 3 burger and my favorite since the mid 90 s is the gold brick Sunday it'll set you back about sixty bucks before alcohol but hey at least you're not hungry anymore and then um, we also got an email from ah Sean. 01:16:39.30 Casey File. 01:16:48.49 dave_gerhardt Shout out to you Sean Sean works at a great company. They make a fine looking set of irons at tacomo golf tacomo golf hey Dave I've been following you on Linkedin for a while and a friend of mine sent me the details on the long game pod through my company I run Pr and community for tacomo golf I'm curious about your goals with the long game pod. 01:16:51.83 Casey I mean. 01:17:06.23 dave_gerhardt The Tacoma Boys will certainly keep an eye on the show's growth case. How would you articulate our goals for the pod. 01:17:14.90 Casey Inform be accurate with information. Always what would you say? timely definitely timely like we never put out a podcast about the the virtual league maybe being delayed and then they cancel it 5 seconds later 01:17:21.86 dave_gerhardt Ah, ily inaccurate. 01:17:27.64 dave_gerhardt What did you call Lexi Lexi to what did you call Lexi Lexixi Thomas all right so um tacomo golf shout out to you guys Mark from Connecticut thanks for the DL three and then ah case you. 01:17:30.24 Casey I just call her lexi Dave that's what I call her. 01:17:39.77 Casey Um, is the rollback even going to matter with those those irons those things look sharp. 01:17:44.90 dave_gerhardt You're goingnna need them? Yeah, you're you're going to need them when the rollback 7 in 7 years or now if they got if they want to sponsor the pod. Obviously I just got all new titleless stuff. But ah, you know I'm I'm a big sponsorship guy. So if you're down to swap me out I'd I'd be open I need to check the spin numbers on trackman first. But um. Case you got a listener text. Ah can you can you tell me you haven't told me about it yet. 01:18:03.86 Casey I did I got one from my dad this weekend and I think you like this one he said um, I'm going to paraphrase it here. But basically he just wanted to complain. He said he's not he's not a he's not a fan of those playing through commercials. So I don't know if you've ever heard anyone complain about that before Dave. it' a hot take but my dad doesn't like the playing through commercials. He says he listens I don't think he does and I don't think he's lying I think he watches the clips and he's like I listen to the podcast I'm like oh you did he listen to the whole thing he said? Yeah, the whole thing I said the clip he goes. Yeah I said the podcast he said? Yeah, so. 01:18:21.78 dave_gerhardt All that all ah, all that very did has your dad has your dad listened in the podcast or did he. 01:18:32.75 dave_gerhardt Got it. So The listener text was not like hey I listened to this episode he just he just wanted to let you know that he doesn't like the playing through commercials that's vamp. Let's vamp this is big. There's a lot happening in the golf World. So. 01:18:45.88 Casey Yeah, I'm gonna I can pull it up if you want to if you want to vamp as they say in the industry here just like ah. 01:18:54.66 dave_gerhardt Playing playing through though I I it's It's not the playing through that bothers me, it's like they don't seem to have any context of like maybe let's not do the playing through right now. What like why. 01:19:05.42 Casey Um, and it's always a ninety foot it's always a ninety foot like no chance birdie putt that you can't even see um, okay. 01:19:12.70 dave_gerhardt Um, yeah I don't have a problem with the playing through I would pay I would pay Ninety Ninety Nine a month for a um speth and Greller like feed of everyone I can't get enough of that. 01:19:24.81 Casey Okay, this is so much better than I thought um hey I saw your Thanksgiving blog about the things you're thankful for pretty funny if you ever do the opposite question I'd I'd like to add that damn split screen playing through. 01:19:35.83 dave_gerhardt Ah, oh. 01:19:40.90 Casey Pisses me on it pisses me off every time and I always make a mental note to never buy or support whatever company that ad is I'm not alone on this either. It's 1 notch above the rotating and hockey boards and that might be it that might need to be a segment. 01:19:53.50 dave_gerhardt There does like he's like oh great, you know you know I'm not using for my next audit Grand Thornton for that damn playing through commercial who shout out to the blog. We. 01:20:04.95 Casey Um, I'm just I'm just thankful. He supports the blog. 01:20:10.32 dave_gerhardt I wish I took notes because there's about 3 clips 3 3 no braininer clips for this episode alright things are getting chaotic here. Thank you for listening to this episode longa pod send us an emailil long gay pod at Gmail.com case good to see you I'll I'll talk to you later in the week and um. Chris Ford if you're if you're listening. We're gonna do our best to make sure that playing through gets gets fixed all right? yeah. 01:20:30.98 Casey Um, Rory joined the pod.