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I'll just try and sound a little bit more like John Mulaney Fair he does kind of have that thing going on , doesn't he ?

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Malacolique y Macca , I like it strong and you know , spritz of lime . Well , it's very delicious . Thank you once again . Malacolique y Macca , is that what you said ? Yeah , it is Totally a tropical Christmas , but it's on theme . It is For our interview guest this week .

She's also our second guest from across the pond . Oh my gosh , yeah Right 20s on the podcast today , fresh off her Opry debut , her song Bad Men has charted on the country charts .

I mean totally , I'm like and you feel like you're at first you're like , oh man , I feel like I'm what is this life ?

Network in it Red door .

She has my favorite place and it's Tuesday today and it's Hong Kong Tuesdays American Legion .

It just reminds me more of like why I moved here , because there's so much community and you can go and everyone's just outside . It's literally like stepping back in time and people are having a cigarette outside Like I don't know .

And you can still do those things , but it's , you know , becoming less and less . And you used to sit with the CD jacket or the record sleeve and you'd go through and you'd read where you know who wrote the songs , where they were recorded , and you can find that data now , but you have to go looking for it .

So , with that in mind even though we know you've probably answered this question several times on many , you know , publicity questionnaires or whatever For our listeners who've never heard 20 before , can you just give us a brief back story as to how you got into writing , performing , recording music , dancing , anything you want to share ?

I was born in 19 , 24 years .

I'm the oldest of four so I had like I was always put on like babysitting duty or so I'd like do stuff with the kids and like make literally met my brother and sister , reenact scenes of Disney , because I grew up on like this is one of the reasons why I want to have kids because I'm like I get to watch all the shows again . More than that .

But I was really fascinated because my grandparents who were still alive they're 87 and 88 . They were obsessed with like the rap pack , judy Garland , frank Sinatra . I grew up on like Hollywood movie musicals and I could always . I'm a very quick learner but I do not have like if I'm not interested in it , I just don't practice .

So I think like dancing was one of those things . Acting , singing , even writing . I started out writing poems . I was always like very trying to express myself , be a little bit of a drama queen . Probably didn't get enough attention as a kid , to be honest , but I started on stage .

They put me in , like I was always in like your school plays and stuff like that I did like my first TV job and like pantomime , which is I don't think you have them there like theater show when I was like seven or six or something .

So I'd like grown up on the stage , which I think was kind of like a really good training for like when I did meet famous people later on , because I was working with such famous people when I was younger , like I was like this doesn't bother me .

It was just like really good discipline to be doing , like at Christmas you do like eight shows a week , and so I did a lot of acting . I left home when I was 15 , went to like a stage music drama school . My family is super tight and my dad's side of the family are all Roman Egyptians .

And because I had such a massive family , like I say , my grandma was into the rat pack , judy Gallant , all them kind of stuff .

My dad was more you rolling stones , billy Joel and Abba , funny enough , and my mom was like Abba , shania Twin , gilbert O'Sullivan which nobody kind of really knows but I think he's like an amazing songwriter , and I was growing up with the Spice Girls and Shania Twin and like I heard Dolly , who's a national on country music like I heard of .

And then we you talk about like CDs and stuff I had , like they used to I don't know whether they do this here , but they had like now this is 2000 or now this is like so you would have like all the hits and I would just like with my CD . We're like dancing .

And so I went to college , stayed there for two years , left early because my first job was in the West End with a guy called Brian May from Queen , and so I did a lot of musical theater and usually when you do musical theater . So I think I was like 18 or just about to turn 19 .

I got in that show and I was in it for a year and it was amazing , like it was . I was spout really and 19 years old , like standing ovation by 3000 people every night . You kind of get used to that . So by the time I did went on to my next show .

It was a Blondie musical where I met Blondie and I was ensemble in my first job and I was just like this is not for me . I am leaving Like most people when they get in the West End .

I think I've been always extremely ambitious and always knew that I wanted to sing , but I didn't have like definitely my dad's side of the family would not interested in entertainment or anything like that .

It's very much like you get married at 19 , you have babies and that's like your kind of world , whereas my I mean my dad was always supportive , but it was like my mom that was pushing me to do like taking me to my dance lessons , and my grandma , which was my dad's mom , and I just remember thinking I was like I do not want to be behind the star , I

want to be in the spotlight .

So my next job was the Blondie musical and that was called desperately seeking Susan , which was based on a film and it lasted like it was desperately seeking two more weeks because it closed within two more weeks . And then that was the first time I was like out of a job and I was like , oh my gosh , what should I do ?

And then , luckily , because I my dance teacher . I always thank her for this . She was like , if you can like sing , dance , act , write , add as many strings to your boat as possible , you will always work and touch wood . I have never had a normal job , meaning normal job of like , apart from when I was like 15 working in a restaurant or anything like that .

I've always done things with art , which is I'm truly grateful for that . So because I could like kind of like a triple threat , it was at the time where like people were going on television like reality stars and then coming into like musical theater .

But I was like really like annoyed by the fact like I trained and like people that being on television for like two seconds , I was like okay , but because I could sing , dance and act , I think I was like the youngest Vel McKelley in Chicago the musical , and then , like , did a few more shows , did a few more leads and I was like I was always doing gigs

on the side but I was like I don't know anyone . How do you get to know ? Like I remember , even when I was like nine years old , looking through the yellow pages which , like anybody that's watching this , probably you know you might be able to remember the yellow pages .

So the teacher that taught there , he had a school in Blackpool and you could do like a full-time class in three days but then work , come home and work for the rest of the day . So , which was amazing , actually I'm so pleased I did it because it taught me the value of money I was paying for my own fees . So I've always had that discipline of like working

. Anyway , I got sidetracked but like I did those leads , I wanted to . I still was doing shows , I was writing . I was like , how do I get into like music ?

And there was a guy called Olly Thompson who was like the lead in Rock of Ages and he was like I want to introduce you to my manager because it was back when , like musical theater stars in the western , like equivalents , broadway , was doing like albums , like just cover albums .

So he was really big and he introduced me to a guy called Thomas Amby who was now , consequently like young Bloods manager and he was like you really remind me of like a young , like rockier version of Shania Twin and I'd like listen to .

I mean I was obsessed with her , but I was just obsessed with like her as an artist of , like the way she expressed herself and the way that she thought about the videos , and I was like quite an obsessed kid about watching videos , music videos especially . So I did like sessions . He introduced me to a bunch of people . Yeah , yeah , yeah .

I got introduced to a guy called John Green who is now like a hit song , right , he's based over here , but he was like the way that you write is very storytelling , I think you'd really like Nashville .

So he brought me over and I was so green , I was so naive , I was like I'd only done like a few sessions like really of cowriting , and come into this town .

I mean I'm up for anything , like I'll go like put me to work , but it kind of like whooped my ass a little bit of like three sessions a day , because I think with writing , especially for me , I mean some of the best songs that are so personal to me I think I've written by myself , but in collaboration I think is so cool because you get a different

perspective , but I wasn't . I'm so headstrong as an artist that I really have to like it's a weird job .

What's going on ? But John Green introduced me to like Lucy Silvers , who was like my fucking sister . I could not do without that girl in my life . Dave Barnes , like so I felt like I had a fast track to so many people that were just like , firstly , good fucking humans but amazing at their job , and I just I was like a sponge .

I just wanted to learn off everybody . You know , I think my . So I came back and forth for like seven years and then I decided to make the move this year in April . Yeah , thank you .

And then , yeah , kind of like the rest of history , like I moved because I went through a really which like kind of inspired this blue hour EP very like , I think , because of my musical theater background and acting I forgot to mention . So after the musical theater people came in I was like I need to get on TV , I need to do this .

So I had like a whole career in TV and film and like work with Glenn Close and all this stuff happened .

And then I finally moved and I was like actually because you do do like a comparison you're like shit , I wish I'd moved here early and it's a 10 year town and blah , blah , blah , and I'm just like actually some of the stuff that I've done this is why I feel like I had different lives is because it's it all of it is is part of me and you know I

believe in like God's time and universal timing , but it is made me hone in on certain skill sets that now I can direct my own music videos , I can edit , I can like choreograph stuff or like I know how to manage .

I'm sure , and you've been coming for seven years already . So there you go and you're in it to win it .

Like I mean , five , six years ago , Spotify really wasn't a thing like you could catch an algorithm if you were like smart enough and all this stuff . And then they the pandemic happened . They launched my album called Hollywood Gypsy and that was like a real reflection time Because I was like it's so funny and it was a great lesson .

Because I was like , if I ever win it like a Grammy or like anything , I was like putting my album out never felt the way that I thought it would feel and I know that it was a lot to do with the pandemic Like I never got to like go buy it in a store or like we had to . Like we had to rearrange the tour like three times .

I was like it is so fucking important to enjoy the journey . That's what that taught me , because I actually didn't enjoy being with a major label all that much . I'm very much like there was .

So there was like you just in a system , and if you're like not first in line , if you're not making enough money which I wasn't , you know like , you have to be consistent and build , and I don't think I was that savvy enough when I was in it with like social media .

I just thought , well , you get a record delay label and everything's like magically happened . Yeah , it's like the old times but it wasn't like that and I loved everyone on that team and I still am really good friends with like John Lovis .

We did the pandemic and BBR really loved my stuff and they were like , we're going to do this EP called Welcome to the Club , put that out and I unfortunately wasn't growing as much as like they thought I would .

And then you know , money or whatever politics I got dropped from the UK which didn't have anything to do with the American label , which that's what I was like kind of sad about , but I think it would have helped me being here a lot sooner .

I'm like use me up Like I as long as I'm not exhausted , which I very much , I'm all the time , but I love to see people win , especially women . And I think it was very much a culture shock when I came here , because we have radio one and radio two and then we have country radio that I look at the chart and I'm like what's going on there ?

I'm like don't really understand why this . I mean this .

But also I want to do with the right team that actually believe in you know you've already got like Lady Wilson , carrie Underwood , you don't need another one . Like I want to be 20 , you know , like I feel like it's really important .

Everyone's got super power and you've got to just be yourself , because by the time they're like people are chasing someone's cool , but by the time you like produce them and put it out , it's like well , that's already last year like your best superpower is like expressing you like it's a .

So I was with someone for almost 10 years and we yeah , tell me about you do less time in prison Seriously . And the thing is , that song to me is like it's so sad but it's so beautiful as well , because it was like okay , I got it , like I just got to trust and believe the way that he did .

It was like harsh , because we were probably not that great for each other , but he was stronger than I and blocks me on everything . He emailed me to tell me it was over and never spoke to me again .

But do you know what , like I often think about this because I still have a lot of love for that person , like he you know how I am today is a lot of like what he taught me , like he taught me how to be so good in business .

And I think when you truly really do love somebody and I would say I'm definitely not in love with him anymore , but like I do have a lot of love for him I just want him to be okay and happy and I think it takes a long time to kind of process that emotion and accept and I think the way I love you if you listen , that's why his voice is actually on

. I was wondering about that , yeah , his voice , because I was going through my voice notes and I was like I want to capture like the love that we had in this three minute song , no matter like when we both die , it's out there because he really did mean the world to me and I think like I had a lot of growth to do .

Ten years , that's a decade , that's a long time . That's like a big chunk of life that you guys did together it definitely is a lot of fights , a lot of like laughter , a lot of like everything you know .

And I think that , yeah , I just I think that's a really that kind of sums up the EP for me , blue Hour and that's why I'm such a conceptual person , because that was based on true life of .

I hated the nights , because the nights would fucking ruin me , because I had no one to talk to . I would often like be up at four o'clock in the morning and I'd just ring my friends from American and they're like , why are you up ? And I was like I can't sleep , can you just talk to me ? And I'd fall asleep on the phone to them .

And it was like I wanted to like kind of do this story of like , because Blue Hour is actually a thing .

It appears just before , just after the sun goes down and just before the sun comes up , and I feel like this journey of like a breakup of like a night , it's like 10 years in a night and all these different songs , it's like just like the tagline is like it's I mean , it's the most psychotic song that you'll ever hear , I love it , it's like I say around

to like do you want to hear a sad song ? Do you want to be depressed ? Do you want to hear a psychotic song ? They're like psychotic and they love a murder ballad .

I was wanted by the Metropolitan Police , in fact , that's why I'm in .

I was like what ? So Robin of course sensible was like don't go to the house . Carter was like go to the house . So obviously I went to the house and not on his door . He lived in like flats . They're the communal hallway and the neighbors let me in . And I'm like listening at the door . I'm like he's obviously fucking cheating on me .

He's cheating on me , I'm listening , I'm convincing myself after a few drinks . I'm like there's someone in there . Anyway , he's not answering . I see the window , the landing window , and I'm like , oh , that's a good idea .

I'll just crawl out the window onto the roof with a 70 foot drop and I will grab a drain pipe and hold my phone , put the flashlight on and shine it through his bedroom window to see if he's with another girl Psycho .

And then my flatmate two weeks later was like hey , babe , there's like four non-uniform police that have literally banged down the door and it is telling our next door neighbor yes , 20s on the run , she's wanted by the Metropolitan Police . Oh my God , never been in trouble with a place in my entire life . Did you write a song about that ?

Yeah , it's called , just Like .

Like , what he did to me wasn't cool , but I was like people can only meet you at the capacity that they have . Like .

I don't think he could do it to my face and I think that just comes with a little bit of wisdom and getting older , reflection and closure and looking back on it , like I wrote that song in my bedroom and I was both suddenly heartbroken and like three weeks ago I got to play it at the opera , Like it made my opera debut .

So I feel like he set me free in many ways . So I will never question like the timing of anything . Because I'm like , if you have got a goal and you have got a dream and you want to go after it , like if you work hard , I don't see there's any reason why you can't achieve that .

You just got to surround yourself with people that like lift you and energize you , not drain you . And I think , like I mean we're surrounded with music industry people that sometimes didn't quite make their dream they wanted to be an artist but they changed or whatever and I just think like the way to kill a dream is to tell it to a small mind .

So it's so important , like all my friends that I'm surrounded by , they are never surprised when I'm like so I'm thinking I'm going to build a rocket ship and go to the moon , and they're like do it ? How can I help ? They're like of course you are , what do you need ? You know like it could be that crazy , but I want to be like so delusional .

You've got like one life , we're here for a minute of time , that's it , and you've just got to soak up every little bit of it and even failure . It's like success turned inside out . So I don't know . I just think like we're all . We've all got our own little mess that we're trying to clear up and like grow in .

Sometimes people focus on other people's mess where , like I honestly feel like the more healing and more you get to know yourself , the better you are as a human out in the world . And you one of my favorite quotes . I love this quote so much . It's like if you shine your own light , it gives others permission to shine their own .

And I think , like you have to , I would rather be in a room full of two people that completely know me and love me for who I am , rather than be in a room of like 20 people that think they know me .

And I was like yep , yep . And I remember sending him the voice note because if you listen to it it's got Adam's voice , my ex's voice , on it and that chokes me up .

I think that song , even now when I listen to it or I play it live , even though I am not I don't know whether I'll ever see him again it's like just a reminder of like there's so much beauty in the past as well and so many lessons that I learned about myself . So it's kind of like a big celebration but also like a saying goodbye .

I remember because we recorded most of these in my bedroom in London . I did I don't have like a huge budget , I was just like we're doing it , let's just do it , me and you and I remember doing the vocal and we were on like the last take . I still get emotional thinking about it and it's the last line , it's like I still love you .

And after I sang that , he was like I think we got it and I just burst into tears . I was like , oh , and I think it was just like a very much like okay , this is me moving on with my life and this is my goodbye to you , no matter where you are in the world , like I just wish you the best .

And I was just like I this was like kind of my message to say to him like no , I'm not fucking perfect , but I didn't deserve , I deserved the last goodbye .

But if this is my goodbye to you and I hope that you remember me fondly and it was kind of just like there were some good bits as well and I hope you remember that and this is my at least I get to tell it to the world Obviously probably wouldn't be impressed with just like oh , but you know many shades of process .

It's not me like full on belting , but when you said like oh , I feel like Lucy Silver's , like Adele , could sing it , I was like it's a really big compliment , like I just I love that song so much , so in my bedroom . And then , yeah , it went out into the world so I'm about to sing it now .

Now I gotta trust myself to love somebody new the way I loved you , the way I loved you . You're so nice . They are old friends . No one knows part in years past . It will be like that till the end . Right now I'm creeping the life I once knew Trials and tribulations . Maybe next life we'll see it through .

We'll live in stars for now , but that light still shines on . Like you and me , I'll never be gone the way I loved you , the way I needed you , the way I looked into your eyes Felt all the stars . The way you cried . The mighty do fall , the way you took it all .

Now I gotta trust myself to love somebody new the way I loved you , the way I loved you . We'll live in stars for now , but that light still shines on . Like you and me , I'll never be gone the way I loved you the way I needed you , the way I looked into your eyes Felt all the stars , the way you cried , the way you took it all .

Now I gotta trust myself to love somebody new the way I loved you , the way I loved you .

The whole concept written from the perspective of like okay , you broke my heart , I need to deal with it , I need to put my big girl pants on and just like there's eight billion people in the world , why am I crying over you ? It's fine , whatever you can have like many different people that are right for you .

So I'm like just make sure you're leaving , cause you're never coming back . So even though and I knew once I wrote the way I loved you , I was like I am never going back to that . I'd made up my mind about going to Nashville

. I was like I'm never coming back so cool and Lonely Long was kind of like to empower that . Like I won't be Lonely Long . Like kind of just for anybody that's going through it . Like we're all beautiful , we're all smart , we all deserve to be happy . Like if you're ever in a situation where somebody is like making you feel shit , you don't deserve that .

Like you know , we're not all our best selves all the time .

But I think like to me , I was like I just want to nap them for anybody that's like been broken up with and just been like okay , all right , I'm moving on and it's gotta be great and you're gonna have to watch me do it and you'll come back , which is funny because you know , when we had that full moon , like there was a couple of them , I swear I'm

like must've like closed out a karma cycle or something , because every ex that I have ever oh yeah , they're reaching out ever had , even from like 20 years ago . They were in my DMs . Oh , the full moon . They were in my DMs .

I remember like when I was going through it , I mean I don't know where I would've been without him , to be honest , to just like you totally understand that . Yeah , they're just the best . Dogs are the best , doggies are the best they are . And he's just into something at the minute .

That's why they say , when you move on from someone , they reach out because they felt it , they felt the shift . They felt the shift and I love that .

That's why they say you have to match the energy and the frequency of your dreams . You've got to be so delusional that you're already there . That's what I do anyway . It seems to be working . And then you make it a reality . Yeah , and there's where you are what you manifest , yep .

No , I won't be lonely , lonely , no , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely , lonely , I'll be dancing underneath your light , flirting with my freedom . Won't even need a dream to forget you , cleaving what you're feeling , cause I'll be going out tomorrow night and I'll put my red dress on .

No more heart won't break and my tears won't cry , and I won't be lonely , lonely , no , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely , lonely , no , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely , lonely .

It's the calmest strength I had , not to fall apart , trying hard to mend the pieces of my broken heart . Well , you've felt life dropping in and just expect me to agree . Well , I'm sleeping on my loving horse and one who's loving me . Oh , I'm going out tomorrow night and I'll put my red dress on .

No more heart won't break and my tears won't cry , and I won't be lonely , lonely , no , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . No , I won't be lonely . Don't walk in lonely . Walk in lonely , lonely .

And I was like oh , you've done it . And he's going over to one girl and then the other . I was like I can imagine you if you were human , like what a total , like jock you would be . You'd be a player , I'd be getting calls off people's mothers .

But I didn't have a distribution company or anything , I just put it out myself and I was like I want to like re-release this somehow . So I was like , ok , well , I'm just going to put music out . Yeah , do another EP .

And I don't really like , see , I actually do for my artist friends , but there seems to be like a lot of covers that come out every year and I was like I really want to do some fun . So , like Secret Santa , I wrote with my friend , Chris Rufetto , who's like producing this next half , the next half of Blue Owl Barnes , and it was just so fun .

I was like this is awesome . I love stuff like this . Like music should be fun .

I Hate Christmas was written with have you seen Love Actually .

That I did ages ago , so it was just a collection of songs that was like I may as well keep this stuff going . Absolutely , you know well , let's go , just keep putting music out . So yeah , that kind of was like I was like for anybody that's having a blue Christmas , let's go . And it's kind of like nostalgic some of the songs .

I was just like I've got this idea and I need songs for it , so can you write with me ? You say Alan Menken , yeah , what ? Yes , you wrote with Alan Menken . I did what . I wrote a song called Elf on the Shell for this Christmas movie and I kind of want it to be like the greatest showman meets La La Land .

I have got so many friends in this town and across the pond that I just many of their journeys haven't gone the way that they thought it was going to go , but it's completely turned out a hell of a lot better than they could ever imagine , and it's funny .

I just like this town is amazing for like meeting new people and I know what it feels like to be like the new person in town and I would never , ever write anybody off . Like I like writing with new people I don't mind if you don't have a hit . Like I love that energy of like they remind me of like why I'm still in this industry .

Because , you can write with , like the more successful that you get . I think it's like it's strategy and it's like , well , we've got to get another one . And it's money , and it's like people have got families . But I feel like the innocence and the naivety of like Just trying to write Right , just trying to write a good song .

I just like trying to write a good song and like , honestly , that's all we're trying to do . We're just trying to look for that one song to change your life . But that energy , like I really think it's important to be around , like dogs , children . You've got to live life in order to experience what you're going to write about , absolutely .

I can bring the stockings and I'll walk to hang on this door . Are you thinking what I'm thinking ? Do you feel the way I do ? If you can keep a secret , say Baby , I can keep on to love , keep on to , yeah , I can keep on to Shhh .

That's why the Opry was so special Because I just looked across and I was like All those people that genuinely believe me , they're here on the most important night of my life . Yeah let's talk about that .

So I come in , I'm talking to my friend , abigail Rainer comes up and there's Jamie Johnson here . So we're all talking all the time they're fucking like like it's killing me . He's like , oh , I've got a bad neck as well . Anyway , we're talking and he's like Somebody comes up and they say something to him and I'm like I'm like are you a really big deal ?

Like should I know who you are ? You're famous , you're famous , aren't you ? I was like sorry . I was like I've been an idiot , probably , but like I just . But also I know I'm like , I'm like I'm sorry . He's like no , it's fine . I was like , okay , anyway , we were just get talking about like life and stuff , and he's such easy , he's a fucking legend .

And this guy just Just very unassuming , just legend . Yeah , like . So we're talking and he's like so what do you do ? I was like I'm a dentist . He's like are you really ? I was like , no , I'm fucking Sam . I bet you've heard that before in Nashville .

So I'm like making him laugh and we're having like some good crack and he's like what you , what you doing ? I was like , well , I'm just told him my story . And I was like , honestly , I'm just trying to like figure my life out at the minute . I don't like no , obviously I'd love to play the opry and stuff , but we'll , we'll see .

I don't know if that's ever gonna happen . I would like it to happen before my grandma and my granddad pass , but like I will to grandma and granddad , I was like 88 and 87 . I like I'd love to fly them over , but why are they ? He's like well , send me your music . No , I'm Okay .

And and then I said in my music and he was like did you text me back like a day later ? Because I didn't think anything of it . I was like this , this is a pydrate and it's not gonna happen . People are in this Time for years and that never happens for them . And also I was with a major record label and it never happened .

So I didn't have any like expectation that it would . And he texts me back and he's like did you write all these yourself ? And I was like , yeah , and Bad these two or whatever . Like he's like this is , this is great . He was like how does the opry sound early November ? And when I tell you like , I was like and you remained conscious because I wouldn't .

I was like , well , he texts me that . And Then I rang him . I was like , are you fucking being serious ? He went yeah , I went . He was like let's get them grandparents over . And I just burst out crying oh my god , what a real one . And I was like , oh my god , jamie , that's amazing .

And I think because , like I still get emotional thinking about it now . But I think like I'm emotional here at hearing it because like it's , it's different , like music industry sucks for everyone at times . But I got dropped .

And then I got dropped by the person that I loved and I just felt like I'd been fighting all year to like Be seen or like to be valued by someone . And the fact that this legend came in and he like Loved it firstly , loved my music and then secondly , was just like , yeah , it's sorted .

I was just like , oh , I don't know what , say I can never hear you . And he was just like . It was honestly like the best night and everybody that was there I sang , the way I loved you and I'd realized like how far I'd come and like Just the opera make it so special for you when they record you and it's just like Some it , some of that .

I just thought , felt like they asked me how I felt and I was like I just feel seen , I feel like I'm like worthy of being here and that was like really like , really cool because you work so hard and you get so many Nose and you just feel like what's the fucking point ?

Yeah , like I'm broke , I'm missing my family , I'm like trying not to like phone home and be like I'm a failure , like not that you're a failure , but like it seems a lot of the time you do these gigs you think no one's fucking listening and then that guy just shows up out of nowhere and it just felt like God's plan and I was just like .

He thinks I'm good .

I think honestly that's why I do music , because I just want to connect with as many people as possible and be of service to people , because I know what it's like to feel alone or I know what it's like to feel excluded and I don't want people feeling like that .

So I feel like I try and do that my music and that's my gift , or like my piece towards the world . But sorry , I don't know why I cry , but it just like it really meant so much that .

And I remember , like Dan at the opera , they give you like a lovely little gift and he was like you know , you might not have a team , he said , but you definitely have a team in this town of like artists and writers Believe in you .

And I see that like , and I get emotional because I'm like , after time , you can't pay for shit , you can't pay for beer , you can't do any of this , but it's like you , those people which , let's be honest , like none of this fucking industry would exist without , like us creatives .

It's those creatives that keep you going and that you respect and that you love , and that I want to be there with them at the top , and it's because they believe they keep me in their room , they allow me to keep making music and I'm like , I'm not gonna do that .

They allow me to keep making music and they do me favors or like and that's what I love about this town like those creatives still believe in talent and Just want to work with you , because they believe , despite what the music industry says or what you numbers say they believe and I think like that's a good reminder of that .

We never know how we're like Affecting each other . I always think of myself as like a little stone that throws itself into like the lake and I can either decide to Make my ripples positive or negative and like that's how I'm like if I make them positive , then maybe I'll like affect that stone over there and it'll shift their like energy . I love that .

I know they didn't end up coming over , but they did watch it on first time . It was very late for them but they did watch it .

Tarot cards in tequila to tequila . We are back on the liner notes podcast with 20 and it is time for rapid fire . All right , 20, . I hope you're ready . I'm ready . What are two items on your artist bucket list ?

And what was ironic about that show is there was a guy called Balin Leonard who is now like a massive like country DJ in the uk and he's got his own like Festival called the long road . That he was my first ever interview .

He came and interviewed me before the show at dive bar and then , like it was amazing and like every time , like some great happens , I just like message balin . I was like , do you remember ?

What seemingly innocent habit or human behavior might make you think someone is a serial killer . Uh , they're not liking dogs yeah 100% Yep Like easiest answer ever yeah if you don't like dogs , I'm like you're definitely a serial killer . Yeah , 100% yeah . How do you not ?

So , yeah , probably being sick .

But I do like when I Kind of lived in LA for a little bit I was like I Fucking hate the fact that the sun shines . I'm like , oh , that's right . Give me some negativity . I know somebody's like just be grumpy , give me some rain .

I just want to move on , but everywhere I go like we were , yeah , yeah , I just like to . Whenever we're on tour , I'm like I could live here . I could live here . I just want to be in all the places all the time . Okay , so summer , okay , name three indie artists or bands that everyone should be listening to .

And and she played me letters to ghosts and I heard that second verse where she talks about he's gonna find me wherever I run and I cried like a baby and I remember that very vividly . I remember it like we went . She was playing a show at Hotel cafe .

We went right after that , right after that and I was like she's like so mini and tiny , she was like wearing her like that villain song with Dave Barnes and she , just like I , was like oh my god .

It's the norm and I kind of like that . But my job like a science geek and spiritual geek so I love that Good answer yeah , do you have a comfort food of choice ? Yeah , any carbs . I'm such a carb girl , I just love all the carbs . Cabs made me happy .

like like English Boys tried American Thanksgiving but they gave them like stuff that I'm like why did you give them that like it was like Clearly the people who are doing like they research what American Thanksgiving was and then like what did they give them ? I don't know it was like , and so it was like a .

It was like a leftover sandwich instead of like a set of the actual meal . But I guess I was turkey . Like a turkey dinner is pretty like universal to like .

There is a good British pop here .

I don't think , oh my god . So my brother goes to the bathroom , he waits outside the bathroom , billy Joel comes out with this security and and Shawn goes hey , mr Joel . And he turns around because I don't think a lot of people call this your Joel . And he goes I'm gonna take your job one day and he was like okay , okay .

Then he came back upstairs and told me that and I was like oh my god , he could have asked for a picture .

Yeah , he did like seven songs so Love that Hollywood moments . Yep , your turn . Who is a one-hit wonder you consider severely underrated ?

I feel , like , based off of everything we've talked about tonight , as far as like major label like jadedness , it's understandable why some people just like we're like , fuck this him . And also Jimmy Neco . Yeah , oh , jimmy . Oh my god , so many people , and then people who like let , got out of their deals and owed like $500,000 .

It's just like that's all we're trying to do is tell people that we love them in a way , and Billy Joel for sure ,

I think . Honestly this is like kind of like random , but I listen to it like a lot of rappers like growing up like two-part can biggie and I feel like they were my first kind of like the poets and lyricism like lyrics , like lyricism . Everybody's about to two tequila's and I can't speak properly and yeah , just like their kid .

And says , especially for me , because I'm like that's got a lot to do with dancing as well . But like , I'm very like skippy , sometimes not generally go against the ground , like , oh , it has to be . I'm like , no , it doesn't like . Look at this . And Queen dolly Shania , definitely I listened to that .

I listened to that album to death , like Like just all her songs I love , like the bee beavies in the background , use the genius and and also took a lot of inspiration for people like like Ella Fitzgerald and Chet Baker and like Julie Judy Garland , even like just that , they're delivery and though the work , the things that they were actually speaking about , like

some of them old-fashioned , kind of like what they used to make , what music used to be , and I tend to go back to that . I listen to a lot of old songs on Motown and like , just like For ideas , like harmonize over them or like create a melody or just put on the instrumental , and I'm like these grooves are still so good .

And Abba , I don't there's , there's so many I can't live . Yeah , but it down . There was one my mom loved , gilbert or Sullivan . I don't know whether you know that guy , but he he wrote alone again , naturally , I think like he was at the time of like Elton John , but never really .

He had a number one hit in America all over , but he he never really like . I don't know why he didn't like keep going . Maybe he did , but he didn't have the same successes , ellen . But to me hit some of his songs in the way that he lyrically wrote stuff was like he was my first ever concert when I was like six years old and I knew every lyric .

She was like I've come in here to see him , not to listen to you say , oh my god , I was only like sick , all about .

So , I think like everything I've done is really like Enhance me helps with the performance part of it .

The MP MVP yeah , that's guests of guests , guests of guests , well . Well , the listeners will get to see him on 20s video of her performance video . So that's cool . Yeah , we took some photos . I mean he's adorable , so cute and so sweet . Yeah , that was . That was really fun .

Yeah , I can't believe you know we're at the end of the season , pretty much at this point .

So I mean , I've been a big Tyler Hilton fan since 2003 , or whenever he came out with his first single , we love time and I . He just came out with some new music which I'm super stoked about . It's called the parting . His song is called the parting . Oh , I haven't really really good , I can't wait . Um , yeah , I love him . He's so great .

He's just such a great songwriter and you got to open for him one time . I did randomly at Moe's in Utah .

Oh it is so good which was in , was Recorded here in house , yeah , I mean at RCA . Yeah , which is pretty cool , it is very cool and it honestly is so stinking good . Yeah , it is so incredibly . Rachel Zuggler's voice , like I mean , obviously knew she had a great voice from playing Maria and West Side . She does a lot of the soundtrack .

Right , yeah , she does . She's Incredible . Like the . The range this girl has with , like the tones and the different styles that she's able to do at such a young age , is Like it's otherworldly , like she's honestly so good and the songs are great . It's got cute Olivia Rodrigo song on there .

I want to read those too but I I want to go see the movie like yeah . I might just go see it and and you can read the I'm already like yeah , like you know enough about the Hunger Games universe that you yeah , I don't need to , but the book is really well done .

Yeah , it's and the soundtrack is great and I've heard nothing but great things from my teenagers that I teach Well I think all the . Hunger Games movies were really like as far as like .

Yeah , jennifer like was a young , she was young , but she I think has always come across Winslet in that like 19 or whatever she seems 25 . Yes , and we'll seem 25 till , she's like 45 .

It's okay , I would totally do a nerdy book podcast because I could talk about my Books we're about to have our big annual let's plan 2024 meeting and I'm sure we're gonna discuss all kinds of ideas . But anyway , listeners , thank you so much for tuning in this week to our episode with 20 . It has been so much fun . It's so fun .

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And oh , if you , we are . If you are in the national area , we are playing at the basement with former guest Jet black .

They got very many left , so hopefully you can use the rest of your December to catch up , and I hope you all have a merry holiday season and we'll be back next week .