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The Lawyer's Escape Pod

Megan Smiley interviews recovering lawyers, career advisors, and other professionals for advice and inspiration on transitioning out of law practice.
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Anne-Marie Rabago on solo practice and legal incubators

My guest this week is Anne-Marie Rabago, the founder and principal of Modern Juris, which provides tools, training, and support to help lawyers build financially sustainable businesses designed to serve the latent legal market. Anne-Marie started her legal career at Pricewaterhousecoopers, then launched a solo tax law practice before transitioning into law school and non-profit legal incubator programming. I wanted to have Anne-Marie on because I, admittedly, wasn’t familiar with legal incubator...

Dec 08, 202356 minEp. 105

Kate Bridal on Escaping Burnout and Embracing A Winding Career

My guest today is Kate Bridal, a former lawyer turned legal tech marketer turned co-host of The Legal Burnouts podcast. We explore her professional journey, from drama school to working with primates (yes, seriously - she got to sign with chimps), to law and beyond. Kate shares with us how she's navigated the pressures of the legal profession, her adventures in legal tech marketing, and the ongoing career transition she’s navigating. It’s an open and honest conversation that highlights that the ...

Dec 01, 20231 hr 8 minEp. 104

Sejal Thakkar goes from employment lawyer to workplace culture consultant

Our guest today is Sejal Thakkar, a former employment law attorney, a 2X TEDx speaker, and the Founder and Chief Civility Officer at TrainXtra, a woman/minority- owned training consulting firm, where she helps leaders create positive, safe, and respectful workplaces through customized training and coaching. In this episode, we discuss: Sejal realizing that litigation was a bad fit; she wanted to build workplace culture, not clean up messes Following your interests to build skills and open doors ...

Oct 20, 202343 minEp. 103

April Roberts on embracing adaptability: Navigating multiple career and life transitions

April Roberts is a former attorney turned financial advisor who now coaches Gen X women to achieve more abundance, love, spirituality and alignment by connecting with their femininity. She also hosts the podcast Vixen Voice where she shares stories of Gen X women that have shed the traditional definition of success to pursue their life’s true passion. April shares with us all of the twists, turns, and lessons she learned in her personal and professional journey. Key Takeaways from April's Journe...

Sep 22, 202359 minEp. 102

Laura Terrell on intentionally navigating your legal career

Today’s guest is Laura Terrell, an executive coach with over twenty-five years of experience as a legal and business leader. Prior to coaching, she was a Special Assistant to the President at the White House, a senior level appointee at the U.S. Department of Justice, an equity partner in two large, global law firms, and in-house counsel at a publicly traded company. In this episode, we discuss: How to be brave in your career moves That taking a risk to do something different teaches you that th...

Sep 15, 202343 minEp. 101

Emily Witt on legal recruiting and career evolution

Emily Witt is a legal recruiter with almost twenty years of industry experience (on both the firm side at one of the world's preeminent law firms and also on the agency side). She tells us about her own career evolution, as well as how she helps lawyers find their next best job. We talk about the importance of keeping your personal true north in mind as you pivot. For Emily, that has meant centering freedom, flexibility and her interest in health & wellness in each stage of her career. She a...

Sep 01, 20231 hr 1 minEp. 100

How to start climbing the right success ladder

Today I’m talking about how success is an entirely personal thing. It looks different for each of us. Yet, our society (and our industry) tend to have a pretty narrow and uniform definition. That's how so many of us get stuck climbing one particular type of success ladder. I encourage you to give yourself permission to personalize your definition of success. And in this episode, I’m giving you some tips on how to start doing that. ~ Connect with Megan! Schedule a Catalyst Call: https://megansmil...

Jun 22, 202319 minEp. 99

Leah Campbell Badertscher leaves law to be an artist and creativity coach

This week’s guest is Leah Campbell Badertscher. She is a former lawyer who has become an artist and a coach to world-class performers and leaders in the arts, business, and social good. Her work is about fulfilling her client’s greatest potential by cultivating a way of being that energizes, strengthens, and enlivens every aspect of their life, including their mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual health and well-being, relationships, finances, life experiences, creativity, and the desire f...

May 31, 20231 hr 1 minEp. 98

What the Woo? A Chat with Chiara Woods

This week's episode is a little different. I teamed up with Chiara Woods (another former lawyer) for an episode that is airing on both this podcast and on hers, The Soulicitor Podcast. We tackle the question of how lawyers and other left-brainers can engage with the world of woo. Those of us in this category are grounded and practical people. We think critically, and aren’t off the deep end woo-woo… But we’re curious. We’re open to thinking about the world and ourselves in new ways. Many of our ...

May 17, 20231 hr 3 minEp. 97

Dorna Moini leaves BigLaw to build a legal tech start-up

Dorna Moini is the CEO and founder of Gavel (formerly Documate), an easy-to-use platform for building client-facing legal apps. Prior to starting the company, Dorna was a litigator at Sidley Austin. There, in her pro bono practice, she worked with legal aid organizations to build a web application for domestic violence survivors to complete and file their paperwork, which led to the idea for Documate - to enable other attorneys to do the same in any area of law. Dorna is on the Legal Services Co...

May 10, 202350 minEp. 96

Given the time commitment and uncertainty, is entrepreneurship worth it?

The truth is that building a business you care about does take time, and there's no way to have a clean, complete map of the process in advance that guarantees success. And in this episode, I argue that it's still worth. It has a lot to do with the fact that a heart-centered business is more than a job, it's a life project. And when you look at it like that, the journey is more than worth the cost. ~ The Sick of Being Stuck Workshop Series (Starts October 12): https://megansmiley.com/sick-of-bei...

Oct 11, 202218 minEp. 95

Janelle Christian leaves BigLaw to build her dream life and business

I am so excited to have Janelle Christian as my guest this week. Janelle tells us about her attempts to find her place within different law firm settings, and her ultimate realization that the law was just not for her. She initially launched an interior design firm, which led to people asking her how she started her business, which has ultimately led to her running a hugely successful business and branding strategy company. There are so many nuggets of wisdom in this episode for anyone thinking ...

Sep 28, 202258 minEp. 94

What coaching actually involves and if it’s for you

The truth is, the answer to what coaching looks like and who it’s for is much like the answer to most legal questions: it depends. It does. It depends on the coach, their approach, the intended outcome, the timeline, etc. And I know how confusing and unhelpful that can sound. In a world where you’re already lacking clarity and feeling overwhelmed, I’m hoping to help bring some transparency to it - at least with respect to how I work. So, in an attempt to demystify what it looks like in this epis...

Sep 20, 202223 minEp. 93

Age & Authenticity: Work, Life and Style After 40

Melanie Lippman, a style and image coach, and I co-hosted a webinar last month called Age & Authenticity: Work, Life & Style After 40. It was such a good conversation, I wanted to share it with all of you on the podcast. In this conversation, we discuss: How to embrace, rather than resist, your evolution How to connect with your personal values and desires How to explore and experiment without judgment How to let go of other peoples' expectations and all the "shoulds" that weigh on you H...

Sep 13, 20221 hrEp. 92

Using new school year energy to jumpstart your next chapter

There's just something about back-to-school energy. There's a sense of hope and possibility. And it's a great opportunity to refocus and recommit to the big career changes you've been wanting to make. In this episode, I share some ideas for how you can set yourself up for success and make this the year you get off the carousel of doom in your current career, find clarity, and make progress on the path to your new life. Connect with Megan! Daydreams to Designs Private Podcast: https://bit.ly/dayd...

Sep 06, 202218 minEp. 91

A New Paradigm for Success

This week I share my thoughts on how we can buck the system and define success on our own terms. I think the new paradigm of success is centered on you being self-actualized and of true service, rather than being the best rule follower out there. I also shared some wise, if salty, words from my mom. It would be her birthday today. I recently came across a submission she made to her alumni magazine for her 25th reunion. Parts made me cry. Parts made me smile. And parts made me think I really woul...

Jul 05, 202212 minEp. 90

Kristen Gyolai combines law and entrepreneurship

Kristen Gyolai is the owner of The Law Office of Kristen Gyolai & Lure of Law. She started her career at a high-volume law firm. She enjoyed the practice of law but 5 years in, she was feeling burnt out and needed a change. After considering her options, she ultimately decided to start her own law firm. That has proven to be exactly the right fit for her. She is now also the founder of Lure of Law, where she helps show other attorneys how possible it is to start their own firm. In this episo...

Jun 21, 202251 minEp. 89

Lauren Kay teaches us about Human Design and creating a portfolio career

Lauren Kay is the host of the Legally Different Podcast, a Human Design expert, and a lawyer practicing on her terms. Lauren tells us about her journey of quitting the law in search of something more fulfilling. She identified freedom as her top value, and with that as a guiding principle, has been able to construct a portfolio career. She consults as a lawyer, which allows her to work the hours she wants from wherever she chooses. And she has been able to lean into her other interests, starting...

Jun 07, 202251 minEp. 88

Mary Adkins leaves BigLaw litigation to become a novelist

Mary Adkins is a former BigLaw litigator turned writer. She is author of the novels When You Read This (Indie Next Pick, “Best Book of 2019” by Good Housekeeping and Real Simple), Privilege (Today.com “Best Summer Read,” New York Post “Best Book of the Week”), and Palm Beach (recently named one of the New York Post’s “Best Books of 2021”). Her books have been published in 13 countries, and her essays and reporting have appeared in the New York Times, The Atlantic, Slate, and more. She is also a ...

May 24, 20221 hrEp. 87

From partner to entrepreneur: Embracing your second act

Erika Cole built a thriving, very specialized law practice advising churches and other faith-based organizations. After running her own firm, she merged her practice and became a partner at a larger firm. She enjoyed the work. And from the outside, all the boxes of success were checked. But, something in her told Erika that this chapter was complete. She was ready for a new challenge. And she was ready for an even greater degree of freedom and flexibility. Leveraging the specialization she’d dev...

Apr 26, 202249 minSeason 1Ep. 86

A holistic approach to designing your career

Elena Deutsch is the founder and CEO of WILL (Women Interested in Leaving Law). With a background in executive and leadership coaching, Elena guides women through the process of discovering what they want, leveraging their strengths, and researching inspiring new possibilities. In this episode, Elena and I dive into our shared appreciation for a heart-centered approach to career planning. For so many people, their career dissatisfaction is not simply a question of finding a new job. It’s about t...

Apr 05, 202256 minEp. 85

It’s ok to be an accidental entrepreneur

I never would have guessed that I'd end up being an entrepreneur. I had some long-standing stories around how I just wasn't naturally built for it. I think so many of us have a certain idea of who built for entrepreneurial success and who isn't. But, there are different types of entrepreneurs and different kinds of businesses. So don't count yourself out just yet. ~ Connect with Megan! Daydreams to Designs Private Podcast: https://bit.ly/daydreamstodesigns Schedule a Catalyst Call: https://megan...

Mar 29, 202210 minEp. 84

Jessica Medina shows us it’s possible to unlock the golden handcuffs

Jessica Medina is a former big law litigator and SEC investigator who is now an accredited financial counselor. She specifically helps big law attorneys who need a financial plan in place to allow them the freedom to explore new career options. Jessica also reassures us that it's possible to create a financial plan that supports a transition to entrepreneurship. Even if you have student loans! In this episode, Jessica talks about: What exactly a financial advisor is, compared to other financial ...

Mar 22, 20221 hrSeason 2Ep. 4

A powerful self-coaching question

The #1 thing that is limiting your career options is your assumption that all of your thoughts are true. In this episode I talk you through how to question the reasons you dismiss certain options, like entrepreneurship. ~ Connect with Megan! Daydreams to Designs Private Podcast: https://bit.ly/daydreamstodesigns Schedule a Catalyst Call: https://megansmiley.com/schedule-a-call Website: https://www.megansmiley.com/...

Mar 15, 20229 minSeason 2Ep. 3

How do you define success?

In this episode, I question our historical definitions for success and challenge you to create a new, more personalized definition for yourself. ~ Connect with Megan! Daydreams to Designs Private Podcast: https://bit.ly/daydreamstodesigns Schedule a Catalyst Call: https://megansmiley.com/schedule-a-call Website: https://www.megansmiley.com/...

Mar 08, 202213 minSeason 2Ep. 2

What is a Heart-Centered Business?

In this episode, I dive into what I mean when I talk about heart-centered businesses and why I think they are the real key to your freedom and fulfillment. ~ Connect with Megan! Daydreams to Designs Private Podcast: https://bit.ly/daydreamstodesigns Schedule a Catalyst Call: https://megansmiley.com/schedule-a-call Website: https://www.megansmiley.com

Mar 01, 202213 minSeason 2Ep. 1

Marni Blank leaves law to become a multi-passionate entrepreneur

Marni Blank began her career as a lawyer, working both for the Federal and NYC government. Ultimately realizing law was not her passion, she decided to switch paths to real estate while co-founding Blank Studio NYC and Blank Farmhouse with her sister. Marni continues to evolve her career, pursuing her many interests. As a lifelong learner and explorer, she believes that one does not need to be boxed into a single career or path, but that there is room to create a life that encompasses whatever b...

Feb 15, 202238 minEp. 83

Sigalle Barness leaves law, becomes a COO, then creates her own role as Chief Storyteller

Sigalle Barness is a former lawyer who is now the Chief Storyteller at Lawline, the leading online education platform for lawyers. After her experience in practicing law did not go as she expected, Sigalle transitioned to working at Lawline where she’s built an incredible career. She rose to COO, but after a health scare, decided to take a step back. That was when she created this new role for herself, which leverages her love of storytelling, writing, and creativity. Sigalle’s story really high...

Feb 08, 202239 minEp. 82

Emily Hirsekorn goes from law to higher education to career confidence coaching

Emily Hirsekorn is a former lawyer turned career confidence coach. After a stint in higher education, she decided to pursue a certification in professional coaching with iPEC. Specifically, Emily now helps lawyers and other ambitious professionals navigate their careers, develop as conscious leaders, and integrate work and life for faster success and greater fulfillment. In this episode, we discuss: Emily followed her long-standing interest in psychology into coaching Emily wanted more control o...

Nov 16, 202151 minEp. 81

Seth Bradley leaves big law to pursue his passion for real estate

Seth Bradley is a former big law attorney who decided to follow his passion for real estate and create his own unique career path. He started his own firm, Bradley Law Limited, where he helps his clients with their real estate and asset protection needs. He has also become a real estate entrepreneur and an expert at creating passive income. Seth is also the host of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast, educating attorneys and other professionals on how to stop trading their time for money so that...

Nov 09, 202133 minEp. 80
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