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The Lawfare Podcast

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The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we have doubled down on seriousness at a time when others are running away from it. Visit us at www.lawfaremedia.org.

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Episodes

Lawfare Archive: Carrie Cordero and Paul Rosenzweig Weigh in on Comey

From June 9, 2017: As the dust settles following former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee, the Lawfare Podcast brings you expert views on what exactly happened yesterday and what it means for the Trump administration going forward. Benjamin Wittes sat down with Carrie Cordero, a former attorney at the National Security Division of the Justice Department, and Paul Rosenzweig, who worked for Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, for a conversation on the Co...

May 03, 202652 min

Lawfare Archive: Bananas and Corporate Accountability for Human Rights

From June 26, 2024: On June 10, the jury reached a verdict in the federal trial against Chiquita Banana. It found that the company had financed a paramilitary group in Colombia in the late 1990s and early 2000s, resulting in the deaths of eight men, and it awarded the victims' families $38 million in damages. It's the culmination of a 17-year-long multi-district litigation that had faced significant procedural, evidentiary, and legal challenges. And it may represent a new frontier in the fight t...

May 02, 202648 min

Scaling Laws: Identifying the Myths and Facts of AI's Environmental Impact with Gavin McCormick

In this episode of Scaling Laws , we explore how the "black box" of global greenhouse gas emissions is being cracked open by artificial intelligence and satellite imagery. Kevin Frazier is joined by Gavin McCormick, who leads Watt Time and ClimateTrace, a global coalition that has revolutionized the process of identifying and quantifying emissions. For decades, climate policy has relied on self-reported data from nations and corporations—a system prone to gaps and "greenwashing." McCormick’s wor...

May 01, 202652 min

Rational Security: The “Tavern Style” Edition

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Executive Editor Natalie Orpett and Contributing Editors Ariane Tabatabai and Joel Braunold, to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including: “The Art of the Heel.” As it approaches the 60-day mark, the war of Iran appears to have entered the “war of attrition” stage. The Strait of Hormuz remains closed by both Iran and the United States, as each side waits to see if the other will capitulate first. President Trump re...

Apr 30, 20261 hr 24 min

Lawfare Daily: The Dangers of Privatized, Automated Immigration Enforcement

Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien sits down with Chinmayi Sharma , an associate professor at Fordham Law School and a contributing editor at Lawfare , to discuss Sharma’s forthcoming law review article, “Immigration Enforcement Intermediaries.” They discuss the U.S. federal government’s increasingly privatized and automated system of immigration enforcement—which Sharma describes as “a code-based Leviathan—cloaked in the veneer of legal legitimacy yet operating outside traditional democratic...

Apr 30, 202643 min

Lawfare Daily: The Explosive Mystery That Rocked Rural Georgia

The Lawfare Podcast team discusses their new series, "Who Blew Up the Guidestones?", investigating the enigmatic Georgia Guidestones—a monument built in 1979 by an individual using a pseudonym and destroyed in 2022. They delve into the creator's dark eugenicist ideals, the monument's rising opposition, and the surprising ease of purchasing the explosive (tannerite) used in its destruction. The hosts also touch upon the GBI's lackluster investigation and their own identification of potential suspects, leaving many questions about justice and the monument's future.

Apr 29, 202651 min

Lawfare Daily: The Shadowy World of Ransomware with Professor Anja Shortland

Lawfare Book Review Editor Jonathan Cedarbaum sits down with Anja Shortland, professor of political economy at King's College London, to discuss her new book, " Dark Screens: Hackers and Heroes in the Shadowy World of Ransomware ." The book offers a history of the development of ransomware into perhaps the most important form of cyber crime, costing the global economy $75 billion a year. In the book, Shortland depicts the evolving strategies of ransomware organizations and the efforts by governm...

Apr 28, 202634 min

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration, April 24

In a live conversation on YouTube , Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Senior Editors Anna Bower, Eric Columbus, and Roger Parloff and Lawfare Public Service Fellow Troy Edwards to discuss the indictment of the SPLC, the DOJ dropping its investigation into Fed Chair Jerome Powell, the government’s renewed attempt to deport Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and more. You can find information on legal challenges to Trump administration actions here . And check out Lawfare ’s new hom...

Apr 27, 20261 hr 25 min

Lawfare Archive: Elle Reeve on "Black Pill" and Alt-Right Internet Culture

From December 17, 2024: CNN correspondent Elle Reeve has spent the last decade reporting on extremism in the United States. Her book , "Black Pill: How I Witnessed the Darkest Corners of the Internet Come to Life, Poison Society and Capture American Politics" provides an insider's glimpse into the "insidious"—and underestimated—world of alt-right internet culture that is now at the center of the Republican Party under Donald Trump. Lawfare Associate Editor Katherine Pompilio sat down with Reeve ...

Apr 26, 20261 hr 3 min

Lawfare Archive: When Lawyers Spread Disinformation

From August 5, 2022: A few weeks ago on Arbiters of Truth, our series on the online information system, we brought you a conversation with two emergency room doctors about their efforts to push back against members of their profession spreading falsehoods about the coronavirus. Today, we’re going to take a look at another profession that’s been struggling to counter lies and falsehoods within its ranks: the law. Recently, lawyers involved in efforts to overturn the 2020 election have faced profe...

Apr 25, 202651 min

Lawfare Daily: The TPS Cases at the Supreme Court, with Geoffrey Pipoly and Andrew Tauber

Geoffrey Pipoly and Andrew Tauber, partners at the Bryan Cave law firm, speak with Senior Editor Roger Parloff about their case, known at the Supreme Court level as Trump v. Miot . In it, they have been fighting to preserve Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for more than 350,000 Haitian immigrants. The Court is hearing the case on April 29, along with Mullin v. Dahlia Doe , which concerns the government’s attempt to terminate TPS status for about 7,000 Syrians. Pipoly and Tauber explain what the ...

Apr 24, 202653 min

Lawfare Daily: Breaking Down the Lebanon Ceasefire

On today's episode, Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sits down with several leading experts to break down the recent ceasefire between Lebanon and Israel and what it might mean for their ongoing conflict, and the broader conflict with Iran. Joel Braunold is a contributing editor at Lawfare as well as the managing director of the Center Project. Dan Byman is a foreign policy editor at Lawfare as well as the director of the Warfare, Irregular Threats, and Terrorism Program at the Center for...

Apr 23, 202656 min

Lawfare Daily: ‘The Criminal State’ with Lawrence Douglas

On today’s episode, Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien sits down with Lawrence Douglas, the James J. Grosfeld Professor of Law, Jurisprudence, and Social Thought at Amherst College to discuss Douglas’s new book, “The Criminal State: War, Atrocity, and the Dream of International Justice.” They talk about how and why international criminal justice shifted from a focus at Nuremberg on the crime of aggression to an “atrocity paradigm,” as well as the “belatedness problem” and other limitations of...

Apr 22, 202645 min

Lawfare Daily: DOJ’s Very Online Civil Rights Head, with Quinta Jurecic and Anna Bower

In her recent profile of Harmeet Dhillon , the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the Department of Justice, The Atlantic’s Quinta Jurecic writes, “Dhillon’s leadership of the division is both the next step in the natural progression of a career spent needling liberals and a preview of what is to come if she continues to rise within the Justice Department.” But, Jurecic notes, Dhillon may be “at the top of her game, yet her position has never appeared more precarious.” For today’s ep...

Apr 21, 202655 min

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration, April 17

In a live conversation on YouTube , Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Senior Editors Anna Bower, Eric Columbus, and Roger Parloff to discuss the disbarment of John Eastman, the Justice Department dropping the last Jan. 6 criminal matters, a warrant issued in the first state criminal charges against an ICE agent, the firing of 6 immigration judges, and more. You can find information on legal challenges to Trump administration actions here . And check out Lawfare ’s new...

Apr 20, 20261 hr 39 min

Lawfare Archive: Hunter Marston on the South China Sea

From October 25, 2024: Hunter Marston, PhD candidate at the Australian National University and Southeast Asia Associate at 9DashLine, joins Kevin Frazier, Assistant Professor at St. Thomas University College of Law and a Tarbell Fellow at Lawfare , to explore the economic and geopolitical significance of the South China Sea. Hunter leans on his extensive knowledge of Southeast Asian politics and history to paint a comprehensive picture of why the next Administration should pay close attention to...

Apr 19, 202634 min

Lawfare Archive: The New January 6 Reports

From January 6, 2025: On today’s podcast, Lawfare Senior Editor and Brookings Senior Fellow Molly Reynolds is joined by Quinta Jurecic, a Fellow at Brookings and Senior Editor at Lawfare , and Ryan Reilly, Justice Reporter at NBC News, to discuss a long-awaited report on Jan. 6 from the Department of Justice’s Inspector General, as well as a new report from House Republicans focusing on the pipe bombs planted outside the Democratic and Republican National Committees as part of the violence that ...

Apr 18, 202659 min

Lawfare Daily: The Justice Department Throws Out the Proud Boys and Oath Keeper Cases

The Justice Department has moved the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals to drop the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys seditious conspiracy cases, the last remaining criminal matters arising from the Jan. 6 insurrection. Lawfare’ s editor in chief, Benjamin Wittes, sits down with four contributors who had intimate involvement with the cases to discuss the decision: Senior Editor Roger Parloff, who covered both trials; Senior Editor Michael Feinberg, who investigated both the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers;...

Apr 17, 20261 hr 1 min

Lawfare Daily: Crypto, Corruption, and Cons, with Ben McKenzie

Ben McKenzie, co-author of “ Easy Money: Cryptocurrency, Casino Capitalism, and the Golden Age of Fraud ,” and writer and director of the new documentary, “ Everyone Is Lying to You for Money ,” sits down with Lawfare Senior Editor Michael Feinberg about his years-long deep dive into the cryptocurrency industry and why his research makes him skeptical of its literal and figurative value. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also su...

Apr 16, 202657 min

Lawfare Daily: Frank Dikötter on the Early Years of Chinese Communism

Lawfare Senior Editor Michael Feinberg and historian Frank Dikötter, the author of “ Red Dawn Over China: How Communism Conquered a Quarter of Humanity ,” discuss the early years of the Chinese communist movement, the American reaction to its successes, and how our current understanding of the era greatly differs from our previous assumptions. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also support Lawfare by making a one-time donation a...

Apr 15, 202655 min

Lawfare Daily: Sam Altman with Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz

Senior Editor Kate Klonick interviews reporters Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz on their recent article in the New Yorker, titled “ Sam Altman May Control Our Future—Can He Be Trusted? ” In their 16,000-word piece, Farrow and Marantz create a cohesive narrative with receipts around Sam Altman, the products he's building at OpenAI, and how he's selling them not just to investors and the public, but also to regulators and world leaders. Klonick unpacks three key areas that are discussed in the pie...

Apr 14, 202650 min

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration, April 10

In a live conversation on YouTube , Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Senior Editors Molly Roberts, Eric Columbus, and Roger Parloff to discuss Judge Friedman rejecting the Defense Department’s revised press rules, the D.C. Circuit denying Anthropic’s petition for a stay pending review of the enforcement of its supply chain designation, Judge Sorokin rejecting the Justice Department’s attempt to obtain Massachusetts voter records, and more. You can find information on...

Apr 13, 20261 hr 32 min

Lawfare Archive: Aram Gavoor on the Biden Administration’s AI National Security Memo

From October 28, 2024: Aram Gavoor, Associate Dean for Academic Affairs at GW Law, joins Kevin Frazier, Senior Research Fellow in the Constitutional Studies Program at the University of Texas at Austin and a Tarbell Fellow at Lawfare , to summarize and analyze the first-ever national security memo on AI. The two also discuss what this memo means for AI policy going forward, given the impending election. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare ....

Apr 12, 202646 min

Lawfare Archive: Election Anxieties and the U.S. Postal Service with Kevin Kosar and Anne Joseph O’Connell

From September 1, 2020: On August 13, President Trump said in a news interview that he opposed supplemental funding for the United States Postal Service because such funding is needed for the delivery of universal mail-in ballots for the 2020 election. His comments sparked panic about whether the Trump administration is slowing Postal Service delivery in order to sway the election. Images of blue mailboxes being removed and anecdotes about slow mail delivery added fuel to the fire. Postmaster Ge...

Apr 11, 202655 min

Scaling Laws: How to Use, Govern, and Lead on AI? Rep. Begich Points the Path Forward

Representative Nick Begich, Alaska's at-large member of Congress, joins Kevin Frazier, Director of the AI Innovation and Law Program at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Fellow at the Abundance Institute, to discuss the current state of AI policy on the Hill. As one of the few members of Congress with a background in tech, Rep. Begich offers a unique perspective on this evolving regulatory question. The two also assess how Alaska may be a leader in developing AI infrastructure. ...

Apr 10, 202647 min

Rational Security: The “Deeply Iran-ic” Edition

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Daniel Byman, Tyler McBrien, and Natalie Orpett to talk through aspects of the week’s biggest Iran-focused news stories, including: “Situational Iran-y.” The world came into Tuesday evening fearing a major escalation in the ongoing U.S. and Israeli conflict with Iran. But instead, President Trump made a last-minute choice to accept a two-week ceasefire, conditional on the opening of the Strait of Hormuz—a condition that Iran indicated it was ...

Apr 09, 20261 hr 22 min

Lawfare Daily: Katherine Pompilio on Tracking Government Non-Compliance in Habeas Corpus Cases

What does it look like when the government violates court orders in more than 350 separate immigration habeas cases? On today’s episode, Lawfare Senior Editor Molly Roberts sits down with Lawfare Associate Editor Katherine Pompilio to discuss Lawfare ’s new interactive tracker , which documents what is known about instances in which the Trump administration has failed to comply with federal court orders in immigration habeas corpus proceedings. The two discuss why Lawfare built this tracker and ...

Apr 09, 202631 min

Lawfare Daily: Yaqiu Wang on Surveillance, Censorship, and Emerging Technologies in the PRC

Lawfare Senior Editor Michael Feinberg sits down with human rights advocate Yaqiu Wang to discuss the role of emerging technologies in China’s surveillance and censorship apparatus. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also support Lawfare by making a one-time donation at https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute . Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare . Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information....

Apr 08, 202648 min

Lawfare Daily: Arne Westad on ‘The Coming Storm’

Lawfare Senior Editor Michael Feinberg and Professor Arne Westad of Yale University, author of “ The Coming Storm: Power, Conflict, and Warnings from History ,” discuss 19th- and 20th-century power politics, the contemporary rise of China, and how the former can inform reactions to the latter. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also support Lawfare by making a one-time donation at https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute . Suppor...

Apr 07, 202647 min

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration, April 3

In a live conversation on YouTube , Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Senior Editors Molly Roberts, Anna Bower, and Roger Parloff and Lawfare Associate Editor Katherine Pompilio to discuss Lawfare ’s new database which is tracking the non-compliance with court orders by the government, Pam Bondi being fired as attorney general, legal challenges to President Trump’s new elections integrity executive order, and more. You can find information on legal challenges to Trump...

Apr 06, 20261 hr 38 min
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