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The Lawfare Podcast

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The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we have doubled down on seriousness at a time when others are running away from it. Visit us at www.lawfaremedia.org.

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Episodes

Lawfare Daily: ‘The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI’—A Conversation with Cory Doctorow

On this episode of Lawfare Daily , Senior Editor Kate Klonick and Senior Editor Alan Rozenshtein speak with Cory Doctorow—science fiction author, activist, journalist, adviser to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and the writer who coined " enshittification "—about his new book, “ The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI .” Doctorow argues that the most important thing about the AI boom isn't what the technology can or can't do, but the historic investment bubble and the new arrangements o...

Jun 30, 202656 min

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration, June 26

In a live conversation on YouTube , Lawfare Executive Editor Natalie Orpett sat down with Senior Editors Eric Columbus, Molly Roberts, and Roger Parloff to discuss the Supreme Court’s decisions on TPS for Haitians and Syrians and in an asylum processing case, a federal judge squashing portions of President Trump’s election executive order, John Bolton pleading guilty, an update in the criminal prosecution of the Southern Poverty Law Center, and more. You can find information on legal challenges ...

Jun 29, 20261 hr 22 min

Lawfare Archive: How's the Iran Deal Really Going?

From June 4, 2016: This week, the Brookings Institution held an event on a new Brookings report on implementation of the Iran Deal: The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) adopted by Iran and the P5+1 partners in July 2015 was an effort not only to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons but also to avert a nuclear arms competition in the Middle East. But uncertainties surrounding the future of the Iran nuclear deal, including the question of what Iran will do when key JCPOA restricti...

Jun 28, 20261 hr 28 min

Lawfare Archive: Camille François on Covid-19 and the ABCs of Disinformation

From April 16, 2020: On this episode of Lawfare 's Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Camille François, the Chief Innovation Officer at Graphika, where she works to identify and mitigate disinformation and misinformation online. On April 15, Graphika released a report on an Iranian influence operation focused on COVID-19, an operation blaming the United States for supposedly creating the virus and praising China’s response to the pandemic. Cami...

Jun 27, 202650 min

Rational Security: The “Happy FrAIday” Edition

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Kevin Frazier, Roger Parloff, and Molly Roberts to talk through some of the week’s big news in AI, including: “Citizen Cain’t.” When the NAACP sued Elon Musk’s xAI under the Clean Air Act—alleging that the company built dozens of gas-fired turbines to power a data center in Mississippi without relevant air permits and exposing nearby, predominantly Black communities to harmful pollution—the Justice Department opted to do something it has neve...

Jun 26, 20261 hr 20 min

Scaling Laws: 'The God Test': AI as Cosmic Reckoning, with Robert Wright

Alan Rozenshtein, Research Director at Lawfare, speaks with Robert Wright—author of "Nonzero," "The Moral Animal," "The Evolution of God," and "Why Buddhism Is True," and the writer behind the NonZero Newsletter and podcast—about his new book, " The God Test: Artificial Intelligence and Our Coming Cosmic Reckoning ," which argues that AI is an evolutionary threshold on the scale of the entire history of life, that we are collectively failing to grasp its magnitude, and that rising to the challen...

Jun 26, 202654 min

Lawfare Daily: Excavating Arctic Frost

Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes and Senior Editor Michael Feinberg discuss the methods and techniques the FBI used to investigate Donald Trump as part of the Arctic Frost investigation, and whether critiques of the FBI’s steps hold up. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also support Lawfare by making a one-time donation at https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute . Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare . Ho...

Jun 25, 202656 min

Lawfare Daily: Attorney General Blanche’s Purported Waiver of Pres. Trump’s Past Tax Liabilities

Brandon DeBot and Kelsey Merrick, of NYU’s Tax Law Center, speak to Senior Editor Roger Parloff about Attorney General Todd Blanche’s purported waiver of President Trump’s past tax liabilities on May 19, as part of a settlement of Trump’s $10 billion suit against the IRS. DeBot and Merrick discuss whether those who negotiated the deal might face criminal liability under 26 USC § 7217 or § 7212, and what steps Congress should take to investigate how the waiver came about and to stop it from takin...

Jun 24, 202642 min

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration, June 22

In a live conversation on YouTube , Lawfare Executive Editor Natalie Orpett sat down with Senior Editors Eric Columbus, Molly Roberts, and Roger Parloff to discuss the D.C. Circuit rehearing the case over Judge Boasberg’s criminal contempt inquiry into the Justice Department in sending Venezuelans to CECOT, a federal judge squashing grand jury subpoenas to top Minnesota political officials, updates in the Kennedy Center litigation, and more. You can find information on legal challenges to Trump ...

Jun 23, 20261 hr 26 min

Lawfare Daily: Military Education and American Manhood with Jasper Craven

On today’s episode, Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien sits down with Jasper Craven, a freelance reporter covering the military and veterans’ issues, to discuss his new book, “ God Forgives, Brothers Don't: The Long March of Military Education and the Making of American Manhood .” They speak about why the son of a peace activist embarked on this project, how military education helps explain our current political moment, and so much more. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material ...

Jun 22, 202654 min

Lawfare Archive: Kevin Xu on the State of the AI Arms Race Between the U.S. and China

From December 9, 2024: Kevin Xu, founder of Interconnected Capital and author of the Interconnected newsletter , joins Kevin Frazier, Senior Research Fellow in the Constitutional Studies Program at the University of Texas at Austin and a Tarbell Fellow at Lawfare , to analyze China’s AI ambitions, its current AI capacities, and the likely effect of updated export controls on the nation’s AI efforts. The two pay particular attention to the different AI development strategies being deployed by the...

Jun 21, 202642 min

Lawfare Archive: DOGE’s Attack on the Treasury Department

From February 21, 2025: Before January, most Americans had probably never heard of the Bureau of the Fiscal Service (BFS), a Treasury Department agency that distributes payments from the federal government. But over the last month, this corner of government has appeared again and again in the headlines, as aides working with Elon Musk’s quasi-governmental DOGE initiative successfully gained access to BFS’s payment systems. After a flurry of litigation , a temporary restraining order now bars the...

Jun 20, 202658 min

Lawfare Archive: Klein and Cordero on the Latest FISA Numbers

From May 31, 2022: A few weeks ago, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released the latest FISA transparency data . It was notable in at least two major respects: the continued decline of traditional Title I FISA applications—that is, warrants for individual surveillance—and separately, the rather large number of U.S. persons who had been searched under so-called 702 surveillance. To discuss the news, the data and what it all means, Benjamin Wittes sat down on Lawfare Live with ...

Jun 19, 202654 min

Rational Security: The “Predestination” Edition

This week, Scott sat down with cohost emeritus and Lawfare Research Director Alan Rozenshtein, Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien, Lawfare Public Service Fellow Julia Curlee, and Lawfare Contributing Editor and Vice President of Research, Security and Defense at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs Ariane Tabatabai, to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including: “Fission Accomplished.” After nearly four months of war, the United States and Iran have reached a deal ...

Jun 18, 20261 hr 15 min

Lawfare Daily: The Department of Justice, or the Department of Revenge?

Lawfare Senior Editor Michael Feinberg sits down with Devlin Barrett, a journalist and author of the new book, “ The Department of Revenge: How Trump Took Control of American Justice ,” to talk about the seismic changes in personnel and policy which have shaken the Justice Department over the past 18 months. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also support Lawfare by making a one-time donation at https://givebutter.com/lawfare-ins...

Jun 18, 202650 min

Lawfare Daily: A Breakthrough in Ukraine’s EU Accession Talks

Ukraine Fellow Anastasia Lapatina sits down with Chris Powers, the Brussels correspondent at the Kyiv Independent, to discuss the recent progress in Ukraine's bid to join the European Union and the many political dramas that surround that process both in Kyiv and in Europe. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also support Lawfare by making a one-time donation at https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute . Support this show http://s...

Jun 17, 202651 min

Lawfare Daily: For-Profit Cage-Fighting at the White House

Brendan Ballou, founder and CEO of the Public Integrity Project, speaks with Senior Editor Roger Parloff about his group’s case, Douglas v. National Parks Services , seeking to enjoin the UFC cage-fighting event on the White House South Lawn. Ballou alleges that the event is a “volcano of corruption,” the first for-profit sports event ever staged at the White House, and a turning point in American history. Ballou explains what laws and regulations he believes are being violated, and he addresses...

Jun 16, 202632 min

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration,  June 12

In a live conversation on YouTube , Lawfare Senior Editor Eric Columbus sat down with Lawfare Senior Editors Anna Bower and Roger Parloff to discuss litigation over President Trump’s name on the Kennedy Center, a judge denying a TRO in the lawsuit challenging the White House UFC fight, the status of the “Anti-Weaponization Fund,” and more. You can find information on legal challenges to Trump administration actions here . And check out Lawfare ’s new homepage on the litigation , new Bluesky acco...

Jun 15, 20261 hr 44 min

Lawfare Archive: The Return of the Syrian Civil War

From December 3, 2024: Lawfare Foreign Policy Editor and Georgetown professor Daniel Byman sits down with Charles Lister, Director of Syria and Countering Terrorism & Extremism Programs at the Middle East Institute for an update on the Syrian opposition taking Aleppo and the prospects for the civil war going forward. They discuss the status of the Syrian conflict; the nature of the key group, Hayat Tahrir al-Sham; why conflict happened now; and what might happen going forward. You can watch ...

Jun 14, 202636 min

Lawfare Archive: David Clements, the Evangelist of Election Refusal, with Anna Bower and Ben Wittes

From November 1, 2024: Lawfare Senior Editor Anna Bower and Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes sit down with Senior Editor Roger Parloff to discuss David Clements, who has led religiously inspired "trainings" across the U.S. teaching citizens how to stop local election officials from certifying elections the trainees consider fraudulent. Anna describes a training she attended, and Ben discusses, and plays clips from, his two-hour interview with Clements. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfar...

Jun 13, 202653 min

Rational Security: The “Forbidden Fruit” Edition

This week, Scott was joined by his Lawfare colleagues Benjamin Wittes, Michael Feinberg, and Molly Roberts to talk through the week’s big news in national security, including: “Blanche Check.” DOJ may soon have a new permanent leader, as President Trump has now formally nominated Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche to the role permanently. But to secure Trump’s support, Blanche has indulged some of Trump’s most concerning instincts, as evidenced by the attempt to establish an anti-weaponization...

Jun 12, 20261 hr 20 min

Lawfare Daily: How Escalations in Lebanon May Prolong the Iran War, with Joel Braunold

For today’s episode, Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sits down with Joel Braunold, the Managing Director of the Center Project, for the latest in their regular series on recent developments in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and related issues. Together, they dig into recent escalations between Israel and Lebanon and their bearing on the broader Iran conflict, including tensions between President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the impact on efforts at regional inte...

Jun 12, 202657 min

Lawfare Daily: Why Immigrants are Challenging the Conditions of their Detention

The Trump administration’s aggressive immigration enforcement policies have resulted in an unprecedented number of people being held in detention facilities. Now, lawsuits across the country are alleging horrific conditions in those facilities, including excessive force, unsanitary conditions, and denial of medical care. On today's podcast, Executive Editor Natalie Orpett speaks with Elora Mukherjee, Director of the Immigrants’ Rights Clinic at Columbia Law School, about the legal landscape of i...

Jun 11, 202651 min

Lawfare Daily: Congressional Resolutions to End the War in Iran

On today's podcast, Executive Editor Natalie Orpett speaks with Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson about what Congress can do to direct the president to end the war in Iran. Scott's recent article in Lawfare , “ What Congressional Resolutions Mean for the War in Iran ,” explained why a likely presidential veto of a War Powers Resolution is not the end of the story. The War Powers Resolution gives Congress other tools—including some procedural tricks—that could have a meaningful influence on ending ...

Jun 10, 202656 min

Lawfare Daily: Lies, Laws, and Campaigns

Senior Editor Michael Feinberg sits down with Andrew Weissmann to discuss Weissmann’s new book, “ Liar's Kingdom: How to Stop Trump's Deceit and Save America ,” falsehoods in political discourse, and how to possibly disincentivize lies on the campaign trail. To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare . You can also support Lawfare by making a one-time donation at https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute . Support this show http://supporter.acast.c...

Jun 09, 202652 min

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump Administration, June 5

In a live conversation on YouTube , Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Senior Editors Anna Bower, Eric Columbus, Roger Parloff, and Molly Roberts to discuss argument at the D.C. Circuit over the White House ballroom, the status of the Trump administration’s “Anti-Weaponization Fund,” the superseding SPLC indictment, and more. You can find information on legal challenges to Trump administration actions here . And check out Lawfare ’s new homepage on the litigation , new...

Jun 08, 20261 hr 36 min

Lawfare Archive: A Victory for Guatemalan Democracy

From February 12, 2024: On January 15, Bernardo Arévalo took office as the new president of Guatemala. The transfer of power had been far from assured: after Arévalo triumphed in August elections as an anti-corruption reformer, Guatemala’s political elite did their best to throw legal obstacles in his way and prevent him from taking power. His presidency represents a stunning victory for Guatemalan democracy, which has long been under threat. But there are plenty of difficulties still ahead. To ...

Jun 07, 202656 min

Lawfare Archive: Social Security, the ‘Death Master File,’ and Immigration Enforcement

From May 2, 2025: As the Trump administration seeks to escalate its immigration crackdown, the government has turned to a concerning source of information for data on immigrants: the Social Security Administration. Reports indicate that Elon Musk’s DOGE initiative and the Department of Homeland Security successfully pushed Social Security officials to provide access to what’s commonly known as the “Death Master File,” allowing the government to mark living immigrants as dead in the Social Securi...

Jun 06, 202653 min
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