[SPEAKER_02]: The Laurel Gary and Mark Classic Conversations podcast with Laurel Edwards Gary Claire and Mark Hein.
[SPEAKER_07]: welcome to the house of fun we have got to get the right to that so that does anyone know the you're a rugs man this I'll give him a ring mark are you still the anchor in this well I never really was the anchor during the show on the radio days anyway I just saw fool my way you do it you're the anchor I was the chick that just laughs all the time and Gary you're the funny guy [SPEAKER_07]: All right, I'll take that. [SPEAKER_07]: I'll take that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, got a great show for you. [SPEAKER_07]: This one, this is really, really special because we're doing a, we're going to replay a Steven Nixon of you. [SPEAKER_07]: A lot of the interview no one has ever heard before. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is what we love about this show. [SPEAKER_01]: Laurel Gary and Mark, classic conversations. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think you could get a bigger star than Steven Nixon Fleet would make.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know if you know much about commercial radio, especially breakfast, but four minutes,
[SPEAKER_01]: four and a half was a big interview said there was a lot you weren't allowed to do much more than that and I think Stevie goes 12 13 yeah fantastic never got to wear she talks about time how she came up with that beautiful style because you got to remember chicks in music were always forced to you know be a bit rock and roll um and have that leather look but why did she go for that lovely whimsical white witch look
[SPEAKER_07]: Also, we'll set it up when we get to the interview, but a lot of it, the start of the interview is actually us just getting the studio ready, not realising that Steve News was actually on the line listening to what we were saying, luckily we didn't say, there's a tip for people who are doing interviews, make sure you don't say anything about the artists because they could be listening, but we'll get to that very soon, but let's have a chat about what we've been doing this week, Laurel, I know you've got something that we're going to save it for later in the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because I went along more recently to a very special dinner. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a surprise night for a gentleman who's been big news in the music industry here in Brisbane. [SPEAKER_01]: He had a booking agency called Shawthing. [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about Greg Shaw, who would guide Keith Urban in his earlier years to his American deals that he got over there to the one that told him to stop singing duets with you. [SPEAKER_06]: You can't say you didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't do that. [SPEAKER_07]: That was a coincidence, Gary. [SPEAKER_01]: We were never saying together, but we did get a photo. [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen the photo. [SPEAKER_01]: You've seen the photo. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That's whipkey. [SPEAKER_06]: You've seen her butt. [SPEAKER_01]: That was one. [SPEAKER_06]: Another day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keith had the peroxide here and, and yes, a little bit, we had a very special surprise night for Greg recently and obviously for that reason, we're going to play a great Keith urban interview that we did with him quite a few years back now and he recently, of course, when he came out to Timworth when he was inducted into the role of renowned, he credited Greg Shaw as being a big part of his career.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we will play that for [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's a really great, and you got to listen to it. [SPEAKER_07]: He's actually a lot of fun and quite playful in the interview as well, I found that's really great. [SPEAKER_07]: So what has you got to do with the gorilla suit? [SPEAKER_07]: You will find out. [SPEAKER_07]: You will find out. [SPEAKER_07]: That's coming up in this show. [SPEAKER_07]: Andy Gary, have been up to anything during the week.
[SPEAKER_06]: I did something recently that I haven't done for 30 years. [SPEAKER_06]: No, it's not that. [SPEAKER_06]: It's something real. [SPEAKER_06]: Whoa. [SPEAKER_06]: But it could actually lead to this prem shopping. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes, I've had it reversed. [SPEAKER_06]: No, we're talking about. [SPEAKER_01]: How is Leanne feeling about this in her 60s? [SPEAKER_06]: No, Eloise, the daughter. [SPEAKER_01]: Is she asking you to pay for it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_06]: Because they can be spared. [SPEAKER_01]: Her and Kevin doing it because you know they're getting up around a thousand. [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, we saw the real Lamborghini versions. [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think they're going there. [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, that's something I haven't done for a while. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely. [SPEAKER_01]: And how do they feel about the name Laurel? [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: We actually don't know. [SPEAKER_06]: We call Sprout. [SPEAKER_06]: Sprout. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's very cute. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_07]: That sounds lovely. [SPEAKER_07]: And by the way, look, Strollers have gone up in price. [SPEAKER_07]: We always laugh when we see someone pushing this really expensive straw and thinking, the baby will grow out of that within about six weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: We are now from Shawna, my sister. [SPEAKER_01]: And both kids would fit in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when it would get a little bit hot because you'd have one baby lying down at the back and you'd have, you know, clay at the front. [SPEAKER_01]: And when it started getting a little bit hot, [SPEAKER_01]: a little awning onto the front of it. [SPEAKER_01]: It was so sweet. [SPEAKER_01]: It was full bits of timber and he would just pop rivet them into the frame of the pram and then put a little top over it. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a fascinating story. [SPEAKER_01]: How is Shona?
[SPEAKER_01]: You love my sister. [SPEAKER_01]: She's a dog. [SPEAKER_01]: She's a dog. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's great. [SPEAKER_01]: She's going well. [SPEAKER_07]: And now, by the way, that Strawler is used for tilling the dog on her chin. [SPEAKER_01]: Who can't walk? [SPEAKER_01]: How did you know? [SPEAKER_07]: I've seen you out on the walking part with it. [SPEAKER_01]: She's got the saw back leg. [SPEAKER_01]: She's a little jack-rass on. [SPEAKER_01]: She's done both ligaments.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she does need a prayer every now and then. [SPEAKER_07]: That was just trying to sit up. [SPEAKER_07]: I got a call from my mum during the week and she's doing really well. [SPEAKER_07]: It was actually the anniversary of my dad's death. [SPEAKER_07]: So we had a lovely chat and she was feeling the tear in all those sort of things. [SPEAKER_07]: But she said to me, she said, I said, I'm going to be watching about a TV this afternoon.
[SPEAKER_07]: I said, this is a big change because my dad ruled the remote control. [SPEAKER_07]: Of course he did. [SPEAKER_07]: No one was allowed near it. [SPEAKER_07]: That was his domain. [SPEAKER_07]: And now my mum's got it and she's gone, I found this new show that you may want to watch. [SPEAKER_07]: I said, oh, what's the call? [SPEAKER_07]: She gets home and away. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh no, really, the Danny Manogé for such a shit.
[SPEAKER_07]: I said to her, I'd speed her out for a little while, I think. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I have to agree with Mrs. Heine because I have discovered, you know me over the years. [SPEAKER_01]: We've been together doing Radar for 30 years, you and I guess, Mark, you and I 20 years. [SPEAKER_01]: And I must admit, every now and then I'd go back to home in a way.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then I'd watch for a little while and then stop watching and then I'd go back to it well on channel 7 they go back and then and they do it in themes for instance they'll play the home and away wedding so they'll play the home and away tragedies of which they've been car crashes there've been caravans that have blown up there's been cyclones there's everything has happened at some point and I do I am hooked on that mark
[SPEAKER_07]: Nice, but yeah, look, so we got past that, but then she said I'm coming to visit you and I said, oh, what are you doing? [SPEAKER_07]: And she said, her and her friend Gwen, her and Gwen, they've booked a train trip on the gun. [SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know whether I wanted to ask whether either of you have done it, they're flying to our late and then people go straight up. [SPEAKER_07]: Now, first up, gun, again.
[SPEAKER_07]: uh... i think it's the gun it's going by the to be commercial it's a gun there was a great david brightie song called the caran the gun and it got and something else gone yet uh... so you can help out of it was the end of it was again because it's a Afghanistan all so but i think it's one of those ones [SPEAKER_01]: But you could do the slim dustier and the Indian Pacific's right on time, but that's a different train. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember the gang guns stops in Brisbane. [SPEAKER_01]: No, they won't. [SPEAKER_07]: They'll get to Darwin and then they're flying to Switzerland. [SPEAKER_07]: Because apparently, when wants to see me, if I haven't seen her since I was a little kid, I said to my mama, I'm really not that interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, isn't it lovely that she's getting out and about? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: So look, that's what's been happening in our lives.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Alright, look, let's take a pause for a moment, have a little bit of a break, but coming back after the break, we are gonna be having a chat or replaying that great interview with Stevie Nix. [SPEAKER_02]: The Laurel Gary and Mark Classic Conversations podcast, powered by SAE University College. [SPEAKER_02]: Lead is in creative media and technology.
[SPEAKER_07]: Stephen X, one of the greatest interviews that we ever did on our station, I was nervous as anything going into this interview. [SPEAKER_07]: I think we all were a little bit. [SPEAKER_01]: Very much so. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you realise that pretty much every household has a copy of rumors, at least, I even had tusk, which I got really cranky when I got tusk. [SPEAKER_01]: And people started saying, [SPEAKER_01]: This albums weird, I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's with all the drumming and the marching bands and but it ended up being quite an amazing album. [SPEAKER_01]: It just took time because it was so different to rumours. [SPEAKER_01]: But I tell you one thing that really annoys me and I think we're gonna hear a lot more of this in the future and that is AI on your phone.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I opened up my Instagram for instance, I got all excited the other day when I opened up there was the poster of the whole band, Fleetwood Mac. [SPEAKER_01]: with Lindsey Buckingham and hovering above them in a cloud as in heaven was Christine V and underneath that it said the final tour now and then it said dates to come soon or whatever I started getting really excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for life, no money, I kept looking, googling, you know, if it would match, and nothing would come up as to a tour. [SPEAKER_01]: Only the old dates of, you know, 2014 or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: People do it because they can, you know, and it's, um, [SPEAKER_06]: It's just like those Laurel Edwood show sold out things that he's coming up. [SPEAKER_07]: And that's going to be AI. [SPEAKER_01]: Who would do that?
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, the reason I think they could be doing it is you may go Fleetwood Mac touring tickets are going on sale. [SPEAKER_07]: I bet a quickly buy a ticket through that. [SPEAKER_07]: Possibly. [SPEAKER_07]: And they might be able to scam you out of money. [SPEAKER_01]: That could be the way of the future, which is really scary. [SPEAKER_01]: But someone who I definitely know is touring, she's doing it at the moment, is Stephen X herself.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah look we're gonna get to that interview. [SPEAKER_07]: I've just thinking with AI they always make mistakes of putting like 10 fingers on one hand That's why they're busy backing them. [SPEAKER_07]: Good play the guitar. [SPEAKER_07]: So well Yeah, look she is touring and we thought we'd revisit an interview now.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is one of those really special interviews where we had to edit it for radio Sake down to a say a four or five minute interview, but we actually recorded 12 minutes of the interview [SPEAKER_01]: And also explaining the start. [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds a little bit messy. [SPEAKER_01]: We're in the studio ready to go We're pre-recording. [SPEAKER_01]: We had our time coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a different studio for us as well Which added to the confusion confusion and we didn't quite know When Stevie was going to be joining us on the line.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, there was strange whistling that I thought was you Laurel And I think he why is Laurel whistling and it's just you know it's to be quiet [SPEAKER_07]: And then I think, take a listen to it and this whistle you hear is actually Stevie Nix right at the start of our interview Okay, that's good We can do in here every morning.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, you're it's very nice And you'd have to improve your arm to throw headphones at me [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna long stretch cord here. [SPEAKER_01]: I said to Gary, why don't be a case of just finger up for a, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: For a question, it'll be like, ah, it's what's going on. [SPEAKER_07]: Someone's waiting. [SPEAKER_01]: Hello? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hello, is this Stevie Nix? [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's gonna be with you right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, fantastic, thank you. [SPEAKER_07]: Scarrys, what's like? [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, what the lady was talking to you? [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not, it's me. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I've been whistling all this time. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, me. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, it's Steve, he next week's thing, quick record it for a good length. [SPEAKER_07]: Quick, quick, quick. [SPEAKER_07]: All right, look, we're recording, we're running for it. [SPEAKER_07]: So whenever you got a little nervous now.
[SPEAKER_06]: How are you, Steve? [SPEAKER_06]: I'm good, how are you? [SPEAKER_06]: It's good. [SPEAKER_06]: We're talking in a studio we've never been in before, so it's a little foreign for us. [SPEAKER_06]: So we'll see how you get it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay, it's all right. [SPEAKER_00]: Foreign is good. [SPEAKER_00]: There we go. [SPEAKER_00]: It's an adventure. [SPEAKER_07]: All right. [SPEAKER_07]: As said, we're rolling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a little moment yesterday, talking to my 10-year-old girl, and I said, Gemmy, yes, who I'm speaking to tomorrow, she said, who I said, Steven, she went, mum, that is so fantastic. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe it. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe I was 10 years old when I first heard Steven, X and Fleetwood Mac. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking to her now, good morning, Steven! [SPEAKER_00]: Good morning. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm so glad to be here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Steve, I've got to say it's because Laurel's young daughter is his how old she is. [SPEAKER_06]: Ten years old. [SPEAKER_06]: Nearly the same thing I was talking about his son today who's 17. [SPEAKER_06]: And I said, I'm going into work. [SPEAKER_06]: I've got to interview Stevie Nixon. [SPEAKER_06]: He looked up from his grand theft auto game. [SPEAKER_06]: And he said, cool. [SPEAKER_06]: Tell a landslide's boss.
[SPEAKER_06]: So for the seven-in-year-old, that's pretty high praise that he looked up from his grand fifth order game. [SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic. [SPEAKER_00]: You tell him I appreciate that. [SPEAKER_01]: We may as well go straight with Lanslide Stevie because I've got one of the mothers at school picking up my kids. [SPEAKER_01]: for this interview because I couldn't be there and she said, oh my goodness, please tell Stephen next lens lies my favorite song in the whole wide world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard various stories one that you wrote about your dad and one that you wrote about Lindsay Buckingham, who was it? [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much Lindsay Buckingham, but my dad liked to think it was about him. [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of let him go with that and I didn't really tell the world the real meaning of it for a long time and Just only in the last couple of years actually have I started telling people what man's side really was about And it was while you were in Aspen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and obviously, you know, what did you just look up to the hills and and that's where the inspiration came from [SPEAKER_00]: I was in Lindsey had gone up there for him to go into rehearsal for a couple of weeks with the Everley brothers, and he was going to go out and do a short tour with him, but I didn't get to go. [SPEAKER_00]: So I was stuck in Aspen by myself for [SPEAKER_00]: two months for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have a lot of money, so I got a little job. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was going out to dinner with some friends and they had a beautiful house. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just said, you know, what can I just not go? [SPEAKER_00]: Can I stay in your living room and look at it this few and write a song? [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm really feeling very inspired. [SPEAKER_00]: and in the snow covered heels because I'm not really, I'm not from the snow and they said sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I stayed there for a couple hours by myself and I wrote landslide and I did write it about trying to figure out whether or not I wanted to continue my relationship with Lindsay because we weren't getting along very well and I was starting to go, you know, do I want [SPEAKER_00]: because he and I are not happy with each other right now, or should I really think about this? [SPEAKER_00]: Should I take the ego down off the mantle and try to figure out what is the problem here?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really considered breaking up with them, and then I thought, you know, we've been working for [SPEAKER_00]: It was 1973. [SPEAKER_00]: We've been working for five years on our sound and our singing and our songs and our music and we have come a long, long way and we made a great album even though Pauladore dumped it and us and but I forgive you, Pauladore. [SPEAKER_00]: But so really should I and you know something in me said don't give this up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a give it some time and yeah it was a [SPEAKER_06]: It was an incredibly prolific and successful time for you. [SPEAKER_06]: Do the best songs come out of pain, sadness, and conflict? [SPEAKER_00]: Not always. [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes they do. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because the pain, conflict, and sorrow songs hit you pretty hard. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when you can just sit down. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're a writer, you can just sit down and write pages and pages.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then on the other side of that, there's also the really blissed out glorious songs that don't come from that, that come from actually being really inspired by something. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you are an artist and you're a writer, you look for both sides.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look for the, you know, for the dark side and you also look for the light side and somewhere in between there come, come your songs and come your writings and come your journal entries and comes your your prose and your poetry. [SPEAKER_00]: And I've always felt very lucky because I'm not a writer who ever suffers with writer's block. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, if I'm not inspired to write, I don't write.
[SPEAKER_00]: I keep it journal and if I have a day where I don't think anything with writing down happened, I don't write. [SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end of the week I'll go, wow, you didn't write all week and then I'll write a little summation of what's happened all week. [SPEAKER_00]: Just so I have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because as a writer, that's important to do to just to make sure that when you go back over your journals, when you're 129 years old, you actually can put it together how your life went. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, it's always about the music, but image is very important when it comes to artists. [SPEAKER_01]: Over the years, especially with females in the rock and roll industry, they've felt they've had to.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're the leather, we're the denim, to butcher up a lot of it. [SPEAKER_01]: You've always maintained that beautiful feminine look of lace and frills, but they have still been very, very relevant. [SPEAKER_01]: If you, was that like a conscious thing to sort of, I mean, was there ever a time where a record company would sort of say, you know, you've got to be more rock and roll or was it just, this is who I am? [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: No, nobody ever told me how to dress.
[SPEAKER_00]: I pretty much, in the very beginning of Fleetwood Mac, I had an idea. [SPEAKER_00]: I had seen somebody years before in a really beautiful, kind of, bless you pink outfit that was very hanker-chaffee and very delicate, but she had really strong looking [SPEAKER_00]: cream-colored swayed platform boots on that were really foundation-based and that outfit with those boots I thought if I ever have any money that's how I want to look.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I first joined Fleetwood Mac I went on one tour with my street clothes that was a disaster. [SPEAKER_00]: So when I got home from there, I met a designer named Margi Kent and I just kind of told her I want, you know, I want a really cool black skirt and I want a little blackly atart to go with it and I want a black riding jacket and I want some black platform boots and I want a top hat and I want some gloves and a couple of chiffon scarves and that's I'm good to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that has really been the outfit that I have worn ever since. [SPEAKER_00]: I never felt a reason to change that. [SPEAKER_00]: My outfit is the kind of thing. [SPEAKER_00]: As if I put on a pair of spindly high heels, it would be very different. [SPEAKER_00]: But the boots always, I thought, made it a little more rough, a little more harder. [SPEAKER_00]: It all depends on the shoes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to always stay in that genre so that I was the dress was silky, but I looked strong. [SPEAKER_00]: I came across as a strong woman when I walked up to you. [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I was very tall and at five foot one, it's just tall, that was important too because I had a lot bigger of an attitude because I appeared to be tall and thin. [SPEAKER_00]: and it worked for me. [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't feel, you know, I was not matana.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel that I needed to be a chameleon. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel that I needed to change my hair and my look and my makeup and everything every time I went out. [SPEAKER_00]: So, for me, the clothes became very easy because I knew exactly what I wanted. [SPEAKER_00]: And the clothes that I had made were made for me and they're beautiful fabrics, strong fabrics, everything that I have. [SPEAKER_00]: I still have, it never fell apart.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all my stuff lasted, you know, and I was able [SPEAKER_00]: to take that look all the way from the very beginning through till now. [SPEAKER_00]: I just had a bunch of really beautiful new things made, but they're all basically the same things. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a lot of, for me, it's like, then it allows me to go on stage and sing and perform. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to worry about what I'm wearing because I know that what I'm wearing looks great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can then go on stage and really perform and be a performance artist as opposed to getting up there and going, oh, this is a horrible outfit. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I couldn't use to go to school and you'd go, I cannot believe I wore this to school. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna die. [SPEAKER_00]: I need to go home. [SPEAKER_00]: It's lunch and I'm going home and changing. [SPEAKER_00]: This is so bad. [SPEAKER_00]: So I never wanted to feel like that on stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, you know, leave all that in the bathroom. [SPEAKER_00]: And when you walk on stage, and you just can be yourself because you're confident with that. [SPEAKER_00]: And, and a performer needs that. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't need to be worried about your outfit. [SPEAKER_06]: You're coming to Australia and you're performing with Dave Stewart. [SPEAKER_06]: You've recently been in America performing with Rod Stewart.
[SPEAKER_06]: You did backing vocals with John Stewart. [SPEAKER_06]: What's next, a movie with Kristen Stewart? [SPEAKER_00]: The Stewart's are just everywhere in my life on day. [SPEAKER_06]: What's happening? [SPEAKER_00]: I know, Dave Stewart, when I got booked on the Rod Stewart tour, Dave Stewart's like, so what is up with that? [SPEAKER_00]: another sturt, and I'm like, I know, I don't know where all the sturt's are coming from.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's kind of Scottish Dave Stewart, you know? [SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, you know, really, I, you know, and it's funny, you'd say that about Christen Stewart because, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the whole Moonlight Vampire's Dream, all of that I wrote in, uh, I saw the movie new moon in Melbourne, and I wrote an essay that turned into the song Moonlight, and then I went, the poem Moonlight, I went on to Brisbane two days later.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote the song on the piano, and at the end of writing that I stood up and said to my assistant, I am ready to make a record now, and that was December 2009. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think I would've been, and I don't know if I was ever going to make another solar record honestly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that I can really say I dedicate this record in every way to Australia because had it not been for me being here that day and seeing that movie and then going to the sweet two days later with the piano, this record would not have happened and I wouldn't be talking to you right now. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the CBY Dave Stewart, what was it about Dave Stewart that drew you to him for him to work on himself?
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew him for a long time, and I, and I also, as I knew him through the years, I realized how really very responsible he was for all the like insanity crazy great things in the arid mix, and, you know, he's the reason that Annie Lennox cut her florling pair off. [SPEAKER_00]: And kind of said, why don't you wear like the suit and the whole thing? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's totally a fascinist, and then on the other side of that, an amazing musical guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had done a show with him where we had done a version of Rienan, and he played guitar and I played piano. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like 15 minutes, and it was really amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: And when we were done, I thought, if I do another record ever, I'm going to ask Dave's toward. [SPEAKER_00]: You've got two minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's all right. [SPEAKER_00]: That's our little elf and ladies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was used to if you don't have to. [SPEAKER_00]: No, but I could do that. [SPEAKER_00]: You've got two minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I said, you know what I need. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ask Dave to produce this record. [SPEAKER_00]: because I really think he gets me, he gets my music, he gets who I am, and we spent a year at my house in Santa Monica, California, making this record, and it was the best year of my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never had that much fun and laughed, that much, and felt that all that laughter and joy really went right on to the tape. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I hope when people hear in your dreams that they feel is the love and the just the friendship and what we had making this record how much fun it was. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really proud of it and we play six new songs on stage and Dave Stewart will be with us playing those six songs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there'll be three amazing guitar players on stage. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be an amazing show and I hope everybody comes out to see it because it's like a good show and it's a good way to hear some of these new songs. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can't wait, and for what it's worth, Stevie. [SPEAKER_01]: Ha, pardon the pardon. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a lovely acoustic, even a sort of a country-lilp-fuel to for what it's worth, which I absolutely adore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: That's Michael Campbell and me, Michael Campbell, from the Heartbreakers. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: And he wrote that track and sent that to me. [SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, thank you very much. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that song too. [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to have to finish it here, Steven Exit has been an absolute pleasure. [SPEAKER_06]: We so look forward to seeing you live on stage. [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for talking to us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait. [SPEAKER_00]: Come and come to the show. [SPEAKER_06]: I'll come to the show as long as there's not a woman that comes on and chase you have two minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: She won't be there that night. [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you very much for your time today. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you take care. [SPEAKER_00]: Bye bye.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well there you go, very raw interview that was with Stevie Nicks and love that little bit with the girl comes in and goes, you have a couple of minutes left to be interviewed and that's where it actually happens in interview. [SPEAKER_07]: So we always have to edit those little bits out just to peek behind the scenes there. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and look, the room is still going around part in the pun. [SPEAKER_01]: The Fleetwood Mac may get back together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember was that Stevie who said [SPEAKER_01]: It is no longer a band. [SPEAKER_01]: So we won't be touring. [SPEAKER_01]: She also when she kicked out Lindsay Buckingham in 2021 said that I'm sorry if the band ever gets back together. [SPEAKER_01]: He won't be in the band but something really special happened. [SPEAKER_01]: It it look it sent the internet into an [SPEAKER_01]: absolute frenzy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Gambino, now he's a landscape artist who works with Lindsey Buckingham. [SPEAKER_01]: He took to Facebook recently to share Lindsey Buckingham, a lead singer, guitar player, extraordinaire, solo, and Fleetwood Mac. [SPEAKER_01]: Long time client of Gambino landscape lighting, [SPEAKER_01]: two homes of Lindsay that this Michael Gambino does landscaping for.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's also the landscape artist for Stevie Nix, but he said that it's fantastic because Lindsay Buckham dropped by our job site today and we're chatting for about half an hour. [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a new album coming out in spring next year, along with a documentary about Fleetwood Mac. [SPEAKER_01]: I asked him, was there a possibility that they would [SPEAKER_01]: Stevie, who is also a client.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm getting the feeling that Michael is now going to run over to Stevie's place. [SPEAKER_01]: I hope to run into her and this landscape gardener is going to get a world tour together for Fleetwood Mac. [SPEAKER_06]: Friend, Dakota Bushes. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, not possibly. [SPEAKER_07]: That was a wonderful interview, and a little bit earlier in the show, Laurel, you mentioned that you were going along to a very special night for a music legend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was a fantastic night and a very, very strong Keith Urban connection. [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll have a chat with Keith as well. [SPEAKER_02]: The Laurel Gary and Mark classic conversations podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: Get off the digital treadmill and run better digital with margin media. [SPEAKER_07]: So a lot of the moment ago, you mentioned Keith Urban and you'd been to a special event with a music legend. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, an associate, a very, very close associate.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a very special night for a local music legend Greg Shaw. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Greg Shaw, back in the... [SPEAKER_01]: in the 80s, 90s had a booking agency called Shawthing, and he would book all of us bands and jewels for places around town like City Rollers, Victory Hotel, the Port Office, but Greg also was the first manager of Keith Urban. [SPEAKER_01]: From when he was a very young teen, right through talking over.
[SPEAKER_01]: to America where Keith started to make it big while Greg was still managing him. [SPEAKER_01]: He got his first number one on the country charts. [SPEAKER_01]: He also put him up in his house over there and Greg did a lot for so many musicians, but it was really lovely. [SPEAKER_01]: It was sort of an estranged relationship once Keith had sort of moved on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Greg came back to Australia and got into [SPEAKER_01]: Greg needs to be recognised in a big way, and especially after Keith gave him a big mention, and his role around induction at the Golden Gettars this year in Tamworth, we all felt it was fitting to have a very surprise this is your life for Greg Shaw.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was complete with live audience, of course, all his friends and family, plus also up on the screen, lovely messages from everyone from Rusty in the As Rockets, [SPEAKER_01]: It was a really terrific night, but it was a real surprise for Greg, but it was great to see that he was recognized, you know, by all of his peers, which was fantastic, but he's a little bit of the snippet that Keith actually mentioned at the Golden Guitar Awards this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's early believers. [SPEAKER_03]: I want to say all about all of us artists know that it takes the early believers seeing something in you and Nick was the first one. [SPEAKER_03]: to speak about me on air and in the paper and say really nice things. [SPEAKER_03]: The next decade I was in Brizzy, gigan and plant all the pubs and clubs for a bloody long time. [SPEAKER_03]: And I met a guy called Greg Shaw who became my next major champion and cheerleader.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did amazing things and I'm very grateful for Greg for everything he did. [SPEAKER_03]: Among all the stuff he did, he suggested I should go in this thing called a Toyota Starmaker, which I'd been in a few years before when Lee was in it, even a few years earlier, and then I go in the year that Troy's into bloody thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't catch a break, but it was such a pivotal moment for me because from there I got to get a record deal with EMI and I'm still with EMI records today, so thank you very much to EMI. [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that's really nice. [SPEAKER_07]: Nice to see Keith had some nice words to say. [SPEAKER_06]: And of course, Laurel, you've, as we've mentioned, had a connection with Keith for a long time, the photo, which you shared everybody. [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm showing it to me again now.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's, yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: Did you just have it in your pocket? [SPEAKER_01]: It was for Oxygen. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even want you to look fine. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know when though. [SPEAKER_01]: I probably would have been 1990 or something like that when Keith was living. [SPEAKER_01]: But we're all playing in bands around town. [SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't. [SPEAKER_01]: So to catch up too often. [SPEAKER_06]: And he and Troy also had had a connection.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Guy remember a few years ago because you and Troy and the family went to live other in Nashville. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was about three months back in 2010. [SPEAKER_06]: We did the radio show while you were over there. [SPEAKER_06]: We got renewed that connection. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we sure did. [SPEAKER_01]: It was really great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause, Keith, I say, I look, we're having a barbecue come on over and, um, and, uh, invited us and the kids to address up Halloween party. [SPEAKER_01]: And we all dressed up. [SPEAKER_01]: Troy went as a pimp. [SPEAKER_01]: I went as a black witch. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then I, of course, arrived. [SPEAKER_01]: A claywinter. [SPEAKER_01]: This is a dinosaur, by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Of course. [SPEAKER_01]: We've got as is he would.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, a Velociraptor to make it precise. [SPEAKER_01]: and Jim was a fairy or something. [SPEAKER_01]: I just used a little pumpkin. [SPEAKER_01]: When we arrived there, Nicole was complete in a black witch's outfit. [SPEAKER_01]: And kissing with the host? [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: I know. [SPEAKER_01]: A famous host, that her outfit was so much better. [SPEAKER_07]: She wouldn't have any access to wardrobe, which she had.
[SPEAKER_07]: And she was in the movie, which she had. [SPEAKER_01]: And we had witches, but anyway, we played lots of fun Halloween games and one of them, Keith was in a gorilla suit and it was Limbo. [SPEAKER_01]: And he could keep his just so competitive. [SPEAKER_07]: Now that's sort of a set up for the interview that we're about to play from Keith Urban right now. [SPEAKER_07]: Let's take a listen. [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, how are you? [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Doug, I'm well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Have you kept your happy out of the doghouse for the telly? [SPEAKER_01]: What telly?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our special guest this morning is an amazing singer-songwriter, part-time limbo competitor, but you know the funny thing is guys, I'm going to tell you the press release here says that he did well in Tamworth country music festivals in talent quest. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember him. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fellow by the name of Keith Urban. [SPEAKER_01]: Does it make any bell? [SPEAKER_06]: What's he done lately? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good, have you pushed any kids out of the way lately in limbo competitions? [SPEAKER_04]: Oh come on, Laurel, yes! [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Shopped them all aside to be a crowned limbo champ. [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't win that day though? [SPEAKER_04]: No, I didn't know I was floated by one of our other neighbours who... [SPEAKER_04]: Very, very nimble and supple much more than I am.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_06]: See, that's, you get, you wear those cowboy boots. [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's a couple of extra inches. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's just barefoot. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually, I think I remember it was a guerrilla outfit. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was, that was a made-up preview, did I think? [SPEAKER_01]: Keep that coming back to Australia. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what's it like for your growing up in Brisbane?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it an amazing feeling playing the Brisbane Entertainment Center, you know, a place no doubt as a kid you would have thought,
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I know, and I've seen, you know, so many concerts there too over the years, so it's definitely one of my favorite places to play, and I think we've put it at the end of the, of the Australian tour the last, maybe the last two or three times we've toured down there, we've always made it last, because we do a couple of nights, and it feels like a huge sort of far. [SPEAKER_04]: family, friend, party, reunion, not really. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is the, uh, is the conquest absolutely humongous at the front door for the entertainment center? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think we sell two tickets to give away about that 10,000. [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's where there's a second show. [SPEAKER_05]: That's how you get paying people for the second show. [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_05]: Get a person who's just family and friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, oh, now you've probably heard the rumours that the band you played in as a teenager we used to go and see you at the underground stuff, Rusty in the As Rockets getting back together. [SPEAKER_04]: They are. [SPEAKER_04]: I think they're playing those nights that we play and they start at 11 o'clock. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, I'm plugging their shows. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what do you remember? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, those days must have been your only like 16, 17, weren't you?
[SPEAKER_04]: I was, let's see, well, I joined the band, probably not as about 18 or 19. [SPEAKER_04]: And I loved it. [SPEAKER_04]: I had the best time playing in that band. [SPEAKER_04]: And we went down to Tazzy and played a couple of times when we toured all all through Queensland. [SPEAKER_04]: And it was a really, I learned a lot during that whole period. [SPEAKER_04]: So Rusty was just one of the great front men, and I learned so much being in that band.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm really glad they're getting back together. [SPEAKER_04]: I just wish I could, [SPEAKER_04]: I could come and sit in one of them for a couple of nights in, in, in, in, in, busy or somewhere. [SPEAKER_04]: So, no. [SPEAKER_06]: Well, speaking of your early informative years, I've heard a rumor that you actually spent time working at 4KQ. [SPEAKER_04]: I actually did. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, I got, if an intern can get fired and that was me, I got fired from my job.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was just like doing work experience. [SPEAKER_04]: It was ridiculous. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it doesn't happen now. [SPEAKER_06]: You can't get fired from here. [SPEAKER_06]: I've heard three people and nothing. [SPEAKER_07]: Also, Keith, you wouldn't have been able to handle the fame that comes along with this job. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's brutal. [SPEAKER_04]: Apparently, they tell me. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Can you just deal with it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, terrible. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, down town stones corner. [SPEAKER_01]: Therapy. [SPEAKER_01]: Keith, how's the new little addition to the family little faith? [SPEAKER_04]: She's great, she's a much quieter than Sunny was, so that's a bit of a win-win for us. [SPEAKER_01]: Getting a bit more sleep. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's a good sleep or two, so we've really been lucky with this one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they both just lovely, so I'm just stoked that I've gotten to be a dad, particularly with these girls. [SPEAKER_06]: You've got the family with you on this tour? [SPEAKER_04]: No, because Nick's actually shooting a film. [SPEAKER_04]: We're in San Francisco right now, and Nick's shooting a film up here for another couple of months.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we just basically relocated the whole family up here, and I'll actually be leaving from here to go down to Australia and coming back here when I finished but unfortunately, you know, she's next worker so she can't come down. [SPEAKER_06]: Will there be any special guests jumping up on stage with you when you perform in Brisbane? [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Some of that stuff I kind of just wing it, you know, and see who's available [SPEAKER_04]: I like to keep it a little spontaneous, so you never know. [SPEAKER_06]: You haven't given security laurels description, haven't you? [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, yes, but they still have it from last time. [SPEAKER_01]: I do have my charts ready for Don't Make My Brown Eyes Blue. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whether you boys know that one, but I'll put it out there anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd be able to play it for you, Laurel. [SPEAKER_01]: I have to sing you it. [SPEAKER_01]: I've got to ask you, Keith, all for the hall, the fundraiser you did for the country music Hall of Fame in Nashville. [SPEAKER_01]: you were sitting there like a kid in a lolly shot there you were in the backing band for Charlie Pride, Dolly Parton, Alan Jackson. [SPEAKER_01]: Is that, is that, was that amazing for you to be looking at these guys while you were playing?
[SPEAKER_04]: It totally amazing. [SPEAKER_04]: This is, this will be the third year we've done it this year coming up. [SPEAKER_04]: And the first, the first couple, which is, you know, it is a surreal experience. [SPEAKER_04]: And particularly, because then skills in the band too. [SPEAKER_04]: really it's predominantly Vince's band so that Vince and I kind of put the thing together and end up being sort of co-host to that I guess if you will.
[SPEAKER_04]: And to some degree it's just as surreal, no standing next to Vince and playing as well. [SPEAKER_04]: On the first year we did it and we launched into a bit of little eyes of Jane and I'm playing with him and he's like, looks at me and take a soul, I'm taking a soul and then I still went, oh my god I'm playing a soul, I'm in a middle of a Vince Guild song and there's Vince Guild singing the song.
[SPEAKER_06]: being an Australian, was there a sense of novelty about that when you first started? [SPEAKER_04]: It was probably more a sense of what the hell is this guy doing here. [SPEAKER_04]: I think the novelty thing would never really work. [SPEAKER_04]: To some degree, I had to keep reminding people I'm not trying to be an Aussie in Nashville. [SPEAKER_04]: hopefully I can find an audience here. [SPEAKER_04]: So it took a long, long time, you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm really grateful that I got to be able to stay and, you know, it is where it is today. [SPEAKER_01]: We've certainly found an audience. [SPEAKER_01]: Keith, we welcome you back home to Brisbane, the get closer to Friday the 15th, and Saturday the 16th, a couple of tickets available. [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's like three tickets available for that one through tickettech.com.au. [SPEAKER_06]: No, no, second cousins have already put their names in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, thanks for talking to us this morning and we look forward to seeing you back home. [SPEAKER_04]: Me too, nice to talk to you guys and we'll see you soon. [SPEAKER_07]: Well, there it is, Keith Urban. [SPEAKER_07]: What a great interview. [SPEAKER_07]: I love that interview. [SPEAKER_07]: Who hasn't been sucked from 4KQ? [SPEAKER_07]: Let's go around the room. [SPEAKER_07]: Laurel? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Gary?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: Greg? [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_07]: What about you? [SPEAKER_07]: Over in the corner James from SEA University. [SPEAKER_07]: He's only seven years of age. [SPEAKER_07]: Okay then. [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe not. [SPEAKER_01]: Look in fairness four KQ was sect.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, we weren't we weren't sat from four KQ the whole thing was sex And in fairness to me four KQ never said to me they told Mark Mark would ring me Because they never ran me because you don't have a mobile phone I pick up the phone to be max voice [SPEAKER_01]: We do miss it. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, next week. [SPEAKER_01]: That's been a fun show. [SPEAKER_01]: I've really enjoyed that little Gary Mark's a classic conversation next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any stopping this man so rod's Juliet. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's incredible. [SPEAKER_01]: He recently performing at Glastonbury with one of your faves Lulu. [SPEAKER_06]: Not saying he's all, but he thought it was colossal meat. [SPEAKER_06]: and he just turned up. [SPEAKER_01]: He's his mate, his old bandmate Ronnie Woods turned up. [SPEAKER_06]: You have on the faces. [SPEAKER_01]: From the faces. [SPEAKER_01]: You love your Lulu.
[SPEAKER_01]: You actually see the latest photos of her gaze. [SPEAKER_06]: I'll bring them in for you. [SPEAKER_06]: All the other boys want a due de-gation and to serve with love. [SPEAKER_06]: Not dancing. [SPEAKER_06]: I'll do Lulu boy. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll fix you the first. [SPEAKER_07]: It's not dating yourself at all. [SPEAKER_07]: By the way, if you just stumbled on the podcast, we've done some really big interviews, Brian Wilson, Bruce Johnston, Brian Cad was in our first podcast.
[SPEAKER_07]: Go back and listen to these, they're really great. [SPEAKER_07]: Second one, Mark Evans, and from ABCDC, as well as David Sol talking about Bobby Sherman, Stevie Nix, Keith Urban in that one, and as you mentioned next week, we're going to be doing Rod Stewart so it just gets bigger and bigger and we have had a lot of requests for a segment from our radio show that we've been neglecting to do.
[SPEAKER_07]: I personally put in a request saying where am I gonna hear Laurel's last word? [SPEAKER_01]: Not at all. [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't it in the first one and then forgot all the bad? [SPEAKER_07]: No, I think you're wrong. [SPEAKER_07]: I think people have been requesting Mark's classic nine and nine guessing game thingy. [SPEAKER_07]: Competition. [SPEAKER_06]: That wasn't very successful. [SPEAKER_06]: You know, we can't play music because of real music. [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I know that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, people will be requesting it. [SPEAKER_07]: Alright, it's been me. [SPEAKER_07]: I have a really great week. [SPEAKER_07]: We will catch up with you next week. [SPEAKER_07]: See you guys. [SPEAKER_07]: See you. [SPEAKER_07]: Laurel, last word. [SPEAKER_01]: Last word. [SPEAKER_01]: I never repeat gossip. [SPEAKER_01]: So listen carefully. [SPEAKER_02]: The Laurel Gary and Mark, classic conversations podcast with Laurel Edwards, Gary Claire and Mark Hline.