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Queensland considers ban on smacking children as criminal offence, Tony Abbott addresses crowd and criticises Greens at Sydney anti-abortion rally. Plus, survey finds half of Britons say they wouldn’t fight for their country. 

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Speaker 1

Wait, welcome the Late Debates. Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the Late Debate.

Speaker 2

James Macpherson with Liz Storer and filling in for Caleb Bond Danika di Georgio coming up tonight. Did you know you can be fined in Victoria for using your vacuum cleaner after ten pm? That's right, that's on the law books in Victoria, plus a lot of other crazy laws. Will bring to you a little later when we look at what's making news tomorrow. Adam Bant, of course is out of parliament. That's big news in all of tomorrow's papers, and of course Anthony Albanezi reshuffling his front bench.

Speaker 1

We'll get to all of that soon.

Speaker 2

But in big news from Queensland, experts want to make smacking your child a criminal offense. I hope my parents aren't watching because if this gets up, they could be in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 3

Actually think, hey, is it retrospective?

Speaker 1

Can can we make you retrospect? I've got to be honest, Liz, I just hope my kids aren't watching this.

Speaker 4

Currently, laws provide a key defense against assault charges when striking kids, allowing for reasonable corporal punishment, but experts want that defense scrapped, saying children deserve to have the same protections against assault as adults or pet.

Speaker 2

So here's the thrust of the argument from the Queensland Law Reform Commission, who are reviewing smacking laws nationally. They say smacking should be against the law because it's akin to beating.

Speaker 1

Wives and slaves.

Speaker 2

That's according to more than one hundred health and welfare experts who have had input into this review of domestic discipline laws lives. I just think keep experts away from parenting of children. But anyway, what do you think should smacking be illegal?

Speaker 3

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

Speaker 5

This is how kids have been disciplined for centuries, to great effects.

Speaker 3

And nobody knows a child better than its parents.

Speaker 5

So every parent knows there's plenty of really soft natured kids. One stern word and that precious bottom lip comes out. It's all over, discipline done. But if you're unfortunate like my parents.

Speaker 3

Were, to have a child like me, you need to.

Speaker 5

Employ some physical discipline.

Speaker 3

I was one of those kids.

Speaker 5

I tested them on a daily basis, and Lord knows, I'm sorry as an adult, but in our house it was Proverbs twenty thirty, which stays blues that wound cleanse away evil and strokes mets make clean the most inner parts.

Speaker 3

That's what my mum would say.

Speaker 5

She's like, strikes cleanse the inner parts. Ie, this is discipline. None of the other kids got smacked half as much as I did.

Speaker 3

But I was one of those.

Speaker 5

Kids, and parents know when they've got one of those kids and a good smack is called for. And I find that incredibly ironic that this is coming from the state that has the worst.

Speaker 3

Juvenile crime rate in the nation.

Speaker 5

One wonders if those parents had employed a few smacks in their younger years, if those.

Speaker 3

Juveniles would be acting out in the way that they are.

Speaker 5

It's tried, it's true, and like I say, it's not forever, Rekid, But I'd love to know how many of these healthcare experts and whatever they consider themselves are parents and b have parented a strong willed child.

Speaker 2

I can imagine why you would have needed a lot of smacks growing up, Lizbeth Denika, I'm sure you would never have needed discipline.

Speaker 6

No, I was actually a really good kid, as you can probably imagine.

Speaker 7

I was an angel, you know, I was.

Speaker 6

I was to be fair, I think maybe my parents smacked me maybe once, and I never did it again. I was just well, kid, oh god, I want kid. One little smack. Now, look, here's what I will say.

Speaker 7

This is what bothered me about these so called experts. It's one line.

Speaker 6

It says the experts said in their submission that corporal punishment is ineffective, harmful, and a violation of children's rights. Now, this is what these experts don't understand. There is a very big difference between child abuse, where a child is actually physically harmed, to a little tap a tap a minu smack, two very contrasting things. And this is what they don't understand here. Let parents be parents, Let parents be the judge. Let parents decide what is best for their kids.

Speaker 7

There is nothing.

Speaker 6

Wrong, in my opinion, with a little tap. Don't do that again. In fact, what I think is even more concerning is the soft parenting these days. You go to the shops and you've got these little devils running around driving everybody nuts, and you've got the parents going, oh, love, no, please don't do that. I've asked you really nicely. Drives me insay, that is worse. If that was my kid to go do that again, try that one again.

Speaker 7

But this is the problem. It's soft parenting. So I actually think that is worse than a.

Speaker 6

Little smack, a little bit of discipline, and actually talking to my parents about this, and my dad even raised a good point is that when I was at.

Speaker 7

School, we used to get the bellots, we used to.

Speaker 6

Get the gray can. Let me tell you this, we never did it again. We pulled our socks up. So discipline so that they don't grow up being little devils.

Speaker 2

Tell you, I've been at the shops, I've seen the kids you're talking about, and I've felt like volunteering to you know, have.

Speaker 1

You go at smacking that child.

Speaker 2

I think the experts here are confusing a couple of things. They're confusing discipline with violence. So they make the point that smacking your child sends the message that violence is acceptable, except any normal parent when they smack their child, it's not an active violence, it's an active discipline. Those two things are very different. The second thing they're confusing.

Speaker 1

Is love with abuse.

Speaker 2

Yes, you don't smack your child because you want to abuse your child. You smack your child because you love your child enough to correct them and to teach them boundaries and consequences exactly. You don't discipline your child because you don't love them. You discipline them because you do. I used to go to a Christian school and we used to get the paddle if we misbehaved, and one time the entire class got the paddle. We played war

at lunchtime. We're throwing rocks at each other's heads and sticks.

Speaker 1

Everything in the class. I was the first one.

Speaker 7

Right, how many times did you get the paddle?

Speaker 2

So here was the thing we were eached to get four wax on the bum with the paddle, right, this is grade five. I get taken in first, I bend over, and what they did was they would hit you, and then you would have to give the teacher a hug and say thank you for caring enough about me to discipline me.

Speaker 1

And then they were there, so they were correcting you full on.

Speaker 2

Here anyway, I got smacked twice, by which point they meant to be four. But I cried so much they couldn't bear smack me again. But because I was first up, they couldn't smack me twice and everyone else four times, So I was the hero of the class.

Speaker 3

Name about punishment, you know.

Speaker 6

The problem with it's this soft approach, right, The kids do actually grow up to be little brats thinking that the world revolves around them because they've never had any discipline, they've never had someone to this is right from wrong. Don't do this again, and this is the problem, and I do. I think you raise a good point. There's a difference between love and child abuse and that and let parents make that say.

Speaker 1

Don't know the difference you've got. No, you should be a parent, parents, but you.

Speaker 7

Shouldn't be a parent if you don't know the difference.

Speaker 1

As well.

Speaker 2

The other thing they say to the commission's review is they say that smacking is quote out of step with

current societal beliefs. Will God help us if everyone's got a parent their kids according to current societal beliefs, because that's just going to be, you know, lowest common denominator, right, Exactly, you parent your children according to the principles of your family and what you genuinely believe is in the best interests of your child, not according to a poll taken by experts of what everybody reckons should happen.

Speaker 3

Yeah, usually ridiculous.

Speaker 5

And I always say on these topics, if you want to talk to me about children's rights. You're all better be avid supporters of pro life because surely we can read that the right to life trump's all rights. Surely well, no, not if your New South Wales mlc Amanda Cone. She's tabled a bill in Parliament which is being debated this evening, which would make it impossible for any hospital in Australia

to refuse to facilitate abortions. There are other elements of this amendment to the abortion laws here in New South Wales, but that is one of the primary ones. And of course this poses a huge problem because there are over eighty five hospitals here in Australia that are operated by the Catholic Church. There are obviously other hospitals that are run by other.

Speaker 3

Faiths, so we know who this bill.

Speaker 5

Is targeting, which is why last night, when the second rally opposing this bill took place on the steps of New South Wales Parliament, you can see.

Speaker 3

The crowds there. There were thousands in attendance. This was a.

Speaker 5

Gigantuan effort by the pre eminent pro life voice here in Australia, doctor Joanna Howell. She's led the charge on opposing this bill, and who shows up to speak strongly to this issue none other than former Prime Minister Tony Abbot himself.

Speaker 3

Here's what he had to say.

Speaker 8

May God bless you, May God bless our country, and may God bless our society from this shameful act of decline.

Speaker 1

I deem you were ready to think that there are.

Speaker 3

Thousands tell you his country and the sud It's a shameful attempt to cancel Christianity.

Speaker 7

It's an assault on our fundamental rights.

Speaker 8

And freedoms, and my friends, it must be fought.

Speaker 3

It must be.

Speaker 5

Fought here here, Tony Abbot. Now we all know that abortion is readily available and incredibly affordable throughout the nation thanks to government subsidies your tax dollar, whether you agree with it or not.

Speaker 3

So we know.

Speaker 5

Again who this bill is targeting. And Tony Abbott didn't waste words once again when he.

Speaker 3

Was speaking to Kredlin on this issue last night.

Speaker 8

It's trying to force health professionals with a conscientious objection to abortion to facilitate, not just to refer, but to actually facilitate people having abortions. Fundamentally, it's designed to force Christian people out of the healthcare system. It's designed to force Catholic and other Christian hospitals, other religious hospitals out of the healthcare system unless they are to sacrifice their principles.

Speaker 5

Good news tonight that part of the bill that provision that Amanda Cone has put up has been defeated, the one that would have given powers to the health minister in New South Wales to force all hospitals to facilitate abortions.

Speaker 3

But as doctor Joanna.

Speaker 5

How explained to Kredlin this evening, there are three elements of this bill that must be defeated.

Speaker 3

Have a watch. You mentioned four elements of the bill.

Speaker 7

You're defeated one. What are the other three?

Speaker 1

Look?

Speaker 9

The second aspect of the bill removes all to hard to keeping requirements on abortion, just essentially pushes it underground. The third element forces doctors to be involved in abortion

that to actively transfer, which makes them morally complicit. And the fourth element, which is the one I'm most worried about, because my sources tell me that this is the one that Chris Mins and Labor want to push through, is the ability to turn nurses and midwives into abortioness if this passes, this will make it even easier to end the lives of innocent babies in this state.

Speaker 5

Indeed, at the moment, you must be a doctor in order to perform abortions here in Australia.

Speaker 3

This bill seeks to change that as well.

Speaker 5

Strength to the arm of absolutely everyone opposing this, Like I say, it's already available, already affordable throughout the nation. This bill is an absolute abomination and I hope none of these amendments to the abortion laws here in New South Wales get up.

Speaker 2

New South Wales already has incredibly liberal abortion laws.

Speaker 3

Abortion does yes right up until.

Speaker 2

The point of birth, and yet the Greens say no, no, that's not enough. The Greens want abortion to be available within a reasonable distance of everybody within New South Wales. It's not enough that abortion is not illegal. They want it to be a medical right, as if it's healthcare. In fact, the Australian College of Midwives who support this bill so that midwives who are charged with delivering babies would also be empowered to end the life of a

baby before it's born. They describe abortion as quote unquote abortion care, and so not only are babies being killed, the English language is dying as well. The idea that they would remove all data is no accountability to know how many abortions are happening. What about babies born alive that's been a big issue after a foiled abortion, there would be no data on that.

Speaker 3

I can understand what they.

Speaker 1

Do to be made public.

Speaker 2

And of course the Greens MP who's pushing this, lamented the fact that only three of two hundred and twenty public hospitals in New South Wales routinely provide abortion and advertise the facts. So the Greens want hospitals to be advertised in the fact that you can get an abortion here as if, as I said, this is a standard healthcare practice. Tony Abbott once said abortion should be legal but rare. The Greens seem to want to make it not only legal, but a human right and abundant.

Speaker 7

Yeah.

Speaker 6

Look, I've got to admit I'm a bit different to you both when it comes to the abortion issue. I do not have an issue with medical abortions up to nine weeks, which is the general standard. It is something that I believe, you know, that's just my personal opinion. I firmly believe that a woman should have a choice. It is a woman's body. She should be able to do what she wants with it. However, I do. I

do take issue with this Greens bill. I take a lot of issue with it because a woman, in my opinion, should have right to go to a facility to have an abortion if that is what she wants.

Speaker 7

To do at a safe facility.

Speaker 6

However, the issue is that they should not expect religious staff or people of faith, or midwives or nurses who do not want to terminate a child.

Speaker 7

Then I believe that they shouldn't have to.

Speaker 6

Then they shouldn't be going to those places, and those workers should not have to if their conscience says I cannot go ahead with this, then we should be able to respect that. I think the Greens are very dangerous to ram this bill through. The Greens have been dangerous on this issue. And I'll even admit that if though I have my personal views on it, putting healthcare workers in an impossible position, I just cannot even imagine what that decision would be like. I mean, imagine being faced

with that impossible choice. So I think the Greens have taken this to an absolute new level. I do not agree with that, but if you're asking me for my opinion on it, then I don't have a problem with a medical abortion up to nine weeks.

Speaker 2

Well, the Greens certainly want to push the limits on.

Speaker 3

This and.

Speaker 5

Unfortunately that Danika, A lot of people would support that. It's a very secular view, that's that's what a lot of people would rally behind. But unfortunately, in every single state and territory in Australia.

Speaker 7

That's not the law.

Speaker 3

The law is far more liberal about late term abortion.

Speaker 7

Which I disagree with.

Speaker 3

I would put that on the red talking eye.

Speaker 5

I agree, and they still want to believe, oh club ourselves.

Speaker 6

I totally agree late term abortions make me feel sick.

Speaker 7

I completely disagree with that. It makes me feel absolutely sick.

Speaker 6

Talking medical abortions up to nine weeks, I'm not talking. I completely agree there, and I do think it is dangerous.

Speaker 2

I'm definitely curious to see how a Catholic premiere in chris Min's well will handle this problem.

Speaker 6

The problem is a very difficult topic, very difficult topic for politicians.

Speaker 7

None of them want to get involved in it. And you look what happened in the Queens.

Speaker 6

But the Queens, look what happened to David Chris Afay right David Chris a fall in Queensland This was raised during the Queensland election campaign and it could have been a disaster for the L and p up in Queensland because I don't want to touch it because it is such a sensitive issue. Well gut for no, gut for sure, No, but to.

Speaker 5

Get out in politics every hot topic is you're going to be like, oh, I care about saving my own hide more than standing up for what's right.

Speaker 3

That's what we saw in Crucify.

Speaker 5

I said for shame then and I repeat it now, like for shame. If you aren't going to stand by your convictions best in the past, when it's actually going to cost you, then guess what, you don't have it.

Speaker 6

No, look I don't disagree with that, but look it's a topic that politicians purchased, male politicians of particular, I hate talking about and I can understand why.

Speaker 7

But look, let's move on.

Speaker 6

We need to talk about the latest of course, with Jacinta Nampa Jim for Price, because this evening she gave that bombshell news that she was leaving the Nationals Party going to join the Liberal Party, saying that she wants to help rebuild of course, after the shocking election loss. At the weekend, here she was speaking to Peter Kredline a little earlier.

Speaker 10

I've always felt like the Liberal Party room is my natural home, given you know, the Liberal Party is the freedom Party, the party of responsibility. Given the current circumstances, I think now more than ever, when it's strong people within the Liberal Party, we need to be able to rebuild. We need to ensure that we don't lose support.

Speaker 6

Now, she sort of foreshadowed this news earlier in the week, and you can imagine she has great leadership ambition. She is one of the very rare voices of reason in this country.

Speaker 7

Now.

Speaker 6

It has been reported that she could run on a unity ticket with Angus Taylor, who set to be running for the leadership role of the coalition, and running with her as his deputy otherwise if not, of course, says Susan Lee in play, possibly Dan Tean, But you'd think with the star power that Jacinder Price brings, it's a pretty good unity ticket to be running on. No matter what you think about Angus Taylor. The problem is where

does this leave the Nationals. The Nationals leader David little Proud put out a statement this evening saying that he was very disappointed by the decision.

Speaker 7

But it was Matt Canavan.

Speaker 6

Earlier on he told The Daily Telegraph he described Jaciner Price as being like the Lydia Thorpe of the Nationals Party.

Speaker 7

But here he was on Shari and he didn't hold back.

Speaker 11

She's doing a sperm She's doing this for her the rubbish. She's doing it for her ambition and good luck to her, good luck to her. But people are sick and tired of that. She's going to run for a party she hasn't even not even a member of yet, She's not even a member of yet she's going to.

Speaker 7

Run for the leader of that party.

Speaker 11

Just a week ago Jacenta was using National's party funds to be elected.

Speaker 6

Now I've got to sales surprised by those comments by Matt Canavan. Why can't she have leadership ambitions and who's to say that she won't do well? I think that just enterprise, as I said, is one of the only voices of reason.

Speaker 7

In this country.

Speaker 6

She basically single handedly won it for the No campaign during the Voice to Parliament referendum. She inspired Australians and I also think that she is a leader who unites this country.

Speaker 7

She doesn't see us by the color of our skin. She doesn't want to divide us by race. She says we are all one.

Speaker 6

She says we need to stand in front of the Australian flag.

Speaker 7

She wants to make Australia great again.

Speaker 1

Who would have thought, what a.

Speaker 6

Revelation making Australia great again. But this is a woman that I honestly think people could look up to. Young women in particular can also look up to her. Now, the issue here is how this all plays out, in particular with the Nationals Party. Now, if you've got Matt people like Matt Canavan already speaking out. Now, we know that the Nationals did quite well over the weekend in the election. The majority of them actually won their seats except for Peren Davy for example.

Speaker 7

But they're the ones.

Speaker 6

Actually propping up the coalition at the moment because the Liberals have not done very well. Does this now threaten to put a split in the party should she indeed run on this.

Speaker 7

Unity ticket, I'm not sure. I don't know.

Speaker 6

Where this leads the coalition, but that leadership showdown is happening to get ten am on Tuesday morning, so get your popcorn ready. But I think she would be brilliant. I honestly think she could be a future prime minis Weet.

Speaker 1

Well, here's my question.

Speaker 2

I'll ask you this, Liz, Are we a little hypocritical on this one? Because I imagine that you will say this is great, this is her opportunity to be thrown into national leadership, et cetera, et cetera. But I remember Fatama Payment when she left the Labor Party. She'd been elected as a Labor senator, then went independent, and we all said that's wrong. If you're elected for a particular party, you shouldn't then switch your being dishonest, you're letting down voters.

But now I suspect we're going to applaud Senator Price for doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 1

Is there a difference?

Speaker 5

Well, I can't remember what I said about that of a payment, but she was kind of ejected really as well when it came to that Green PORP.

Speaker 2

We typically have criticized people who are elected to one party and then they move to become independents.

Speaker 1

What's the difference here with what Senator Price is doing.

Speaker 3

I don't know that I have.

Speaker 5

I remember supporting Corey Bernardi when he split with the Libs because he'd tried for well over a decade to affect change within he'd clearly given up, and that guy already had his own brand, And I argue, then I batched the renegade. I was like, good on you, you already have your own brand. You think you can do better by Australia by making this move, And he had a good go of it until he just bowed out.

Speaker 3

But I would say the same of Justinter.

Speaker 5

She thinks she can affect more change doing it this way.

Speaker 3

It's about the welfare of the nation. It's not just.

Speaker 5

About Canavan, which I found very disappointing.

Speaker 3

You know, I love you, Matt, back you.

Speaker 5

All the way, but on this one, I just thought it sounded like sour grape. She's still in the coalition family and in position like she may well go on to win with the Liberal Party. I mean, they'd be nuts not to give her a leadership position, even though she'd be brand new in the Libs, although I dare say for most Australians it would be a massive surprise for them to learn she's.

Speaker 7

Not a LIB already.

Speaker 5

I mean most of us think of just Inter number Jipper Prices already being a LIB.

Speaker 3

So she's coming home.

Speaker 5

Basically, I think that's how most people will see it.

Speaker 3

But I got to say.

Speaker 5

Personally, I'm disappointed because my dream team in about two terms time was Prime Minister Andrew Hasty with Just Centerprice as deputy. Because we know deputy must go to a NAT that's the nature of the coalition agreement.

Speaker 3

So my dreams have been crushed today.

Speaker 6

Can I just answer your question that you just about Fatima Payment and the difference? This is what I think when Fatima Payment defected from Labor, she defected but.

Speaker 7

Was running on in my opinion, not a.

Speaker 6

Platform for all Australians because she was looking to put Muslim vote first. She was running on a platform to support Gaza, to support Palestine, whereas de center Price is running on a platform.

Speaker 7

For all Australians. Yeah, and that name is the.

Speaker 6

Big difference between Fatima Payment and just Center put.

Speaker 2

The other difference is if you're moving from the Nationals to the Liberal Party, you could argue it's almost zero difference at all in terms of if you've voted for this Enter Price, you wouldn't feel like suddenly she's on a completely different platform. Surect and my interests are not going to be represented the way I think what they would be it's the same thing, just a different strike.

Speaker 6

Yeah, but it was very different with Fatama payment because that wasn't for Australia first.

Speaker 2

Indeed, well, the people in the UK are celebrating ve Day, the end of the Second World War, but I'm not sure those celebrating eighty years ago would have imagined that.

Speaker 1

In twenty twenty.

Speaker 2

Five, about half of Brits would say, you know what, if there was a war today, we wouldn't fight for our country, not under any circumstances. And yet that's exactly what a recent poll has found. Forty eight percent of people polled in the UK said under no circumstances would they ever be willing to take up arms to go to war. The numbers are particularly large amongst young people aged eighteen to twenty four.

Speaker 1

I guess back in at the end of.

Speaker 2

World War two people would have been shopped, but I'm not sure where that's surprised these days to hear that result here in Australia. In twenty twenty four, the IPA did a survey and found that fully thirty percent of Australian said they wouldn't bother fighting for this country. In fact, forty six percent said if a war broke out, they would get out of the country as quickly as they could, rather than stay and defend it.

Speaker 1

And I think the reason goes Liz to the.

Speaker 2

Point that you fight for what is yours, But if you don't feel like the country is yours, if you feel like it's been handed over to I don't know, globalists and being run by technocrats in Brussels, if you feel like the political system no longer listens to ordinary people but has its own agenda, where they give lip service to the will of the majority but continually just do their own thing anyway, Eventually you start to feel quite disenfranchised, and you start saying things like, and I

hear this all the time at my local coffee shop, this isn't the country it used to be, and we're surprised people wouldn't fight for it.

Speaker 3

I'm not surprised at all.

Speaker 5

Nobody signs up to die for a melting pot of cultures and creeds, some of which openly hate their guts, and others they simply have no affinity with whatsoever they can't find common ground. To be clear, this has nothing to do with the color of anyone's skin and the complete lack and everything to do.

Speaker 3

I should say, with the complete.

Speaker 5

Lack of assimilation that governments throughout the West now require on the immigrants that flood into the West from all different countries around the world. This is now being seen in militaries around the world.

Speaker 3

No one wants to sign up.

Speaker 5

Britain is about to see historic lows in their armed forces, not seen since the Neapoleonic era.

Speaker 1

And we all know why.

Speaker 5

It was Jolly Lowe back there and everyone was dead. But in this case it's simply people looking around going I would fight for my country if it was still my country. But exactly like you say, people feel completely disenfranchised.

Speaker 3

Wars of the past were.

Speaker 5

Fought by men and women who went to war for a homogeneous culture. When they said they were fighting for God and country, they meant one God, and by country they met culture. We know that a country isn't a slab of land. If I took Sweden and filled it with Arabs, would it still be Sweden. No, no one's speaking Swedish, no one's eating Swedish food.

Speaker 3

There's nothing Swedish about it anymore. If I took Mexico and filled it with.

Speaker 5

Say, pakistanis just plucking one out of the air as an example, there would that still be Mexico.

Speaker 3

No, And so in these Western cultures.

Speaker 5

That have methodically seen their own government facilitate that Western cultures.

Speaker 3

Demise in their own country.

Speaker 5

Naturally they're like, no, fifteen years ago, Yes, I would have fought for this country and died in a ditch happily.

Speaker 3

And I'm one of those people.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 2

There's a big discussion at the moment right around the Western world about the need to rearm right and so in Europe they're spending more money on defense.

Speaker 1

Here in Australia, it's in the news regularly.

Speaker 2

What we're not talking about, what we're talking about munitions, reilement. But there's a cultural realmment that needs to take place.

Speaker 6

The other issue is is that I think we are same here at Australia and obviously in the UK.

Speaker 7

We've been educated to be ashamed of our history.

Speaker 1

That's the cultural realment.

Speaker 6

And this is exactly and this is the problem, and it's coming from classrooms, it's coming from universities. Kids from such a young age are being brainwashed to hate this country and think that we are the enemy. And this is where this is where the problems start. And the other issue is that kids wouldn't even know what they

are fighting for these days. They don't understand what it would be like to be patriotic for your country because they're told that they should be a shamed for the country that they that they were raised.

Speaker 2

And we thought Adam band who's now out of Parlia, well, Adam Banter, remember the leader of a fairly major political party in this country, and refuse to stand in front of an Australian flag.

Speaker 7

This is what I mean.

Speaker 6

And you're going to toll your it's your fault. You have to apologize to the stolen generation. You've got kids saying no, you have to apologize. No wonder and you've got at rallies they're saying bring down the colony.

Speaker 3

Colony.

Speaker 7

I hope the colony dies. The colony is us. We are the colony. And this is the problem.

Speaker 2

Well, speaking of problems, we've got one less problem with Joe Biden no longer in the White House, but he hasn't gone away completely. He sat down for a long form interview with the BBC and I was surprised at how lucid he was sounding. He actually managed to put whole sentences together. Here's a little bit of what he had to say. I found this interesting. He talked about his decision to walk away from the leadership of the Democrat Party into not contest, thereby allowing Kamala Harris to

run for president. Should you have withdrawn earlier given someone else a bigger job?

Speaker 12

I don't think it would have.

Speaker 3

Mattered.

Speaker 12

I remember what I said when I started that I think is I'm preparing to hand this to the next generation. It's a transition government. But things move so quickly that it made it difficult to walk away. It was a hard decision.

Speaker 1

But regrets.

Speaker 12

No. I think it was a great decision.

Speaker 2

Joe Biden making it sound like it was his decision to walk away, I'm not so sure. I seem to remember an article by George Clooney that seemed to have a fairly powerful effect mobilizing the left to get rid of him. But of course Joe Biden now saying things moved quickly, they are moving quickly. Trump's been in office for one hundred days and Biden, by his own admission, hasn't got a clue what the hell is going on.

Speaker 12

The way we talk about now that, well, it's just the Gulf of America. Maybe we're going to have to take back Panama, Maybe we need to acquire Greenland, maybe Canada should be if what the hell's going on here?

Speaker 2

He spent four years of his termament is pretty much saying what the hell is going on?

Speaker 3

Didn't he indeed?

Speaker 5

And for him to talk about it like it was his decision to vacate the space, please, buddy, all in Sundry was shoving you out the door.

Speaker 3

That's the only reason why it happened.

Speaker 5

But look, I don't know why anyone's listening to Biden anymore. The guy is such a has been, especially after the whirlwin that the Trump administration has been just within his first one hundred days, this has got to be the most any American president has done within one hundred days.

Speaker 3

And we've got years of this left, I mean, buckle in for the long ride.

Speaker 5

So he's really just being utterly ridiculous here pulling out the silliest that's made everyone, even the Trump supporters, scratch their heads, pulling out those three examples as if to make out that this is a clown show.

Speaker 3

That is a clown show.

Speaker 6

Well, look good to say that he got out of bed just for this interview.

Speaker 7

It's wonderful.

Speaker 6

I mean, my favorite line from that whole interview was when he said when he was asked, do you have withdrawn from the campaign a lot earlier and let somebody else run?

Speaker 7

And he said, I don't think it would have mattered. Where is it? Did doctor Jell put him up to that line? For goodness sake? I mean, where does he get these delusions from?

Speaker 6

Look, he was mumbling, stumbling again, and this is why he is no longer the leader of the free world, isn't it exactly?

Speaker 1

And I've still made more sense than Kamala Harris. Well, I think.

Speaker 6

That that's probably pushing it a little bit. But look, this story, this next story absolutely well. In my opinion, it boggles the mind because an NHS worker in the UK has been handed awarded almost thirty thousand pounds in compensation, which is over sixty thousand Australian dollars, after her colleague compared her to the Star Wars villain dath Vede.

Speaker 2

Up.

Speaker 6

Yes, there you go, you heard it right, lorda Rook.

Speaker 7

Her name is.

Speaker 6

She was working for the NHS and was upset that a coworker took a Star Wars themed personality test on her behalf.

Speaker 7

You can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 6

Now. The Employment tribuneal actually ruled that being aligned with the infant sci fi characters personality was quote insulting and constituted a workplace detriment.

Speaker 7

In fact, the exact quote is Darth.

Speaker 6

Vader is a legendary villain of the Star Wars series, and being aligned with his personality is indeed insulting. A judge concluded, So here's a twist in all this. This is what I find quite baffling. You've got the co worker who has taken this personality test, so you might be familiar at home with the Meyers Brig questionnaire. So basically it asks you questions like are you an introvert? Are you an extrovert? It's a really good team building activity.

It's something that people do in workplaces, or you can do amongst your friends. But this colleague has taken the test on behalf of this woman, and it was a Star Wars theme, and the colleagues gone to work and said, yes, well, this staff member is likened to Darth Vader. I mean, imagine being that precious that much of a sources, but you feel the need to take it all the way

to a tribunal. I just feel like this individual would be one of those types that would like claim workers' compensation for a back injury that they got twenty years before actually joining the company. Just so precious and so highly offended. I wouldn't want to work with a person like that. They would drive you nuts.

Speaker 7

But it goes to.

Speaker 6

Show in the workplace it's not that hard. If you've got a problem, tell that person. Please don't call me that. If it goes further, go talk to your manager about it, go to a go to a tribunal. For goodness sake, Why would you do that when.

Speaker 5

You can get thirty thousand pound gosh by being offended?

Speaker 3

It's the offended Olympics. This is incredible.

Speaker 5

I've seen one of these millions of years ago.

Speaker 3

I'm pretty sure as an EMTP, I was R two D two.

Speaker 1

Shouldn't she be.

Speaker 7

Which I didn't react? Did I take offense?

Speaker 12

No?

Speaker 3

But shouldn't she be suing?

Speaker 5

Whoever it was who then decided which characters go with each four letters of the Mayas Briggs family. I mean, clearly someone has decided that whatever she is is Darth Vader.

Speaker 3

I mean, like this has any gravit whatever?

Speaker 1

Are too d two? Yeah, I thought you would have been the Emperor that.

Speaker 3

I can check this.

Speaker 2

I mean, it could have been worse for this woman, right, So she's been compared to Darth Vader. Okay, that's not great, but it could have been Judge our Binks or god forbid, Jabba the Heart. But who's crazier this woman for taking offense or the member of the judiciary who's awarded sixty thousand Australian dollars. It just shows how detached from reality judges in the UK are, and judgments like this only serve to encourage grievance. So I suppose we should expect

to see more of this. This goes back to now where our culture is at, really, which is the primacy of feelings over facts. There's no objective truth. The only reality is how you feel, and so nothing can be worse than your feelings being hurt, because well, what else are you other than your feelings?

Speaker 5

But the fact that a judge literal he rules this, I mean, I mean game over in the UK if you can get a payout like that for being.

Speaker 3

Minorly offended that's what I pected. By the way, an e NTPs r R too details.

Speaker 7

There you go, and how are you, Jonas? How are you?

Speaker 2

I would be obviously, Han Solos, Why did.

Speaker 1

You even ask that question?

Speaker 7

Janika?

Speaker 1

Honestly, Wookie.

Speaker 3

But then they don't talk enough to cover you list.

Speaker 2

The judge is merely reflecting culture, and culture says you are your feelings.

Speaker 1

So if your feelings are hurt, that's you. It's wrong. That's where our culture is.

Speaker 2

That we're going to go to a break when we come back. The Labor Party reorganizing their front bench, and of course Adam Bant is well, he's Gonsky. That's coming up in just a moment. Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow. We'll start with the Herald's Sun, which of course has got

the big news of the election. That is ousted by your own hate, good ridden Spanish Green's leader paid the price for stoking division and appalling treatment of Jewish community. That's right, Adam Bant lost his seat. The article reads, Adam Banters paid the price for the Greens stoking division and hatred across the country. According to leaders on both sides of politics, prominent Jews and anti Semitism victims. The assessment came as the ousted minor party leader finally conceded

the long held Green seat of Melbourne. It's funny, isn't it, Tanthony Albaneze. He spent the last ten years in parliament being incredibly divisive, but he was a great unifier when he left parliament, bringing Liberal and Labor together to celebrate his demise. His part of his press conference, where aside from blaming Peter Dutton for he himself losing his seat, he urged the media to talk about the climate crisis in more strident terms.

Speaker 13

I really want the media to stop reporting on climate as a political issue and star thinking about it as if our country was being invaded. There's you should treat the climate crisis as if there is a war on.

Speaker 1

Begs the question who are we being invaded by? By Co two? It's just right to the end. It was ridiculous, you know.

Speaker 6

Adam Bann got up today and blamed every man and their dog except for himself.

Speaker 7

It is his own fault. Trella goodbye, and.

Speaker 6

Maybe this is opportunity to go to Gaza, his favorite place.

Speaker 5

To talk about here to the front page of The Australia Now PM leaves Husick Dreyfus behind camber con vulses in Alp no one held back, but these two two hoe profile, high profile labor ministers have been dumped to the back bend shafter one of the most heated factional brawls since the election of the Albanese government, with the refresh demoting the party's most senior Jewish and Muslim MPs

while increasing representation for women and the left. Attorney General Mark Dreyfus and Industry Minister Ed Husick were forced out of the ministry after ruthless negotiations from the Victorian Right saw allies of Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles promoted and

the New South Wales right weakened. The article goes on to say that the new ministers will be Victorian Right MPs Sam Ray and Daniel Malino, while the left promoted former union bosses in New South Wales Senator Tim Eyres and Victorian MP Jess Walsh.

Speaker 3

Well, the blood letting continues.

Speaker 5

These cabinet reshuffles are never a good time and it always leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the faction.

Speaker 3

That didn't come out on top.

Speaker 2

It's interesting, of course Ed Hussick being a Muslim, he's now longer on the front bench. But Mark Dreyfus, the only Jewish minister, also gone, and obviously a lot of people very upset with the government's attitude towards Israel. Well you wouldn't think that's going to help people's understanding of how this government regards Israel.

Speaker 1

With Mark Drayfus being ejected, that's yeah.

Speaker 6

Because he was a most senior Jewish member of the Labor Party.

Speaker 2

And he was an advocate for Israel within the party. Now he's gone from killing.

Speaker 6

I mean, but he was booed remember at the Sky News Anti seven. You and I were there and there, so he was definitely not well received in that regard. But he is obviously the most senior duced so it is interesting that he has been punted. And also I just want to say Daniel Malino, the one that's been promoted. He was the one remember last late last year he went on Shari's program and said that Australia day is changing.

He was the one that said that, So it's evolving, it's evolving, evolving, that's the word let's have a look now at the Courier mail. I've got a story their huge reno bill for l MP, a minister task with driving responsible expenditure, build taxpayers sixty seven thousand dollars to install a new door and kitchen, frosted glassdoor, and mega

boardroom in her government office. The eye watering spending was posed in a nine hundred and nine page right to information document provided to the opposition about the request of new LMP ministers and their staff moving to one Williams Street. Two ministers build taxpayers are combined four thousand, six hundred and four dollars for twelve office stools, which were criticized

for poor workmanship when they arrived. Well, there you go, sixty seven thousand for a frosted glass door and new bathroom. It's all wonderful and all the extensive expensive taxpayers.

Speaker 10

Terrific stool is three eighty four dollars.

Speaker 5

I don't think any stools are ergonomic because they don't support the back, even if.

Speaker 7

They've got that.

Speaker 3

Little backy bit.

Speaker 5

I mean this is I want to read the whole nine hundred and nine pages, because if this is just the bits that they've scooped into this little bit on the front page that is going to be a hilarious read. It's eye watering when you figure out that these people who we elect to represents spend our taxpayer dollars like it grows on trees.

Speaker 1

Well that's the point, right, Taxpayer dollars.

Speaker 2

Are other people free money, so it makes it very easy to spend and spend.

Speaker 5

They have incredible story featured in The Mercury tomorrow. Alzheimer's Early drug world first, a world leading experimental dementia drug designed to prevent the disease before it begins, will be trialed in Australia for the first time from next month. Local researchers will test whether a new injectable drug can delay or even stop the onset of Alzheimer's disease when

given to patients before they begin having noticeable symptoms. Royal Melbourne Hospital will be one of more than a dozen sites around Australia taking part.

Speaker 3

In a major global trial for the new.

Speaker 5

Drug, named don asmitter rem Turner tug Ren turna tug You heard it here first, as Joe Hildebrand says, just pronounce it tomvidently and nobody will know any difference.

Speaker 3

So it's remturna tug. This is pretty incredible.

Speaker 5

Many many years ago, I worked for Alzheimer's WA and the stats around this disease are so freaky because it's growing in prevalence.

Speaker 3

We still don't know what causes it.

Speaker 5

We just know it's becoming more and more common and younger and younger people are also getting it. So it's absolutely frightening, completely insidious, and it's interesting to learn that these guys are trying to do something about it. And goodness knows what will come of this treatment that they've devised.

Speaker 2

Well, certainly there'd be a lot of people hoping that this treatment is effective, and if it can do what they're hoping it will do, it will be an absolute game change.

Speaker 7

Yeah, I think it's interesting that.

Speaker 1

Tragic disease for so many people.

Speaker 6

Yeah, before they begin having noticeable symptoms, that's when they're going to be trialing it. So I don't know whether it's a case of if you have a family history of Alzheimer's, a family history of sign up for something like this.

Speaker 7

I'm not entirely sure, but.

Speaker 6

I think any anything that can stop or cure this insidious disease, I think is just absolutely fantastic. So this is really really heartening to hear that there is something in the pipeline.

Speaker 1

Hopefully absolutely.

Speaker 2

Let's go to the front page of the cans Post. I was intrigued to read this story stroller lifted by chopper says their headline, so that immediately got my attention.

Speaker 1

And then we read an.

Speaker 2

Incident involving a toddler and the stroller it was inside being lifted into the air by the whirling blades of a rescue helicopter taking off outside Cann's Hospital has prompted a state government review. I imagine if a baby in a stroller was lifted into the air by the blades of a nearby helicopter, it would prompt a government review.

Speaker 1

Apparently the location of the.

Speaker 2

Helipad for the Can's Hospital is a little too close to walking paths on the esplanade there. This incident occurred in June two thousand and twenty two.

Speaker 1

I had a look before we went on air.

Speaker 2

I couldn't find any record online of the incident, so I don't know what happened to the toddler. I assume that toddler was okay and mum just got a massive fright, but If indeed that's what occurred, they would be quite wise to move the helly pet. I'm surprised it's taken them three years.

Speaker 1

I'm just to move it.

Speaker 7

I'm just confused how something like this can happen though. How does it lift up? How did this happen? I don't understand.

Speaker 2

It creates an updraft, so if you're too close, potentially you could actually.

Speaker 7

But that's that is pretty, that's pretty. That's frightening.

Speaker 6

It happens the parent involved must have had an absolute heart attack. That's hopefully the little kid was okay, But that's just terrible.

Speaker 2

They've put a fence around it. But they're going to move the location all together. Sounds like a smart move to me. We're going to go to a break. When we come back.

Speaker 1

I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2

There's some weird laws in Victoria. It's illegal, or can be, to vacuum after ten pm. And if you hook up a little harness to your goat and go for a ride, you can be fined one thousand dollars. That another razy laws in Victoria coming up in just a moment. Okay, well, we all know Victoria had some crazy laws during the pandemic, but that's not the half of it. Check out some of the laws that are still on the statute books in the state of Victoria.

Speaker 1

If you're one who likes to sing.

Speaker 2

Out loud, If you sing an obscene song in Victoria, you can be fined one nine hundred and seventy five dollars or two months in prison.

Speaker 1

Basically anything by Taylor Swift. If you hire a.

Speaker 2

Kite or play a game that annoys someone, they complain, you can be fined nine hundred and eighty seven dollars. Hitch Hiking is still a prime Why don't realize that you can get almost a four hundred dollar fine for hitch hiking. And if you dare to boy board a pirate ship.

Speaker 7

In Hya who's boughting pirate ship.

Speaker 1

Well, don't do it. It's twenty years jail if you do that in Victoria. Were here's some more vacuuming at night.

Speaker 2

If your neighbors complain and you persist, it's a twenty three thousand dollars. For someone's homing pigeon, you can be fined. You cut out at night. You can be fined if you release a helium balloon in Victoria, it's a five thousand dollar fine. If you release a series of balloons, it's twenty thousand dollar Fye, here's.

Speaker 1

A few more. If your dog keeps barking, that's a fine.

Speaker 2

A fortune teller risks ten years in prison because it's illegal to make money through misleading means, although they should have seen that one coming. Single use of plastics is illegal. And I'll give you one more. This is the most bizarre one. If you hitch up a wagon to your goat or to your dog in order to have a ride, that's a nine hundred and eighty seven dollar fine.

Speaker 5

Well, you actually expecting the goat to be able to pull your weight?

Speaker 1

You're asking me personally, or.

Speaker 5

Is that the only reason why you would hitch a ride with your goat is that that goat is supposed to be a horse like dragging.

Speaker 6

How many people have goats in their backyard? How many people in their backyard gotta goat?

Speaker 7

Come on, let us know.

Speaker 5

Well, if you I've been to New Zealand, you would have been to their airport and you would have noticed these giant eagles in the terminal, one of them bearing the likeness of the wizard ganned Off. Well, these magnificent sculptures are about to be retired, so if you haven't seen them in real life yet, your better high tail it to New Zealand. Nobody wants to see them taken down,

but they're going to be put into storage. We haven't been told what they're going to be replaced with, but good luck topping that these things have fifteen meter wingspans and way more than a ton each.

Speaker 7

Wow.

Speaker 5

And the airport staff say, even the most like stoic businessman type as he's walking through always gets his phone out and takes a little cheeky snap to be seen with them.

Speaker 3

I mean, why would you get rid of something like this. It's a massive tourist attraction to this day in New Zealand.

Speaker 5

People visiting are there to see scenes from The Lord of the Ring.

Speaker 2

Wellington Airport many times and seen that exhibit and every time you see it it's incredible, and you're right, you take a photo every single time. It's amazing. I don't know why they'd get rid of it. It's the thing New Zealand is face. Absolutely well, that's it from us stick around. Coming up is the reader Penehy show Good Name

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