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The Late Debate | 28 April

Apr 28, 202549 minSeason 1Ep. 457
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Teal MP Monique Ryan launches desperate cash grab as Kooyong race tightens, millions of Aussies vent over election texts. Plus, Labor knew about Russia’s Indonesian air base request in March.

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Speaker 1

Lately, gentleman, welcome the late base.

Speaker 2

Good evening.

Speaker 3

I'm James Macpherson, with Liz Staer and Joe Hildebrandt coming up tonight.

Speaker 2

Katy Perry might prefer.

Speaker 3

To be back in out of space after the reception she's getting on her latest concert tour.

Speaker 2

We'll show you why a little later.

Speaker 3

Plus when we look at the papers homeless people set to be issued massive fines for sleeping outdoors, and how authorities ignored warnings that might have stopped the BONDI stabber all of that a little later, but first, TLMP Minick Ryan is pleading for extra donations to help her retain the seat of Couyong she won from the Liberals in twenty twenty two. She sent an email to backs literally

pleading for donations and complaining, have listened to this. We've seen a scale of attacks I never thought possible, coordinated, well funded, and designed to mislead voters in the final stretch. These attacks aren't just coming from the Liberal party, They're coming from a power for conservative ecosystem. All the irony of this, I mean, Monique Ryan complains she's the victim

of a coordinated, wealth funded attack. When everybody knows the Teals themselves are a coordinated, well funded attack on the Liberal Party, except the Teals lie about.

Speaker 2

It, claiming to be independent.

Speaker 3

They are of course bankrolled by Simon Holmes the courts Climate two hundred, although Manique Ryan pretends she's got no idea where her money comes from.

Speaker 4

Who is your biggest financial backer for this federal election?

Speaker 5

I've had more than two thousand diners in this federal election to this point, Climate two hundred has provided less than twenty percent of the support that I've received.

Speaker 6

Is Climate two hundred your biggest financial backer.

Speaker 5

At this point? That we've had in kind and specific donations from Climate two hundred, I'd have to check.

Speaker 7

So in dollars and cents in financial terms, is Climate two hundred your biggest backer at this election?

Speaker 5

I wouldn't be able to say that at this point.

Speaker 3

In time, she would know exactly where her funding is coming from. But of course she's not the only TiAl desperate for money. Homes of Court has emailed back as saying if people don't donate more cash, Manick Ryan, Zoe Daniel, Sophie Scramps, and Kate Cheney all could lose their seats. My encouragement Liz and Joe to potential donors would be to give to the Teals exactly what they've given their constituents, which would be absolutely nothing.

Speaker 6

Well, they don't need it because they're so very very rich, James, So it's okay, they don't need anything. All they need is to be able to sleep well at night knowing that their dreams of integrity and climate climate purity in the year twenty twenty fifty and transparency very important as well.

Thank you for reminding me, Liz that all these values that they hold so dear, and they can afford to hold so dear because they don't have to afford anything else which everyone else in the country has to deal with, like, for example, putting food on the table. They can afford to worry about things happening in twenty thirty five or twenty fifty, and they can afford to worry about whether the politics of Australia is as pure as they would like.

Speaker 1

It to be.

Speaker 6

And that's why I am so pleased that when it comes to matters of integrity and transparency, the proto Teal the Captain America of Teals, Monique Ryan, the Teal who took down, Josh Friedenberg is addressing, without fear or favor, the most fundamental question when it comes to the honesty and integrity and transparency of any accountable government in the Western nation, or indeed the entire world, which is where's the money coming from, Who's paying for you, who's doing.

Speaker 1

Are you who's bidding? Are you doing?

Speaker 6

It is unfathomable that is both so completely and shamelessly hypocritical as to not ann a very basic question about just who her biggest donor is, when clearly she would know, but also that she is so bad at politics that she wouldn't be able to have an answer to this, And just like she is so incredibly bad at politics that when one young Sky News reporter puts the microphone and ask her a few questions in her own electorate

on her home turf, she can't even handle that. And she literally has to sort of say no, no, no, just go away, leave me alone, Leave me alone. When the slightest amount of scrutiny is applied to these people, they fall apart like a house of cards. And I think I can say on behalf of the nation, it is just so wonderful to watch. I'm just enjoying it so much, so just keep going. Even if we get back in we get another three years of this, i'mhappy.

Speaker 1

So either way, just please keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 6

Keep pontificating about how everyone else is corrupt or everyone else doesn't actually stick to their principles, and we need a national integrity Commission and you're the on ones pure enough, while you're refusing to say where the money comes from, while you're tearing down, or your husband is your opponents democratically sanctioned of core flutes, while you are treating your own staff appallingly to the point where they actually take

it a court to get a sally rug. You know what, again, one of the nicest people you could ever happen to meet combined with one of the other nicest people you could ever happen to meet. It isn't it lovely when these progressives who talk about how nice we should all be get together and it turns out they are the most toxic binary combination known to chemistry.

Speaker 1

It is just glorious.

Speaker 6

So just please don't give up. Whatever you do, don't give up, stay in politics, keep going because.

Speaker 1

This country needs you.

Speaker 6

This country needs to laugh right now and you are providing that country.

Speaker 7

Humany for your national service. I don't know you know who needs to hear this, but you're not independent if you're funded by climate two hundred. End of discussion. Also, why the last minute cash grab? What on earth are people going to spend this cash grab money on?

Speaker 8

This late in the game. Over two point four million Aussies have already voted.

Speaker 7

Goodness knows how many will be left by the time the polls actually open. Everyone wants this over and done with. Everyone is sick of the campaign. So what are you going to buy?

Speaker 8

More core flutes?

Speaker 7

Were as sick of your faces as we are of your policies.

Speaker 2

What are you going to buy more ads.

Speaker 8

That just pierce everyone off?

Speaker 7

Everyone is utterly sick and tired of this campaign already, and speaking of ads that just pave people no end, I bet you're one of them who has received these texts from Trumpets of Patriots. I was at home on Saturday, minding my own business when I received a text from Trumpet of Patriots. I bet this is a familiar story if you're watching tonight. Of course, the first question is

where'd you get my number from? What kind of invasion of privacy is this I don't remember signing up to Trumpets a Patriots and giving them my mobile number.

Speaker 8

No you didn't.

Speaker 7

They must have bought it from somewhere with the tens of millions of dollars that they have spent on campaigning. But today, the Electoral Commission was very quick to point out, given how many complaints they'd received, that Trumpets of Patriots was in fact doing nothing illegal.

Speaker 8

Check this out. They say.

Speaker 7

Political parties are exempt from the Spam Act and the Privacy Act and are able to send unsolicited text messages without an.

Speaker 8

Opt out option.

Speaker 7

So there was no opt in option and there's no opt out option. So basically you've just got to suck it up, Aussies. The Electoral Commission goes on to say any changes to these laws would be a matter for the Parliament to consider. Here's another one of those texts. Solve housing fast trains twenty minutes CBD super four deposits three percent interest, cut immigration by eighty percent.

Speaker 8

They're really fitting a lot in new Is that easy?

Speaker 1

That's right there?

Speaker 6

That solved all the nation's problems in a single text message. Rich, there is vote.

Speaker 2

Trumper of Patriots.

Speaker 7

But seriously, I think this is another one of those campaign ideas that just backlashes spectacularly because people get text after text just days apart, and they're just pissed off.

Speaker 8

They're actually less likely to vote for you.

Speaker 3

Part of the irony is that Trumpet of Patriots are campaigning for less government in our lives, and yet we're swamped on our.

Speaker 2

Mobile phones by the messages.

Speaker 3

They're also a campaigning, of course, for freedom, which I would absolutely support, but you don't have the freedom to opt out of their text messages like many other Australians. I got them and I'm not that bothered by it, but I just get sick of them popping up on my phone, so I deleted the first couple. Then I blocked the number, But even blocking number it didn't stop me.

Speaker 6

I feel really left out. Am I the only person in Australia who hasn't got one of these text? I want to I've got some here off for but this is the thing there. So the short answer is they didn't get your number. Trumpet of Patriots does not have your number. All Trumpet of Patriots has is a random number generator where with enough money behind it, it just bombards these messages to every single possible phone number combination

in the world, and some land and some don't. And an example, a really good example, is that my wife is one of the people who received one of these text messages, and she does comms for a Quality Australia, which was running the campaign against Trumpet of Patriots being able to put ads on the front pages of newspapers saying there are only two genders, right, So whatever you think on that issue, and I don't care.

Speaker 1

Obviously she is.

Speaker 6

Not a target voter for them. She is not part of their target demographic.

Speaker 2

It would be like money not well spent.

Speaker 6

It would be like it would be like labor targeting Peter Dutton and saying have you thought about a vote for Anthony Albaneze in this election? So it's just what happens when it shows you've got more money than God. I say, bring it on, because all of us here in the media, we love your advertising dollars, Trumpet of Patriots, so please continue to blow that trumpet and blow it loud and proud.

Speaker 3

So it's not a matter of whether it's right or wrong. Really a question is is it beneficial or is it just a waste of time and money?

Speaker 6

For it's very beneficial to us, James, although not I don't think, because of course they've got more ads than anyone else, and I think they're sitting about what one or two percent at the moment.

Speaker 3

Well, we'll find out whether their investment pays off on Saturday. I suppose let's stay with election matters because Anthony Elminizi is tying himself in all kinds of knots over security issues.

Speaker 4

Now.

Speaker 3

His problems with security have been going for quite some time. You'll remember, well the Chinese warships off the coast of Sydney firing live rounds and the government finding out via a Virgin commercial pilot. Then was another Chinese vessel off the coast of South Australia, this time a surveillance ship tracking the ocean floor for what could only be described as nefarious purposes.

Speaker 2

At the Albanese's response to.

Speaker 3

That was that well, he would rather they weren't doing it, which is not exactly standing up for our national security. And then, of course there were reports in Jane Military Journal just a couple of weeks ago that the Russians had asked for an air base in Indonesia, which of course would be a massive problem for Australia. Now, when the Coalition raised this and started asking questions, the Labor

Party said it wasn't true, it was a fabrication. Senator Murray what went as far as saying the whole thing was just some crazy conspiracy theory.

Speaker 9

The Opposition is asking for a briefing on something that doesn't exist. I mean they might as well ask for a briefing on the Lockness monster. This is something that doesn't exist that they fabricated.

Speaker 3

Except now we find out the Lockness Monster is real.

Speaker 2

It did exist. It was not a fabrication.

Speaker 3

Back in February, the Russians did ask the Indonesians for the ability to use their air bases and possibly Jane magazine is reporting for a permanent base. And it turns out the Prime Minister knew about this as early as March. So he's been caught lying again and worse, playing politics with national security. Here's Anthony Albanesi ducking and weaving again today.

Speaker 6

In March, were you told about the Russian request for air base success in Indonesia?

Speaker 10

Well, look, I don't go through again. I refer to my previous answer. What adults do on intelligence is received them and not do it conduct it through the media.

Speaker 2

What we know but the wants of transparency. What we know is.

Speaker 10

I'm sorry, but adults, adults when it comes to intelligence, act like adults.

Speaker 2

I'm sorry, but adults. Adults don't say lock best.

Speaker 3

Monster about true and factual reports our national security under the Albanezi government, Liz is an absolute joke.

Speaker 2

And the only people that.

Speaker 3

Are laughing about the Chinese, the Russians and everybody else who wishes Australia harm.

Speaker 7

It's another labor life they're looking at, Joe. For two weeks, labor ministers have pussy footed around this issue. They've gas lit everyone, making it out that this was just this was made up, it was a lot ness and wants to it was mythical, it never happened. And now they've got egg all over their faces in the middle of a campaign, just a week out to polling day. It's how is this nothing but a massive embarrassment?

Speaker 1

Joe. I'm very glad you asked.

Speaker 6

I actually wrote our election rap or election analysis on this today and I've coined the term and you'll enjoy this tactical obfuscation.

Speaker 1

So it's not a lie.

Speaker 6

It's tactical obfuscation, but it is actually very very important.

Speaker 1

That's right.

Speaker 6

There's George Costanzas said, but they don't believe it because they're not. Actually, so, when you say they are calling all this stuff that's come out today the locknest monster, if you go back and look at what they actually said, they're not.

Speaker 1

They want you to think that, but they're not.

Speaker 8

So what said it was fabricated?

Speaker 6

No no, they said there would no no, no, no, what was fabricated?

Speaker 1

Oh, that's right.

Speaker 6

The idea that there would be a Russian base, or that Russians would be using an Indonesian base that they said was fabricated. Of course, that's not what the question was. The question was always was there a request? But they don't answer the question was there a request? They answer was there was there a plan? Is it going to happen? And so you will see time and again and all these exchanges says was there a request for this other thing?

There are absolutely no plans for a Russian air base anywhere on Indonesian soil, And so it sounds like they're answering that question, but they're not. They're answering a different question. And that is the first law of politics. Which is you always answer the question you want to be asked, not the question you actually are asked.

Speaker 1

And so then it creates the.

Speaker 6

Impression that even the speculation or the reports of the request must also be bunkom. And that is why when

Murray what, Murray what? Was kind of the exception that proved the rule, because in just one instance he deviated from what was a very carefully worded script that there are no plans, you know, there is no approvals, that it's not going ahead, and Murray what, just in one little tiny slip, said there's no proposal, And in fact that is the one thing that there is, because of course the proposal came from the Russians in the form of this request. And that's when you saw the opposition

jump all over it. See now he's lying.

Speaker 1

Now he's lying. Now he's lying.

Speaker 6

But because there was already so much kind of confusion and noise about it, and because Peter Dutton had gotten a bit of trouble as well by saying the Indonesian president had said something, when he said absolutely nothing, suddenly it all just got too confusing. And that is kind of what the government wants you to do. They want you to think that the request for the base, which is worrying, and the base not going ahead, which is not as worrying, are the same thing, and therefore that

none of it is happening. In truth, the first thing is happening, the second thing is not.

Speaker 2

So you're saying they didn't lie technic.

Speaker 6

That's right, they didn't lie. They didn't lie, they just didn't tell the whole truth.

Speaker 1

That's right.

Speaker 8

Well, it certainly doesn't look like that at this point.

Speaker 1

That's the whole point.

Speaker 6

Well if that's the whole point of tactical obfuscation, well.

Speaker 7

If it just means after tactical obfuscation is then blown out of the water by the truth, the problem, then it looks like you lied. It doesn't look like tactical obfuscation.

Speaker 8

It looks like you lied for two weeks solid.

Speaker 3

And the problem with tactical obfuscation is it's not to protect the national interest, it's to protect the labor parties.

Speaker 8

Well, they don't want to deal with that, right now, you don't.

Speaker 6

I mean, it's a fair point that you don't reveal intelligence matters. I mean, the very definition of covert intelligence is that it's COVID ended up.

Speaker 3

Talking about it for two weeks because they can't give a straight answer, so they.

Speaker 2

Just address it.

Speaker 1

Well.

Speaker 6

I think the government, what the government wanted to do was to reassure Australians that this was not going to happen, to look like they were across it, and it was all you think.

Speaker 3

We were reassured. And do you think they looked like they were across it?

Speaker 6

I think I don't think. No, I think they were across it. I know they were across it. But the but you just cannot kind of you cannot have like Elbow is right in saying you cannot just have these kind of debates about who got intelligence, when and where and how long ago. You cannot carry them out in the media. I can't think of any any government that has willingly gobm is.

Speaker 3

We just don't trust the urbanizy government sell us the truth on pretty much anything, whether it's your power bills, whether it's ships off the coast of Sydney, a surveillance ship off the coast of South Australia. If a hot air balloon was to fly across Australia slowly, we wouldn't believe air belief is he any more than we would believe.

Speaker 6

I will can say that he did fall off the stage well.

Speaker 7

In a very disturbing story out of camera, we learned today that a twenty three year old male sicko has put together one hundred images depicting sixteen different women, some in very high serving public service roles in Canbra. He's put together one hundred images of them depicted nude. These, of course are deep fates. He's used AI to put them together.

Speaker 8

Now.

Speaker 7

Police looked into this after one of the women depicted saw an image on this man's phone.

Speaker 8

You wonder how that happened.

Speaker 7

We don't know the details, but somehow she was made aware that.

Speaker 8

This man had these images on his phone.

Speaker 7

The police looked into it and, to everyone's absolute decis gus, because of a loophole in the law, his creating them isn't able to be prosecuted because he hasn't shared them and didn't have any intent to share them.

Speaker 8

We read today.

Speaker 7

An ACT police spokesman confirmed police had investigated the incident, saying that no charges could be laid as there was quote no evidence to support the distribution or threat of distribution of the images. So basically, this guy has made them for his own uses. I guess we're supposed to take his word for it that they're not going anywhere, they're just for his personal We'll leave that to the imagination.

Speaker 8

And this, of course has created.

Speaker 7

This newfound appreciation for the fact that the laws need to change.

Speaker 8

So it's okay to create them.

Speaker 7

We're supposed to understand, as long as you don't distribute them.

Speaker 2

Yeah, except in Victoria.

Speaker 3

In Victoria to create fake images of people naked without their consent. But in the rest of Australia you can create them, you just can't circulate them. Here's New South Wales Premier Chris Men's saying the law needs to be changed.

Speaker 4

Everybody's got a right to go to work or be part of a community free from that kind of pilification or even objectification. So I think the laws have got to keep pace with technology. My simple and short messages, the laws aren't keeping pace with technology at the moment, and we're going to act to keep people safe.

Speaker 3

This is the sort of thing that e Safety Commissioner should be all over because it's quite outrageous that someone can do that with somebody's image. As you said, sixteen women all working high up in the public service in the act. It's also strange that we don't have uniform laws across the country regarding things like this.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's a really interesting way.

Speaker 6

I think a lot of it hinges on the fact that one of the victims or the alleged victim, was able to see it, and I'd be very interested to know how that was.

Speaker 3

Whether, well, a number of the alleged victims did know the person who was creating these images. We're not told how they know each other, but at least one of the victims that have known this person for.

Speaker 1

Ten years, that's right, So how do they say it?

Speaker 6

So, for example, if the alleged perpetrator shows the victim an image that they have and that makes them uncomfortable, and he says, well, there's nothing you can do about it because I'm sable whatever, or he's just doing it for kicks, or he's doing it because he thinks it's going to be a great way to get them out for dinner.

Speaker 1

I don't know, but I think that is a major.

Speaker 6

Major problem if, however, the person came across it accidentally. In another context, it does raise an interesting ethical dilemma as to all, right.

Speaker 1

Well, how far should you be able to police the.

Speaker 6

Things that happen that are in your phone that are completely private that no one else may know about or whatever. And obviously everyone's going to be trying to hack into my phone after I just said that.

Speaker 1

But again, how I.

Speaker 6

Mean, God knows how many of the billions of thousands of photos that are in their photos that my kids would have taken of random stuff or whatever, all sorts of nuts stuff, whether or not, you know, how much do you police all of that?

Speaker 1

And obviously there is there is, you know, some of it can and should be policed.

Speaker 6

We don't tolerate, for example, child pornography on hard drives or phones just because it hasn't been distributed. That's an immediate criminal offense, and so it should be. So it just raises an interesting thing that all right, well, how it's a bit like schroding his cat. You know, if this guy had all these images but in no way impacted the way he behaved around any of these people, they were blissfully unaware that any of it actually was there and they were all just going about their lives.

Has a harm been done? I think that's the interesting thing. So all hinges on the fact that one of the people in the phone was able to see it and how And the question is.

Speaker 7

Like, you say, how would you police that? So mens is there saying, oh, well, we're going to change the laws.

Speaker 8

Obviously this is acceptable. Everyone should feel safe and awesome at all times.

Speaker 7

But if this guy has just made them in the privacy of his own home and is keeping them for his own purposes, obviously no one was supposed to see them. How on earth is the police or whatever body they set up, whatever mechanism they make via law, how are you going to stop people from creating these images before AI they just used photoshop putting somebody's head on somebody else's naked body.

Speaker 3

I mean, the way you stop them is you make a law whereby if you are caught with these images, you are prosecuted, and so potentially that stops people for fear of prosecution. You can't stop people doing it, but you created this incentive through laws pertaining the prosecution.

Speaker 8

Yeah, again, how would you discover it?

Speaker 6

But this is why it is like, if this person saw it, And again, how does someone accidentally come across images and sad one's phone unless they have been invited to do so, unless someone is showing them to I mean, that seems passing strange. But if he's showing them to people saying Haha, isn't this funny? Or hah, look what you know? Look what I did? You know, how's about whatever it is that. I think you could the law could almost interpret that as in a way, trafficking the image.

That's right, because you're communicating the image to someone. You're just doing an analog doing it old school.

Speaker 1

But anyway, let's go.

Speaker 2

To the United States.

Speaker 3

Tomorrow marks the one hundredth day in office for Donald Trump. He'll be celebrating with a big rally in Michigan, which is being titled Legendary Start. And I suppose if passing executive orders classifies as legendary, then it is a pretty impressive start. One hundred and thirty seven executive orders in the first one hundred days of his second presidency. That's more than any president since Franklin D. Roosevelt many many years ago. Although he's a tproval rating is not quite

so impressive. It's the lowest for any newly elected president in about seventy years. An NBC poll has just forty five percent of Americans approving of Donald Trump. Fifty five percent disapprove. Interestingly, zero don't know, so everybody has an opinion. There are no undecided voters in the United States. No surprise that people don't sit on the fence when it

comes to Donald Trump. When they asked voters about specific aspects of Trump's presidency, Trump failed to have a majority supporting him in any area, whether it was economy, immigration, tariffs, or even his actions on DEI, people were not in support. You can see the breakdown there the number of people overall forty five percent who approve versus fifty five percent who disapprove. Of course, it divides up amongst party lines.

Eighty eight percent of Republicans approve, compared to just thirty two percent of Dependence and seven percent of Democrats's I'm not surprised that Trump polarizes people, nor might that surprised that his popularity has gone down. I mean, the Democrats made such a mess of America. Whoever was going to come in and clean up the mess was going to have to take unpopular steps. Doge hasn't been particularly popular, and you can understand why, but it had to be done.

Speaker 2

If you're going to renovate the house.

Speaker 3

And I've seen people of renovated houses and never done it myself, but when you watch people who renovate houses, it always looks worse before it gets better, and I would suggest that's what's happening in the US right Yeah.

Speaker 7

And a lot of this had to do with his recent big tariff moves that obviously have hurt Americans, have hit them in the hip pocket, and a lot of this pushback currently would be due to that, I think.

Speaker 3

And there's also only thirty nine percent of people supported his aspect on iss on.

Speaker 7

Tariff indeed, so that that was big part and parcel of it. My thing with opinion polls this early on in the election cycle is does.

Speaker 8

It really matter.

Speaker 7

The guy's in the hot seat for four years, so love him or hate him, He's just going to do what he thinks best is for the nation. The midterms on until November next year, by which point he could be soaring in the polls.

Speaker 2

Who knows.

Speaker 8

So at this point of the game, it.

Speaker 7

Is costing you nothing to make the hard calls, clear the decks while you can, which is why he's gone so hard during his first few sorry, his first one hundred days.

Speaker 8

It's I think it's.

Speaker 7

Good timing opinion polls at this point in the election cycle, and just like who cares he's in he's not seeking a second term because he can't by law. So this guy can go hard for his entire four years and everyone's just got to suck it up.

Speaker 6

It's amazing because he was. It's interesting that immigration has gone down to a net deficit for him, because that was the one area where the majority of voters actually did still support him until very recently. Another really interesting thing is that the support he has among Democrats is ninety three against who disapprove and seven who approve.

Speaker 1

I want to find those seven percent.

Speaker 6

The seven percent of Democrats I think Donald Trump's doing a great job, because I reckon they would be. That would be a really interesting insight into how he got elected. And again that sort of residence he has with you know, blue collar America who voted for Obama and then switched their vote to Trump in that Roust belt. But I think a lot of people vote for Trump on the assumption that he wasn't actually going to do a lot of the things he said he was going to do.

And anybody comes out and goes, yes, I'm really doing.

Speaker 1

All the taffs like what, yes, I'm really back in putent.

Speaker 6

What people have just sort of run a mark, And I think Trump will probably self correct.

Speaker 1

And come back.

Speaker 6

But one more fun fact, and I just had to double check to make sure I.

Speaker 1

Wasn't misremembering it.

Speaker 6

But of course, Franklin Dono Roosevelt, the great hero of the American Democrats in my view, the greatest president, the greatest US president in all of history, great wartime leader. Roosevelt's New Deal got the nation through the depression and everything.

Speaker 1

Compared to Donald Trump, he was absolutely hated by the American left.

Speaker 6

And who they think is the devil in disguise, is or not even in disguise, is the Antichrist right there in front.

Speaker 1

And we know he's the Antichrist because.

Speaker 6

He's secretly a dictator and he's going to run again.

Speaker 1

He's not going to step down.

Speaker 6

He's going to be a dictator for life, make himself dictator for life, and might just step down after the two terms. Franklin Roosevelt four terms. Franklin Roosevelt ran and won four successive elections in the US and only moved from office thanks to the fact that he died. So there you got all that sort of fears of dictatorship, and they did change it to two terms after that, after the incredibly evil dictatorial Franklin D.

Speaker 1

Roosevelt, who was just so popular he could have stop getting re elective.

Speaker 3

Well, Trump keeps trolling the Democrats, suggesting that he made to ask the law to give himself a chance to run third times.

Speaker 8

I swear he's such a troll. He's such a troll. We know he's not going to do it.

Speaker 7

He knows he's not going to do it, but gosh, he loves to get them hot under the collar. To Ireland now, where while we were celebrating and Zach Day, our rich cultural heritage here in Australia, the Irish were doing something similar on what they call the Easter Rising commemoration to pay respects to those who fought and gave their lives to preserve.

Speaker 8

The Irish nation.

Speaker 7

There were tens of thousands of people who took to the streets in what was essentially an anti immigration rally. These guys were protesting and they were loud and proud, have a listen. Much like every Western country, Ireland has been absolutely smashed with immigration, and the Irish have had a gut full of it. So with their election coming up later this year, they are doing what they can while they can.

Speaker 8

To ensure their voices are heard.

Speaker 7

They are sick of becoming a minority in their own country, and they are sick of having a government who's doing absolutely nothing except for facilitating it. Enter the very unlikely

hero who used to be a cage fighter. He's known as Connor McGregor, and he gets very very interesting mixed reactions in Ireland and indeed any Irish people that are met in recent weeks here in Australia, I've asked them their opinions on McGregor, and he's not so popular here amongst the Irish, but he is gaining traction with this simple message.

Speaker 11

Look, if you look at Poltage, just too rally todayational rally for Ireland. It's a rally against the policies of this government which has impacted all of us deeply in our soul and too much soul to ignore anymore.

Speaker 7

This is another election in a Western country which is literally fought on this single issue.

Speaker 8

We've seen this countless times now.

Speaker 7

We saw it in Italy, we saw it in the Netherlands, We've seen it time and time again America.

Speaker 8

Another one the UK.

Speaker 7

I don't know how Starma got in, but over two million Brits very quickly called for a fresh general election because they'd realized the era of their ways. This is just a reoccurring theme as people in Western countries say, you've got to stop this mass immigration, otherwise we are no longer going to be Ireland.

Speaker 8

If you take Sweden and fill it with Arabs, is it Sweden?

Speaker 10

No?

Speaker 7

If you take Mexico fill it with pakistanis is it Mexico anymore?

Speaker 8

No?

Speaker 7

These people are fighting the last dying breasts of their national identity, and power to them, I say.

Speaker 3

And of course there was a counter protest, much smaller in number, accusing those protesting immigration policy as being racist, But of course there's nothing racist about simply saying, as these Irish protesters were saying, that they would like Ireland to be ruled by the Irish for the Irish, and

they don't want Ireland to lose it's irishness. This is part of the frustration, I think Joe for many in the West that we seem to have to honor every other culture and it's good to be respectful except for our own.

Speaker 2

And it just breeds a lot of frustration amongst people.

Speaker 3

I should point out is that that was a massive protest and by all reports it was entirely peaceful, which is quite contrary to the message we typically hear that people upset about high immigration are racist, they're violent, they're a bunch of hooligans.

Speaker 6

Well, one of the interesting things is that these guys have sort of self styled new generation of Irish nationalists, and they have this They deliberately held this rally as a commemoration of the Easter Rising, which of course was one of those typically Irish kind of pyrrhic efforts to sort of die nobly.

Speaker 1

For United Ireland, Free Island.

Speaker 6

But the people who are sort of the actual inheritors of that legacy, shin Fayne, who I do not have any truck with whatsoever, they were at the other rally. They are at the one protesting against it. So the kind of and Hinfein is of course the political wing of the IRA which again I do not have any truck with, because terrorism can never be justified no matter what.

But it's interesting that the people who actually sort of fueled the Easter Rising, that these guys are commemorating and celebrating and trying to sort of recreate in a more peaceful terms. They're on the other side, And I think it's just one of those weird things where this is where politics has come.

Speaker 1

Now.

Speaker 6

You're seeing the right and the left kind of swapping places all the time on all the DIFFERENTI and I don't think it's I think Ireland has always been a really before Before about the last two decades or whatever, Ireland was a really, really homogeneous country that was incredibly racially homogeneous and did not have anything like the immigration that other people did it. And then it went through this massive tech boom and a whole bunch of other people came in and a lot of people were really

sort of rattled by that as well. I think as long as the economy is okay, as long as crime rates don't go up, I don't think people might. I don't think it's a matter of people coming in and taking their culture.

Speaker 1

They've obviously come to Ireland for the culture.

Speaker 6

It's just a question of if other people feel they are less safe or less prosperous because of uncontrolled immigration.

Speaker 7

It's not just that, Joe, it's the fact that it's the Irish taxpayer that is paying out millions. And again we see this in the UK, we see this all over the blaze. They are forking out millions to house these assignments.

Speaker 8

They are, you know, as the.

Speaker 12

People feel like they're economically worse come to Ireland that We've played videos on our show before of these immigrants who've come over there and complaining about cobwebs in their free housing.

Speaker 7

And again it's just the mass number as well. And so the Irish are watching the demographic change in their country at a rate of not they shouldn't be okay with it.

Speaker 1

I'm not economic pressures.

Speaker 6

It's not that you know that they're going to create another little Pakistan in Dublin. It's because people feel like they are economic.

Speaker 2

That's the thing that's started.

Speaker 8

That's that is also happening.

Speaker 7

I've watched countless videos of Irish people begging the truckloads of people from elsewhere in the world being taken to their their like just housing plantation type things in their.

Speaker 8

Country towns and them do not unload.

Speaker 7

Your buses here. We can't sustain these people. Why do you keep bringing them here? To absolutely heartrender.

Speaker 2

We need to go to a break.

Speaker 3

When we come back, we look at what's making news tomorrow, including how authorities ignored warnings that could have prevented the Bondai stabbings.

Speaker 2

All of that and more in the moment.

Speaker 3

Welcome back. Let's look at tomorrow's newspaper headlines. We'll start Joe with the Gold Coast Bulletin.

Speaker 6

Thank you very much, James, and to the great folks on the Gold Coast, my sincere regards.

Speaker 1

Because you have a bit of.

Speaker 6

A problem with a tense city crackdown coming because the council is running out of patients the CBD Jamboree, homeless people in a mushrooming Southport tenth City have been given a deadline of five pm today to pack up or face court action and finds up to eight thousand dollars in an unprecedented crackdown. I'm not surprised. It's unprecedented, I have to say, because I'm not sure if you're chasing someone who has to live in a tent for eight thousand smackaroos, I'm not sure you're gonna get.

Speaker 8

It, and I think they're going to any time.

Speaker 6

But I mean, obviously you have to do something about these things that they're on the spot fine for eight hundred and six dollars. Even that is a little bit steep, but it does remind me of an incredible.

Speaker 1

Story with Salvos once told me about. You might remember youngs Ago. There was a crackdown.

Speaker 6

I think it might have been in the lead up to the last Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, you know, the one that they actually had, and.

Speaker 1

They were trying to move on.

Speaker 6

There was a big homeless problem, lots of people in the streets, but they wanted to go away. So they started introducing sort of move on laws and you could find people for not moving on. And I said to the Salos, you know that seems pretty ridiculous. I mean, as if you can find them or whatever, And so I said, it actually worked really, really well because one of the biggest problems with homelesses is outreach and getting people to to get them in touch with the services

they need that can turn them around. Oftentimes they just don't come forward it and ask for help.

Speaker 1

They too proud or whatever. And so the cops and the Salvos would go out together.

Speaker 6

The cops say, mate, move along up, Sorry, there you go, there's a fifty dollar fine. And then the Salvos work would step and say, hey, mate, I can take care of that for you if you want, you want to come with me, and he'd sort it all out.

Speaker 1

The cops would go off, nothing would happen and what was your name again?

Speaker 7

Right?

Speaker 1

And where have you been sleeping? And then they put him in touch with the services they know. So the interesting thing and timbletrip.

Speaker 3

Point out about that front page, if we can put it back up again, we're talking about trumpet of patriots earlier at the headline tense city crackdown. You notice the advertisement on the bottom there. Another ten thousand Australians became homeless last month. Clive Palmer donated ten million meals to help. So that's great timing the target nicement with that headline. Very well done. Let's go to the Canberra Times. The article there headlined one of the most incompetent economic managers.

Opposition leader Peter Dutton has attacked Andrew Barr. He's the act Chief Minister as quote, one of the worst economic managers labor has ever produced. That's obviously drawn a heated reply for Andrew Barr. Now this of course revolves around Peter Dutton's plan to get rid of forty one thousand

public service jobs ostensibly from the Act. Andrew Barr says it would create absolute economic chaos in the Act, maybe even driving them to recession, which, of course, as Peter Dutton pointed out, as a little rich coming from Andrew Barr, considering the Act will have a net debt of over twelve billion dollars by twenty twenty seven. That'll be eighteen percent of state gross products. So Andrew Barr is not exactly in a great position to throw stones when it comes to economic management.

Speaker 7

Liz No indeed to the front page of the Courier Mail Now an absolutely appalling story revealed how Queensland police missed chance to stop Bondai killer massacre.

Speaker 8

Red flags missed.

Speaker 7

The splash reads Queensland police ignored please from Bondai junction stabber couches parents to admit him to a mental health facility just months before he killed six people in a shopping center massacre. The first day of the inquest into the tragedy also heard that a Queensland doctor said he was a quote fit and proper end quote person to hold a gun license. Conflicting reports there, certainly, but this would be absolutely no comfort to those who lost friends and family in that massacre.

Speaker 8

To learn that his own parents.

Speaker 7

Had called a head because we know that he'd left Queensland come to New South Wales, his parents had done some diligence there, alerting the police. He's now in your state. He is not in a stable state of mind. Please get him the help that he needs. And these please we learned today were just completely ignored.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's just awful. Remember that all through it and it was just.

Speaker 6

The number of cracks that that guy fell through to be able to do what.

Speaker 3

It goes to the broader problem and perhaps this inquest will then prompt a discussion that I think we need to have about how do we.

Speaker 2

Handle people with serious mental illness.

Speaker 3

This guy had been diagnosed with schizophrenia many many years ago, back as far I think as about twenty fourteen. He'd been required to take medication, and as long as his medication fine, he was okay.

Speaker 1

Stop.

Speaker 3

But then when he stopped, everything went south and there was no one there who was responsible for him. Because we've prioritized you know, self determination, self responsibility.

Speaker 6

Is good, which is good, but I think often and often when you have cases like that, you lose friends and family pretty quickly. So I think you need to have some kind of casework or some kind of check in mechanism where if you are at risk of a serious mental illness where it could make your risk of the community, you have to take your meds and you

have to show that you're taking your meds. You have to check in, and then if you don't, that's when that red flag goes up and maybe even gets to act upon.

Speaker 1

How about that, I mean.

Speaker 2

Just on that, imagine if he had got his gun license.

Speaker 3

I mean, it was bad enough as it was, but it could have been potentially even worse.

Speaker 1

It's terrifying to even contemplate. Something.

Speaker 6

However, that is not terrifying to contemplate is the stellar rise in the career of Andrew Charlton, the Labor Party's member for Paramatta and a fine upstanding blonde head, blue eyed.

Speaker 1

I mean, just look at him, like that has anything to do. Look at his teeth, Just look at his teeth.

Speaker 6

This guy's going all the way former economics advisor to Kevin Rudd. But don't hold that Upgains. No, he's a really good guy anyway. So how about I just read the story? How about we just do ALP backbench reformer has eyes on a frontline role Kevin Rud's former economic advisor or see they said it.

Speaker 1

I didn't even have to say it. They said it right here in the article.

Speaker 8

Yeah, but they haven't gushed about his physical appearance.

Speaker 6

It's implied in the copy, Liz, It's implied. Kevin Rud's former economic advisor, Andrew Charlton is positioning himself in the Labor Party as a pro business leader and a contender for a senior economic role for Albanezi government reclaims power despite a strike rivalry with Jim Chalmers. So it's got everything.

It's got the tension, the rivalry, cage match, economic responsibility, pro business, with doctor Charlton having co written economic books the Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stieglitz and served as an influential advisor in doctor Rudd's economic response to the global financial crisis. Some Labor colleagues worry he has been deliberately under utilized by senior figures in the party over the

past three years, despite his talent. He's genuinely enormous to as his super zoomer smart guy moved from Bellevue Hill to Paramatta just so he could live in the electric because he's got more money than God, because he made all this money doing stuff.

Speaker 1

I don't know how people make.

Speaker 3

I reckon if he's positioning to be the pro business person labor party, he wouldn't have to position too hard.

Speaker 2

There'll be plenty of room.

Speaker 6

I think that's on kind Jones. But he is very privacy, he's very sensible. He's built a career in business. Jason Claire, who I know you secretly like I don't want to reveal any confidences. But he had a very strong look inside your soul, James, look inside your style.

Speaker 1

But he also came He came from Crowns the record he came from.

Speaker 6

But no, I'm saying he came from frans Evan as well. He came from a business background as well. So these guys are the you know, the gold standards. James is never going to tell me anything ever again.

Speaker 2

Last time we have a conversation with program, he.

Speaker 7

Gives one complimental one flavor guy and Joe's.

Speaker 6

Never letting James's bank account details. And then another one which I just this Monique Ryan's story. It just keeps on giving.

Speaker 1

I love it. So much.

Speaker 6

Please Monique, don't stop, can't stop, want to stop. China scandal engulfs teal MP Cou Yong teal MP. Monique Ryan has distanced herself from a Chinese community leader after volunteers wearing her campaign uniform were captured on video saying they were instructed to vote for her by an organization historically linked to Beijing's foreign influence operations.

Speaker 1

Oh my god, I love this so much.

Speaker 6

In footage uploaded to a local Facebook group on April twenty two, two individuals wearing Monique.

Speaker 1

Ryan campaign shirts claimed.

Speaker 6

G Jinminen, president of the Hubbai Association, had directed the Chinese diaspora to support the tel MP Hibbe's association.

Speaker 1

It's previously been.

Speaker 6

Accused of working with United Front Department, a Chinese Communist Party agency tasked with advancing Beijing's interests abroad.

Speaker 2

We've got to go to a break. But that's just more good news for Monique Ryan.

Speaker 3

Back in a moment, Katy Perry wishing she was still in out of space.

Speaker 2

That's coming up shortly. Well, Katy Perry is back in the news again.

Speaker 6

Joe, I do not know why people make me do these things, You know how I feel about Katy Perry. It's just the same way you feel about Jason Clair. I love her, adore her, I respect her politics, but nonetheless here he are insufferable. Katie Perry roasted by fans for space inspired tour outfit desperate attempt to say relevant. They say, this is Katie Perry and a new concert tour after coming back from space. Now that to me

doesn't seem particularly safe for space travel. But I still think she should be able to wear whatever she wants. And yet fans have accused her of being insensitive. They've said that she is desperately trying to show off her figure. They say that is this what happens after you go to space and back? Said one very unkind social media user. Well, yes, it is what happens when you go to space and back. Have they been to space and back? No, they haven't,

and Katy Perry has for eleven minutes on a SpaceX rocket. Well, one guy went in an outfit.

Speaker 2

One guy went to Mount Fuji and back.

Speaker 3

Last week, a guy rescued from the top of Mount Fuji, not once, but twice in just four days. A Chinese university student living in Japan climbed Mount Fuji last Tuesday, but then lost his shoes and had to be rescued by helicopter. Four days later, he decided to climb back up again to retrieve his mobile phone. Then he got altitude sickness and had to be rescued a second time.

Speaker 2

Liz, what's that saying?

Speaker 3

If at first you don't succeed, for goodness sake, don't try again.

Speaker 7

He is still more of an inspiration than Katie Perry. I mean this guy in comparison of all the incredible inspiring people alive and dead, humanity could obsess over, they choose an empty shell like Katie Perry to obsess over.

Speaker 8

It makes me sick. This guy's a hero in comparison.

Speaker 1

He's probably been higher than Katy Perry.

Speaker 3

On that note, we got to go enjoy the rest of your evening.

Speaker 2

Up next is read it better? He could

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