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Drone deliveries take-off in Australia, Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested in France. Plus, Disney cancels 'woke' Star Wars show after just one season.

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Speaker 1

Lately.

Speaker 2

Welcome well late de Bay.

Speaker 3

It's great to have your company on the Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond back from holidays caleeb Ah.

Speaker 2

It's good to be back with the family.

Speaker 4

Ah. You know they say you can't pick them, Well I did pick these ones and.

Speaker 5

It is well. We're glad to have you back with us.

Speaker 3

Coming up Sunshine Coast fishermen film a great white shark attacking their tinny. Will show you that incredible footage a little later. Plus, when we get to the papers, you won't believe the cost of Canberra's new sporting stadium and Green's deputy lead at Marine Feruki to investigate anti semitism. All of that when we look at the papers, But you would have heard of meals on wheels. We'll get ready for meals on wings as drone delivery services take

off around Australia now. Drone delivery services have been trialed in this country since twenty nineteen in the Act in Queensland, New South Wales and now in Victoria, delivering everything from coffee to agricultural equipment.

Speaker 5

Once the issue of black spots.

Speaker 3

Has been sorted out, because you don't want drones losing connectivity and dropping from the sky with your coffee.

Speaker 5

The Civil Aviation Authority.

Speaker 3

Reckons that there will be a massive upsurge in drone deliveries. They're predicting sixty million drone delivery flights a year by twenty forty three. Jesse Suskan he's a drone delivery service manager from Wing Aviation. He told The Guardian that it's going to become popular because the slowest part is generally the preparation and loading. But once it's on the drone, whether it's your coffee or your sandwich or whatever, it's usually to you within minutes.

Speaker 5

We don't have to stop for red lights, he said.

Speaker 3

Up to ten kilometers and back in urban and suburban areas is what we focus on. So when you run out of milk, when you run out of children's panadole, it's the convenience of being able to send those things by drone instead of having to drive back to the shops through peak hour traffic. Now, he explained, not only will drone delivery services be convenient for customers, but they're

highly efficient for delivery services. He went on to tell The Guardian where a business would previously need fifty cars and fifty drivers to deliver fifty cheeseburger orders.

Speaker 5

You can deliver them by drone with just one pilot.

Speaker 3

Now, the pilot simply overseas fifty drones in the air at one time, so it's incredibly efficient. And here's a little bit of what it looks like. Sadly, that music doesn't come with the drone delivery. They sound more like a swarm of bees, unfortunately, but you would have seen that, Liz. They're taking off from the top of a shopping center. So retailers simply bring their goods up to the roof. It's connected to a drone fly. It doesn't land in

your backyard. It hobbs about eight meters above the ground. It simply lowers the product down gently onto the grass, and there's your coffee or whatever.

Speaker 5

Do you like this or do you hate this?

Speaker 2

Look?

Speaker 6

It makes a lot of sense. Employers are always going to love technology replacing people. It's a lot cheaper. You don't have to worry about HR or health and safety, a one off payment for a piece of technology that is never going to be requiring a salary, asking to take leave, asking for a raise. Technology works around the clock for free technically. But what I just can't believe with the speed in which we're implementing technology in ways like this is people are making people more redundant.

Speaker 2

By the day, Like what an own goal.

Speaker 6

I just don't understand where we're supposed to head.

Speaker 2

Where are people supposed to go.

Speaker 6

Once we have the driverless cars, we talk about the self service checkouts, that's one thing. It hasn't exactly taken over by storm, but it's nearly almost everywhere. Then we've got the storefronts closing, whether it's banks closing their outlets or just normal retail stores going. Actually it's cheaper for us if you just shop online. Banks go online, banking ATMs everyone. We're just going to close more and more

of our stores. It's way, way cheaper for them. But nobody's answering the obvious question that at the end of the day we're going to be talking about millions of redundancies. Where are these people supposed to go? Oh, how are they supposed to provide for their families? That's when my concern lies.

Speaker 4

Listening to that music, I thought I was back in far North Queensland, where I've just been relaxing on the beaches I've been doing for the last.

Speaker 2

Week or so.

Speaker 4

It kind of reminds me of that scene in Back to the Future where doctor Emmitt Brown fires up the Dolore and he says rules where we're going, we don't need rules. And the question for me is, as you say, is with all this automated technology that we are increasingly developing, a product like this relies on someone buying something, right, You've got to buy the food or the coffee.

Speaker 2

By the way, what the hell are you doing having a coffee delivered to you via drone?

Speaker 4

I have heard no joke of people having cups of tea delivered to their house.

Speaker 2

Like if you can't get up and walk.

Speaker 4

Down to the shop, so getting your car to go and buy some bloody tea bags cat. I know some times you might have hungover on a Sunday morning or whatever, and you don't really want to get out of bed, but it is the height of ridiculousness if you are having coffee or tea delivered to your house.

Speaker 2

But this relies on.

Speaker 4

Someone being able to pay for the products. So if we keep taking away jobs that mean people can earn money, then who's going to be left to buy the bloody product that you've developed in the first place. Because it's much like you know, in the US we talk about the rust belt areas that used to rely heavily on manufacturing for jobs and then those jobs all disappeared with local manufacturing, and a lot of those people have never gained other jobs.

Speaker 2

And we're going to have And I don't like.

Speaker 4

Using the term low skilled, but that is generally what we refer to things like delivery or retail or whatever, as it's not something you need to have a tertiary qualification in order to do. And they're the sort of jobs that people do while they're at university and the sort of jobs that people do when they're a new migrant to the country and they don't necessarily have qualification. Yet it's those people who will eventually be done out of a job, and what are they going to do?

Speaker 2

Then?

Speaker 4

Are we just going to have people sitting around with nothing to do? Because the only jobs that will be left, which are the jobs sort of creating this technology and running this technology, will be ones that actually require a level of qualification.

Speaker 2

So what are you going to do for an entry level job anymore?

Speaker 1

Yeah?

Speaker 3

Will you receive your universal wage provided by the Greens, You'll do nothing and you'll be happy, you Kayleber.

Speaker 5

You mentioned the US.

Speaker 3

They've been trialing these drone delivery services in Texas and they're working perfectly. The problem has been people complaining that it sounds like chainsaws flying over their neighborhood from eight in.

Speaker 5

The morning until ten night night. Yeah, so that's been the challenge.

Speaker 3

Amazon and the Amazon drones are amazing and what they can deliver, but they're now working on trying to make their drones a lot quieter to avoid upsetting neighbors.

Speaker 2

Well, you mentioned the Greens.

Speaker 6

They are someone who will be thrilled by this implementation because of me. It means way less emissions, way less cars on the road, all those delivery drivers suber eats. This is another quote from Jesse Suskin at Wing. He said, we're a business would previously need fifty cars and fifty drivers to deliver fifty cheeseburger orders. To deliver them by drone requires just one pilot. In this article, they were talking to a pilot who was like, yeah, I'm responsible

for fifty drones at any one point in time. So again you're talking about replacing those fifty drivers and those fifty cars on the road with one dude sitting in front of some sort of computer tracking the weather, making sure the drones are going to be Okay, what are people supposed to do for work.

Speaker 2

To the war on free speech?

Speaker 1

Now?

Speaker 6

It is ever raging. The founder of Telegram, which you may not have heard of. It's an end to end encryption app. It's actually got nine hundred million users worldwide because people like the privacy, they like the secrecy it affords, and why shouldn't they. Well, it's founder, his name is Pavel Durov, has just been detained at France airport. He pulled in and his private jet another day another dollar and did not.

Speaker 2

Get to leave the airport.

Speaker 6

He is detained accused of criminal use of his app Telegram. Charges include terrorism, narcotics, trafficking, and fraud. Of course, to any thinking person watching this, you just go this is another crackdown on freedom of speech. They always tell us that they're cracking the whip on Elon Musk and others who are massive free speech defenders because they won't censor their platform, and they always come at it from the perspective of safety. Remember our e Safety Commissioner going after

Elon mus demanding that e sensor free speech. He refused, so has Pavel Durroff. So one wonders are these two things connected. Telegram put out a statement saying Durov has nothing to hide and travels frequently in Europe. A Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act. Its moderation is within industry standards. It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse

of that platform. A tweet from Elon Muss reads free Pavel with a link to attacker Carlson interview that Pavel did with him in April of this year. It went for an hour. The entire thing was incredibly fascinating. But here's a little bit of something he had to say about just how insistent governments and intel agencies have been trying to gain access to users.

Speaker 5

Of his app.

Speaker 7

Last time I was in the US, I brought an engineer that is working for Telegram, and there was an attempt to secretly hire my engineer behind my back by cybersecurity officers or agents. They were curious to learn which open source libraries are integrated to the Telegram's app. On the client side, and they were trying to persuade him to use certain open source tools that he would then integrate into the Telegrams code that my understanding, would serve as backdoors.

Speaker 2

Would allow the US government to spy on people who use Telegram.

Speaker 7

The US government to maybe any other government.

Speaker 2

Tey.

Speaker 6

This guy left Russia he's Russian by birth, because the government wanted in on his app and he refused to censor free speech on the Telegram platform. So he left Russia thinking well, I'll be safe with the Western governments, won't I. And here he is arrested on French soil, which he has a dual citizenship there, as well as the UAE where he's set up the Telegram headquarters in Dubai. So he ends up being arrested and detained for a week. He's due to face a magistrate in France on Sunday.

Speaker 2

By a NATO ally.

Speaker 6

By a friend of the Biden administration, by a well and truly Western government who one would like to believe wouldn't be for censoring a platform like Telegram.

Speaker 3

I can't understand why he is responsible for what people do on his social media platform, which is really just like making the board of Telsta responsible for what people say on a phone call, and for the government to want backdoor access where they can effectively spy on people using this app means nobody is safe. And we all believe that we want sex traffickers and gang lords and

drug traffickers, we all want them court. However, you've got to ask the question if the government, in the process of trying to track sex traffickers, happen to hear you criticizing, say Emmanuel Macron or government policy, and all of a

sudden you're in trouble. And unfortunately, there's precedent around the world, whether what the UK are doing right now looking at social media and jailing people for Facebook posts, or the Canadian government, which we've talked about ad nauseum since COVID, who froze bank accounts of those who dared to protest their policies. You just wouldn't trust Western governments now sadly, to do the right thing.

Speaker 2

No, and let.

Speaker 4

Alone governments that we know to be dictatorial authoritarian regimes. Imagine if you were in government, imagine in Russia or China or any other country where you're seriously worried that you know someone will come around and have you popped off for saying the wrong thing about the government that if they had access to what you were saying privately.

Because they're on Telegram, you can private message people. And there's also what they call channels, which is a bit like any other social media platform Facebook, x et cetera, where multiple people can go on and post and talk to each other. And Telegram, because it is encrypted, is often used by people to discuss things that they wouldn't otherwise want to broadcast publicly. That is the point of

an encrypted system. It's something that politicians themselves use, much like they've used WhatsApp for a long time, because there's an added level of privacy in those communications, and it's communications that they as politicians, don't necessarily want being accessed by other people. It's highly security stuff that they wouldn't want foreign nations getting their hands on, so they use things like signal and Telegram and WhatsApp, et.

Speaker 2

Cetera for that level of security.

Speaker 4

Now, I understand that law enforcement don't lack the fact that that encryption makes it more difficult for them to do their jobs, But how was law enforcement doing their job fifty years ago when you didn't have access to this technology of any kind. And you know, if I'm having a conversation with you face to face, well, unless I'm wearing a bug, you can't get access to that. Somehow law enforcement managed to catch criminals for a very

long time without having ready access to technology. What they're really upset with is that the technology exists, but law enforcement has been outsmarted by it. Of course we want to catch criminals. Of course we want to stop criminals. But why don't we talk about meta Facebook, all the other social media platforms where the criminality, criminality is happening every single day, child abuse material, child pornography is being

posted every single day. Have we seen any of those companies hauled before a court and told you are going to be prosecuted for the dissemination of child pornography. No, Every now and again they front up to some sort of senate inquiry in the US and they get wrapped over the knuckles and told you're doing a bad job. You should do something to clean it up. You don't see Elon muskal or you know, they'll try it with

him eventually. We don't see Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg or anyone getting arrested because the criminality on their platform. If it's hard to do your job, I'm sorry, law enforcement. You've just got to try harder doing your job. That's simply how it works. And you think of all the data that is collected on you now by banks and all sorts.

Speaker 2

Just any extra.

Speaker 4

Bit of data that you can potentially give to law enforcement or government, even if right now you're not doing anything wrong, you never know in future whether you may be doing something wrong in the eyes of the government, and then they're they want to get access.

Speaker 2

To it exactly.

Speaker 5

They'll have the read receipts.

Speaker 2

It is as simple as that.

Speaker 4

Let's come back home to Victoria, where apparently their bidding for the Gay Games. Now I didn't know that the Gay Games were a thing, but apparently they are. It's been going for decades that the last one they had over in Hong Kong, I think had about five thousand people, so it's a reasonably large event. Adelaide and Perth are apparently also in the running for the Gay Games. That it said that Adelaide has now dropped out. They thought they'd leave that to their labor friends over in the

other states such as Victoria and Western Australia. But of course you'll remember that Victoria was the state that under Daniel Andrews, in the lead up to the twenty twenty two state election, secured the Commonwealth Games for twenty twenty six and said they're going to have this great model. It was going to be all through the regions. It was only going to cost about two and a half billion.

It'll be the best thing since Clise Bread. Sorry, then they decided that it was actually going to cost seven billion dollars. Where that number came from, we still don't know. They then paid some six hundred million dollars in compensation to the Commonwealth Games for them canceling the twenty twenty six Commonwealth Games. And we find out today that they think, hmm, we can't do the Common Games.

Speaker 2

But maybe we can do the Gay Games.

Speaker 4

Here's the Sportsmanister Steve Demopolis announcing this today.

Speaker 8

Whether it be the Gay Games or anything else, we're always ready to make ourselves available for a major event that wants to come to Melbourne, Victoria. The Gay Games approached us that were in very early days, so we're in the running out here. So that's great.

Speaker 4

We'll see what happens the Victorian Opposition Tourism spokesman Sam Roth, former professional tennis player. Of course, he said, after wasting six hundred million on the Commonwealth Games, debarkle, how can any Victorian have confidence labor can deliver this event? Well, yes, I don't think any of us have any particular confidence, though you know, they probably learned the listen about going down the regional road. If they do decide to have the Gay Games, I'd never heard of the thing. Why

don't they just call it the Games? You don't have to have the Gay Games. Just roll it into one. There's some free marketing tips for you. But but what the hell is the Gay Games? We should note that the Gay Games, which you would think implies that it is, you know, sort of the equivalent of the Olympics. It was once called the Gay Olympics, but they got into legal travel over using the word Olympics.

Speaker 2

You would think that it was specifically for lgbt IQ people. No, it's for anyone.

Speaker 4

So what how is it even the Gay Games to begin with? I don't know, but Victoria, they cannot see a sporting event that they're not interested in until, of course they're not interested in it.

Speaker 2

I hope. I hope they get the Gay Games just so they can not have the Gay Games. Gotta love Sam Groth there.

Speaker 6

Being like we're always ready to make ourselves bailable.

Speaker 2

For as well.

Speaker 6

You're clearly not, buddy, and Victorians have paid through the nose for a game that you're not even hosting anymore. So you're not always ready, are you.

Speaker 2

What I can't believe was.

Speaker 6

Because I've never heard of these either. Apparently they've been running since the eighties, the Gay Games. How many times when we've discussed the issues around trans competitors at the Olympics or at the trouble that causes with regard to women's sports no longer being women's sports. Sorry, women, you just have to compete with biological men or withdraw and never get to live your dream. We've always said, why don't they just create their own events, their own separate category.

Speaker 9

To now learn that this has existed for decades, but they just insist on ruining it for biological women who rock up to their own events to compete in their own category.

Speaker 6

It makes it even worse. We keep suggesting it, like, oh, brand new idea, You guys should just create a category for all the trans players because then they can have a great time. No one's left out. It's always existed, and people who belong to the trans community just keep rocking up to the non trans games to ruin it for everybody else.

Speaker 3

I got to admit, I'm just completely confused because I watched the opening ceremony of the Paris Games and I thought that was the gay Games. I mean, And in addition, they had a couple of boxes with x Y chromosomes beating women black and blue. That was pretty inclusive, I thought.

Speaker 5

So.

Speaker 3

I wasn't aware that the Olympics was only for heterosexuals. So there's that issue. Why on earth do we have a gay Games in the first place. But you've got to love the labor Victorian government. We can't afford the games, or do you say gay games?

Speaker 2

I can afford games.

Speaker 3

I should point out, just before we're too critical, Oftoria, Adelaide and Perth are also bidding for the Gay Games. I believe there's three out of seven international cities bidding for the games are Australian cities.

Speaker 5

Read into that what you will. But if Victoria win the Gay.

Speaker 3

Games, I mean, it'll be a magical event. They'll hold it at the MCG but it would be in the dark because they can't afford to turn the lights on because they're so broke.

Speaker 5

But I think here's the key.

Speaker 3

We're told that state representatives will travel to Washington to formally pitch their city to organizers in October. So this sounds to me like a wonderful junket for the Tourism Minister. And don't you dare criticize it, because if you do, when you're homophobic and bigoted, aren't you? This is all about diversity and inclusion. So it's beyond reproach, Caleb, you can't criticize it.

Speaker 4

Apparently Sydney had the Gay Games in two thousand and two. Now we all remember the Sydney Olympics. I don't remember the Sydney Gay Games. But there may actually be a little bit of sense in it because I assume if you bid for them win the the Gay Games, you're not going to build any new infrastructure. You're just going to use existing infrastructure, unlike what you would have to do for the Commonwealth Games.

Speaker 2

So if you can get five thousand.

Speaker 4

People to jet into your city or more potentially and spend money while they're there, and you don't have to build anything for it.

Speaker 2

It may actually make some economic sense.

Speaker 4

But I suppose all of that will come out in the watch when Victoria eventually says we've been for it, we've won it, and then two years down the line, we're not going to have it anymore because we can't afford it.

Speaker 2

Well.

Speaker 3

Sticking with the theme, Disney's new Star Wars series, promoted as the gayest series ever, has been canceled after just eight episodes.

Speaker 5

Who would have seen that coming.

Speaker 3

Hopefully, the series, which featured a lesbian witches coven where the mostly women of color, used the Force to impregnate each other, will be banished to a galaxy far far away. Here's some of that scene with these lesbians using the force.

Speaker 5

To just have a look. Now.

Speaker 3

The signs for this series were bad from the beginning. When Disney appointed a queer activist Leslie Headland as the writer and director of the series, she was asked what she thought about this being the gayest Star Wars ever.

Speaker 2

Because nerds are gay.

Speaker 6

Yeah, some nerds are very not gay and are very threatened by.

Speaker 9

Well, that's true, but in my world nerds are gay.

Speaker 10

No, I don't think so, And yet people have told me that it's the gayest Star Wars, and I'm frankly.

Speaker 6

Into it.

Speaker 3

I remember the original Star Wars movies, you know, and they had Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher, who were famously good at does this new series, Acolyte features amndless Stenberg, who's famously non binary and gay, Charlie Bunnett, who famously came out as gay when he was thirteen, and Abigail Thorne, who's famously transgendered. So it's very inclusive, very diverse, and very boring. They spend one hundred and eighty million dollars

on eight episodes, and no one watched it. Liz, I can't believe it.

Speaker 6

Do you wonder if Lucas is just like, why did I sell this?

Speaker 5

Why did I sell.

Speaker 6

This to Disney? He would have seen this in the water right well, the tea leaves, because it was only a couple of years ago that one of the directors at Disney announced to the world. It made headlines that she wanted fifty percent of characters in the children's movies, all the cartoons, as well as massive franchises like Star Wars to be fifty percent LGBTIQ. Now in the acolyte. I'd say it's more than fifty percent. They went for gold and lo and behold, shock and surprise. It's an

absolute failure. People do not like this. Disney already knows this though, because they've had several bombs at the box office as they keep trying to put this kind of ideology into their movies.

Speaker 2

Parents don't like it. Kids.

Speaker 6

Who knows if it goes over their heads or they're actually indoctrinated by it. But this has not been a winner at the box office for as long as Disney has tried it on, and yet they just keep going.

Speaker 2

Do you love losing? What's going on? Disney? We'll just let them keep doing it.

Speaker 4

Just waste as much money as possible until you can't make films and crappy television programs anymore, go back and destroy good things like Star Wars. I mean, you know, it's just a classic case of go work.

Speaker 2

Go broke, isn't it.

Speaker 4

And I love when this happens because it proves that the consumer is not in the same place as the big.

Speaker 2

People and the big corporates.

Speaker 4

And there are lots of people sitting in boardrooms around Australia and around the world at these big corporates who are, you know, well into their sixties and seventies and perhaps have lost touch a little bit, and they get these hip young things, you've just come out of university, and they walk into the boardroom and they go, I'm going to tell you how to get in touch with the young people, the youths, and they say, we've just got

to put more gay characters in. We've just got to have like lesbian scenes where women get pregnant by looking at the moon and shouting things right.

Speaker 2

And then they go, oh, yeah, let's go on board with that. We're going to get the young viewers.

Speaker 4

And then the young viewers don't tune in because when you turn on the telly, you go home at night, right, you sit down. You're sitting there now with a glass of red in hand, or I hope you've got a glass of red in hand, or a whiskey or something.

Speaker 2

Pretty well, you pay the kids to bed. Some people watch sober.

Speaker 4

Well, if you're watching sober, then then good luck to you, because it's not a good so you're doing. I'm saying you need to drink in order to watch this program, but it does sometimes help. But you know, you want a bit of entertainment. You turn on the TV to watch Star Wars. You know you don't want this stuff shoved down your throat.

Speaker 2

You just want to sit back and relax and not really have to think about anything.

Speaker 4

And you're like, oh, geez, Star Wars, I remember Anakin Skywalker, etc.

Speaker 2

And then it's like some weird lesbian pregnancy.

Speaker 3

I tell you was drinking though. And that's the review of Acolyte, who was writing for the Mashable website.

Speaker 5

Listen to this.

Speaker 3

It says, despite plenty of real world evidence that queer people and queer animals exist all over the globe, there aren't any queer folk in an entire galaxy.

Speaker 5

That's absurd.

Speaker 3

This galaxy is the galaxy that had Jabber the Hut Darth Vader.

Speaker 5

It's science fiction.

Speaker 3

It's not meant to reflect you know, San Francisco diversity and inclusion.

Speaker 6

No, okay, galacy far far away. It doesn't help that the main character of the Acolyte loves to indulge in a little bit of casual races.

Speaker 2

Check it out. When people watch the Heat, you give, what do you want them to walk away with? Because I know everyone has a slightly different feeling well.

Speaker 5

I mean white people crying actually was the goal. It's okay when they do it.

Speaker 2

I mean, it's just unbelievab.

Speaker 6

They were talking about another movie that she'd start in. By the way, the hate you give, do not watch it. It's actually been banned several places. No, seriously, it has been because there's quite.

Speaker 2

A few untoward things in it.

Speaker 6

But it is so funny if that was two white people saying, well, the point of my movie was to.

Speaker 2

Make black people cry.

Speaker 5

Ah, you'd be fired, you would.

Speaker 6

Not get to come into work the next day.

Speaker 2

Well, you know what, keep spending your money. Just keep doing it. We love it. Spend as much money as we do a bug light.

Speaker 4

Just waste it all until you've got nothing left to give.

Speaker 2

Let's go to the UK.

Speaker 4

We're a very odd story about a TV into Christy Kirsty sorry Alsop is her name, and she allowed her fifteen year old son to go on a trip across Europe with a mate. Now, once upon a time, many of you at home would remember school holidays.

Speaker 2

You know, you'd be on.

Speaker 4

Your bike after breakfast, out playing with your mates, and mama'd say be home for tea at six pm. No one was tracking where you were. No one cared where you were. You were trusted to look after yourself.

Speaker 2

Now at piece.

Speaker 4

Fifteen, his mate who he went away with is sixteen. You know you can have a job at sixteen, you can leave school at sixteen, Lots of things you can do at sixteen.

Speaker 2

You'd think you could be.

Speaker 4

Trusted to go on a trip away by yourself. Oh a way for about a month. Well, when her son got back, she received a call from Social Services saying, we're a bit concerned about the welfare of your fifteen year old son because you allowed him to go away on his own. How do you put trust in your child? We do not do that anymore. She was flabbergasted to

receive this phone call. Someone obviously had made a report to Social services and this social worker calls her up and she said in response, I knew we were becoming a more risk averse culture in the UK and the US. My time in Switzerland has taught me a lot there as in Japan, children walk to school alone. Oh my god, can you believe it? They're trusted to go to school alone and are encouraged to learn early to be self

sufficient and trusted to make sensible choices. The silver lining to this cloud is that everyone stops and thinks about the freedoms we had as children and ask what harm could be done not by the freedoms, but by the restrictions and fears we are imposing on our kids. He'd been away for three weeks with a mate, so he had someone with him.

Speaker 2

That she trusted.

Speaker 4

Obviously, I'm sure he wasn't in communicado. She could have phoned him at any time. You could have phoned her at any time to say, Mum, I'm in a bit of trouble.

Speaker 2

Come and help me. Whatever. We wrap kids now in so much cotton book.

Speaker 4

You go to a playground, they've ripped out all the good equipment, the monkey bars, you know those spinning things again. You fly off one hundred miles an hour because, oh my god, a kid might break some bones. Parents are worried to let their kids play in the street.

Speaker 2

Oh my god, you might get hit by a car.

Speaker 4

Kids aren't allowed to go walking on their own or with a mate.

Speaker 2

When the young anymore goes, oh my god, you might get abducted. Oh there might be some violent crime.

Speaker 4

You look statistically violent crime, abductions, assault, etc. Happens at a lower rate than it has it any other time in recorded criminal history.

Speaker 2

We have less to worry about them, we ever.

Speaker 4

Have, But we now force kids into a basically lifelong childhood. We don't give them any responsibility, and then we wonder why they grow up to be absolute squibs who can't hack it in the workplace, have to be reassured every five minutes, because they never just sort of chucked out into the world and told we'll go and fend for yourself.

Mother actually says to a sonk I trust you. I'm putting some trust in you to go away for three weeks with your mate, and she cops a phone call from child Services saying we think he's in danger.

Speaker 6

I'd be proud as punch if I was Kirsty Alstot.

Speaker 2

Check out this tweet.

Speaker 6

She said, my little boy has returned from three weeks interrailing. Will be sixteen on Wednesday. So we went with a mate who's already sixteen due to hostile travel restrictions. But they organize the whole thing themselves. Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Berlin, Munich, Marseilles, Toulouse, Barcelona and Madrid.

Speaker 2

If you had a kid who.

Speaker 6

Was capable of organizing a triplight that you know you've done right as a parent, because that is a responsible young man in the making. And let's not forget what kids of yesteryear were capable of. Check Out this sixteen year old post World War Two being interviewed and telling everyone proudly he lied said he was eighteen when he was only fourteen because he wanted to serve his country.

Speaker 1

Sergeant Willey, how old were you when you invested in the army?

Speaker 2

I was fourteen, sir, fourteen.

Speaker 1

How did you get in when you were fourteen?

Speaker 3

Well, I went to Puriosir, and told the recruiting.

Speaker 2

Officer there that I was eighteen, so he let me in.

Speaker 1

How many combat missions were you on in over enemy territory? Twenty two, Sir?

Speaker 2

Twenty two?

Speaker 1

Where were they? Mostly? Mostly they were in Africa, Sir Cicily, Cicily, Pandelurian, Sardinia.

Speaker 2

Have you got a girl back home, nor, sir? Girls don't bother me in much.

Speaker 6

A parents, stop infantilizing your children, especially your boys. They are young men in the making, and I think the more responsibility that they're given from a young age. We're no longer talking about eight year olds working full time as chimney sweets in Charles Dickens type England, freezing to death and dying in chimneys. We are talking about young men who are well and truly capable of shouldering responsibility. And this also comes down to parental discretion.

Speaker 2

We all boys would be up.

Speaker 6

To this, but hers clearly was in her humble opinion, and off they went and nothing bad happened.

Speaker 3

The only thing this mum has done is guaranteed that she won't have a thirty year old sitting in her basement playing.

Speaker 5

Video games in the future.

Speaker 3

The strange part about this story, though, and you read out the tweet where she was boasting about her son's European adventure, But it was because of that tweet I believe that the complaint came. So the complaint to social services. Was it because someone saw this kid alone on a train, or someone saw this kid wondering around Barcelona without supervision. The complaint to social services came when someone read the tweet and thought, oh.

Speaker 5

You shouldn't treat your son like that.

Speaker 3

By that time, he was home safely, no harm had been done. He'd been successful in his journey. But now there's a record with social Services that will remain open for the next number of years, just in case, I guess she sends him on another Karen.

Speaker 6

Who can play year old son who is utterly useless and can't even tie his own shoelaces. Probably just incredibly jealous, being like, well, well, she's just a terrible mother exactly.

Speaker 5

We're going to go to a break.

Speaker 3

When we come back, we'll look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers, including Deputy Green's leader Marine Ferruki to investigate anti Semitism.

Speaker 5

Welcome back.

Speaker 3

Let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow. We'll start with the Adelaide Advertiser. And so Caleb Bond always bags reading the Adelaide News because you love Adelaide so much.

Speaker 4

Of course, and you can catch my column and the Advertiser every Friday. And we've got two Southustralian legends on the front of the tars it's more Maggie Year unfortunately has had a fall at home, but she is recovering well. We are told, Get well Maggie and Graham Corn's in the bottom right hand corner there, of course, the inaugural coach of the Adelaide, Crows and great from Glenelgin. The Sandfill has apparently sadly separated from his wife Nicole. But as it says there, he hopes it's.

Speaker 2

Not the end.

Speaker 4

Thinking of you, Cornsey, you're a good feller. But the splash tomorrow Holy Cow bills rise. Iconic fruit and dairy business Nippies monthly power bill has more than doubled in an electricity cost crisis gripping the agriculture industry. The managing director says, basically, what's happened is they had a previous contract that ended last year in December. That meant they got a good rate on their electricity.

Speaker 2

When that ended, the.

Speaker 4

Monthly bill doubled from fifty one thousand, six hundred to one hundred and nine thousand and five hundred and eighty, despite the fact that they install called a million dollars worth of solar panels and actually using less electricity than they were before. Now Nippi's is a great South Australian company. I'm quite partial to a Nippy's iced honeycomb milk. If you haven't had one, I recommend you give it a go. But this is the reality for business and Nippe's is

a reasonably big business. But can you imagine if you were a small business and you've taken every measure you possibly can the solar panels, et cetera, to try to cut your costs, and your power deal changes and overnight your power costs double. It would be impossible for so many businesses to stay afloat. It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 3

Well, turn you plibosec would say that they should be grateful. Imagine if I haven't spent a million dollars on solar panels, imagine how big their bill would be then, So they've actually saved money, Liz, it's all about perspective, you see.

Speaker 6

Well, this article says dairy farmer's bills have sawed past one hundred thousand dollars a year. I hate how much farmers in this country are dutted by our governments. I mean, you'd think, sure, okay, energy has gone up for everyone, But when we're talking about the people who manufacture our food, shouldn't there be some allowances made because that's kind of important.

Speaker 2

We already know.

Speaker 6

That they're dutted by the supermarkets, especially if you're a dairy farmer. Those guys pay nothing for the milk.

Speaker 5

That we buy.

Speaker 6

It's utterly ridiculous. Remember the milk wars of two thousand and ten. It ain't much better now, if at all. And they're constantly told these stupid promises. Government never comes good on that turn around all we're burning live export now, nobody gets a heads up. Entire industries are just gutted, and then they rock up to these rural festivals and stuff like, oh shake my hand, press the flesh, I'm just here.

Speaker 2

For photo ops.

Speaker 6

I wish they'd just be booed out of the rural areas because never before have I seen governments do less for the farmers in this country. And we call a lot of people the backbone of Australia, but who more than our farmers. If it weren't for them, we'd all be dead, literally dead, and yet nothing.

Speaker 3

Thank God, that renewable energy is the cheapest form of energy known to man and we're all reaping the benefits of it. Let's go to the Canberra Times where the headline reads Civic stadium nudges three billion dollars. You've got my attention already. How can canber acquire a.

Speaker 5

Stadium three billion dollars?

Speaker 2

Worth.

Speaker 3

The Opta Stadium in Perth, which is magnificent, cost one point six billion dollars and seat sixty thousand people. This one's only going to seat thirty thousand. The article reads, the cost of a new stadium in Civic could be close to three billion dollars. The ACD government has revealed in a set of figures significantly higher than previous estimates.

So three billion dollars a thirty thousand seat stadium. And here's the kicker, the cost is almost four hundred percent higher than the government had originally forecast just a few weeks ago. So this is a highly unusual story, Caleb, where you've got government cost estimates blowing out by four hundred percent.

Speaker 5

This is very unusual. We don't really see this around the country.

Speaker 3

In Victoria or Queensland, governments tend to be fairly on the money, were doing their costing.

Speaker 2

We've never heard of a cost blowout in my life. How does it come to three billion dollars? That is three billion dollars?

Speaker 4

Now we go back to talking about the Gay Games earlier and what Victoria originally budgeted to put on the Commonwealth Games.

Speaker 2

It was what two point six billion or something.

Speaker 4

Right, So for the cost of what originally they thought, I mean they said seven billion. Later I think the number was just sort of plucked out of the ass.

Speaker 2

It's not real.

Speaker 4

But for two point six billion dollars they were supposedly going to put on the entire Commonwealth games, including the infrastructure camera. They want to build a stadium and it costs three billion dollars. Now, you pointed out what it costs to build up the stadium in Perth when Adelaide Oval was upgraded, and I will admit that it was a bit over a decade ago, but that cost him about five hundred and thirty million dollars. How do you possibly get to three billion dollars?

Speaker 2

And who the hell is going to go to a.

Speaker 4

Three billion dollar stadium in canbra I'd go once just to check it out to see what a three billion dollars stadium look like.

Speaker 2

But that is inside.

Speaker 3

If you supported the Canberra Raiders, I guess you'd be pretty happy with it. And which AFL team plays in camberra gws?

Speaker 5

Yeah, I think they that they'd spend three billion.

Speaker 3

Dollars out where is it Homebush? I hate watching Great Western City in that stadium.

Speaker 2

You love watching gws old one.

Speaker 5

Hundred dollars towards the three billion dollar costmes.

Speaker 6

The only ones worth watching to the front page of the Herald Sun.

Speaker 2

Now will smoke you out.

Speaker 6

You crackdown on organized crime gangs illicit tobacco trade as authority sees almost five billions cigarettes at border in past three years. Organized crime gangs are smuggling unprecedented amounts of tobacco into Australia, with authorities revealing they have seized almost five billion cigarettes at the border in the last three years.

Can you blame them with the excise? Okay, I'm not making excuses for this, but sis, there's like with the excise placed on cigarettes, the tax on tobacco in austrauct You talk to any pom, for instance, and you tell them that a pack of twenty five cigarettes you're looking at around fifty five dollars, They literally you see their heads explode. I don't know if we have the most expensive cigarettes in the world, but we have got to be up there.

Speaker 2

It is some of the highest costs in the world.

Speaker 6

And no wonder the chop chop shows just like this place is fertile brand.

Speaker 4

Exactly, and the insanity of it is that the government says, oh, we've got to have this high excise to discourage people from smoking. No, the high tobacco excise is not about discouraging people from smoking. It's because the government is more interested in the coffers, coowfers than the coffers, cough s or ers, because they're making shard loads of money out of it, lots and lots of money. That's what it's

all about. They know people are addicted and so they just want to eat every last cent out of them that they can.

Speaker 2

The illegal tobacco I was going to say industry, it's not really an industry.

Speaker 4

It's criminality, but it has exploded in Australia. Something like twenty percent of the entire tobacco market in Australia now is illegal cigarettes. People would buy the legal product if they could, but they can't afford it, so they buy the illegal product, and in the process the government actually dug itself out of tax that it otherwise would have earned if it had had a lower exercise.

Speaker 2

You look at the US.

Speaker 4

Where a packet of daries is about twelve bucks as opposed to the forty fifty odd that it is here, and the smoking rates are pretty much the same in Australia and the US, so it doesn't actually make a difference to whether or not people smoke. It's just government greed. And in the process of this government greed, they put money in the hands of biking gangs.

Speaker 2

And organized crime. Well done.

Speaker 4

The government via the tobacco excise is funding sex trafficking and slavery and rape and murder.

Speaker 2

In this country. Well done federal government.

Speaker 3

Now we didn't quite get to the Australian, but the Australian's worth getting tomorrow, including the story on Marine Ferruki being appointed to a committee to investigate can you believe it? Anti Semitism? It's well worth the read tomorrow.

Speaker 5

We're going to go to a break. When we come back.

Speaker 3

Some Sunshine Coast fishermen they film a great white shark attacking their votes. We'll show you the footage. Just a monment, all right, welcome back. Let's talk about pets. Elizavie ever had a pet of her dog's never a Catwe I love a.

Speaker 2

Good dogg oh story.

Speaker 6

We never had a dog because my mum would always tell us, if there's gonna be another pair of legs running around here.

Speaker 2

Old be another baby.

Speaker 6

She meant it too, the seven of us, but to the States now with this dog, his name is Roger was fired at a very young age by the narcotic squad because he was just way too friendly. But he's found he is calling as a search and rescue dog. Now heralded as a hero.

Speaker 10

Roger was called to duty earlier this year when a deadly seven point four magnitude earthquake hit eastern Taiwan. For days, Roger and his teammates, including a terrier named Wilson, Sniffed and Claude, have rubble in the mountains to find victims trapped by landslides. Because its meal, he showed no fear or reluctance.

Speaker 4

He says.

Speaker 10

He's truly an outstanding search and rescue dog.

Speaker 6

Can you imagine him? He's now Look at me now, haters, if you're a narcotic squad, look at me now. On international to either.

Speaker 3

When I was growing up, we had a German shepherd that we got from the Double A f It was meant to be a security dog, but it wasn't vicious enough, so we ended up with it. It was a great dog, beautiful dog.

Speaker 4

Yeah, so you thought, well, I'll get that. That'll be good for me when the crims come knock and he won't be doing anything. What's the point of having a dog if it's not going to attack someone for even say, but good on your roger.

Speaker 2

The guy has two cats.

Speaker 4

I'm more useful, but expecting the cats to defend me. If I was going to have a dog, I'm not going to have some yappy, little chiuala rat looking thing. That the German shepherd was not vicious the looind of a German shepherd.

Speaker 2

Lictim to it.

Speaker 10

Now.

Speaker 4

I've been up in Queensland as you heard for the last week. It was lovely and I saw a few crocs. But one thing I didn't see was a great white shark unfortunately.

Speaker 2

Well, it depends on the perspective.

Speaker 4

These fellows were out in the Timmy on the weekend off the Sunshine Coast.

Speaker 2

They certainly saw a great white Holy goo, whoa, whoa, it is bit more boat. It is a bit more boat. Well that's what the great we did timmy bow. He smashed me.

Speaker 4

If that was me, I not only have a scuffed up boat, I would have underwear in need of replacing.

Speaker 2

Suspect they drop a.

Speaker 3

Hook in there anyway. That's it from us stick Around. Coming up is The Reader Penny Show.

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