The Late Debate | 17 June

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Wait, general, welcome to the Lighter Base.

Well, thanks for your company.

I'm James macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming up tonight. The US President literally freezes on stage and has to be chaperoned by Barack Obama. Some would argue that's what's been happening for the last few years.

Plus.

When we get to the papers, the CFMAU grants its members of twenty one percent pay rise, and the Herald Sun reports how Victorian police will be given brand new powers in a bid to fight knife crime.

But before we get to all of that, a.

American tech company, one of the fastest tech companies in the world, has just made headlines by admitting they're not hiring staff based on diversity, equity and inclusion. The company instead is hiring people based on wait for it, they're intelligence. The CEO of Scale Ai says it instead of hiring people for their color or their second orientation, they're instead hiring people for their ability to do the job, which may explain why in just eight years the company has

And it's bad for everybody.

It puts qualified people out of jobs they should be doing, and it puts unqualified people into jobs they have no place to be doing, like Claudine Gay from Harvard University or Kamala Harris, to name another, as the US vice president. Are you surprised, Liz, that someone's actually decided to employ people based.

On no People are getting back to business, and the business of business is to make money. So I'm sure any shareholders in a place that upholds the DEI principles are noticing we keep missing out the reason why guys like Elon Mask can buy Twitter fire eighty percent of the workforce. He used to have eight thousand employees. Once he was done culling, it was just fifteen hundred. That behemoth now runs off just fifteen hundred people. And he was able to do so because he kept the smartest,

In order to run our ship smoothly.

So thank goodness, because we all know if you do away with the hierarchy of competence, you just get chaos. And that is what we are seeing breaking out in these corporates, whether it's little ways or large And we saw this the it would have been last week alone with bud Light, with Target, with these companies that took up these massive woke campaigns cost their shareholders dearly. I bet those guys aren't so passionate about DEI hiring in the workplace anymore. Your job is to make us money.

I've got to disagree with you on the Twitter thing, though, because if Elon Musk had not got rid of all those stuff, we would be free of our e Safety Commission.

So you figure that that's what she used to work for.

She was I'm sure, I'm pretty sure she was floating around the service four. Elon Musk got got to Twitter and look, may I open by saying it's nice to have you back on the late debate, James, and you are proof that it is. You are still useful as a member of the workforce, tod aff at the age of fifty, So maybe maybe you qualify to DEI measures.

And I was thinking of a birthday cake on Wednesday for your birthday.

It now short Sky News is going to buil that for all its worth in terms of subsidies that we may be able to get through.

This is what I told me.

Caleb said how much he'd enjoyed hosting, and he wished you weren't coming here.

We don't listen, don't believe a word list is She is full of garbage as usual, But isn't it extraordinary that here we are opening a television program in twenty twenty four with a story about some checks notes a person who is hiring.

The best person for the job.

What does that tell you about and where we have come to that It is literally a story when a guy says, yeah, I'm going to hire the best person for the job, apologetically prefer people who are very smart.

That's a news story.

Now, what does that tell you about where we've come to? And it was only a matter of time before this was going to happen because if you look, and it's not only employers who are obviously starting to reap the consequences of what they have sown, but it's also all the people who have to work with these people who are not appointed on merit, who sit around tapping away or whatever their job might be and actually getting the

And they've got no reason to excel.

I mean, how frustrating is that when you know it doesn't matter if I'm the best in the department, I'm not going to get that promotion because I'm a guy or I'm.

A fill in the blank. This is how they got the infamous joke of the USSR. They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work.

No one's trying to excel, no one's trying to get ahead, because they all knew there is a certain system we're operating within here and it doesn't reward the hardest work.

And this was entirely predictable because long before anyone sort of DEI, you'd hear guys on work sites talk about the fact they've got a new guy on the work site and he's working too fast, and so he told him we're going to carry less bricks, slow down. So that's human nature, right, and so the DEI thing was entirely predictable that it was not going to be good for productivity or for business. Fortunately, corporate starting to work

Then we'll get a better country.

I just wonder how fast you can actually unwind it, though, because when these policies, I mean these policies have been pushed for the better part of ten years now, and particularly you look at things like politics, quotas for women, etc. So if the employers decide that they're now going to go away from DEI and they do want to go back to actually just hiring the best person for the job, all these people who thought they were guaranteed jobs just

Oh, the accusations of races, the accusations of biggotedness?

Is that a word? It is?

Now?

But then God, it's an AI cego who's taking merit very seriously because we know AI is the way of the future, whether we like it or not.

The horse has bolted.

So it was with great interest we read today in our headlines that open AI, which we were talking about just last week because quite a few whistleblowers left the company saying, look, we can't go into detail, but what's happening there is dangerous and we want no part of it. Well, in an effort to reassure the community, Open AI has appointed a former ns A director.

To their board.

Who finds this reassuring not me. The National Security Agency is the biggest and most secretive surveillance organization in America. What does that tell you? Well, the former director, his name is Paul Nakasoni. He comes out with this lovely epithet, saying how glad he is to be joining the team. He simply says, open Ai occupies a unique role facing cyber threats while pioneering transformative technology that could revolutionize how institutions can bat them.

I am looking.

Forward to supporting the company in safeguarding its innovations, will leveraging them to benefit society at large.

Well, mate, we all.

Know how the NSA benefits society at large. On the same day that disappointment was announced, Edward Snowden tweeted this.

He said, they've gone full mask off.

Do not ever trust open ai or its products, Chat, GPT, etc. There is only one reason for pointing an s NSA government government director.

To your board.

This is a willful, calculated betrayal of the rights of every.

Person on earth. You have been warned.

Now.

You would remember Edward Snowden because he is the man responsible for the biggest intelligence leak in NSA history. Over

I mean, there's no argument about that.

What they were doing, the data that they were gathering illegally. And now we have the former director of that same agency now working for open AI, just days after they've had disgruntled employees leaving, saying this is dat dress, almost in Edward Snowden fashion, this is dangerous.

We're leaving, we want no part of it.

You could dismiss it as just one of those things, but you've got FBI, CIA and NSA former staff members entrenched at Twitter Google at Facebook, we saw during the Hunter Biden laptop fiasco how the Secret Services pressured social media companies to either suppress information or delete accounts, not allow things.

To be shared.

So you've got all of these former Secret Service people now embedded in social media companies. It's hard not to think more is going on than just a few people have found themselves a nice cushy job after serving the government in secret service.

True and look to be perfectly honest.

If you are running any of those companies, I can totally understand why you would hire someone from MIT inside because the knowledge they would bring you is probably worth every cent you are paying them, not as.

Much as the knowledge that they're taking.

But as to the point of whether the mass is coming off, I don't think the mask is coming off. The mask's been off forever. I mean, we all kind of know that these companies are just milking us for all we're worth. Right, and Meta with its AI system as of the end of the month, will compulsorily take

And in the modern world, that's very difficult to do.

Like we're saying, you've got to get off Facebook, you've got to get off Instagram, you got to get off everything. You can't use AI and these things are just part and parcel of modern life. We're saying, you've got to go back to the Stone Age if you don't essentially want to have every little sceric of your being stolen from you. So what do we meant to do consumers in that world?

I mean Elon Musk pointed this out the other week, didn't he Where he said he would ban his one hundred thousand employees from bringing an iPhone onto the site. Now that iPhone or Apple rather combining with open ai. And so Elon Musk has and this is before we've talked about former NSA officials working for open Ai.

So add that to the mix.

But just take your real mission at this point, Like serious.

Musk was on the board at AI, at open ai when it first started. So he's pointing out the problems and the dangers with this so when Elon Musk is raising the alarm, it's something people should.

And he was one of many who a year ago put out early adopters and a part of the AI world who said that we actually really need to talk about the seriousness of where this is going. I mean, be even sake, this is a blow who wants to put chips in people's brains that are linked up to AI, and even he acknowledges that there are dangers in this system.

Now you might be.

Aware that Louise Elliot has been pursued by her own counsel many times for comments that she has made around transgenderism, etc. Stuff she said on social media. She's been counseled by the council pardon the pun. Other counselors have complained about it.

Well.

She went off to try and hire a hall for this event in her capacity as a private citizen. She didn't try to use throw her weight around as a counselor to say you must give this to me. And they denied her the opportunity to hire the hall on the basis of what the event would be. And all of this came out in an FOI request. Well, actually part of it was denied in the FOI request, but

And it was quite malicious because whoever it was in council that saw the booking then notified a transactivist in Hobart that Louise Elliot has made a booking and encouraged

Pulled from pillar to post.

So at a post that's the expression I was looking for, and as you said, had to undergo counseling sessions to realign her thinking with.

The altercation, education.

Re education. How much did the rate payers pay for that? I mean it says a lot when anything pro women is now automatically seen as anti trans and right, the automatically up the nose of those people and they feel like they've got a right.

To tear it down.

You never see these at pro men events. It's always the women's space is under attack. It's the women's sports under attack. All the men want in on our stuff. It is absolutely infuriating. I'm so glad that she's won this round because we need to see more of this. And like she says, oh, Hobart.

You're so inclusive, you're so diverse.

I mean, the Biscuit of Australia is one of the most.

Left leaning places in the nation.

Thank goodness, there are a little bit of a water ways away. But here she goes when it came to actually being pro women, I copped it and I've had to put up with the gas lighting, the lying, the scheming. Props to her for even staying on the council, She's still got to work with these people.

You know.

The question it raises is how many other people who have conservative ideas have been blocked from hiring council facilities. Because Louise Elliott, as an insider, fought this thing, went to the Anti Discrimination Commission, had to wherewithal to know how to handle things and how to do things. How many other people without that background got denied the opportunity to hire a hall and just said, oh, well, I guess it's busy, when in fact it may not have

Yeah.

Correct.

And that's the pernicious nature of all of this is that, you know, it's one thing to see protests, right, and you've seen, particularly in Victoria, when they've tried to hold pro women rallies on the steps of Parliament House, that you then get the transgender mob rocks up with a counter protest.

The aggresses are never.

The people who were there saying, you know, we care about women's sport and women's spaces. It's always the pro transgender mob that rocks up and is willing for a fight. They want the fighting is about them.

Correct, correct, everything.

That's one thing, because that's very public. What is happening here or what happened here? If it were for someone like Louisianad actually finding out what was going on and taking it on, no one would have had any idea what it actually happened. And that's the worst part of it all is that not only is the agenda being run in public, the agenda is being run in private. And like you say, how many other examples of it

They want to have the event for.

Like, you know, if you said I don't want to neo Nazi rally there, I think we'd all agree with that. But someone says, Okay, I want to have an event talking about how great women are protecting women's spaces, and that's the sort of thing that we don't allow. I would be surprised if that's the only one on the list, and that if Hobart's City Council was the only place that's doing it.

Indeed, And if you think that's bad, check out this council in La another council countwing Julie LGBTIQ lobby.

Check this out. I bet you did not know this before tonight.

You turn signs are anti LGBTIQ.

Check it out.

Eli's city council members you Go, Soda Martinez and Nathia Rahman were on hand today to help remove the signs they see. The no cruising and no U turn signs were put up in the nineteen nineties to prevent people in the gay community from meeting up with other gay people, or.

Maybe there's just a sign saying no U turn because you can't chuck a U turn there.

I mean, this is radical news to me. But here's one of the council people, nith.

Ya Yaman, saying that these signs are indeed homophobic.

Los Angeles has a rich history of.

Welcoming the LGBTIQA plus community, but there has also been real and present homophobia, which at times has been inscribed into the city's physical spaces, as.

With these no U turn signs. Someone helped me out here. I am so confused.

We just talked about the facts that there is nothing you can do that certain people won't make about themselves, and now we have U turn signs.

That there's a story signs.

Back in the nineteen nineties in Silver Lake in Los Angeles, there was a certain area where gay people would go to hook up, and it was a residential area, and people got sick of people cruising the streets looking for a hookup, so the council put up signs saying no cruising. In other words, when you drove through that area, you

Well, all of a sudden, the LGBT sign. They did an order area.

And they found that there were eight signs that remained from the nineteen nineties that were originally put there to stop people cruising. The signs were not anti LGBTQ. They were anti public sex and prostitution.

That's what they were. Because it has been built as a win for the lgbt.

So surely two things could be true at once. It can be entirely true that the signs are of very little use now because those areas are no longer being used as gay beats.

Only the eight that remain, maybe they are the eight that are genuinely just.

Know you they could be. But it's also true that they're not homophobic, because it was simply about the fact that there were lots of people gathering in those areas that night. Now, if someone decided that they were going to have a knitting club on the front of my street between midnight and six am every day, and people were going to come down doing laps seeing if they could buy a knitted beanie from grannies, I'd be pretty you know it about that, because they'd been keeping me

If you've got people.

Gathering on a residential street every night doing lapse between midnight and six a and of course you're going to go to the council and have a sign put up to say don't come here. It's got nothing to do with the fact they're gay.

You know, it's crazy gay. It always does. I've read about this story in the LA time. So I'm reading the article blah blah blah. And then you know, when you get to the end of a newspaper article and sometimes it has a photo of the journalist and it says, you know, Caleb bond Sky News. At the end of the article, it's got the name of the journalist and it's got they them queer Asian American writer. This isn't a special writer. This is just the local journalists. So in Los Angeles this is a.

Very big deal.

It's not just street signs. Everybody, absolutely everybody. I don't know if you guys have had this phenomena recently, but I've had this a lot lately.

You turn signs in the street, well, it's to do.

With driving, but not for knitted beanies. When you're driving through the streets, you stop an intersection and there will be a car in front of me and I'm looking at them, thinking it's not a Mazda, it's not a Toyota, it's not a Ford.

And I've actually said to my kids, what is that car?

Because there are so many Chinese vehicles now with the prevalence of electric vehicles BYD. I'd never heard of BYD, but it's now the biggest selling electric vehicle in the world. It's just overtaken Tesla. And of course even with Tesla's now eighty percent of electric vehicles are manufactured in China. Steve Price recently spoke on Sky News to Paul Grover.

He's a journalistic car expert.

He explained just how many Chinese brand electric vehicles will be in our roads over the next ten years.

Have listened by Mike Cout There'll be five or six extra new Chinese brands on Australian soil selling here before the end of the year. And I've got a long term forecast from Maide of mine who's worked for a long time as an import.

He said there.

Could be forty or fifty Chinese brands here by the turn of the decade.

So forty or fifty brand new Chinese brands of EV's by the end of the decade.

Have a look at this graph.

It shows you just what or how much of the market the Chinese now have in electric vehicles. In twenty twenty four, fifteen million evs sold, ten million of those were Chinese brands. Now, you don't really care where your car is manu factored. But there are some specific concerns about the fact so many evs are made in China. Number One, safety tends to be an issue because, as we know, a lot of goods made in China are made very quickly, they're made very cheaply, so safety is a problem.

On top of that, you've.

Got security issues because of course evs are really just computers on wheels. Now you've talked about data. I mean they're collecting constant data. There's individual privacy and so there's all of these issues. Now, is it a good thing that so many of our vehicles are coming from China when there are such concerns?

If you had told me when I was a child, let alone when you were a child, that by the time I was in my twenties we'd be getting around in Chinese cars, I would have told you you were an idiot.

Right.

It was, you know, Fording Holden and V eights and how goods all of this.

Now we're going to get around in Chinese electric vehicles. Now there's all the concerns about safety and where your data goes, etc. We've also got to consider that with the proliferation of Chinese vehicles, and of course we've got the Chinese premiere in the country at the moment, that what China has done has noticed that there is a hole in the market, right because evs at the moment are hideously expensive in most cases, and so if you want to enter the market, you're not willing to pay

Very smart of them to do so.

But once we start buying all of our vehicles from China, it of course just boosts Chinese superpower as an economic superpower, and then I don't know, what, do they just become the entire car manufacturing.

Hub of the world.

I mean a lot of the teslas that come to Australia are already manufactured in China and they're expensive. Now we're talking about these cheaper Chinese ones. And of course all these vehicles, electric vehicles that are being made in China.

What do they have over there that powers their industry. I'll let me think, Well, that's.

Right, Australian coal. So all this stuff that we dig up out of the ground, be it metals or fossil fuels or whatever, that we are selling to China because we weren't burned here is what they are using over there to create rampant, cheap industry that creates these vehicles that they eventually sell back to us, because we believe that that's then good for the environment, because we plug them into the wall and fill them up with power that comes from brown coal that have been burnt and

Feel warm and fuzzy having absolutely shot ourselves in the face with an elephant dart.

You've got to hand it to China.

They're like, oh, yeah, let's seize on this whole zero emission stuff that Western countries love it. We're still going to build a coal fired power plant about once every fortnight, brand new one.

Ping, there it goes again.

While these guys are carstrating their prosperity in the name of zero.

So let's go.

Let's give them their evs cheap and crappy as they may be.

They'll pay through the nose for it. We just get to.

Keep making money off these people.

Same goes for the.

Chinese solar panels. Oh, we're all buying out solar panels from China. They themselves aren't doing a thing to get their emissions down.

They in India being.

The biggest emitters in the world. No, no, they don't care about that. They're just going to make money off how stupid the Western world is pursuing this complete scam that is zero emissions, whether it's by twenty to fifty or by any other year. Check out this grab by is it Christopher Hitchins. I always get the brothers mixed up. Peter Hitchins talking about just how ridiculous it is the West bending over backwards to achieve these aims while we're actually not really achieving anything at all.

The contribution which this country is making by what it's doing to these outcomes is not merely minimal, it's non existent. Everything that we do is completely blotted out by what

Now he's talking about the UK there, but here in Australia we are responsible for one point three percent of global emissions. It is not even a drop in the ocean, and yet the extent that we're going to I just you've got to applaud China on this, just being like they're stupid enough to fall for it. We're just going to keep manufacturing all this rubbish that they.

Think that they need.

Meanwhile, we've got a new call fired power plant going up every five minutes.

Thanks for your call, Australia.

We are literally funding their prosper it ready by crucifying our own.

Well, I mean, we're even twice as stupid as you say, because not only are we funding their prosperity by crucifying our own, but then the junk they're sending back to us collects data on all of us. Yeah, I mean you read about how the government officials meeting with the Chinese premiere were given Berner phones in Australia because they weren't confident that their data would not be hacked by

Should police be allowed to drive electric vehicles?

Should judges or politicians be allowed Because if it's collecting where you're going. We talked about how insurance companies are using facial recognition from your car to judge whether you're falling asleep or et cetera, et cetera, how fast you're driving. When they're collecting that much data, it starts to raise the question who should be driving electric vehicles and who ought not be because we don't want the Chinese to know everything about them.

Well, any self respecting individuals should not be driving an elit egle.

I mean, come on, they don't make any noise. A plot twist.

The bernafones were huaweis no. I don't think they were actually going to.

Be pretty funny if they were.

China's the la laugh.

Here's something else China can build for us. Have about a few offshore wind farms, so we know down in Victoria they were talking about this was going to be the next big thing.

They had this big territory off the coast.

Of Victoria and South Australia that was going to be this big offshore wind farm zone. And then that sort of been shrinking and shrinking and shrinking and shrinking because they've kind of worked out that it's not worth investing in but not.

So in New South Wales.

There's a big wind farm's going to go off the coast of Little Warror here in New South Wales. Has been approved over the weekend by the federal government. The locals are up in arms because this thing will be twenty odd kilometers offshore, but they're two hundred and sixty meters tall, these wind turbines. One wonders whether it will be manufactured in China and sent to us. He is the great Energy Minister, Casanova Bowen, foreshadowing that all of this was going to happen.

Industries like Blue Scope need renewable energy and lots of it, and need constant renewable energy.

Offshore wind is exactly that constant renewable energy. Well, thankfully, the coalition has promised that if they were elected at the next federal election, which of course is highly unlikely, but we appreciate the promise anyway, that they would scrap the project, and rightly so. I mean, you can understand why.

You'd be a bit peeved.

You go down to the beach and you sit in there having your fish and chips, and your kids.

Like daddy, what s they're out there?

That's just a bird incinerator, that thing. And apparently it affects the whales as well, because of course it admits all these electropulses and stuff, and.

It's right in the middle of a migration.

Yeah.

Yeah, thousand whales every year migrate through that ERAa.

So it's great for the environment, right.

And I had Gary Hardgrave on Credlin earlier tonight and he said it, you know, it wasn't about the environment, it was about murdering Miggeloo.

Was such a good line. Well.

Fiona Phillips, she's a local MP, so she was boasting on Facebook about how many jobs this offshore wind project would create and lo and behold. If you look at her Facebook page, the comments are not particularly complimentary.

I love all the coalitions getting faster though, just swatting these bags. Sooner have they announced as you pure object and Dunton's like and will be canceling that should we get in. Just ride the way the fury to be like, vote liberal, it won't happen.

Literally ride the wave all the twenty kilometers out to the well.

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Welcome back.

Well, we were all pretty happy with our jobs here at Sky News until we saw the front page of tomorrow's Canberra Times.

Liz read it and weep, you guys. The spread reads aps bosses on.

Their way to one million dollar salaries.

Tell us more, several public service bosses are we in touching distance. Touching distance seems a weird way to put it of joining the first of their cohort to pass the million dollar salary mark thanks to a three point five percent pay rise. Three point five percent doesn't sound like much until the next power tells you the public service's highest paid secretary will get a pay bump of

Down food bank store.

And these people, we wonder why they're so out of touch with what every day Australians want and need out of the policy they make, they create and they do not have to suffer through the consequences of what.

On a million dollars a year. They're out of touch with the Prime minister.

He's only on about five hundred and sixty grand.

Yeah, yeah, five eighty six, nine fifty. I think it is as of all people, what can.

They possibly be doing, Caleb to genuinely deserve this kind of money.

Well, look, the reason they're paid that money is of course because they're competing with the private sector as well in terms of trying to find people who want.

To head up these departments.

But it really is You've got to ask the question if the bloke who is calling all the shots or some of the shots. The Prime Minister is on five hundred and eighty six odd k and then of course his ministers, who are technically in charge of these departments. The minister makes the decisions that the staff and the secretaries of those departments then execute, So the minister is on at least half less money than the bloke that he then goes off.

All the women for that matter, or the non barnary persons.

Goes off too, and says the this is the job you have to do, like you shouldn't the minister be on that money.

The minister is the one who has to make all.

The calls for a massive pay rise for all of our empty It doesn't.

Quite work that way, because it's the bureaucrats in these departments who go to the minister, who usually knows like nothing about their actual ministry, and tells them this is the plan. Well that is that is The ministers can tweak it, they've got a rubber stamp it, but even at that point they don't know what that is. Me that is as we see daily through the likes of Jarles and Claire.

But it is O'Neill, clear, clar O'Neal, I even deserve for mitigation now henceforth being known on this program neilo clear.

Flags on every project, and.

Allows union officials to intersites without illegal permit if they are invited by an employer. Isn't this good news for the cf emmy you. They're also getting funeral cover between nine thousand and fifteen thousand dollars for their family should they ever need that. They're going to get back pay in the whole lot. But I just love this quote from a punter or a member of the union who was at the vote today says, you're applauding the pay rises.

There's not enough.

Ford Rangers in the country to buy the apprentices will have for raptors. You know, I'm not surprised they can't contain their excitement. But you know, off the back of Setka going off to threaten the AFL, he's just managed to deliver a twenty one percent pay rise for his members.

Well, the other thing he did was he defended lollipop sign holders earning two hundred thousand dollars a year, saying they work incredibly hard and those who criticize them are people who go home watch cartoons at three thirty in

And so that was quite upsetting for some of them.

Occupational health safety, No twenty.

One percent pay rise, but may have to do alternate work.

Twenty one percent pay rise, but no cartoons at three point thirty in the afternoon.

Unacceptable.

Now the story on the front of the Ears tomorrow. Coalition to do whatever it can to avoid large scale renewables.

Oh music to my ears.

National's leader David Little Proud and so a coalition government will look at alternative energy sources so it doesn't have to pursue large scale renewables such as wind and sol after suggesting he would acts an offshore wind industry if elected. Quite right, Quite right again, I kind of wish that this would mean that, you know, there'd be a change of government, even though I know that's not likely. But

Through on this message.

We know.

The other interesting thing from that pole is on the question who do you trust? On the environment, The ALP got twenty four percent, the Coalition got twenty two percent. It used to be a fifteen point difference between the two parties. Now it's down to a two point difference. So the environment that used to be a great advantage for the ALP not so much anymore.

Yeah, and the resolve polling was even funnier.

So there was fifteen issues, and they're like grade which party is better on each of these issues?

The Libs one twelve.

Out of fifteen, and the three that the Labor got across the line, they were all just like indigenous issues, not like purse string issues, the economy, national security. The Libs were just like tic tic tic tic tick, and labours like indigenous issues and the climate.

And they did so well.

Remember what the third one was, but I was laughing.

So they did so well on indigenous issues that they managed to deliver the voice.

To Parliament, didn't they?

Oh?

Wait, no they didn't.

And then forget all about it.

Let's go to the front page of the Herald's son exclusive police search powers, boost to tackle home raids, scourge knives outreads the headline please will be given increased powers to conduct random and targeted weapons searchers to crack down on a surge in knife crime. We all know knife crimes a massive problem around the country, particularly in Victoria.

Yeah, it's currently in court.

They're trying to work out whether she's capable of morally understanding it was wrong.

So it's a big issue.

I think police should have powers to search young people, particularly in areas where it's known that knife crime.

Is an issue.

Yeah, look, I don't it's a great idea, Sure, go for it.

I don't know how.

Much of a difference it's going to mate though. I mean, in the circumstances which you just described, how would this have made a difference. If someone is carrying a concealed weapon, they can whip it out at any time and whoever they're victim.

Is is done for in that moment.

But look, if cops think they might be able to catch the odd person out concealed carry when they do raids or whatever.

It's a bit needle in a haystack. I think it is the biggest problem. You hope to catch them out, but do you really utn't know.

We're going to go to a break when we come back. Joe Biden literally freezes on stage at a Democrat fundraiser that's coming up in just a moment, welcome back. Well, there was a fundraising event to raise money for Joe Biden's reelection campaign on Saturday night. Thirty million dollars was raised, though those who donated might be wondering if it was a wise investment because after being interviewed with Barack Obama, both gentlemen stood up and the US President Joe Biden

People are going to want to know, is he alive? Can he even talk? Have listened?

You know?

The first presidential debate is set for June twenty seventh. That already feels like the bar that has set for Biden to clear is so much more substantially, so much substantially higher than the one Trump has to clear, which is literally, is he alive?

Is he standing?

Are the words coming out of his mouth setting aside of what the words actually are? And I just I wonder if there's any way for Biden to overcome what seems like a structural disadvantage on you know, in the weeks leading up to what's going to be a pretty important inflection point in this campaign.

Listen, I would have thought having a pulse is a fairly low bar.

Really, it's a structural disadvantage. Okay, Oh my gosh, those guys shilling for the Dems. It never gets tired, It does get tiresome.

Let's be serious. I am on this show too, Liz.

You know, I thought, after hosting Credline the Sea, no no, no, no no, I'm going to make he does just talk for both.

I've got to be fair to that woman. He does have a structural disadvantage.

It's in the structure of his brain. It's not there. It's mash per Sato.

That's the structural disadvantage. And you watch Biden there on stage having to be carted off and the music in the background. It's a bit like he's on an episode of This Is Your Life, except in his case. You know, normally you go along to This is Your Life and they bring out all these people from your.

Your past and you're like, oh my god, I haven't seen you for so many years.

Joe Biden has to go on an episode of This is Your Life to be reminded of what he's actually done in his life so he can go to the debate and talk with some level of sincerity.

Well, that's all we've got time for, but don't go anywhere. Coming right up is Ritapinas.