Under the CineMat Ep. 5: Rocky III (Part 1)

Would you care to comment on how you plan to fight Balbo? What's your strategy? Don't need any Babo is so predictable and stupid. The man comes straight ahead, he's still a maid for me, and he's gonna get hurt. No. I don't hate Babo, but I pitied the fool and I would destroy any man who tries to take what I got. What's your prediction for the fighters? Prediction? Yes, prediction. The Lapsed Fan presents under the Cinematic. Yeah. I love to talk film. I have come here

to chew bubble gum and kick out. They break gold. You're going nowhere under the cinemat, get get out. I pick up guns. Bad things happen to people. I don't like that. Leave a movie to make. Can we all pull together here? Right? All right? I am good? If you are good? Yeap? And three two three? I did it? Did you did he? Did you do about that thing? Is it twenty twenty one? It's twenty twenty one, and I figured, fuck it, What better way to start off this new year than by going back

to the beginning. Because this is where you know I'm gonna come out and say this. This is where wrestling kind of took a different turn regarding the movies. I know we have like there are tons of movies that happened before, but this was different. This was like a real, a real uh you know this this movie elevated hul Cogan. Oh, helped elevate Hulk Cogan into what we know today. And and you know, it's it's it's a fucking it's an amazing story. Yes, it's an amazing story. Yes,

how we get to Rocky three? And what becomes of everybody after Rocky three? Now, how are you? What's your relationship like with the Rocky movies. I'm a big fan, not a devote I mean I can't cite you know, chapter and verse or lines of dialogue necessarily, but Rocky three was a very early film memory of mine, you know, after discovering hul cog and of course I famously discovered hul Cogan and No Holds Barred? And which which bar? And it's called No Holds the Nobles Bar. It's right next

to the friendly tap your an Island. But yeah, I mean cannon, Yeah, sports on the big screen leveraged for ultimate drama. It's it's uh, it's set some standards in my mind, rock franchise. I'm not a big fan of the Rocky movies. I I kind of find kind of I find them boring for the most part. I like, I like to say Rocky, I might be saying that that Rocky I'll say this. At least

Rocky two for sure sucks. Yeah. I fucking hate Rocky two. Yeah, I remember, you know, and I'm I didn't grow up watching them. I had seen part of Rocky the first Rocky one time at a relative's house at the very very end, and I didn't come back to watching it again until the first one until I was in college. And keep in mind here, I am a wrestling fan. I never watched Rocky three for four

years. I can tell you exactly when I saw it for the first time, which was in twenty twelve, and I said, you know, I've never really watched all the Rocky movies. I've seen one. By this time, i'd seen four and I went, you know, I was like, I wonder if I can you know, get into this and two was just a slug. Yeah, just the fucking worst movie. It was so boring and like he you know, the whole plot line of him not wanting to

face the you know, Apollo Creed again. I was like, oh my god, Like, how many fucking times you have to not want to like, just fucking do it, you know, and win the damn title. I can understand not wanting to face Apollo Cruise, But that's very true. That's very true. How can someone like yourself not see Rocky three until twenty twelve, Dude, I have no idea. I have no clue how that happened. But I never I just never because you know what, I just

wasn't a fan. I was not a Rocky fan. And and I'd seen it, you know, I'd already hold Cogan already won me over ten times over, So what was the point. But then I watched it and I like this one. I will say that I like three, and I like four. I hate one, two five, and I hate Rocky Belbow and

I have not even seen the Creed movies. But it actually it was funny is that I actually found in doing research for this, I found out that stallone, So stallone does one, he does two, and by the time he's contracted to do three, he says to himself, I not write about He's like he didn't know what to do and didn't have a good ideas for Rocky from a character from a character point standpoint, so all he did was

make them more about the fights. And I was like, oh, that's probably why I like three and four because I don't I just don't give a shit about Rocky Balboa, right, Yes, its just thought so much about the character. It's about the action, right And yeah, I honestly believe that that might be. Why is that it's about the fights? And five

is just a disaster? Well, you know, to me, it's like, as a combat sports fan and the man boxing in particular, there are so many storylines that are thread through actual fights, yet that you know,

the more evocative they are of what happens to Rocky or magical. It seems to me all the way through to Reradikatur bet Tim Soviet in two thousand and seven, just as Rocky Bilboa came out in this idea of like the weather, an old fight that's training be hubs back and it's the tale of the of the younger Champion one more time, it just seems to be like the most poetic yep, stuff that's happened in real fights are sort of related to

Rocky and and Roger three. We have that ultimate example of what happens when someone achieves fame before they're ready for it, which is and praise before they're ready for it, exceeds even their own expectations of what they're able to do on the big stage, and then totally shits the bed in terms of keeping up that level of discipline and focus young and let it celebrity cut in on the kind of work that got them there in the first place, and then

hekay the price for it. I mean, I guess I like it because that's that's that's a real strength that really happens and fights for it, and uh and and and Stallone actually goes so far as to say that part of the inspiration for Rocky three was his own, uh celebrity status, that kind of he was not ready for it, and so a lot of it, you know, I mean, a lot of the Rocky news are autobiographic. He's written, he's written all of them, written, all Mesney and I'm

getting to vent a little bit more. But yeah, he would always have elements of his own life into the movies, and I think that's that's definitely a huge Marcaus He said that he just didn't. He was just totally overwhelmed and he had these people who were protecting him and they didn't let him be himself. And people started to shoot on him because of his because of his people, because of his team, you know, his management team and his and his agents and stuff like that. So a lot of them. I'll

tell you who doesn't protect him his thunderlips. No, we're not talking about a protected fight at all. He goes into business for himself here. It is alarming, is it not? How big Hogan is? Oh my god, you so loose sight of that, because the thing about Hogan's run, you know, the run, was that they found the biggest fucking guys they could find to go up against him, and you lose sight of how massive

he is compared to regular sized athletes. Yeah, and this movie really, I mean, if you hadn't heard of Hulk Hogan before you and you saw this movie, I feel like you went into the Hulk a Mania era with a much different initial sense of who Hulk Hogan was as this kind of domineering, preening, bullying kind of heal And it must have been weird to see him as a babyface on MTV all of a sudden that and but I can also I can also understand, you know, again seeing this for the first

time, before you and I started this show, I couldn't appreciate it as much. But talking, you know, having gone through WrestleMania and all those kind of early on shows, I can understand now watching this again why Hulk Hogan was so attractive to people, because he was just this literally larger than

life being, you know, just towering above. Because here you go, and honestly, I don't if you the stars were aligned here without a doubt with Hogan being in in Rocky three because and Hogan talks about this too. You look at to the world and to anybody, you know, because you're used to seeing movies on a big screen and whatever. You see Rocky Balboa, you know, the the character, and he looks huge and he's always ripped and everything, and but you think of him as huge. Stallone's five

ten. He's an inch shorter than me, all right, He's he's not a big guy. So there's like no one on WW roster or during Hogan' z era who's anywhere near as short as he is. Maybe Dynamite kid, you know, yeah, really it's just like probably a full five six inches shorter than any of Hogan's contemporary exactly whole comania, let alone Hogan himself, who's what six' eight, So you're talking about a foot taller. So I

mean, and also he just so bloated, is Hogan. And so when you see him towering over the hero of Rocky Balboa in this major motion picture, I can understand why people started to just flock to him, because he's like, I'd want to see this guy in action. If if this guy's kicking Rocky's ass, I want to see what he does in a real wrestling match. He at least makes enough of the wrestling match, right, Yeah, you better watch what you say there. Yeah you know you do not

want to see this guy in a real wrestling match. No, you don't. All, Well, apparently he did learn some things, but I'll get into that. Yeah, I think he's partial to the drop toe hole to the front face lock with memory serves. Yeah yeah, that well, occasionally

an arm bar when he's in occasional step over armbar. Yeah, but just if nothing else, even if you weren't intrigued to actually find this guy in the actual wrestling ring, he's going to make enough of a visual impact on you watching this movie that he's that guy, you know, oh totally, totally nineteen eighty three and beyond he's that guy, and perhaps we get into this also forget forget the actual movie itself. Yeah, I'm jumping way ahead

here, but I think it's a prnge to bring it out. Hogan was the marketing tool for this movie, right, Mister wasn't wasn't just discovered? Yeah, I know, he wasn't just discovered in this movie. He Stallone. Every I I scoured hundreds of newspapers. Yes, okay, yeah, I'm gonna tell you. If you look at any newspaper from around this country from the time period maybe like a month or so before the opening of this movie, there is a picture of Stallone standing not against mister T, but

against Hulk Hogan. Look at that, and how I run it? Come WrestleMania one time? Right that it's mister T that's needs should be the supporting cast to put WrestleMania over the top of pop culture in it like there's there. Yeah, anyway, let's just get into it. Let's just fucking get into it. We're talking about Hogan I mean, you'll probably talk about this, but I want to plant the seed before I forget. More than anything

else. One of the key things about Rocky three visa v. Hulk Hogan is that, according to Jesse Ventura and some others who have spoken on it, and I'm sure Hogan has spoken on this, although I'm not sure if

he frames it this way, you're coming into Rocky three. You had to make Hulk Hogan a babyface in the wrestling ring in the AWA, yep, Because you can't really market a movie around a heel on the media start totally, you know, or at least it's gonna be hard to say, Hey, come see the big movie star wrestling, but you're gonna come here to

boo the shit out of him and hate him. That that didn't that duck didn't hunt in nineteen eighty three, particularly the psychology of the Midwest, a w a wrestling fan, and so we may very well have this movie to think for the glimpse of a babyface Hogan in the AWA that caught Vince Junior's

attention and imagination and convinced him to hitch his wagon. Because it also, as I'm sure you'll talk about Vin Senior, who hul Hogan worked for before taking this movie, was no fan of him take at all taking this movie role. So he you know, Vince Senior wasn't about to discover the magic of a babyface Hull Cogan. It was Sylvester Stallone in a lot of ways that that that sort of necessitated as well as laid bare totally the potential of

Hogan in that way without a doubt. So well, depending on your source, Hogan filmed this this scene because that's all it really is, is a scene anywhere from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty one, despite nineteen seventy nine the movie not even being on the books. But that's okay. And he weighed somewhere between brother depending on who you're talking to, two hundred and ninety five and three hundred and fifty pounds. Well, that's at least a small

range. You know. When we talk about Hull Cogan and the all time King of the Whoppers in terms of lies told, it really is how we got into this movie that most of the lies are told, like this is one of the well key sources of misinformation. I feel like I'm not going to do any spoilers yet, but I'm going to tell you I'm actually from what I've read, I'm going with Hogan's story. Actually I think the same story actually, believe it or not, this one time, I think it

checks out. That is why I was so excited more than anything about doing this when you told me Rocky three was next, because I know there are so many things that if I ever took the time, I could settle in my mind. But I never took the time. You know how it appears you have. The thing is, I didn't really realize that there was a huge I know that along the way I either read or heard an interview with Stallone that basically the same story that Hogan tells for the most part, like

the the main key players. And then I didn't realize that there was some controversy until today, believe or not. And so it's just kind of funny. And so I was like, oh shit, like this is fucking huge, but I could not find where I had that. Anyway, we'll just

go to the source right from the get go. I'm going to do a combo here because he tells Hogan tells the story in both of his Actually I don't know if there are more than two books, but he tells it in Hollywood Hulk Hogan, and he also tells the story in Hulk Hogan My Life Outside the Ring, But there are some differences, so I'm going to just combine them together in this one. The greatest thing about working in New York

was being on TV. Every three weeks, we'd film down in Allentown and the matches were broadcast on the MSG network MSG standing for Madison Square Garden. He had to write that as if well, at least we're clear on that. I mean. Also, the greatest thing about working in Allentown was, if I'm not correct, a little little Little Candy. Yeah you missed Santa Claus comes early in Allentown. You mentioned MSG, But what about d r Z Right this channel hit homes all over the tri Said area and down in

Pennsylvania. Dude, I feel like I need to do it in his voice, but I think that's just going to be too exhausting for this. And you just never knew who was watching. One night, I think it was early nineteen eighty, Rocky Mastermind still Vester Stallone tuned in. He was on the lookout for a wrestler to cast in a role in Rocky three, and he saw me on a night when I happened to pull off that crazy move list it lifting three wrestlers at once and just hurling them to the canvas.

Stallone didn't know how to get a hold of me himself, so he turned to his casting director, Ronda Young. She didn't know anything about wrestling or who the heck this wrestler was that Stallone was talking about, so she called her brother, Peter Peter. She said, Sly's gotta have this wrestler. This guy he saw on MSG. He's a bad guy and he's done this and that. My god, this is who talking. This was Rhonda Young, casting director, casting director. Okay, I thought it was Edith Punker.

I was confused for sing and Peter knew right off the bed, Oh that's hul Cogan. Peter Young came my agent shortly after that has been my agent ever since. So maybe Peter Young actually is is the the glue that that sticks the story together. Not that I'm saying an agent is gonna be honest, but you know, maybe because Peter Young, the brother of Ronda Young, he can kind of get that story straight so that Hogan is not just fibbing the whole fucking time. Is very interesting. This is he's kind

of like the David Wolf and the Cindy Lapper crossover. He's the agent that like kind of thinks he knows that wrestlers can be money, but he's also a little too showbiz to like take it take it that seriously. So he's always got this like sarcasm about it. Yep, exactly. Uh So I'm coming out of the ring one night when I got a message from Arnold Scoland that Sylvesters Alone wants me to call him. I thought it was a joke. I'd seen Rocky one and two, and in the late seventies and early

eighties there was no one as big as Alone. He was this all American hero figure. There was no way he was calling me. It must be one of these guys pulling a rib, I thought, and it blew it off. Around this time, same time, Vince mick Man Senior sent me over to Japan to wrestle for seven weeks. Now. That was an amazing experience, dude, all these Japanese fans worshiping like some sort of a god. Really unbelievable to be over there, you know, I feel that kind

of idlization. Brother, even if I couldn't understand a word anybody was saying. It was a shame because you know, Terry blew it off as a rib and George Foreman ended up getting the part. See that's the thing. It was a rib, and George Foreman came fucking running for us. Yeah, because he had an expanded use case for there's George Foreman. Uh. The Japanese par owners didn't want me to leave. They were begging me to

stay longer. Everyone's always begging Hogan to stay longer, except for stillone he wants that seemed quickened out, get out of here. They did the same thing Christmas night nineteen eighty three, I believe indeed they did Uh the the Japanese promoted. They just fucking kidnapped him, fucking kept him there. You hold on, son, you have wedding in Japan. Huh, brother,

dude. Wherever I went, the arenas were packed to the rafters. I came back to Allentown after that to find a Western Union telegram waiting for me, a certified letter that I had to sign for. Please call Sylvester Stallone. It's an emergency. It was getting closer and closer when they were actually shooting the film and Peter and Ronda were starting to panic that they weren't getting going to be able to deliver the one guy sly wanted. So I called

him and he picked up the phone and it really was sliced alone. It was so weird to hear that familiar voice on the other end of the line. You know who I was. I wasn't sure how interested. I wasn't being in a movie. I'd never done that kind of acting outside of the ring at least, I mean, it is different. What the fuck that

I mean? He wrote that that's actually his writing. I don't know what that is tremendous So I told him, look, look, dude, I'm gonna I'm going back Japan for two weeks broiler, but I'll stop by to see you when i'm back. So I'm going to take a pause here, Yes you are. Because that is one version of how he got the call from Sylvester Stallone. Where would the other version come from? Well, Terry

Funk number one tells a different story. Actually, I actually was the one who connected Hall Kagan well Sylvaster Stallone for the part of Thunderlips and Rocky three. Stallone called me up instause he worked with him on Paradise Alley, right he did coming up soon on Under the Cinemat Stone called me and said he needed a huge wrestler for the part of well, a huge wrestler. I gave him a few names, and it came down to slide choosing between Hogan

and Gorilla Monsoon, whom Vince mcmahonr. Suggested. Gorilla was a tall mountain of a man, but Stallone wanted a more muscular guy, and so he went with Hogan. And actually there was a further thing in his book here says I tried nineteen eighty five, yet Kerry von Erik, the part of the Russian boxer that Dolph Lundgren eventually got, sly was in love with the guy. But Kerrie couldn't memorize any lines, only snort them. I added

to that's great, But Hogan made the most out of his stardom. When we had our match in late nineen eighty five and the fourth and NBC Saturday Night's Made Event. We worked together fine, and I never had anything but a good relationship with Hogan. When we were both in the WWE. I got the Saturday Night's made event assignment because nobody else wanted to do the job

and Vince wanted Hogan going over clean me for the TV audience. A lot of guys felt like getting beaten in front of such a big audience would hurt their personas there were no volunteers except for the Funker. They asked me to put him over on National TV and I said, no problem at all. It's tremendous. So there's a Terry Funk's version of of the story, but there's you know, that's not all mister Fumeke is not the only person to

claim responsibility for Hogan getting cast in this movie. Bill Apter, yes as well, is that it was me all along, game all right, this fucking guy didn't know it was broken. I think you're broken, Pale. Do you think you got fucking Hogan this job? He claims Stallone was looking for a wrestler after sends pictures of Hogan and Billy Grant. I'm gonna actually let him tell you the story himself. Uh. This is from Sean Mooney's

podcast. I know he's done a couple of podcasts promoting his his stupidly titled book, but you know, I think you know it was between him and Jericho's podcast, but you know Sean Mooney friend of the show, so I'll put him. I'll put him over. So here we go to listen to after talking taking credit for Hulk Hogan Thunderlips Rocky three. You got a call from Sylvester Stallone's office and had a hand in making that connection to Rocky three,

which changed Hulk Hogan's career forever. I did. I did, and a Hulk's office had picked up the copy of the magazine and they had wanted pictures of two people Superstu Billy Graham and Paul Cogan. So I really would have been thrilled by the way had Stalone call, but you yeah, uh, but I have to get the invitation in there. We're not. So they called and I sent the pictures and called back so that they want to

talk to, uh, this guy Hult Cogan. So this point we were this point, we're banned from the magazines from the magazines are banned from from the w w F. So I'm calling people around that. Uh, I'm called Arnold Scoland. I called no, actually the magazines. I'm trying to think. No, he was not he hadn't won the title yet, so no, no, we were okay at that point. But I was calling everybody around trying to find him because Stallone wanted to talk to him. Everybody

thought it was Yeah, everybody thought it was a joke. And I finally got to Arnold Stolen, who's one of Vince's main men, and they said, yeah, sure, I'll give him the message. So then I called Hulk's mother because she was let me back up a little. We were bands back then. Because I couldn't talk to Hulk directly, his mother was my

liaison. Yeah, gave him the message, and a lot of people took credit for the hookup there, but the message came from me, And when I talked to Hulk years ago, he never really knew that it came from me. He said, his mother said that I had called. But Arnold Skollin about forty other people backstage all took credit for this whole thing. But the pictures that we ran in the magazine were all sent to us by Hulk's mother. Otherwise we never would have gotten the photos to run in the magazine.

So yeah, yeah, I hooked Uh. I hooked him up, but he got somebody else call credit though. Yeah, yeah, but he got the part on his own marriage. That's true, But I helped with in the ignition. I don't think it did pell I firmly. You know, what, what do you think? I mean, what are your thoughts here? I don't doubt that if if Sly wants a wrestler, you go buy a wrestling magazine and try to look at the people, that would be

good. I don't know, I mean, but the point is it started with the magazine, not with Bill after, you know, like after was the point of contact. Perhaps if they saw we want more of this guy who publishes this thing. But even then, I I again, maybe I have it here and I just I skimmed over it when I was trying to find this. I'm I'm certain that I heard Stallone say that I was watching TV, because that's how we found both t and still and and Hogan.

He was watching TV and and and heard of That's that's what Hogan said. Yeah, that's Hogan says. I'm pretty sure Stallone said that. But uh yeah, so I'm you know, as much as I take hogan ship with a grain of salt, I'm I'm siding with Hogan on this one. Interesting. Well, you know, I mean, you know, they all could have had some kind of right effort in but to say like they actually,

I mean, I don't know. I mean, is it not possible that you know, Sly saw Hulk Hogan on television and told his people I want Hulk Hogan, And they said, how the hell do we find Hulk Hogan? Look at this magazine. Maybe they know how to get in touch with him. It's all, you know, it all could be, you know, the pieces of the puzzle could all be there. You know, after

it would be none the wiser. How the first time Sly saw Hulk I mean right, that would that wouldn't mean the phone call it sounded any different to him. Yeah, anyway, back to the so uh, back to Hogan. We met at a gym. I had blue jeans on and cowboy boots in. My nose was all taped up. It got smashed in a match in Japan, and I hadn't had a chance to fix it yet. I wasn't prepared at all for some kind of audition. Stallone insisted, I, well, see you move in the ring. So Stallone starts doing his

rocky thing and starts reaching out to try to punch me. Well, brother, what do you want me to do? Dude? Not a good idea, I asked, Well, so you can stop me? He said, stop you. I laughed out loud. He was maybe one hundred and seventy pounds and I was pushing three twenty at that point. He stayed pretty serious about it. Well, I try to punch you. See if you can

get a hold of me, he said. So. By the way, every time that I do this stallone voice, I am boxing, I'm doing the Oh really, yeah, I just noticed that I've been doing that. So in one move, I grabbed him and hooked him and pinned him to the canvas. Of course you did. Here we go, you know, over inm Japan, Dude, I actually learned some real wrestling moves, brother.

The Japanese guys taught me hooks and submissions, all this UFC top stuff that you could use to survive if anyone really tried to come to you in a fight. Brother, Terry, I believe Matsuda trained you in Florida. He is Japanese, but that didn't mean it was in Japan. I think he I think he thinks it's I think he thinks Florida is in Japan. I think he thinks it's real. Yeah, that's the problem. Uh. Sloane seemed real impressed by how easily I took him down. So got rught

up and said me as hard as you can. I don't think you want that, brother, I said, well, you'll hit me like you how you would hit somebody when you want to want to look good, but you don't want to actually hurt him. I explained that one way to do that would be for him to bend forward a bit and I would hit him with my forearm between the shoulder blades. Great, he said, do that? You hit me as hard as you can. I refuse. He's not a big guy. I could have killed him, but he kept insisting, give

me seventy five rider. Seriously, right, why not? H what was the moon? Krankeruski give him krankusk Hogan only puts pencil fin Uh totally non athletic television host to sleep exactly. That's a good command, not stallone. He needs to sell for stallone? Uh Uh? So I bend over, So I bend over and girl bang I hit him and dude, I had no idea he was going to crumble like he did. The second of my forearm hit his back Stallane's face hit my cowboy boots. Amazingly, he popped

right up again and this time with blood tripling out of his nose. You got the job, so uh Ogan went on the Well we can talk about a job, the job dude, you say job, No, you got the job. Brother, Listen, dude, I don't. I don't have the job. Dude, I will not job. Brother. You got to find somebody else for that part. Brother, you can you know, did you can roll up somebody else from behind? Brother? You're not rolling up? Wouk coovid dude? Fuck you used to loan? Yeah, uh so

uh. A short while back, Hogan went on the Open Anthony Show when they're you know, when they had a show Open Anthony. But he did recall his time auditioning for Sylvester just alone. Slide picked you up and threw you over that? Or was there some table nothing that? Yeah? I was, I was, man, his legs were wabbling. That was always still so impressive to watch that scene, bro, if you don't realize he was like a buck sixty pounds. I was, Yes, Yes, he

got up and his legs shaken. Got it though, I had everybody ask me that question over there. Yeah, yeah, it was him. He did everything. He did all of his own stunts. I mean when I powersland him from corner, Yeah, landed on him, and when I bounced off and the blood came out of his mouth, he goes, oh that was great. I was like, yeah, well, just the stuff that was on uh screen was amazing. I can only imagine how much more was done that didn't make the movie that you give me. He must have had

the spat out of him. Yeah. I mean I ran into him in a comic con a few months ago and he was just you know when we did this time of con, like and hey, brother, what's up your family? Thanks wearing the colors. And I walked in his booth. Everything was real quiet. He signed and autographs and everybody in line was scared to talk, and it was almost like a little creepy and gets nervous. Yo's stallone, you want to do this again? He looked up at me.

It was oh, no, man, I don't want to go do that because I remember hitting with knee and the shoulder and the corner almost broke his collar. And then I because I throw my punches straight into the forehead when I throw them, you know, and I know I caught him with one roo but he was called. The good thing about it is all these years later, that was filmed in seventy nine, all these years later, he's the same pizon he wants to be. He hasn't changed a bit. Was

that eighty three Rocky too? Or Rocky three two? I think we filmed it seventy nine or eighty Bro? You shot wait before he did it was way back eighty one. Yeah, under the cinemat I kind of pretty good. I used to be pretty good judge to pull them out. Yeah, yeah, little perception. Yeah, I used to be pretty good. Nah. I would get beat off every one time I might. Did he say he would beat off every once in a while something like that? Yeah,

I beat off for once in a while. Dude, Why didn't you mention Bill After's role in all this? Is he not paying the proper respect to after Alley? I you know, I think there's some bad blood there, even though After gave him that Wrestler of the Year in ninety four. You know what the fuck man? No wonder uh Bill couldn't remember if we were banned at the time. We don't know if this movie was filmed in seventy nine or two thousand and eight. Well, so let alone where it was

filmed. Where Hogan wasn't that matter? Was he even Florida? Was he up his ass? You know who the Florida was Hogan? Was he training in Japan under Mat Suda and the don't Jo or over Matt Suda? Whichever way he was, who was so tremendous stuff, you know, you know I love about about wrestlers and wrestling. It's always real unless they needed to be fake. Yes, right, you know everything serves right, Yeah, you know, everything is all intense and you know, everything really not that

I'm saying it doesn't hurt. I'm not saying that, but like all this shit is so fucking real until they need to remind everybody that it's fake for

whatever reason. And that's the funny thing, like like that's still you know, I know Stallone does say he get he gets beat up, you know, but for him to be like, oh, I don't know, Hogan, I don't want you know, like I don't know if I buy that maybe he did it as a as a as a trick or whatever, but well I think we've already happened upon one of the key ones, which is in his book. For no reason, this is so Hogan, for no reason. He gave us a range of the potential weights that he was on

the set. In that interview, he went right to the top of the ringe, right, someone else a three fifty. I think maybe maybe in he was not three hundred and fifty pounds. I know he never was the top of three. I'm pretty sure that might be on his Carson interview. I don't know if I took the bite from the Carson interview that said where he says that, but I think on the Carson Show he says he was

three fifty. Yeah, believable. But that's wrestling. You know. It's like you tell the story so many times and you don't care about the truth,

so you just remember the parts. You just remember the versions of the story that got pops or got raised eyebrows, and you hold onto those pieces, and pretty soon what you have is a collection of these little embellishments along the way that serve to tell a story that always gets a surprised reaction, and it that's all the matter, so long as the version you end up with is the one that gets the biggest pop from the mark you're telling it

to. That's what happened, ex and who the hell you know? After doing that for years and years and decades. I don't even blame the guy for not remembering what actually happened. But you see a guy himself tell different versions of the same story. Like you said, his two books have differing accounts to some degree, right, not so yeah, Like there there are some parts that really I think there were a couple of moments where that were

contradictory. But you know, for the most part, it's just stuff that wasn't in the first book, or it wasn't in the second book. You know. It's like like I think he in the in the in this in the first book he talks actually about some behind the scenes stuff. I think, like this whole audition process was not in the second book. You know. But I'm with Terry too. I mean, Terry Funk is somebody who actually you know, is self serving, as I'm sure he could be at

times and recollecting things. You know, his book show. I know, I know, no shit, he's a worker. He's working you, Yeah, like you're not. I don't believe job Yeah, that's the problem. So he actually is somewhat of a stickler for history. Terry Funk like like cares from what I've gleaned and from I understand. I've never met the man, but he cares about chronicling the history of the business. He cares about actually hasn't. Here's the question, did he take as copious notes as Brett

Hart? No, if no one ever did, ever will no one ever will another thing? That he's the best, there is, best, there was Bester ever will be right. I don't think you know, Terry Funk's book wasn't six thousand pages, and it should have been, you know, considering the respective careers. Not to put down Brett's career, which was a brilliant one. Terry Funk's book should be three times as long as Brett's, considering where he's been, the generations he's competed, in the guys he's worked.

But really, what it comes down for me, Boss, is that Terry Funk was on set with Sylvester Stallone in The Paradise Alley. I mean in other movies too, for that matter, in other movies that's done.

He has done stunt work for other movies. He so we really think if Terry, if Sylvester Stallone wants to find a way to get in touch with the wrestler, that he's not going to reach out to the fucking wrestler he's worked with for years, I mean, honestly to get another another fucking Rocky movie technically because he does stunt work for he he was like the stunt coordinate or something like that for Rocky five, the worst movie at them all.

Well funnel words, I think, yeah, but yeah, so like there's you know, the Funker is the Funker is here to stay. I think so I led that the most credence just because of that back that history. I just can't believe that if Lester Stallone wanted to find a wrestler that he wouldn't talk to I don't know the wrestler he's worked with before about it, right, and chosen to work with again on multiple movies. That's correct,

That's that's kind of the key there. So I wouldn't doubt that there's some kind of you know that there is some and you know what, I wouldn't doubt that that that funk would say, hey, you know, give you know, here's Hogan and here's Arnold Skoln's number, you know, have have somebody give him a call or whatever. You know. Again, maybe this is why Hulk purposely tries to misremember what year the movie was filmed, because

if it was filmed in seventy nine, sly hadn't met Funk yet. Oh see, I always, you know, as much as I kind of look at Hulk through the lens of what I just said, kind of keeping the parts of the story that pop and the embellishments that pop, I also have noticed a trend with him where sometimes he gets oddly specific and oddly insistent on

details. For someone who you know fogs over details, there are other details he insists on including, like in his book, there's these sort of many tangents, and you don't understand why he would include that detail, and then sure enough when you find out about it, it's an indirect, passive, aggressive way of trying to refute something that somebody else has said about what happened.

But he doesn't want to address that person head on or by name, but he introduces this fact that will serve to you know, make the disarm or throw into disarray somebody else's chronology. So maybe that's it interesting would past him. All right, So back to Hogan here. I remember walking out of the ring thinking this guy's fucking nuts. Then all of a sudden, he put a camera in my face. You got the job, he repeated

again, all excited and pumped up. I told me how bad you're going to kick Rocky Bobo's as I caught on what he was doing real quick. Brother. He wanted to see like a talk maybe cut a promo or something, So I turned on that voice I've been developing since my first TV appearance back down in Memphis. Okay, Bellboa, you're going down, brother. I don't remember exactly what I said. I should have to see that tape.

It's probably an vault somewhere now. I don't know if this is actually it or not, but this was feat This This what I'm gonna play for you right now was featured on a behind the scenes featurette that was done to promote the film Oh Coking is here, Daddy, And because I'm here, I'm gonna make Rocky three to the movie of the Year. Jill. That's

a saloon. Filled my suitcase with the big thousand dollars bills, he said, showing the body show him what you've got to offer for the right price, for the right money and at the right time, I'd even strangle my mother. Mother. That's great stuff right there. Yeah, I love that. I love the raw footage, the actual tape. I don't know if that is the actual tape or not, but again, this was done.

I feel maybe if it wasn't done for this actual tape of something, it's tape of something, and it might be Hogan on like some TV or whatever. But it's great, it's awesome stuff. He still has kind of a higher pitch about his voice. You can hear a lot more of the baby bitch voice he's got going on. Yeah, you can hear a lot more of the attempt to imitate Billy Graham there. Ah, yeah, yeah, sure, than his own voice. I think that makes sense. Anyway.

After a few seconds, he turned the camera off and said me one more time. You got it. We shook hands. I didn't have an agent at that point and had no idea what you should what you should get paid to appear in a film, But he said, oh, give you ten thousand dollars to do a movie. Me, being the smart negotiator I am, thought it sounded a little low digging creative browler. How about fifteen thousand dollars? Dude, Oh fourteen, he counted done. I signed a piece

of paper right there on the spot. I couldn't believe that I was going to be in a rocky movie. Not in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine acting in films, let alone acting with someone as biggest sliced alone. I knew it would be a huge boost for my career. Heck, I boost my whole life. I'm prepared to call bullshit on the whole negotiation thing. Yeah, I don't think he came back with a number. I don't

think that happened. I think he just thinks it makes him look bad to take the price that was offered, And so he introduced a detail like who gives a fuck? Right, like who gives the fuck? How much you got paid? Why would you put that in the book unless somewhere along the line you heard someone say that you took the first offer. So Lester stallone gave you right, annoyed you that people thought Slash knew that that's like a chump you could take the first offer. And look, maybe I'm going way

off the reservation and reading something that isn't there. But Hulk Hogan deserves that level of doubt. Well, I mean, what about what about him being, you know, without an agent, being a wrestler and that whole mentality of having to kind of take care of yourself. Would he negotiate? I don't think so, Okay, I mean, it's not it's not the fact of the thing that makes me skeptical. It's his pattern of introducing details that are self serving and sort of, you know, somewhat fabricated, if not

wholly fabricated. It just seems to me like if I'm reverse engineering Hulk Cogan's mindset. Along the way, someone said to him, you know what, man, Rocky three made fucking millions of dollars. You only got ten grand for that, and so like, you know, he makes this little thing up. Well he probably didn't probably get more than that, I mean in the long run. Well, yeah, with residuals and stuff. Sure probably still does get money, I would hope. So he's probably his health insurance

because of the movie. Now you're damn right, you're right. Well that ends now the other ones, the other crap movies he's on. But get that fucking union card, right, from the get go better than Lloyd's of London. You're damn right, Hell, did you? Yeah, that's just let me know when you need me. It was Lord Alfred Hayes of London. That's Lord Alfred Hays of London. I've got promotional consideration sticking out of my pants and I'll take that, thank you very much. Hell. He's

a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnassio and JP Sorrow. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast. Uh. When I got back to New York, I told Vince McMahon Senior that I would be shooting in this movie in a couple of months. Did you say shooting Terry only has a good idea? No, you're not, he said, yes. Fuck. For some reason, I didn't take him seriously. Okay, for some reason he didn't take you seriously. How about that, Terry. For for some reason, people

don't take this business. Yeah that was That was a strange non sequit or there in the middle of the book. But whatever. But I never even gave it a second thought. I knew this would be great not only for my career, but for the whole sport of wrestling. To put one of us up there on the big streen, a rocky movie which was sure to be a huge hit seen by millions of people. It was a real no

brainer. Absolutely no one had ever done it before, if you don't count you know, everyone who had Yeah, but you know, no, I'm not saying on this level, I agree it is weird because there certainly have been. I mean, you can even you know, the the actor, the guy who plays odd Job and Goldfinger. You know, that's a major fucking movie, you know, coming to under the cinemat soon. But like

you know, like where it's so different. And also, Hogan, you know there is a there is a no Also here's the thing too, you did have professional wrestlers in movies and outside of but outside of you know, Paradise Sally and and the wrestler at this time, you didn't have many if I'm not mistaken, that were actually that actually featured a big time wrestling match. And also this is the only one that had been running scenes and ring

scenes. Yeah, I think of my Breakfast with Blassy with a with Ada Kaufman, which wasn't I don't think like a smash hit or anything like that. But right, and that's the big thing that it's gonna what makes money. And and no matter how good or bad a film is paradise and my paradise sally huge flop. The wrestler. We all know huge flop. So we're talking this is this is absolutely there again, Stars aligning, put yourself

in stars aligning shoes. If he doesn't know necessarily how big Rocky one and two were, which I think is possible, you know, to him, it's just another resting idiot honestly at this point, to like I mean, and I don't put a past the McMahon to be a fucking idiot on it, but to not know that Rocky wanted like to have a guy in Rocky Ye Rocky movie, Yep, I mean it's it's it's bound to be a hit. Yeah, it's one of those fucking franchises at the time that hadn't

worn out its welcome yet. You'd have to be just deafened by the the sound of quarters jingling in your hand to not be able to hear. That's the problem. I think he had too many quarters jingling. Where was I? Uh? Oh, I said I was. I was looking. It was real, no brainer. Like I said before, I was looking, always looking ahead, thinking about making more money, thinking about how I could make this whole Cogan thing bigger and bigger. I thought Vincina thought that way

too, But maybe I was wrong. Maybe he was just like the other promoters. Dude. He had controlled the number one territory, his own little kingdom. Maybe he thought that was enough for him. Maybe just didn't have the vision for how big this could get, dude. A couple of months later, I was wrestling in Fall River, Massachusetts. As I left the arena at the end of the night, I said goodbye to whoever it was that McMahon running the show that night. I'll see you guys and going to

do this rocky movie tomorrow. Brother, should take it like ten days, maybe two weeks. Scute brother, No, not shoot on you, dude, No, brother working filming totally. Please don't get the wrong idea. And Tony Santos and I'll call you when I'm done, brother, They were shocked. No, no, we just we just called Vince. He said, you're supposed to leave tonight and drive to Charlotte to be on TV by noon tomorrow. Made no sense. He knew this film was coming up,

so I called mcmahnon at his home in Boca Raton. There was no way I could make it to Charlotte by noon the next day. Anyway, it was snowing in Massachusetts that night. What just sail from the beginning. So the whole thing was nuts. Terry McMahon says, you're a wrestler, not an actor. If you go through this Rocky movie, you fired. I'll never work here again, okay, Vince. I hung up the phone, say goodbye to everyone at the arena, and blew up the next day to

do Rocky three. I'd come too far to let anyone, even Vince McMahon Sr. Hold me down right the ins and outs of the business. Now. I also knew that Hulk Hogan was already bigger than anything McMahon could envision, especially in Japan. So I flew out to Los Angeles and shot my scenes with Stallone, playing this over the top character named Thunderlips. So this is eighty one, you said, right, eighty one shot from May to August of eighty one, and it's pretty much accepted that his WWF run ended

in eighty Okay, So so let's think about this. So he probably did Japan and then came back. He did do a Japan tour, so he so he would have been under a WA employee when he got on the set, but he would have been with Vince Senior when he got the call to do the right and the call. Yeah, and he probably yeah, he probably came in in seventy nine. He came to WWF in seventy nine.

In fact, at Terry Funk's introduction, by the way, which is something Funk says that he introduced Hulk to Vince Senior and then he does the run with you know Blassie as his manager. Is the heel incredible Hulk Hogan, and he wrestled Backland and he did the first feud with Andre where they had

the Shay Stadium match. That was August of nineteen eighty. So all right, I guess it does line up then, Yeah, It's just it was it was weird to me that he has to fight with Vince Senior over the movie when it's accepted that he actually worked for Vern when this all happened. So I guess that still works, though, I mean it might have been it might not have been as this fucking as as this crazy ass turnaround that he's talking about, but it could very well, be like, no,

I'm making this movie. Yeah. He's like, if you're gonna make this movie, then because because guaranteed he would have to tell them give them an answer, right, you know. True, they wouldn't be sitting around like they need to book somebody to make sure that they're gonna have somebody in this movie, right, And so I wouldn't put it past them to be like pressuring Hogan, you gotta you know, you gotta commit a you're gonna do

it? Are you gonna not do it? And and still say I'm gonna do this movie and then it's like, well, then you can't fucking if you go out there and do, you're gonna be fired. And then it all kind of happening at the same time. Even though it's earlier than Hogan describing I'm seeing here, at least in terms of seventy nine, he worked Madison Square Garden December seventeenth, seventy nine against DBAs that might be the match

we we looked at. Now that's on the pat Patterson, that's the one on the Hogan DVD said I believe the first and Patterson and Denucci restle elsewhere on the Oh yeah, as we talked about in the in the Pat Patterson Tribute show. Remember how incredible it was to also realize that Hogan versus DBAs such as they were, and seventy nine was on the show. So flip to January. He's still working WWF tapings wow of eighty. So he's here

through January. This is all according to the Fantastic Wrestling Data dot Com. Thank god for sites like these. All Right, February he's still there, Fall River, he works. I just saw it. February sixteenth, nineteen eighty. It's winter. It's winter. Yep, right, that adds up. Good point. Yes, we're getting somewhere. Let's flip the calendar out of March of nineteen eighty. He's WWF through and through for the entirety of March. Bearly mind. Now, you've got a lot to get through,

get to boss. But I want to work some time here. This is the kind of thing I've never taken the time to do. I want to know, I want to know. The timeline is important. April still with Vince, still with WWF. Let's see, okay, and then he goes to Japan. It looks like in May of nineteen eighty he wrestles Backland at the spectrum of this Pilly. This could also be you know, that could be Hogan. This could be around the time where he got the call to

do Thunderlips because he just talked about it goes to Japan. Yes, he told yeah, I know, he told him like, it's a fake fucking it's a rib. Someone's pulling a rib on me and he throws it away. Well, interestingly, he he did the fall River thing. He did another fall River show on May third, nineteen eighty, wrestling Pat Patterson of all people. Wow, so that might be the faithful Night. Let me ask you this, do we know when that fucking TV show happened where he

threw three guys around the ring? The TV show happened where he threw three guys. That's what That's what he says. That's what That's what people talk about. Oh oh, that's where Stone saw him on text alone saw. That's a good question. Well, he's he's wrestling, uh, Pete Doherty and Silvano Susa who recently just passed away actually in Worcester on May one, nineteen eighty. I don't take though, I don't think that necessarily would have

been something Stallone would have seen on TV. But it indicates that they were doing that in the circuit. Let me take another look. Wow, could it be to Boston Classic jobbers that were getting tossed around? Let's see. Now he did the same to Steve King and Mike Masters and Poughkeepsie on April twenty eighth, nineteen eighty. So he's got some he's got other handicap match

opponents. But no, you got to think it's the Garden right if yeah, because he so MSG Network, right, didn't he say that that Stallone was watching the MSG network stands for Madison Square. Now that's what he enjoyed doing the tapings and stuff. And I see, I see, well it's probably it's probably one of those two matches, because I'm not seeing handicap matches. I'm back now in March of eighty. What about later? When was he gone? He was gone in May, So I'm working backwards from there

looking for any instance of him wrestling more than one of them. No, but what about after though, because he talks about going to Japan then coming back from Japan to Vince to Vince. All right, let's take a look and then may you know, Yeah, yeah, good good stuff, so

so may he takes off in March. He works that May. Rather, he works at what they would call in Japan the Madison Square Garden series, which is basically like big time New York wrestlers come to Japan and perform and work in a Tokyo garden and then yes with the cherry blossoms and everything, and then he comes back to the United States in June. And he's back

in Allentown on June seventeenth, nineteen eighty working yep. And then here's a taping in Hamburg where he takes on Angelo Gomez and fred Marzino in a two on one that could have been it. So he's still there working through June. Let's flip the calendar to July. I want to see the exact breakpoint to go to vern. Yes, I think that that kind of tells us that he's told Vince to go fuck off at this exactly. So he's still with him through August. No, pardon me. July of nineteen eighty,

still working WWF shows. He does a FILLI, he does a a Montreal jaunt, but I'm sure that was just a one off deal. August still there, he does a couple of mid South shots. Interestingly enough, WWF WWF all the way through, there's a Cape cod date. Now we're in August. Let's go to September. The leaves are changing, the industry is changing. Working Andre all over the circuit, including Boston. There's the Maggins Pat Patterson as well. Okay, so that's Manchester, New Hampshire, Andre

versus Hollow. Then he does another tour of Japan in October. See, I'm gonna bet that this is the one he did, because if he did the taping in all in Town, okay, with him beating the two guys, yep, So Loan sees that he contacts him. Hogan goes Japan thinking that it's a rib okay, all right, all right the second the second Japan, I'm going to bank is is is the one. So around October we're gonna say yes. Still los in Japan through December. He comes back

to WWF December thirteenth, nineteen eighty, working Rick mcgron Boston Garden. He closes out nineteen eighty with Vince According to the match listing, we turned the calendar now to nineteen eighty one. I'll get goosebumps. I literally do. This is massive. Well, I mean, now you're invested. You know, you've spent so much time. So all right. He works for them through January nineteen eighty one, No problem, eighty one. That was the year he went to wa So we're getting close. Okay. He's still with

WWF through February, working many opponents, Tony Gree among them. Let's see fall. Oh wait, let me look closely. I switched to March, where he does another Japan tour, but it's a much more short one in March, and then he comes back to WWF. Boston, New Haven, Landover York Fall River was on almost every tour. So you can put that right, You can pencil that in to well, you know what, you want to know something I want if it's in April, Well, here we

are in April. Only two matches listed in April against Tony Atlas on one day in April nineteen eighty one, So he does what day April eighteenth, nineteen eighty one. You want to know something? What? Don't don't electrify me like this if you're not. I know a little piece of trivia about that, because April eighteenth, that's two days after I was born. Yes, and I was born. My mom always reminded me of this. I was born on Holy Thursday of that year because it was it was, you

know, Easter cane r after my birthday. Yeah, and it snowed on my birthday. Wow, it's snowed April sixteenth? Could it event? Could that be the piece of intel we're missing? Because you know what he does right after that? He goes to Japan, I guess he does. And he works a tour from at least May. This is all so only two matches in April, which seems like something is a miss. Something a miss in terms of yep. And then he comes back and he goes to Florida

and he wrestles Championshipressling from Florida against Mighty Igor. He comes back in June. Yeah, they would, They would be filming at this point. So would you know where they filmed the movie La? Yeah? According to this, he he does do a couple of weird LA stops along the way here. Well, according to this, according to the next part about to read from the Hollywood Hogan book, they filmed at the Olympic in downtown La. Yeah, because he's working the Olympic. One off here, all right.

So he wrestles Jerry Lawler in CWF Championship Wrestling from Florida and Saint Petersburg July eighteenth, nineteen eighty one. He only has three matches that summer, so he must be busy filming a certain movie. And then what do you know, his first shot with the AWA August first, eighty one. They go watch and it's AWA from there, so that's got to be it. That's un fucking believable. We triangulated, folks. It's what we do here, even if it's live DJing, So get it done. So he's not too

far off though. That's kind of interesting. Well except when he says he filmed it in nineteen seventy nine. Well, yes, that that part has complained insists that he filmed it. Brother, No you didn't. Eighty one May to August is one not hard to look up. But yeah, as I said before, we now segue to Hollywood Hulk Cogan. Yes, my first day at the Olympic Audcitorium in downtown LA I had to show up at

five or six in the morning for makeup. When I came out of the trailers to loone introduce me to his stunt coordinator, a guy named Tom Renesto. What As it turned out, Tom Rensto had been working in the Florida Wrestling office when I first started out. He was one of the bookers there. Yeah, one of the guys who would put together the storylines for the wrestlers. Tom Renesto was the stunt coordinator on Rocky three. Well, hold on, hold on. I didn't know him very well back in Florida,

but we just said hello, goodbye. That was it. I was just some kid who was trying to get into the wrestling business, so there was no reason to have any more dialogue than that. And there we were on the set of Rocky three, Small World Brother Anyway, stallone and I got into the ring. We weren't slated to film anything. The first morning. We were just rehearsing and going through stuff. And the one thing he kept telling me was he wanted everything to be as real as possible. Oh,

you know, I wanted through the stunts myself. I want to think that hits myself. No. I was worried because in the movies you have to do things over and over, you know, to get it just right. I didn't know if Stallone could take that much punishment, but he kept saying he would want it all to do all the things himself. He wanted to show that what would really happen if a three hundred pound wrestler really got into the ring with a boxer. I can tell you what would happen hed get

his ass kicked the wrestler fucking boxer would win. Well, I wouldn't. I wouldn't nessarily count on that. No. I mean in that, you know, if he could take a boxer off his feet, there's nothing going, It's true, hold him there till it's over, and so long as you can get through a couple of shots on entry, you're gonna win. All right. That's why I'll lead. Didn't let a nochi do takedowns and keep it there because that's true. All morning. Uh, Tom Arnesto worked

with us in the choreography had laid out. I went through all the motions, but I guess I didn't look too happy about it, because at lunchtime, Stalone asked me to eat with him in his trailer. So he said, so, you know, what do you think, Tom Arnesto, I said, I know him from my days in the Florida. Dude, you know I first started. Now he knows a little bit about wrestling. Then Stallone said, well, what do you think about the match being Rocky,

bub ball and thunderlips. I said it'll be good and was putting together some good stuff and Stallone asked, now, how really you think it is? Well? I said, the scott Ronesto is probably a great stunt coordinator. I don't know, but I believe he's appeasing you. Brother, He's not showing the audience what really totally happened if I was to get ahold of you, because if I did, the thought would be over in about three seconds.

He said, whoa, We can't entit it in three seconds. We have to get some time on screen, you know, eight or nine minutes least, when need ten to fifteen big moves. Well, you know what do you mean by big moves? I asked, do you mean like a body slam over the top you'll five punches? He said, no, No, in film one punch a big move. Body slam is a big move. Souplex is a big move. I said, you gotta be kidding, dude, You're only fifteen or twenty of those, brother, What this guy's

doing is all screwed up. It looks like two one hundred and fifty pound guys doing the jazz as together. Brother, it's not even close to what would really happen. So Stallone asked if I could set the match up, and I said, yeah, of course I can. Brother. So after lunch was over, I did not see where nested on set, and I wrote down everything that needed to be done thirty or forty, thirty or forty big moves. Can we take a pause quickly here? Yes we can.

In the context of the film, they ever acknowledged that wrestling is a work, I don't remember they they kind of do they. I can remember. If the scene with Hogan is supposed to be wrestling's phony and Rocky knows that Hope shoots on him anyway because they that's come to an agreement to have a real fight, that's kind of well, they don't come to an agreement.

Hogan just comes in wanting to kick his ass, right, and it's supposed to be this little charity worked fight, yes, and you know when we have a good show, you know, and just kind of stands over. Okay. So it makes sense then that Hogan would say, like, you know, Tom Ornesto, I guess, and I'm sure you'll continue here. Yeah, is is scripting a back and forth worked wrestling match, but the scene is supposed to be a wrestler going into business for himself, and he

wouldn't do scripted wrestling moves in right context. Okay, although he does do scripted wrestling moves like and the Ultimate he drops a love for sake, the circular logic of wrestling, we still end up with phony spots. Exactly uh thirty four minutes. First Rocky would he hit me three times, then I would grab him and hammer him. After that I would backon him into a corner boom, big punch, big souplex, big power slam, and Sloan

did everything himself. But fortunately for him, we got a lot of stuff in one take because I was able to tell him exactly where he was going to start out and exactly where he was going to land. Then we got to the power slam, and that wasn't going to be easy. No matter what, when you powerslam somebody, you end up landing on top of him, in my case, with three hundred and thirty pounds of bone and muscles. So he's already up this weight three twenty three thirty and there's really no

way to break that fall. I told Sloan that's going to be a stuff one brother. You know, it's goo'll be rough, so we should try our best to get it on the first take. Dude, I remember, we saved that move for last. When the time came, I picked him up and ran him cornered a corner, then dove in the middle of the ring. When Sloane hit the canvas in my chest landed on top of his chest. Blood squirted out of his mouth, but he didn't bitch about it.

He just got up, looked at the cara man and said, Gaberade, you got it, Karen b you got it. They both said yeah, I got it. So Stallone said print, good enough, move on. Then he went back to his trailer and spit up blood for a while. Do you think Stallone ever got sick of Hulkgan saying that he get like totally fucked up Sylvester Stallone when it was all pretend. Well, uh,

you know he Stallone. Sloan's a weird fucking guy, you know. Yeah, he's a worker, he's he's a fascinating individual because he you know, with the boxing stuff, he likes it to be real. He doesn't want people to pull their punches. He wants from what I've gathered. And I don't know this, you know, I don't know about the other movies, but I know I've read somewhere in at least one of the movies, yet not all the movies. Those his eyes are really swollen in those fights.

Wow, you know there, it's fucking real because he will take the shots and he wants it to look as real as possible. He blades. I don't like, huh, he blades, and I'm sure he blades in a bunch of them, but I'm like, fuck, like he's he's he's intense and he does. He did tweet. Now, I'll talk about a moment. He did tweet something on the at the the anniversary of Rocky Like there

was he was tweeting or instagramming or something not too long ago. Where he was he was he really he celebrated Hogan and his stiffness, all right, but he did everything himself. To this day, I've never seen better on anybody so important to a film who was willing to take those kinds of risks he wanted it to be real, and we got it pretty damn close. So I did Rocky three and made my fourteen thousand dollars, which was no

money at all. Really, only then did I have time to reflect on what Vincent Mann had said to me and how I had lost my job. When I came back to La, I ran around with So he goes away for a while. There's another I think there's another tour Japan. And when I came back to La, I ran around with Stallone for a while. He and his wife had just gotten divorced. We was single again, and everybody knew it. And because he had just finished Rocky three and was about

to do Rambo, he was hotter than a firecracker. Women would just come out of nowhere and throw themselves at him. I would meet him for lunch somewhere, and all of a sudden we would be surrounded by twenty gorgeous blondes with fake tits and fake noses. If Stallone decided he'd liked one of them, he'd leave with her. Then his best buddy here would have his choice of number two. It was a beautiful thing. What did you do about

it? Terry's what did you do about that situation. Looking back, I don't know how the hell I ever did it, but I but it was sure, it sure was a lot of fun. Somewhere during that time, I got an idea. I asked alone if I could do some have some publicity stills from the movie I was sending next to Stallone, holding him over

my head, all kinds of straight crazy stuff. He wasn't supposed to release the pictures yet, but he gave them to me, and I sent them to a promoter in Minnesota named Verne Gagne the pictures from where from the movie Wow, Primo stills Wow. A two time NCAA champion who ran the American Resting Association. Verne Gagney called me as soon as he got the publicity shots. He was a shrewd guy. He knew he was looking at a damn gold mine. Well, you know how fourteen thousand, huh? How fourteen

thousand? That's it? All right? For a whole year, and I got ninety percent of that. I find out hard to believe that that Vince worked, that that Hogan headlined or co headlined shay Stadium, Andre the Giant, and Vern hadn't heard of himuntil he got something rights in the mail. How soon can you start? Yeah, I told him I could start right away. So I went to Minnesota to wrestle for the AWA, but I didn't really leave La behind. I kept coming back for one reason or another,

back to the other Hogan book. Well, I want you to come wrestle here, Gagney told me. I got this guy named Jesse Ventura and who I want to put you in the ring with. You got a real small territory here, which means you'll only have to wrestle four days a week. But I want to pay a lot of money and then take ninety percent back. Like I said, at this point, I just wanted to go wherever I was one of the most and from the numbers he was throwing at

me, Verne Gagny wanted me bad. So I said, okay, just like that in early nineteen eighty two, I left Japan a girl and crazy fame, and I went, Yeah, that's got to be a self serving. There's got to be something. There's got to be some glitch in the matrix for him. If he acknowledges the actual years, he's too specific, like why mention what year it was? Especially if it's the wrong year, and it's very easy to look that up. Yeah. Interesting, Yeah,

there was just one problem. I was supposed to be the bad guy that always worked before. But after Rocky three hit theater is that spring? How every time I would step in the in the arena, the place would explode. The crowds cheered for me instead of booing. It started to become real clear that my playing in the heel wouldn't cut it anymore. That basically ruined all of Verne Gagney's play. It's making me the challenger to Jesse Ventura tour

was a face. That's that's different though, when Ventura says Ventura says that because Verne knew that Hogan was going to be in Rocky three, that he had to cast him as a face, even though he'd been nothing but a heel in wrestling up to that point. Now, Hogan was kind of like a celebrated baby face in Japan, and vern certainly had a beat on what

was going on in Japan. You know, Eachiban's Hogan. So Nope, never never knew him until the publicity stills because that was eighty three, right when if he came in and worked for Yeah, if he came in and worked for vernon August of eighty three. He had already done the first he was gone three. No, that's when he started for VERN. No,

I'm sorry I been August eighty one. I'm sorry that you won, I said, eighty three, August eighty one, Okay, very much gone in three right, right, But he'd already kind of been cast as a as a hero. You know, he worked to Abbey in New Japan, right, No, I mean that's what he was saying, like they fucking love him in Japan already. Yeah, right, so ah, but uh uh so the crowds cheering, uh base in a way that in the way do

that was the start of whole comedia right then. It was the audience that made that happen, the crowds that decided Hulkoen was someone they wanted to cheer for rather than Boo. So I embraced it. I wouldn't fold with one punch. It would take three or four punches to make me fold. I would really play it up, combining bad guy and good guy elements all in one. Look at him, He's such a fucking cleaner, this guy.

I'd get hit in the head with a chair, which not surprisingly hurts like hell or swiped by a pair of brass knuckles, and it just made me mad. I'm not shake it off. There was a whole different or to everything I did, and the audience just started eating from the palm of my hand. It was in those arenas that I started playing Survivors Eye of the Tiger as my theme music whenever I walked in. Wrestlers never used theme music

before that. You can't imagine how loud the crowds roared when they heard that song from Rocky three. It was the again stars aligning stars, so fucking aligning, because I mean, I have a Tiger is an awesome anthem. You know it's it's it's easily actually, it's probably the most recognizable rocky song there is, even more so than the traditional rocky theme because this was like a mainstream hit. Yeah, and you know to have so so you're gonna

get a pop anyway because of that fucking music. Let alone Hogan being this monster who's just in a fucking rocky movie. It's you know, I'm getting it. I'm really getting you know. For a long time, I've never really understood why Hulk Hogan, But I'm getting it. He is he is an attraction like he is you know, we joke about it, but he really is the circus, you know, he is this guy you want to

fucking see. He's the what are you saying? Please click that. This is an interview from August nineteen eighty one with gene Oakerland on a WA television listed on YouTube. Is one of hul Kogan's first AWA interviews. I remember, oh, stop it. I don't want to do it yet, No, stop, take your time seeing. At some point I think we probably even mentioned it in the Super Sunday eighty three show. We did that.

There's like this unveiling of Hull Cogan on a w A television that shows like and I can't find it right now, so maybe it's been pulled from YouTube. It shows like, you know, the definition, you know, it's like this really like over kind of like an overly dramatic introduction video with him

almost in silhouette. And they're talked about this too. How you do these promos as I'm looking here facing backwards, you know, like not facing the right, and I remember seeing those is kind of helish is almost like yeah, right, so the whole maybe the whole thing that you know Hogan had to be a face from day one? Is is Jesse misremembering the chronology a little bit right? But here's a sample of what Hogan would have sounded like in this a w a run right after filming Rocky three. How big I

aim to find out? How you let me tell you something? I'm gonna let you know. It's just exactly what I want you to know. I'm sick but a three hundred and twenty five pounds bigger farm in the world. That's twenty four. It's the blue twisted steel and sex appeal daddy. As far that such a bad my main squeeze. He's running around the world right now signing major contract, getting top dollar because he am the best athlete in the world and I am the highest paid professional wrestler in the world. What

do you think of that? I am impressed. That's about that. I am fully aware of the fact that hero I'm made event on that record crowd at Chase Stadium in New York City here is look at that. Wow, Okay, what if you turned a pasty give a little gun swath Field August. Let's try Chase Stadium, the biggest house in the history of professional wrestling. Look at that, Look at that. It's very much a heel holdan No, very much a hell um. Last thing was I was the main

attraction of every arena. Hulk Cogan was the star, no question. Everyone in the wrestling business knew it too. I could feel the world opening to me. So yeah, so Hogan Hogan taken the world by storm and you know, making his first, you know, his debut movie role. Now, shortly after the movie was released, the Salt Lake Tribune wrote a piece on Hogan. They want something like this. He's not a man, He's an event. The incredible Hulk Cogan, a star of screen, television and

pro wrestling, is just plain huge. He is. I don't know why I wrote five eight pretty five eight, three hundred and twenty five pounds. That's a different problem. That'd be a problem. He is six eight, three hundred and twenty five pounds. But I've lost some weight recently, he says. The weight lies not in the stomach, a huge stomach, much like many of his adversaries, but in muscle. When he flexes his pectoria muscles, you can see it in the thirty third row. Hulk Hogan.

Yes, he has had his name officially changed to Hulk, has been flexing his muscles in the recently released Rocky three. In the movie, he plays a professional wrestler who for charity, has signed to fight the world boxing champion Rocky Balboa or Sylvester Saloon. Well, what Rocky had thought would be a little fun turned into a nightmare, as Thunderlips, as mister Hogan is called

in the movie, goes wild. If I actually wondered the ring and threw a man around like I did Stallone and try to hurt him, I could kill him, mister Hogan says the Sloane. Well, he has a lot of money, brother, and that will keep you. That'll keep you safe. Every time. There have been offers from various movie makers to letter Hulk Hogan back into the in front of the cameras you know, but they aren't willing to pay me more than what I'm making wrestling, brother, he said,

the most demanded wrestler in the world. Hulk earned his nickname, which became his real name, when he walked onto a television set where a live interview with Lou for Rigno was going on. Mister, did this article come out? This came out in like August of eighty one, and he's the what in the world, the most demanded wrestler, So okay in eighty one, and we're gonna say that Vince McMahon created right exactly. It is called the most in demand wrestler of the world in nineteen eighty one, thank you.

Moving on, Hulk earned his nickname, which became his real name, when he walked into a television set where a live interview with Lou for Rigno was going on. Mister Hogan challenged for Ricknou, who stars as the Incredible Hulk in the TV series, to an arm wrestling match. Mister Frickno politely and intelligently turned mister Hogan down, and a legend was born. There are many who question the legitimacy of pro wrestling, but they should be advised not

to do so in the presence of the Incredible Hulk Hogan. Later in the article, he claims that he was a heel in New York, that here we go. You ready for a hoganism. He was. He said that he was because he was a heal in New York, that fans outside of Madison Square Guard were so angry they hated him so much they overturned a cab that he was in. Oh, good, good stuff, Like, come on, how'd you get out? Dary? I mean, first of all, can you even fit in a cab? Number one? All right?

Number two? How are they going to fucking lift a cab with you in it? Like Jesus, like eight hundred more pounds in there? Right? I mean the cab is is a ton hulk. Cogan ban that point was what four fifty five eighty something like that, Yeah, something like that.

He also was like twelve feet tall, whole thing. Yeah. An article so also another article from the uh the literally called the Park City Newspaper about Hogan starts off wrestling has been considered about as honest as a politician who kisses babies or a used car salesman in PoCA ut pants. That's being generous.

It is dramatically. It was written off by New York Times critic Brooks Atkinson, who said, once you have seen one meat ball with blonde hair stepped belligerently outside the ring and drinkers the jeering crowd, You've seen them all. Jesus. I mean, at least used car salesman actually sell something that's real and tangible. Yeah right, they at least like, you know, you're gonna get a bad car, but it's still a car. You know, this is even real. It's like buying vapor but buying air. You know,

like that's a fucking joke. The article, you know, they also talk about the pouring of the offers in and they reference the uh the loof Arigno moment, and they further the tail That's legend by saying Hogan wants no confusion as to who the real Hulk is. Look at that bearing fucking Ferigno. Yeah, who he would later pay, well, not directly, but royalties forever more to use the name. Yeah right, well not him,

but Marvel Marvel Yeah well yeah, notice and own it. So he wouldn't pay lou his own ship, right for somebody that so uh thoroughly owned the original Hulk. It kind of I wonder who won at the end of the day in the final mallon sheet. I'll say so. There were some other things happening for Hulk Hogan at this time. Shortly after the release of this

movie of Rocky three, he met Linda. Whenever he would do a tour of Japan, he would stop at La and hang out with Stallone and other cronies like we're talking about, including this old high school of of friend of Hogan's, Nelson Kidwell and Nelson Kidwell and if I'm not mistaken, about twenty years or so, he'd wrestle a guy named kid Man. So it's kind of all connected there. Nelson Kidwell. Is that where he had the steroids scent? Is? I am no? Oh god? What was his name?

It was some guy who's actually some guy who had ties to Massachusetts. Actually I don't remember his name now, but I would remember if it was that one. Yeah, So okay, I was gonna say something. I was gonna say something. Where was I? Where was Idwell? Kidman? Crowns? Linda? Linda? Right, So we're actually Jesus, this is going to be the perfect companion piece to the Christmas show we did Christmas in the Territory. Oh, totally, totally. That's all about Hulk in a

way. This is like this is the the what the prequel to that? Yes? Indeed. Anyway, So at some hangout that kid Well brought Hogan to, there were a lot of hot women, but the one that stood out the most was Linda Clarridge. And as we all know, she would going to marry Hogan, produces children, he'd cheat on her, should divorce him and then write a book about it to get her story out there. And did they get married? I'm trying to remember. Did they get married

on Japanese television? Yes? They did, they did. Don't forget that. If you don't mind, we're gonna have a little fun here under the cinemat. I'm going to send you basically a script here, and we're going to read an excerpt from her interview on the Pierce Morgan Show. This is Linda McMahon, Linda, yeah right, Linda Clairidge, Linda fuck off, I'm looking for Linda brother and you will play Linda okay, who goes by Hogan in this transcript? Oh right, because that's her real last name,

right not? You imagine this poor woman like she marries a guy named Bleya for the rest of her life her last name is actually according to the accord of the fucking Salt Lake article, it was fucking uh has he changed his name to Hulk Hogan? Legally, that's what he said. I don't know that they said they changed an Did you get it? All? Right? Yeah? Go ahead? Push. Yeah, you know, how would you sum up marriage to the Hulk? You know, well, we were married

for twenty four years, and you know, it was great. I mean, honestly, I'd never dreamed that we would end up having the lifestyle that we did. When I met him, he was in the Rocky three movie, and I thought he was an actor playing a wrestler, because in California back then, wrestling wasn't even on TV. And didn't know that what it was. I was like, you wrestle, Like, what is that?

So she's from California? Is that what she's saying? Oh? I thought she was from U or at least she was living in California at this time, because he does say he met her in La Interesting. So, but you know, soon after we started going out, Yeah, I guess she does have a California accent. We got married and I went on the road with him, and I learned. I realized when all was involved, and it was quite a job, Terry shut up, especially working with the WWF.

That was a huge empire that you know, became even bigger, and it was rock and roll. It was like being married to a rock star. Yes, and of course, as the book details, his behavior became pretty similar to that of most rock stars. I mean, let's be brutally frank. You know, you had to go through the infidelity, the line control issues, and all the rest of it, very similar to the kind of stuff you read about you read about the average rock star. I mean,

it's a very honest book you've written. Do you feel that the relationship basically floundered the moment you heard he'd been unfaithful to you? Yes, I mean, honestly, I put my heart and soul into the marriage. We started out with, you know nothing. Really I met him, I didn't know what he did. He wasn't really wasn't famous. He had been in he'd been in the Rocky three movie, and I thought that, wow, that's exciting, you know. But I saw a good person in him in

the beginning. And how you are you're in a play? Oh that's great, back to Hogan's mother. But I saw a good person in him in the beginning, and I still do today. I just think that with the men in those positions, it's like you're seeing in the news now with the politicians and all these celebrities, that just happens to them so easily. It's just it's there, it's in their face for the first time that he had

an infidelity and admitted that. To me. It was earth shattering to me, Linda, it's been a it's a fride talking to you so far. The book does then take more surprising turns. First of all, another rough hit I think is just when your daughter Brooke calls you at four am. She's crying and she tells you that one of a friends, Chris jan is now going out with Terry, your recently departed husband. How did that make you feel? Well, that was a blow. That was definitely a surprise.

You know, although the last year that we had been in Miami, we had brought we brought the VH one show to Miami just for kind of a fresh change. They'll do that, And the whole year that we were down there, we were there really primarily to do the show, and Brooke had a music deal down there, so one of the girls that worked at the music place was her kind of right hand girl, you know, would travel with her sometimes when I couldn't go, and her name was Christianne.

She would come over and spend the night, even though she was like thirty three or something at that time or thirty two, a little older than Brook. But they've got along great. It was a good friend for Brooke. So she'd come over and spend the night, and I'd got up and bring them hot chocolate and hears some cereal, and you know, tell stories with them. And then I'd say, all right, good night. I'd give her a kiss good night. On the lips, I'd give Brook a kiss

good night. It got pretty hot, you know. I did have a weird sense. And then I went and found a twenty one year old looks like Hulk. So everything works out, you know. I did have a weird sense that maybe something might be going on. And I asked Brooke and she said, Mom, no, don't be crazy, Christianne. Are you kidding? We're a good friend. No way. I'm like, okay, took it out of my head. I'm like, what am I crazy? You know? It must be crazy. Brooke called me and said, Mom,

you're never going to believe this. You were right, You were right? And I said what what? She goes? Are you sitting down? I was like, oh god, what's wrong with you? And she just said Dad was having an affair with Christianne. You were right? And I said, how do you know that? She said, I found out through one of my friends, and it's true. She gave me a letter. She talks all about how she's sorry and that this love affair they had couldn't be denied, blah blah blah, And I was like, are you kidding

me? And that was a final kick in the teast for you. Well, it was just, you know, i'd been through it once already, and you know once that I knew once that I knew about. There were times that I had already thought maybe it was going on, but I wasn't

a stranger to that. But the worst thing was dealing with poor Brook because it was her friend to think that her dad could be pounding pus sorry Pierce, Yes for one thing, yes, uh, doing that behind her back, where she's confiding in his friend and the friend is telling her dad everything. And then you know, me and Brooke would go on the road with this girl and the girl would go back and tell everything to Terry. It

was just almost like double roll up, double trial. Yes, you know, living with the enemy, you know, yes, yes, yes, you don't know what to believe anymore? Now. I thought I should have saw that coming He's Alapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and jo It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast. And so Brooke was very upset, and you know, but the point is, Oh, I'm sorry, boss, I just lost my place. I don't know that happened. We'll get back there. So

one of the girls that weren't he fucked her in the pussy. You don't know what to believe anymore. And so Brooke was very upset, and you know, but the point is is that she had a contract with vh one as well as did her dad, and they had to try to make amends and they make things work. So in her way, maybe it was just easier for her just to get Look, you know, mom can't deal with you right now. I've got to deal with my dad and do my show.

So we really didn't have a lot of communication that first year, and I just I let her go. I let her find her space because I felt that she has to get through this her way, and as far as mine, it was almost kind of like I knew it. I mean it was kind of like, Okay, I knew that I wasn't crazy. You know this, this might be wrong of me, but the bit in the book that I read is a bit like one of those rocky films where you're just willing to You're just willing you to get off the ropes and do a

bout of touching. And I can't think of any any better way, really, And I know this might be wrong of me to think this, that you begin that you begin dating a nineteen year old lad called Charlie. Let's get to the point of the interview. Linda, you're fucking a nineteen year old, are you not? Bet this is what he looks like. Yes, I but a part of you was thinking exactly that, chuckmate, right, Yes, I mean, you know, girls do all different kinds of

things when they're man wrongs them, you know. I mean they'll throw eggs at their house or teepee your house or whatever. You know. Sometimes I polish a nineteen year old. Sometimes they'll poper rating. I mean, he's like a young Hulk, isn't he. Yeah, well he is. Actually we started out being friends until we fucked, of course, I was.

It was the weekend before they took the jail, my sagging pussy. The week before Nick went to jail, I was showing him my son kissed twat and I was just walking on the beach with Nick and saw this guy. I said, God, that guy is hot. You know, it's been nine months since I've filed for divorce. I've been pretty alone, and maybe he'd just be kind of fun to have over and have for some tea or diet coke or that's what it says. Did you find being called a cougar

in the tabloids? Did you quite like it? Charlie was really smooth too. He told me he was twenty three. Okay, so I was then when I found out. Then, when I found out he was nineteen, I said, okay, as long as you're nineteen not seventeen, we're good. You're legal. How does Terry deal with Charlie? He doesn't really like the idea. Of course, of course, will he be back soon? And to this day, Terry still don't speak to me. We can only talk to each other. I'm a lovely day. We can only talk to

each other through our lawyers. And I don't know why. I'm sure that one of the reasons is that he doesn't want to have to be where we get chummy. And I'm like, so, tell me, why did you really go with Christian how was that? How long were you doing that? I'm not going to do that to him. I don't even care at this point. I'm over it. I have moved on and I have a great I'm like so over it, trying my best to do Nikki and Bree's mother

here, and I have a great life now. Maybe if she says I'm looking, if she says the word feel, to get that accent, I have to pronounce it as if it's spelled p h, I L file Phil Phil I full. I just feel I just fell in California, really full full. I'm always falling full, and I have a great life now.

I knew I wasn't happy before. And I think that's one of the messages that I bring out to the book is that Richard poorr, you know there are so many women out there that just that have this same scenario as I do, that have kids that have been married a long time, that have to stop and realize the carpet has been pulled out from under their life and they're fifty years old and now they have to start over. But does the

coupet match the drapes? I think, good on you. You know you're entitled after all, you went through, you're in touched a bit of happiness. And if it comes in the form of Charlie Hill, how old is he now? Not that that's the whole point of the interview, but how old he's going to be? Twenty three? It's a twenty nine year age gap. You know, people call and label me a cougar or melf or whatever, and geez, I mean, you know, we'll say what you have to say. I don't know. That's just part of it. But

I don't see myself as that. Are the kids okay with it? My kids love him. He's just a good person. It has ended happily. I really enjoyed meeting you. Thanks tears. We reached out to Hulk Hogan for comment on Linda's claims about the car accident and what she says were multiple infidelities done in their marriage. He declined to comment in a in his in his books book He very much comment comments my life out he says, and I quote because this is related to Rocky three Well, they said Rocky a

bunch of times. I love that, you know, you get sucking, that, you know you get down. You're talking about it counts, he said. Rocky let's go bring him in. Guys, let's set it up. He said, Rocky, We're good. They referenced Rocky three times. We're good. This is totally fits love it and uh with a suspicion to scratch that. Her belief that I was cheating was like a whole way down

in the hold of the ship. Brother, No matter what I said or did or said try to patch that hole, the water cap would keep breaking through. As far as I'm concerned until our marriage was completely over. I never cheated on Linda. He would later go on to clarify that Terry Blay, I never cheated on exactly. He couldn't comment on the actions of hul Cove. Yeah, I did not have sex with that woman. I just blew her throwed out your brother looks you know, Terry Bullay didn't have sex

with that woman. Hulk Cogan had sex with that woman. Brother, I just you know, I was just there for the ride. Terry Bullaya Bruce to esophagus difference, Terry Blaa didn't even have a heart on during that during that brother, So you know Hulk Cogan had a heart on. Brother. Fuck Yeah, So Hulk Hogan and Uh, Rocky three now, of course, there is another w w EE Hall of Famer who was in this movie who goes. As we mentioned before, Comine evented the first WrestleMania with Hulk

Cogan against Roddy Piper and Old Clubber Lang. Huh old club that's right, and also went on to WrestleMania too to have a boxing match with Rowdy Roddy Piper. Mister T all right, he was Uh, he was born in Chicago. A little history on mister T before we get into it. Born in Chicago with the name Lawrence Terreau. Changed his name several times before landing on mister T. You know why No, Uh, the reason being,

and it's pretty intense. Actually, he would watch his father, uncle, other black people and friends and relatives of whatever being called boy and getting no respect. So he literally changed his name to mister T so people would be forced to call him mister right out of the gate. And fucking badass. I thought it was because he loved his mother. He does love his mother, and he does talk about his mother a lot. But what I understand

definitely a crazy ass Christian. Uh, it's funny they call it. He's called a born again Christian, but it seems like he was always Christian, So I don't know when he was born again? Oh really, yeah, because he fucking was. He've been talking about Christianity forever. I always talk about him. Maybe he's born again edge, maybe that's that could be, And maybe he's a born again brood, born again gangrel. In high school, he played football, studied martial arts, and was a city wide wait

for it, wrestling champion. He was a wrestling champion in high school, flunked out of college, served in the military for a little while, failed to try out for the Green Bay Packers. Ultimately became the front door front door security man at a club called Dingbats. He doesn't like being called a bouncer. He is like head of front door security or whatever in the Rush Street section of Chicago, And apparently before he was the official outdoor front door

security guard, he went to the club to socialize first. When he wasn't working as a security guard at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago, mister T spent his time at a nightclub called Dingbats. Former Dingbats managers Calvin high Collins and John Betoy remember the natalie attired mister T. He looked like a big buffoon, the wall, the derby hat, the bell bottoms. He came down the first time, didn't have money to get into Scilly, and he stood

around for a while bothering the ladies that were coming in the door. We let him go and use the bathroom. About an hour later, we realized this guy didn't come back out of the club after we let him use the bathroom, and we noticed he was on the dance floor. The Toy and Hollins knew what they had to do. They had to throw mister T out. Later that evening, a scuffle broke out near the club's entrance. Mister

T was still hanging around outside the club. He came to the assistance of Hollins and Btoy, so we threw the guy out and at that point we let him come in and from that day on he started coming out of here every day every day. Hollins and Betoy quickly took a liking to the fast talking, charismatic twenty six year old. They hired mister T as a bouncer,

no pay, but all the food he could eat. That's all you need, all you need is a fucking couple of steaks, And told you it's all about food, all about food, and in fact, the owner of the club, so these guys, those two guys were the managers, and the owner of the club was confused because he kept seeing these tabs of multiple steaks that were being consumed by the unknown mister D. He had no fucking idea like what was going on, Like why are these where? Why

are we losing steaks? Yes? Uh, look, I mean it's very simple. It's about food. That's exactly about food is fucking funny when it comes to a bunch of cloth, food is fucking funny. That's funny. Food is funny in general, but especially with a bunch of like uncontrollable ogres like these clothes. It's like like I called him a buffoon, like that called mister T a buffoon tremendous so uh you know. And it was actually during this time at at this club, at Dingbats, Ding Bats, fucking

Christ uh, he started really manufacturing the mister T gimmick. Uh. Basically what he would do, like like the gold, he would gather the gold and jewels of people who left them behind in the club. Really, yep, that's how we kind of you know, that's how he uh uh uh uh kind of started wearing these chains and these rings and whatever. But you know, this is a this is a wrestling story. So of course someone else has a different tale, and that would be Bishop Don Magic wand former

pimp. You know, most of this year that mister T had came from me. You know the ring that mister T wore and I gave it to him as a gift, and he had a mixed style and another thing. I sold that one to him. You know, Mitter T, you owe me a few more dollars if you see this interview. Of course you do. Of course he does. So there's just as many authors of mister T's gold, people who got hul Covid connected with exactly so his reputae actually he

he he had a notable repute. I don't know how much you know about mister T. But I didn't know too much about his preow Hollywood stuff, but he probably he gained a huge reputation at in this club and at this area in Chicago by not being afraid of anything. And I guess at one point he even got a gun pointed at his face and he was like not scared of it, and it was like, you know, you're gonna go down to the guy who was doing him. So eventually his the Mister T

legend grew so big that he would uh you know. He became the bodyguard for a number of top celebrities, athletics, athletics athletes, and other people. His daily rate averaged three thousand to ten thousand dollars a night. Wow, that makes Payday look right. And this is just for doing literally doing you know nothing, watching people and whatever. So the story behind mister T getting cast in the movie is that he was in an NBC special called World's

Toughest Bouncer. So, if I'm not mistaken, what happened was he was the bodyguard for Muhammad Ali during a fight and he got noticed because of that because no, it was shit, I don't remember who it was. It was another fighter who doesn't who's not a good talker, and he got noticed because the cameras turned on the fighter, and because he didn't talk, mister Tis talked for him. He basically was his manager in a way, you know, his wrestling manager. And he got a lot of notice for that

and also for being Muhammad Ali's bodyguard. And so NBC cast him in a special called the World's Toughest Bouncers, which would then morphed into a short lived reality series in nineteen eighty one called The Games People Play and starring h as a toddler. And this is from the Den of Geek website. Having earned a legendary reputation working as the doorman at Dingbat's Disco in Chicago, where he had over two hundred fights quote unquote, he was approached by NBC to take

part in a TV show called America's Toughest Bouncer. Much like The Great British Bakeoff, this was a competition that pitted people from all over the country against each other in a series of challenges related to their chosen field. Unlike Bakeoff, however, one of these challenges involved throwing a one hundred and fifteen pound stunt man as far as they could. And then there's a caption although it's fun to picture this happening to Mary Barry, so, I guess the host

of Bakeoff. I don't know. I've never learned. Yeah, guy, that's a little forced. I don't know much about that. I don't know. I know it happens every year and it's a it's very popular, But I've never watched it. The toughest event in the show was called the Blast, where each bouncer would jump from behind a bar, run around a group of tables filled with people, jump over a rail, and then run through a four inch wooden door, after which he must ring a bell to stop

the clock. Now, how do you think mister T trained for this protein shake and cardio work out before hitting the weights? How about a Rocky style montage of meat punching, tire dragging, and running up some steps. Neither comes close. What mister T actually decided to do was return to the ghetto, find a bunch of old, condemned buildings, and physically reduce him to

rubble by smashing through the doors and walls. As he explains, I heard the neighbor telling the police that some crazy man comes in here every afternoon to find a different building than once inside, starts running through the doors and the walls. I trained like that for two weeks, one on the south side

and one week on the west side, tearing down buildings. Needless to say, the regime worked, and mister T resoundingly won America's Toughest Bouncer twice, making such an impression on one viewer sliced alone that he was offered the word ubber laying in Rocky exactly. He saw him toss this. I believe T want through a guy that that that that that stunt man if I think he

threw the guy supposedly seventeen feet. Wow, that's incredible. You see, I always heard that stallone's casting director picked up a copy of Inside Bodyguarding magazine. I thought it was Body Body Bodyguarding Illustrated. Now pro pro Body Guarding Illustrated. That's correct. PBI got the editor, the editor on the phone, and the rest is history. I always heard it was some other bodyguard who Slide worked with actually on a previous project. I know there's one bodyguard.

They're all cardies. I mean, you heard that in the pimps and the you know, the people talking about taking credit for mister T's uh ice such as it was. Uh you know, mister T was very very well prepared for professional wrestling as much, which is as terrified as he ended up being that he was exposed. But that's it. I mean, you know, wrestlers built up a tough guy image and built spend the rest of their lives terrified that someone's going to expose them, and mister t was pretty much

the same thing. Yeah, exactly. He totally was like all personality, you know, like for for for wrestling. I mean, I don't doubt his toughness in these in these real situations, but in wrestling all bite, no bark, and that can win you over in wrestling without doubt. So

one mean that was interesting. Uh. There was supposedly a significant amount during one of these I don't remember which competition it was, which toughest bouncer competition it was, but one of the ones that he won maybe both for all I know, Uh, there was a lot of racial tension and people were booing him because of his skin color, and uh yeah, it was like it was pretty suppose it's pretty intense because people were like, here's this guy

doing all these crazy things and people are fucking booing him because he's black, Like it's fucked up, Harlem heat right seriously. Uh, And like I said, he got the eye of casting director Ronda Young, who was working on Rocky three at the time. The casting team and I have a piece with stallone. He talks about a little bit more. He actually wanted. They were trying to go with a real boxer, and they were considering Joe Frasier Ernie Shavers for the role of lying, but they both failed miserably.

Tea when he came in fully prepared, ready to go, he was brilliant on the screen test. He was exactly what you wanted, and he had memorized everything. He knew how to be angry. He knew how to put the the fear into somebody, and then he knew how he actually had I would say, like an instinct to act. The night that he got the party, got the call at dig Bats, he hit, picked up the phone hits, which was our intercom system, and said, drinks are on

the house? Which on whose house? Was on my house? That's the owner of Dingbats. That's tremendous. Was that Ronda Young great gread to hear her voice? Yeah, well that's cool to know. Yeah. Uh. Te trained crazy hard for the role. Personality though, like his his his inflection, everything all him. And as I said, Stallone was a as we talked about, Slone was a nut for realistic fighting. Another fact that Hogan did not exaggerate about. Uh. He wanted Tea to throw heavy punches

right at his head. Slide did and he would actually try to block them, like and apparently, you know, Sly says, he gets some pretty nasty shots on on him on the chin and stuff like that, so not too surprised, uh. Mister T has also gone on to say that that Clipper Lank is his favorite role that he's ever played because he was he really related. They had a similar background, similar story and stuff, so he really liked that, he always says, and he talks about how the role

to him wasn't a bad guy, it was he was misunderstood. He was a guy just hungry, you know, he was trying to get something done. After the movie's release, an article came out in one of T's hometown newspapers, the Chicago Sun Times, and it goes like this, mister T wants all his friends out there to know he hasn't gone Hollywood on them. He's still the same sweet, lovable guy he was when he was a bodyguard

for Leon Spinks and a bouncer at Disco Tech's. I don't like that phony Hollywood stuff, says mister T. I don't like phony people making a big thing out of me. If I wasn't in the movie, they wouldn't even look at me, they'd say, who is this wild Rachel slur with the haircut. It's right there in print. Oh, it's right there in print, right there. Oh it's as you know. And he said it's non Tea said it too. T said it about himself. No, no,

I understand that. But it's not like asterisk. Oh no, no, no, no, it is. It is there full word in Chicago. If he wants to avoid phony people, he certainly took an interesting career path after this. Yeah, I'm right, seriously, it is not that mister T isn't enjoying his celebrity status, which is that it's which is at its heights thing to his role in Sylvester Stallone's latest ring late. Thanks to his role as Sylvester Stallone's latest ring antagonist in Rocky three, he might even be

available for further movie appearances should the right parts come along. But let nobody think he has changed lifestyles or careers. I'm a bodyguard, not an actor. As mister T says in Bodyguarding, I feel myself worth. I get satisfaction out of saving someone's life. I feel like a doctor. I've never been to an acting school, and I'm not going, says mister T. So Lester said, you don't rehearse, mister T, you turn him loose. I think I'm talented enough to play any part. I can play a

Hamlet. Just dress me in a wig, That's what he says. Uh. Mister T bumped into Stallons into the salone at ringside of Ali's fight with Larry Holmes and told him the casting director for Rocky three had been trying to reach him. Mister T beat some twelve hundred contenders for the part. Joe Fraser, k and Norton, Ernie Shaver's Jim Brown, Fred Williamson were among those considered by memorizing memorized as we said before, seven pages of the script

and doing an impressive improvisation. Asked to explain why he wanted the part, mister T build up a towering rage, saying, among other things, that he wanted to buy a home for his mother so badly that it burned like hot coals in his stomach. There it is cut, Stallone said. When he had finished perfect, I told him I've been playing that character all my life, said mister T. So quite a quite a tale for mister T as well, coming up here, I mean just as important to Julkamania as

Hulk Hogan in terms of the absolutely year, absolutely, no question. And it is so amazing that that the two of them would combine, you know, and and and T was only at the very beginning of his of his brush with fan because you know, eighteen was was not you know, it was on its way and that would really claim him and cereal boxes and all that kind of shit. I used to look at and I had the mister T Cereal Did you ever get that? Well, you might have been too

young for it. Yeah, I was like, right, you know, because he would have been still big in like, you know, if he's eighty five, I'm four. And I mean, mister T sugar cereal, no question about it. Absolutely, you know. I wonder if anyone's ever asked Vince, like, when do you remember seeing Rocky three and like, did the hull Cogan mister T alliance occur to you even then? Or no,

I discovered mister T. Yeah right, Exactly. People don't understand is that mister T wasn't really you know, yes, he did the thing and in Rocky three, and and I guess hul Cogan was in that movie. I never saw it, but it was really me bringing them together that made both of them who they were, got it? I you know, might as well call me mister m I am mister T and I am Hulk Hogan. Yes, that's a fact. I'm glad to clear that up. That's

what I thought. Yeah, right for now. So we've got Hogan, We've got mister T. And did you know that there is a third wrestling personality in this movie? No, yes there is. Have you ever heard of a wrestling announcer turned TV host named Dennis James? No? Well, this is actually speaking of James. This is very much thanks to James and his incredible help with my research, because I would have never found this fucking one but Dennis James. He plays one of the announcers in the Thunderlips scene,

opposite Jim Healy. Was an announcer for wrestling from Columbia Park on the Dumont Network in the hunteen fifties. Yes he was well. Hold on a second, say this again, Dennis James, yep, wrestling from Columbia Park. Wrestling from Columbia Park. Where's Columbia Park? I don't know, Chicago, I don't know, because I'm Comiskey Park. Well that they only didn't want. The only reason I get really interested is because one of the huge

yeah wrestling from Columbia Park. Yeah, Marry Gold, Yeah, the Merry Gold. That's that's the that's the venue for the initial wrestling television shows on the Dumont Network in the Gorgeous Georgia era. The reason I asked is I wonder if this is the guy? Say his name again. It's Dennis James. Ye, folks that uh listen to our first star cast show where we do the Buddy Rogers Pat O'Connor Kimisky Park match in sixty one before a live

crowd. Would recall that I was very frustrated by not being able to find out who the who the TV announcer was during the match. Listening back because I will listen to many time, but so uh yeah more or you wow.

This is from the Sports on Television book by Alvin H. Merrill Merrill, I don't know all around announcer and later familiar game show hosts, Dennis James was the wrestling commentator for Dumont virtually from the beginning, and, in his unique affable style, more or less proved that wrestling was more than show was more showbiz than sport. James regularly added his own showbiz touched the proceedings

as the man at ringside showing up. It has been reported equipped with dog biscuits, walnut shells, and pieces of wood that he would crack into the mic whenever a wrestler would apply a bone crushing hold. Oh my god, that's what he does. What they're saying. In the early days, Dumont and to a lesser extent, ABC televised the bulk of sports events. Among

the extremely popular wrestling shows were those that originated locally from Chicago. On Sunday nights on Dumont, Jack Brickhouse called the act from uh Marrigold Garden for nearly sixty years. For ABC, it was Wayne Griffin announcing from Rainbow Arena and Dennis James did the matches from arenas around the New York area. James, then, I guess, but I don't know why. Who is that first name? Jack Brickhouse from America Garden. Yeah, that sounds right, but

I guess, so he did it from New York. But wrestling from Columbia Park, you said, with Chicago, Yeah, it seems like Columbia Park was another term for Marygold Arena, which was in Chicago, for sure. But no, oh and oh, I guess he did. He did Sunyside Gardens, Jerome, Jamaica, and Columbia Park arenas. So ah, maybe park. Is there a Columbia Park in New York. Let's see Empire State Friends screaming at their podcast app of fuck Columbia Park, New York. I'm

sure there is. Whether it's the it's Columbus No, no, yeah, nothing comes out, so yeah. Anyway, Dennis James became defined by his enthusiastic okay mother phrase when describing a particular fall or a hold, a phrase made so popular by him that he actually used it as the title of one of his numerous daytime game shows. Okay mother. Bizarre, Yeah, very bizarre. But here's some clips of him calling a match. This first one, hold on, what do we get here? This first one is Gene

Stanley versus Coola Kwariani. Yep, Cola Quarriotti. That's the promoter that Bruno went with over Vin Senior, causing their first riff. All right, listeners of the Bruno tribute show that we did, we'll recall Cola Queriatti, also a star of the big screen. There we go Japanese arm liking the by Stanley am a monkey clip by Jane. I love the way Jane just pramps around uttering, yes you know I sometimes he doesn't really aggravate the restorer,

but aggravating the rest of or not. He pleases the ladies. What do you know about it? And then Stanley a big star, Oh yeah America, and then also oh really, no kidding Jeane Stanley Medies and Gentleman. And then this next clip from uh Benito Gardini versus you know someone we're from pretty familiar with and Antonino Rocca. Sure Guardin He said, I used my head and Raka uses his bare feet and here we go. You see that Racca constantly moves Guardian. He said, hey, what's going on here?

Watch if you'll see things executed that you've never seen before in your life. Was he can move this boy? There's his stay cold. He's so he was making chop meat out of Guardini. However, that's awesome, like that style a great stuff. But he's very funny. I love his voice very It's like so fifty. It's like it's such a great, totally sounding I've never heard I've never heard wrestling called by somebody with a voice like that, you know, yeah, right right, And he sounds like he's having fun.

And that's how you can't get much more than that totally. And then this from his obit in the New York Times. Sennis James, the perpetual television personality whose career as a ubiquitous game show host, announcer, actor, and commercial spokesman extended from the primeval days of television to the present, died on Tuesday at his home in Palm Springs, California. He was seventy nine and had worked almost continuously since nineteen thirty eight. His son Brad said the

cause was lung cancer or disease, diagnosed on January thirtieth January. In January, thirty years after mister James, along the voice of Old Gold Cigarettes, had stopped smoking. A native of Jersey City, mister James, whose original name was Demi James, Demi Demi James Sposa, graduated from Saint Peter's College

and passed up medical school to become an actor. After graduating from the Theater School of the Performing Arts at Carnegie Hall, he sold dog supplies at Abercrombie and Fitch dog supplies at Abercrombie and Fish, apparently before getting a job at a small radio station in New Jersey through a brother who worked for mister Dumont, he shifted from radio to television, joining the new medium early and proving so flexible an adept that, although early records are skimpy, he eventually claimed

two dozen television firsts. By the time mister James returned from three years of army service in World War Two and obtained a do it all contract from the Dumont Network, television was beginning to attract a wider audience. If the choreographed mayhem a professional wrestling seems an unlikely magnet, it was mister James's witty,

tongue in cheek common terry that provided much of its early appeal. Knowing nothing about professional wrestling, he addressed his commentary to a mythical television mother, made up names for holds he didn't recognized, and used a rubber dog bone from his Abercrombie days to create the crunching sounds of bone breaking while he's stripped down a balloon to create the effect of blood curdling screams you know what I'm prepared to say at this point in this episode of Under the cinemat yep, I'm

only gonna reserve this, I think going forward, for one figure we touch on per episode, Ladies and gentlemen, Dennis James. I'll say, you know what I mean, what a fucking character? Fuck me? I knew nothing. And what does he do in the movie? He does the commentary, he's one of the one of the announcers for for the wrestling match. Well, I'm looking forward to that. Ye for mister James, a man who husbanded his money and invested it wisely. This amounted to combining charity with

pleasure. His Palm Springs home looks out over the Mission Hills country Club course, and until his final illness, he managed to play every day. So Dennis James, Ladies and gentlemen, And finally we bring you Sylvester Stallone. Yes, writer, director, hall of famer, hall not yet and star of the Rocky move well not. He didn't direct all of them, but he directed four out of the six Rocky movies. The first four, No,

he directed, the middle he didn't direct the first one. He directed the uh middle three of the first five, John g have Avoldson, I can never say his fucking name directed one and five, and then Rocky Stallone directed six, but he's written all. He was born Michael Sylvester Gardenzio Stallone. His mother Jackie, had trouble giving birth to him, and the doctors apparently had to use two sets of four steps to help get him out.

Wow yep. And this procedure has actually caused nerve damage to his face and gave him his signature. He's he's uh, what do you call it? When he can't move? Yeah, he's got yeah. That's why he's got that weird snarl in his slurred speech because I never knew that. Yeah. Part of his lower face, like whatever side that's on, is paralyzed because

of this, because of his birth. After moving around to different parts of the country, he attended the University of Miami, where he studied acting and he booked a small part, I believe, and when he was done, he packed up to move to New York. He was from he said he's from I say he was from New York, but he's from New York originally. But he moved back to New York and during this time got evicted from his apartment and at one point slept in Port Authority for three weeks because he

was homeless. It was around this time he spotted a casting notice for a softcore porn movie, which paid him two hundred dollars. So this is Have you heard the story the slashed alone porn movie. Oh yeah, yeah, it was always kind of a there was there's a legend. Did he did this early in his career? Oh yeah, this is way before this is. Yeah, it's like I said, he's sleeping, he's homeless, and

he did this movie. So when I was a kid, I remember hearing about this, this porn movie and saying that's why he got the name the Italian Stallion, and that's why they used that in Rocky. Was kind of like, he's writing about that, but it's the other way around. So the porn movie, the softcore porn movie was made before Rocky, but came out after his after Rocky, and so they renamed the movie Italian Stallion to cash it on the Rocky success. So everyone's a fucking carny. Everyone's a

fucking carny. Yeah, take advantage absolutely. And from then he appeared in a number of small in some major films and TV shows he was. He had a part in the TV show mash Like small parts in Clute Kojaku, in the Woody Allen's Bananas and another thing, so he actually had After these, he had his first starring vehicle, but much like the Starfcore Porn, it wouldn't be released until years later, and they re edited the movie apparently in the style of, uh, do you know the movie? You know,

Woody Allen's first movie, What's Up Tiger Lily? His firsttorial effort. Okay, so this is What's Up? Tiger Lily? Is Woody Allen's first film, not the movie Stallone was in, but same style, so they

What's Up Tiger Lily? Is? Woody Allen took a film, a pre already a pre existing Jazzjapanese James Bond type spy thriller, and he he redubbed the dialogue and reorganized the scenes, and I think added new footage of him in it, and I said, completely redob the and and then instead of being this spy thriller, it was about a spy who was searching trying to get the world's best egg salad recipe from somebody. So it was this comedy.

He trigged this, this Japanese spy thriller into a comedy. And that's what they did as well for this movie that Stallone made the starting vehicle. But because it came out after Rocky and even after Rambo, like they just you know, this movie just didn't exist. They they renamed this picture and then again they re edited, they redubbed the dialogue and called it a man named Rainbow. So like, just wacky shit going on these fucking people.

So back to the seventies. March of seventy five, Stallone goes sees a boxing match with Chuck Wepner and Muhammad Ali where Webner nearly goes the distance with Ali and gets knocked out I think in late in the fifteenth round. And apparently Stallone went home that night and wrote the script for Rocky. In the next three and a half days, he tried to sell the studios, but nobody was interested, but the producing team of Erwin Winkler and Robert Charthoff.

They ultimately they had a weird deal where if movie, if the movie was going to be low enough budget. This is not common. Usually you have to go to a studio head to get a green light for a movie to move forward. But Erwin Winkler big producer, big, big, big producer, and he, uh, hold on, I actually want to check if I'm not mistaken, mister Winkler, Henry Winkler's dad, probably And yeah, so raging Bowl the right stuff. Good fellas like this is he's a fucking

you know, he's a fucking beast of a of a producer. And so yeah, so they so they they had a deal with MGM where their production company, uh Winkler and chart off if if a if a project was had a small enough budget, they could green light it on their own without going to the studio higher ups. And so that's what they did. They they did it, and they bought They bought Rocky. But there was a little caveat caveat to the sale. Stallone must play the role. He wouldn't give

it unless he played the role. United Artists. They wanted to use the script for Robert Redford James conn our good friend here on under the Cinemat, but Stallone said and his team they wouldn't allow it. So this is when they did lower budget and while a slight Stallone plays Rocky. Of course, the movie was a huge success. Yeah, and nominated for a bunch of Oscars, including Best Actor, Best Picture, Best Screenplay, winning Best Director

and Best Picture. In seventy seven is when they would have won. So let's not forget this in the grand scheme of life. So that's just alone Oscar nominee. Okay, that is there, no matter what, absolutely correct. The success of the movie for a Slide led to numerous other opportunities, including Paradise Alley, Rocky two, and First Blood, which would kick off

the Rambo franchise. When he was promoting the Abortion that is Rocky two, Stallone did an interview with Roger Ebert where he actually he he gave this is kind of interesting. He gave some ideas of where he thought Rocky three would go. So even at when he's promoting Rocky two, he's thinking of Rocky three. When we were filming Rocky two, it took a terrible beating a lot of Carl Weathers, you know, really power me. You know it was it was. It was the most grueling thing I ever been through.

And broken bones works fights four times long as as eight times many punches the first one and a lot of those shots are faked, And it was as hard to You know, it's hard to I can't do it for that long. It's it's hard to learn not to hit someone someone as to hit them. Right now, my health is pretty bad, and Ebert says, seriously bad, and Salon it's really bad. I have to go in for extensive testing. They talk to me about enlarged in testings, rearranged insides. I've

lost a lot of weight. Don't worry, I'll get all fixed up. Ebert goes, but you plan to make a final sequel called Rocky three. Will you go through all that pounting again? Yeah? Sure, he says that. What was that? Yeah sure, it's an Italian thing, it must be. Yeah, sure, Why because I have to wick the movie without a fight. The fighter is to look right with the movie, doesn't then right? And I want to make Rocky three in the pretty near future.

Your body has a tendency to go to hell. And I was twenty nine when I was Rocky. Now I'm thirty two. Time doesn't wait. I'd like to make Rocky three in the next eighteen months. See, I have this thing. It may sound crazy. When I was fifteen, I read the Studs Long Again trilogy by James T. Farrell. But this irin kid in Chicago, I guess he died when he was about thirty two. He was all screwed up. But I've always wanted just one time for the

American cinema to round out a character. Each movie should deal with about a year of the character's life. So when Rocky three, Oh, Ebert asks, so, when Rocky three, do Rocky and to Pollo have another rematch? No, no, I've got I've got more at my sleeve than that. I'll tell you what's gonna happen. And Paula retires. Mickey, Rocky's

manager, has a stroke, so all that kind of accurate. Rocky wants to retire, but there's this street tough challenger, and Rocky decides him one more fight, even though he's half blind, and this will be his last fight one way or the other. He goes with Paulo Creed and asks him to be looks like amazing, like all this fucking shit actually happens in the movie Wow, And this is this is when he's promoting Rocky two, booking yep exactly. And he goes with Paula Creed and asks him to be his

trainer and Apollo teaches him to fight the way he does. It's alone smiled. It's interesting their relationship because a Paulo Creed is a Rhodes scholar compared to Rocky Balboa. I didn't know he was in a team with Cody Rhodes and what's Sandau? Oh they were Rhodes scholars. Rhodes scholars, Box, I can't, I can't allow you to make me remember that, like there is a reason I forgot that. That's the land and they were Rhodes scholars.

Apollo teaches him things like how to handle his money. Rocky teaches the Pollo stuff about being street smart. Can you imagine, for example, Rocky Balboa in Europe? But that's where I'm going to take him for his final fight. His last bout will be in the Roman Colisseum, carried worldwide by satellite. Well that doesn't happen, unfortunately, Sloon said in his voice, picked up enthusiasm. Can you see it, Rocky and the Colosseum, the left

gladiated and running up the Spanish steps, and Rocky's deeply religious. Can you imagine him inside Saint Peter's I'm seriously going to try to work in an audience with the pope into the film. I don't know. Maybe with this pope it'll go for it. You know. If you don't, maybe we'll get another pope and then that'll be it for the word. I heard Elijah Burks available depending on how long you want to go, and then that'll be it for the Rocky pictures. Yeah, I want to throw my attention to movies

about love relationships. I'm exploring the female psyche. There ought to be some interesting discoveries that love st if you do it right. People want to hear romantic dialogue, like Rocky says, if you wouldn't be here, I couldn't be here. You know, it looks dangerous to Corny and the printed page, But if it works in the movie, people love it. People's stories. I'm not at all interested in you know, these these nine Men against the World movies, but they'll never be a Rocky four. You can you

can call you got to call a halt. Hear that this business. No Rocky five, no Rocky, no Creed one, no Creed two. Come on, Rocky, Sly, Sly, you're not that sly pal, you're telling on your yourself. Sly, You're not that sly, sly. You don't have control over your life and you think you do it at last. Correct correct, correct, Amundo. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno MJP soo. He's a laps fan wrestling podcast. Later he did

a promoting Rocky three. He did a TV interview where he discussed the evolution of the Rocky character that he would have to go through a similar transition. I have changed somewhat in the past six years, and the character of Rocky is also a very moody character, and I felt that he would have to go through a similar transition in the way that he is not only he perceived

himself with the way people perceived him. That he changes the way he addresses He becomes a spokesman for products, he becomes you might say, America's favorite son, and he loses grasps with reality. He the fighting that becomes secondary and being a personality comes first. And that really really is self destructive because in the end, when he does have to prove his worth, he comes against he might say, immovable odds, and he's in trouble. And the

film is the regaining the redemption of himself. It's The key line in the movie is I the Tiger. He has to go back and find the eye of the tiger, get hungry again, get back, because once you go through I mentioned before pugilistic decadents, when the pain doesn't hurt anymore, and I mean the pain, you start to feel the pain and the challenge isn't there anymore. You don't feel like really destroying one's opponent, and you don't feel like fighting anymore, and you begin to say, well, I wonder

how my restaurant is going on my fast food chain. It's over. It's time to get out. That's good stuff, that's great much listic. Yeah, I'll take that to the bank. So I had the Tiger. So Hogan got that idea from this movie. What for his entrance theme, Well, it's in the movie. Yeah right, yeah, oh yeah, no, no, they That's what I'm saying. Like they they they fucking yeah. They played that whole thing like it was. The movie was huge.

So they took the song gave to Hogan. Yep, oh totally. Now, So you'll you'll notice in this movie he is ripped compared to the previous rocking stole that he wasn't in shade. I mean, Stallone's always been in great shape, but so besides his exercise regimen to get into the shape that he wanted to be. You ready for this? This is his diet.

He apparently he claims this too. This is him. He posted this a couple of years ago that he only ate small portions of oatmeal, cookies with brown ricewent, five cups of coffee a day with honey, and a couple scoops of tuna fish. That's what every fucking day. Cool, right, And this got them down to what was people doctors told me it was unhealthy two point nine percent body fat. Oh my god, Like, what the fuck? Man? I think? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I get

ads on Facebook for the same thing. They call it a diet and they ship it to your house and all that. I mean, honestly, they put the die and diet seriously all right, so taste great with none of the sacrifices of the last fat diet. I'll take. I'll take the blow away diet. Yeah. Can I Can I get the one that gives me more body fat? Please? Can I get the one that you know, just fucking put powder on my stomach and I blow it away with a stilet

all the shit that I want, But nobody said. You know, we get called out by the way for not for not talking about the coke, the co caine reference there. The cocaine. Yeah, well it is very very there's a lot of cocaine to it, and and how cocaine makes you lose weight. I would like to maybe use that as my next Halloween costume. The Bloway diet. Just carry around like some flour or what are you supposed to be on the blow away diet? Give me a second, No

ship, what the hell to take a clothes off? Why the hell you dressed like a fucking loaf of bread? All right, go ahead, New Yeast Rising. That's it. That's the show, New w w c W, New Yeast Rising. I'll tell you there were there were plenty of yeast infections in w c W at that point in time, and most of them were in the mail offer. Uh so the first when when Stallone sold the first Rocky script, they sold for around twenty five thousand dollars and he got

paid thirty five thousand dollars a star in it. Then for part two, and keep in mind that there was a yeah, there was a million dollar budget eventually, you know, so thirty five thousand of the budget went towards stallone. And they also had bigger stars in it as well. Tal you

know, Talia Schier was fresh off of two Godfather movies. Fucking what's his name, Paulie Bert Young, fucking Bert Young, and he's great, he's fucking awesome in Chinatown, and you know, Action Jackson there himself, right, Carl weathers uh. For part two, he got he got a flat salary of seventy five thousand to write, star and direct, which is definitely a fucking bargain when you consider, yeah, he got sixty to just sell the script and like, you know, only making fifteen grand more its it

seems like a fucking and you're doing three jobs instead of two. Uh. Then for this picture, his upfront, his upfront, Now this is the thing too, These are all upfronts, these are not total. So his upfront for two was seventy five grand. His upfront for three was one hundred and twenty grand. Now, like I said, it doesn't seem like a lot of money, but he had apparently he had major back end points starting

with the first points. So he had he says he had ten net points for Rocky one and made He says he made like two point five million from the first film, nice after the fact, so now here is but there was a cash to all this, and he just disclosed this a couple of years ago. In an interview with Variety, Stallone shared that when he sold the original Rocky script, he was not given any ownership of the property. So despite all the money the franchise has made that he created, he has

been denied ownership. He actually, you know, he's in the interview, he says he blames himself because he was so young when he sold the original script. And so basically what that means is outside of the union, you know, required residuals that he receives from his services to the movie that he did, he doesn't get a dime on the other merchandising, no merchandising, you know. So you know, again, so I guess Vince took more than the idea of Hogan and mister t from this movie seriously set up the

national expansion. So and it's kind of it's and you know it's great too. So obviously he's made tons of money and and you know, there is a like there's an argument there. You know, you're you're still making I mean, you're you're you're doing okay off of the Rocky movies. You know, like you did all right. But you know, but at the same time, it is his, like he fucking created it. There wouldn't be this franchise without him. And people in the business think he's a bitch because

he still gets tons of money. But it's like there are people making way more money off of his product. And again, keep in mind, it's not even that he just created it, but he wrote all the movies, he directed half the they directed more than half the movies. It's a lot of and he started in all of them, you know, like and and and you know already you know, it sounds like a Verne Gagna came along convinced him that right. Seriously, he was only worth ten percent. Seriously.

You know, it's like the disagreement Hogan has with vern over the merchandise exactly totally is yeah, and he blames you know, he also had people like yeah, he just had people who were like this not done. It's not done. But he's like, I should have done it. You know, he was young, stupid, and you know, as far as stallone. Life definitely imitated art in the case of him, because after Rocky five bombed, he went on a crazy losing streak that cost him his entire career

for fifteen years. His whole team of agents and managers, they couldn't find him any kind of work or like real work. After a while, he did try, you know, he made a bunch of crappy comedies in the early nineties. Stop or My Mom Will Shoot one of them, Oscar, not the award, but the crappy movie where he's a mob boss and his daughter's getting married. Uh bombed Daylight. Do you remember Daylight? That's why I remember Stopping my Mom Will Shoot. But yeah, I don't think I

remember Daylight. Yeah, Daylight was this one actually kind of I want to see it at the time when it came out, which was you know, it was during the the mid mid to late nineties disaster movie craze that went on with all like the Volcano movies and whatnot. This one was a flood a New York City tunnel gets flooded, and then Copland, which is so fucking awful. God, Hey, I hate Copland. It's like I remember

it was. It was heavily promoted. It was like, oh, you know, it's stallow and he's gonna, he's gonna, you know, it's like he's acting again, and he's like he had gained a bunch of weight to play this this this fucking cop and it's this stupid movie. And you know, after a while, you know, he after all this shit failed

and he just went through this miserable rut. He came up with the idea for Rocky six, which would eventually become Rocky Balboa, but no one wanted touch the franchise anymore, and the even Stallone admits that it was it was a risk. The guy who was head of MGM at the time, he told Stallone that making a six installment would make them the laughing stock of the

entertainment business. But in the end, in a nice little bit of symbolism, the sons of the producers of Winkler, Winkler and chart Off produced Rocky Balboa, and as we all know, it was a huge success and rejuvenated Stallone's career, and he's from then made a bunch of hits, the Expendables franchise and two more Rambo installments, the Rocky spinoffs, Creed and Cream two. So some you know, he's he's he's made his way back. He owes the beginning of his career to Rocky, and he owes the rebirth of

his career to Rocky. That's right, Yeah, that's right. And so again a lot of symbolism there too, you know, like a lot of a lot of I'm sure catharsis going on. In twenty twelve, Men's Journal reposted something that Stallone did to recognize Rocky three the anniversary of Rocky three. They wrote, even though he filmed it over thirty years ago, so us Slone still feels pain from Rocky three. Well, at least he remembers it

well. The legendary actor and star of the Expendables series took to Instagram to account his experience working with Hulk Hogan, who played wrestling champion Thunderlips in the film. The famous wrestler was absolutely shredded at the time with a six seven, two and ninety five pound physique, ninety five now and twenty four inch biceps, so it was not too surprise, not for a surprise that Hogan

wreaked some major havoc on the set, especially for the stunt men. So here's stallone on Hogan, another flashback and another reason why it's not such a great idea to always do your own stunts. I met Terry Blaya aka Thunderlips aka Hulk Hogan in the very early eighties when I was directing Rocky three. At six feet seven and two hundred ninety five pounds with twenty four inch biceps,

he was an amazing athlete, incredibly powerful. I remember a violent move where he threw me into the corner, charged across the ring like an enraged bull, and leaped so amazingly high above me that his shin bone actually came down like a giant tree on my collar bone. I tumbled to the floor. I was afraid to look at my shoulder for about ten minutes. I said, don't roll me over, don't move me, because I was sure

there was bone protruding through my upper chest. Of course there wasn't, but I have never felt such a mind numbing pain from a massive hit before or since. That day. Hulk just didn't know his own strength, believe it or not. When he jumped into the audience to fight with the stunt men. Three of them had to be treated at the hospital great guy, great friend. His presence made the film very very special. Hulk, if you're reading this, it was a privilege to be mangled by such a gentleman.

Wow. And then on Tea he posted again about mister t flying high now so sorry to be back to go back in time. But I've never seen this one either, and it was a photo photo that that I just thought i'd share. This was from one of the one of the fights during the opening montage and Rocky three where we were first introduced to the song I Have a Tiger. This was a real fighter who was paid to No. I guess it wasn't about I don't know why they said it was about Tea but

whatever, not about t I want to make it really realistic. But but I feel pretty I've actually felt bad afterwards. So speaking of Iya the Tiger, we've mentioned it several times, been referenced by mister Stalone himself. Originally Stallone wanted to use another one Bite to the Dust from Queen as the fight for Rocky three. Wow. Yeah, which you know, I don't. I love Queen. I love another one by the Dust, but I do not think that that would have the same impact. And thank goodness that they

wouldn't give him the rights. So he approached the band Survivor, and much in the way that Stallone recruited Hulk Hogan, he left a message for the band and they thought it was a joke, but they called him back and

found out that it was legit. Stallone answered the vote himself and they Stallone sent them the opening montage of the film to get them going, and then eventually a copy of the finished film that they had to return right away so they could write the song, and they watched when they were watching the movie, they they saw that scene where Apollo Creed says to rock that to Rocky that he's losing the eye of the tiger, and they're like, that's it.

That's the title right there, and Survivor was on Yeah, and they would go on to win a Grammy for the song Another One Bites the Dust. Actually, you know what, Wrestler actually briefly came to the ring of that music. Oh, who did junk Yard Dog? Yes, that's right, I didn't know that. Yep. So now, principal photography for the film began, as we talked about, May of nineteen eighty one, not nineteen seventy nine. It's the whole COVID. I believe you're wrong, brother,

Sorry, brother. So there's a pretty famous scene the first time we're really introduced, or the first time that Rocky and clubber Lang go face to face, is a scene where a statue was revealed of Rocky, made to

honor him at the famous steps in front of the Philadelphia Art Museum. However, there was there was some controversy surrounding this statue after the filming of the movie from the United Press International Rocky Balboa, star of the star character of the movie Rocky may have brought fame to the Philadelphia Art Museum, but the museum doesn't want a permanent memorial to the fictional boxer. Oh I thought you're gonna say he was actually a Confederate general. Great, but Rocky Balboa turns

out to be a Nazi. The movie. The movie actually is what it said. The movie featured Balbo played by So Let's just alone, jogging up the steps of the Art Museum and raising his arms in victory as he reached the top. Now, the makers of Rocky one and its sequel, Rocky two, are planning are planning to begin filming Rocky three next month, and part of the movie involves the use of a ten foot high sculpture of Rocky

Arms raised in victory Victory on the museum steps. Sculptor Tom Ready Schomberg, Oh my God, said the Art Commission has allowed the film crew to place his statue on the steps for the dration to the filming, but they don't want it left there as a gift to the museum. Afterwards, the commission turned down the gift. Yeah, Sloan was going to give it as a gift. The Commission turned down the gift, saying that the work might be

better suited for another location in the city's park system. Some reports said that the commission considered the piece a commercial work immortalizing actor producer Stallone, rather than a work of art. I think it's a little embarrassing, said Schomberg, thirty seven, a native of Sioux Siu City, Iowa, on a recent visit to the city. I went home and the museum would judge my work

as a piece of art and not as an actor's effigy. And the later on the Associated Press added that the museum suggested it should stand at Philadelphia's Spectrum Sports Arena. Stallone reportedly became angry when he read about the brew. Haha. He didn't mean for the statue to be crammed down anyone's throat, said a named source quoted by The Bulletin Wednesday. Whether it's whether it stays or not doesn't matter to him. You saw it go a you know, go

blow out of proportion. Salon said it a news at conference Tuesday. You know basically was a prop built. No no, uh, basically it was a prop built for the movies. You know, we already made plans to take it back to California and put it up there. City representative Richard Durand said he was surprised at the actor planning and repossessed the statue. If they would reconsider it, we would be delighted to have it. And this little

war waged throughout the entire summer after the movie. Wait yeah, after the movie was shot, and in September of eighty one, the United Press road it's a statue, but is it art? The statue in crash question is one of SILVESTERI Salone's Rocky as Rocky three, Rocky the Third, not Rocky Junior, No Rocky Senior. Rocky here huh getting my postmodernism. Yeah. The actor unveiled his likeness to May on the steps of the Philadelphia Museum of Art, the same steps he ran up in Triumph. At the end of

the movie Rocky. The city's Art commission said it couldn't stay on the steps, so Stalone took it home to Hollywood. Now, city Councilman James tay Yune says, unless the Art Commission changed its arbitrary and capricious vert is a capricious cp capri SIUs capricious, capricious verdict. He'll propose and ordinance the city except the statue saloon, wrote tay Youune guaranteed the return of the statue free

of freight charges. Is the commission art Commission reconsiders its previous decision. Art museum officials had no comment, so I think. In seventy two, the American architect Robert Venturi formulated the postmodern creed when he said Disney World is nearer to what people want than what architects have ever given them. Disneyland is the symbolic American utopia. Correct. Venturi says we should learn from Las Vegas from

local street architecture, which grows up organically and unplanned. It's what people really like. In place of utilateral glass boxes, Pomo architecture offers the vernacular, an emphasis on the local and particular, as opposed to modernist universalism. This means a return to ornament with references to the historic past and its symbolism, but in the ironic manner of parody, pastiche and quotation. Definitely, that's the Rocky statue. To me, pastiche is without a doubt, it is

pomo in a box. That's what it is. Love it. Venturi says it's art, and Venturi is right. Pomo is always right correct. That's postmodern right there, that's right, be right as postmodern. So a random citizen started, actually started a petition to return the statue, believe it or not, and indeed, finally it was returned to the steps of the museum

for two weeks to celebrate the premiere of Rocky three. Then it did move to the Spectrum for a number of years before moving to its fine to then moving it for at the Spectrum for a number of years before moving to its final resting place, the Philadelphia City Dump. Kiddy kidding, I'm totally yeah. It actually rests at the foot of the Rocky steps, So instead of at the top where it is in the movie, it's at the bottom,

got it. And besides Philadelphia, they did shoot in other areas of the country New York, Nevada, Los Angeles before wrapping in August of eighty one. Now, for as I mentioned before, for promoting the film, despite t being the antagonist of the film, Hogan steals the spotlight. No surprise there. And like I said before, they had this this same fucking picture that that that initial face off, a promo, a promotional still of that

Hogan stallone face off, and uh, all all over newspapers. It was actually kind of annoying because every time that I'm looking, I'm thinking that it's going to be a story, and it's just the same fucking thing, the same fucking thing. And it usually had a caption like like this Anywhere he

wants is the answer to the question where does Thunderlips sleep? So Lester Saloon looks up with a huge hulk of a man whose real name is hul Cogan, but to share a scene in the film Rocky three, which is due for release shortly, and it's like, where's tea where the fuck is Tea not amazing? Yep, Like the main focus is Hogan and Stallone, And uh, I'm thinking, mister T made Hulk Cogan famous. It seems to

be the opposite. Yeah, in a weird way. It kind of is like it's like it's it's kind of like it's kind of like Batman, you know, like you made me, but I made you for first, you know, from that line and then you know, and and and then in the movie. But uh yeah, so uh pretty fucking crazy and uh you know, I actually did you know, I did hear that Hogan? You know, brother, you know he doesn't lose in in the movie. He doesn't, Josh. I was just thinking, dude, Yeah, okay,

what are you thinking? Man? Well, you know, brother, I'm thinking, dude, I'm thinking maybe you know I listen, you're the screenwriter. Brother. I don't want to up anyone chose dude. What I'm thinking Brother, instead of you winning, And I think that a better idea, Brother, would be for me to beat you. Dude. What do you think of that? Brother? Well, you know, I don't know. You know the you know, the movie is really about Rocky and Club Lane.

You know that I don't know if we can do you know, if I beat you, if you beat me, and then what is that? You know, where do we leave from there? You know? All my fight you again? You know what what you know what we what are we going to do with that? When I get my well, dude, I'm goes on thinking, brother, just bear with me, dude. What if

brother? You know, I'm just saying that this could be kind of we can kind of creating a whole like kind of branching out with the franchise, dude, And what if brother, I beat you, dude, and then I win the boxing championship, brother by beating you in the wrestling match. Dude. Well you know yeah, well you know, I I see you know, I see where you're going with that. By the movie is called Rocky, It's not called Thunderlips. You know, you know you know what

I mean, Brother, I know that, dude. But well again, what I'm thinking is change the movie, dude, Thunderlips underneath that Rocky three. See what I'm saying, their brother, So it's got both, dude. And then I go and I beat Clever Lang brother twice, so you have that. You keep the whole script the same, brother, But I said to you, losing dude. I beat him the first time, brother,

because there's no way he's gonna beat me, dude. And then I beat him again, brother, and then we build the rematch, dude, the rema between Rocky and Thunderlips. Brother, that would be maybe, you know, maybe like you could do maybe like Rocky seven. Brother. You know, did you have these other movies that are focused on Thunderlips Dude to build the rematch? Brother? Well you know, yeah, I get that, Holt, but you know that's not the way the movies. You know,

movies work. You kind of want to wrap it up, you know, and things. Brother, I know, dude, listen to understand long term thinking. Brother. You know, I'm in the wrestling business. Dude. Yeah, I know, I know. But you know this isn't this is a movie you know, not doing you know, you know, Brother, Listen, Dude, I'm telling you, dude, this is the way it's going to be. Brother. We can do this. Yeah, okay, all right, yeah brother, that's how it happened. Well, you

know there was discussions that way. Again, he does not lose door. A door was closed. The the guy that managed Hogan at the beginning of the w A I'm remembering now Johnny Valiant and then they yes, so he was a heel and but he was still getting baby face reactions at the studio tapings. I'm seeing here in the wrestling classes. He is a he is

a Hall of Famer. H There we go. So, as I mentioned before, there was a there was this behind the scenes featurette that uh I presume air on television and they had this uh major focus on Hogan and so here I'm gonna play some uh oh what is that? Yeah, I'm gonna play this bit here. There is a new addition to the team of actors for Rocky three and Thunder, played by world champion wrestler Hogan. I'll get something else. He's for real. He's a ferocious, bugging individual. Here's

the strongest individual I've ever seen. I never caught like a dark Just watch sick, tough individual. Tough tough Sea is the culmination of every bad practical joke that ever lived. Calls the culmination of every bad practical joke that ever ever lived. Well, I mean all the things to say about him. You say he's for real's no way, man, he's for fake. Here I'm going to show you. Uh, I'm going to share my screen with you. Sorry, everybody else who can't be shared with? How did I

do this before? I did this last time? No, not add files? How do I hold on? Here we go, share a screen and yeah, can you see my screen? Can you see me? You got this? Yes? All right? Here we go And then this is up brings out bringing down the ball in sy I don't need that fucking music. Sorry, And you got this. This is complexing slide. This is this is behind the scenes stuff slides in this yellow out for there's fucking burgess.

Meredith there and m they're they're doing all these movies. See Hogan coming down like, yeah, it's great stuff. Yeah, pretty cool. And the camera lens behind the lens. I didn't know they were doing these behind the scenes featurette, so I thought that was like a DVD era innovation. They were definitely new. They were definitely new. But you can see Hogan here. Uh, it's actually footed from the film. Now. Yeah, I was gonna say this looks rather polished. But you saw Hogan practicing with a

T shirt on and an empty arena. That was pretty cool and watching them practice. But look at the sides of him. Look at Hogan, He's huge. Well, like the money shot is slies, like eyebrows being at Hogan's chest, exactly massive. It's the height Hogan. You know, he's obviously massive, but he's deceptively tall. The real thing that is it, That is a real thing. So yeah, there's the making of very cool. Thanks for that and stop sharing. Uh. And then also another interview

where mister stallone does talk about mister thunder Lips. He becomes so you might say public oriented, a big charity worker. You might say Bob Hope wearing boxing gloves. He is that kindly. He is a big charity worker. He wrestles. He fights a giant wrestler, a seventh foot man named Haul Cogan, who is an extraordinary creature who we fight in the ring. And it's just for charity. And what turns out, what started out as a

match to raise money for children turns into a war. I mean everything's he's backfiring on him, he's losing control of it. Very cool. Yeah, And then you know, but mister T did get to shine. And also also I want to say this, mister T got a lot of great press from it because he everyone thought that he was one of the best parts of the movie because of his Yeah, I know exactly, And so he did get to the shine on Letterman promoting the film, and what a fucking interview.

Why yeah, fucking I'm gonna give you a couple of brief clips. But it is worth it is worth finding it and watching it because t. I don't know if this is mister T or if he is fucking working David Letterman, because it is on I think I know which one. Yeah, yeah, it is fucking Monney. Here we go. You were so frightening in that motion picture. And have you acted before or was that just you we were watching there? Well, the character calls to be hungry, and

I've been hungry all my life, so one of the problem. That's why what he's combat boots, because it's symbolic of my struggle. I'm born in the ghetto and raised on welfare. So that's what sort of the character was about. How the people mistake him for being mean and hateful. He don't hate, He's just hunger. He'd been pushed aside so long. Here he's the number one challenging untill he don't get a shot at the title. So that makes a guy mad TCB. I believe in taking care of business.

I came here to do the show. Mister T does not light some weight for nothing. Yeah nobody, Well, let me just apologize for any inconvenience, and we're glad that you didn't. Again, did you hate till you got two more? It's okay. It's okay because he's paying me for it, So it's all right. That's right. Your name? First of all, is that your real name? Or if Pope John Paul the second was

coming with yes, him, what's his real name? Was? Well, uh, but you have to it's an interesting name, mister T. Right, Well, I changed it because I wasn't given respect before. You know, people have a tendency always constantly call a man boy for what reason. I don't know why, you know, So I changed my name and mister T so the first word out of everybody in mouth we missed a sign of respect. Do you have a first name? My first name is mister,

My middle name is that period, my last name is. Who are some of the people that you are currently guarding? Well for your most recent client? You know, yes I do. Oh, but how did you get the job? I mean, there's plenty of hungry folks here. But yeah, well you got to you know, when it was being telligent, see what do you see? I knew I could act a long time ago, when I was in first grade. My teacher he's always telling me, I don't you stop acting the food, stop acting the cloud. I knew how

to act the who would act the clown. I haven't acted anything, you know what I mean? And I've been acting all my life. Is just that now people begin to pay me for it. And you all right, so they've been paying mister I love it. That's great. You know, he certainly continues to get paid to act like a clown. You're damn right. Sway, a couple more years a ballt, you'll get it. He'll be a real fucking Carni worker. My question is he had a name before

mister T. Yes, and they called him boy? Yes? Now can't they still call him boy even though he changed his names? It is kind of funny, like yeah, like if they you know, boy, they didn't call you boy, Lawrence to row, you know, it implies that his first name used to be boy, right, I don't think I don't think he fixed it. I don't fix some problem there. But nonetheless I get what he was going for absolutely, as do I. But now,

yeah, that is tremendous. You can see how somebody with that kind of that kind of quick wit on television in the mid early eighties, Like, oh fuck, yeah, that's just different. Yes, you know, like yes, like also not afraid to be himself, like with his in you know, his intense look and his hair cutt and everything to be on Letterman back then, Oh man, it was so much easier to get over. It was harder to get the chance to get over. Yeah, but god damn it, when you had a shot, you had a show, Yeah,

like you know, you could get over in one night. But let's let's also remember that Letterman is on the twelve thirty slot, all right, he's on the later slot. Bulch, Stallone and Hogan were on the earlier slot, the Tonight Show with the bigger host Johnny Carson. Film. Wow, I'm just gonna come out and say it, but that sounds like some

systemic racism going on. You got tea going on. T he also not being the focus of the fucking yeah the photo, you know, like there's some shit going on here, Like I don't know, but nonetheless it happened, and you know, T certainly held his own and he came out better for it. But stallone, like we talked about before, they wanted to hire real boxers, and he get a chance to talk about it on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, got one. Yes, you're right, yes,

oh yes, yes, I'm doing it. No'm I gonna go at the beginning. So this time, wouldn't it be interesting to take a real fighter and bring him into the film because I need a new opponent at the end, and just teach him how to act a little a little bit. That'll say a lot of time. So the first one is Ernie Shavers, now Ernie Shavers as I don't know, fifty nine fights, about fifty six knockouts. Well, I got into the ring with him, and after a while you begin to believe, you know, I'm pretty hot. Yeah,

oh yeah, I'm hot. Okay. He hit me on the old bow and knocked my window. Hit me here, you've got a concussion. Then he got me in the corner. He looked at me and there was a certain voracious hunger, like I was a tea bone steak and he has all been marooned on an island for years. And he proceeds like seventeen body punches and I and I said, do I what is that screeching in the background as the producer saying save my boy? There he goes he's a professional.

But he was great. He was great, and I thought he really hit, really good. So I said, maybe I'll go to someone a little easier. Joe Fraser. True, We're in the ring and we're boxing. All of a sudden, I feel something warm. This just can't be nerves. What is it? And I look up and I said, either I'm bleeding or someone who's just dumped marmalade on my head. It was all red and what it was was just a quick little butt. There was accidental and I said, here, I am one man dead. I'm bleeding. We

haven't even got the We haven't got haven't passed the audition yet. Three and a half or four minutes. And it really is funny. It really is direct. It's easy for you, easy for me. We had to get that guy on the show, what's his name? Well have seen cold? Yeah, he's a very good shape. And then this comes out and it's like he's on his dimensions live or not. He his arms are twenty four inches around, might die twenty one, okay. His chest is sixty two

around the shoulders, it's close to seventy inches around. That's a large that's a large piction. I mean it's large eyes. His neck is twenty three and he eats five ten Italian. He sure dies with me. That person in this picture really really caught one. Yes, you're right, yes, oh yes. Uh usually was my fault the hulk here. The only time he hurt me is when I when he would there's a lot of falls that

go on. I'd leave my arm out and I'd forget and he'd land on it, and then I'd bring it back and it would be a postage stand a big pancake. That's awesome. It's so funny that he said, you know, I'm gonna go look for some real fighters and make them actors. Right. He ends up with yeah, right, right, ends up with how you do the cut of the opposite. But you kind of got actors and taught him to be fighters the sad previously. So I guess there was

a two. There was a thing. So uh was Ernie Shavers when he was doing it? I guess he his his voice was too high, Okay, is Ernie Shavers? I don't know Ernie Shavers at all. I mean I know him probab about his voice something like that. I think his voice was too high. And then Frasier just couldn't fucking memorize shit. You couldn't remember anything, I believe, So they just didn't They didn't work well. And so then he comes in and fucking has it all and he's not even

a real fighter, much like Hulk Hogan. So somebody said marmalade too, huh, Like what who the fuck is marmalade? I know, right, Jesus Christ? So is the last time you heard that one? Some guy grew up in a mom's kitchen. That's like, could you go to the fucking corner store? Can you go down in a store and get me a jar of marmalade? But again to your ply, he could have used anything. He could have used you know, warm rain or something. No food,

yeah, fucking piss whatever. Tomato sauce would have been better. Well yeah, well that would have food too. But it's all about food, and it's that simple, it really is. Fucking you know, Ernie Shavers thought he was a steak, so hulk Hogan eats small Italian men, so small Italian sub large Italian subs. Actually small Italian men, large Italian subs, very different. It's so fucking stupid. It's just like I thinks we're in Jersey Mics, you know, like these run of the mill like Italians

with the season on the stupid go ahead. Sorry, right, so you know we did we we actually covered this Hogan in the Carson Show. Uh but before we get he did. He does talk a little bit about it in the Hollywood Hogan book. Yeah, Sylvester Stallone was going around promoting Rocky three, and of course he wound up on the Tonight Show. In those days, Johnny Carson was the host of the Tonight Show and he asked about the wrestling the movie. He's grit, He's great, Carson said, who

is he? Sloane wanted to talk about how many hours it took to film Rocky three and how good all the boxing swingen scenes were, but Carson kept backing about the wrestler. True he didn't, but you know, I mean he did, but you know not. It seemed like he wanted to talk about Hogan more than slide did Yeah, I guess, but I think he was fine with it. But he probably asked like three or four times.

It was pretty funny. And after that, when Stallone went on on the Today Show and the other talk shows to promote Rocky three, he didn't bring up the subject of Thunderlips the wrestler. He didn't want me to overshadow the rest of the movie. Meanwhile, Johnny Carson called up the firm that was hired to promote the movie and asked them about Thunderlips. He drove them so crazy they finally hunted me down and put me in touch with the Tonight Show.

Before I knew it, I was sitting backstage in the green room getting ready to go on with Johnny Carson. I was wearing a black silk tank top. Nope, it was red, which was good because you couldn't see the bands of sweat under my pecks red red shirt. Pal, I was why lie, like I can see misremembering the color shirt you had on if

asked? But why volunteer? Right? A fague detail. Not only that I don't understand, not only say black, but talking about the sweats under your tits, like right, talk about the reason you remember it was black when it wasn't black, right, what's he hide in there? I mean, I don't think he was even I didn't notice the sweat when I wanted. I was real nervous. I think it's it's either red or blue. I don't remember, but it's definitely not black, that's for sure. But

Carson, I was real nervous. But Carson came backstage and was really funny. I guess he was trying to loosen me up because he wanted a good performance from me, and he got one. He said, hey, man, when you're home, what do you do in your spare time? I said, I, you know, a Golu voice. Brother. Then he nails and spit lightning and crap thunder or something like that. I don't remember that at all. But Carson was at the top of his game. He

treated me with a lot of respect. He made me feel comfortable out there. And it's funny. You can see Hogan's nervous. I don't know if you remember that from h but he's got his hands classed together almost the entire interview, like rubbing them together, like like very very not Hulk Hogan. You know, it's so interesting to see him do that. I was his first guest that night. After I was done, he asked me to move over and sit on the couch. That's always a good thing. Then Brooke

Shields came out. She was about fifteen, a very pretty lady, very friendly. Actually, I would end up working with Brookshields twenty years later when she had a sitcom called Suddenly Susan. But of course I didn't know that when we were sitting there that day on the Tonight Show, when we were done taping, Johnny Carson wanted to pose for a picture with his head on top of my muscle. Brook Shields was hanging and kidding with us, and

all of a sudden, her mother showed up. Talk about overprotective. She didn't let brook get anywhere near me the rest of the time we were there, because he she knows you're a pervert, right And Linda's gonna prove that in about twenty fucking years. And I don't blame her, because I had a fr I would have fucked her. Dude, brookshoe hatter hand on my cock, brother, just saying you know, I'm you know, fifteen, brother, You know I don't know, dude, is that illegal? I

don't know. I'm not I'm not I'm not a lawyer. I'm just a perpetrator. That was the old Chris Rock routine about how like, you know, when I went out to dinner with my wife and one of her friends, and when my wife got up to go to the bathroom, you know, my wife insisted that her girlfriend come with her to the bathroom and he goes. And I don't blame her because I had a fucked her. I had a fucked her on a fucking casity. I don't get a ship.

That is awesome, That is great. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Soros, The Last and Wrestling Podcast. Yeah, that's the key, that's the d That's what makes you a comic artist. You picture your picture her sitting on a fucking cassode, because it puts you at a totally like you realize there at a chain restaurant, you know, and they're kind of like you know what I mean, right, they're all like a fucking Fridays or an Applebee's, run of the mill people. It's not like

some kind of you know, tryst of celebrities. It's like they're they're at a fucking Fridays and he's gonna great fun. You're of course, uh, like I said, Hogan, one we vent we we visited before during the prep for the trial of his life. But here are a few moments. I don't know if we focus on because it's more about Rocky, but here's here we go. You know, when you talk about wrestling, Johnny turns

me into a stark, raving maniac. You know, that's a very hard time comproying myself with Sylvester Stone because it would have been so easy just to Yeah, of course, are most of the bouts fixed? Or is that a bad question? Right question? Bad question? Is a bad question. I wish they were fixed, because then it would be a lot easier. As you noticed the teeth marks around my fingers. Yes, you're right right here. If it was fixed to be much easier, and probably everybody in

there would be in it. But what professional wrestling is the cream and the crop. It's mostly the wrestlers that come from the Olympics and very amateur wrestlers that make the grade and they get into professional wrestling. And right now I wrestle main events all across the country. And if it was fixed, it'd be very much, very easier for me. But right now it's like a fight for your life every time you step in there. It really isn't dangerous

definitely, Why wise is one? I want you Occasionally why a wrestler will throw the other one against the ropes and then stand in the middle of the ring. The other one goes clear across here, we got off the ropes and comes back and does not move out of the way, and he knocks him down. I mean, what does that seems? Does that seems strange to you? I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that I haven't.

I haven't noticed the instance you're talking about. Usually when I throw somebody in the ropes, that's I have something in mind that will kind of like destroy them. They put them out for a little while when they do come off the ropes. But the thing is, you know, so many people talk about professional wrestling, and I just wish I could take everybody here and spend fifteen or twenty seconds with you, and I could make believers out of everybody

here. I think that's probably a fair assumption. But the thing is, you know, professional wrestling draws more money than any any major professional sports simply because we have no off season. We work all year round. Yes, I just came back and I'll be heading out in a few days. But in Japan more from the movie Rocky three, Well, they started public sizing the movie about a year ago over there, and it's helped a little bit, you know, as far as them knowing me, as far as the

movie goes. But wrestling in baseball are like their number one sports in Japan, and they treat you if you're a wrestler, they treat you just like you're a movie star. Anyway. Yeah, it's true. So even then, even in eighty two, he's got his fight. No, No, one's promoting a movie a year before it comes out. I don't care where you are. No, it's promoting a movie while it's shooting before it shot. Oh god, essentially. But here's another one with Hogan on Carson.

How did this come up? On? To do? This is still don't just calling up or see someone. Well, I was wrestling in Madison Square Garden and I got a note from the promoter to call Sylvester Stallone for a major part in a Rocke movie. Right, I just took it and threw it away. Figured it was a joke from the other wrestlers. So I was gone for about eight weeks. When I came back, there was a surgent telegram please call mister Stallone immediately. So I called him and uh,

it was real. You know, Yeah, do you enjoy making a picture? It? You can do some more, I hope. So you're kind of limited in the rules in a way. Then again maybe not? Maybe not. No, I would like to get back on subing through wrestling just

for a minute. There's such a there's such a tremendous following, you know, like I travel all over the world and all over the country, and there's so many amateur programs and young people getting into the thing that I hate to see people knock it or degraded if they really don't know what they're talking about right there, And it's always been one of my favorite sports. How good is Carson? Great brought up for We're gonna miss an Olympic every Friday

night in the front row. He's fucking awesome. Man. You're gonna tell me that we live in a superior time to that, give me a never never, not where, not where A scared Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson can can can go from calling wrestling asking wrestling's fixed, to being to being horrified so much that he, I mean, how artfully does he handle that?

He gives Hogan and out, you know what I mean, But he still asks the question, but he does it in a way that like is awesome, so inoffensive, and he still makes you love him by the end even though he's asking that question. Yep, just great. So another minor little promotional tie in. Did you know that there was a Rocky three Thunderlips toy ring that was created for kids googling begin there was a so the the whole Cogan Collection channel believe it or not, on YouTube. That's the thing is

episode on it. Here's a here's a clip from from that. This is a nineteen eighty three Rocky three All Cogan Thunderlips ring. Wow, there's not a whole lot of these fuss. The boxes is in a condition. You know, as a collector, you know, there's you got to be a bit of a snob. You know, you're dealing with a you know, really commodity in general. But that uh and uh, you know, i'd probably give like a sixty or seventy to the condition. But the rarity of

this item actually just overrides everything. This is worth several hundreds of dollars worth, child and it's it's a very rare ring. If you know somebody that has one of these, please just try to get it. Don't a little ball them, be a little honest, but try to get a good deal. Well you see it, Yeah, I see it. Fucking obsessed. I kind of remember this the figure. I see packaging that's separate. Hul

Cogan has Thunderlips. It looked like a series of Rocky Action figures. I feel like that's kind of one of the first wrestling action figures in the country. Is Hogan's Thunderlips figure? Makes sense? Yeah? Yeah, I know I don't remember at all, But does it? If I'm not mistaken, the figure kind of looks like a like an LGN, right it does. Yeah, well, it looks more like a REMCO. Okay, it's got kind of like those those plastic arms that go up and down. It looks

like a solid and uh and yeah. And then they came out with Rocky Action figures years later, with the much more detailed Thunderlips that looks tremendous. Really, Yeah, with the Cape and the detailed happy the red feather. Yeah, very cool. Obsessed. Obsessed doesn't begin to cover it. There's the packaging, the box of that ring, the idea that you could go into like any old toy store around the release Rocky three. Hey, that's Wrestler from Rocky before he was Hulk Cogan. These were, these were,

if I'm not mistaken, the newer ones. Those are those are the w toys. Yeah, Jack's right, Yeah, that original one. The holy shit, my god, I think it came. I think it came a smidge after because the first Hogan figure I think is the the bendable Japanese figure, the first ever Cogan figure. So but I think this one came out around that time or shortly thereafter. It's unreal obsessed, yep, one hundred percent, one hundred percent obsessed. So it's all happened, everything's done,

the movie's been promoted, where edited, we're in the canes. It is now time to premiere the movie, and indeed it did. It opened May twenty eighth, nineteen eighty two, and of course it was a huge hit, Like I said, raked in two hundred and seventy million dollars at the box office on a budget of approximately seventeen million, So I would say it's a pretty solid return, don't you ask me. As for reviews, it does fairly well as sequels go. I think right now, I forget where

I'm on rotten tomatoes. I think it's got like a sixty percent, which you know sequels in the eighties, It's not bad. Usually there were just the worst. Definitely much more of a hit than with audiences than with critics who feel that Rocky may have worn out. As welcome a little bit from the New York Times, first Rocky, then Rocky two, and now Rocky three. Why you might query, poor qua Pa, Miss Piggy might rejoin It's money don's le bank. Miss Peggy of course would be right down.

You just calm down, please, writer, take them show pill. This is the New York Times. There's no chill pill in New York Times. Miss Piggy does not come idly to mind. In connection with Silvester Stalone's Rocky three, which opens today at the Cinerama and other theaters, mister Stallone, the star of Rocky three, as well as its writer and director, is hard put to find problems with which to freight his gold mine of a character. Now that Rocky has everything. In the first quarter of the picture,

he seems to be vamping for time, which he does rather amusingly. There's a sequence in which Pauli, Rocky's brother in law, is shown expressing his jealousy and hurt feelings at Rocky's fame. There's also a comic sequence in which Rocky, on behalf of Charity, fights a match with a wrestler known as Thunderlips, who is described as the ultimate mountain of desire. Eventually, Rocky

three gets down to its main business. This is a grudge five in which Rocky must defend his title against a loud mouthed, angry new contender, club Er Lang, played with a good deal of humor by an actor called mister t, a fellow who does a great impersonation of Muhammad Ali. Does he? Rocky three does end on an alarming note. There may well be a Rocky four. The Canada Globe and Maine respondent, does anyone Carol, Huh, Globe and Mail? I think mail Yeah, mail whatever, Sure,

Globe and Mail. Does anyone care what happens to Cinderella after she sets up housekeeping with the Prince So if that's just alone creator of boxer Rocky Balboa, that Lump and Cinderella in Sweatpants does. And what's Stallone, writer and director of Rocky three, has discovered is this The castle is no different than the cottage every morning. It's the same damn thing. Have the Tutsi's grown too corny for the glass, slipper? Has the head grown too large for the

crown? The answer, finally is yes. Rocky three, unlike its twin predecessors, is a charmlessly manipulative movie. The magic is caput. And finally, from the Miami Herald, the good news about Rocky three is there is probably room for more Rockies. Someone's actually excited about this. Stallone, who wrote the first and took over as director on the dismal sequel, has found his legs as a filmmaker and a measure of restraint as an actor. Rocky

three could have been, probably should have been dreadful. Instead, he's a sweet, if predictable reminder of the qualities that made the original so popular. Well look at that. Rocky is rich, but clubb Lange is hungry. So much hunger going on here. Clubber is training the way Rocky used to desperately violently alone. He's big, he's black, Okay, okay. In there he has a strange haircut and lunatic's eyes. This is awful. He is played by a man named mister t who in real life used to be

Ali's bodyguard. Uh oh, it's a classic setup and Stallone doesn't waste it. The rest of the film has few surprises, but Stallone was never concerned with finesse. That's like, that's like saying John Cena is only you know he's right, he's high. He's a high impact wrestler. Uh. He directs the way the Green Bay Packers used to play. No tricks, just execution, and that is that. Oh, boss, you did it.

It's all there, Rocky fucking three, all the stones I would have liked to have turned over in consideration of Rocky three and more brought to that ass on under the cinemat for your executive producer to your play. Not a joke, folks. Twenty twenty one is strong. Yeah, we're setting high bars and smashing holes. He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Sorrow. It's the Lapsed fan Wrestling Podcast. Start the projector and three two one

play m h there's the screaming metro goldlan Meyer, Lion or somebody. I think a lion starts when Hogan shows up and the Lion of the bathroom. Oh man, that's this sound is putting me in a particular ease mood. You'd added artists, right, MGM U a other is the one and the same, Yeah, more or less? And there. MGM is such a fucking cluster. Fuck now, it's all over the place. MGM in there bullshit and they're bullshit like that. So many different so many different studios own

have licensing to the to the fucking MGM franchise. Wow, look at the Ring Magazine World Championship with the red, white and blue tasseling or whatever on the sides. The bun tang almost weird, like the fucking frills, like it's a seventies uh yep tuxedo. Yeah, I don't know. So what the Ring Magazine they decided they were. They're like the pre eminent rankings body.

So it's like who they say is the number one contender is accepted by most of boxing I see as the top contender as we see Rocky just pummel Apollo Creed. I what I love about what's so funny about the Rocky movies is that if you you could actually just edit them together and make one fucking like the first five at least like an eight hour movie, because they always end, they always begin where the the last one left off, like literally

showing you clips. Yeah, exactly, and they're exactly yep. Look at his fucking face. Look at look at Rockies. Look at both of them. They're both beat the fuck up. What a business? You're right, jeez, I forgot that Rocky punched him so hard at the end of Rocky two that he too fell over. He had to answer the ten count and the ring fells got this good stuff. I mean sure that the end of the fights are always good, but like the movies are just rough. Man, I just can't do it. I try. I give it again.

This one's I like three. I probably like three because there are three fights in it, as opposed to a whole bunch of bullshit movie before. Then. You know, like, seriously, you want him coming home to you. He looks like he looks like the fucking the bosson Scrooge too, the Dick and Marley character. You know, look at those old timey champions on the on the belt. They got these old portraits from like nineteen twelve on them. There's Mickey with the hearing aids in and here comes I had the

Tiger Baby, the movie that made the song famous. Right, that's right. I mean, well this that was written for the written for the movie. Yep, I works. That's huge. I have the Tiger leaders just right. Not a small rookie Dean. Dean is even Helena Sell Helena. That's the lightning break. So we're singing Rocky Defender's title against mirrored opponents. Alight, idiot, not a fan? Huh? Bert Young, He's such a dick in these movies, is he dad? I think he's dead.

Yeah he was. H I think he just died. He came up as if he was in the news. He was. So we're seeing apparently at Radio City Music Hall and making a successful title defense. Weird. Now he's alive, he ain't dead. Whoa. There's Clever Lang watching on with a saucy look on his face as Rocky Jesus uppercuts that guy almost into the front row. Look at him, Look at him. Look at Clever Lang with those fucking a beast the feather ear rings. Yeah, we see the the

changing marquee at the airport and an airplane because he's traveling the world. Pretty young, Jesus Christ, everybody, let's looking like everyone's dad, Seriously, everyone's grandfather. Always look old pictures of Rocky like he's an effective montage where we're getting a lot across in like two minutes here, because I guess he was supposed to be champing for like three years or whatever. Yeah, and all because of Mickey, that fucker they keep I know, Micky, that

son of a bitch keeps zooming in on that menacing clubber lang. I mean, he's apparently traveling. He has the money, apparently to travel the whole world and find the Rockies every title defense. He's struggling. Here he is glistening and uh well, Bridges drink a sixth straight knockout according to that newspaper clipping great cap. Oh yeah, that's what you need. Like, look, in the eighties, it was about physique. Wrestling taught us that,

and the movies taught us that too. It's not like wrestling was unique, and it's why you fucking do a diet where it's right eaten. Part of an oatmeal cookie rice and two scoops of tuna, so you can look like you're a fucking beast when you're probably on the verge of dying. He does look unhealthy here, I think in this movie kind of face is so gaunt. Yeah, it's it's wackle. Does this add for Delore? And that's hilarious Maserati Printatti's on GQ. They do a good job with this. It

looks real. Yeah, Muppet Show is actually I guess it was his real Oh yeah, his real thing. But they re dubbed one of the muppets to say Rocky instead of Stallone or whatever the fuck. They said, Oh, that's fascinating. Yeah, yeah, because he did do he did do a spot on the Hey, you notice the fans mobbing Celester Stallone looks kind of like that, all those kids rushing Hogan. I didn't didn't know. We didn't we created that. We actually see what happened was I suggested Stallone?

I said, Stallone, what you should do is you should have some kids kind of hounding you and whatever. And who are you from? Vincent man, I don't know who you are. My dad said no to the movie. At first. My dad said no to things, and I don't say no to you. Oh Cluver Lang is barking. You tell them nobody could beat me. That is a Leah trying to channel Ali. Well, if you would know, fucking mister T would know he's in black and white for some reason, this movie sill take place in the sixties. Like I

think most people have color TVs by this point. You'd be surprised. My first TV I gotten like eighty eight, and it was black and white. I guess they're probably cheaper. You know, he can be a cheaper TV, right, not that full color ship, right. You know? Carl Weather's so we've got a Bert here is watching some news coverage of Balboa's upcoming match against wrestling champion thunder Lips. He's such a penny ass. He fucks it all. If I'm not mistaken, I think he fucks it all up

for Rocky. I think he's in in five. I think he he uh. I think he he dambles away all his money or something. Yeah, something like that. I don't know. Again, I don't care. He's just riding Rockies coattails here in the bar. He is the ultimate coat tailor bitch, total bitch when he starts to get mad that maybe Rocky doesn't appreciate all he's done for him. Yeah, that kind of guy, you know,

taking a drag off a stogy hard hats in the bar. So he's you know, Bert Young is still slumming it even though, Yeah, making it to fame and fort Pollie Paulie. Well, when when Rocky and Adrian are over in fucking Russia in Rocky for Paulie is fooled into signing a power of attorney over to Rocky's accountant, who then squanders all of his money on a real estate deal. Gone inside, that's right, Why don't you die?

Why are you dressed like the guy who managed the Fabulous Kangaroos? It's like salt Weiner golf over here, that fucking hat, Like, seriously, Rocky's giving you all this fucking money and you can't know what a pervert? Honestly he's going to touch kids here? Hey, why is everyone dressed up like wrestlers? Ever? Any more? I think it was canvas? See another cameo, another wrestling cameo on this movie? So many look at the hat is just perverted? Was he gonna get pissed off? That there's a

Rocky pinball machine. Now, yes he is. He's gonna throw shoot at it with his flask. What a bitch, he really is, his ungrateful prick. Also buy a new hat, like how's Rocky? For twenty bucks and you get a new hat? Dumb fuck you to throw the flask at the pinball machine. I would yep, I called it, Probably know it somewhere in the recesses of my memory, but yeah, I'm sure you know

what I mean that. I love that about movies. It's like you remember them, but you don't remember you remember them until the scene comes back, and you know what's funny. I don't know about you, but sometimes I've gone back and rewatched movies that I used to watch a lot as a kid. But man, I don't remember shit about him? Is that right? Yes? The one I the frequents I tend to recall. I used to watch the movie Short Circuit a lot as a kid, and I watched it

not long ago, and I didn't remember anything that happened. Nothing jogged my memory except for the main You know, the fucking robot looks like a Rockies bailed Paulie at a prison here wet hair, beautiful eighties hair. So that's just alone. Oh yeah, textbook eighties here with the tan suit yep, does he have those? Fucking I wonder if he's got those. I guess my more seventies, but it's kind of the end of the seventies. The

fucking elbow patches, the brown elbow patches that are like big again. I've seen a lot of suit coats with those on these days. Oh, what do you do for Paulie? What about Paulie? What about me? What about rave? About the club? About the club? Oh I used to know, so I just alone we step at the club. Is there a reason that uh salt Weiner GoF just threw his rolex on the ground in the

parking garage of the police station here. Why are you yelling at him like a slide go go go get the police and bring him back, like get him, put him back in prison. He's a fucking a man's gotta do something to keep one. It's a raving derrel like this guy. Man. Look at trim that trim the top coat is. Look at the gloves, very very snazzy. He's a fucking he's the most He's like an eighties Macy's catalog. Oh seriously, Like honestly, it's like a fucking It's like the

eighties fucking jerked off and how came. It's like the Gifts for Him section of the Sears Wish book. Hey, hey, what does that pin underneath his tie? Interesting? That's very weird. You talk like everybody knows you will live and he says, what's his character's name again? Paulie? Paulie. Of course, think Jersey Shore. I think Jersey Shore exactly. Think think Sopranos, Paulie walnuts there, there you go. He was in this. Actually, Bert Young was in the Sopranos. He had a small part.

He played What the fuck was he he was? Uh? Bobby Back is a dad I think in that if you Sopranos. Rockey just called on the jelly lazy lazy bum and Paulie's taking like, you want to fucking that's what you want to do. You want to definitely throw, you swing some, throw some fucking punches. You gassed already. You're not worth working loafers. Paulie is the fucking worst, Like, like, why, honestly, that is that, that is the epitome of self destruction. Is Pauli in

the yes, because he's that guy. He's that person that you the toxic individual who you just can't get rid of because deep down you don't think you're worth anything, so you keep him around. And he knows that about yes and off that exactly lives off of it, exactly knows what button to push at the right moment to stay attached to you. Yep, codependency, tons of problems. Fuck, it looks like that's what Rocky's about to do with. He's gonna take her. David Letterman asked him if this went down for

real too? The crows, the blows you took in the ring were real? Did you do your own stunts in that fucking sack as well? Slide? No, no, no, slid? Did she you know you took the blows? But did she blow you right? That is the question. That is the question. Is this supposed to endear me to Rocky that they're singing to each other here? Because it feels like my time is being wasted. I don't know about you. Yeah, can we get to the wrestling

match? Please? Do you get the thunder lips? I'm not talking about here? What about Adrian? Did she go on to any filmic success. Oh my god, it's fucking Connie Corleone. Ladies and gentlemen, She's uh, she'll be featured again. She's she's not going anywhere. I'll tell you that. On'm of the cinemat. She will be featured for a while. She's she's great, tell you she's awesome. Yeah, in the three Godfather movies. Here we go, yep up here. It is the battle

of the champions. The box are against the wrestler. Is this our announcer? Here is Dennis James. Ladies and gentlemen, Dennis James saw them in a moment they do get We get a shot of him. There he is right there on the road, looking dapper, with a carnation on his on his lapel, still in his rock yellow robe with the black trim Rock. There's Mick Rock. I got my fucking hand on my cock. All right, let's killing this ship. This guy weighs eighteen thousand pounds. He's a

fucking fake. We don't need to know this shit. I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna I'm gonna act like the penguin. Well see the mustache behind mister James. There stash On this comes. They think they think someone's carrying Hogan. No one carries Actually people need to carry Hogan. Actually okay,

yeah, ready Savage did look, I'm coming after you, Balboa. Think of a nation for the first time laying eyes on Hult Cogan and the big screen in nineteen eighty two across this country and just wait, and it's not even the moment yet. The moment is coming up. I mean, you see him, he's you know, you can tell he's big, but you don't know how big he is yet, right, And that championship belt was one created specifically for the film, selling replicas of it on the Hogan's Beat

Shop website for six hundred dollars. Right now it looks like the old NBA us title Yeah, or the TV title too. Thunder Lips is here. He's talking into a microphone hanging from the ceiling. The Male versus the Ultimate Meatball food again on that cast. I know there it is again. James What what's his name? Dennis James? Idiot? Is he in the Kenneth Kenneth Bronna's poiro and Order on the Owner Express? Jesus Christ, Look at how getting this pump on biceps biggest arms in the world. This is great.

Look at him before he was bald. Yeah, I know right, it's look at hair of that's going fast. He can see the one the only didn't Salon induct Hogan into the Hall of Fame. Yes he did, Yes, he did. Absolutely, there's like a Vince and Hogan posing. That's an interesting mad effect on the camera. That must have been my mistake. I think that's probably some kind of lens flair. Yeah, so Hogan thunder has been introduced. We turn now to break him in half, gesturing

to the crowd menacingly. Of course, what a mustache. I can't even deal with it. Rocky Rocky Balboa with the classic Art Jimmerson mistake, thinking he can grapple with boxing gloves on. It's just not going to happen. Put you at a disadvantage, not at an advantage. Wait for it now, look at it. Wow, Wow, fucking Christ, that's the money shot. You cut off the top of Hogan's heads exactly the frame, beautifully shot. Huh yeah, oh, Rocky saying we need to get a polaroid

together after this match. He's still in a charity frame of mind, right, Nogan. Hogan is in a steel chair frame of mind. Looks like he may have worked himself into a shoot. Here, you're ready for the double cross, the gorgeous George don Eagle double cross. There's the referee on all the fresh look at double miss. But he's ready. He's fucking poised to attack. Good move pretty fast for a big gu know, Pat Patterson,

all right, knock at this. He's talking through spots with Hogan because it's about talking right, put communication in the ring, trusting your opponent. There it is. That's the forearm of the back that he talked about, and that blooded his face when he landed on Hogan's cowboy boot and another sledge and down goes Man. Do they hit that sound effect? Or what? Oh? Yeah? Thunders christ something? Look at Robert goul over there, Yeah, corner to corner on the whip. I don't know if they teach

you how to take a buckle in boxing? Do you learn how to fall off a how do you learn how to how you learn how to work with Hulk Hogan? I believe Sylvester Stallone just took a bell out of the corner with a facelock take down. Look at that he's learning those moves from Japan. There it is the big power Slam crushes sly into the canvas. Not for the meat. Poplays want to cover him. I'd be like, if I want to face Hogan, I want to face he's taking careful notes.

Oh back, back breaker, Jesus the child, it's fake, but here it is. It's pretty wild that he was dropping the leg in eighty one. I know, huh, but it's not finishing. He's still saying husha even in the movie Big Soup Lex beautiful. Okay, there are some of the best moves I've ever seen. Hol Kongy Right, this is the best wrestling he's ever done. That's because they fucking took like four hours to do it. Probably, you know, it's incredible. Any stuff, man,

Fuck my god, he's always calling and he gets tossed. That's where Spike Dudley got the idea from to get gorilla pressed in the audience and there Pepper. She's used to this. Hogan was the third man in eighty one Apparents and there goes Earl Happener ref takes the bump as well. Burtus Meredith is dying. Yes, yeah, this is where the stuff hokus hokus, striking policeman and security guards. He still wants balpoum taking the gloves off. The

gloves are off places. It's a wrestling ring, of course, it's the d whoa. It looks like one of the the ring card girls in her bikini was even involved in the tussles. Ready, look at britis. Meredith is like, oh, losing his ship. This is about Boa is not happy to see Rocky now gloveless. He's just got the tail on brother, I changed the finish dude. Terry's back in side right to the gut.

You want to fight for real? Oh? He goozled him. Hogan has got him in the goozle pay with the chair, wooden chairs across Hogan's back and he knows sounds He's all right. Bumps for his career were naked choke by Rocky Balboa taking the bad come on thunderlips scrambling for refuge, looking burgess Meredith here is Mickey is he might as well be fucking uh Harley race God on God, our faithful announcer saying Rocky is hanging on like a bull terrier.

He's calling on the old wrestling at the merry gold I guess vocabulary. Hogan drops to an ee he's fighting, and look at this. Balboa releases the hole to go to work body shots, get fucking merit, and then the power slam. Look at this rock Frosh left, he's wobbley. Halk's gonna take the bump. Wow boom slammed. That's the biggest of Hogan's career right there. It really is. The skyscraper has been counted out of the ring. Where been thrown out of the ring. And I'm gonna say that

probably just qualification if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, what is this? Bill Watts w w well a w A. They did that too, They did the Yeah that's true. Good point. That was actually more the rule than the exception. In the early eighties, Hogan being fanned down by his uh many, his harem of women, one of them Linda. I didn't check

that out. I should have seen pretty good stuff, good match, tremendous lot that to the all fake There was a yes sure from Terry, Yeah sure, yeah, there is. There's like the undercurrent of see it's all fun in games here and Walter Matthow takes the photo Rocky bad not bad, no very good showing good stuff we've seen in the back of their Reaganomics mansion. Here we're told by that newspaper clipping that Rocky and Thunderlips wrote raised seventy

five thousand dollars for charity in that tussle there. I mean, it's not good even for you expect the world champion boxer back then to at least bring in one hundred thousand. Well they did bring in three times what Hogan got paid to do. Then that's a good point. Is Sevester Stallone riding a model T or is my my eyes deceiving me. It's a model of a model T right, model test. Look at you got this beautiful room, you know, look at him and then Paulie sitting there like a bitch in

his fucking wife beater idiot. That is the exact chandelier you would expect a poor Italian kid from Philly to buy. And that same fucking wallpaper like that's you know, I saw, you know, the wallpaper like that, you know, a little bit of money, and I figured, you know, I think it looks really nice. God, Yeah, he's way too lean.

It's almost not even muscular, you know. I mean, he looks it's good for for like you said, looking ripped, but when he's got regular clothes on, he looks like a like he's trying to be a model more than a box. And this is one of my biggest pet peeves of any movie. I hate when they play the theme music of the movie in the movie, like it's a real song. I cannot say it in that

world. Yeah, and this is about to get the controversial A glimpse at the controversial statue here, Yeah, says well documented earlier, and enter the cinema and this is Oh, there was a shit you know, I'm going to read it while we're doing this. Yeah. Sure, there was an email. We got an email actually about this and what I remembered from Matt some local trivia. He says, I'm looking forward to this. I grew up in the same neighborhood as stallone. We both went to Lincoln High School

three decades apart, so I'm basically like an expert. In nineteen seventy eight, he filmed a scene at Lincoln's auditorium for Rocky two, which he finally gets his diploma, and we first learned that Rocky's real name is Robert, but it was never used in the movie and no video footage exists. All that remains is a single frame on a bubblegum card from nineteen seventy nine attached. Wow funny the story that Stallone felt so bad about the scene being cut

that he gave Lincoln some TV time in Rocky three. In the scene right here, that's the Lincoln Band, Lincoln Marching Bone. Oh yes, that's right. As they unveiled the statue. They they aren't really identified, so they are they have they're they're they're signed, their their logo, the name is on the thing. And then he gives some phones, so Matt, you know, Matt jh. He gave some stuff there, and he gave

some photos and stuff like that. And I guess he says that he recalls many times in high school people would mention Stallone used to go there and that he was put in the slow classes because they they thought he was quote unquote retarded right repeatedly for year. And it was kind of like this weird thing, like basically, our fucking retort won an Academy Award. Well he didn't, he didn't win nominated. So the movie the movie One, but he didn't win. So not my word, that was the word in the email.

Yes, it's you knowing the language of the time. Yes, indeed, so Rocky taking the podium upon the unveiling of his statue. Now, it's like, it's kind of funny, like I know when you think about it in terms of the of the of the movie itself, Like the steps, why do they fucking matter to the city of Philadelphia. They matter to movie audiences that he that's what's famous about it. Like nobody was fucking there

when he climbed the steps and Rocky won. That's true, you know, Like you know, if he wins the world titled you imagine he'd do a bunch of interviews about how and where he trained. I guess why don't they put the fucking then? Why didn't they put the fucking statue in the in the meatpacking plan? Where the fuck that was? You know, boxing the steaks and ship and the carcasses of the cows. At least we get the food back. That's right. He just suggested he might retire. Looks Adrian,

here comes clever Lang. Don't give the sucker o statue? Give him Jesus, what a what a what an angle ale, Yeah, totally is got the hell out of hair, got on shooting an angle. I mean that's the loan's wearing nice pin stripe suit right here. You know, you've got a big mount, you know, whoa whoa Yeah. So this is

it? Like this is it. It's great, it's and and team makes a good point with it, you know, talking about how he's been you know here he is this, this this you know this this incredible fighter, this tough fighter, has not been given a chance and he's hungry. Absolutely makes a claim, makes the claim that that that Rocky has been fighting set up upon it's not real contenders for the title, which Mickey doesn't want Clubver to get a shot, and Sylvester is like, what were you talking about?

Mm hmm see he doesn't. Mickey's finished, doesn't want anything to do with being pulled into a fight with this clever Lang character. B' just Meredith, my fucking mouth man. How the hell that he survived? Oh oh, he's inviting Adrian to uh to jump snob take a. He wants he

wants to Clubver her Lang perfect angle. I mean, this is it's wrestling seventies per wrestling, you know, pull apart, goes the heel goes too far, kind of goes below the belt and try to get under the skin of the challenger and draw him out to give him a shot at the title. And Rocky is beside himself as they return to the Man's furious. He because it's true, rock We're going. I wonder why they called him what Matt said, They called him we're going, We're going come back? Now?

Why doesn't Mickey he thinks Rocky should retire, Like, why is he so mad about him fighting? You can't try because he's been setting up, setting up the fights. I think he just said this guy will kill you to death. That it's hungry. I'm hung now, Yeah, I'm fucking starving. But it didn't make me want to win a fight. Yeah, Hogan isn't hungry. You just had a large Italian a small one too for them, man. Yeah, Mickey tayling Rocky that he's been setting him up

ever since he won the title. Nobody like Cluver Lang ye over. I guess a lot of has been fighters name recognition, but not not a chance to win what we like to call legends here at World Wrestling Entertainment. Yeah, they did have legend legend uh legend contracts in the World Boxing Federation. The originally the original WBS really been a legends night ever since Bell Bubba won

the title, a big, long ass legends night. They have like I don't know, I don't know old boxers Jack Johnson, Oh, yes, of course, Jack Johnson, Floyd Patterson, Roti pat Patterson, Mike Tyson, Steve Austin. Thank you A real pugilist. You think he had the pugilistic decadents. A pugilistic decadence sounds like a fucking medical condition. Well, you know, I gotta tell you we uh, I'm gonna diagnose you with pugilistic decads Well you know, I gotta tell you what a doctor the fuck?

Well, you know I gotta tell you you have cancer. I'll tell you this is gonna be rough for me telling you this, But you've got some pugilistic decadents. He's your son. I don't know what I can do about. He's probably just reverting to a state of childhood dependence. Take him home, introduce him to the kid. Childhood pugilistic decadence is what it is, is not dependix. So Mickey's having a heart to heart on the couch here with Rocky, and I find myself struggling to care. Boss. Yes,

let's get on with the fight. I don't care about character in this movie. I care about fighting. Where's Hulk Hogan? Thanks? Gone, Now we can wrap it up. If that's what you're waiting for. Just stop the movie. Now, there's one more WrestleMania one participant together a belt here, and to win a belt too for that matter. Spoiler alert, Sorry, those are you not what? I've never seen Rocky tah before. But cluver Lang wins, got it? Yeah, clubver Long, twist table

for long. Fritz Lang also wins clubber Lang descendant of Fritz German au Tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're gonna fight in the Metropolis later tonight. Exactly. I think that's the clubb Lang is the no. So wait a minute. Rocky trains at a hotel. Now he's got to promote ship. Look at this cardboard cutouts of the man, balloons everywhere, a ring set up in the middle of this hotel ballroom. My god, look at that aster. Yeah, I know, pushing merch. Oh, they even

have the inflatable sand bottom punching bags. That I used to have. There's music, there's food, there's spirits, the Hodge, there's a Leroy Naman picture paintings going on here. Paul, he looking like a bitch. Yeah, he always looks like idiot. He always looks like he's slinging fried dough, doesn't he That's what you'd rather be doing that anyway, rockyest me. We know who pro Wrestling's version is of this cat, Yes, wreck Rocky is Leon Vader White. Mickey says, this is a bullshit area to work

out. I feel I feel like maybe was Burgess. Meredith is a mom who had the double four steps in her fucking pussy because it's all in the place half his face, you know. So here's the contrast, right, Rocky is hitting the bag ceremonial, Die fucking die, worthless idiot, you found the Rambow headband. Oh sweaty a blonder on the cheek, Tya Shire like, fuck you bitch. She doesn't love that look at this. Mickey's

telling Rocky's gonna kill him. And so what we're doing is we're juxtaposing shots of Rocky having this, you know, kind of performative training session in a fancy hotel ballroom with club or lang alone, just killing his abs with sit ups, hitting the bag as hard as he can, and Rocky is literally dancing bubbles in the air Italian stallion right like you said, this is like, you know, this reminds me of kind of the restumating a twelve build.

Yes, it's also very reminiscent of Rocky Brock at SummerSlam two thousand and two. Yeah, you're right, yep, that kind of sports. You put the training footage side by side and draw inferences about what their respective strengths will be from their training regiments. Rocky being running the lake and pulling Mickey behind him on the bicycle hockey. Yeah, feeling strong. Look at him,

that's stallone ejaculating you do. That was well coming. Right, So, now the the crowd has left the ballroom and Rocky's putting in that real work catch pneumonia. Why is it not heated in there? Must not be. Oh, he's got two point nine percent body fat, so he's probably just fucking freezing. You know, as I look at Rocky's color scheme on his outfit, there is his tights. Ho can kind of wore those colors

in the AWA black and yellow yeah, when I think about it. Yeah, so he and literally the other guys wearing red, the red hung yellow. He just ran with this whole movie all the way to the bank. He really did. Oh totally, this is it man, This is the spark, like you said, of the whole thing, and yeah, oh, without a doubt, without a doubt, we're Beckon and Milt here. I don't know, it's just San Jose. This the cow Palace. You're Rangy Rangel. You're in the best name of your career. You always hard

hitting questions from Yeah, well that's what kind of camera is that? Mm hmm. I want to be alone. They have cornered Clever Lang in the middle in some part of the building to let him not be photographed. He's like, I want to be alone, and you keep cornering him. They keep sucking, going closer and closer, and it's like, you're gonna die. This guy's gonna kill all of you. How about giving him an actual fucking locker room instead of putting him in him with lockers, right, which

is a big difference. There is there's Apollo. He was himself. Yeah, he was in our last out of the cinemat too. Remember Dieard. What I call the guy Carl Weathers? Yeah, no, he'll be in a couple of future ones. I'll tell you that. But what was the guy's name? From Family Matters? Reginald Phil Johnson? A couple of Carl Weathers, Carl winslow car awesome, of course, Carl Weather's greatest performance did you ask me? Is an arrested development? Have you seen it? I

know what you're talking about. Oh my god, he's so fucking great. He talks about eating a burger king and you can get free refills. I told you it's about food. It's my food. So clubver Lang confronting Rocky in the hallway. You washed up. I'm the best, all the best in the world. Paper champion. Wow, the entourages are about to come to blows. Here, come on, ref get in there, State patrol. Jesus, he's throwing copsh goes Mickey, Mickey taking the bump. Come

on, God buck me instead of a bench. Yeah, well, here comes a heart attack. It's like Tim Sheridan. That's what TV is gonna look like when he's eighty. Yeah. Adrian beside herself and her fur coat, she's living the life. She loves it. Oh yeah, you know, you know, damn well, like you know, she talks about it later, but you know, damn fucking well, she would be a miserable little wench if he if she didn't have that money coming in. You know it. Come on, I didn't sacrifice. He's all of this just to

give it away. Rocky, You're not the only one making a sacrifice here. No, Mickey's does not look well. He is clammy. He is say you say, he's like, I'm a juice not well, Jesus Christ, look at him. This is kind of like I think of a wrestling angle where like the old guy, Well, it's kind of like it's kind of like Gordon Solely and Morocco and Piper and whatever. God the movie that spawned a million angles promos ideas of like promotional confrontations. It's all here,

the raw material. Look at this raw ross speech for Ricky get out there and do it. He will be a bit did he? I don't think he won. Take a look look here when crowds channing Rocky. Yep, Mickey gives one last get out there and do it speech. He's Rocky.

Uh god. He was born in nineteen o seven. Rocky with one last entreaty to Adrian to take care of his beloved trainer, and he lays eyes on him, perhaps for the final time, as he makes his way to the ring and clubver Lang and Rocky Balboa now in the ring for me. He was even nominated for the Original Rocky renouncer introducing Apollo Creed to the live audience here refusing to shake the hand. No has been That's right, Apollo Creed is a bitch. That's right right in his face. What do you

can do about it? Reginald Johnson's awful m m The south Side Slugger. Yeah, he was nominated. He was nominated for the Original One. Best Supporting Actor. He was nominated. Sloan Talia Shire. Bert Young even nominated for Best Supporting Actor. Look at that, oh your favorite? Look at that? Well you're still a bitch then, so fuck it. He still looks like a guy who drives his mother to or doctor's appointments every Tuesday and takes it and and takes a little payday from her. Yeah, yeah right,

yep. Mom's got to come out of pocket for the drive through lunch on the way back, is it. Jimmy Lennon on the ring announcing. No, I'm not sure that ring announcer. Definitely still the trainer here for Yeah, there he is. Now that is that's Jimmy Lennon Senior. I think let me see, is that Jimmy Lennon. I don't know that's what you're talking about? Famous ring announcer and boxing. You can't be that famous. Don't know what is senor? Yeah? That is him? Here we

go. Marty Dankin presiding that come to center. Are sure it's not Buddy Hackett? Who the referee? I'm not sure. Actually, we'll see if Rocky Balboa can hack it here against mm hmm medicine Cluver Lang. Curiously, he did hack it with thunder lips earlier on Clubver just referenced meat again. He's hungry, after all. It's not forget that Jack? Is that Jack Lemon as well? In Rocky's corner, Jack Lemon and Mathow together an odd

couple here. That's the problem. That's why he loses. Well, they are wearing yellow clubber looks ready, he's bouncing on the Bob Coble on commentary to Jesus Christ, Jesus Rocky comes out swinging indiscriminately he's head hunting here. He's here. He wants to beat Tim down. This like ruins boxing in so many ways. To think that punches make this sound when they land, well also to think that punches is fucking like. Nobody fights like this in

box. Nobody. There's no defense their their necks are being turned around with every shot. God, put your hands out. The whiplash here is. There's no hesitation. There's no pausing, right, not at all. No dancing is no punches, oh clupp Langs coming from downtown with those, there's no discipline there. He's taking them back to the south Side Price and they're real in mind went boxing, yep, real fucking haymakers. And look at

that Jesus Christ. He's looked like and it's letting him hit him like put your hands up, pal, He doesn't know where he is. One oh bell sounds mercifully as Lang lands one more stiff left hook and uh, PAULA Creed looks nonplussed. I'll tell you, Paul, because you know why he's embarrassed. I lost right. That's it, man, when somebody beats you for the rest of your life, you root for that person, so you

look okay By comparison. He's too strong. You don't smoke him. I can't get him off a panic Rocky Balboa breathlessly telling his corner he can't do it. Well, do they care enough to keep him alive? Mickey? No, they give up on him. Yeah, I say that, just as we see the vitals bug get out here, call them morgue. Is there symbolism and his trainer dying as he's getting killed in the ring. Ah, yes, there is actually thank you especially later too. Is that Hogan's

hat? I thought I saw some pink feathers. I thought one surprised me if he was a vip here. I mean they did raise seventy five grand together. Oh Jesus, And now it's the right hooks of club are lagging, loading them up, where as the hands. What are you guys doing? Why is punches just letting him take him out? First of all, they would have stopped this fight, oh four hundred punches ago, but no standing out. Count Jesus Christ, it's kind of ridiculous. Put your hands

up, look at him sitting duck and they paused. Oh, here we go, laying loads up in slow mo and bang the left hook kills Balboa he goes down like a like a video game character. Yep, Rocky came out so confident, didn't he, boss Uh letting those hands fly. Rocky Balboa came out so confident in the beginning, like there is going to be another walk in the park. Now he's realizing how favorably he's been match made, how much of a bitch he really is. And as the ten count

expires, so does Mickey. That's right, Mickey expires along with Rocky's championship reign. It's all coming crashing down. It's gonna hurt inside. Rocket doesn't know where he is. He's still fighting. I don't know where he is for that matter, I don't know where they shot this. Jimmy Lennon Senior with the announcement the new heavyweight Champion of the World clubber Lang And yeah, it just went down real quick for one Rocky Balboa. Phil Apollo Creed here

not very Xavier Woods of the New Day. His original ring name in TNA was Consequences Creed. Was it really? Yeah? It was? Uh, It's funny because stallone was, of course, the executive produced the Contenders. Reality is very true, great themes, much like I pointed out they found themselves having to in post production add sound effects of Punch's landing for the actual

fights that they put the reality show. They really, yes, they did, and they edited the fights heavily to speed them up and just like hone in on the moments of exchange that resembled the movie. Well that I understand. Yeah, I guess you know, this movie, this movie very much settled burned into the public imagination what it was that a boxing fight looked like all of them. I mean they all you know, that's it said. Everyone wanted boxing fights to be rocky movies. And right, you know,

like you can't do it. That's why we have wrestling, because you can do it exactly rock. In Mickey's bedside, he is laboring just to breathe here tears streaming down his face. I think he knows this is the end, boss. Maybe it might just be taking a nap. Actually call off the corner. I remember watching this when I saw this the first time, being very surprised that that Mickey dies, you know dies. Yeah, you know, I didn't really know. And this early in the movie, I

mean, we're halfway through, but you know, it does move. This move movie moves briskly. I remember a lot more distance between the Hogan and clubb Lang fight than that, And I mean that's the thing too, like it moves very briskly, unlike the second one, which moves at just the sow's past possible. Right, they packed two movies out of this one. They really did. Again. They should have built they should have had a Hogan thing, I mean, honestly, so, yeah, he has lost

Mickey. He's like Jesus Christ, I said, I needed a corner, not a corner, Jesus wailing and agony on the chest of his fallen It's a sad day in the Balboa community as he loses his world heavyweight title and his beloved trainer all in the same evening. Kind of a rough night. I'll say, I want to get the Suicide watch ready. The Morg is the Morg, It's the well, it's a it's a what do you call it? You know, one of those places in the cemetery where you get

a lot of bodies what do you call it? Mausoleum, mausoleum, thank you, also known as that place in the cemetery where we got a lot of bodies, including Jesse Ventura, who I see there. That's the place in the cemetery where you got a lot of bodies. Don't you worry what I got Jesse the body right here, notus. What do you think about

Mickey's character was Jewish? Yes, they there was a reason they did that because everyone kind of thought he was Irish, because you know Mickey, but they they made him Jewish because, uh, what do you say, Mickey gold Mill? Gold Mill, August fifteenth, nineteen eighty one. Is what we're supposed to think this day is Stallone said that he did it because there were a lot of there were a lot of Jewish boxing managers who were not RECOGNI nice because they were Jewish, and so he wanted to do that to

honor them. That's a little interesting. Yeah, would we call Mickey his manager or trainer? That's a trainer whatever, whatever you call it. Either way, whatever Mickey is, there are a lot of Jewish people. He's like a stand in for the unappreciated versions of them in reality. That's interesting that I did not That's a detail I did not recall. Yeah, so August eighty one, I mean, this is this is Hogan's starting up with a w a the under lips is moving on and the bigger and better things.

The question is, is Rocky Balboa is he moving on? There's the there's your stupid statue. I know when I lose someone close to me, I get on my motorcycle and drive to my statue. Yeah, so I did when my grandmother died. He got on my motorcycle and drove to my statue. No, he doesn't even go to Mickey's statue. And I know that they're isn't one, But that's that's kind of the point, eh man. They must feel the gans in that city there putting that thing up.

They must feel like fucking chumps. They put that thing up, and he loses the title in two rounds. Oh shit, right, what a fucking dick. That's when the editorial start about like misuse of public funds. Then they start talking about fucking Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick. Shit, no wonder there was controversy in the city about putting the statue back. I mean, oh, you know, he's a loser, he's a bad omen. What the fuck we go? I don't want that thing on my heart art museum?

What the fuck are we doing that for art? It's commercial bullshit, that's right. But commercialism is art. It's post modern art. Yeah, didn't you hear me? Just read about Venturi or whatever? Ventura. That's right, I'm a postmodern artist. I don't think you knew that. But I do like my good every now and again. I do like a good dose of postmodernism in my coffee. Look at this Rocky in a forlorn state.

He's made his way over to the original Mickey's trading gym, and yeah, maybe if he's trained there for the fight, he would have won. Oh uh, oh so Apaulo Creed just hangs out in Mickey's gym in the dark. He doesn't Mickey, he doesn't miss hangs out there in his fucking white overcoat. Of course. He just indicated that he actually went to Rocky's house and Arion said she hadn't seen him in an hour, so I knew you'd be here for a day. It's kind of like the version, this

movie's version of uh Kevin's mom finding him at the Christmas tree. He knows where he'd be right right exactly. Mm hmm. Let me let me tell you what if you lost your world title, what would you be doing right now? Probably the same thing you're doing Rocky. So he's going to counsel Rocky through this loser. Yeah, funk that he's going to be in now what oh why? This is a good job in this movie. Sure does

an inspired performance. I like it. I don't like Carwe's that much, but I do like him in this onetor yeah, coming soon too, under the Cinematon third body in that one. That's right. I am in the Arnold Schwarzenegger motion picture Predator. I play a Amanda And what I'm gonna do there is I'm gonna kick some ash out of an alien. And that's that is how he says alien. It's part of his you could say body of work. Jesse Vittura raw Ross speech here from Carl weathers, I are the

tiger man. You know what we should do instead of that, you know, instead of doing the box and there, maybe you know I should write a song? Well, I am a tiger. Do you think? Well do you think of Paulo write a song? I'm going to go back in this dark corner for an hour and a half like my dark corner. CLUBB CLUBB CLUBB. You're being interviewed on television there, clever and daddy fuck it? Yeah, exactly clever and Lane. It is clevering time, you know.

It's sitting there like this is this is fucking weird. This is Hogan watching Zeus and no holds Bard totally. Yeah, they took this. It's fucking Vern watching tape, watching film and the Wrestler. Oh god, fuck, don't even get me started. So it's just so weird that they're all sitting so close to each other on the couch, like the shoulder and shoulder here. It's true. I can't be beat. I won't beat just the camera, mister t What a fucking he should have gotten not many for an

oscar for this fucking role, easily. Yeah, it's a first time actor, did uh Paully he was in The Wrestler too. He looks like some guy that worked in the office or something, doesn't it look like Alos like the love child of Vern and Uh and Uh and lou Grant there and as God classic ship. Mhmm, what do you mean, what do you want? We do? Give you a hand job? Paul? What a favorite sexual favor? Mm? The Golden Daddy, the fucking so gaudy Gordon Gecko's

House, Jesus way too for Gordon Gecko. This is eighties opulence, you know, that's what we're seeing here, Like, Daddy, why do I have to wear a suit every day? Daddy? How come I'm raised by other people? Why do you wear a three piece suit every fucking day? Dad? Why do you wear a three pce suit? To dad? Are you? John Cena? This is no ship that so sad that he's hanging

on to this era? This is this is Flair to in the eighties, you know, yeah, totally like everything Rocky is in this movie, you know, with all the fame and fortune, it's all the trappings that are Rick Flair is trying to copy. And that's your son. What a fucking loser, that's your fucking son with those dorky Sary Sarah Sally Jesse, Raphael fucking a. Here's a reference for that ass. On Maple Avenue in Philly. We hit a. I think we're in l A. However we're in

la Yeah, in l a uhaul. I don't know where Maple is, but oh, that's definitely an l A bum. Mickey Roach's place, huh at uh Freddie Roach's place. Geez, a taxi's got a bad wheel. Thanks for that. Paulie for setting the scene. You know, why don't you say that when you got the tickets, you fly all the way out there. You flew out there. You're fucking what thought were doing in la when he got what he got in the cab at l a X. You thought they were taking them to Portland about a ten hour drive. Oh,

yes, racist is coming out soon. Yeah, I know what they're doing. They go to the Olympic to see Hulk wrestle. Yeah, is that Hogan right there? You know he's blonde, he's going a mustache. I love how his wife comes with him and leaves the child behind. I was like, what is she doing there? Like like way way to make the feel the kid feel loved. I thought you weren't supposed to fucking training camp, by the way. Huh. I thought you weren't supposed to have sex

in training camp. By the way. The last thing you want to bring along is your wife. In terms of temptation, Oh man, he's entering a sweat box full of killers here. Apollo Creed has found him some training partners extraordinaiy fucking fucking Ooh, She's gonna don't miss the message here. Rocky has to train with black men to de feed a black man. That's right, you know what I mean? Menacing looking motherfuckers. Oh this is Apollo

creep stopping ground started. He started boxing, so I saw he's in l a man. I didn't realize that. M hm, tremendous. I have a tiger. Everyone's looking to kill. They're looking at him, and are they ever glistening the tiger? Get in there, stallone, I see what you got, and he continued, Paulie comes in no class in here. What a dumb ass. Fuck you dude, He's a fucking so annoying. He's worthless top. Why are you bringing him again? That's nothing. The

toxic hanger on her. Oh they're in every boxing camp. Every boxing camp has one the guy that somehow, like you said, you nailed it, that has this little bit of like psychological leverage on the superstar and everyone else in the entourage knows he's toxic, but but the big boss says he's got to be around. I remember Pacquiao had a guy like that. He had a big fight with Freddy Roach over it because no matter what Freddy did,

this guy always had Pacia's ear and he didn't know anything about anything. He was just some guy that somehow won Pakia's trust alone. Yeah, I know what I Nobody really needs to channel his mentality. They create these jobs for themselves within the camp. I don't like these people, says Pauli on the nose, says Rocky. They probably don't. Not a lot to like. They're excited to see the chance former champ. Come on, well, he's a champ, always a champ. It's like an honorary title, like president

Leaky pipes and everything. Jesus Christ, he's really rough, Jesus on the toes. You need to get hell. They're in LA. They need to call Jean LeBell. Get him in here, show him some hip locks and stall a bell lock. Let's go all the way. Of course, this a glimpse of what would be a long and pathetic tradition of Hollywood celebrities like Mark Wahlberg pretending they box too, going to boxing gyms, and the rougher parts of still feel like men, local bitches, like the guy in the

Fighter there who my dad went to high school with. Oh no, the Fighter, Yes, uh, the Fighter talking about Mickey h Mark Wahlberg, Yeah, but he plays Oh my god, Mickey Ward Yeah, but the the the guy who trains him, the local guy who was a real lowell guy. My dad knows him. He hates him. I don't think I knew that awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome rocks women like an old lady

here. Yeah, I mean, jesus, I know he's roughing it in the actual fighting gym, but does he really have to take them to a wreck pool in nineteen twenty eight, I expect the women to be wearing those bits and swim caps. Yeah, Teddy Roosevelt in office? What the fuck is this? Like that they're staying in Like I like that that that just because that they're in that they're not there working in a crappy area. They have to stay in a crappy area like right, why couldn't they stay at

the Ritz? Right? There's like he still has money. Yeah, you've always make the most That's why the boxers always hang on too long as you make the most money as your ability is waning. Right, and well, I mean also he's got fucking merchandising money coming in. I'm sure he's got residuals from from stuff like that. Like, you know, they could stay at a hotel like a real hotel instead it is I guess maybe on top of the fucking club there, or they are like, yeah, just anywhere

and like a motor roadside motel might be better. Honestly, they're watching film. Yeah, you know what the problem is, uh, Apollo. He's standing there with his hands by his hips, letting clever Lang hit him in the face over Maybe he should block it. Like she's all happy, like we never have that. She doesn't mind this fucking god damn, he just wants him to fuck her. Come on, stop thinking about boxing and box me take care of my box. She's such a good spirit. She just

said there are worst places, which I'm not so sure about. Actually I'm not so sure either. I mean they went over the top of dress Polly's house, probably worse, lace potato chip bags everywhere. Oh, I'll tell you, I'll never forget. I moved a friend of mine. I moved a friend of mine from his from his apartment in l A. And I there and there were like two dozen pizza boxes piled up on each other.

Wow. I just stared at him and I said, look, I'll do this for you one time, but I am never coming to any of your apartments. Ever again. I never did tremendous. He always came to my house. I never went. I said I'm not going in. I will never do it. I will keep my word and never never step foot in another apartment that you have. I love it and I haven't to this day. This is UH. A few generations before the UH, the bluetooth speakers

would blast music to the whole gymneys. You have your fucking boombox. Yeah, Paulie is literally holding a boombox, apologies and creaming them and well, they're all looking at each other as they trained Balboa like this guy is not He's not the real deal. No, it's kind of awkward because it's like the guy there giving the stink eye is the guy that beat that ass two movies ago. You know, it's like you put him down, and you're

putting down the guy who's screaming at him. Even more so, no, putting a chap out right left cross, You've got to move exactly how the fuck did he become world champion without moving his head? Well, he boxed fucking cow carcass Jesus Christ in the butcher shop. He's hooking, Yeah he is. It was Attitude is ripped totally. Is there is no tomorrow? He screams at Rocky, Oh that one got to him. He's looking in the mirror now he's wondering who he's become. I always become. You ever

been of that beach? Yeah, Santa Moncacy, Oh yeah, Santa Marcha Pi right there? Yeah, been there when I have fucking the marathon, I ran I fucking nice. I've been there too, I think to become there together maybe probably, Yeah, that's where marathon I ran up and down the beach just like this. Just well, no way, no, no fucking way. Look at Stallone's head. Idiots, Noddy's because he's running so slow. Look at him. Come on. They slowed it down for cinematic

effect. I believe it's like it's like rock The key is not to have more heart. The key is to not let him hit in the face like that, right, like he thinks he's gonna win the fight by just like if that. That's one like horrible thing this movie drives home is the idea that, like, the only reason you lose when you get punched in the face over and over again is because you don't will yourself to shake off the pain. Right, he should have just fucking gotten up. That's the thing,

you know. Not that to do with his defense. His strategy is fucking ploy He's he just needed more heart, He had more heart, he would have done it. No, No, what looks like flashbacks to the fight just stopped him dead in his tracks. He gave out, he gave up. What is there like an army invasion happening? What the fuck is out there? I think that looks like that's Clever Lang's naval fleet breaching the perimeter here. Paul Creed has called it. It's all over, He says,

Yep, it's clear that Rocky doesn't have it. Hogan's over in this movie. But yeah, yeah, he's the one guy that comes on us all over Rose. He was the canary in the coal mine. The way he was able to take it to uh Balboa, that should have been assigned everybody, But because it was a pro wrestler, no one took it seriously. No, it's what he did isn't serious. That's right, fraud. It's fixed body slamming pretend fighters. Why don't you put the herding on a

real fighter, Rocky? Wow, now she just walked over man. That music. Yeah, that's of a particular time, isn't it, Bill Contey, Ladies and gentlemen, Oh is that Bill on the track? CONTI Yeah he is the Is he well known? Uh? Yeah. He did a lot of TV work, a lot of composed a lot of TV themes. But I would say his most known work is the Rocky movies and the Rocky theme and that's big. Yeah. It's enough to hang your hat on for a car, absolutely, I mean, god, lucky to get one.

You know, you're likey to get anything, let alone fucking Rocky War to be over. Yeah, that'd be nice, Jess Terry Bill Conty is god he did. He did Rocky when he was thirty six? Look that good for him? Is that old or young? Young? Yeah? The fucking yeah, that's true. Most composers have white hair, don't they. Yeah? I mean now he does. But like to be to be doing that when you're He's in a lot of stuff. Good for him, the right

stuff. You want to oscar for the right stuff? Mmm? Some angle to hold onto the title longer than I should have had it and Ale Yeah right. You know they don't have Philly accents at all. No, they have just straight Bronxe accent. Absolutely, they're totally New York loser. Really, a fucking loser. Nothing fucking real. That's what thunder Lips told me. None of it's real, he said, nothing is real unless you believe

in who you are. She's not putting you through anything, dude. You're doing this, helping you and going with you to LA for no reason. Like she's not taking care of her kid because he's with you. Why is he screaming at her? He's scared? We got money, money, any money? Oh? I see he's afraid. Mm hmm. You're the only You're not the only bitch that's afraid. Rocket, Your wife's afraid. Your kid's afraid because he doesn't know what the fuck's going on in those glasses.

I'll tell you his kid's afraid because his dad's a fraud. That's what it is. It's like, why don't I tell my friends? Right? Not only is he like a fucking loser champion, but he also fought a fake fight with that fucking fake wrestler loser champion. That's a tough one to come back from. I'm a loser champion, So if even if I do win the belt back, there's a there's a moniker that still fits you oper a phrase pink loser, not champion, Dad. I'm gonna take away champion out

of your nickname. Just loser. Don't you know Rocky haven't needed a champion. Heaven need it a stamion, I'll say that's why he took you. Any truth to the rumor that if they couldn't come to terms with Slye, that Crockett Jopp or the Italian Stallion would have gotten the call. I believe that was the case. There was a there was a time when they when they when when they were when they were talking about doing Rocky four, he was like, I don't I don't want to do it. I don't want

to do it. Well, we'll fucking rock We'll just get this guy, this guy here, we'll do it for free, because he's a fucking loser down and down in some other fucking terror Charlotte. And I want to sit here and I want to smoke my cigar and tell you Stallone that you're a bitch and I don't give a shit you either do with this fucking movie. And I want to make somebody else a big fucking star. Is Rocky all right? Your fucking asshole. The Italian stallion. No, that's a real

large Italian, that's right. I mean, any Italian stallion at a fucking sandwich shop is going to do you in big heart to heart. Here between Adrian and Rocky hit the music. Glad she wore pink lipstick out to the fucking beach for the training. I thinkographers happy about it as well. I don't think so too. Oh God, his lips are so perverted. That was That was an uninspired little smooch there. I think I wonder if they keep in touch when they get five movies together. Yeah, that's all you

Now, he's got the He's ready music is the music's hit. We're in a polo shirt. Now you put the the towel. Towel, yeah, to catch the sweat? Yeah, I should probably. You know how fast I go through one of those towels, like two seconds literally go through it? Yeah yeah, literally. Now he's actually paying attention to what were you doing? What are you doing that, Paula? You turn come from around.

We're doing push. Feeling strong now, feeling feeling strong now gonna fly now right, I'm feeling strong now I'm going up all right, let me get the fucking lyrics, please, please do Rocky. Rocky movies are fucking king of the the not the highlight reel. What's the word I'm looking for the montage? Oh for sure. I mean put you right were you need to be in effish and order. Pretty sweet. Nike kicks too on Rocky. Trying hard now, Yes, it's so hard now, trying hard now.

Oh he's ready, gonna make a move. Yeah. Oh he's ready and making moves. Yeah yeah, getting strong now, won't be long now, getting strong now, gonna fly now, flying high now, gonna fly fly very nice, go Rocky. Push on that beach. He's firing. He's actually catching up to Apollo Creed now even Apollo Creeds, Like, motherfucker, you gonna beat me. Just not Father Karras running from a extorcist. I'm sure it looks like him, Sead movement. We need what's his name,

Jason Miller. Yeah, he was a boxer. Oh, look at him, pull away. Look he's coming in. He's gonna do it strong. Look at that footwork. That's it. He's dancing, man. I love that he's fucking dancing. The laughter winning. Yeah, I have a tiger. I love that. After winning the heavyweight title of the world. He discovers head movement after winning the heavyweight title of the world. Discovers head.

Oh, Paul, bitch all we let's get those snides. Look at that, Look at the muscles, look at the look at the look at the quads, Bobby eighties striped socks. Right, oh god, fucking knee highs. Yes, yeah, those will be coming back any day. Now. Look at him. God, he pulls ahead. Go keep nodding, keep nodding, prevent me from nodding off. Yeah, and they're gonna make out now they're splashing in the water, like seriously, just get it on. And this is this is where Apollo Creeds whispers in his ear. I

let you beat me. You're really a bitch, rocket rock, You're still a loser. And then whatever, that's it. No, nope, we gonna we're back. But we're back. We're in the world's most famous arena. This uh is spectacular in the world's most famous arena. Brought to you by Jess McMahon Promotions. I'm sorry, that is not Yeah, here we go. Don't run any strategy, He's stupid. Promoter text work hard, presenting this night of Championship Boxing. He just hit her, let't hit you

again. That's where he started. I pity the fool that is this is where he started. I mean, it's not where he started. I think he was doing it before, but he used in the movie and became famous. Got it he was using in his real life. I think so you always he's the fool, is what he said. It's it's religious something like that. I forget. Sit in an interview something ringside uh. Commentators weighing the odds, saying they're quite long for Bellbo to reclaim the title tonight.

Yeah, prediction, Yes, prediction. Clubber looks to the camera. What a pain, he's a This was meant to be, this whole thing that's happening right now on Patreon. Mm hmm yeh, there we go. Imagine the how fucking horrifying that must be. If you're a boxer and someone opens your locker room door and says it's time to funk out. I don't want to think about it, like it's time to get punched in the face. I don't care how ready you think you are. That's gotta be fucking horror.

I don't want it. That's the thing I don't know. I could never. Oh there is like because because you have to, you have to build up your confidence so much that you think you're gonna beat somebody. But like I just I don't know. It's confidence that's so easily shaked. Oh I know, like one person could say what are you doing? And it's like, yeah, I know what am I doing? Oh I could. That's why I could never be a fighter. I could have never been a

fighter. It cracks me up. Like when I talk to people in casual life about being a huge fight fan, like you ever trained, I'm like, no, what? Like, no fan? Fight? He missed when I said fan, not fight? This isn't This isn't a fantasy of mine. This is an interest of mine. This is I don't know, although I can't. A guy I know from junior high. He he's I don't know if he's I don't know if he still fights not, but he definitely trained to be. I think you saw him or something something like that.

Fuck's his name? I think you saw him one time, or or you went to a a fight, you covered a fight up in Maine that he was at, or something like that. Oh, really, I feel like that happened yeah, I'm drawing a blank where there's the iron Man from Philadelphia. Rocky Balboa has entered the ring. Yeah, this is not Madison Square Card New Way. I wonder where they shot this, I don't know, probably the Spectrum. Yeah, this song broadcast on Prism. Yeah right,

there comes Clever Lang. Oh yeah, uh. C J. Hobbes, d J. J. Hobbs. Listen that James Cohn plus Walter hab Walter Hobbs. I mean, he definitely never fought like crazy things like like like yeah, yeah, small stuff. Fascinating that uh miscalculation the tea is calling uh Apollo boy. Yeah, yeah, very true. Huh considering the sensitivity in real life that mister T had to that term, is that a No,

it's not. There was a big miscue on the neckline shaved there from old mister T. Yeah, he kept the the line of his beard down around the Adams Apple, but he he uh clopped off a fair amount of hair in between there. There. He's got he's got interesting designs, well, he's got Yeah, he's got bigger things to worry about. There was. You know, the reason why he got the mohawk cut is because at some point he was trying to get teas put in his hair, but they

look stupid. Oh really, and so he just shaved the sides of his head. That's fascinating Rocky Balboa. Everyone loves the white Italian stallion. What do they think of Clever Lang going with the apollo creed American flag tights. Here's Rocky Balboa. I think is that is that Rocky on there on his entourages or is that the Japanese snack pockey? I think Pocky looks like both boom wearing the title they boo, they boo the black man kind of going.

They cheer, but they cheer the the man cornered by the black Man. Yes, they come to center. Look at that fucking face off. Now, imagine like you look at like there's like what like less than an inch between their noses. Imagine looking at me like that right with it, And that's how close they are. Isn't an amazing how in film it never looks like they're that close. Yeah they are, that's right up in their

ship. Wow, Like, how do you like you think about the beating he took in the first fight and now you're gonna fight that fucking guy again. But now he's now, he's now, he's gotting Apollo though. He's training like movement. He's been in the in the in the dirty. I've been training in l A. That's right where they know how to fight. It's right like Philly with that. All sounds runned away. Rematch comes out just like last time, and less than zero defense from cluver Lang once again,

clubb Aer doing just letting get up. Jesus Christ. It's like Mike Tyson sponge out. It's like the Wii boxing. Yeah, he has like hit him with three straight jabs and clever Lang did nothing right, gross left gross, nothing being offered in response from clever Lang. Here his hads like a pez dispenser out there. Boss, absolutely just landing a steady diet of jabs. Here is Balboa. They could have gotten away without doing the sound effects. It's kind of funny, you know what I mean? Yeah,

the braver of Wooden crate sounds. You know what it is is that announcer guy. He's got to stuck down. Can I do some folly work for you, mister saloon, I'm gonna do it anyway, not laying pulling forward. Look at that now he's fucking doing defensive work masters. Yeah, the head movements there, nice fade there, he's firing forward the one two's. Look at Balboa coming with a straight left. He's My goodness, look at

that great combinations. All clutter Lang's got is right and left hooks from Downtown, much more varied punch. I mean that thing, Rocky. It's a different a different fighter than he was. Oh, clearly they did a great job of like making that happen. Clubver Lank beside himself and how wants the fool? Yep, from what I understand, he pities the fool. I'm being told he pities the fool ladies and gentlemen. He wants to kill the

fool. M Water being administered, That's what the guy never got in fighting. Yeah, what squirting water in the guy's mouth between rounds and he spits it out. It's like, well, you want to have that water in your body? You want to like Yeah, I mean like I think about the times when I've had too much water and the water sits the wrong way, ruin your whole fight. But at least you get your mouth wet, get the spit moving. I mean, I know nothing about boxing. That

was all no No, that's that's that's suggesting. Sure. Oh look at that steady right jab from about and and and and and fucking tea just taking it absolutely hammorhage. It goes to town. He's here to fucking take Rocky Balboa apart. I said Balboa should train with Jean Label. It appears that mister t did just that. That's a judo hip throw het he pulled to see an wait on what a judica is, mister t. Oh, he's

about to adjudicate this heavy right landing flashbacks. These are like fucking Vader potatoes Atrian. I know, Ada, ada, ada, who's the old man fucking next there? Not worried? Why aren't you sitting in a box? Oh? Rocky Gett knocked all around the ring. He's out and look at him, falls down like an accordion. He took a huge bump. Bumps hard five. Think you think Terry taught him that bump? I think so, brother. What you want you do is you want to go inside out

like an accordion. Brother? Oh, someone at home falls? Oh it's how fast that one Actually from the ninety two rumble actually would have been Pat Tanaka. Actually, I take it back Balboa goes down again, the hungry clever Lang closing in again with those massive left hooks to the temple. Even Adrian can't watch anymore. Oh, ain't so bad. Look at fucking Rocky trash talking. You're not in it, big face off between rounds, Adrian probably flashing back to the beach where he said, I'm scared. Yeah.

She ended up putting them on the track to get back in the ring. She could die, he could die. It's my fault. God incredible. Here we get some, we get some. Yeah, I won't say we get, we get he said he. Rocky says that Clubber is tired. Get some rumble in the jungle. Inspiration here by dope, by rock I have the Ti the Tiger. You understand, rock Time for some rope a dope. He is tired, the lactic acid filling up in those huge muscles

of one, mister t Clubber Lang is Round three is underway. Rope Yeah, i'd say, is Myron keep talking? Club Who you try to convince Rocky or yourself? Right? That's the that's the deep. We look so fun. It looks like it looks like Gilbert godfreed in that he's missing and Nothing is more exhausting than missing punches. Oh man, Now he's clipping Rocky big time in the corner. Come on, body shot puts him against the ropes. Another left to the body. Man, clever Lang attacking the body

viciously. Here hands up defense rot this tapping his forehead. Those punches must be losing their sting. Knock me out, so he does. Lang explodes to the body with a right hook. Man, he is he hitting them with nuclear warheads or punches, or animals or dinosaurs. It's like the eighteen twelve overture out here. Jesus is clever letging laying him in. This fight would have been stopped in any jurisdiction you can imagine, No, not unless

the gunshine. New York State Athletic commissions for the chorus. Here Jerry Cooney falling asleep on the job. Here referees you know, discretion, Yeah, sure that's true. Comes comes Rocky, luring him in. He seems ready to attack, protecting the body nicely. They had the head protecting and answering. Look at him. Defense and offense here form Rocky nice avoidance cover Lang is you can tell he's gassing up here Boom and look he's oh he's lifting

him. Yeah, those spotty shots are literally taking him off his feet and up top. Here we go, Steady Diet doubling up on the on the hook and jabs pumping, just him with jabs. Jesus, no fucking person would be still standing, Steady Diet. Oh my god, eighties, Paul, like this is this is this is keep my mind. This is the era when fucking uh guys with machine guns hold it under their fucking arm pits and shoot and aim and don't miss, you know, so true? Oh

that one landed? Oh fuck on his feet? One more? One more the left is one more? All day from Boboa South paw bitch, Come on, take him out left down the pipe, right down, he goes. That's it. He may have killed the man and they're on their feet in the garden. I feel bad for his managers and trainers and stuff. There. That's it and count that's it. That's it. He did it. Oh look at him, lookt him. He collapses. I conic. Look at the boxing writers chain smoking calling in results. Oh all right,

make some phone calls. They got the guys with the fucking visors going to the back out on the gate where's Arnie Scoland with the cash deposit box? That was over quick? I mean they really, I totally forgot this. They just get in there and beat the ship out of you. They do.

They really do again again a much more intense fight because unlike the other the previous two movies, there's no like they would they had a montage, you know, of the uh of the movies, of the of the fights, like they would go they went to full fifteen rounds or whatever, where this one they just didn't. Both fights are are shown in their entirety right and now they're wearing diapers and come in and after the fight, they're wearing

diapers, Balboa and create conversing Red and Yellow. Keep in mind upon the trilogy. Yeah, I know, huh, look at this, it's all here. I like how they're going to have their that they want to have their rubber match be a fucking exhibition by themselves, not even not even in front of like an audience. It's a lot of money you're passing up, guys, at least for charity. I mean, Jesus Christ, have a heart. Balbo and Creed climbing back in there one more time for an audience

is none turn buckles wrestling ring does. Oh all right, so I think Creed tot pilebow everything he knows. It's safe to say that Paula Creed taught Rocky Bilbo everything he knows. He didn't teach him everything he knows. However, thank you. That one goes back to day one. That's it you've been saying that day we met, Who's fucking money. That's why I've ever thought Sean Michael's everything he knows. He didn't teach him everything he knows.

However, so they're really just gonna get in there and beat the shadows each other. After all, this this is fun. Keep in mind they're gonna get bloody and whatever, and they're gonna have fun doing this. This is where I don't understand fighting. A lot of dialogue here. This is like a thunderdome match, right, Oh yes, it is. It totally is. We're watching modern w B product right now, right, this is this is boxing storytelling freeze frame. As soon as they les on each other,

all rival leroy Meathan paints the picture. Wow, well, I think in many ways still so Leicester Stallone and Terrence Kunkong bo Leya painted a picture for us here this week. I think that is definitely safe to say, and thank you guys once again for joining us as the credits roll here on another episode of Under the cinemat and we will see you next time at the Movies US. The succeeding preceeding is a production of the LAPS Entertainment Group. Its content is intended for private use only. W