Ep. 408 Winter Mailbag (Part 2)

Mister fake entertainment too. Rights, I'm so glad you guys brought up disability. Guys like Sid holland Nash specifically has always been given off a vibe of seeking the relief of not working. They are of a certain vintage that were sons and grandsons of the generation that returned from

Interesting, and it gets.

In your head and you try to have retirement years while you're actively working, essentially, which some of these guys were able to pull off. Very interesting. Philip wants no question for Jack. In those periods when Sid was wrestling away from WWE, did Bo Justice become bow Vicious? No, he did not. He was absolutely always Bo Justice. But because I had the Sid Vicious galub and he was a totally separate wrestler, he had nothing to do with the other Sids, and that was Sid Vicious. So there's

Oh wow, who.

Weren't even on their show anymore. Some toy exact probably didn't watch wrestling and didn't understand why you couldn't switch them out like other actors. I'm not saying this is true, but it's something to think about.

So, yeah, I just don't think they'd have would they have that kind of pull over the company, they being the toy manufacturer, the toy manufacturers, I mean, the company was that they were just brand new that they came out in ninety six, the Jacks Ones, So would they have had It's not like they'd been like long, you know, like long time associates.

Yeah.

See, I would almost put the pressure the other way. I would think WWF would be worried about looking stupid to them. Then Jack's coming to them and complaining per se and getting anything changed. I would think it would be more likely that WWF would try to get cute and like try to avoid a discussion about having toys on the shelf of guys who didn't work there. Anymore just by coming up with fire.

I mean, but I would also say, you know, we're making money off these guys, so yeah, who can you know?

That?

To me is always the Vince rationale exactly.

And I think, and I think what Chris is getting at is maybe Jacks would actually accept, knowing nothing about wrestling, that it's actually perfectly acceptable to just call somebody else Razor and Diesel. Yeah, the fans wouldn't care about the person under the costume. It's really interesting. He also says, ps, the CID Hasbro has the same body slam as the first Hogan Hasbro, but it's labeled power bomb on the package. It is possible to make him do an okay power bomb,

Gorg Yeah, I know, I mean that was like one not before I wanted more common moves. The the press slam certainly was that a lot of those guys had.

Gordon was also inspired to write on the Bow Justice Front. He writes, as a kid, my friend Dan had two l J and Piper figures, and his fig fed the main figure was naturally rowdy roddy Piper, but the other was his twin brother, a jobber, ripping ritty by er.

There we go.

He also had two Awa Rick Flairs. Wow, one was fine, but the other one had a face that was accidentally burnt on a radiator. He was dubbed. Yeah, you had to say it, I have to say it retarded Ron Flair. Oh my god, Rick sometimes ron Flair would have been funny enough. But yeah, Rick sometimes manager and an occasional jobber. We still joke about this thirty five years later.

That's great, that's amazing, good stuff, Ron Flair, Rick and Ron Flair.

Something like he's still when he's workshopping names and asking Dusty for permission when.

He's first breaking in right right.

Steve wants you to know, Boss, that Pierce being Bond was a massive deal in Ireland. All I bet, I bet it was. The country, he writes, was in the middle of a massive boom. So in Irish Bond was

Oh made it. Probably I read. I did read a bunch kick because when when we talked about Pierce and we did his kind of early years in bio, we I did talk about his Uh. Yeah, probably there are probably a bunch of Irish names that I had no idea what the fuck they were, right.

Yeah, that's that kind of thing's gonna happen. William writes, I imagine Sid dispensing Vienna's with his softball bat, much like a little league coach during practice. Oh my god, big boys sausage on the two hot. I want to see you dig.

Oh I I I believe that I could see that.

And he also brings the uh the Arkansas Intel. Vienna sausages come forty eight cans to a case. It's usually two layers of twenty four cans, separated by a thin layer of cardboard and sealed and plastic. I would say that it measures about ten by twenty one hundred and fifty thousand cans makes four three twenty five cases. I would say it would probably be around ten six foot

Yep.

And there's always a few dented cans that leak the gelatinous liquid. The smell that comes out of the garage and a hot Arkansas summer day is enough to kill one of Bischoff's prized elk. God damn Frank. Else it says softball is huge in Arkansas, with no pro sports teams except for the minor league baseball team, so college sports are huge, and the men's baseball team and women's softball team are highly revered. For what it's worth to probably work rice fields is that's one of the few

I'm sure, I'm sure I would imagine that it wasn't. But it must have been something bigger than we all would think.

Right on our Buried a live episode, Blake has this to say about who I can only assume is Jerry Lawler. I bet Jerry just jerked off into his underwear and goes to sleep. He then he pisses on the wall at three am because half his dick hole is covered in dried comh.

Yeah, he totally yeah, because remember so he goes to bed naked, so it's like all over the fucking bedspreads.

It's his time of year, bossy. Oh, I think he had another fruitful Christmas season.

An I'm I am sure that he was thrilled. I'm sure he and I'm sure he did nothing but enjoy waking up Christmas morning to all the Santa Claus gifts that he gave himself, like going through his stocking as if he doesn't know what he's getting.

The sound of like him pushing something around inside his stocking to get to the something lower.

Yep, yep, all by himself. He gave himself these gifts.

He's taking selfies in the Ralphie pink bunny costume.

Yep, yep. And then then all of a sudden, then cut to the sound of like sizzling eggs and bacon making himself a nice Christmas morning breakfast. Nothing wrong with us at all, this is this is incredibly acceptable. Uh not uh psychopathic behavior.

Oh, we're gonna miss him when he's gone. I know the jammies he wears. Oh, just like the softness touching his.

The weird like innocent attempts at overhead selfies'.

Jared Lawler has a weird innocence. That's awesome, that's true.

And that's what he does. Like he does these like weird, little fucking innocent selfies. Like such a problem.

You're in your you live next to him. You don't know him that well, but your kitchen window, your kitchen window look up looks into his backyard and you're like washing a dish and Christmas morning and you look up and he's standing in his yard in the Ralfie suit just looking at you, not moving.

Oh my god, he's looking like right at your face, like.

Contact expressionless face expression, you know.

And you're like okay, you know. And you go down and you start unloading some dishes from the dishwasher. You come back up at the window and he's ten feet closer. Run that one through rock. Oh my god, that's funny, like absolutely impossible for him to make that distance in that amount of time.

Oh, I just got silly. It's good light. Here we go. So you look up. He's ten feet closer. You duck down. You look up. He's ten feet closer. You duck down. You look up, he's ten feet closer. He's like almost up to the window. Now you duck down. You look up. He's nowhere to be found. You look up. He's on your roof.

Yeah, you're duck down. You look up.

He's halfway across the roof. You keep going. He keeps going until he's like totally out of sight down the horizon, and you look up.

He's in the air. He's just like the air.

He's floating, just floating. He's not that's the twist. He's not coming to get you at all. He's looking past you. You know, he's just like a wind up doll.

Oh God, goddamn funny at Lawler.

Such a creep hockey night.

CTE rights. I hope we get a lot of lap Sid. We did. He's one of my favorites. Sid always reminds me of Daffy in the old duck Ammic cartoon. He recognizes that the business he's in is fake nonsense, but isn't quite self aware enough to pick up that he's as fake as the rest of it. Yep, be very true of Sid. Let's see, Adam writes to us. Scenario Sid stands at the pearly gates and the great hereafter all he has to do to enter paradise is to

Yes?

You can do it?

Yes now?

Clarkson writes, I would imagine that most of the Solar system says, in one way or another, brother to themselves as a way to add to the fun of listening to any of the shows. However, this podcasting entertainment vehicle is so far up my ass that when I dropped something in the kitchen a couple of days ago, I said brother out loud to myself, as one might use damn or shit. I was not listening to the show at the time, nor was I thinking about it or

So I've started doing it too.

I say it like I'm listening to MPR, Like someone says something on the radio and I'm like, brother, I just I just want to it's boring, So I just want to make it seem like what the person and just said is somehow objectionable or suspicious.

I forget I did it, you know, I did it in the presence of people recently. Oh yeah, oh yeah, man, like it was just a I forget what happened. There was someone's like a brother, and it's like, you know, I'm like, oh wait, this person doesn't don't know what I'm You don't know what I'm talking, no idea why I just made that noise. You don't know why I would say that word at that time for any reason at all.

Two of us. Oh God, Ken has a good one, he says, Uh co chairs, Sid stinks, never was a draw. This tribute should be great. But if anyone had to work with someone like Sid, he'd be the co worker you hate the most.

Yeah, that one loves him apparently, but I imagine he's he was not easy to be around.

Yeah, he's he's he's he's kind of a pain in the ass, the salt of the earth. He knows how to ye, he knows how to keep people in his good graces, but the second you get in the way of his convenience, you're fucked. Like he doesn't care about you anymore. But you can be useful to him. You know. That's different than right, him being a nice guy.

Right.

This is from Meyer Mania the Homie Sean Let's hit It Boss.

In early nineteen ninety nine, between his stintson WW ANDWCW, I had the privilege of seeing Sid in Quincy, Illinois. Harley Race had just started World League Wrestling the WLW, a nice little indie outfit in the Midwest that still exists around Saint Louis. To hype his TV taping at the Quincy High Gym. He booked the Master and Ruler of the World. This was my first pro wrestling show. I was in seventh grade from a town of roughly one hundred people and going to Quincy, population forty thousand

Who is it?

Oh, Sean? Oh?

I thought you cut out for a second. Oh no, Well, there's absolutely great stuff, Anthony writes to your co chairs. I liked at the time to memorialize it of that fucking cast to help do that. Sid isn't a guy that comes to mind when you think about your wrestling with Aunt Rushmore or even your top twenty favorite wrestlers of all time. But he had something very rare, and

Yeah, exactly.

My favorite memory of Sid and when I always treasure, was attending the nineteen ninety six Survivor series as an eight year old. Wow, I'd imagine my excitement as my parents told me the day of the show that we were going to go. I still remember that train ride to Madith the Square Garden, checking all the wrestling magazines of the new stand in Time Square, seeing people were encroasting makeup in the garden, which made me feel uneasy as I was a huge WWF fan. The garden wasn't

Because that's yep. I mean, hey, you know what, I'll tell you what. I had a similar experience the opposite way the year prior when I went to that Worcester in High Gear Tour show and I go there expecting the bou Shawn Michaels, and everyone's cheering for him, and I'm like, well, I guess I better cheer for Shawn Michaels.

It was an electric night and something I never experienced before. I never saw the top face get turned on in my fandom. SidD the power to do that here in New York, first against hulccan at ninety two Rumble and again against Don Michael's. I will choose to remember the nights, the highs rather of Sid's career and how fun it was to be a fen during his ninety one ninety two run and the fall of ninety six, where the

Yeah, just just for the fact that he's he's got those those giant fists, you know, and he can do the he can do the club into the back.

Yeah, perfect, yep, And it just it just it's the only figure that actually looks like Sid, right, it resembles him. The hair works in the back, the musculature is right, he's a little taller than the other figures. It's great. And he's got the sing lead on which was to cover the stab, the the the surgery scar from the broken ribs. As we found out, Blake, the Master, who would ever say the Jacks Sid is their favorite? Why even't put that on there? Honestly, that thing was a nightmare.

I mean it looked so weird.

Toy sucked.

I mean his face was horrible, horrible. His eyes were just like white dots. Yeah, and they were like wide eyed, like. It looked very weird.

Blake writes, the Master and Ruler, it feels like a darker place without Sid. I know he didn't give a fuck, and that's why we love him. We admire his business view of this Carney circus that has ruined our one chance on this rock we call earth. I think that's the intangible that he had that people couldn't put their finger on. Everyone wants to not give a fuck, and no one knows how except Sid. The man left a

Is that it? Yep? Imagine working in a shooting range. I mean Bend was shooting range before?

About it?

Okay, working work?

Get your ask. Yeah, you can't go out there having fake fights at the shooting range. Okay. I think that's where Tony van Silva was a shooting range and I think so too. Okay. A tool Belt for Daddy has an interesting take on our premium live event live calls on Patreon. He says, the tag the co chairman used is we watch you don't have to, But the truth is I watch so I can also listen to the live call.

There we go.

The reason people watch modern WWE how weird is that? That's I'm sorry, Roshan Patel, thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome into the inner circle. Triple Biz writes. Vince sleeps in one of those water tanks from Empire strikes back.

Oh yes, yes he does.

He does.

With a fucking you know, with a mouthpiece, you know, like a face mask. There, Yes, he's and then when he's uh yeah, when he wakes up, he floats up to the top.

Twenty twenty four was a year of pulling random shows for the entirety of our you know, actual formal show coverage on the main field, and that men ECW and that men Living Dangerously and that meant that Roberta decided that it's time to write this email about a night that Roberta spent in the midst in two thousand.

Greeting as coach chairman, just writing in to share some bleak memories that your ECW Living Dangerously episode dislodged about one of the longest, dumbest nights of my life. This period was the peak of my contrarianism infected wrestling fandom. I was laid to the dirt sheets wrestling Internet, but when I discovered it I became one of those kinds

Awesome.

A man with a mustache, glasses, jean shorts, and black graphic shirt danced alone on a dance floor to DMX's party up. I can't shake this one. This is where I really started to rethink my fandom. The oldest member of our group was fixated on getting a picture with Justin Credible. He kept blowing us off but telling us to stick around, so we had to stick around. I called my mom more than once to let her know my arrival. ETA was getting later and later, tired and

No.

About ten minutes from home at four am, We've got pulled over. We were definitely out way past local curfew laws. We show the police our autographs to back up our story. I wish I knew what was going through their heads. Mercifully, my mom was too relieved I wasn't dead to be mad at me when I walked in. About seven hours later, two guys in the group came over to ask if I wanted to go with them to Peoria for that night's ECWTV taping. My mom laughed in their faces and

That that's as east W as memories of guests right there, man, yep, and a huge miss huge, a missed opportunity. Uh you know when the Misfits and Action were created in w CW by Vince Russo, famously, Hugh Morris was renamed Hugh g Erection. Remember that, Yes, I would suggest in the email, or maybe think of it. Hugh Gin person might be.

I mean good for for Gracian Yeah.

H h g h middle named g I N last name person. Yeah, yeah it works. That does sound like such a great atmosphere of Boston. Are you so mad you missed all those ECW shows?

Yeah, I'm so. I imagine that the arena smelled like piss and shit, uh and and peppers and onions. Sure, so I'm good. I'm good never having experienced that, never wanting to, never desiring it, never needing it.

Well, A tool belt for Daddy has Living Dangerously memories as well. Greetings co chairs.

Listening to.

Listening to the Living Dangerously two thousand rundown reminded me of the first ECW event that came through the Saint Louis area, which I attended April sixteen of that year, a mere week after Awesome debuted Mike Austin and WCW in two days after dropping the belt to Taz. While labeled as Russell Palooza two thousand, it was essentially just a TV taping and if memory serves, was more of an Angle Palooza. But I digress Taz was not on the show.

The Angle Pull.

Day prior was a fan fest that we attended.

Sounds like a Curt Angle special.

I kind of like that, like just to a show that's only angles. Yeah, Angle Pollute.

It's called a Vince Russo book.

I know exactly, I've seen it before. The day prior there was a fan fast that we attended. We bought posters that we got autographed by a dozen or so of the guys in true CW fashion. The poster was left over from an April seventh event in Warren, Ohio, and still featured Mike Awesome as schedule to appear. On my poster, Sally crossed out Mike Ausam's name, prompting Mikey

He's also got soft spots in his fat ass as well.

Yes, man, Yeah, that was it. That was an era, man, That was the time to be an ECW fan, That's for sure. That's a unique one, so thanks very much for those. That's of course, part of our Living Dangerously two thousand coverage, which is Mike Awesome leaving the company and the details on his contract coming to WCW and all that and his last pay per view appearance as

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Sorrow Blake wants us to know that Jr's heel persona was amazing. We talked about it and Unburied Alive nineteen ninety six. He doesn't think it was good because he doesn't understand who he really is.

Oh shit, yes, that's exactly.

Joe writes, happy follow the JP. This is obviously we're going back a bit since officially past Labor Day. I've been going back and forth on what to write you guys for about a month. Still can't decide because there is just too much. Long story short. I came upon the podcast in the most lapsed way. I just downloaded all your old episodes from the way back machine and loaded up a new MP three player. I immediately joined Patreon, because pay for what you support. That's the key. Joe,

And you will be rewarded.

And that's the thing. It's all you get nothing out of it. Have wrestling gifts. Longtime supporter. Great to see Pa again. Thanks for the support, man, Frank from Askogie. We appreciate the cake. We appreciate all that you do, Ryan writes. During this Jack and JP joked about having Summer Slam in February, which sounds absurd.

But I'm surprised they don't.

Honest man, he points out, if it would occurs somewhere in the southern Hemisphere, like Australia, then it could accurately be called Summer Slam because.

They could be Yeah, you know, you could have Summer Slam, you know, anywhere, honestly, Yeah, anywhere below the equator. Summer Slam could happen in the winter, and should happen in the winter, that right, you think? So, yeah, our winter, Yeah, would have to. I tell you it's what it's actually a dream of mine. I want to go down to.

That.

There's a there's a city at the southernmost tip of South America called Ushuaia, and they have a massive winter Solstice party, like an event celebration, but it's their winter Solstice, so it's June. Wow, so I want to go in June. Like I was like, you know, I've I've experienced winter where it's warm, but I've never experienced my summer when it's cold, and I want to do that.

I've never even heard of that. That's crazy.

Yeah, I had I did a thing for uh when my kid was in like kindergarten. They had us put on a you know, they had us put on a show for them, Like they said, can you you know, they want us to arrange a holiday like a non denominational holiday party, a holiday show with the kids and stuff. And I was like, all right, well when we go hard on this and like pick a bunch of different like random right, you know, winter celebrations. And then I found I like, well, wait a minute, you know, not

Wow, I've never heard of this in my whole life.

Yeah, yeah, it's wild. I want to go. I want to go, although the thought of the plane ride does fucking turn me completely off.

But oh, what's the total what's the total damage on that?

I have no idea. I did look it up one time, but I haven't done it in a while. It's it's in Argentina and it's like way way way down. Yeah, and uh, I would love yet, I'd love I would love to go. And I think I think I think you can even take I don't maybe I maybe I I imagine this or not. I don't know, but I think you can take like I don't know, like it's close enough to Antarctica, like you can take you know,

Yeah, that must be a multi multi hop journey.

Oh yeah, I would imagine. So I mean it's way way.

Down multiple forms of transit there.

I imagine that that Apple Maps would not have a an easy an easy route maybe Nationals. Actually, I bet it does.

It doesn't sound like a direct trip, let's put it that way.

No, no, no, I'd probably have to make a couple of stops.

Well, unfortunately for us, Tim made a stop at a liquor store in Rhode Island over the summer because hul Cogan was out promoting his beer. Remember this is America whatever it was called, weel American beer and.

Is he going to be the secretary of of of embibment.

It's zero to beer, of tobacco, alcohol and fire.

There we go.

Yeah, yes, yes, it means to be seen.

Haul Cogan was doing a tour Rhode Island liquor stores on August twenty seventh and August twenty eighth in support of his beer Bent brand, Real American Beer. I waited in line for several hours at Heritage Liquors in Cramson, Rhode Island to get my chance to meet him, and figured I would mention Sid since I had just rewatched their match following his passing, I recorded the attached audio. The first part is muffled because his agent or handler took my phone to take photos, but it clears up

Oh we've got a dispatch from the field. What do you say you want to hear from the.

I got to hear this ship.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, it's it's always three.

That's I know.

It's so said, always like that freaks me out.

Yeah he was. He was a little different.

Oh yeah, I'm.

Sure you got story. Is little good. I'm sure you got story. You want to hear me? Yeah?

Bad?

Thanks man, take care?

Hey, thank you. That brought freaks me out. He's always a little different, freaking out. You're talking to me, brother, that freaks me out.

H It comes in threes, dude, could I be am? I wait a minute? Am I the third man?

Who who roller?

Wait?

Monkeys. Yep, good point, that's exactly it. John wants this monkeys.

John wants us to know that comedian Patrese O'Neill wrote for WWE in two thousand.

Boss Oh Boy, Oh Boy, the late great stand up comedian, spent perhaps the shortest stint on WB's creative team as anyone in history, sometime around November of two thousand. As the story goes, according to Patrise O'Neil's manager, Jason Steinberg, quote, someone from WE at the time saw Patrese perform one night in New York, and shortly after that we were

Oh, come on, that's unfair that the.

Vibe felt like, quote you can do the rest of your life. When Vince says so.

It's so true, man, so true. And we've heard that. It's like over and over again from people who come out the other side. It's like, yeah, he doesn't say you can't have a life, but you don't know when you can have a life. Like, Okay, I guess I'm working this Saturday month morning and afternoon. I thought it was my day off, but Vince decided that there's something that has to be resolved today.

I didn't say you had a day off, right exactly. I didn't say, hey, you know, you can take the next two days to yourself and enjoy your family, enjoy the night off, go out to the town. I didn't say that. I said good night, Wow, see you.

In the wow, see you in the morning. And Vince needs it now. Vince needs you now. It's not complicated.

Aren't you having fun?

Right?

This is fun?

Your dream job.

Working is life, Life is work, Life is a work.

What Robbie oh Sullivan, Welcome to the ept or, Nathan Cooper, Chris Jones, s L Brown, Matias Soto Ramirez. How about ah ah ah you coming in with the big pledge, Lucky Lugucci and Matt Anderson and Justin Schiller and William Lenhart. We want to thank everybody for ledging to that cast on Patreon and helping it, help making it more than even a going concern. Justin Wrights. I discovered your show after watching the movie Iron Claw. This is a new way,

Wow.

I was totally ready for a lasting golden era of wrestling. After the con Continental Arena exploded when Booker t put Steve Austin through the announced table. Sadly it was not to be. I was lapsed again after the Invasion pay per view, as were so many As were so many between going to college, the brand split, pissing me off, no NWL one flair, I just gave up. Fast forward

Yep, right, Well, it's about time you find a particular podcast.

Yeah, in a particular orifice. Scott Michael Ferry such a great, such a great observer of wrestle Mamia on the moat tier and he wrote this one that I had to save and read. This episode is twenty one minutes long, but it probably took me thirty minutes to get through it because I kept rewinding to hear how hard Jack burst into laughter right after Mama Sorrow said that a street signed to the temple could be death. Do you

Tell you my mom fears nothing more than getting hit in the temple, hyper specific all right, like that, like like that is a I remember the first time she told me. And you know, I've never even looked this up to see if this was true or not, but like that, if you get hit in the temple, you could die. Yeah, right, is that true? Yeah, if you could hit anywhere in the head, you could die. But well, all right, I mean yeah trying that's not like specifically the temple.

I think the temple can knock you out like a little more easily. Yeah.

Well, she's like basically any blow to the head to the temple and you die, right, you know that's she's been like fear of God about that.

I mean, you're going back and forth.

I was a kid.

I actually because Scott Michael pointed that out. I went back and like listened to one hundred times Left Massa because it's like if I remember, it's been a while now, but if I remember, correct, You're going back and forth with your mom about you know, the danger of hitting some of the stop sign and it's hit him in the temple, and you go, that could be serious injury. She goes, well, it could be death. She like she

Absolutely, I know, I know, I I yes, gotta gotta kind of get her going on some of that show.

That's a pleasure. Brett recalls that this is the U when you were doing Vince's voice on The Buried a live episode and Jim Ross is in his full heel mode and Vince is trying to you know, kind of big legalm and pretend to be more refined than JR. Yes, And at one point, I don't remember this, Vince says, I probably don't. He is a barbecue fan. Where Brett nails it when he says laps Vince will always be the undisputed champion, and that turned out to be true in the t lf X games Man, and that is

Yeah go and yeah, absolutely the homie s Connecticut fucking sent us a fifty dollars gift card to Nardelli's.

Oh so put that to use because there's none close to me.

No, it's a Connecticut thing. Oh it is only Connecticut, I think, or at least that they're at least that's I've never seen them outside of Connecticut. Maybe like maybe close to the border in New York, but not not other than that, right man.

That's uh, that's awesome. We appreciate that. And I couldn't do this, but I appreciated. Christopher Grieve, who's such a wonderful guy, such a great Solar System member, so awesome Mote Tier series as it gets there for you, sent us some cheese on PayPal, and he wanted us to do a live call of Hulk's RNC address.

Oh I can't go that. I can't.

Yeah, let us know, let us know if you want to back man, because I I thought about it. It's like, now as soon as we go there, it's over, you know what I mean. Ethan Suppley, who's Ethan Suppley.

Oh he's an actor.

Okay, this is tim. I don't know if you guys read episode comments and Patreon. But Jared Saines brought up a point that I replied to regarding Ethan so plays connection to wrestling. Figured I would tip you guys in case you ignore comments like I usually do. Okay, Ethan slip papers and mal Rats and also played Vader's son and Boy Meets World. Is that qualifying for mal Rats laying the son of Vader.

No, because he needs to actually wrestle. It needs to be some kind of legit wrestling connection. But it's close. It's a good effort. I will say that because mal Rats is. But there's actually I mean, look, mall Rats is actually easier really than we all think.

Is it because of Burnley?

No? No, actually not even well, I mean that that's possible, but actually, uh, Kevin Smith himself, because Kevin Smith went like a three episode story thing on AE. That counts. That absolutely counts. I mean that opens up Kevin Smith. Well, I don't know if all of Kevin Smith.

If that, if that counts wall Rats, then maybe we don't need to read what I just sent you. I want to just put it in your back pocket. But the whole Brodie Lee character that that uh you know, the former debuties lu Carper played was inspired by the movie as well, and it was laid out very cleanly in the email I just sent you.

Yeah, take it, take a read. People are interested. There you go on an email, the email.

Everyone wants to wall rats to qualify so bad.

Yeah, read the email. It Mike co co chairs and analyzers of anal assimilation for a long time. I'm a longtime listener who remains comfortable being a free loading bitch, mostly because I am a sole breadwinner of a family of three. You're philosophical, but uh no, no, I mean there's society. Your philosophical banter about stage combat and simulated athletics keeps me entertained during mundane household chores like sweeping, vacuuming, mopping,

No one needs to be in the agenda for twenty twenty four boss.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's uh. I think that's fair. I think that's fair. A mall rats. I love mal Right, man, I love all of you know the Kevin Smith movies.

Oh yeah, yeah, he had such a he had such a hold on the culture for a while there.

It's like, yeah, and I mean, you know, he's uh, it's such a if you watch I mean, I can watch his movies, and I do enjoy his movies, but man, they there are there are not many movies that reek so hard of the nine. Yeah, as his movie, that's so true. I mean.

You mean time. It's not a negative thing.

Not a negative thing, not a negative thing. It's just like you you you know, he he was, he was part of that that mid nineties independent film boom.

Yeah, absolutely, when you had so many, so many of these kind of like you know, student filmish like movies.

Yep, My god, so many people coming in mall rats. Now that I'm looking through this, Wow, they want it back right. It's it's there, It's there, It'll come good. It's good to know it's big. It's a big confirmation here on this episode. So a slew of thanks here.

Yes.

What was.

What was key about that to my memory is that, first of all, it's like the sound of the little rocks on the parking lot crunching under his boots.

Yes.

And it's that he's not he's not like blasting through people to get to the food. The food's inside. There are people outside. He's not just hitting them. He's like pursuing them, even after he's knocked them over. Like he's not pushing them out of the way. He's trying to fright them and defeat them and then go get the food a fox him up basically.

Well, And I remember the thing that I loved the most too, was that there was there was like an idea of a guy who like didn't know, you know, he's trying to get out of the way but he keeps going the same way as Vader. He can't get it. He can't get it right.

That's odd.

He fucking gets killed.

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Yes, even in twenty oh four. The first iconic hero of wrestling for me was Hulk fucking Hogan. To think about that, Think about people who discovered Hulk Hogan during the two thousand and three run That's Insane. Let me explain. I was first introduced to the sport of kings to the second PS two WW SmackDown game, Shut your mouth. After that I took some interest in the product, though wouldn't say I really became a hardcore fan until couple of years later. However, in two thousand and three, I

She show it.

I know she made I.

Don't have to show them. I mean she might have, like you know then you know, quote unquote, you know nude.

Maybe she did. Actually, I know she made out with Torri on that pay per view. I watched that more than once, but I don't know if she ever should because now I'm actually wondering if she did. I know, of course the cat did. That was the only time I thought they ever went ahead and did it on Yeah.

Well, and then you had uh Jacqueline always fucking right, losing it all the time.

And said was doing a sable rather Sable was doing a strip tease in between segments with Hogan beating on Piper and fucking two thousand and three, Yeah, I remember that. That was That was when Vince was after her and she ended up going with Brock. And it's probably closed a couple times on that fucking.

Deal, I imagine.

Honestly, I wasn't watching week to week. I couldn't even watch SmackDown for years. But outside of the occasional raw, I could peer my eye into the world of wrestling through this five and a half hour mixtape. Except I could watch this whenever I wanted, not only on Monday nights. I have to say, as a nine year old kid,

That's right, nor should you. He's in his face right now, Oh on a stupid baby face, fat face.

Why poor guy's sending me control that he's a bad ass.

Can't stand him.

He's not a bad look at his face.

He's a bitch. He's an idiot. Oh shit, Solo so CoA. If he's Solo suck you say anyone's name like that, He's only idiots souls and look at he's just a dufus, just a complete dufis.

Chocolate equals Detriment pointed this out from the lapsed funk. I bet you don't remember saying this laps fucking four hours and thirty three seconds quote. I'm gonna touch you where you stink, and I want you to accept it, understand it, and celebrate it. There's something gems in there, man, that it's gonna take a long time to resurface. But the hours and hours. We were in a trance, a

Oh yeah, just.

That smell of like someone else's stuff, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it hadn't been touched in twenty five years.

Because there's a hint of that mustiness to it.

Yeah, like you know, you get an idea of what his living room smelled like. You know, yep, yep, My god, Kevin McClory. You think our homie Steve in Ireland doesn't have thoughts on this guy ooh from the Bond film. It's amazing to me that McClory tried to make himself out of his rags to riches story. He was born and lived in doing log Hair, a very wealthy part of the city that had a lot of British presence

I love this.

Why do you love it? Tell people who don't know I love.

This because again, he comes, he comes across, he talks about himself like he's this, like he's this underdog, but he's really just a fucking failure.

Well, he's a fraud as far as an underdog, that's absolutely a failure. He succeeded, I would say.

No, not at all. He had no money when he died. Well, yeah, but he had nothing. Got what he wanted though, No, no, no he did not, especially especially since his estate gave it all away.

Yeah. No, he'd be horrified to know what happened after he passed. Kevin McClory just quickly. This is a guy who claimed co authorship rights to a lot of the Bond.

Ip Yes, yeah, he well he yeah he. He actually wrote the first ever Bond script prior to Kubby Brockley coming on board with Ian Fleming. And Ian Fleming then they they end up separating on a very sour note, and Fleming took what they'd written and made Thunderball, made the book Thunderball, and thus started and didn't give credit or didn't give a paycheck or anything, and thus started an incredible a fifty year battle, a fifty year battle.

Obsessed with winning this fight, obsessed with basically being owed every red scent that the Bond franchise ever made.

Yeah, he was really insisting owned. He created Bond and deserved to own Bond. And he just spent his entire life with this vendetta with only one victory, not two victories. I guess where he got to produce the Thunderball film on alongside Kubby Brockley and Harry Saltzman, but then also make his Thunderball remake with Sean Connery. But besides that, I mean, he just failure. It's a complete shit show. Yeah, total.

Matthew writes. I don't know why Jesse the Body Ventura claiming asylum in Budapest made me laugh out loud, but it did.

I don't know why they laugh either. It's fucking funny.

It is funny. Jesse Ventor is saying Budapest like it's a city everybody knows which it is.

But you know why, I've been to Budapest, you know, and I've been there and I claim asylum.

He's saying Budapest because he thinks you're going to be impressed that he knows what Budapest is.

It's exactly what it is. I mean, you know, I've been all over the traveled the world. I'm a globe trotter, not ashamed to admit it. And you know, sometimes when we're out there doing these things, and you know, I say, you know what, I think it's about time I claim, as Shylom in Budapesh.

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All right. Joe Boys Joe from Denton, the county seat of Denton County, forty miles north of Don Hondolas. I think Texans emphasized our geography, he writes, because it is so plainly unremarkable. Anyway, I sent you a tongue in cheek tweet inquiring about your thoughts on HUK to his future endeavors, and you asked me to post the question an email, so for posterity stake, I'm going to post the tweet verbatim, and then I'll provide some context as to why and what the hell the tweet was a

It's actually it's actually, you know, it's I I there are some people that I know and and I see on their social media, and it's actually disturbing how many how people have the the I mean, it's it's the social media internet protection, you know, that weird thing of asking these women when are you gonna start an only fan?

It's like the only thing people care about.

Now, right, people like just and it's like, I mean it's because I ask you this. I mean, this is what when it comes down to it. And that's actually what I tell my kid all the time. When when you know, when she you know, is texting some some you know kind of like any kind of bully shit or or some stuff, she's doing it necessarily on purpose. I mean, she's getting it from all these things. And I say, would you say that to their face? If you would say that to their face, then say it

Yeah, you know, yeah, it's not a pseudonym.

I'm not. I'm I going underneath a you know type and stuff and like running away basically, you know, like being a little fucking chip like I mean, yeah, you know, it's just it's yeah, I I I can't, I really can't stand it.

Like, let's just fucking stop it. It's all because phones made everything better, right and uh you know it's all get rich quick. That's always that. That's our fatal that's our that's our our achilles heel in this country and it always will be.

And and listen, I'm not there's no I actually have no issue with you know if you with people doing OnlyFans. I mean I've I've heard some incredible success stories of people who are just making a ton of money and they're able to kind of keep their own integrity. And it's not like you know, but it's just this idea that anybody has, the like where do you get the entitlement to fucking tell somebody you should you should go on this website so that I can pay to see you nude.

It's and it's just like it's not like it'sn't telling the person, it's just like asking is there one this this supposition.

Or are you going to do it? But I mean it's the should, it's the you should do this, you should do this.

If a girl is a certain age, like the internet convinces itself that they could coax them to do it, and you know what, they probably can. Like I was thinking the other day, like, you know, we didn't have sexting, like only fans, Like I mean, god, Uber turned everyone in a cab driver, and this is gonna turn everyone in a porn star. Yeah right, Because it seems you deal drugs in the hood. It's like you go to McDonald's and make you know, minimum wage, which is higher

And I just don't know shit about it.

If you know, if you're in high school today, you're just waiting to see the nudes, yep, exactly, just waiting to see the nudes, and when they become a.

Vade, waiting to get off your your your parents, uh finances, so you can start paying for the ship on your own.

And what happens when nobody wants to pay for your only fans anymore? Because that's coming. What's next, Yeah, I know that's gonna be. The platforms new enough that most people are still young.

Somebody's gonna get bored. We're still in the earl, gonna get bored. Somebody's gonna get bored. And you're gonna get old unless people are gonna want to look at it. Yep.

And you're not gonna save that money. You're gonna by all kinds of things to convince yourself that you've hacked life and can afford a lifestyle that will have no consistency to it. The earning. The earning stream will have no consistency to it. There will be like a year where all of a sudden, you make sixty percent less than you made, and you're gonna have all these fucking

I never believe it when you say that.

Growing up in Ireland, Steve says, you'd be amazed by how many characters like McRory you meet in day to day life completely agree with the co chairs that it boiled down to Ireland versus Britton feelings. This is back

There about even Fleming looking down McClory because he was Irish. Yep.

I think that's probably most of it. And he's such a stubborn fuck that he just made it his lifelong obsession and didn't have as much to do with Bond a claim on Bond as it had to do with his politics and his.

No And I always said too, I think it's a mix of that. I also think it's just came having a chip on his shoulder. I think that if if if there had been if if Fleming had given him money or given him credit on the book, or even mentioned, hey, I'm going to turn this one into a book. I'll give you credit for it, then nothing would have happened. It all stemmed from the fact that Fleming didn't give credit in any way to Kevin McClory or give him

Well basically let me know if you disagree with this, Kevin McClory.

I completely agree with that.

Al from Queen's has an interesting one. First time, long time congratulations on tlf X. I have one question that I'm hoping you'll answer. Tlf started ten years ago based in the premise that it used to be better. My question is this, was it better ten years ago when you started TLF than it is today? So not was it better when we were you know, young, and I'm better in twenty fourteen?

Well?

Was?

I mean twenty fourteen, that's the thing, right, I remember.

Well, the prospects for the network were better, that's for sure.

Yeah, I mean the network was better.

Sure, the idea of this like emerging way that we could watch everything WW had and the vault was fucking intoxicating and led to the creation of the show. I couldn't possibly be that excited now about that because it's going in the opposite direction. We've had it and it's been taken away from us a little bit in Peacock and now even more coming up in terms of ease of access. Ye. Yeah, I mean it was kind of before politics was about you know, who's going to lead

Yeah.

Yeah, that's fucking annoying. It's uh see twenty fourteen, what else was better? There weren't as many like empty haulied out stores and stuff.

Yeah no, no, yeah, we were still in a pre COVID America just.

Or world significantly, so we just lost Party City. Those are all closing. Wow, it's like, fuck, that's I think that sucks. Don't give a care if Party City is open. I just mean, like, you know, in general, like you didn't have to Yeah when when stuff like that starts going away, Yeah, you didn't feel like anything that has hitting history to it is on the brink of fucking leveraged bankruptcy. Bullshit fucking you know, can't pay its debt,

Well also too, you know that the pictures don't to me, weren't as much of a of a of of of a problem as it is these these short videos, these TikTok videos. But now everyone has everyone's doing them, and you know, and there's just no there's like, there's no

I was like, like they have disabilities, like they're acting like they have like like spontaneous impulse control problems, you know, like they have to they have problems. They have to dance. Everyone's dancing. Nothing against dancing, but George Carlin once said, you know, people who are dancing appear insane to those who can hear the music, and.

Which is actually funny because I did do one of those. We went to a wedding and it was a very small I.

Mean I see people like this on the street.

But they have you dance in the headphones. They like, give you a headphones.

Ye mean, I saw that.

It's so fucking funny. It actually is the most funniest thing.

Is Yeah, when you have the headphones on though, it's like totally fine.

Just right right, But then you know, I took video of it. And it's just like you're just a bunch of fucking idiots moving.

From you hear their shoes clapping on the ground while right, yeah, it's spectacular, and that's that's where we're at. To me, to me, like, if it's on TikTok, I can't hear the music, I just hear I just see people acting like.

But it's also the way that TikTok has you know, I'm not a fan of TikTok. I think TikTok is a complete disease and I hate it. I hate it because it's it's an attention ruinings yes, uh form of escapism, and so I I don't let my kid go on TikTok. And actually I recently took just pretty much all videos away and it was funny. So the the other day, you know, she was like, well, can I have you know, can I can I still use Pinterest? And I was like, yeah, fine, Pinterest,

It's not like we can say, choose this path. It's the only path.

Because they need it. They're gonna need it. They're going to need their phone, and I get that, but it's also like they they when they're there. We were all adults when we got these phones, and we kind of understand, you know, we understand what it is like, we understand what is going on with this, and yes, maybe we all get sucked in sometimes is where scrolling through something. But at the same time, I'm not getting manipulated by it.

It's amazing how I'm supposed to be this great democratizing technology and supposed to give us access to all kinds of perspectives and the styles, trends, thoughts, outlooks that different from ours. That was the promise of the Internet, and in connected.

It will it will at some point, it will when when they fucking everyone seems to use it to make sure that they're exactly like everybody else, right, which is hilarious because why do you even need the phone then just copy each other, right, And I mean it's like it's funny because the whole idea is that, you know, these kinds of things were supposed to open the idea, open the mind to being more yourself than not.

Not it's not that at all, because that's boring, Like, you know, yeah, the Arab Spring. It's like, you know, Facebook leading to like cultural revolution in a country that then installs a government that's ten times worse because the will of the people. It's like, we've been through enough repetitions of pretending that this technology is going to set us free, and we realize that in almost every case, the unintended consequences overwhelm any positive effect it has for

I don't know.

Thanks a lot for putting us down that road, Joe. So let's see. David said, Tina Turner was the face of the new South Wales rugby League. So we're trying to get Tina for something that's supposed to qualify a movie. Do you know why people bring up Tina Turner for cinema? I don't know, I remember either.

I don't remember why.

Brett and the Heart's still in their pjs. Jeff bretton the heart's still in their pj's presents, all open, kids playing with the new toys. Brett smiles at the bounty he is able to provide his family and looks at watch his watch to realize that Christmas story is about to start fresh when the cordless rings stir it.

Man, I'm on, crackhead, I cead.

You just joined Christmas a second ago.

Uh here smoke crack creaky Huh do you know that that's good will hunting qualified? Because an hour Summer SLAMO five episode Edge tells Vince, it's not your fault, over and over. It's not your fault. You're from North Carolina. Uh no, no, unfortunately, not unfortunately, not to.

That aforementioned phone call, Andrew says, picturing Davy's Christmas phone called to Brett, and Davy is actually calling from the next room.

Oh yes, that's that is exactly it is that Davy is dabe. Oh how'd you find me?

I was.

I was in different places.

And poly cautiously, I picture steam Beat walking up to his opponent with a cup of coffee like Lumberg and office space. Yeah, let's talk about the finish. Ricky steam Cup goes up to somebody. You guys hanging out? Are you friends?

Yeah? What's going on? Guys? What are you doing? Yeah? Only here to talk about the match? Yeah, no, okay, all.

Right, only here? Uh Brett wants. Brett wants a tournament of runners up into l f X. Like characters that weren't able to make it, like Lap Sean Connery laps, local businessman whose business is disrupted by a movie abyss Hult Cogan, but the action adventure comedy star Diana Hart, Shane Douglass, Shawn Michaels, Hogan, Linda Hogan.

I'm sorry. I like the idea of Hulk Hogan, not the wrestler, but the action movie star, adventure comedy star. That's fucking money.

It's something to think about. It won't happen, but I guess it's fun to think about. Uh, Tim, Well, Tim, thank you. I read the email about the Princess Diana thing, and I understand that it wasn't just a pop Rozzi to blame, but apparently her driver. Did you know this? Her driver was trashed?

I didn't know that. Actually I did not know that her drivercohol is a problem.

We were talking about her, of course, in the context of some of the British premiers that we took in.

Yeah because she was there and yeah before she met her demise.

Lucky Night ct writes on her ECW coverage. To me, ECW's popularity was its doom. It was at its best when watching it felt transgressive. Staying up until twelve to one am and flipping channels because you weren't sure who they mailed the tape to this week was part of the experience. Once I got regular TV, a big part of the magic was gone, he declares. Jeff writes ECW ECW don Kallis looks like a local radio DJ whose show was brought down when Howard Stern came into the market.

Absolutely agree with that.

Jerome likes the Living Dangerously two thousand episode because we talked about Mike Costumes ECW contract and delve into it deeply. And so he says, this podcast allows us to tell anyone who asks that we listen to a legal analysis podcast whereby documents are discussed and broken down for better understanding.

Of contract law. It's not wrong.

I mean, look, you can say it if you need to. Abel I agree with what that. I agree with Entertainment from Phoenix Abel co chairs. Like so many others in the Solar system, I love hearing about Eric Bischoff's slow moving but smart equipped ranch life, especially when it involves what he eats. Although many although many of his older social media posts Pretna are now deleted, I can distinctly remember one where Bischoff described his evening dinner after recently

Here we go. That's very funny, William wants to know.

Now, I'm curious. Was Jim's cheese steak named in the ECW bankruptcy. I would think that if uber Eats existed, then there would have been a constant stream of cheese steak deliveries to Big sal And, seeing how these guys weren't even getting their seventy five dollars pay days, there would have to be some kind of tab or line of credit between gyms and AJHG Corp. Tremendous. Oh. The ECW game William Hilarious for PlayStation William says was absolutely

Listen, it's not a bad life. I'm not making fun of the life. I'm making fun of him.

Living my life. It's him.

It's him, all right, because it's so phony, all right, that's the problem. I think of him whenever I see Yellowstone on TV. Yeah, of course, I'm sure he thinks of him severaltimes.

He's also someone I gotta find this before you read this next thing, Oh Christopher, he writ some Patreon I'm picturing easy listening to this, all set to be offended at any mention of him and starting to vent when the coach here is get to the last thirty minutes, then he hears the comment about the butter churn from sharper Image and realize this, you have a point.

Exactly, It's exactly. It's about he's about to like he's he's like on the verge of going into a rant, and then he's like, oh, yeah, you know he wants it.

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Hey coachairs. Listening to the latest ECW episode and the guy talking about the myth of the Paul Hayman kool Aid compelled me to write you all an email when the wrestler says it wasn't the Paul Hayman kool aid, it was being on TV that kept those guys little ecw It got me thinking about again how TLF uses pro wrestling of the nineties and two thousands as a

Yes, Jeff, that's an almost perfectly written email. Man. I say almost because I want to try to say something about it, but it's all there. It's so true. It's so true. I mean, when you chase relevance, you serve everyone but yourself. You serve the algo, you serve the platform owners, you serve the people who don't have to worry about being relevant. They just somehow are able to tax your work and get a little little bit of it.

Right, or if we just you know, had the right video.

Right exactly, And we don't really know what it means. We don't really know what it gets us to be famous. We just know we want to find out right, right. It's the Counting Crow song. It's uh, mister Jones, it's we all want to be big, big stars, but we don't know why, and we don't know how.

Mm hmm.

Yeah. And that's that's the thing is so many people find out that like it's just it's all, there's no money to be made, Like you're just now if you're a creative person, you're now just giving it away in the hopes that I don't know, it's it's no different than hoping someone discovers you would have fucking you know, at to Speak Easy or at a fucking nightclub. Yeah, a big digital place where you hope someone finds you. It's very strange. It's very strange thing that people everyone

But I mean, hey, you know it's no different than than Wizard of Oz and yeah, sure, Schwabs Schwab's Pharmacy and sitting there hoping somebody sees you put you in a picture so good. You know, it's just a different way of doing it. I mean, in a weird way that's at least better because it required you to go to something right, and so you know, you had to go to California and then go to Schwabs and buy a fucking you know soda.

It's self selected in a way for people who at least cared enough to make the trip right, and who cared enough to scrounge together the money to afford the trip. And now there's no barrier to entry, and there's a million applications and the reason the one person gets picked is is completely arbitrary. And you know, Tktua is Hoktua because this guy walked up to her when she was

Yeah.

I mean that's that they didn't have anything to say yet. They didn't have anything to.

Say yet, and and the and that's the I mean, that's that's that's exactly it. Like they want to find they want the they want the status, but they don't want to put the work in.

They don't want to live a life so that they actually have something to say. They want to just say things. It's like all right, or look hot. It's like, oh god, right, right, Michaelson writes to us after the Bird Alive show. I know it was, yeah, it was bird Alive. We're talking about what the first Undertaker Mankind match was on TV, and he points out that there's a Colosseum video that has an Undertaker Mankind dark match that we had called out as not He'd pointed it out and we said,

Wow.

So I actually had more resonance that I bet micro Tunda had any idea.

I'm sure he's just doing a stupid gimmick.

Jeff says Ian Fleming would be a creepy ass deviant art redditor and not an author if he came along today.

Oh absolutely, And I mean still be smoking a cigar with a cigar, I mean cigarette with a cigarette.

Holder, and just two more before we kick it over to Blake as we finally do the house cleaning that can only be necessary around the first of the year. This one's from Amber I Gabe. Yeah, well, get what did I say?

Is it?

Blake?

Oh? I have a letter from another letter. It's just a quick closing thought from Blake, and then we go to and actually, isn't it isn't Blake, It's Ben Blake. But this quickly from Amber dear co chairs. I'm visiting my partner's folks for a few weeks, and while they are nice people, it's been a bumpy few days because I came out to them as a trans woman roughly a week before. They are both conservative, so I wasn't sure how it would go. Her mother is supportive, just

Yeah, that is that's that's that's a that's tough. I can't even, I mean I can't. I have no no frame of reference for that. I just know that that stuff is difficult, and uh, you know, glad, I'm glad. I'm glad that we that we can be there.

I'm sorry, I say that again.

We can be there, I said, I'm I said, I'm just glad that we can be there.

Yeah. Yeah, that's that's awesome, that putting in.

The cast, because it's I know that that whole situation that could be really tough. You know, it can be really really tough.

Glad that putting in the cast can help, even just a little bit. Absolutely, So, We've got a tremendous listenership and it's going to keep continuing in the length of this fucking show. I think I attest to that this episode here to kick off twenty twenty five, I'm going to close here as far as the readings with Ben, and then we'll hear from Gabe and send you on

I am sitting now. Sure. Look, it's it's true. I was almost compromised to a permanent endow. I was hoping that Jack would pick up on that one. The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.

You've heard from Gabe over the years, one of the earliest supporters of the show, one of the first to come to the.

Table and say, hey, I really take what you guys are doing. How about some some sponsorship, just all kinds of stuff like that. You know him of course from the Whole Ballgame podcast. That is kind of a bit of offspring from what we've been doing all this time.

And ship we're TLF cosplayers. Man, We're a TLF cover band. That's what we are. Really honest here.

Boss, cover band. I like that.

I don't mind that at all. I mean, listen, the more the merrier on that, keep it up. I appreciate cover bands.

How uh, Well, while Gabe is listening, Boss, how great is it to hear him back on on the air.

Oh, it's fantastic. I mean listen, the the the the trials and tribulations, the trial of your life in many ways. So I mean it's there's nothing better. It's so great to be able to hear your voice and have you back here.

Thank you. That means a lot, you know. Uh, I wrote some notes down because I didn't want to go into this blind and babble on for forever and get get you guys, you know, kind of an update and kind of get you caught up with what my last

They break the breastbone, don't they.

They So what they did is they they have this device called a ribspreader, And so I still have bruises on the bottom of my biggest fat roll, which is getting smaller, which is a great side effect of surgery. But uh, it's where they anchor the ribspreader, right, So they anchor it there.

That was Owen Heart's nickname, by the way.

Oh Man, straight to hell, all of us wonderful. And they use a what is essentially it's a surgical saw, but essentially it's a circular saw, and they, you know, they make an incision first with a scalpel down my chest, which I have this really wicked ass like fourteen and a half inch scar.

Right down the center, right down the center. You're gonna have to get a scott Steiner tattoo to cover that one up. Yeah, or a Lesnar one too, you know, sword right.

No, No, I don't think so. I think I think I'll let the scars I'm wearing open, uh you know, button up shirts wide open the rest of my life. I earned it. I support that anyway. So they use the scalpel and then they they use a circular saw and they directly in half cut the breastbone between the two ribs, and then they anchor the ribs spreader. They put the the arms of the rib spreader on either side of the breastbone, and then they turn a crank.

Boss thoughts, and I.

I can't even I mean, listen, it's it's what really the problem is is that I'm hearing imaginary sounds in my head of what this sounds like spreading of bone and flesh, and just like it's just it's just a sound that the human ears were not meant to hear.

Yeah. Yeah, luckily I didn't have to.

Yeah, no, listen, that's great, but I'm hearing it. I'm hearing it now and there's nothing you can do about that.

Well, if it makes you feel any better. I hear the tick of my artificial heart valve constantly all the time. It's very very Edgar Allen Poe tell Tale heart sort of stuff going on. It's just a I should send you guys, just a because my phone picks it up really well. Because my breastbone isn't completely healed, so you can hear it outside my body in a quiet room. It's really really crazy. But yeah, so they did that.

Unbelievable, it is.

It's nuts.

We've exchanged texts, but his first time I've heard your voice, Ince went down. I honestly expected kind of like a lethargic, you know what I mean, kind of like a voice that still spoke, because I know you were probably barely able to speak in the beginning. Right.

Oh, yeah, it was man, those first I was in the hospital for seven days, and it was especially the for like waking up and recovery and then kind of transitioning from recovery into the main room. The best indicator I have of this is I had very little appetite for at least five weeks after surgery. I lost seventy five pounds from the day I went into surgery to about five weeks out. It's insane. Yeah, it's absolutely nuts. I mean I I was eating like six eight hundred

This is like straight like Sean Michael's nineteen ninety.

Five correct, I may as well have been Matt Hardy in a diner or Jeff Hardy in the diner in North Carolina. It was it was it was like that. Just they had me, you know, they had me on nerve blockers and you know, pretty serious painkillers and stuff for the first week, and then they sent me home with some too.

But I tell the people, if you could gave what was the issue that they remedied.

It's I'll be as brief as I can, but it's an absolutely nuts story. So we talked about weight loss. I have been a rotund individual for my entire life, and I've never I've always kind of battled with it. And in February of this year, I went to the doctor finally to get it rectified. As you guys know, I have a new baby here, twenty month old, little piece of heaven, and I just wanted to get it right,

Right.

And so I was at the top dose. My body was just not digesting food fast enough, and so I was it was making me sick. I didn't know that, but I woke up in the middle of the night on a Thursday night, and I was just so ill, and my wife was like, you have to go. You have to fucking go to the er. Stop this. So I went to the ar and I told him what was wrong, and they said where I was pointing was

Uh.

It just the blood flows through the aorta out of the heart at such a pressure that it bulges out. And that's what the aneurysm is. It's just a big bulge in the the aorda.

Let's say, aneurysms are fucking scary motherfuckers. There's like, you know, there's just no real warning. They just fucking yeah none.

I mean, John, that's how John Richard died. John Richard didn't know there was anything wrong, and he just walked on set and it dissected and that was the end of it, and mine was. The threshold for surgery is three and a half centimeters to four centimeters, and mine

So do all these issues come downstream from that game. But it had nothing to do with your dialing it in on the weight loss and going hard.

No, No, the weight loss thing was just just a way to get me to the emergency room. Had I not had a stomach ache, you know, I'd still you know, I wouldn't have had a surgery.

I have an account of, like you said, the metabolism issue with the drugs.

Yeah, that's amazing.

I have no reason to get a heart scan, and a lot of people don't, but by god, you should figure it out. Just something, you know.

Just wellness policy. I mean, look since Eddie, right, I mean I haven't heard of many if Eddie like that, where you know, there's like this this uh premature sort of failure of the heart from these these wrestlers. And that's been the huge thing, is like regular cardiogram for these guys, and they're much more aware of heart health and in early signs.

Yeah, so you know it. It was it was weird happenstance, and and and I ended up at the cardiothoracic surgeon. He's like, yeah, you got to have the surgery. That's kind of all there is to it. And I was like, it's non invasive, right, you can figure that. No, we got to crack the open. Yeah, uh, you know. And of course then the fear starts and you start to like really kind of think about what your life is and was and will be, and you know, all of the Brett Hart shit.

Well, I'm not sure when is a good time to bring this up, but I suppose it'll probably be here because when we heard, we were like, oh, man, like you know, sharing the word every time we do a podcast that you guys are trying to, you know, raise the funds to be able to live somewhat seamlessly on the other side from a you know, a stability point of view. And I'm sure that was challenging. We'll talk about that, but it remains challenging. But we're like, what

Us life affirming I would I would go there just no, no, don't laugh.

Well, well go ahead.

I mean I don't want to characterize it any any other way than you would as the person who we thought we'd try something for. And man, am I so happy that we're able to come back and just talk about it. Is like this fun thing as opposed to like, you know, a missive that could have been one last one, you know, I mean, this is serious surgery, as you know, and is anyone who just listened to your description told and just go ahead if you wouldn't mind.

You yeah, so well, it's interesting, right. I. Uh, Jamie and I have become as we talked about on the show before, Jamie and I have become good friends with with Dana Massey, who's Matt Matt Jackson's wife, and she came to Chicago, which is about a two and a half hour drive for us, for the pay per view that was in Chicago. I don't even remember what it was because we were only there for about twenty minutes.

Where is it at?

It's down here somewhere. I believe it was the January nineteen ninety two p W I inside p W Pro Wrestling Illustrated. Sorry that all these fucking website pisses me off. I always get it mixed up with my It's like when you want to say Starcade and you say star cast instead because of that big old fat of a goo. Fuck you, Connie. Now I'm kidding, you know I love you? Where count anyway?

I claim Connie? Like that.

Anyway?

Conn Thompson sounds like someone who works at the church.

Look here, Gabe, you just don't want to fall out of the truck. Okay, whatever did you do? You know we're.

Involved right now, Gabe, and correct me if I'm wrong in some fellow, Yo.

We are. We are engaging. Hell yeah, hell yeah.

Let the people know what was in that hot little envelope of yours.

The January nineteen ninety two Pro Wrestling Illustrated with a really terrible picture of Rick Flair on the cover.

It's the haircut Jim hed hair. Yeah.

Oh god yeah, Spartacus and uh uh what do they call those things? Like a little drive? Right? A thumb drum drive?

Yes, flash drive?

Flash drive? And I'm like, and of course you know it says on the on the uh I see this from you guys because they see the returner drives. I'm like, what the hell could this possibly fucking be? And I opened it up, I put it in and say, you know, the fire. There's a couple of files on there, but the one that's important says listen to this Gabe in all cats. I'm like, all right, well I might as well, and I sit here at my computer for the next

Very much, and we may even overdo it.

I don't.

I don't.

I've never shared that about you're talking about having recorded the unwrapping and fucking Santa's Workshop.

Man, I I listened first thing every morning, you know. Anyway, Uh, in my stocking every year would be a p w I, a wrestler, and the third one that I can't remember off the top of my head, and.

The wrestling insider right.

Inside wrestling that's the one. And uh, this was one of them at one point for sure, but it was I'd always wake up before everybody else would. And the only day night of the year that my parents would

Well, boss, I know not to speak for you, but I mean we've wanted to do something like that for a while because you always talk about the rankings pages right right right, and it's like we had, we got, we gotta hands on copies of these things as time goes and it's like, what if we did it this way? What if we did a one of one, you know kind of thing. And I don't know as much as we did it for que at a certain point it was like, this.

Is just fucking fun. Yeah, Oh that's that was the thing about it. I mean, yes, I'm I'm glad it meant something to you game, but it was just fun selfishly.

Look, and that's that's the other thing. That's the other thing, right, is like I'm listening to this thing and we're going through it. I don't remember the last because I don't look, and I think I'm not I don't think I'm in the minority here. But it's very rare that I watch along with anything that you guys do. You know, you

Well, we lost you know, we lost physical media. We lost it along the way right right, And here's a way to to give us a reason to rediscover it.

Yes, yeahactly, I can feel like it's crazy to think about, but I can close my eyes, I can feel it now and right like.

That's you know, that's what we've been trying to do for ten years and trying to do another ten It's like, get back to is to let you know, Gabe that we were by the tree too, in our own little way, and we and there's No, there's no shame in trying to go back there. In fact, it's vital. It's vital, and well this is great because I haven't had the chance.

I know you.

Expressed gratitude that whatever I mean. But that that that you actually took it in like that is is exactly I think what we were hoping for. So oh for sure, like that was you. You you kind of organically took it exactly what we were what we were hoping for.

Well, look, you know, my the soundtrack to my recovery. Unfortunately, because I devoured this so quickly. Uh was was ruled by the master and ruler of the world, and so it was. It was wonderful, don't get me wrong, but that was the soundtrack to my recovery. Was was you guys going on and on about fucking Vienna sausages every week?

Jesus Christ, I think he went on, Have you had I have?

Yeah? Yeah, I mean anybody that grew up in the Midwest has had them. They did, just they're you know, they're not my preferred potted meat.

Taste. Like we couldn't bring ourselves to try it.

Uh, Okay, have either of you had, Pete? Yes, it tastes nothing like that, but it's the it's the exact same consistency.

Of like, So I guess that I would have guessed mom a snappy hot dog. Well, I would have guessed like kind of a like honestly to me, it looks like a hot dog, just kind of it's it's like too soft, like it's MUSHes.

Correct. Yeah, yeah, there's a little case thing on the outside, but you bite into it and just MUSHes. That's why most people eat it with crackers because it'll just mush on the crackers because it's fucking gross. Yeah. No, not a not a great delicacy. But you know, to each to each their own. Fuck in West Memphis either you guys, we were talking about the tree. Are you guys familiar with Simone de Beauvoirs, Sure, okay, one of my favorite

Yes, that's great and that's correct.

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Also, you can look at it as a little bit less bubbly a worldview. We lose our childhood, we lose that innocence as we grow. It's blown literally blown up, a child, blown up by age. Whether that's what she meant or not, I don't know, but I think about it a lot, especially when we talk about the shame of enjoying professional wrestling and the pain and all of

That's that's a huge part of the reason that we felt this is how we should start the year, because you're you're now coming back to us having come up to a line that we all hope no one in the Solar System has to walk up to.

But yeah, but you know, you're so in the inner sanctum of what we do, and we know you so much more than we do the other Solar System members that we're really turning to you for this. So so don't hesitate, don't worry about cliches.

Yeah, it's it's I shame doesn't really doesn't really factor in for me much anymore. I think there's there's uh, there's always something below the service that's always going to be there. It's just it's just kind of inherent and you, especially if you've dealt with it for a long enough time,

That's it.

Yeah, it was. You know. I wish they would stop with these fucking half measures and just do what they're supposed to do on something like this, But you know I can beggars and choosers.

Right, hospital thoughts, Yeah.

Exactly, for Christ's sake, I did like the bike rack. Why couldn't you have the bike rack at ringside too? Give me a break, Like we can't see the people's knees. This is a problem for us. Yeah, anyway, anyway, that's my point is just that let it go, guys, let it go. Like if you like something, just enjoy it. And and it doesn't mean you have to be loud

It's fine, right, even if it's not, the power of declaring it so helps, Yeah, to say it's fine. Helps even if it's not.

If I can, before you know, we we wrap and I don't want to take up more, too much more of your time. We've been going on for half an hour, but I want to address solar system, if that's all right with you.

Absolutely.

The outpouring that I saw from the solar system was and I don't use this term lightly. I really thought about it. It was debilitating, it was huge, it was swift, it was kind, it was overwhelming. Lots of people donated names that I recognize. Some are out there. Someone donated anonymously, so I'm not going to blow up their spot. Some as little as five bucks, but it it doesn't matter. It's about the it's about the Hello ship.

Well some some of them only had seven bucks in their pocket, but if you stick with them long enough.

I did not, unfortunately, get a truck.

Did I. But before you go on, which I really want you to, I wanted to ask when you first came out of the Boss, I'll I'll que you up next, did it hurt to laugh?

And like?

Could you not listen to us? I was? I was thinking, we are you actually going to hurt this guy?

Ye?

Yes, yes you are. And you did yes, Fox, they sent me home, and well, it gave it to me to the first day I was. I was there after surgery. But I have a heart shaped pillow that's very thick and very fluffy, and they pull it full of stuff and it was for me to use when I laugh or cough or sneeze. I was supposed to hug it to protect my breastbone. Oh and most every night in the hospital when I had you guys on, because I couldn't stand to watch the nineteen inch flat screen television

Well, I'm glad you had a way to mitigate the impact. Boss. Did you want to say something there?

Well, yeah, I was actually curious. Did anyone give you seven dollars?

I don't think so. I think I think there was one. I think one guy gave three sixteen, which is pretty fucking cool.

Yeah, that's great.

Yeah, I did want to shout out Dickie, a man who I have never even spoken to, who's another you know, died in the wool member of the Solar system, and we were Yeah, As a matter of fact, Blake and I swore vengeance for finding out that he gave that fucking branding iron to Brandon from New Jersey, who, by the way, is responsible for those drones.

I've decided, well, it's my understanding that he actually gave it to John Pollock, the homie from post wrestling, but I could be wrong about that. I think there may be Jackson.

Pollock pretty sure he painted some of the paintings in the hotel room or the hospital.

Room with the browning iron.

Yes, whoever whoever he gave it to, he won it. He didn't take it back to Australia because he didn't want to pay for custom yard. I don't blame him there, no, I it's no I know.

I'm the first thing I thought of, like ad Belluh he they the fuck is this?

It's a weapon?

Sir? Yeah, it's a good point. I guess that's true. Ship it for three hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah, No, I all jokes aside. Like I was, I was astonished time and time again by the generosity of people through this thing, especially it's such a crap shoot and you kinda like the thought went through my head like you kind of only get one shot at doing a GoFundMe in your life.

That's true.

Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it's like it hasfe story. Yeah, if you have any shame at all, right, And while we talked about losing it in this case, yes, I have a fair amount of shame. So so I went back and forth a lot about whether or not to even do this. But like again we're back to this life affirming thing where it's like, holy shit, the

Yeah, well I just think I mean ten, well, twelve years ago, twenty years ago, it's not really not really an option available to people to build a community around something called a podcast such that they consider you, you know, brothers and sisters in arms, not just fellow spectators. You know. It's just it's a new I think it's an underappreciated part of what podcasting is and it's unique to podcasting.

Well, I'm saying this what podcasting can be. That's right, correct, Yes, thank you for that. What it strives, I think, what it strives to what everyone kind of strives to want.

That's that's the testament. That's the testament to to why we why we would bother doing as much as we do, because like we just keep going and people keep showing that actually.

Matters.

I guess you can say it matters. Yeah, it matters, and it matters in as much as to me, it doesn't matter until it's made manifest in the real world. And this is real. This is real support. This is not people pretending to support you because they want to be part of a crew or correct.

Right, when you're talking about cash.

There's in the United States of America. I mean, until there's money exchange, no one believes anything.

Yeah, it's we we joke about fellowship, right, but the reality is I I think back on on our dinner in Philadelphia quite a bit, just for the uninitiated or unaware, Blake and I, you guys have heard us, you know, on the show before talking about our podcast we wanted to advertise with with the Boys here and try to get the name out on the podcast. And we knew we were all going to be in Philly together, and so we invited Jack and JP and we went into some steakhouse. It's fantastic.

It's the best stake I've ever heard some steakhouse.

Yeah, look, I wasn't going to go there, but it wasn't wasn't an inexpensive a fellowship.

Especially especially when you order the Butcher's cut with no price on a menu. They just represent that such a thing exists. Verbally, I'm just glad.

I'm just glad that we all we all felt for that, right.

But yeah, it was just like we got them and we kind of like looked at each other. My favorite part of the evening, however, was when Jack and JP arrived. So Blake and I are there and we're just wearing shirts and jeans, right. The bouncer threatened to not let Jack and JP in because they were wearing sweatpants. To the.

No, it was it was just me.

I had the ath Leisure, I had the Vioris on you know, which, Yes, I could have bought a twenty dollars pair of chinos that would have.

Been like way less expensive. That's what hilarious anyway.

And and Jaff walks in and he's like, they're not gonna let us in, and I was like, what do you mean? And he said he just told me I couldn't come in. And I was like, well, we're already in, so let's walk to the table.

And he just looked at me like he was watching a ship take off that had his wife on it and he knew he was never gonna get to it.

It's like, okay, here, here's what I'll do. You say I can't get into the dress code. Okay, buddy, thanks a lot. You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go I remember this now. I'm gonna go talk to them about it because they're waiting on me. I got people, they're waiting on me, and then by go talk to them about it. What I mean is I'm going to walk up to them and then follow them into the dining room. Correct, And I'm again, and you, my friend,

So you know, uh, eight later, that's.

More of a burn's cut than a Butcher's cut.

Yeah, I think about that night a lot, not because the steak was so good, but because the the com and he was was incredible and we had such a good time and we laughed and we it was it was just great. And and that's uh, that's the relationship that you guys foster with your people and we are their people. Everybody listening, that's I think what will continue to find it and be responsible for for tlf's continued

Well toast to you, Gabe. And the bottom line here to me at least, is that we make a podcast and we tried to think about people who we'd like to share company with. Around wrestling that we talk about it all the time. We just didn't have access to in our immediate lives. We just you know, we didn't have a lot of wrestling fans around us growing up.

Basically do what we've been doing since college. You know, on our own what it is.

You're stuck with me forever. As long as you guys are even remotely public figures, you're just screwed.

The point is it just blossoms. It blossoms. You don't have to just sit down and stay. We're gonna make a podcast, it's gonna mean something to people. No, you just fucking do it. I mean that's the thing too, like that that was never that was never an intention, never we sought out to do. It's like you know, I always I always think about, you know, the one email that that always has stuck in my mind and

Oh man, uh yeah, yeah, you know, next time and next time there's a big wrestling event in h south Southeast Missouri, we should all meet up and go to Lambert's gonna throw me home home with a throat rolled baby. I uh. I when I was god well before any of this bullshit, like two thousand and nine ten, I was working in Memphis, but my my ex was in Chicago. So I was driving back and forth to Memphis every two weeks, and I'd go basically right through Sykeston, uh,

Wow, it's great to show us the ways. Yeah, talk about the show me State, show me them fucking Airborne more like to state.

We can just we can just take a three a quick three hour drive down to West Memphis too, and go see the sights.

Let's go to Saint Mary's Cathedral and see if they got me Viennas and stock Well, no, I guess we already got the ball of water too. You know, I gotta tell you something. So actually today yeah, all right, so today today, you know, I I I had my my my daughter was that was in had a competition, and so I was there and I said, you know what, I was thirsty and I didn't have my water bottle. So I actually went out. I was like, I got a ball water.

That's the that's the anthem for t l f x X the next ten years. Everybody in our in the sound of our voice, you go and order a water in public, You order a ball of water. It's a great idea.

The ball of water conversation leads me to just one question that I'll leave you guys with. And maybe you guys are going to bound upon this elsewhere. Maybe you already have. We uh, we got the Terry Funk retrospective, right, and that was what like twenty five parts?

And then I can't even answer that. Twenty five hours at least on a twenty five parts or twenty five hours, there's.

A whole hell of a lot. And then we got we got SID and and I remember I remember tweets. I believe it was tweets or certainly misses from Jack going like, you know, I don't know that anybody else is going to warrant quite as much, quite as much delving into the past as Terry did. But you know, we'll see how things go. We got like at least thirty hours of SID, right, Like, have you just blocked

I don't know, boss, I think we better check our short term disability leave.

I mean, you know, it's funny. There was prep at one point and when he was really sick and then but it's a you know that was back then. It's a whole different fucking ball game.

Now it is the whole it is. It's the whole ball game.

Damn, it's the whole ball game.

It's a great question, Gabe, and I've been lying if I you know, as always it's like.

Wait, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.

No, no, I don't know. Yeah no, it's always like oh, you guys, like it's taking so long, and then like you can do another one.

Yeah, right, no, right, it's so Look, you know what the funny thing Blake and I were talking about the other day, like the how thorough and how deeply researched all of this ship is is so daunting that early on when we were starting this baseball thing, it was like, well, I'll do you know, I'll jump into the you know, I have a history, I can do the No, we just want we watched the baseball games and we do stupid voices that we just we can't. There's no fucking way, there's no we can't do it.

Yep.

It's it's unbelievable. The dedication and the sort of commitment. I think that's the word that you have to take to do something like this, and I think you guys mentioned it earlier. It's it's not about doing something that other people are going to go that shit's amazing. It's about doing shit that you guys like and like attracts like right like people. People see right through bullshit and there is no bullshit outside from all the bullshit.

And that's that's t LFX. Like we told ourselves at the beginning, as we have always joked about, Boss, We're not doing this for you out there.

We're doing this for us.

And if you want to and if you want to come along for the ride, that's fine, but don't expect to have any role beyond that in what we decide to do. And it turns out by doing it for us, we also end up doing it for them. Damn right.

It's a beautiful thing and Gage is a testament to it.

Gage, It's it's a shocking thing to know. And this I think this is the first thing I ever said to you guys when I met you Jack for lunch in Boston. Oh yeah, cream clam chowder. Uh at what was the name of the Ale House Union Oyster House Union, Oyster House. We got we got clam showder I told you right then and there. The reason that this means so much to me and I want it is because you and Jack, you and JP are me and my best friend from high school, my wrestling friend from high school.

Let's get it. Well, we're thankful for you. That's what That's what it's about. We're all lapsed. That's all it is. It is and long made continue. Happy New Year, Gay, We're very glad that twenty twenty five will have you in it.

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