Ep. 407: Sid Tribute (Part 10, Finale)

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Pos it has to end. A life of Sid has to end, and therefore the TLF tribute.

To Sid has to end. Boss. Yes, yes, it's fair enough, fair.

Enough TLFX, and it's fitting because as this you know prototypical, quintessential tlf treatment of a subject that I think in Sid is as TLFX as it gets.

Really, I mean, well, you know what, you know what just something just hit me right now? What was our first.

Show SummerSlam ninety one when he made his debut, Yes, when he first made his impression upon us as fans.

Right when he shows face out the curtain, you know, situated as we were at the time as w W fans. Yep.

I mean it's the more I go through this, the more I realize, like Sid's career touches the stuff that we were we were steeped in before we ever hit record for.

The lapsed fan right exactly.

These are the places we could go to without even having to do much in the way of research, to be able to talk for hours and hours about true and there was a lot was there more to Sid And it made it that work, and it made it that much more rewarding to learn all of that because we started from the base you're talking about, yep. This is somebody that we didn't have to force ourselves to

Yeah, totally.

And he talked about all the legal ramifications and how that all went sort of a round trip for Sid as he tried to pick up the pieces after WCW closed and he was mending his broken wheel. But now on the final leg of our tribute to Sid, we're going to take stock of what happened after he could no longer go in the ring. For all intents and purposes, it's not like he had zero matches after WCW SIN, but it might as well have been.

I mean, because he did he did do some like some quick things. Didn't didn't he beat like didn't he beat that redhead goof? I have very good raw.

I wanted to leave that unset to see if you would remember, because I wasn't sure how much of an impact that actually made. But yes, when the mine wants to say we never saw Sid again after you know ninety seven, you have to check yourself because that's not true. As far as WWWWTV, yeah, I do remember him coming on a couple of times, and I remember him beating what's his name, what's the redheads name? Heth Slater, the one man later, the one the one man can right,

They were just doing it through a.

Heel announcer voice, so they felt like it wasn't justifying. So yes, Sid didn't get the call until they had a framework where they were essentially mocking the people that they were bringing back.

Oh God, and for.

Sid, who saw himself out foxing Vince at every turn in his career, it certainly was a hilarious finish there in twenty twelve. But yes, we will get there. Sid does come out once again in a WW ring with jeans On, and then we truly don't see him again.

Did not make any like kind of one off appearances, not with that he wrestled, but he just kind of showed up and looked like a goof on WWE.

I don't think so, no, not that I can recall. I think he made a single appearance other than the one you're referencing, and we'll chart what he was doing in the business and in his life here as we serenade.

Oh, we know what he was doing. He was taking care of Vienna's and fucking taking care of the.

Taking care of that was quite later, but yes, he did get around to that eventually. It does become a story of Vienna's and and.

We're excited to get there. It's like it's like The Third Man, the movie The Third Man. I wanted to tell you about old Vienna.

Right, But we're obliged to say if sid is as TLFX as it gets, and if twenty twenty four has been just a true monument to ten years of the Lapsed Fan, if you were to pick a year where this podcast gets the recognition it deserves, you would think it would be on our tenth year anniversary, Right.

Yeah, I would say so. It would make sense to me.

Vince has taught us the importance of ten year anniversaries with WrestleManias and stuff.

Russell Mania's so.

Mammy is a big time reset period. So we're obliged to mention right off the top. If you haven't seen the news as we record this, it should have been abundantly clear in our social media and other social media channels that the folks at the Sports Podcast Group have seen fit to nominate this very podcast for Wrestling Podcast of the Year for two twenty four.

Now we're up.

Against diff competition and it is a process through which brother.

What ogen Ogen's podcast that'd be that I would feel threatened.

There, not Hogan's but other luminaries.

Yes, there's.

There's no need to delineate them. But do know that this comes down to fan voting. This comes down to this is a volume game, and we've always been quality over quantity around here. It's why we are who we are. If we chased quantity from the beginning in terms of number of listeners, my god, would this show sucked, just like ninety eight percent of wrestling podcasts that have ever

Agreed.

I think you know hard pressed would you be hard pressed? Would you be to find someone you really respect would disagree with that? And so we on the doorstep of this final leg of one of the most quintessential things we've done, one of the most quintessential hashtag lapsed things we've done, this sprawling tribute to sid that has just grown different heads and arms and legs, well maybe not legs,

Hey, I heard what you said there, third party acknowledgment. That's what I've been striving for my whole life. Jesse.

I think what I'm trying to say is, if we don't win Best Wrestling Podcasts in the Sports Podcast Award, it's because they wouldn't let us in the debates.

Well, that's the idea, because I know you'd win, they know we'd win. We know we'd win. You know we'd win. So let's just do it. Let's do it.

Let's make each other proud as much as Maker co chairman proud and vot the Lapsed Fan the Best Wrestling Podcast of the Year and the Sports Podcast Group Sports Podcast Awards for the Year twenty twenty four. I can't think of a better year to do it. Agreed, Agreed, fucking Let's go home. Let's show them the power of what we're talking about, and let's knock on doors. Let's use some shoe leather if you will. Let's campaign, because remember this was an election year, and what a campaign

Of all years, I would say, I would say that it's very true done.

A lot of narrowing down, a lot of crystallizing of what it is we're about. A lot of message refinement has gone on this year through things like the TLFX testimonials that we've been proud to share, as listeners from across the Solar System have put down in their own words, why this means so much the live show we did in Philadelphia this year which laid bare the in the city of brotherly love and that founding American city, how foundational our ethos is to why even bother doing a

Oh, that's just say they have no fucking idea.

Smiling upon the Solar system, prepare for beams of effervescent light.

In terms of me most importantly, the what they haven't realized what they've done is that they have they have opened the door, Yes to unrefined, pure, uncut, uncensored pain.

Pain that acknowledgment that pain is the only point. Yes, that until you get to the point of pain, you're kidding yourself and everybody else is kidding themselves.

Pain makes you no pleasure, right, pain is pleasure. You're gonna say pain helps you process pleasure. No, you went right to it.

That wasn't even a three headed monster there. You know, once you go yeah, you guys are the best podcast, then it's like, it's it's really hard to take it back. We've seen people do that over the years. You know, they fall into our favor and then for whatever reason, they just decide it's cooler to like not like us, and it's hard for them because they know that at one point in time they kissed the ring.

Listen, you know what I think of it as this is its adolescence, right. You know, you don't when you're an adolescent, when you're in that in that age of between ten and eighteen, you don't want to admit that mommy and daddy are right, and you will.

Go to absurd lengths to try to demonstrate that they're wrong, absurd lengths, self destructive lengths even in some cases.

But you always come home.

The door is always willing to swing open when you come around, and nothing needs to be said, yep, because we love you unconditionally. Right, That's right, that's right, and so return the Favor Sports Podcast Awards TLFX. Let's really bring this motherfucker home, and let's bring home our tribute to Sid.

What do you say, I think it's I think it's about ten.

Times absolutely the Unapologetic Sin Tribute, as we heard last time, basically heard nothing from him for several years in terms of like high profile wrestling appearances, especially through two thousand and one. Like he said, he changed his phone number. He didn't want to talk to anybody in the business because anytime you pick up the phone, all they'd want to talk about is how it happened, whose fault it was,

I remember that happening when we were in college, right, that's right. It would have been a two thousand and two Okay. They brought in Randy Savage and I think Jeff Jarrett as well, right just before like it was going to become clear that TNA was going to be the best shot at recreating WCW.

They sort of were. They had a pay per view that was available in the United States that they did. Australia was a very strong live event market for WCW.

It's just a fucking I don't know it just that whole thing. I don't know, it's it's it's funny. I guess what I I guess. What's funny to me is how even how how desperate wrestling promoters are when it

I think when you're triple funding together, it helps to put people in front of financiers.

Who have Yeah. Yeah, I suppose that heard of it. Yeah, you know what, I'll admit, I don't think of it in terms of like in terms of like, you know, trying to get people to I think of it as, oh, I've already got money. But when you're trying to get money, you need that kind of shit, and that's very true.

Well, what's interesting is, you know, Tony Kanad money and he still goes for every WW guy I can get his hands on and woman. You know, so it's sort of like it's.

Like a yeah, but how many of them were actual draws?

Oh?

I know? Yeah, fucking gets.

It's like a disease with no qre kind of thing because if anyone would have done, it would have been him. And now he's replete with guys that you still think primarily WW when you look at them, despite his attempts to kind of them. But yeah, so yeah, point taken. But if you try to get something off the ground and approach with a list of guys that are going to be huge stars in ten years but nobody's heard of, ah, I'll take a pass of that. That doesn't seem like

You know?

So you did so?

I guess that was part of that's the extent of Sid's TNA involvement. I mean, he had said that all the things I did to help those guys, they called and asked me to come in and do some things. But I wasn't honest with them, he said. One time in a shoot interview, he said he told him I don't want to work for those guys unless I know I'm not going to work for Vince because I wouldn't do something small. This poor guy on a walker still

Well, I'm want to tell you something. So so Vincent May has said one hundred and fifty cans of Vienna is the cathedral? Correct? And I sent him an autograph picture.

Yeah, you didn't send him an autographed contract, though, did you? Because because one wasn't one was never offered.

I said he was going to put my picture on a contract, and then why I didn't have to sign it? Bucker still get paid. Have you seen this man kind of picture? Have you seen? Let me have you have we can we put this up on the Listen. I want to put this picture, this signed autographed picture of Sid down at the front desk of Titan Towers. Do not allow this man in all right, do not allow Sid in the building. If you see him, shoot him.

It's like when it came over the loudspeaker when he fired Warrior. Remember Tom Fleming, the w.

W F artist. Oh my god, Yeah, the interview with us about it.

It's like all of a sudden, he's working on stuff for a Warrior and then Vince's they no voice comes over the headquarter wide intercom. Weird, no anger doing business with Ultimate Warrior. Please see sect anything in motion regarding.

U UH employees of Titan Sports Incorporated, Corporate, I would like corporate. There's an echo employees of Titan Sports Incorporated. This is Vincent Kennedy McMahon, the owner, CEO, head han show of sorts of the of the organization. I I'm I'm I'm for those of her here who don't know who Vince is. I've been the I've been involved in

Are in the holiday season. I do kind of adore the idea of like full time WWF staff who like don't care about wrestling, but they have skills WWF us and they live practice approximate to Standford, Connecticut working there.

I mean, it's it's like, you know, it's funny. It reminds me of of all the people who you know, when I was at when I when I was in LA and I worked at Sony or not at Sony, but when I was working on the Sony lot, talking like, there are all these people who are just working regular jobs, but they just happen to be at a movie studio, right, you know, you need to have that those those jobs like accountants and and whatever who really have no impact on the actual and have no interest maybe to do

I mean, those people have always been the subject of endless fascination to me, and just the idea that they got benefits, they got Christmas vacations, you know, right, And the wrestlers who make the whole thing go round couldn't even dream of having the same track link from an employment perspective as these people who hated wrestling or not hated, who are indifferent to the actual product that you know, that that made the machine run.

Just fascinating. That to me, that is the bigger thing because in my mind because if you if you hate wrestling, I can see you kind of working at a wrestling company. If you love wrestling, I can see you working at a wrestling company. If you're indifferent, those are the people that I'm that are truly fascinating, because how the fuck did you get this job?

They answer a one ad for graphic designer and it happens to be you know, near fucking Long Island or wherever they grew up.

You know, they need a janitor, they need whatever, you know, all those all those businesses need those things every day everyday jobs. Let's not kid ourselves a baby job. We're talking about every day job.

I don't that's a one ad. He's not answering, right, but my jobing brother, it's not kid ourselves. Job board, what do you mean? What what do you set that up at the tapings?

Dude?

Like, what do you what do you mean like someone's gonna like like a wooden board people laid out on or two? That are we talking about? It's a job board?

What is that where you put the names up of people doing a job? Is ul Hogan's name on there?

I mean, I think who's put who's putting the names up on the job.

Here's my thing, brother, I understand you're saying I'm none on the job board, But the way my mind works is why didn't I know of the existence of such a thing as a job board in the first place. If it wasn't a way to do an end run around Ulshogan right ill would know what that I would know what it was.

The thing is, too, I want to know exactly why people are doing this behind my back exactly.

That's I don't really care what the job board is. I care why I'm not told about it exactly, you know. So I want to know why I'm not told about these things. I want to why people are trying to beat Hulk Hogan because he okay, he goes like, I don't care if I'm jobbing or not. I just care about the secret to the secretiveness of it. And then he comes right back around and says, I want to

Uh.

Nash you know famously said like, you know, if you're getting paid what you're getting paid right now to sit at home and watching Netflix, would you take it?

Fuck?

It.

Yeah, right, what do you want? Like, you know, you just gotta fucking you know I'm getting. I'm getting. I'm I'm getting paid to sit at home. Fucking I work on a dollar to bump ratio and if I can get paid a lot of dollars for zero buck, fucking you know, hit some sativa and drink some fucking veno.

Yeah, of course, he says, watch Netflix, by the way, you know what kind of films is?

You know, I fucking watched those those fucking indie college channels. Yeah, watching some fucking you know, up and coming you know, film tours.

Fuck, so oh three passes, you know, four. He suddenly pomps up again in Montreal, of all places, where there's some shows going on in a promotional banner called the IWS. And involved in the IWS is Pierre Carl Willette from lochae Becker's PCO, as he's known now. And come to find out, PCO was one of Sid's absolute best friends in the business.

Good out of here.

Yeah, And I don't think people necessarily knew this until this run started to happen. And you know, the shoot interview business was much more replete. There was channels everywhere, and people would interview PCO, especially Devin Nicholson up who runs as Hannibal runs Great White North Wrestling, and by virtue of running that promotion, was able to bring in a lot of guys with you know, old stardom from WWF past and get a whole new round of shoot

Of the deal.

PCO has also done shoot interviews with Hannibal and has been asked about SID in particular. PCO, of course, is a name that carries some weight in the Montreal wrestling scene, and he talked to Hannibal about his history with SID. It all became pretty clear here as SID suddenly starts

Okay, we all want to go because.

At first PCO says he rented a condo down there, and eventually he Sid just said, you know what, coming to my house, lived with the family, and he was there and remembers his wife being generous. And he also remembers, interestingly, which I can't imagine Sid having a maid, which is just too much to think.

Wow, helping out with the kids and everything. He didn't have fucking just Frank doing all that shit.

I think it made was helping take care of Frank was twenty years old, and what would they do. They would go to the gyms every morning. You know, Sid needs a workout partner, especially getting back on his feet, such as he was working out doing the twice a days. Right back at it is Sid. And here's a little bit of a direct color from the aforementioned Hannibal shoot interview PCO reflecting on his friend Sid.

I really never changed much. You know, he kept that same house. It was not a big big spender. Like you know, he works on his h He has a special car that it it's not like the car. It's like, yeah, sort of a jeep. Note puts that real strong.

Engine and it tires.

But his best friend is mechanical, so it doesn't cost him that much the parts. You know, it's like their babies together, those guys. You know, they just work on the jeep all the time, and it can make the mud goes up.

Fifty feet in the air.

You know, it's really really strong.

It's a nice jeep. It's it's very very odd. But other than that.

It's it's not a big spender.

Okay, Sid just working on the jeep. And listen, I know for damn we know for sure that Sid is not a big spender.

I can picture working on the jeep. I can picture him working on the jeep, like but still wearing like a chaps button up with the top button buttoned, with short sleeves. He's somehow in like a checkered like dress shirt.

While he does. Yeah, oh for sure, listen, he's he he is always wearing some kind of like, you know, some kind of button down dress shirt, like it's either plaid or it's you know, you know, and it's and he's tucked into jeans. And he's always wearing a hat, a baseball hat, like all right, doesn't matter where what he's doing, like if he's not in the ring, that's what he's wearing.

A lap fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lampsed Fan. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno JP Soro.

But again, that's that's what everyone says is he lived incredibly modestly, essentially stuck to the same neighborhood that is his his ancestors were from, and that he returned to, uh, you know, an agro lifestyle, a farming lifestyle, and never, despite the money made in the business, ye never bought a big ostentatious house or a big ostentatious car, or really did anything that indicated that he was interested in the trappings of you know, making millions in the wrestling business.

Well it also, I mean there's that, and it also gives you the freedom to walk away.

That's right, It's what I'm by disap here, right, you could just fuck it, I'm done for now.

You don't you know that? That's always the you know, we hear about that all the time about wrestlers who just can't fucking walk away. It's because they don't have any money. But if you do it, if you play it smart and you and you live modestly, or if you live like see him punk, you know, then you can then you can not work. You know, you've saved up enough money and then your money's making money. Yep.

And you didn't allow the wrestling business to create your idea of yourself and thus put you in huge debt with a huge house, right, and all these other toys and assets, because you let the wrestling business tell you like, Okay, because I'm making this money now, I'm going to define who I am by the things I buy. Whereas a guy like Sid knows who he is already, yes, and he's just he's always ready to go back there if need be, and the money is just helping him do

Okay, can you imagine? Can you imagine too? Like you know, Frank, Frank snuck out at night. He's coming home, really really late, absolutely red eyed, yep. And then but then, but then you get Sid at home waiting. He knows, he knows that that Frank's gonna fucking stroll in like a motherfucker, and he and Sid has been smoking like nobody's business. But he's still dressed, yes, in a plaid shirt, button down, tucked in with a hat. He's in the house. Okay,

The Sidney ad libs never disappoints, does it. I thought you were gonna say to see, Frank, it's real simple. You said my church at Cana and Assassin.

You delivered. I'm gonna tell you something else. You finally deliver those fucking being us. I almost send you sound picture, huge kudos.

One of the most delightful parts of the SID tribute has been members of the Solar System, mostly commenting on Patreon, who have caught on to ways to spell the way SID says words, How do you spell the way?

SID says picture? It's p I T C H E R. Thank you very much, I Richard.

Oh, he sent my church a casey Vianna sausages, and I send him an autograph picture.

Hey, the autograph picture the way, he says. Sean Michaels his money. I love seeing Solar System members try to spell ball water.

Yes, just amazing. Oh so thank you SID. O five becomes six, becomes O seven, and he pops up again working at the new l Ham Arena NFL, of course, the former you c W Arena for the p W you promotion, where he wrestles his old buddy and his old night and shining armor if you will. Two cold Scorpio, He who hit the bloodied hallways of the England Hotel room after the scissor brawl with arn Anderson. I hesitate to call it a scissor fight, of course, and exactly.

What's going on, dude, will know Lesbian's brother.

Did He say, say what did you got lesbians? He said, God, yeah, we got him here, Terry, they're right here.

Say hi, what he didn't know they were here? He thought they were route. You tell me they're already here. Well, I thought, that's not I don't that's not what we agreed to at all. They're here, brother, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We have the holllest thing in dude, man, Where where where is specified happening?

Due if only had the wherewithal to get to the E C W Arena in the summer heat in two thousand and seven to see two gold Scorpio versus sid.

Oh, I mean, I'll tell you that that's a's a main event anywhere in that part of Philadelphia.

And yeah, South Philly, anywhere in that fucking industrial park that that industrial area they sit in next to like a gear manufacturer and a cheese steak place with a two mile long line. Oh, I know, the plaza across from the fucking uh you know, Marshalls.

That's just fucking perfect, wasn't it absolutely per fect?

Sitting in that cab trying or the uber trying not to touch the cheese steak till we got to the hotel.

Ah that was I mean, just fucking kill me. The smell of an onion rings the whole ride. Ah. Like, I'll tell you the thing is that makes it. You know, that makes it a very simple, plain act that you're not going to do well eating that food, right because now you've made you've tortured yourself to smell it for longer, So all you want to do is put it in your mouth as fast as possible.

I think there's a pretty good chance that Sid, wearing jeans under knee pads and boots, ate one of those on a round wooden table behind the curtain.

Yes he did, Yes he did brought it also, sure you know what, I'm damn sure that he ate one right at a stand and said, fuck it, they're not going to start without me, right, exactly how you would you like to eat here?

A regular? A regular Rosa Parks? He was lunch counter activist Sid. So then he goes up to uh Ottawa that summer and works for the super FX promotion where he wrestles Johnny Devine, and then he goes to wrestle for any W in Danbury, Connecticut against Jerry law we missed the chances. He sid and Lawler in O seven What a bummer. Then he goes to what btw and RIVERA O my God to wrestle too cold again remember tenth of two thousand and seven, then kick it over

Okay, so he's.

Still only taking matches where he can destroy people. Two on ONEWNWA Pro.

I don't know.

I keep seeing nWo in New Jersey he wrestles Joe Delicious, so this must be his buddy, This Joe Delicious guy. He worked the Knights of Columbus June thirteenth, two thousand and eight and Richfield Park, New Jersey, where he on Dave Greco, Justin Creno, and Kyle Thurdon in a three on one handicap. You can guess who won that one.

Yeah, I'm gonna imagine Yeah that Listen sitting't losing any handicaps beat.

Cut well, well, he beat Kyle Gordon. In June, he did a wrestling super show in Pemberke, Ontario against the aforementioned Hannibal Devil Nicholson, where they wrestled each other to a disqualification. That was on June twenty, two thousand and eight. And then he worked a wrestling super show card as it was called in Hawkesbury and Antario against a wrestler named a Tiger Raj Singh, where he defeated him on

Of course, listen, you gotta do what you gotta do.

And he's in jeans and Jimmy Hart is in Sid's corner to get the heat.

I guess, I guess what the fuck is Jesus, it's like with Jimmy Hart going to add that little extra for draw edge.

You think we've seen you think we've seen Sid standing around before?

Wait?

D you see this one? A lot of standing around. He body slams Jerry Lawler about six times after several lock ups to start the match, and then he punches him and stands around. Lawler eventually does his comeback, throws a low blow at a drop kick. Jimmy Hart gets up on the ape and tries to hold Jerry Lawler

Of course.

My favorite thing about Sid bar none is that he sells everything as if he should be supine ready to be put into the grave. Yep, right, every move it's either no selling and he's getting back to his feet to get to his chokes, like the power Bomb, where he is fucking a corpse on the ground motionless for minutes on end, laying there even to the detriment of the flow of the match, like why since not getting up at all?

Fucking uh, mister Purfs should taking some notes from Sid. Oh shit, it's selling that fucking stone Cold Center in two thousand and two.

No, I mean he sells the roll up like Owen should have sold the Summer Slam ninety seven roll up. He just lays there like the roll up is a knockout blow.

I probably couldn't get up. It's probably stuff so uh, I can't get the rest Kevin Lawler, get over free Lawler. I know you're all her son King right, just looking me in the eye. You something real simple. I can't get up. That is real simple, said you might.

You realize when you're giving an urgent message, you know, ear to ear and the people can't hear you, you don't have to do the it's real simple preface. You don't have to say that.

I know what you're talking about. This is how I talk. These are the things that I say, right all right, and I'm gonna make it real simple for.

You, he said, says it again, and he says, by the way.

There, I don't want to make things complicated, right, God forbid. I don't know if you don't want to make them complicated for my sake or for your sake, But that's fine, And he says, this is what I'm gonna say. He said that it's pronounced what's pronounced sake, the wine, the Japanese sake. For God's sake, Will you get over here, gunner. They taught me that in Japan. Wait to hear what else they taught him in Japan. I can't wait to

You know.

As great as he was in his own right, Lawler was like foil to so many wrestlers who straddle the generations, you know, and you could go back to it because Lawler did not work a style that you couldn't do even when you were really old and beyond your years. And it was the promos were so strong that you could just pick up or you left off from a promo perspective. We heard you remember the one we called him a baby banger, Terry Funk.

No, I don't remember that.

He came back here that outdoor promo where he was like on his farm and he's a baby banger to get people in the building in like two thousand and four to see him wrestle Jerry Lawler one more time. And they went all around the horn. MLW A bunch of indies in the Northeast. They're just tremendous and so sid The beneficiary of that is well here all the way in the year two thousand and eight, after which he could do very little beyond just like we mentioned,

Wow. So I'm going to tell you something, guys. Good.

That's where I've said this before, is that we have to do as workers in this business. We have to learn how to be comfortable in an uncomfortable situation. One of them sometimes is what a lot of times means is I can make someone feel uncomfortable by not moving. This is what Sid is offering. I can make someone uncomfortable by not moving, he says.

I'm want to say you something. I want to say something right now. I will make you feel uncomfortable. I can promise I'll make you feel by not moving. I will stand perfectly still and you will find no comfort.

You know what.

I don't really disagree with him Sid standing there not moving it kind of works.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, Jesus.

And he's basically, yeah, you know why you're not moving Sid because your leg doesn't work anymore. Right, but it's now a psychology right, So again a luxury that Jerry Lawler afforded so many veterans that they could find in just one more payday that had a spark of the old time, even when they could barely move, like Terry Funk could barely move, because Lawler had set expectations such that people didn't feel ripped off even if the match

I think? I think it's Sid. I think Sid finds a way much like life and Jeff Goldbloom in Jurassic Park, Sid finds a way.

Sid does find a way to get booked until we give you that. So I'm going to play for you a little bit of that sound from the aforemntioned interview that he did with the In Your Head podcast said talking about being uncomfortable and uncomfortable situations and not moving.

Yeah, I was. You know, that's a nice job. People crazy because you're gonna realize that, what with all of a thousand million times a thousand million industry get in the ring sometimes, so that's sometime uncomfortable doing and that puts a lot of people in an uncomfortable situation. But no, I like it like that, and now I think it's TV and it's going to be something we need to have down to ever do a little segment and everything.

And you know, Bamba, he's talking now about Bam Bam Bigelow. Let me go ahead just a little bit.

I'm gonna tell you some guys what we have to as workers in this business. We have to learn how to be comfortable and an uncomfortable situation. And one of them sometimes is, uh, what longest time means? I can make someone feel uncomfortable? But by not moving, I feel real comfortable.

By not moving, I'm not gonna want me too.

You know, whatever match before me or whatever dictator fast, I'm I'm moving in the ring, and uh, I think Kings gives me what you don't see with many people today. I've got a calm about me that you just don't see. And what I got that from was from him. Honestly, I got my you know, a lot of the on tough interview stuff, the ability to do that you know, you got to realize in these interviews in the day, we had to do these things on a fly miss Live TV. So that's something he taught me how to

A lot to him to be able to do that. Do you think he could make you feel comfortable in an uncomfortable situation or vice versa.

I think he'd I think he'd maybe feel uncomfortable most of the time.

So calendar turns to two thousand and nine. He hits up to Montreal and works in more shows against the likes of Frankie the Mobster and Handsome JF and Jeff Johnson. He works a wrestling super show in thunder Bay, Ontario on two and eighteenth, So it's a lot of work in Canada. And in these later years he wrestles Jim Duggan in two thousand and nine, I invite you to consider God. And then he goes to work for the Juggalos.

A j W O stable in Oh My God j c W and in the Psycho Sid music and he was a surprise.

They would that's what they would do with j CW. As they would hire eighties guys and they would come in and do two moves, not unlike how Paul Haym and you Sid, you know what I mean. It wasn't like anything long term. It wasn't a contract if they

Stay, and all that.

All the above, and no doubt Haul helping the psycho. One get a taste of that in seeing clown posse money and wear a baggy hockey jersey in his own right. So he got the tag. In the match, he stood there static for several minutes. He slapped a guy and choke slammed one after the other, choke slamming everybody. It's very clear what you're signing up for when you bring Sid in, especially at this point in his life and career, and that he power bombed a guy and that's that.

That's that's that's wild.

And in two thousand and nine, I mean, come on, like, how how is it worth it bringing that guy in?

I really? I mean obviously they're this the you're not doing well that promotion. Also one guy, do what you can, but.

One guy who was excited to see him there, because this was one of those promotions that pulled together, you know, just about anybody who was on the circuit that had just left WWE and had a bit of that name recognition. Rob van Dam was was on this tour and Rob Dandam was someone, as we talked about when we mentioned sid zcw Run, that was you know, very gregarious towards Sid, welcoming somebody that uh Rob is always good about building

I know, I'm trying to figure who else was there. And I remember Sid when Sid came and then and left.

Remember talk about that for a second though.

So Sid hadn't been wrestling and in years and years and years, and he wanted to go back to w WE. So I'm pretty sure he thought they're just doing this easy overseas tour would get his name in the sheet. You know, there's a lot of long uh, Prima Donna has to learn. You know, you don't always get to go to the gym or get a full night sleep.

You might be.

Getting in late checking it. So he was pissed about all of that.

And then yeah, remember one time he got flown ahead of us and met us at the hotel.

Uh.

But yeah, like his first night in I think it was, he wrestled Xpot and he hit him with a clothesline.

That towards bicep. Yeah, yeah, his arm was all purple.

And and so for the next couple of days he was complaining about the tour, but also you know, kind of using his arm as a reason, you know, to be able to and and I saw that happening, and I was supposed to wrestle him like in a few days, and I really wanted to. I want to have a singles match with him, you know, I thought, uh, and

They right off the bat.

He just kicked in the stomach and mob power bomb and then he went home.

Wow.

Yeah, I was bombed because I wanted to work with him.

Oh man, Rob Jesus, you know, this is what the sound that that Sid makes when whenever he has any kind of injury, totally just looking at the injury, screaming at the injury, exactly, screaming like nobody wants to help him in that kind of situation, Like nobody wants to come near to somebody who's screaming that wildly, you know, like a wounded animal. I mean it's like, yeah, exactly, well, it's like, you know, it's a Yeah, it's a wounded animal.

I don't want to It's an animal that does know the difference between someone trying to approach to help and someone trying to approach to make you hurt.

Worse right, and you know what, he doesn't care. That's correct, That's it.

It's so funny that Arbady thinks like Sid can be lobbied to actually try. In two thousand and nine, he is gone, my friend, he is gone.

Listen, listen the moment the moment you give him a check, right, all right? He is done? That is it? And Sid is done.

And it's amazing. He's not just crushing the Jabronis who've been mentioning. I mean XPOC, you know, someone that he worked with in WWF and presumably he had a lot of respect for it, just as much tenure in this business and respecting this business as he did. Nope, he's going down to in seconds and he's getting on a plane. I just love it so much that he did that.

I mean, listen, if you go into a lodge, that's that's where the money's at. I agree, you know, I, I you know, I always whenever you say a lodge or something like that. I always think at the time I went to the Lions Club to see a Wrestling OH match and it was like a cancel because of snow. But there were like three rows of chairs, you know, around the ring. Three rows. That's it. I would have loved to have experienced that.

That's where people who really love the business go out and give it. They're all yeah, and Sid certainly fit that description. But you know, it's time for the law to catch up with Sid because we've been talking about how hard he blows cushy, how high he stays and

What is this?

It happened in January of twenty and eleven. Wow Associated Press Dateline. Memphis wrestler Psycho Sid Udy is free on bail after being arrested in Memphis on a marijuana possession charge. Police say they pulled the fifty year old ut over Friday for not wearing a seat belt. Excuse me, sir, license and registration?

Please? Why you ask it for stuff? All right?

Call for backup. I mean, of all the things to come back at an officer with, why are you asking for stuff? I mean, this guy's clearly already fucked.

Up, sir.

We need to see some some form of identification to get a sense of whether you're a danger on the road.

Okay, now I want you to the cop says. Okay. By the way, now I want you to look me in the eye because I want to tell you something is real simple. What you're doing right now it's bogus, the most bogus that you've ever pulled off. Now, I want to know, sir, how do you know me?

Like?

Have we run into each other before? I want to know something.

Is it?

Because go ahead, sir, you pull me over. Because I'm not a big movie star like Hulk Hogan, the Great Immortal One himself. This is because I'm a newcomer. I want to tell you something right now. You couldn't arrest me on your best day. Oh really, as he fondles the handcuffs on his waist, And I couldn't arrest myself on my worst.

He would say something close to that inadvertently. Of course, he'd mean something very loge right, he would, but that's how it would come out. Marijuana possession charge. Police say they pulled the fifty year old duty over Friday for not wearing a seat belt. Wmc TV in Memphis reports an officer saw a bag containing eighteen grams of marijuana on an arm rest in the car.

Oh god, mister Udy.

Is it okay? Looking at your license here? Arkansas? Huh West Memphis, right over the river.

And got a problem with that? Not at all? No, just well you asking questions Marion? Do you live in Marion?

No?

Now I want to tell you something again. Now I'm rotten. Now delivering food to the poor looks like you're delivering a lot more than me. Looks like you're delivering a lot more than food. Shut it, you shut up. Oh shit, I'm delivering one hundred and fifty cans of Vienna sausages. Excuse feedrol, excuse me.

Suspect says he's delivering one hundred and fifty cans of Vienna sausages. Back up to root seventy five. Please, well, I can confirm dispatch looking in this trunk. There do appear to be many cans of Vienna sausages in this trunk. So that isn't a euphemism for drugs.

I gonna tell you something else.

I'm giving bowl water.

Sir. Just please stay on your knees on the shoulder, please, just please. I can't get on my knee, so usually stand off. I broke my leg. Tell you what off, Tell you what he tells him. Tell you what officer he started. He suddenly realizes he's fucked. Tell you what. This is all a big misunderstanding. How about this? How about I give you you Let me go. I'm gonna say you autograph picture. I'll send you one, so the office.

Yeah, eighteen grams of marijuana on the arm rest in the car. He also faced charges of driving without a license. Well, that will come into play later. He was released on one thousand dollars bond. Beauty of Marion was known as Sid Vicious in World Championship Wrestling and a Sid Justice and Psycho Said and the World Wrestling Federation. A message left Sunday from Memphis Police was not immediately returned. A

Everyone knows there's not a bigger pot smoker than myself. I like the idea that we have this, and I'm a I've got everyone knows there's not a bigger pot smoker than myself. I like the idea that we have this, and I'm a I've got my marijuana card, marijuana car here for Arkansas. I think you had better marijuana when it wasn't legalized. They're just running cheap streath through the thing right now. But I think that has to be legalized.

We can't.

I hope that anyone Republican or Democrat didn't take a stance on something that just you're taking a stance just because that's where your party believes. When you really know it's it's it's it could really help people. Yeah, and help the help so many of the tax but so much and they pay so much in tax you know, they.

Do pay so much in taxes.

And just know that, you know, if you're in a state going forward that legalizes recreational marijuana use, or if you're in a state that embraces it, or if ever the day comes boss where you know, the federal law changes to decriminalize marijuana, the day will come. And when that day comes, I want you to think of sid Okay.

We'll do. And that's that. That's the legacy.

He leaves behind driving without a license with eighteen grams of marijuana and plain sight. But the end is those are hidden under lock and key.

Damn right. I couldn't find those if you try.

Now.

I mentioned that the missing license thing. I highlighted that for a reason, we are now entering the point in Sid's life where it becomes essentially a meme that he misses shows, oh boy, and miss his shots for indie promoters. And these indie promoters are a little more savvy than the ones he may have tried to get one over on a decade ago, in that they know how to use social media to broadcast to people like, this is the game he's playing, this is the promises he.

Made, you know, here's the proof.

Here are the receipts, as they say, and this is what he said he would do, and this is what we ascertained he actually went ahead and did. And then these are the excuses he made when he didn't show up. And then patterns start to emerge across different promoters as they talk about dealing with Sid. This could be for autograph signings or wrestling matches or appearances, they're all sort of the same. And he is always citing a license thing.

And this is.

Where sid his reputation for playing all these games crystallizes, and the whole house of cards falls apart. Like if you believe he got screwed once, you're like, oh, wait, he's actually he's actually claimed to have been screwed that way ten thousand times, right, Or this one promoter got in his bad side and he screwed him in no weight. There are ten thousand promoters he never once dealt with, beyond it one no show that feel the same way about him. And so this becomes fairly or unfairly, I

You know he does.

He goes in the ring and gives the whole audience Sid's personal phone number.

So they, oh my god, so they can blow him up with complaints for no showing.

Oh my god, that I believe Sid had had a whacky call forwarding mechanism where it was like, is it really his number? People didn't even know, mister, I don't have a computer, had like Google voice, you know, of course. And here's the email that that any promoter wrote to a wrestler's on that gives us a real uh, a real flavor.

Boss.

I'm gonna turn it over to you get your best, get your best indie voice on. And these are the things that they start to.

So good oh my god.

Hold on, uh, these are the things that start to get disseminated and things that start to get to be known about about Sid's dealings. This is from the promoter Eric, who went by Eric.

Tap out.

Okay, because he's comfortable with you knowing his name exactly, and go right to head boss. What did the email read?

Hold on here? What is it? The Wait a minute, which one is the proto? Chris?

There?

I'm sorry, something else came into the bottom. Okay, hold on a lot here? Now where's this guy from? Who's this guy? He's the promoter of a wrestling outfit called Pro Wrestling Syndicate. Hey, Chris, thanks for the email. I enjoyed your your editorial, and do not fault you in any way, shape or form for not having the full story. See, you were simply going by what you were told from a wrestler whom should be a valid, reliable source. The way we handled the SID no show was definitely a

Top, also known by the way Boss is a big misunderstanding.

SID has burned us three times now. First time we had Sid booked was for May twenty eleven, said just to sign autographs at the Queen's Elks Lodge for ninety minutes before the show and wrestle against Eddie Kingston that night. Said it was paid in full. When he arrived, he was in private room with Nick Foley and Velvet Sky for autographs with a lot of two hundred plus. After legit fifteen minutes had got up, walked awayside and I don't feel like doing this anymore, going to the back.

Does A guy who always said I never wanted to travel, I don't want to leave the country. It's go to Africa in twenty eleven.

Okay, oh god, you know. One week before August twenty shows, said contact PWS saying he needed us to fly in his girlfriend as well just keep people happy. We agreed. A day later, she contact us again and said not to fly and his girlfriend. But since we agreed to it, to just give him the money for the flying. I don't get the problem. I don't know why it is

Pro wrestling seem to get a as a New York promotion, I know, but I guess this guy's an Athens, Georgia.

You know, listen, everyone's fine, you know, it's it's a melting pot, it's a it's a you know, it's you know, this New York. The people from everywhere, you know.

It was.

I can't imagine a new you know, outside of Paul Hayman real New York are doing a wrestling promotion. It was pulled from Dan Van Sherman store again with a focus. So just let's just do whatever it takes to get Sid to PWS to ps of fans to then phone back to say that he would not do the full ninety sign the PWS. At that point, PWS explained that he agreed to do that and that's the major reason

If anyone can find it. I really appreciate it's a dead YouTube link. Now, a lot of this stuff was blasted out at the time and has since been taken down. Probably Sid, Sid's lawyer gun on the phone. But yeah, right, I'd love to see Jay.

Lethal's uh, you know, chip Onto sh Older ciinimitation God. Yes, that would be absolutely amazing. After all this perhaps the most complexing thing the t pws that fans have to contacted us asking will Sid be at the next show? Right, Hurts.

It comes down to that, And that's a great note there from from the promoter, Like we went through all this, We're the company that gave out Sid's cell phone number and called him in the ring when he know showed And what's the What's the thing people ask most about after all this went down? So is he going to come to the next show?

When should come on the next show? What's wrong with these wrestling gus man? Like, you know this thing? I don't listen, I get it. You know, the fucking business is a fucking business, you know. So I'm not going to tell you. You know, I don't take a reform when I still watch him fucking wrestling in the ring, you know, but when Sid come back, he said, huhm h, I just I have no I have no I don't answer for you, sir at this time. I'm not I'm not obliged to say. I'm not at liberty to say. And

He doesn't even say oh I forgot, or doesn't said what are you talking about? He goes, no, I wonder he's so frustrated as this kid Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. You mean he's gonna leave like sixteen boxes of Vienna's on the front stoop of Saint Patrick's said, they don't all have pop top events.

I was gonna give Bishop an autograph picture walking around trying to hawk autograph pictures in Midtown. You understand, I got so many fucking pictures. It has to be over in New York. First down, New York. I think you understand what New York means to me. I'm sorry, dad, we stopped speaking with a stupid fucking accident from New York. Stop being a bitch. Did you do it?

Did you go up to the promoter and say, why are you fucking with me? His sid wants to know if he's gonna get booked again so we could do it again, So we.

Can do it again. This guy keep this game going on. I don't know, Erica, you have to fly my girlfriend over and all right, fine, I don't know. He keeps going. I'm gonna say, here's the thing. Now, I lost my wallet stolen. That's what happened. I was going in Delhi. I was getting a package of bubble gum. Oh, I'm sorry, man, I don't know what happened. I got my package of bubble cow and okay, and how to go from there? Said? Tell me the exact story about how you lost your wallet.

Oh?

My god, gun back my head.

So if this happens, said, I'd imagine if I called Memphis police, they would confirm it.

Right, you can call anybody you want, they'll confirm me. Ha ha ha.

And at the end he goes, so, just just so we are on the same page, Eric, who are you gonna call? And like before he calls him, Sid calls him, you'd listen to me right now.

They listen to me right now. I want you to understand something you make that call, bad things gonna happen.

You can call anybody you want and they'll confirm it. But I'll tell you one thing. If you make those calls, bad things are gonna happen. So okay, let's go back to the story. Then said, I won't call anybody. I'll take your word for it. I mean, you've been missed an upfront with us. So a guy just walked up this mus have been horrifying. You guys walked up to you and what stuck a gun in your back or something?

Going to tell you were struck a gun. That's called Franklin on your business. What happened was he struck a gun and he said, sid, I'm taking your wallet. It is so funny that he refuses to specify where the gun was, like like, that's like that's something to withhold. There's any reason whatsoever to make that the the withheld detail, like and there's no way you know, and it's like nothing, you know, you can say whatever he wanted to exactly. That's what I mean. It's all he gets a risk

And then what happened He put the gun and then you just gave him your wallet.

He put the gun because he say he's gonna shoot me.

Now.

I don't know about you, but I don't know if you've ever been threatened not that before, but I have. And I got a broken leg and I don't have what I had when I was younger because my leg snapped in half. And so I said, he knew what I didn't want. There are other people in the deli, people eating food. I said, I'm looking. I'm not going to risk the safety of others. And they're all looking. They all saw the gun in my back right? Oh true? Oh what was your back? Okay, behind me? Thanks for

That's how he's been victimized by that before. It's not gonna happen again, he said. He said, taking library cards out.

With my name not book.

Said, Oh, well, you know, Sid, I'm glad we talked it out because at the end of the day, I'm frustrated that you're not here. But it sounds like you did the honorable thing.

You fuck with me, great response, he sniffs. He sniffs an opportunity to turn it around, because right because if he takes this chance to make it like like he's like he's been offended, then like he he can just talk his way around any further inquiry about, you know, the betrayal. That's tremendous stuff. He would totally do that. I'm insulted. At the end of the day, I'm insulted, and I'm wondering why he's doing this to me. Why do I have to get in all this detail with you?

Oh ship, He's not he's he's not even like being, you know, ephimistic about it anymore. He's just saying he's gonna fuck you up. Call the cops, go ahead, do it.

You want to call police on me, fine, I won't.

Show up right and I'll tell him I was just a gunpoint and two hours ago, and this guy's give me a hard time.

I want to say this. I told this guy exactly what happened. I told him now. I was a gunpoint by.

Eighty men, and I saved all those lives in that deli, And now you're coming around trying.

To I'm a Goddamn, he wrote, this guy's giving me a hard time.

Now.

I don't know what kind of stress this man's ever been under, but I doubt I doubt he's ever had a gun. Let a litone eighty guns aimed at it, at various parts of his body. Eighty start counting one, two and get to eighty, and then so many guns there are. I mean, like your entire body would be covered with like fifteen, you know, let alone eighty. Just and all those people bring all that firepowers, they could dig one guy's wallet exactly because they know exactly who

You heard in that story and that email from the promoter, that part of the gig was that Sid was to do a taping for k Fabe Commentaries. He has never

It's amazing and how.

Many, uh, how many wild and crazy stories you have trying to corral these carnies.

For sure, I can imagine, Oh my.

God, and that it's called k fabe stories you're not supposed to hear from a pro wrestling production cony owner. And he talks about this moment with Sid. We also, I'm not going to do this accent. I could try it. We also had an episode of Breaking Kfabe Ready to Go for Sid Vicious If you remember, that series focuses on the people behind the wrestling personas a large part of Sid's show was written to focus on the pervasive notion that Sid was problematic to hire. From a talent standpoint,

Sid had done to shoot. This is a great question.

Sid had done to shoot interview with another company before, but outside some podcasts, not appeared on a shoot program in some time. We thought this would be a good get for us, but talking about the upcoming booking was always accompanied by a disclaimer about the great possibility that this wouldn't happen. I'm always one to give someone the benefit of the doubt.

Now I want to tell you some right now. The one thing I can promise you is that this may not happen.

Yeah, that is a promise it is prepared to make, can confirm. So through the frivolity, we pressed on and were ready to go. The suite was booked, contractors hired, show written, and my soup pressed and in the garment bag. Around eleven am on the day we were to shoot, I got a text from another shoot producer letting me know as a courtesy that he heard Sid was not on the plane.

Wow.

I immediately texted the promoter through whom we booked Sid. He said he didn't have details yet, he'd get back to me. Well, that's sure, a shit didn't sound like Sid's on the flight, and we'll be here in a couple of hours. I waited impatiently for the promoter who had Sid advertised to headline two days of shows for his company to call with news. He got back to me with the inevitable and an explanation from Sid. Mister Vicious would not be boarding a flight that day.

He did not be. That's right, and damn right.

Seems he lost his wallet at the airport and wouldn't be able to fly. I was because this this was lost.

At the airport. God loss at the airport.

That one's coming to, not that morning, not two hours from then, and I guess not at all. He had to get right to work finding the wallet and straightening up the ramifications of its loss. Our loss was negligible. We didn't pay anything. I canceled the suite, told our contractors there was no payday that weekend, and scratched the show from the release calendar. No Loss really just no.

Sid a laptand wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack N. Carn Seo, MJP Soro.

Wow, so I think we have our working title No Loss really just knows it And now no No maybe he started to get all shady about these indie shots because WWE was actually suddenly like actually entertaining, bringing him in for the first time after all these years as part of the Raw one thousand festivities we've been talking about. I'm going to provide you boss with a link and anybody out there in the Solar system can find the same file this on YouTube. There's a couple of versions

I'm ready. All right, let's let it roll in three to one play.

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Vader, Look at Vader, look at him by the door going up with a nag Vander Ball. And then last week it was the Sad Sack Foley. It calls sad Sack. Yeah, they got called to call him sad Sack. And then he called Roddy Piper decrepit.

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A superstar who hasn't been on Raw in fifteen years. As we go to break, we Come Back.

Contest features a former Raw main eventnor It's the Honor The one thousand episode of Monday Night Raw, July twenty third, please welcome former two times.

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Say that Piper is a pitch exactly. Say you're seeing like a bird.

Like a vulture.

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She said earlier he was pretty as a picture.

So Cindy Lapper framed him an autograph picture one man, Ye, look at his hair? What Vader.

I don't care your Roddy Piper thinks about me. Yeah, I am one of the top superstars on RAW. I am He's Slater.

And ah rule the world.

Oh boy, oh man, I said, ah, because I miss a music cue.

Whoa wait just a minute, look at this.

Describe what you see, please, Oh my god, Peter, it comes out. He's got jeans, he's wearing a vest, He's got knee pads over his jeans. He looks like an eighty year old man. He get into year old man. Let me like like that. Terry Funk looks younger than him. He used to call himself two times. I mean, his hair is a disaster, just fucking He thinks this is the start of a run, and oh, he definitely does. He thinks he's getting world titled by everyone's gonna agree

It was part of a million dollar corporation. He won his first championship in the nineteen ninety six Survivor.

Series Dye Jeans. Listen to those people, yep. One man shocking throws his open hand on on Heath Slater's throat and.

Just standing around from West Memphis.

Oh, he's kicking him. Was it his bad leg though?

Who sets him on the top rope with a double goosele and slaps him.

Jesus out of the apron. He's doing nothing, He's doing nothing. He lifts him up. Oh, the worst spinebuster in the history. Just move after move with no nothing in between. Oh, he misses the right hand. He goes to the bad psychology said false. He's down on all both knees. Oh, he's selling all right. He gets up, hells over with the clothesline, just takes his head off. It looks like an old farmer. He drops a leg.

Get here, Psycho call spots Patten did release power bomb?

Thank you? Michael Cole said, oh he did. Look he puts his hand on his chest. Oh, he definitely thinks he's getting a run. Psycho sick. Is this for deacent? Serious tuning? And that man is he looks absolutely spent rona celebrator?

What time this episode?

And he knocks on the one man rock Man eats lighter. Well he's a little older, but.

He still Psycho.

I hope he does come over here.

Hey from Psycho to Beautiful Superstars, Psycho said, Psycho said, still.

Psycho said, takes me all the way back to what great American Bash eighty nine? Yeah, just the sight of him, and they can't stop chanting his name even after all these years.

Oh yeah, he looks like a guy.

He looks like a guy who showed up to complain that his property tax bill is too high.

Oh for sure. Absolutely, he does not look like a wrestler anymore. No, he is definitely.

Yeah.

He listen, he is upset because he his farm is losing money, right, all right, government overreach. Yeah, you know he's a guy that says that with a straight face. That's that's where he's at in life. And he and he and he, you know, he just he just looks like a guy who is now just a citizen, you.

Know, exactly, and he's no longer special. And you know, he reflected favorably on the experience he was asked about on his podcast, and he said it was fun for what it was. He says, I think you know there was some indies and they.

Told me I was going to get a run. I don't you know, I don't know exactly what happened, because they told me, you know, they said, Sidy, you come in here, you win the match. If you win the match, he would give you a possible run. I thought the phone was going to ring. I was waiting for the phone around. It's not a contract or.

Sid again walking in the door, absolutely refusing to do anything but powerbomb one two three, exactly tremendous. Oh, she said, I enjoyed it a lot s later. It's a great guy to work with, and he made it a totally night totally a night off.

Well he did. He did come back. He came back a wrong wrong one thousand. Oh. The show itself, okay, do you stand in the ring? I kind of remember this. He was reading it here. So on July twenty third, he he helped Lita take down Heath Slater, so a bunch of them all came out. It was yeah, Sid, and I'm looking at the picture now on Wikipedia. Sid Rakishi, Piper, DDP, Bob Beckland, Slaughter, Farouk, jbl Animal and Voder.

It was like an ensemble. Yeah, I remember him being in an ensemble scene.

Now that you say that, I mean he's looking at it he's like he just pissed off, and he's not. When you look at his face, he looks like a complete Oh he's just not even there. It's just a background character. It's not what he showed up for.

He's got to be made a bentner, all right, sole focus can't even be in a tag team or stately. But yeah, I was just going through matches and that's not a match.

So yeah, that's right. So there he is.

And you know they asked him once about, you know, what he thought about the reception he got in the back. He said, you know, it was a really good reception in the back. Everybody was real respectful. A couple of guys I knew, younger guys they were again said a few things. I won't say what, but just really nice to hear. I had a lot of respect for those guys as well.

Why he won't say if it's nice to hear, what's wrong?

What do you?

I'm just I say that only to illustrate the classicness of Sid. Every time he puts his mouth, it's like, oh, okay, that was that was actually a pleasant experience and a pleasant response.

All there it is.

There's the twist at the end, where he was kind of aggrieved and somehow it insulted by the whole thing. But no, he says it was a good experience all around. One thing he did note, though, about the changes in the business and the company when he went back for this twenty twelve stint, if you want to call it, that was that he just couldn't survive in the way that everything was set up back then at that time period.

I think the scriptive part.

And I was a part of that anniversary show several years ago, and man, I'm telling you, everybody's there is unhappy.

No.

I remember he Slater, he had to do an interview. He woulted to change like one little word.

And if he would have changed that one word, just phrased it a little bit, it would have been a better interview. But he was scared to do that because he would have got in trouble. Now, if I'd been in that spot and it being a live TV I would have changed it because I knew I would have got myself over a lot of times, like the wwe don't have things set up for you, we don't get over, And I think that's a big mistake.

Let the people get over.

That can get over.

Oh, he would have just been Wow. He would have been such a peach to work with you. When Brian Wert's hands on a script or something, you know, it would have been just great. I can't imagine why they didn't call him. Maybe it was that perspective, or maybe it was this. Maybe it was in the shoot interview he first did with RF video shortly after leaving WWFN in nineteen ninety seven. This is early in nineteen ninety eight.

I wake up every morning morning Monday through Friday at four o'clock and at twoes to five, I'm working out my first workout. Then from there I take a shower, I go to my second workout and then I run bleachers at nine thirty when I top moth foot touches at the top of that bleacher. Every time, that's Vince in one of these days.

The same thing about is I'll outlive Vince, and I'll outlive I will rustle longer than his ring too, so I'll have the last word.

Either he worked for him again one day and he has to bow to me or give in to me, or I'll be working working for the other company just you know, should more fucking shit on me.

Then's any response to that? Well, you know the thing about Sid is, you know he has been He's an exceptional talent. He certainly has had, you know, a lot of successes here in the w W. We're proud of all the accomplishment accomplishments that he's had. He's may have been in WrestleMania twice. He has provided significant uh entertainment factors regarding the legacy of Monday Night Raw and the

He said that he was going to outlive you, and that was the solace he told me. The thing about that is, you know, sid any update, any update on that front. Then as entertainer, you know said at his course, an entertainer, And what he does is he provides entertainment. Now, if we know something about entertainment, is that entertainment it's not real. Entertainment is something that is created to provide some sort of emotional response. So what he does is

H What happened all that?

Uh?

All those kind words at the beginning, that that olive branch there, all those nice things you said.

I don't recall saying nice things. I said facts.

True.

I didn't say anything that was embellished. I didn't say anything that was that was nice. I simply stated facts that he was an entertainer, but he worked for the w he had. He had monumental moments. We have things that we remember. I didn't say anything that that was nice. I dictated facts. How do you see? How do you How can you be so confident? I mean, you're a lot older than he is that you're not going to go to the grave first, because, like I said, I'll

When he runs to the top of those bleachers at the high school and Marion or wherever and he steps on that top rung, he feels like he's stepping on you. Any response to that, Well, let's see him try to step on me for real, and again we'll see what happens. If I'm at the top of the bleachers and he comes to step on me, I'm gonna throw him off the bleachers.

It's so basic.

I'm yeah, I'm gonna throw him off the bleachers. It's like he just falls, like he gets hurt, but it's not like a not dramatical exactly. It's funny that it said hiring a hit man to take you out with a bullet to the temple. He hires someone to shove you down and you hurt your wrist, and that's it.

I imagine Vince lying on the bleachers. You're lying there waiting for Sid to come up. Gohead, step on me, pill nobody such a tough guy. Step on me, Step on me.

Let me ask you a question, Vince. Did he do the right thing by phrasing it that way?

Did he do the right thing? I mean, let me ask you this is it'd ever done the right thing? Right now? You tell me that he has, I'll show you ways that he hasn't.

He was holding out for a day like when, like he said, when you would have to come kiss his ass, you have to come beg him to get involved.

No, I've never had to beg right, I never will beg I get pussy just by looking at a woman, all right. I see what I want and I get it. I don't beg for it. I don't need to, because I get what I want, and when I'm done wanting it, I throw it away. And I was done wanting Sid a long time ago. And it's not my fault that that's been the dominant narrative in his own mind ever

Mm hmm.

So that be a word to the wise. Do not go on shooting interviews. Yeah, and say you're gonna outlive Vince McMahon. That's how you're gonna win. Last person I heard say that Terry funk in the grave. Yeah, I bet Stuhart said that. I bet Fritz van Eric said that, I bet verne Ganja said that I bet a million people. I bet Jim Helwig said that, I bet Bruno. Sim Martino said that Superstar buy Graham. You don't bet against Satan get in the fucking grand ground.

All right, you don't bet against Satan. I'll never fucking say I'll outlive in sick Man. Fuck No, no, nope, got a Why would you want to track that? Juju?

Ye?

That is just a horrible situation being Sid for you what, I won't outlive VI sick Man? How about that? Just so money? That's what it came down to for Sid.

Yeah, but yeah, after this, not a really a peep for years on the indie scene, doesn't work any matches for the next several years. He resurfaces in twenty seventeen, however, at a tenth anniversary super show in Ottawa for Great North Wrestling, where he faces and defeats a wrestler by the name of Paul Rosenberg. Now this is significant because Paul Rosenberg in his sidekick. I don't know a lot about the circuit at that time, but they were doing it.

Know of the flight.

Oh my god.

One of the indie promoters that Sid fails to show up for suddenly takes to Facebook one day and writes, which one of you buttholes told Sid that the owner of the promotion is a giant Trumpster. Oh I hope you're happy he decided to not get in a plane for our friends at another wrestling company, so he won't be appearing for us either. We are really disappointed but now we can finally say we are like our friends in the other company, and we'll get to what company that is.

But it's now.

It's now and a new playground for Sid. This article here by Roger Girinoff apologies for Not Is It Wrestling, Inc. From twenty eighteen, Former WW and WW World Heavyweight Champion Sid Vicus canceled an appearance at last night's Excite Wrestling event. The promotion noted on Facebook last week that Sid canceled the booking because the owner of the promotion, Johnny Moose, is a.

Donald Trump supporter.

Boy Vicious had skipped an I A Double A i W show last December, claiming he had travel issues due to Trump's travel man. Excite Wrestling followed suit and had a wrestler dress up as Sid and deliver a power bomb at the show.

I tried, I said, you know, I will go to the airport and all of a sudden, our Don Trump ain't letting Sid travel, right, he said, ceut banned from travel, Tump Sid beauty travel.

Well, I'll tell you what. One place, one promotion he doesn't have travel very far for is a company called MCW based not too far from his home. In the beautiful state of Arkansas. So this is a shot that Sid could make by car. And so there's no flight issues to cite, no flight issues to be concerned about or get tripped up on. And it's in this promotion.

Ah.

I'll tell you what it was is I had this idea and what it was is a little bit to do with this cilly election, you know, And I used that too, But no, it's it was just something i'd come up with that friend of mine, his name is Very Norman. He's a writer, and a guy named Peter Zeil. There's a thing called briggs Meyer protocols, Like if you had, like in Mon's case, you had a bad leg, where they could put a chip in your brain and they can pretend, you know, not pretend that you would have

Uh.

But I did what it was I said, I did the operation. What it was I said, I told the people. I said, and this is while I'm still a babyface, I said, don't wact around so anymore. Is I have this operation, and I have this operation. I have to take science over faith. That means over God. And I was gonna call myself Israel. You know when Israel, you know, fought with God, had got a bad hip out of the deal, remember that, right, Well, I told everybody I get God the bad hip, you know, just you know.

Boss. Does that sound ready for prime time? To you? Ramblings of a madman? What he really? He really is a fucking coop? What is he talking about? I mean, seriously, what did you what did you take from that? I don't really know, honestly. I mean he he wants to is he a nation?

Is he?

Is he representative of that? Is that what he wants to do? I don't he's That's the most I don't even know what to call that. It's it's beyond insane, it's beyond stupid, it's like beyond offensive. It's just it really, there is a a there's a category of its own that has yet to be invented, and that's where that belongs. Would you like to see Israel at action?

Oh?

Fuck my life?

You like to see what this looked like? And a promotion called shit mcw is sid finally gets the chance to let his creative juices flow. All right, if you want to find it on YouTube. Israel aka Psycho Sid Vicious twenty seventeen is the title of the video. And here we go, all right, three two one.

Play to the graphic nature of this program, view were described advised.

Look at him? What he lifts the mask? Look at him?

Look at the intensity. I mean he's walking around like an Alzheimer's patient.

Really he's waving.

Look at the size of the building. It's like a garage.

I mean, yeah, seriously, it's I guess this guy is the promoter of the owner. I mean he looks like a pervert. Sid has one on his shoulders. He's got these fucking like uh shoulder pads like pad for what no reason? Because he's Israel. Look at that woman in the back.

So the promoter is saying, look, let's put this behind us. Our differences and do you think you've seen Sid cut great promos before?

Boss?

Oh boy, he's the people he was saying, were eating it up. By the way, how did him stand there?

Yep?

On our side.

We need him on our side. These people are like they're what are there like seventy five people there?

Probably twenty seriously, maybe like thirty forty people.

Is that the booker back there on the desk. I don't know.

Let's have started with.

Let's come to what are you sid? What do you think Let's start over again with your football shoulder pats on?

I know.

You white last it was buzz gil, No, buzz, don't coming back to last week.

It's all men to doing this. I'll want to turn against you people.

You don't mean too much.

Anyway.

I no, guys, really, Oh.

I just go home and get a haircut. Excuse me, get your haircut and do what? Come back and be popular again? Oh my god again? Would you all accept my friendship again?

I'm sorry, I mean, guys, I mean, I don't know what.

Is he doing. I'm sorry he's apologizing, shaking hands with the promoter so much ringside here. I'm sorry, you ass me to the guy on the desk, he is like he's apologized him, and the guy doesn't forgive a ship. He's like, why am I here? He's still talking, said, still talking Devil's rejects. He has football shoulder pads on the whole time. Yeah, and like basically like a you know, like uh uh mechanic coveralls with the knacks back. God yea, and he puts on the ever. This is the people.

He's lumbering around pretending to attack this old man promoter.

And the old man fucking pretending to sell no one.

The crowds just sitting there. I mean some people are screaming, but they're just sitting there.

Some guy came down with a hat and a chair or he tell them to sit. I was in a baseball bat. Who is that clown? I'm not sure his name. It might be Buzzkill.

And wait a minute, it's not Joe, you understand.

Look at him, I mean he looks like a complete dufus football shoulder pads on yeah.

Both first he probably also a.

First or something.

Piscipalion is already said no reaction. One girl screating, but most people are looking at him. The one person screaming at him, but I, oh my god, he.

Said, I'm looking.

Damn bomb you white fresh trails.

I said this last.

I mean, I.

Okay, it's just lumbering around ringside.

I mean he's just like a mic has a cord. Oh, here comes a guy climbing up a ladder. Look at it. Yeah, he's communicating with the Is that it? That's that I'll look at there. Go to the go to the kitchen, get some food. What are they serving? I want to know. Okay, let's never watch that again. I mean, just paint the picture for people, I mean place. If it's just he's just speaking gibberish, you can't really understand what he's fucking

Again, I want you to picture like being all right, seventeen and you're gonna go trick or treating, right, and you throw a costume together, you know, because you're way too old, and you cover yourself head to toe, long sleeve black shirt with black gloves, black like you're wearing.

You wear black coveralls, is what you're doing.

And then he puts NFL shoulder pads on and they look like they're like a youth small. Yeah, they're like why definitely not his side there they do? You know, Usually you put shoulder pads on and you can see that they enhance the shoulders and these do not. And he's got the Jason mask on, a hockey mask, and he's just standing there and he's a big.

Oh fu a big. He's a big, He's a big lug. It's not scary at all. And when he tries it, and again he doesn't. He doesn't even fucking I mean, I you know, he doesn't even He just kind of talks like Sid. He doesn't. He doesn't, you know, he doesn't like actually talk like a nation or or a you know. I mean, I'm looking at the description here under the YouTube video says he who wrestles with God. Yes, that's Israel, which like he just like Sid.

Who wrestles with God, but talks like Sid Udy from here exactly, And yeah, he thinks this is ww ready And now that you watch that, Okay, now that you have just listen back to this and just realize that's what he's talking about.

I'll tell you what it was is I had this idea, and what it was is a little bit to do with this cilly election, you know, and I use that too, but no, it's it was just something i'd come up with that friend of mine. His being is very normal when he's a writer and a guy named Peter Zel. There's a thing called briggs Meyer protocols. Like if you had, like in my case, you had a bad leg where they can put a chip in your brain and they can pretend, you know, not pretend that you would have

Uh, But I did what it was.

I said, I did the operation. What it was I said, I told the people. I said, And this is while I'm still a baby face, I said, don't wact around so anymore. Is I have this operation, and I have this operation, I'd have to take science over faith. That means over God. And I was gonna call myself Israel.

Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lampsed Fan. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Jo.

I mean, I'm glad he had fun with it. I guess I that was a character. I mean, he just stood there.

With none of the personality. He had his sid and right his face is stone faced, monotone, and he's walking around and he's pivoting at the hip and looking at the people, and he's got a kid's shoulder pads on the whole time, and.

He's just I mean, listen, the only heat that was in that building was coming from the kitchen. And the hush puppies. They were bringing out exactly the locals on a Friday night, right, and he had nothing to do with sid Uh. You know, at the end of all this, my excuse me, you want to be disrespectful the nation of.

You know.

I just can't believe we lost out on this guy getting a chance to let his creative juices flow in the big leagues. I don't know how this guy didn't earn a spot on a creative team somewhere.

I want to tell you something, Vince, I got an idea. No way, yeah, all right, I'm gonna hit mute. Said, you go ahead.

You just let me know.

Tell me what your idea is. I want to be a people. Excuse me, I want to be a people. Well, you are a person, said, you're a person? You are of people? No, I want to be a people. I want to be Israel. I see, And what does this have to do with me? That's what you understand is now I'm coming back to the w w E. That's a new persona. I got a new character in mind. I want to base it on the wacky things going on the election, the wacky things so many. All right,

No?

I was talking about something. I was talking about something else, Bell, Yeah, I was talking about No. No, I'm sorry. We get we have a show in Israel and there's a psycho who's trying to book the you know, it's a whole everything, not you Israel, the the the the gimmick. This, this is not a gimmick. This is the new sid Ah, Damn Israel here Israel? All right? Well, oh man, if Sid could have just been a booker, the whole world

That's It's selful that it came down to that for Sid. You know, it's such a reality. But we're missing the silver tuna here. Oh God, we're going to talk about this part of Sid's life. If we're going to talk about the pattern of behavior that begins to emerge in the world class excuse making. He starts to make, he

He'll be here.

Promotion promotional material is out. People are counting on him. He's the draw. But as they go to record the podcast, I believe a couple days before the show was to happen that weekend, the voter John Thorne lets us know that in fact, Sid didn't.

Go to the airport. Oh boy.

The night before he did tell him on the phone, Hey brother Sid, this is looking forward to seeing you in the morning. This is according to John Thorne, and Sid said he'd give him a call. John said he went to bed and had his phone on loud all night so he can get woken up if the phone rang and he was asleep.

Never got a call.

Sid was suppose to fly at five forty am that day. John wakes up at eight thirty, no call, and he thought to himself, maybe he's just, you know, maybe just went to the airport. And I don't know, there's a fuck in at the check in or whatever. Maybe you got the wrong number, the wrong check in number, whatever. He says, you know, I'm just gonna see what happened, because it's not the easiest to find out if he's in the air or not. But you know, if you're

Canceled.

Trip isn't canceled, what do you mean, no bad weather or anything, And maybe just just canceled, you know, because it's it's he's already boarded or something like that. Maybe they just cancel it out because it's you know, it's been it's been dealt with, it's been launched. So you know what, I'm gonna call American Airlines. He says, I'm gonna let me let me see if I can get further on the phone. So he calls him up and guy answers. He says, you know, hey, I am I

But what do you mean.

All the flights are on time? It looks like to me, they said, no, Sydney Dy has canceled the trip. That's the extent of the detail he's able to get.

Now.

He's deeply frustrated, But I like the promoter we talked about before. He's got Sid's number. Yes, and he's recording a podcast, Oh my god, and he can put that sucker on speaker.

No, dude, he's doing some weird fucking hackershit with his phone. Sid, John, what's up, man, I just got back from the airport.

They've got a god damn thing on my driver's license is where it says I didn't pay a ticket, and I got to sit here. I just looked through my mail and it ain't nothing better about a fucking speaking ticket. And I guess now that fucking uh Donald Trump has got these fucking things. They can't let me get through without a passport, and I didn't have my passport. I can't find that son of a bitch.

Either, So so what happens now?

I don't know. John's why I'm sitting there looking looking around, think what to do. That's golf to follow with my lawyer. He was I was on the phone him when you called. He didn't see if anything I can do, He's and I'm not the only one that I had a friend of mine happiness that they weren't going to a wrestling show, but they were. They worked for Delta of all things, and when they tried to get connected flight to get home the other day. Some to do with this fucking

So they so they just wouldn't watch you through Huh they wouldn't let me home. Fuck. Uh yeah, I don't like. I called the airport this morning, the airline this morning, and uh, you know, they didn't have any answers for me. I was trying to call you. What was going on?

I doubt your uh uh your phone on my cell phone and I must have hit the bone digital I got over there. It wasn't going to your number. It was going to some fucking automated thing.

Oh wow, because I you know that way and have it with me.

And again, like you said, I know the girl works there a Delta. She says, there's there's nothing we can do.

Uh, well, your flight was on American I know.

That, but she works there, so I tired going and see if she knew anybody and you know, help me out on that. But she said the same thing happened to her. And then I keep remember that the other person was I didn't And it just depends what state. Who is this? I used to talk to a girl in the gym about that yesterday. That's what it was. But that's what it is, John. I can't get through because I've got some kind of fucking outstanding thing and it can't be no more of the goddamn speeding tickets.

They never really could find anything.

And then I got a ticket one day and the judge says, you better fucking find out what's going on, You're gonna be in trouble. So I went to the revenue office. Now they look they just said, hey, we can't find anything. And that's what's so weird about it when they look it up. Even when I get pulled over, they changed nothing on your records showing that you shouldn't have shouldn't be able to get your driver's license. I finally got so, and I've had them that for over

Yeah, you know that's Uh, this kind of sucks for me because I had a lot, you know, I sold a lot of tickets for tonight.

I know, John, and I'm I'm not upset more than you are, of course, but I'm pissed about everything that I pissed down that I don't have a fucking driver's license.

Yeah, I just don't know how I'm gonna explain it to people, you know, right, It's.

Just I don't know, man, man right now, and I've got ten thousand fucking other things stupid, and it's just a. Yeah, I spent seven years trying to figure this fucking thing out. I thought it was behind me.

And because they.

Said the colendar, they said, what it was is because of these jew restrictions that Donald Trump has put on different states. And they don't know because they can't look to it because well, you've got a problem in this state, you.

Know what I mean.

That's fucking that's fucking Trump man.

I tell you, Donald, tell you what, John, I've never voted my whole life. Donald Trump has messed up more things than this. We could go on all day.

It's because the football thing.

You know, I did want call him Tapernick around either for what he did. But the deal was is the NFL owner said already decided he wasn't going to be So Donald Trump steps in and makes of all this fuss. Now everybody, I know, not you watching football anymore.

It's you know, it's turning it into a real crazy world.

Well he just turned it into something he didn't have to.

You know.

Again, they want to said Kaepernick, you're not going to place if you were that this dance that you wanted to take, it was already taken. So Donald Trump comes in and makes up a little bit more fuss. Now it's got you know, I know, I don't Honestly, I don't know anything. People that I talked to when I bring up the subject that are watching football now.

I'm not watching. Do you hear Vincent Man might buy the Carolina Panthers?

Do what now?

Vincent Man might buy the Carolina Panthers.

Did you hear that?

Really?

Yeah?

He's he's uh, or he might bring the XFL back, that's the rumor.

Well, you do the only thing about this is this John down Mark Cuban. Okay, if they're going to turn down Mark Cubans, they're definitely gonna turn down Vince mcman.

I agree, you know what I mean absolutely.

Well, there's a you know, I guess if there's any type of fraternity that's gonna that's gonna be funny. The last touch or last effect about this will be the NFL football owners. You know, I would you know, I didn't know. I didn't realize this today. This so before they ever let someone like put this man into probably you know, put a black owner in first. But I doubt that even you know, they're gonna be real picky about who they put in there.

Maybe uh, you know, maybe uh, in a couple of weeks, we could have you on my podcast or something and you could maybe like explain, yes, explain the situation. I'm just trying to find now. I'm trying to scrabble to try to find a replacement for you know, something I don't I don't know what's getting what to do.

Well, I'm sorry this happened, Dan, I said, Thank god, I just got home the stove man's go work. Could call you. I heard the phone ring and as I was getting in the door. But oh my god, it's just I'm sorry. I'm gonna I'm gonna fix. I just called my lawyer. He's checking over the find that was going on.

He just called his lawyer wing.

Oh see what the fuck is going on?

Yeah, because I'm you know, I'm out quite quite a bit of money too on the flight in the hotel and.

Donald Trump, I know, your money back to the hotel hopefully.

Now because it's not twenty four hours. They won't. I already called. They wouldn't give me the money back. Oh shit, So I'm kind of man.

I'm sorry that I could be maybe next time, but set up a podcast something. I'll be glad.

To do that for you, okay, man, you know, and keep keep in touch. Maybe we could have you come to a makeup or something.

Yeah, I'd be glad to do that.

All right.

Well, you know, keep stay in touch and keep me, keep me in a loop with the license and what's going on with the Trump stuff and your your license.

Yeah, and then just again, you know when you want to do this podcast, so you get a chance. I'd love to be able to come back, you know, to me. It's been fishing me off twice. And you know, my writer expecting to see me now you gotta call him, tell him I can't make it. It was uh, it was really a great opportunity for me to have to be able to.

Do one time.

Right, Yeah, I know you're like forward to seeing the book writer, so just sometimes yeah, absolutely, just keep in touch. Okay, have a great day you too.

I guess he's not coming. What the fuck? I don't even know where to begin. I mean, that's absolutely insanity.

Like he.

The tangents, the yes exactly. He just went off on so many different like every time there was some way to connect, like every time there was like he just he just kind of kept like it was basically like one long run on sentence. You know, he just kept something else, like he just talked about Trump and all of a sudden talking about football.

And here's the thing, John, Yeah, right, exactly, here's the thing, exactly like he's and what is I guess what's really the most brilliant and at the same time horrifying.

Thing is how casually he does it. Yes, and I know that that's kind of the the thing, and wrestlers do that, But I'll tell you, I don't know, Like there's something about the way Sid does it that you're if you're not, if you're not kind of of the right mind set and you're not on your own game, he could fool you.

Yep, yep, amen, because he keeps just talking and talking and talking. He just exhausts you to the point where it's like it's going to be easier at this. I'm already pissed off with this guy to begin with. It's not going to make me feel any better to let him talk at me for twenty five minutes about tangential subjects.

And he knows it's not only that, but he's just the way he just keeps going and he knows.

This he's not doing it because he's he's not doing it by mistake. The more he talks to you can talk, you know exactly.

Yep. So in other words, good guy and a pleasure to deal with, and a guy who never got a fair shake in the business. I mean, what the fuck? Seriously, what the fuck?

And you got to think how many times he played cards like that? Eleven years on a license?

Is what he said?

You see something like that, like, I mean, maybe I don't know, Maybe it's getting arrested for having weed on you. Maybe that's what the problem is. You can't It was another one of those like, you know, I don't know what it could be, you know, over and over again. And my wife read it to me over the phone. So that explains why he doesn't have it on his person. But what and he didn't have a license when he got pulled over with the marijuana either, right.

Unbelievable. Seriously, it really is unbelievable.

So you can imagine just how how breathless the headlines were about how Trump you know, sid blames.

Trump in the twist.

Don't imagine on the twisted every promoter saying about this guy all this time and he mentioned the book. You know, he mentioned he was going to meet with a writer too when he was out there. And needless to say, we've gone all these weeks talking about Sid and we never had an opportunity to quote from his book because let me give you a guest, boss, do you think it came out?

Do you think it was no?

Do you think it was problem an issue free trying to work with Sid on getting a book out about his life.

I would imagine that there were some inconsistencies on the level of Diana Hart.

It came out in review form to select few, very few have seen the book Sid decided to write, called Poetry in the Sand.

The Israel story came.

Out in twenty twelve. Now a wrestler, a writer at Slam Wrestling named Tom Letterge was able to get his hands on the book. And this is the description we're able to get. If anybody, are you out there in the Solar System by hook or by crook, is in receipt of a copy of this thing, we would love to see it. But it's not a huge loss because from what I understand, it's just like that phone call.

Well, but then again, that is a huge loss, right for entertainment.

Factor, or I should say it as Sid says it right, right, right right. Poetry in the Sand. Tom writes detail Sid Vicious is larger than life persona, but is small and wrestling dirt. First off, the title of this Sid Vicious biography, Poetry in the Sand, is based on a misheard Beach Boys lyric from California Girls. Author Barry R. Norman writes at the stand in for palm Trees in the Sand reminded him of the six seven, three hundred pound Vicious

That's that's Ie Wow.

Youuty details how his family moved frequently, especially after his parents split. He spent quality time with some of the men his mother dated and had relationships with following the marriage breakup. As a growing teen, you'd he worked long hours on farms under the stifling Arkansas sun, saving money for brand new sports cars that enabled him to rack up DUIs and other traffic citations in a short period of time.

Oh my God good.

He explores childhood adventures along with drug and alcohol use. The one hundred and fifty two page tome is a quick read, but don't look for much in the way of backstage wrestling stories. He addresses the infamous arn Anderson's stabbing incident in less than.

I don't want I don't want that. I wow what he's going to do with all the craziness. He knows

According to Norman, Udi doesn't relish in wrestling talk, but would rather talk about his years growing up. I wonder why you will find that here and you'll grow to appreciate this somewhat low key former champion. The storytelling does take a less Thompson esk Ryde in the book Rest of the Way. Probably Udi is introspective when it comes to faith religion. His relationship with his loving aunt Joyce

I'm sorry what now.

The coda angle revolves around a gigantic, masked wrestler named Faust who comes out of independent Wrestling Nowhere and resembles a certain destructive behemoth. Faust's wheelchair bound manager dukes McMahon into signing Faust to a contract. After much exposition, much more detail than any program in WW history, it's determined that Faust is in fact a superpowered ud. A happy, satisfying ending ultimately concludes Udy's storied career. So sign good

And now for the Udi.

In Norman's story, According to Norman, a long time ago, the two met on the job and bonded over their shared love of softball, and remained best friends until recently. In fact, Poetry in the Sand with Uty emulating Marvel Comics Sandman on the front cover is currently in distribution limbo in some buying platforms, according to Norman. On June twelfth, twenty twenty, Amazon notified in the email that the book was pulled from its website, noting that they don't want

Ah.

So yeah, good luck getting a Sid book out. I doesn't this guy sound the biggest nightmare in the world to deal with?

I mean, seriously, sounds like just a complete I don't even know. Ah, I mean I need this book. Yeah, I think we need to find it. It sounds like it's for a limited period of time it was out there. It sounds like, but it's an important artifact. I haven't seen really any evidence. I saw a screenship screenshot, but a photo someone put up holding it with a cover in their hand. But I haven't seen any indication that what's it called again, what do you call the book

So perhaps sensing that the book was not necessarily forthcoming in terms of wider distribution and no longer needing to hold back on, you know, just talking openly and freely on some of the details of his of his life

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I love Japan though, man, it was it was fun. The only thing is you were over there, you were starving.

I was.

I took her big duffer bag of Danna sausages and oh my god, chicken, devil hand chicken, devil chicken, all that crappy stuff. Now the Vienna sausages. Will I go to the Japanese. They take me out and feed me all night. You come back, go, yeah, sausage, you want to silence?

He took the Viennas to Japan. The Viennas weren't just a thing that the church got him into.

They were they were what he needed to survive. Was popping tops and the lady's intel. Can you imagine like he's on a fucking plane, all right. You know, you're sitting on a plane opposite this fucking behemoth, all right, Like you're in the aisle and you're across the Offerman and you know, he's just kind of like sitting there.

It wasn't just Vienna. It's coming to find out. Sid realized that if he ate some of this low grade food, in front of the Japanese as a wrestling superstar. They would take it quite personally and see do it that Sid was fed some of the finer foods Japan.

Had to offer. God, and oh my god, let me.

Tell you, boss, it doesn't take very many cycles for Sid to realize that trick.

I'm staying Toyo.

Tokyo Plaza, I think it was named hotel, and there's where all the dignitaries were staying. And so I was, you know, in the lobby, and every time I stood up, everybody reached over to point.

A gun at me. Now tell my star know there we were.

I mean, I just couldn't afford to eat that kind of food. I'm trying to take every penny home with me, and so I lost minisult white, and so I'd go to the store and get me some peanut butter with a new bananas and brand. I'd go down Bobby ate these things that it was a big insult to the promoters. First they see you lives in white. Then the fans see me in the hotel, you know, peanut butter sandwiches, so they'd get real upset, and they all take me out to eat every night.

And I took advantage of that. Man.

I've talked about being an opportunitist, right, well, I did. When I realized that work. I did that every chance I could.

Man Sid sitting in the lobby of the hotel making a show out of his peanut butter and banana sandwich, knowing that it would hustle him another free, high class meal.

I don't see any problem with that. Gods how to work the system.

August twenty sixth, twenty twenty four, it is with heavy hearts that we announced the passing of Sydney Ray Udi, who was born December sixteenth, nineteen sixty in Moses Lake, Washington. He passed from this earth on August twenty sixth, peacefully at home after a long, private and courageous battle with non Hodgkins lymphoma and chronic heart issues. Sid was a beloved husband, father, grandfather, son, brother, friend, and mentor. He was known for his kindness, humor, generosity in living his

In peace, Sid.

Your battle is over, but your legacy will endure forever. Sid was born December sixteenth, Boss, how close are we? This may even drop on?

Wow?

What would have met his birthday? Yep, his son Gunner was really the first to break the news. Most in wrestling didn't have any idea Sid was even sick, because, as we learned, with a leg break. But the health is not. But he's not the picture of health. Sid has a way of retreating, has a way of hiding, as a way of uh seeing to it that others don't know what he's going through. But suddenly, his son Gunnar took the Facebook and posted the following earlier this year.

Wow.

This is one of Sid's former compatriots in the business when he did the POB stable in Memphis power pro between his wwfront and coming into WW in nineteen ninety nine. By the way, shout out to the homie David Caminister, who's able to find out that POB and the promotion stood for pride of brotherhood, scintillating stuff.

That was the name of the wild.

We didn't know exactly what to call him. And there was a wrestler in that stable along with Sid called Stunt or Stumpy, who owns a barbecue restaurant not too far from where Sid grew up and passed, called Stumpy's Backyard Barbecue. And after Sid had a memorial service in his hometown, Stumpy took to Facebook, it's been a whole day since we laid you to rest, celebrated your life here on earth, and paid our respects. You would have been proud of your boys.

I know I was.

Frank gave an eloquent eulogy, and it's apparent he shares your gift of telling stories that puts the listener back in time. Gunner kept us all in line and made sure everything was arranged perfectly. Obviously skills of yours he shares Sid. You and I not only became friends and

Brothers. Time flew by fat What it's a brother? What who Stumpy did? Wait, don't begin to push this tribute to his wrestle Bady, a opponent horrified.

Help did do an interview with I think a barstool podcast where he said I got along great with Suit, I mean in the ring. The one thing I can say about said is he took care of you. He never hurt me in the ring. And then they said, yeah, but he was critical of you in some shooting interviews, Hogan.

Felt like this. Sid did some of that towards the end, but I would have never hold it against him because I love Sid. Brother. Wow, No, I don't, but about the Sid, dude, I'm just saying, Brother, you know, I thought I knew one thing, and this is a problem with the whole. You know exactly with everything?

Dude.

You know, I know I knew one thing, but I don't know everything. And if I don't know everything, then something's amiss. Brother. And can I ask you a question, Hulk? When will you know if this is your last match? I just won't know until I got out of the ring.

Time flew By Stump wrote faster than any of us could imagine. The kids fishing in your pond, or their punishments for bad behavior of cleaning the pond. Frank cleaned the pond, digging fishing worms under the old tailgate. The Bible stories you gave them that applied to life today. The louder than thunder laugh when they would actually.

Silly with you. The hot padise the hot rolls at Lambert's. Sit into it a hot roll, dowb I mean, we know, damn well, get a picture like okay, the tablecloth is like red and white checkered, right, oh yes, yes, and so is the the napkin that holds the biscuits inside the basket. And he like unfolds the the the linen covering, and he peels a biscuit open and and and you can see the steam and like the sunlight that's coming in the room of where he's enjoying the hot roll.

Many memories with my kids and more than that, they'll never forget the days and hour spent with you at the gym and the Chinese fa afterwards, hours of listening practice, going over our next show, the hours in the ring together, Vick.

There's nothing like, you know, complimenting a good workout with Chinese buffet, listening practice, going over our next show, the hours in the ring together, the unforgettable trips out of town. The pob will always live on and we will never forget rip. Well done, my friend, Sid, Udy said Vicious Psycho Sid, Sid Justice, my friend, my brother until we

You know, the family that Sid left behind, it's it's interesting. You know, we talk about softball, and we joke about softball, and.

It is a joke.

I think we've established that the way he talked, the way it factored into his life story and his wrestling story is is hilarious but boss some. But then you come across a picture like the one I just sent you, Sid looking through the fence at a little league field with I can only supposed to be as one of his grandchildren, and he's wearing the exact shirt you talked about, Yep.

Exactly, He's worried a fucking plaid shirt. You know, I bet that's you know, I bet I bet he doesn't know who that kid is. Yeah, smiling down nick, random kid, Right, you're probably right. You don't play softball. You won't know something kid once. He's real, simple, ah amn is real.

And I think in a lot of ways, the guy that shattered him his entire career in a lot of ways and shared the ring with him. Connective tissue from the earliest WCW days and the skyscrapers through to the WWF and the top of the WWF, all the way through into Sid's WCW Return the guy he probably headlined with more than anybody and swapped more titles with Kevin Nash himself put it this way visav Softball and VISA V Life reflecting on the passing of Sid on this podcast.

Obviously he's right, he's he's passed on at sixty three years old. He didn't miss those fucking softball games. He went and did it what the fuck he wanted to do, because when he was forty years old, fucking they wanted to push him, and he said, I'm in the middle of a tournament right now, and they all said, oh, Sid don't know what the fuck he's doing. Well, when Sid got brain cancer, he fucking I guarantee you if I said, said, I am so fucking glad that I didn't have these motherfuckers, glad.

I took that that I took, my time, took my fucker did it his way, right, It's true. Yeah, yeah, there is some truth in that, no question. And we know Sid.

In his own way found God as a man who self admittedly never went to church, did not interestingly enough, considered the part of the country he grew up in, and how conversing he seemed to be in that Israel promo about Biblical verses and Pentecostal and Episcopalian denominations and using, you know, his understanding of religion to get heat, not somebody who was who's very, very church going. But we know that eventually he found Saint Mary's Cathedral in Memphis,

He sent my church a case of Vienna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture. I'm not saying I'm a Christian, but I.

Do go to church and into things I like.

During Saturday mornings, we go over there.

It's called pop tops.

To about nine.

Thirty weeks with them.

I'm bag the bags, got your kids being the sausages and pack the packers a.

Moon town, a bottle of water, and they did a.

Little bag of ladies or something.

I think you out about either one hundred hundred of those every Saturday, and if just in case, uh, there's a there's a big fan of virus robb out there.

His name is Joe.

I don't remember his last name.

But he actually sent some either some Deanna sausages for my charity or he sent some vitamins for my charity, children's vitamins.

Oh really, and he.

Calls me all the times and bugs eat Pete, bugs the ship out of me. But he's he's uh, he moves from Washington. He's running away from the coronavirus. He moved to Indianapolis outside of there and started he works Worth casino and all of a sudden, now he's laid off. You know, he's trying to move to my house. Joe, you can't come here. Who's the deacon who? Again, he doesn't get paid, never been paid, ten or twenty years.

You know.

I used to tell people to send Vienna's to them because I didn't want to be in the middle. I didn't want to receive money and nothing. But talking to Drew about one of the things we could do, and I don't what do you want to do it right now? Till we get, you know, find more about it. That we can send it to Saint Mary's Cathedral, to.

The church under under Drew woods Woodruff under discretionary funds, and he could use that because we're able to go now to what's called the food things, and we're instead of paying forty to fifty cents acand of Vienna's, we're able to pay a pen times for them if they have them, you know, because you buy it by the pound.

It's pretty tough to to someone know they can't have a Canavannas? All right?

Is it?

Any last words?

No?

I just want everyone to that are interested for this is you know, the new year, and let's I'll keep ourselves with that thought in mind, and let's try to do more positive things. I do want to say something real quick too. I'm not sure. One day this month, I'm going to be doing a radio broadcast with the bishop of our church, and they're going to talk about what we do on Wednesdays and Saturday mornings is called

Right now, I think we all hope, boss, that we can find our own can of Viennas, don't we. I mean, that's that's the dream.

N know.

I had it on. I had you know, my mute button on because I just want to let that play out. But I was hurting, hurting every time he fucking talked about Vienna's. I mean, what the fuck, hosages?

I didn't expect when we launched our tribute to Sid, after all the memories he gave us in the ring and then being so formative during the Galory days, the Golden era, the Hasbro era, that after tribute and serenading that another gift he would give us is we can never look at a can of Vienna's on a shelf and a family dollar the same again. I'm gonna think of this man whenever I see any canned meet for

Got a good crew. You know, before he got into wrestling, he was a farmer.

He would walk with his childhood friend and follow the railroad tracks and hunt their way all the way to the Mississippian back and it'spent hours and hours and hours in the brush and the fields and the planes and all the rest, and he went through to years as a chemical salesman in the agricultural business, cited all those years later as perhaps a contributing cause of his cancer.

Better for me.

In the morning, get it at three thirty, go to the gym, be home by six thirty, and be on my tractor heading to the field about six forty five. That to me was one of the greatest feelings of the world. Is already had half a day by me, and as sun rises and I'm going out there and I'm starting the second part of my day at six thirty when everybody else is still asleep. And that's what you get as a farmer. It's that kind of gratification. And I love those days like that, you know. I

Know, Boss.

We started this TLF tribute to Sid, who in so many ways is his tlfx's at Cats Good Story couldn't be a better fit to enter our tenth year of podcasting. We started this wondering how this man was able to go around for so many years saying I am the Master and the Ruler of the world. Yes, and no one batter Dean I. No one let out a chuckle. No one seemed to think that the phrase, despite being patently absurd, strain credulity all after taking stock of his

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