Ep. 401: Sid Tribute Part 5

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And pose well, this is the run. This is the run of SID as we continue our tribute to the Psychotic One here on TLF which and Sid Fashion Boss is just.

Well actually there was a SID.

On this on the Austrian indies named Sid Vienna, but they didn't not they never got sued for copyright infringement or anything like that.

Surprising it that's his fall. Should have checked it on it.

But I mean, I adventure to say, if not for the run we're about to talk about, on a journey that into Sid fashion keeps growing new heads.

As it Inferls before us. But we don't. We don't.

We don't shy away from the challenge, no matter how psychotically those eyes wilink.

That's the reality of it, all right. You know we've said it, and it's not we don't be We're not facetious when we say it that we leave no stone.

Unturned TFX like damn fucking right. Indeed, And so as we look at SiZ returned to the w WF in nineteen ninety six where we last left you, this is the run where if you didn't have this run, I'm pretty sure we don't do a tribute show with this guy.

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Yeah, but because he won the WWF Championship after stabbing ourn Anderson, after being h exiled and becoming you know, unemployable.

And I knew that they even knew that he was, that he had stabbed arn Anderson when he came back in ninety six. I don't think I knew that. Now.

That wasn't really something you would easily know unless you subscribe to the newsletters. Yeah, I'm sure it was on the internet, but the Internet was still you know, prodigy. It wasn't very easy and intuitive to find him for me about wrestling if you weren't plugged into the right

What do you mean an international dude?

Hogan does not believe that was an innocent slip of the Tongue Warrior Shawn Michaels and I'm a Johnson. It's supposed to be a three man team and a six man Warrior falls out. Sid shows up. We played that clip last week and little did they know at first, you know, it's just this idea. We need to do an emergency replacement, get him on a couple of house shows. Well, warri were scheduled and the fans be pissed off if

But I never said we weren't going to use you full time, you know. I didn't say that we weren't. I said, you know, we need you for a couple of things now, and then we'll probably have you working overtime. Listen, but I'm paying for you, Sid. We need you, Pal. You know, we need a lot of things right and right now we need Sid. We need a lot of things to go psychotic. In ring, he tells Sid, we need a lot of things. In other words like look, I can't I don't have any time right now for

And you want to talk about serendipity. What was the last pay per view that we did on the feed before SID before deciding on the SID tribute shows and embarking on that.

It was buried Alive, right, I mean, come on, yeah.

Right, that's the pay per view where it's now clear that they've shift shifted directions that Vader is not indeed going to take the strap off Shawn Michaels at the nineteen ninety six Survivor series, as we've talked about in the archives covering that show quite a ways ago, and that they're going to go with Sid because Sid beats Vader at Buried Alive or relatively cleanly, and you can kind of see the in my opinion, the pou pout face on Vader as he makes his way to the

So pathetic.

And this the same Vader who has, you know, a fate intertwined with Sids from the Tag Team in WCW in ninety three, to sure being the guy that tried to help close the wound and the stabbing incident in the England hotel room a hotel, I should say, so just remarkable that it once again comes down to Sid in Vader. They finally meet in the ring, and in Sid is the one that pulls ahead in the race to become the top guy in the WWF. And we all know, we all know how impactful that win was

But I'm talking about when he's yeah, when he's yeah, he is, he's I mean, he's a major part of that. He's a major part of the company until the summer, and.

He's part of you know, the Sean Brett tensions that that spill from the screen to the back and vice versa, that they kind of revolve around Sid in this title win, you know when Sid goes away pardon me, when Sean goes away having lost his smile. It was supposed to be said that he lost the strap back to when Brett has his absolute breakdown in the ring on that famous Raw episode and says this is bullshit and shoves

I mean, he's you know, that's a leet. If he were if he were the Sun, if he were the center of the universe something like that, he would he no pun intended, He'd be just off in spacebsolutely would be. He would have no idea that there were things circling around him, he'd just be completely lost.

And I'm not sure that's an inaccurate description of the man. I mean really, as this all takes place, he's just like, we're I'm I going to get a run, Like he's oblivious to the fact that the only thing that matters is Shawn and Brett. Like this title when we're picture.

We're off it.

In this.

We're gonna play what About Me? Exactly right exactly. It's like, are you listening to the TV? We're about to march through it systematically. This is going to be one of the finer tooth combs of this whole Sid tribute because we want to really tie together Survivors Series ninety six and him winning the belt back for the show that we're going to deep dive the raw after the final

Oh yeah, he's nothing.

I mean, Sean Michaels is on commentary when he loses the time to Undertaker at WrestleMania thirteen, and the whole story is like, what if Shawn Michaels think about Undertaker versus Sid. It's not that Sid is main eventing WrestleMania, defending the title. Undertaker is about to win the title for the first time at WrestleMania. It's hardly about that. It's just about Sean running his mouth almost.

The entire second time. The second time at.

WrestleMania, I said, oh, oh, I see what you mean, and just running his mouth the entire time, like Sewan is just he's just blabbing over all of Sid's segments from Surrider's Series ninety six until the ray after Final Four, all the way through WrestleMania.

In fact, I don't to see what's problem is.

And when it's not Sean, it's Brett, you know, and his grievances and his feud with Steve Austin kind of overwhelming Sid's segments on Monday Night Raw as well. But we're about to transition. I'm gonna ask you a question. I mean, you talk about we talk about Sid kind of unwittingly being in the middle of all this when they make that fateful switch from the Monday Night Raw and the design and the graphics and the look and presentation from ninety three and switch over to Raw his

Sid?

It's Sid. That's absolutely correct. Yeah, I mean, come on, folks.

It's just listen. He's he's just a weird He's such a weird entity that he's always there.

It's always there, and he ends up in these pole positions and it doesn't really ever seem to be quite by design. It's almost like happenstance, you know, like he's oh, totally You think about the pretense he was brought in in ninety one in the first place, with WWF about being this top babyface as Hogan's about to, you know, take a hiatus to get away from the scrutiny and do some movies. And by the time it's over, Yeah,

I mean, this is the story of Sid.

He just and he ends up making all this money and he never really is the reason the money's being generated around him. But he's still there, he's still in the picture. He could still lay claim to being a key face of it all. And it's really it's a fascinating career and I'm positive we didn't spend enough time thinking about Sid when we did the ninety seven journey, and now we get to focus in.

Definitely did not. I mean no, there's no chance in hell that we that we spent any any real time on him, And so he talked about it outside of his matches. He probably got more, he probably got more attention during the dive of each show than actually you know 's actually talking about him.

Absolutely, and I think we spent most of our time just trying to peace out and tease out, you know, the subtleties and everything Brett and Sean said on WWF television, and how you can start to start to feel the

He might stab somebody in the fucking with scissors.

Right, But when he sits back and looks back in his career, in the shoot interviews and stuff that he ends up doing, it's it's not a bad point. Like I never no one ever really found out if I could have produced as a as a touring champion, as a guy that you know that was given the ball, It's it's not a bad point. I think we all

I mean, I remember it like it was yesterday. Honest to god. It was such a it was such a moment. It's the first time that I can remember where I was so excited that I got up my feet with my arms in the air. That's big, I, you know. And that's when Sid beating Brett, you know, because I was so sick of Brett. I was so sick of Brett. And you know when I when I when I heard that he had won, you know. And again I didn't know. I think I talked about this before. I didn't know

At one, two, three hits different back then where the ref actually registers an official count for a world title change on live television. I mean even even WCW they had done world title changes. I think when Paul White beat flair Ford it was on Nitro, for example. But for the most part that just didn't happen. You just didn't get title changes world title changes on free television.

You just didn't know.

And yeah, it was it was definitely as we'll talk about as we examined that episode of Raw, it was definitely like their strongest bid to be like, Okay, how can we format a show where like we drag this thing out and try to beat Nitro or try to do well against Nitro. I mean, Nitro was fucking killing him in February ninety seven. But you know, they tease

Ratings ploy. Oh yeah, you know, the way that they the way that they strategize it, it's actually pretty it's pretty darn clever. Yep. You know, it's definitely it's cheap, you know, but it's also it's also pretty clever.

And that's another thing about Sid, Like, you know, he wasn't there when they finally caught fire and started kicking ww's ass, but he was a key toy in the toy box to try to figure out what does it look like to reform that Raw to be more competitive.

Him every ding. No, I wanted him to turn heel two years prior, if you remember, yeah, ninety five, after the during the World War I was like, I was ready for him to turn heel then, and I was just so sick of him. I was so sick of him always fucking winning.

You know.

It was ironic to me as a fan that he was whining about getting screwed and I'm like, you get everything fucking handed to you. That was my opinion of him. Wow, that everything he fucking had he always gets. Like he was he had been the guy since ninety two, and I was so sick of it at this point, Like he and he always beat the guys that were my new Hogan, right, you know, he beat you know, he he didn't really beat Luger, but he beat Luger in

It's amazing happened because of course, after he comes back at Survivor series, the same show where said takes the strap off Sean that we've been talking about and beat Stone Cold and that comeback match clean afterwards, it's an immediate like campaign by Austin to just constantly sneak attack Brett Hart every single week. And so this is the beginning of that brilliant Brett Heel character who was justified in what he was saying. He was being wronged. He

Honestly, there's nobody who could you know, live up to.

That well, especially considering how poor the company's fortunes were at the time. I mean, Austin was up to the task because he started generating revenue on par with no other and it's like, okay, well he's clearly running. But this is a time when they're in the fucking tank. And because Vince felt like Brett going to WCW would have been like the final referendum on WWF's lifeblood, like all right, it's over, Like they can't even keep red heart.

I mean, look, he's being a bitch, so let's make him a bitch, put him on TV and right because but Brton, I think you're a bitch, so I think you'll play a great bitch on TV. Let's talk about it, let's talk about let's brainstorm.

And when they get back, you know, think about it a Bretton Sean, go at it.

It.

It's time that that's Sid. You know, Sid's in the mix. Sid, that's his pay per view main event, was first ever a pay per view title defense main event. So it's it's uh, it's fascinating to adjust your lens on this off talked about, you know, the covered ad nauseum time period and adjust your lens to see it through what Sid was actually out there doing and what Sid was out there saying. And that's what we're gonna do here.

And there are people who aren't entitled bitches like Brett Hart.

Right, well, we'll keep podcasting for you. We see you out there, but you can hardly blame us for taking the appropriate time each and every time we take the microphone to remind you that the only reason TLFX is here, and the only reason we can go this hard for this long, is because people decide. You know what, I'm not forced to pay for this, therefore I will, right, yes, I'm not forced to pay for it, Therefore I will.

Terrified Too Motherfuckers.

Starring Chris Jericho, but also starring some of the most gory and insane violence I've ever seen in cinema.

And not only that, but I also you know, for those who who aren't a part of it, who who missed out thus far. I also made him watch every single gory portion of the previous films, like the highlighted ones, in order to build up to the fact that we're going to see something even worse. Well, you need context, right exactly. Of course, context is king and controversy creates cash. And what was the story? What was it? Arisa?

He had a we did it. We made a fun of it in t n H. He had like an acronym for like story suspense.

I'll find it. Oh he did, Yes, he did. A fucking idiot, But we got one more when we're coming up. We're going to take a week off this week and we're going to bring to you on Halloween Day proper and absolutely one of the best. And that's all I'm gonna say. It's one of the best. And I'm I am so fucking excited. You want to talk about SARSA.

You want to talk about story, anticipation, reality, suspense and action or surprise and action. Sorry, we're talking about the capper for Scary Movie Season twenty twenty four under the cinemat And.

Then we'll bring it back and we will conclude our James Bond journey during November and inciting times.

Mpasize if you could. When can folks expect that final scary movie season installment?

Halloween? Halloween Night, Halloween Day? Oh, Halloween. Halloween's on a weekday this week? Right, Yeah, it's on Thursday.

So you know what to do, solar system, Right, you're at work. You know, Halloween when it falls on a workday, no one takes work that seriously, you know how to dial yourself in for trick or treating that night when you're at the at the cubicle.

Bring That's all I gotta say is bring those fucking earbuds.

Yeah, make sure those sons of bitches are charged. On All Hallows Eve.

It's going to be It's I can't wait. I honestly, I can't wait for your reaction. That's what I can't wait for. That's gonna be the fun part.

Yeah, don't forget folks, I don't know the movie.

Yeah, no, I keep it a very very very deep, dark secret until we reveal it. It's actually kind of funny because in a weird way, they all know the movie before you know the movie, because obviously the movie is must I'm going like for a complete surprise. The movie obviously is in the episode title, and then you know, then you get surprised, right right. It's really cool. It's actually fun. I always like that about it me too. Yeah.

I love not really knowing what I'm prepared for. I remember when you surprised me last Christmas movie season with It's a Wonderful Life, Yeah, and I like basically had to say hold on and I had to run upstairs and get my It's a Wonderful Life book because I have no idea. I'm like hustling looking through the bookcase. So I can't wait for that too. I mean, that's that's too far around the corner.

It's right there, It's right there. Cap off the Bond Journey Christmas movie. I mean, come on, folks, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, just you know what to do?

And further to the Christmas point, by the way, that seriously fuck you for terrifier too. I cannot I saw the art the clown mask in a Halloween store and I was like.

Yeah, you can't unsee that shit. It's all over the place.

I'm standing in the aisle in a trance looking at his mask like I'm four years old again.

Yeah, he's a petrifying individual petrifying.

And I'm like thinking to myself, like, when is it ever okay to show that to somebody else? You know, like even an adult, I'd hesitate to say you need to see this.

It's almost like I've got a friend who, like he'd never seen it before, he'd never seen any of them before. And he had a buddy who was like, I want to take you to go see Terrifier three, but you got to watch the other ones to get up to speed, and he was just completely grossed out by how nasty it was.

Was he just actually hesitant to even go to the theater and see it.

No, no, he wanted to, but he was worrying, why why do I want to go?

It's not unlike wrestling. It's like a secret language of like, you know, terrifier. Yeah, Like you have to look at someone and be like, Okay, they enjoy it for what it is, and they're not going to judge me when I you know, when I tell them that I watched it, you know.

And it's also like once you know, you know, situation if you know you know, and that's that's it with Terrifying.

Well, the key scene from part one that you made me watch from the first movie.

You know.

I was talking to people saying, like, did you see the scene in the first one? You have to see you have say anything else. Either they know or they don't, And if they don't, it's not really appropriate to start describing it.

No, it's not. But if they do, it's like they've It's like it's shared trauma, is what it is.

It's shared trauma. And it's something that was full on, full throttle lap serendipity in that people started putting together in real time that this qualify just as we had made plans already to record it.

And let me tell you, so that was actually planned. So keep in mind everything that has happened on Scary Movie Season this year was intended for last year because but then I booked that play and I just I didn't have time to put it all together. But all this was scheduled for last year, so it was like already there, and it was already in place, and I was already set to go, and then I had to push it off. I'm like, all right, well, well, just you know,

It's it's not for the faint of heart. No, it's not one that I encourage people to watch the movie as we watch it with us. I mean, for some our description will be plenty, but you know, do so.

For some even if you. Some of the comments too were like, you know, I thought that just listening to the audio would be okay, But it's as bad. It's as bad. It's as bad.

Ye when you hear like the suffering and the screaming absolutely and the blood chortling noises.

It's the La Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno m JP soro.

Yeah.

And that's another thing, the comments like we don't sell that enough. So much fun to watch Solar System members go back and forth on comments underneath the audio files on Patreon, but you can't really participate in unless you pledge. But it's so fun man to see what people pick up on some of the notes people make, some of the corrections, some of the extra resources people point you to.

Oh yeah, it's amazing. So it's absolutely amazing. It's so it is very gratifying when all that happens.

It's how we know it's real and long may continue. And it's a busy schedule because on the monthly premium live event calls that we do of the modern WWE shows, that's starting to kick into a year. On another level, you've got Crown Jewel and you've got sur River Series November. Of course, the River Series always a big show right around Turkey Day, so I'm sure we're going to be

Yeah, it does. Live College doesn't. Uh Yeah, Live College indeed, Live College Podcast. You're damn right, So we're looking forward to that. As mentioned, Scary movie season becomes James Bond conclusion becomes Christmas movie season.

Oh yes, Wrestle Mamia. Wrestle Mamia. Wrestle Mamia for the moat tier. Only the things that are coming, the things that are about to be unloaded.

It's it's it's a non stop barrage of of of Mama sorrow.

Yeahther around the hearth with Mama sorrow this holiday season. I mean, what more can I say? I don't know, but I'll try to say more. How about that versions you.

Know, she's she's a she's a gem. Some people have called her a national treasure. It's saying they're wrong. I think that's hilarious to say. But I'm not saying. You know, I'm not saying they're wrong. People would have just seen let me see here, I think, what's the moment. Okay, so people, oh wow, you know this? Uh, this is I actually did this. I'm trying to think, Yeah, I did this before before we were doing Terry Funk, all right, and I had, you know, with the idea of Halloween

I'll wait to see her reaction to the electrified cage. Yeah, I'm electrified of the thought. And again, for those unaware, that is an exclusive benefit for our Mote Tier members, the highest tier members. It's it's rich for a lot of people's blood, and we respect that and appreciate that. We appreciate all of our patrons in any denomination, but

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I actually I'm always you know, I always say, and we've said it a million times that with how how long these shows go and how long we record, that shit literally comes out of the mouth and it's forgotten. That's just the way it is, just the nature of the beast. It's very rare that something and actually most often something reads not because we did it, but because it resonates with all of you.

And we hear about it. It comes back to us. Right, It's a great it's a great mechanism to determine like what really what really was gold is? Like do we hear about it again?

Yep? And I I I was, I sat there like I cannot. I mean, honestly, it was. It was hard choosing things because you're like, well, wait a minute, there's this, and then I'm I didn't know where to go. Sometimes well you go.

In thinking, you know, you go in thinking, you know the high points based on what gets set back to you the most, what gets referenced back to you the most, if you know, like a Twitter thread about what's the greatest thing or what should I start? If I getting into the podcast and those things, and over time those

Or or to the point that I didn't even know this existed. That's the part that's always.

Well, that's part of why it's better is because you don't even know where. You forgot where it's going. It's new to you even though you said it. Yeah, I mean you got to think about sometimes us like getting delirious at two thirty in the morning, like we're we're not always uh, we don't always have full control of our faculties. No, And I'm not only just talking about when Boss gets drunk and falls asleep on the live calls.

Yeah, yeah, it does. You know, there comes a moment where it's like I don't even you know, I'm just gone. I'm just completely gone, and like simpy, like say, and you know it's it's uncontrollable.

It's uncontrollable and U and we had a great time. We're visiting all of that and kind of resurfacing kind of the heart of some of these characters. You know, it would have been way too tall of in order to do that with all thirty two participants in the very beginning of this tournament, but we've whittled it down.

We gotta put it.

We gotta put a data on the calendar soon when we're gonna get together around the Christmas hearth and open gifts from you the Solar System for the third annual Lapsed Fan Christmas Show. The best fucking thing on any podcast anywhere as far as I'm concerned.

Absolutely, there's no question about it. I mean they're a mix of of like funny, thoughtful, and ridiculous. That's perfectly and what more, what more do you need?

That's a lapsed Christmas to me? Yeah, dare I say elapsed Xmas brother ten years in? I mean that's what we're looking at. Damn right, tlf X mess I'm here, Damn right, you're here, and you can be part of the show as we sit together, uh to unwrap gifts from the Solar System and just react to what we're seeing and just revel on the fact that you know, I think more than anything, it's not that this is

Oh god, it's it's unbelievable.

You gotta remember we have to do something with this stuff. Aver we parcel things out aboundst each other, we're like, what are you doing this?

What are you do with this?

It's it's quite it's quite an experience.

The consumables are one thing I'll accept and accept and really accept the fact that some ship's going to get burned over time. Yeah, or that night, no burned. Hey, you're going to send us a Jeff Hardy cut out, a cardboard cutout. It's going right in the fucking fire.

Last year, boss Man literally burned a fat headset.

I ever post that video on him. If I post that video, you know I haven't seen it, so there's no way to take the whole thing. I should will put that up around Christmas.

Yeah, that'll be a reminder last year at this time, talk about the hearth, right, damn right. Maybe if there's anything burnable we get this year, we have to save it and burn it during recording of next year, and that'll be our fire, our fireplace.

Of course, that means I get to keep it great.

And we know that came from the homie Big Steve, who also gave us Jerry Lawler half naked with.

Yeah, which got me almost in trouble with my wife.

I mean, he already told us that this one's a doozy, and he's it's on the way. We've been informed and so if you want to be part of this, you probably just have a a week or two to get in.

Every yeah, I will conveniently not make it to the uh yeah, the po anytime soon time the par officer of course, you mean, yeah, right.

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What we've been in this right, and it doesn't you know, it doesn't happen as much as it used to. So that's right, that's right.

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As we embark on a further examination on the life and times of Sid, the Vienna shirts I think are going to be a real hit this Christmas season.

Oh I think so. I think everyone's going to be in the hunt for some Vienna's. Come what's up there? Let them know come Christmas, we got a couple and you know, it's it's so hard to keep track. Two of all, I have a list on my phone of the things that I need to get to produce. So hopefully before Christmas, all that stuff will be all those shirts will be up there, so you guys can get on it. Yeah, don't don't.

Don't lose sight of the fact that in the Progresling Tea store, this stuff is hand drawn by the boss. Like he Yeah, he personally creates the look of the shirt.

Yeah. And you know it's like it's it's it's good, it's bad, it doesn't matter. But right now we got obviously, we got Sid's Vienna's. We got Sid's actual Vicious Viennas sausages available, uh to to swallow. And we'll also have.

The and I send him an autograph picture.

And then there's a course, the the the Saint Vincent's softball shirt softball team, which is the team sponsored by Sid's Vicious Vienna's.

Well, we definitely have Sid's Memphis Church in our hearts and minds this Christmas squad.

Let's just say that for now, and not not to mention the fact that we also have an old one Sid's softball squad. Yes, that's an older bit ye sponsored by Michler's Deli, Sterling Golden Pharmaceuticals and I am the s m A. Youve got to need it, and the incredible line of other uh uh with with you know. You know what I love, honestly is that sometimes I look back at the shirts and I'm like, I know that meant something, but I don't know what, Like, like,

That's a mission for our pals at lasts, you know, they can look that one up because it's it's hard, it's hard to remember all this stuff. But yeah, sometimes it just occurs to us. It's just like making a shirt that was fucking that was a weird moment. And sometimes it's a minute and a half that spawns a shirt.

And to you know, be able to finally produce shirts that, you know, for reasons beyond our control, were denied by Yes pro wrestling teas and be able to have shit up there, that is just I mean, I can't. It's absolutely breathtaking to see the ship that he's created, let alone the Kreme de la Creme, the Piece the Resistance, the Wonderful, the Wonderful Varsity jacket.

As Bark uncovering the first Raw is War where those jackets were created. That's right, so amazing stuff over in the chop Tea store as well. Cameo if you want to put your co chairs to work, but mostly the boss yeah, honestly, and just you know, decide laps can and put words in the mouthls of some of the Rogue's gallery of lapsed characters, or just have your co chairman send holiday greetings or anything else, happy birthday wishes, whatever the case may be. Cameo dot com slash the

You know, you can't imagine, I really cannot imagine.

Just your home. You're recuperating, but you can't you can't behave as if you're back on track for a lot longer than I think people would probably appreciate having not gone through something like this. So the long and short of it is, we're we're thrilled that one of the great lapsed fans of all time is on the mend

I think this is what we've all been waiting for, the Revolutionary One. That's what Lutionary one too for them. That's when no one's run down. So yet I issued the call. I said, why do I think they used to call sid the Revolutionary One on WWE television and no one's found any example of it, So I just apparently made it up like VK Thunderliker as I do feel like you did tell me you made it up. Well, I had to.

I had to conclude that because yeah, I've never found I feel like I've watched everything back by this point that he did that I would have would have remembered. You know, I'm not saying I watched everything he ever did, but I didn't watch everything back when I was that age. I mean we're talking seven eight years old, so there's only so many shows that would have left that imprint

Yeah, I'll give you. You know, I don't think a lot of people remember this. What they call that was a tweener are in between baby face and hill, and that was somebody who could work with baby faces in hills. I was the very first one really to take that roll on when I won the belt from Sahn Michaels and what it was, I was told I was going to be a baby face for extended period of time

I knew it. You know, you just get those kind of feelings.

Yeah, and you actually did the tweener role as well in the middle of the bratt Hard Steve Austin stuff too.

Right and uh and that was that was a little you know for me too. As a hill when it was just hills and just baby faces. I was always a twiner, especially up in the Northern market. I was always perceived or cheered, and the baby faces hated that, you know, having to work with a guy.

You know.

And I don't know if you know this yourself, but you know, if you're a baby face and you got ten thousand people cheering, you got one person booing you, it really grows mine, not mine. It doesn't bother some people. I've seen people like Bill Goldbert just literally go nuts. Customed person shut up, I say, hey, man, And then he's working with me and we'd get north and more people doo him. But no, I always I like that. You know, as a Hill, it's acceptable, you know, you

Did you find that with Shawn when you are working with Sean back then, that he would get real frazzled when the crowdits are going nuts.

For you, not Sean, not Sean, notice Sean. Sean was up. I don't know if people know Sean as well or not. Sean is a real He's a giver. He gives out, you know, he gives to you. He makes me you know, like when we were Triple Threat matches me and him and Brett. You know, I'm not saying I said before working with Brett was like pulling teeth.

He said that in the last shoot interview.

Yeah, and Sean when he saw that me and Sean would look at each other. We just so I say, hey, we'll work around this, and Sean would go out of his way to really make me look super cool in the match. I do the same for him, and we do the same for Bed as well.

So Sid as tweener, I mean, this is the role. This is the ultimate example of that.

Oh yeah, I mean, I mean I also I don't agree with him being the first tweener at all. I think I think it was definitely mashed the year prior.

But you know, I mean, my fucking Paul Orndorff was a tweener when he was shooting with the Hogan. I mean it was like, oh was he I don't know. Yeah, yeah, There's always been tweeners on the roster. It's just a question of who do they turn their attention to. You know, all it takes for a heel to become a tweener is have him do nothing different but attack a heel instead of a babyface.

Right right exactly? Well yeah, or or to not give a shit about either. One really is what it is. And in many ways that was like that was Austin too, you know, in around this period. You know, he was very much a tweener and people were getting behind him, but he wasn't a babyface for sure.

And that's another way Sids in concentric circles with this whole rising moment is that he's kind of a tweener that's setting a bit of the table for the Steve Austin tweener in that he's he's kind of showing that the audience is out there that will cheer when somebody does something like hyper violent to a goodie two shoes babyface yep, and they'll go with them. And Steve, you know, when he comes out to wrestle Bret Hart on that same show, Survivors Series nineteen ninety six, he does have

To build up Vader he does.

Yeah, so what does he do? What does Sid do? He beat Sean at Survivors Series. And we've talked about it before and it's only appropriate here in the Sid tribute we talk about it again. First the sights and sounds from the garden that night.

And Sid was an opportunity here to finish it.

S just marry it, finish it, it said, hits it, HiT's over.

We got a new champion.

I can't believe it.

Let's sing tell out Sid.

I can't believe it.

Son, don't say there's a new time w champion.

But time I donna take care last.

Don Michael's mother, n it miss Bettorn, this trainer, it's fully hood maybe having some serious medical problems here.

Shun is trying to help. Well, could he be maybe more of a hindrances.

And as you said, I certainly hope that that is.

Heart damage. Talking barely Kay walk Josey's heart because they damage. Jade is broken.

And in the ring.

Stands the new World Wrestling Federation Champion, the man who now will face Wret the hitman.

Heart that ghost said rules the World Wrestling Federation.

On November than seventeenth, nineteen ninety six, and Ladies and Gentlemen Survivors series has been nothing short of extraordinary.

We invite you to join us.

On December fifteen, and Christmas might be coming early for Brent.

They hit Man Heart who goes now one on one with the rating.

World Wrestling Federation Champion Pacholl said.

Who would have ever thought this would have happened?

Anything? Anything could happen.

In the World Rustling Federation, as said Remos and his victory. Sean Michael said earlier that he would.

Do anything to retain the title and said proved he would do anything to.

Tell you the World Wrestling Federation Champion Psycho said.

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What a night. Yeah, and again if you would recollections of seeing that play out and hearing it again, Oh, I mean I was disappointed in the fans because, you know, here was a guy that I was like, He's supposed to be the hero, you know, and what are you doing? Why are you booing it?

What did he do?

Why are you so happy to understand that. Why are you so happy when he lost? Did you hear that?

Right?

Right?

Oh?

It's huge? And what do we talk about?

Who?

Who's making the noise? The men, the guys, the guys, the guys.

Yeah, yep, screaming over that one teenager you can hear go no is the ref's about to slap three.

Yeah, that's that's the thing too. It's like you got there is such a you know, it's it's it's younger, younger kids, Like I mean, I wasn't younger, I was fifteen, but you know, it's like these these much angrier, brutal guys are like they're overpowering.

Yeah, they want to see goody two shoes squashed like a fucking grape. Yeah, it's not just they get indifferent to them and kind of jeer them a little bit, like Hogan. No, they want to see them get fucking murdered in that way exactly. And when the company gives it to them, they can't help but react in a

Oh yeah, Rockage celebrated nearly enough as it as it should be, for what it for, what it what it really signified.

How wild We come back around to it here on on the eve of Saurvirora series season once again here this year, and and the references made there to the December pay per view where Brett, by virtue of beating Steve Austin earlier in the show, qualified to face the champion. And you were within your rights going into Survivor Series ninety six to kind of expect it to be Brett and Shawn again.

Oh yeah, I mean, I don't think I even realized that it was. I don't think I even realized what that Brett was the going to be the top contendent challenger. You know, I don't think I even realized that at the time.

I don't think they spent a lot of time ahead of the show emphasizing that, but I think in the body of the pay per view itself they decided to really lean in.

So it was you know, I mean, I was just I was I was appalled. I was appalled and just shocked.

And isn't it wild how you went from appalled to loving that same dynamic when it lit the fire under Steve Austin. Yes, your transformation was our generation. You know, we talk about the Attitude era as if like it was a generation after the one that we celebrate so much that really led to the record business. And the fans of the late nineties were the one. They were all us.

We were just older.

Yeah, it's not different, same fans, same fans that remembered it as like a kid thing tanemount to a Saturday Morning cartoon, in the same category as Captain Planet almost yep. And now it's like we're in a different place. Culture is in a different place. We're looking for something a little edgier, and what do you know, wrestling is willing to give it to us. But it's the same people.

Yeah, I guess I would say, you know, in a weird way, that is that might have been a much more significant moment in I fandom that I really give it credit for. Yeah, as we're talking about it, because after that, I definitely paid attention more to what the fans were saying, right and what people were reacting to.

Right.

The reaction wasn't a give and it wasn't like, oh, man, this happens, and of course people are cheering. I don't even need to note it because that's logical. That's a logical reaction. But when people start reacting illogically, you're right, you start to pay a lot more attention to how the people are receiving it because you realize that this audience isn't calibrated like you are, right, The truth is

Yeah, you see, there's a big difference, you know, when you get everything inded to you in which I never got to push. I would run into a situation I see the businesses is bring a guy in, you'll give them a chance.

To get over.

I would.

I came in right away my very first match as man event. I know, you know that was my argument. But give me time to you know, let me, you know, go six months you know, as a just killing people or whatever. You know, people like Dusty and only did with me. And that's how I got over, you know, And it was like it didn't it takes more than a week. It takes six months to a year. And I don't care who you are. I mean, I'm lucky

Was was management surprised about?

However?

You were in the garden, Oh I see.

See.

Some of the agents cried, I love that.

My gosh, you know, you know they were so upset for shot, I guess, but it was pretty funny.

It was like he was generally snapped at that point too, because he was going around the house shows and going off when he was getting booed, because it seemed like at that point he was more and more. Was there any resentment from him personally towards you. He never showed me to my face, you know.

And you know, me and Sean I had pretty good relationships as far as I looked back at him. He's always courteous to me. I was was courtious to him, respected each other, He helped each other out. He was too tired to do a meet and great I did it for him. If I was too tired. He did it for me things like that, So, I uh, I know there was some kind of weird calls behind my back, but you know that that's always going to happen. And if you can't get that, then you shouldn't be in the business.

What's kind of weird there? What hit your ear? Well, like it's someone doing meet and greets for Sean. It's like if he's too tired, It's like, well, if people are expecting you Shawn Michael's meet and greet, that ain't necessarily exciting when Sid shows, No, I mean it's better than nothing. But I get your point, and the same thing with the other way around, like you know, yeah, I don't know that's it's well, you know whatever.

And you know what he means by too tired, right, what getting later drunk and high? Drunk and high, yes, of course, not getting to bed till five thirty in the morning. So because they're mature adults, Well, I think that's the takeaway. I think by the time we're done with this tribut, we're going to realize that the business is full of mature adults. I think that's going to I think it's gonn be the big surprise revelation of

In the world. Oh absolutely, So.

Again we have this captive period of time where it's where Sid is the man, he's the champion, and you can reasonably, you know, start to talk about him as like the most important person on the show. And in that vein the World Wrestling Federation produces an issue of what they used to call spotlight. Oh yeah, what can you tell the people about spotlight?

Spotlight was a it was a I don't know what you'd call it, but it was not a a regular magazine. It wasn't a monthly magazine.

Right.

It came out maybe a couple of times. It might have been quarterly or maybe, I don't know, I'm not sure how often. It seems sporadic, but yeah, it was basically they would use it to, I don't know, highlight somebody that probably needed highlighting.

Right, Yeah, it was basically you know they're not dead, of course, but you know when someone dies, like Time magazine will come out with an issue that's about their life in Times, yeah, that'll sell because people are in the mood to learn about that person and you've taken their legacy. And when someone gets a massive push or wins the title, they would put a spotlight out to, you know, lead fans to think about the the arc of this person.

And they even did Woe with Hogan for that matter. You know, they did them with Hogan in ninety three, right when he came back, they had they had a Spotlight issue right around the time, maybe a little bit after he had his first uh, his his return w magazine issue. Did you pick that one up? Oh, fuck you, I did excellent, absolutely no fucking whim missing that one.

And so just the fact that they would do one said something on you. Yeah, yeah, it's not really you know, small beans. They do it about We're talking Warrior, Hogan Brett, Demolition, Jake Deebers. They did one in an L O. D. And Andre, they did some one of the Steiners and Diesel. You know, like, if you weren't it's very unlikely, if you weren't in contention for a belt in WWF, that they would think about doing a spotlight about you at

No kidding, I didn't know that.

And it's a famous one because it's famous because it has that picture of Sid holding a globe in his hand of the world. Yes, yes, And that's a picture that's always circulated when it comes to like yeah, it's just a really colorful image and it's very evocative around like what Sid was and the character they wanted to

As you should. Really, if you are the master and rule of the world, you should have a perverse enjoyment of it with a.

Really you know, uh, strange enthusiastic and wild expression on his face, very colorful look on his face.

Oh sweet. Like we like characters, you know, big fan of characters, and you know, the larger than life individuality. So the fact they have characterization of characters, but we'll get into that, because the fact that they did one said something, but what they said in the pages of

In the history of the World Wrestling Federation, there has never been a champion quite like Psycho Sid, with one of the most impressive physiques in the sport today or ever for that matter. The man from West Memphis, Arkansas finally exploded his potential at the nineteen ninety six Survivor Series when he defeated Shawn Michaels en route to becoming

He came back. No, not at all.

So this magazine is, you know, trying to do something that they didn't do on television, which is remind you that this guy had a prior incarnation, right right, and try to thread those two runs together from the Federation, only to return some three years later in February ninety five as the bodyguard of Shawn Michaels. Once again. After only a short stay, Sid left the Federation in early nineteen ninety six. Early nineteen ninety six.

I mean, I guess maybe he could have been January ninety six he left. I don't know.

Yeah, he was off television, but yeah, I think I think that might be right. He may have done how shows until the beginning of ninety six. The third time, however, seemed to be a charm for the man now referred to as Psycho. After returning to the Federation in July, this time to team with the former enemy Shawn Michaels, a mature and season, Sid silenced all his critics by beating his ex boss at the Brawl Classic, thus becoming

They didn't do a lot of that now I remember in like ninety five ninety six they started really changing that and sharing talking talking about history and talking about people who were in WCW right and or at least

You're calling me and that's a quote sort from the old magazine. That's all I'm talking now.

And then he talks about Yeah, they don't okay, they don't really talk about I'm surprised. Usually usually around this time, if they were talking about Hogan, they'd take a little jab, like like he says he deserved what he got. Sid says of Hogan, Yeah kind of, no, I guess, I guess, but but it's still like they would they would say

This's what you're looking for, and it was the beginning of the end of Hulk Hogan. The man has never been the same since Wreslomania eight kind of. But that's still not it Like, that's not hard to know.

They would they would have, they would have made they would have brought to attention the fact that the fans cheered for Sid right and boot Hulk Hogan right in that that's what they would have That's what they would have done. But I mean, even but they do they kind of go in gear and they say, you know, downward spot on Hogan's career. Bloody, bloody blah.

But and it describes the end of this run in this article as days after the event wrestleming he Ate, without warning or notice, Sid vanished from the World Wrestling Federation. Vanished, Yeah, and it says he went in he went into self imposed exile for the next three years until returning to the Federation early nineteen ninety five.

Would he go on an island or something?

Well during his hiatus ad reads many say that's when he transformed into a complete, albeit popular psycho, and then they go through a period of his life where he's the bodyguard of Seawann Michaels, and they recount all of that, and as we did last week, go through WrestleMania and show him in the vest and jeans backing up Sean Yep and that big promo and the big heel turn and all of that, and they flash forward from there

Like you'd fucking do an interview for anybody else's publican.

Right, like second or third right. A few days after winning the World Wresting Federation Championship, you disappeared. No one could find you. When we finally attracked you down, we discovered that you've been hunting with your old buddies from Arkansas.

That's right.

After all the pain and the sweat till to get back to the top, I wanted to remember who I am and where I come from. I've been hunting with these same friends since I was a little kid. When I'm with them, I'm not the World Wrestling Entertainment Champion or a guy whose picture appears out of magazine covers

It sounds like you were floating above the clouds until you got back to Arkansas.

Let me put it this way, how many people experienced a thrill of winning the ww Championship. One in one hundred million, maybe fewer. Is something any kid who ever turned on a wrestling match on TV dreams about. But I was actually able to do it. It was a long, rough road with a lot of detours and a lot of agony. But when I got back to that locker room after running the title, I really felt like I was in heaven.

It's funny that you'd feel that way since it was kind of a controversial victory.

What was so controversially about it?

Well, the way that you found Michael's weak spot and managed to achieve the victory.

What do you mean.

Managed to achieve the victory as if it was a fluke. You know, I trained for a long time for that moment. I devoted my life wrestling, and I earned that championship. You want to know how I beat Michaels.

By driving that with the bomb, Bob, That's how.

By being the better man.

But you also attacked his manager, Jose Lafario. True, That's all you have to say.

True. What else is there to say it was my fault. He decided to climb up on the ring apron in the middle match, But when I saw him on a ring apron, I made a choice to tour a negative into more positive instead of letting him distract me, I grabbed the camera out of the camera man's hand.

And smashed Lathoria with it.

Hey, it's not like I was hitting some poor, defenceless fan. Jose Lathario has one of the most knowledgeable minds in wrestling. He knew when he was climbing up that ring apron that he was putting himself in danger, but he did it anyway, and he paid the price.

Then you hit Michael's with the camera as well before giving him a power bomb in scoring the pen.

Yeah, I'm not ashamed of that. Look at Michaels. Are you telling me that Sean wouldn't have done the same thing to me if he thought it'd throw off my game plan? You know he would. Now, I don't hate Sean Michaels. I don't hat Jose Lathario, but you don't get to the top of the world as he hit

Apparently the fans at Madison Square Garden appreciated your strategy, as I recall, they were jumping all over you after you won the belt. They didn't seem to have a problem with your actions at all. Now, come on, weren't you a little surprised about that?

A massive square garden from New Yorkers? You gotta be kidding me.

You ever been in New York? It's getting on the subways a fight to the death.

Well during rush hour. He's not wrong if you got to elbows some Moosella Thario got out of the way just to get a seat. It's nothing personal, just the way it is. That's a lot of the fans were cheering for me. They know that I'm not some kind of demon. I'm just a regular guy, kind of like them in an Arkansas way who saw an opportunity.

And took it.

Michaels doesn't see it that way. He says, you attacked an old man and that getting back at you is almost as important to him as getting back the title.

It doesn't right now what show Michael sticks does it?

He seems to forget that, Uh, he's not a champion anymore.

I'm a champion.

He's the one who has to come to me if he wants a shot of the gold, and I'm the one who says the conditions, not him.

Do you ever worry that under regular wrestling conditions, with no cameras to grab and no managers, Michaels would beat you.

If I worried about that, I'd be in the wrong business. It's nice to imagine what the world singenterteam will be like if everyone stayed on the map, exchanging fireman's carries, hammer locks, leg grapevines. But we don't live in that kind of world. When Sid wrestles, he uses the whole arena as a weapon, the ring, steps, the guardrail, the cameras, stannuncer's table, So Seawn Michaels. So it's the undertaker, so

They want to give us a wider sense of the man. And after the article is about you know, beating on Sean and winning its arrivs. Series, we go to page twenty four to twenty six of the file here and the article is entitled when He's Sane Psycho. Sid is a man of contradictions.

Uh oh.

In the ring, he is fearless and utterly ruthless. He never takes a backwards step, and he's always on the offensive, splattering opponents like Vader and gold Dust with alarming ease. During interviews, sid sinister look and vocal outbursts have been enough to dissuade most athletes from wrestling him. Yet beyond the glitter and the glitz of the World Wrestling Federation, Psycho Sit is a man of reserve, a man of patients, and a man who has a fond appreciation and respect for nature and game.

A man.

I've been waiting to find out what he measured in game management Fridays to say, ducks.

Game.

So Boss take it from here. Sid, I guess, is a much different person off the mat, is he not?

Sid is a much different person off the mat. In fact, this magazine has learned that the Quote Monster from West Memphis is an avid hunter who uses the sport as therapy to help him Quote relax. The wild gives me a chance to reflect on my career and other choices I've made in my life.

Also an avid hunter Stephanie's husband.

On that note, Sid isn't any different from other professional athletes scores of NFL and NBA superstars. Superstars, by the way, not players or athletes. Superstars as well as professional baseball players enjoy hunting and f like said, they enjoy the challenge of the hunt and the peacefulness of being at one with the land and the animals that live upon it. Each year said, does what every deer hunter must do. He pays for and obtains permits to harvest deer pays

I suppose, yeah, that he's seeing to it that deer's you know, procreate so that he can kill them. All right, Well, there we go, they're harvesting and procreating deer. He realizes that his payments for permits, licenses, and ammunition help maintain state designated hunting habitats.

Oh good, well, I'm glad. He realizes that in the United States, all the money I pay for deer tags and hunting licenses is funneled back into the game management system.

Also involved in the game management system Stephanie, who says.

The calendar in the in the the Helmsley House. This secures hunters safe every areas in which to hunt, and also maintains ecosystems. You know, the balance of the herds in the woods.

The jim herds in the woods, said the jim hers in the The first time he's tried to hunt a herd.

O deer herds have skyrocket in the last decade. He says, there are millions of deer in the United States and their numbers are always increasing. I'm going to say about it. I'm gonna say it doesn't seem like it actually, if it weren't for concerned hunters, like said, those numbers could pose a problem to people.

Oh thank god, he's killing these animals, especial what we do. He wasn't fucking killing these animals all the time, I.

Mean, we'd all be in deep trouble.

Come on, dear, I really kind of thought like it was gonna say, you know, there are millions of deer in the United States and their days are numbered.

That's what he should say.

I'm hutting you down.

Just the guy you want to see trapesing through the woods and fatigues. Jesus, Now I know where they got the very windom gimmick from.

Imagine you see Sid It's like, you know, just also I picture mounting with you know, like he's wearing fatigue, Like he's wearing like those kinds of cargo pants. You know, he's were you know, uh a camo uh cargo pants and a camo vest, no shirt, all right, and a white baseball hat.

Oh my god, all right, that's the whole Cogan movie. What movie is it where he's got the camo vest and like the fake hair? Is that a secret agent club?

One of those? Oh yeah, it was one of those. You see a picture here in the magazine. No you no, no, no, no, no no no no, it wasn't that. It was the ultimate weapon, Ultimate weapon? Sure, ultimate weapon. So are they called Rick Wilson? They should have called them.

I'm proud of you, dear. You can'todd from Sid.

God, I thought you were reading the article again. I'm like trying to Did you say that? Did I lose my place? That would be amazing. So the if it weren't for concerted hunters like Sid, those numbers could pose a problem to people, especially farmers who depend on their crops for a livelihood. Too many deer in one area means too many hungry deer. Too many hungry deer means the animals will wander deeper into populated areas in order

Fank, Dude, I said, kill the deer.

It's gone. Now look what.

Happened right away? Because you're stupid.

Because you're stupid ass. Are you sure that's why you run away?

Dad?

Hey, right away? Because you're stupid.

Oh my god, Frank just a fucking twelve year old kid, just like trying to, you know, please his dad, Daddy. He doesn't talk like that. He ran away because you're stupid, Naddy. Why are you yelling at me, daddy?

Because you're stupid, Frank.

You let him get.

Away, Daddy, and you're ruining everything. Now I'm gonna go up to Zuzu and see her room.

What do you say?

Now, I'm gonna go up and check on Zusa.

And Susan's sick.

I'm gonna fucking check your because you're a fucking sellure.

Frank Christer was one of the kids. Frank, No, so it's so drafting in this house.

It's so fucking class in this house.

That's it as George Bailey. Too bad we didn't attribute this guy before we did that one.

Oh my god, I would have named George Bailey Heasley out a boy, Clarence.

Clarence is like said, I'm managing the heels.

Oh Jesus, allright.

Uh.

This is a great year old hunter picture to the right with his dad and younger brother, Gunnar. Gunner along Gunnar. That's a nice spelled gunner. It's Gunnar along with him. In fact, Frank is an accomplished marksman. Skip skip skip here two years ago, Frank would sit it a side bagged an eight point buck. Oh yeah, and I got my attention.

Son.

There's just pictures of fucking deer heads in the wall, which I just you know, I've never understood that the taxidermy. Yeah, I just don't understand, Like, I don't want animals heads up there looking at me. I don't get it.

So I know it's not even like an animal rights thing. It's like it's creepy as fuck.

Right, I I listen, I get it. You know that's the way some people are. They want to hunt. Fine, it's really it's just it's that, I that what the fuck's looking at you?

Right?

Those eyes are I don't need that. I don't need that ship. It looks like a Christmas display in the lawn. Really, I know, it looks like animatronic reindeer. Creepy, creepy as fuck. Two years ago, Frank with the other eight point fick. It was the youngster's first registered deal deer kill, and it made both father and son extremely extremely proud. Frank Baggs first deer while he was in the sixth grade. Three years ago. It says he's twelve, right, I know

Don't you know that when kids are on track to Star and brother one year that they shoot him up four or five grades.

Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure he shoot him up a whole different kind of ways. He shoot him rigs and fucking needles and shit, just rigs. What about bagwell? What wow? Will you getting it? Will you do him? Sid there's no bagwell, there's no time to.

Bagwell, right, and that's ladies and gentlemen. While he got fired from the grocery store.

Ah.

Indeed, I have heard that he used twelve gage shotguns and bagged the bucket the Panther Creek game refuge in Mississippi.

I want to short change the kid twenty gauge shotgun T ten, sorry to double the gauge double gate brother, if only double gate. Panther Creek is one of the most prestigious state owned hunting preserves in the United States. The refuse, what do I feel like we just talked about we talked about something on cinemat with turkey turkey hunting?

Did we did?

We?

Yeah? We did. There was some article because it had the guy the same name about It had very little to do with the actual movie, but the the guy who was in charge of the same name as somebody we were I was doing a profile on. But it turned out to not be the same guy. But the story was just so fucking funny that I had to read it. And it was involving Panther Creek. No, it wasn't Panther Creek, but it was about some kind of like organized turkey hunting. To bring that one back to Thanksgiving,

It's the Laps Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio.

And Japiso ask your question, boss, real quick, Yeah, pumpkin seeds yet soon this week? Checking this sweet checking. I didn't want to miss the opportunity. Get it. No, no, no, it's it's gonna happen. Listen, listen, I'll tell you what You'll know for sure because I'll be snacking the fuck on this. As we talked about turkey, you know, I had to had now we get because we got to carve the jack lane in his first and then pumpkin seeds. I made my cinnamon sugar ones. Those were oh lovely.

I'll give it Thanksgiving sandwich come as well. I take it as Oh yes, I see turkey's wandering the neighborhood, and I'm saying, guys, your days are numbered.

Oh yeah, you're gonna get in my belly on the day after. I'm thanksgiving him the day after. More importantly, so that's where the danger happened.

You can only read this much about hunting this close to game season, foul season without reminding folks that Dosa, those sweet smells and flavors right around the corner as well. Oh it's it's so necessary for Christmas this year. Yeah, it's the plan. There's the plan.

I'm planning numbers, showing it up pretty hard. Please continue, all right. Canvas back ducks, teals, and Canadian geese, not to mention other game birds such as pheasant, bob, white, quail, and partridge. Said tells this magazine that deer hunting almost caused him serious injury, not by his or someone else's gun, but by a buck itself and buck, damn bucky, by a damn buck itself. I was hunting during the rut,

Harvest is when you turn something you brought into existence into.

Food, right exactly.

Let me ask you a question, growing, does this article qualified deer hunter?

That?

Okay, just checking, Although I forget I think we had this conversation before. I don't think deer hunter yet qualified. I think I think it's or was there something that's a great move. It's a great movie. But it's a great movie. Huh, it's a great movie.

It is it is.

It'd be great to be able to have that on the list.

Uh So, I mean, can we call sids run the rut because he's also competing for dough.

I mean, wrestlers are always competing for you.

It's not a run terry, it's a rut broiler. He doesn't like that at all, exactly. Low this the fuck down?

Yeah, that he's nervous.

Now when they we're talking about you know, canvas back ducks, teals and Canadian geese, I'm thinking, yes, any of other any other of Cody's siblings in there besides this teal. I don't know why only she got the invite.

Yeah, you know what happens the uh when he got ten ft away, that's when I heard. Really, I didn't have a choice. It was either shoot or climb up a tree. Yeah, I know it's what he's doing. Yeah, God, he climbed up the tree. He's gonna he's gonna fucking break his leg in half. Sid leveled his gun with steady hands and calm breathing. He pulled the trigger. It was an excellent shot. Sid says. The animal crashed to the ground and a thud. When he retrieved the animal,

God said, that's got to be one of the biggest bucks I've ever seen hunted.

Oh God, now, hey see it. I just took to tell you, man, Wow. Now I've seen people harvesting bucks all you know, for for decades. That has got to be the biggest damn buck I've ever seen harvest.

I mean, Howard, I'm counting this thing. I mean, I don't think we've got a big enough table. I mean, I've seen some bucks laid down on our table before, but this is on a whole other level.

Man. I don't. I'll tell you said. You said, you can't bring that here. You can't. No, you're gotta bring that someplace else.

I don't know what.

I don't want to tell you. I can't. I don't have space for it. What do you mean you have the space for it? I don't have. Look, I don't listen. I can tell you right now that that is going to be a stray buck. I don't. I don't grow bucks that big. Now, we we do, we do, we do medium size, not this fucking big ass ship. What do you want me to do with that? I want you to do what you gotta do to clean the sun of bits exactly. I said I don't have the space for it, and you know what said I don't

Mhm.

Let me ask you a question. What does that mean when you put a bliss fucking meme? Said, we don't we don't murder. We don't murder animal life here. This is a place of nature, is a place of God. No, look, let me speaking of witch. Wait, let me ask you a question. Wait, when you shot this thing, did it

Smart old buck too, wasn't he who ever trick in the book to keep out of sight? From what I can tell, how did patients pay off in the end.

See it.

I don't have patience. I get it done, just like you.

Got Howard Brent.

This one's gonna make a great story. That didn't even better Mount.

Harding the mount your head, hold my fucking wall.

He's trying his best to sound happy for Sid, so he doesn't go down this road, but he knows he's going to. He knows he's start threatening him. There's gonna be something that dissatisfies Sid, and at that point all bets are.

Off, said listen, I said, I didn't mean a fan, all right, I did not mean a fan. Let's can we let bygones be bygones? Please?

Shut You don't determine bygones, you bitch.

There's the quote, you don't determine bygones, you bitch.

That's awesome. I cherished that one more than anything said has said this whole series. You don't determine bygones. That think of the utility that that phrase has across everything. You don't determined by like exactly like okay, I'll let bygones be bygones, but you don't decide what's meant by bygones?

Power I did.

It's right, you don't determine so.

Long as I decide what bygones are, yes, I am very willing to let bygones be bygones.

Oh Man, Little twists, it ads, Little twists it Ads is one of the premier locations for waterfowl hunting. Ducks and geese are migratory birds protected under the United States Federal law. Little Twist Game Reserve is located in the migratory flyways for these birds, and it isn't uncommon to see thousands fly overhead at any given time. When deer season ends, you can find Sid and his son and their duck blinds waiting for their choice game to fly

Just make sure when they fly into range that you catch them so they don't break their ankle on the descent to the floor.

Like every ethical hunter, Sid values the role of conservation at conservation officer and conservation of what exactly. Officers and biologists are these sportsmen's best friends. The rules and regulations of hunting aren't determined by conservation officers and biologists. They're the guys who conduct studies on the animals and figure out how certain populations of certain species are overpopulated. Is also great to be in the woods and I see all the animals I can't hunt, such as owls, eagles,

I think the owls and eagles and songbirds have gotten the memo that they're not going to be hunted. Do you think they kind of just like flaunted.

Oh, I'm sure that they do. I'm sure that they're completely aware.

Oh my god, Like how foolish he looks with that big bass he cut. He looks like such an idy teenager. That's what he wants to do, man, he's a country boy. He wants to go home, tend the farm and hunt and softball. It does not take a lot to get his mind to turn to all right, how do I find a way to do an Irish exit here and disappear without anyone even noticing I was leaving?

Right?

That's always the way, And I'd like for Sid, you know, David Letterman style here Top ten Psycho Sid's Hunter's tips for safety.

They do them in order here or go backwards. I guess they're in no particular order, so I don't know. Always hunt with your parents or relatives who've been in the woods a lot. What if I want to hunt and I have no parents, relatives I've ever hunted before. I think what he's saying is, then you can't hunt. I guess. Number two. Always keep your gun on safety even when you're shooting at bucks. Three, Never run with

Dude?

Big says dude. We graduate you on winning the strip. Brother. That's really awesome, Bro, I saw it. I was watching, you know, brother, I was watching the Survivor series.

Dude.

You guys you know you did. You did really fucking great in the gizzard and day we're giving you guys a run for your money over here.

Brother.

But I tell you what, when I saw them strap you up, brother, I thought, oh, man, we got some real strong counter winds coming in. Brother. Like, I was like, oh ship, you know we got You know, I've always said, you look, you can make a bunch of little mistakes too, but you can only make a few big ones, brother, And I think we made a big mistake by allowing them to put the strap on YouTube. I'm telling you what.

Brother.

So I'm at the grocery store, dude, and I see this this WWF magazine, the Spotlight gimmick on the on the newsstands. Brother, and I opened it up, and I'm fumbing, dude. You know, I just want to you know, I just I just you know, my monster to get in a little. I was like, wow, dude, this guy is very well spoken. You know, nice little stories there about Sid kind of getting some of that background.

Dude. I'm wandering, dude, you know you kind of lossen this especially intrigued Browner, by those by those you know your your safety tips are hunting in big fan, And I just want to say, you know, number five dude really kind of caught my attention, and I was wondering if you could kind of elaborate on that. Dude he said, he said, when in doubt, don't shoot? What do you mean by that?

Brother?

I love how long it takes him to get to the question. The preamble is like it's too much. He thinks he can couches his paranoia.

He thinks he can. Yeah, yeah, he thinks you won't notice, right exactly exactly. I mean, you don't shoot? Like where you're thinking about shooting?

Like?

Is who you like?

Are you?

Are you like in a shoot? Dude?

Are you like?

Well? Brother? You know this has gone from work to a shoot? Like, what's you know? Where are you at with that? Brother? What's your what's your you know? Dude, Like, what's your what's your kind of mentality on that?

Dude?

It's your angle? I mean, you're the big dog over there now, brother. You know we're battling company company. Listen, Dude, I want to tell you something. You know, I've been the big dog over there, brother, I've been a big dog on that big company up north. I kind of I get what you're talking about, dude, Like you got people kind of coming for you at all angles. Brother, I just want to I want to ask you you

Brother?

Am I? Beyond the target?

Brother?

Am I?

Am? I? What's what's next? Dude? Like, I'm just trying to get listen. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, dude. I just want to get all our ducks in a row, all right, brother. So, So I just want to you know, like what I just got. I just want to I guess here, here's my question, Dude, are you coming for my tour? You don't study?

Because last time our paths cross? Brother, All of a sudden, I'm looking I'm looking up from the floor at Almondy in New York, and and I gotta wonder if the rugs being pulled out from under me.

Dude, not I read this, I'm saying myself. You know, is this where they're pulling the trigger on on hul Cogan too? Yeah? I'm just you know, I'm over here happy for you. Are everything's done? You've been talking to Bishoff dude, right like? Are you are you going to be Hollywood Hogan too?

Like?

Are you gonna be Hollywood sit or something?

Brother?

To talk to Eric before putting this top ten list together? Brother, I mean, it's just like a shot at hold Hoagan.

Was just you know, be all you know, d you don't don't feel obtimated to, like, you know, tell me something that you don't feel comfort to telling me. But I'm just curious, dude, was it Eric's idea to put this top ten list in there in the Spotlight magazine? Dude? Was it Erics? Did Eric say we want to bring you over be Hull COVID right and do it? Eric, say that you're the third guy and you're already been

Like?

I just got to know, dude, what's your angle? Right?

I'm reading this You're so happy for your brother. I'm reading all this great coverage, all these cool photos of all the things we were working together that's in there. That was great to see, brother, And then I get to this article about how good of a shooter you are and I'm like whoa.

Like whoa? I'm like, dude, I don't know about to said dude, Like who do I put my trust in?

Just earlier in the same magazine, Brother, you're talking about how I was never the same after we met at Russell Lani, your brother, and I get that this you know the wiz erk, right, it's a wiz erk, But I don't know. I get to this article and I got to wonder, like is this subliminal?

Brother, Like, like are you I mean, I basically what I'm trying to say is, are you like, is this like subliminal messaging? Dude? Are you warning me? Brother? Are you saying hey, you know hall because time to look out, dudecause I'm coming for your ass. I'm right now You're gonna roll me up right exactly? Answer the question, Go ahead, answer it. I'm also a little concert you haven't re

Understand right said, you can't blame me for for having to like, you know, cross this this dot this iron crosses t brother. I mean, if this article came out, I want to.

Say you it's nothing personally gets you, dude on emphasize came out. I just got to know, brother, are you trying to take me down? Exactly? Brother? I mean, if w W magazine came out with an article about how I like to shoot and how I went in doubt, don't shoot, brother, I mean, you would be within your rights as the champion in New York to call me. I would expect you to feel the need to call me and say, hey, you know, you know Hawk, what's

And that's what I would say to you. Brother, full of much them but love, dude. Yet I'm not getting that from you yet.

Brother.

I'm I'm kind of feeling like you're you're hesitating game, like we're not really on the same page with this, brother, And I just want to know what your intention is, dude, Like how far do you how far are you going with this shooting thing? Like what's the end game?

Brother?

He doesn't take the hint and said his nut said a word. He just keeps filling the silence with more questions.

Like.

I'm gonna look if it, If it's good, it's gonna keep you from from like coming at me. Dude, We'll give you the dose. Still be about white now, brother? All right?

I mean I'm sitting here and I'm reading about how you had this three hundred and three pounds buck charging at you and that you shot on it. You shot on him, dude, am I not supposed to read? Are you? Am I a buck in your shot? Is this literal, brother, or is this allegory? Like I just I'm trying to figure out what the metaphor is here, dude, because I don't just think this article appeared drop out of the sky.

I just got no dude, what's the dis mhm?

I mean you're silent to speaking volumes. Dude, I gotta tell you, brother, you're not making me feel any better about the gimmick.

I what.

Mh the fact that I said what you didn't respond? I'm and I can still see her on the line. We didn't get disconnected. I can hear. I can hear your breathing. Brother, I ever heard said, let me ask you this brother, your court in this call? What a sharp detour? What he's worried about? And then there's a click, h are you.

Mm hmm?

You sent my church a case of being sausages and I send him an autograph picture.

I didn't get a picture.

Brother said, listen, my church, it's a case of the and a sausage and I send him an autograph picture.

What else is on the top ten list? Yeah? At number six, respect and clean the land on which you hunt. Number seven, always retrieve any game you shoot. Number eight. Respect others in the woods, such as hikers and others. It's for them to Number nine never harvests more than a legal limit. Number ten, learn how to cook game. It tastes great, and his lone fat and his family fun well, fucking psycho literally.

Yeah, that actually makes me more scared of him than anything they ever did on television.

Yeah.

And finally we go to his peers. These are others around the federation, ask to weigh in on what makes Sid sid? First up, crush three words? Make Sid a great champion, bred a strong, impressive, and psychotic. But he will only have the title until I get to him. Okay, Brian Adams, Okay, okay, first champion in w FI history to have a nose ring running into his ear, and then we will see just how strong his heart is. How about the goon? What does the goon have to say?

Psycho?

Sid will go a heck of a long way. And there weren't Wrestling Federation farther than that, sissy boy. We had as a champion before him. But hey, I wouldn't mind whacking that paranoid brain of his back in place with my hockey stick if given the chance. Savio, Sid is a great chump because the men try like a machine every day. Im Eagle, He's had the hunger inside of him for a long time and it's going to be hard to get that belt away from him. Shabbia Bubble,

Size and the skill, but does he truly have the talent that I have without a doubt? No why.

I don't care what these other idiots think, But once Sid stops running and gives me a match, he is as good as roped cattle in my book. Jake Roberts Boss.

I was surprised Sid won the belt, not down his skills, but I was amazed he could actually beat Sean. As far as whether he will be a great champion, it just depends on who you match up with. Who you match him up with. A champion is only as good as the many faces.

If Cassidy, only any living man can beat said in the long run, except me, Without a doubt, it won't be long before I boogy all over his thick skull and shine at that nice piece of gold to mount on the dashboard of the rockermobile. Don't digressed, No, really, you could care less if Sid is a great champion or not. If I got a shot against me Da, I'm sure won't be holding on that belt very low on Hurst Helmsley as far as I'm concerned. As far as I'm concerned, Sid go lucky.

I can't even do his fucking his his idiotic voice. He's like in ninety six.

We would like did a Hampshire accent, still kind of creeping in just.

A little bit, and his voice is like so like it's just very weird. It's very weird. It is. It doesn't have the base in it yet. Yeah. At the Survivor series against Sean Michaels, I don't see him being a champion very long due to his mental instability. The man should have remained locked up in that sell of his far away from civil human beings like myself, Mark Merrow, you know the very first time I saw said, I said to myself, this guy is going to be a

Yes, you do, that's true. I've heard that that is a major force to reckon with. Boy, we heard from mankind, he says. Psycho said, can go straight to some place he belongs. Okay, you see, Uncle Paul has alerted me to look into Sid's eyes, and do.

You know what I see? Fear? That shows me that he's not that crazy. After all, He's got the most common sense to fear mankind as well. He should.

Flash Funk says that I was smoking big fucking hash and that Sid will go a long way as World Wrestling Federation champion because he is a big man with big skills, just like a lot of people say, the man is psycho and that's a tough thing to deal with in the ring. You never know what that boy is going to do to hold on to that belt. Garry Lawler says, I'm sure all the inmates back at the Looney Band we're proud of that stupid head case.

I'm at Johnson, that's awful.

I'm at Johnson thinks Sid winning the title was something that was long overdue and that he's gonna go a long way because I really can't see anyone stepping up to the plate to beat him except me when I get the chance. And we hear from Bart Gunn okay, we've been waiting for. Sid's got quite a powerful man in my book, partner. He's big, tall, and athletic, a complete package. I don't see anyone beating him and win

Honey.

Not only does he have the size to be a great champion. But he's insane, she would know. After all, we are in a land of giants, she says, And he's got that attitude you need to win at all costs. And hey, you never know what could happen in the future between him and me, Babe. Maybe Sunny could be ringside for his matches, always recruiting someone with a gold I know, right heart, I never saw an eye with Sewn Michaels, but I was disappointed all to see his

I'll not with him. So there you go.

In house propaganda as it regards Sid the Spotlight pages as World Wrestling Federation Champion, it's the cid Era, boss, it is, and we can't we can't talk around it. It is the cid Era that magazine giving us a look at all kinds of components of the man. After Survivor Series on television, Vince doing commentary calls Sid unquestionably the most intense man to ever wear the title, and Vince and pettent Gil really that's what he says.

Yeah, really.

On this clip, Vince and Petton Gill are going on and on about how Shawn Michaels put compassion for his true friend beyond his title ambitions by caring for Jose Lothario and that critical moment during the Survivor Series match when Lothario had been hit by Sid and Sean took his eye off the ball to make sure Lothario was okay. And here is Sid speaking for the first time is WWF Champion on WWF television, giving his take on how to interpret all of that.

It's about lad and Tillman.

Why you're playing in the world US played veneration Champion.

What if the manage last night, albeit controversial, you have thousands upon thousands of fans and medicines Square Garden that were cheering you on a lot of folks that it can never happen that you were too unstable, but that was not the case.

You are of the Man.

It is your time.

But do you have any remorse.

Over your accents last night as it relates to Sean Michaels or the sixty two year old Josela Thario.

I got to say no.

The reason why that's because JOSEI I made I have played respect for but you put your ass.

On the apron and then you even came for the game.

And then when you.

Play the game with the Man, they only the three can't count with that?

Yes, what of the Michaels.

What about a rematch with a heartbreak kid?

Yeah, heartbreak kin. You want a rematch, you got it.

I'll beat you once and then that time I'll beat you again because I am.

Because I am the man, will I am the master.

And the ruler of the world.

Seventy superstars are lining up to challenge you. Vader song Co, Steve Austin, the Undertaker, and on December fifteenth, the legendary Britt the Hitman Heart.

We'll go hold on round with here, Wwrcyle.

Are you going to be a fighting champion?

I'll tell you something.

I was dever o'clock to wrestle again. Beat me, Boll called me back. Stephen Bieball made me and Jef ben be for the baseball. I will be my fighting jafman.

Who have hurt out.

Brett Hart specifically, he's looking to Rigga the ww.

A Poddle for the fourth time.

Brett, my friend, you're trying to make comportunity. You're trying to make retiputation to going.

Through this store.

Will you wrestling come back in the Wrestling World Wrestling Federation will end like that on December fifteenth, because you have to face me, Britain Man, hit Man, Brickman.

You have to face me.

The Master.

The game is simple, my friend. Two minutes there, one man survives the Decemblar system. When the snow clears, I will be standing firm the Master, and I am a ruler.

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So yeah, hardly a home run there, No, not at all. That was a awful Remember what.

Jim Cornette said, It wrings in our head right why he had to be paired with Million Dollar Man because right beyond delivering an explosive one minute of xatives, so to speak, Sid really can't remember everything he's supposed to hit on the promos, the data, Michelle, the opponent, he says master and Ruler of the world twice. It's not the kind of promo you hope to hear from a guy who just won the world title for the first time, right,

Yep.

I remember, not a fan, but I remember.

Forged a promotional alliance hopefully to get a little bit of the you know, the Mexican fans to cross over and come to the show and help fill the building up, get some some buzz going on on Mexican wrestling television as well as their own television network for the show, and that all starts to blossom. And of course the dais is there for Sewn and Sid to carry on

Rumble was Sid. Oh thank god.

They play this package on their television show about how huge this press conference was and how impactful it is and how Sean's going to get a shot at the championship against whoever may be the champion, And the champion isn't there, and you might ask yourself, what kind of game is he playing? We've seen this from Sid, we studied his career thus far. Yes, or, according to Bruce Pritchard, who was in the front office at the time, the reason for Sid's absence much more prosaic.

Well, he overslept.

And that was that was it.

It was like what's the big deal. It's a press conference.

Well, we had done TV in the next day, myself, Vince, Sean, I think the marketing people were already there. But we all get on the plane in Hartford and looking around and I'm saying, where the hell Sid?

There's no Sid. We're trying to find out, were you s SID? Last night?

It's like no, And a couple of the boys were in the airport and I'm asking, I'm going down the aisle asking anybody anybody's seen Sid. Didn't see him? Didn't see him? Very uncharacteristic for Sid. Well, we get on the plane. We're calling all the hotels in the area.

No Sid.

We all three get on the plane, myself, Vince, and Sean, and we go down for this huge press conference. Man, we had this square in downtown San Antonio, this beautiful Spanish square, all rented out to make the announcement of Shawn Michaels, you know, coming home and all this bullshit.

He's gonna face Psycho Sid and no world champion.

And finally Vince gets a hold of him around noon one o'clock and he just was like, I guess I overslept.

I guess so Vince was pretty fucking pissed, to say the very least.

And we we had Antonio Pena from Triple A and a lot of the Triple A guys there.

We made it work.

But if you'd imagine today the champion no showing a major press conference for a.

Major pay per view, it just wouldn't happen.

And that was when Vince was kind of like, well, only a little while longer than he's going to be in that position, and.

Bit the bullet and we moved on.

But that was a major fuck up, and that was one that kind of stuck in Vince's craws for a while because Seawan was had been out. Sean stayed up all night long with Austin and they had been drinking all night, and Sean was showed up, had been drinking all night, pretty fucked up, got on the plane and he made it. But yet, you know, Sid, the guy that doesn't go out and party, the guy that is, you know, mister reliable, no shows and can't be found and just thinks it's okay to say I overslept.

It was just a press conference. So that was again one of those beginning of the ends in a lot of respects.

I can't imagine why Sid never got his Just do boss, Yeah, I know, right, unbelievable. Why do not get that six month run? Well, well, Pallyannoi, you did oversleep the.

That doesn't matter.

It kind of doesn't matter. I mean, you know, we have we have the shot exactly exactly the shat you think that works on everybody and on everything. He thinks it works. Of course Coruly does.

So they're trying to get tickets sold for this rumble and they don't have a champ there. You know, Bruce, I think is kind of putting the card before the horse a bit one, suggesting that they were announcing Sid and Sean because they still have the the It's time

Now, because that was the idea, you know, I guess I hear say that Sean's dream was to be in a big show like that in his hometown.

All Right.

The agreement was this, I take the belt at Survivor series and we'd keep it only as long as I was drawn. Okay, going to the Nazi Convention or wherever it's called, the New Orleans representing the WWF, you know, one day and Vincent I went in and we were talking.

He said, said, he's right, two uns for you.

Drop that belt back to Sean and san Antonio. I said, Evince, I said, you say the things were core good that you know, we want to think about it at least or talk about it. He said, no, See what I'm gonna do is this this is on down. We're gonna drop it on me, putting on there, and then we're gonna do a thirteen hour roll and each will put it back on you there. And that was my understanding.

Was and that they did have all they had. The Thursday night wrong was scheduled but didn't go as planned. You know, Sean came out and gave the classic interview about losing his smile and never wound up, you know, losing the title that night.

Was there any personal resignment from you towards Sewn.

No that night, not Mae, because they'll tell you what this step my business, that's his business, and that's what I don't nobody in my business. If I want to do a no show or I want to fucking cuss up promotion. You know, I want my freedom to do what I want to do if I want, you know whatever. I don't judge anybody, but that's Sean. That's what Sean want to do. More power shot. It didn't bother me at all, you know. Uh, of course it's unprofessional, but you know didn't because it pays the same.

Right, you know what I mean?

Right?

And the only reason I asked is because it's now infamous about the problems that Brent and Sean had behind the scenes, and it seemed like it's them from Sean not wanted to put Brett back over and Brett take it personally. That's why I asked with you. And you actually did some three ways with Breton Sean. Could you sense any tension between the two during the Three Ways?

Yeah, I was putting little situations like but uh, we all came out of it every night pretty good. It was a weird batch for it. Who booked out pretty good?

Yeah?

I mean he said he was always put in the middle of these situations. That's what we were saying.

Yep, it's so fucking funny. I think part of the.

Reason that you were so jarred back in the day as to why Sean suddenly didn't have the belt anymore, is what he just said. It was a Thursday night Raw. Yeah, right, exactly, That's definitely it. Like I missed that Thursday Night Raw. I didn't watch it. I forgot all about it for whatever reason on that Mondays.

US Open or Dog Show whatever, right, and so you know, you know, for me, I was watching. You know, the last time I saw I saw the WW would have been the Monday previous, so two weeks had gone by for me before I realized that Shawn Michaels gave up the belt and Brettheart was a champion at Thursday Raw. Thursday.

Yep, that was a very memorable night for a lot of reasons. It was live's Lowell mass. Sean does the the infamous I've lost my smile speech and relinquishes the belt, having tweaked his knee in one of the aforementioned triple threat matches off television with Brett Hart and sid that they were doing around the horn, and he, uh, you know, does it heartfelt speech in the ring and gives the championship to events and leaves and they do the whole tell Me a Live thing again where Sean leaves before

And Yeah, it's very true. That's a good point.

It's all happening in real time. It ends up being Sid and yes, Sid and stone Cold in the main event of Thursday Raw Thursday, instead of really Sean. Yeah, and I don't know if I've ever seen the entire thing. Actually, yeah, it's quite it's quite a memorable night. Prickly in retrospect did a lot of stuff that ended up having ramifications. They go back to that show a lot, you know, and telling histories and stuff.

Oh yeah, yeah, it's always a thing.

Now, Bruce takes a little bit of exception, saying, you know, this idea because Conrad references this interview and says that Sid was under the impression that as long as he was drawing his champion that he would continue having the strap, and Bruce, I think rightfully pushes back and says, no, it was always the idea. Everyone knew before Sid even beat Sean, that it was always a plan for Sid to drop the title Sean and san Antonio. And there was never this proviso that if you were drawing, we're

Of course, I mean, or you know, yeah, it needs to be exactly.

Exactly would be fucking death if they didn't have the happy ending there. And there's hardly in the early days, hardly any meditation on WIF television around Sid's era. You know, they're not really trying to tell the fans that this could be the beginning of a long rain. Not initially they don't say that, and of course that's probably because

I mean, he's he I think I talked about this when we did the ninety six Survivor series. He actually made me nervous that he was going to turn here. Yeah you're saying, and before or after the match? After the match? Yes, when he started, because he started acting a lot like Kevin Nash did when he lost about the year prior. That's the same playbook. And I was like, oh god, they're going to do this now, right, not Sean, He's my new Hogan. Amazing. Why do they keep doing this to me?

It's weird They went that place with him, considering there was the Cinderella finish coming up at the Alamodome.

Yeah, right, exactly.

But he starts acting out. I think Sean, you know, you read his book and hear him talk about the zero.

He was so.

At his own head about the presentation being all wrong. You know that this playing to you know, screaming teenage girls and being a boy toy and stuff that it was very clear after ninety six was done that that was not going to be his meal ticket. You know, that was not going to be the kind of presentation that was going to leave him perceived. He does a really successful champion, and he was always very insecure about being accepted at the level his predecessors.

Were as a champion. That's a big thing.

We finally get the strap and we heard, like Isaacady Guerrero for instance, struggle endlessly with feeling unworthy of having the belt. And for Sean, I mean, I think that is a huge part and we did a lot of the psychoanalysis of this when we did the ninety seven journey.

Right, it's in again. It made me very nervous.

And they go to London and very nervous. And when they were there they shoot some TV and Steve Austin actually hit Sid with the belt. There was a little mini Sid Austin feud during all this that's kind of easy to I vaguely remember that. Yeah, they have Sid versus Austin for I think the first time at least on television a couple of weeks after the Survivor's series, and Austin hits Sid with the belt and Davy boy Smith actually runs out and starts fighting with Austin, and

Here is champion. Okay, I really don't know what the controversy is about.

Why everybody is where aroulse sticking their nose in my business.

First of all, you Brett Hart, you come down, you davy boy, you come down.

There's no place for you there.

So what happens when you stick your nose in my business?

Yeah?

The champ I am the champion of the world.

That says at all that says that I am the man that says that I am the master and the rule.

The world.

By New Era darding here in the world Roastic Federation with the highly aggressive cycle to the rating world ROSTI feration in Jamie'll just winning to end the title.

I guess the hit man on the early Christmas President in your house that fits.

But there it is.

That's that's all tasty and new era. Did he just say yeah, yeah, it's fleeting, but they start talking about it and Sid kicks off the December ninth, nineteen ninety six braw as well in this vein.

Welcome to be wanting a ww have Monday night Raw begin you along with Terry the King Lawer.

And ed On Jr.

And look goostrolling from the squ circles.

No last than the World Last Thing Federation champion.

Himself a monster of three hundred Conder's in jar An individual.

Perhaps it's indeed leading us into a new here here.

In the World Last Thing Federation of Donald Willis Morris Biscol Gifts are concerned, Sycho said, Maybe.

The leader here in the w doesn't live for a long time to come.

But what a cross road.

Psycho sit and finds himself backing this Sunday on pay per view, because will it be time for Psycho said to catch his name into immortality there you see it? Or will it be Brett Hart's opportunity to regain the WWF title for the fourth time.

Give me a break, Jim Rush.

I don't see anybody in the WWF they can beat Psycho Sid right now.

Look you beat Sewn Michaels, He'll beat.

Bret to hit man heart looking woo him down.

Look at that cych co Sid, But we're all ross plays fighter action champion tonight.

And going against another champion.

Yes it's a champion pursus champion, sich Com said, perhaps power bombing us off here raw as sids work up.

Again come late.

Hum.

So there's the framing new era of stuff, talking about his his physical gifts and all that. But it really starts to sound to me like, you know, this is going to be the only time Sid's going to headline

It's kind of weird now, it's so fucking convoluted and it's so phony.

Yeah, yeah, because they didn't really, they didn't react that way when Sid first won the belt, and now that there's a pay per view to sell without Sewn involved, it's like, well, we got to really kind of make it about Sid because we're not No one's going to buy this pay per view for what Shawn does. He doesn't have a match. He's going to be there, but we can't spend much more time emphasizing Sean and the damage control element of it, or it seemed to me

In row, No, not at all.

I cannot say this. Shawn Michaels in the state of mine. He's in agreeing to do the honors either. So that whole U come to Jesus conversation about how I just want you to know I wouldn't return the favor for you, Brett. I think could have been pushed forward quite a few months if if the issue was forced to WrestleMania thirteen, But for now, its time is on the calendar. Sids the champion, and we're going to frame him as a

Yeah, they're like they're completely uh uh you know, they're they're they're they're not making him feel important. They're not making him feel like he's worth paying attention to me or investing in. Right, he's not.

He's not having the definitive outcomes that a champion of tenure would. You know that they've trained the fans to expect from a champion that's going to have a tenure with the belt. And as this all happens, as Triple H crawls up the aisle to avoid the pinfall, Sid's got this flat look on his face like he's watching the cashier ring him up or something, and it's like normal, look, yeah,

Pay per views, and so you'd wrestled twice in the day.

Well, if there was a match in the can that had been taped weeks before, yeah, sometimes they'd play that match in the morning of the pay per view and then you'd wrestle that night. And just like you said, on the pay per view, they talk as if you wrestled earlier that same very day, which is just hilarious. But in this case, they would set up a live remotes.

Yeah, but you watched, yeah exactly, you watch all the shit leading up to it.

You at least get a glimpse of the terrain and the and the atmosphere and the energy, and you get it. You hear from from from the players, and you get a sense of what's going to mean to them when they finally hit that field. And that's what these little Superstars occasions would mean. And and Sid actually had some some some bright shining moments during some of these, uh, these Superstars previews, if you can call them that, that

The WWF Champion, Psycho Sid.

It is sold out here tonight and millions of people will be watching on pay per view in your house.

It's time your challenger, Brett Hart.

Feels it's time for him to regain the WWF title for a fourth time.

A lot of other people feel it is a new error here in the WWF.

It's Psycho Sid.

Time see it.

You're exactly right, And what I feel, I feel a little parannoy you coming from you here, man, and no reason why, because you consider yourself the best there is, the bester was and the best ever be. So you gotta understand something, my friend, you're.

A great technical wrestler, but.

I beat the greatest technical wrestler of all time, and that's Sean Michaels, And so wow, he is planning in the back of your head, and you know that you've got to come to my game plan.

Hey, that is power, power.

That you don't have.

All right, Well, speaking of Sean Michaels, he'll be at ringside doing color commentary tonight.

Is that going to be a major distraction?

No, it won't be good.

I'll tell you something, Sean, if you stick to your nose in my business, you'll get the exact same thing.

Oh, thank god.

But so it won't bother you none whatsoever. There's Seawn Michaels.

Who sit.

Sewn, just flies into frame and jumps on said, wow, street clothes like black shirt, black jeans. Way, I'm pretty sure you can hear Vincent there. Hey, knock it off. Knock it off, ye, knock it off. Goddamn you remember that Sid doing an interview outdoors and like the sunny Florida and then Sean flies into the frame with like a planchet.

I don't remember at all.

I think they replay it during the body of the Royal Rumble nineteen ninety seven. Pardon me, it's time ninety six broadcast. So yeah, Sean's showing up and he's fighting anybody at noon. It's pretty it's pretty wild.

Then that sounds like Sean during during ninety the nineties.

It's Sean looking for anybody to fuck with. And then later on during the pay per view itself, with the white painter's cap on backwards, Sid has this to say.

Oh God, you have found out in a short you've been World Wrestling Federation champion.

You are no longer the hunter. You are the hunted.

I'd like to take you back to earlier this morning on Sunday Morning Superstars, when that has never been more evident.

Now there it was Shawn Michaels diving on you.

As I was conducting an interview with you, out comes Brett harton At one time you and Brett Hart are.

Both beating on Shawn Michaels.

And then Brett Hart really made the big bad mistake of turning his back on Psycho Sid. And boy, you sure took advantage of that opportunity. As we can see right here here it comes wow.

Thiss like that. Dot.

See if you head the loan by now see, don't put your nose in my business. And if you can't believe that as today.

All right, Sid, but Jose aside tonight you can squelch the critics. You can silence everybody by defeating the legend Breda hit Man, Heart, bad Hair and the future.

We make take it that top Brett, Shine, be.

Je Shine and Shine fall. It's easy.

Last.

Thanks, all right, all right, Vince back to you at rings.

Fan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnac and JP.

Sorrow barely understand Dan thing. You know, so you get to kind of change it up a little bit. You know, I might might get it. You're a master of the ruler blah blah blah bah blah. But you know, maybe say something new, something fresh, something that maybe isn't that. Please maybe say you're you're a goldfish, You're a monkey. I'm the monkey and the ruler of the world fans, if if that's what it takes, Yes, maybe say you're

And uh something from that major And on his entrance to face bretton the main event of this In Your House show, Vince is talking like Sid's going to be the dominant champion, for years to come. And then Shawn, who gets on color commentary, call Sid the WWF's most expensive piece of luggage. He says, me and others carry him here and carry him there. Oh my god, Shawn says.

It's a good one.

Sid always worked well with Brett, Suplex's and mayors and Sid's taking bumps. And then suddenly Austin comes out and chop blocks Bred on the floor. This leads to Bulldog and Owen coming out to stop them, which again leads further credence to the idea that before Austin was to face Brett at WrestleMania thirteen and the Infamous, not the Infamous, the famous submission match, it was to be Steve Austin versus Davy boys.

Smith, which just hurts. It hurts. It's hurts so bad.

When they still thought that there was a chance Brett and Seawan were going to tangle in Chicago. So Brett now has a bad wheel thank to Steve Austin's blindsided at t the action hits the floor, Sid goes over to the announced table and pie face as Shawn Michaels sewn gets up on the apron and Sid tosses Brett into Shawn Michaels, leading to a collision and that allows Sid to hook Bread up for the power bomb and

That is true, that's a very good point of time.

The next night, the December sixteenth, nineteen ninety six, Raw, Brett, of course has many grievances because of Sewan and Steve

You can just hear it. You can hear it. And on that show, it's a Austin versus Vader, like holy shit, you know they they weren't shying away from Steve Austin building up his tough guy bona fides, despite doing sneak attacks on Brett to put him in there with Vader and have him go toe to toe and fucking slug it out with him. Oh yeah, I mean that's I mean, they're really doing such an amazing it's really amazing work they do with Austin. Yeah, especially it's really remarkable for it.

Like really crystallizes. You're like, wow, yep, they actually were really smart every step of the way, and like doing little things to make you still realize that as sneaky of a motherfucker, Steve as he's not running away from anything. He just rabbid and that will actually come to love

Gentlemen, we have pretty much core get to you the one and only what like butter Rectionia champion, showing us now.

Goodhead, but the moment the fake razor music, of course annoying.

Thank you very much, mister fitz McMahon said, you haven't crossed the entire world westing direction.

J I just paide a point.

In less than thirty days, while you have dominated to the extent, you have defeated Sean Michaels with a power bomb. You have defeated Prett Hart with a power bomb in less than thirty days.

Can anyone stop you? Can anyone take.

That title from you?

Dis No, It's simple.

See the game might play. I am the master, and if you step back to the ring, you will go down.

All right, Then let's take you to the Alamo dum.

The day will be January nineteenth, Seventy thousand fans will jam packed the arena said, and when you face Sean Michaels, the outcome of that is didn't question at all as far as you're concerning.

I'm gonna tell you something.

I know I'm going to shine Michael's backyard.

But you gotta understand something, mister McMahon.

I thrive, I thrive unversity. So it will be my victory, a sweet victory to walk into San Antonio and take Sean Michaels way more.

Don way more don to the top, two feet up and two down.

It works.

And as far as don't get it, I think your part be interrupting it. As far as Jose la.

Fario is concerned, he's Valcavie in the corner of Shawn Michael's once again.

And I wouldn't think that would necessarily concern you though, will.

No, I'm gonna tell you some pose. Remember what happened to Survivor series. Do yourself favor and stay at home where you belong.

Yeah, thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us, Psycho said World of Rustling Counteraction.

Champions, and had taken a step further. The next week, December twenty third, nineteen ninety six edition of Monday Night Raw, Sid visits with Vince.

There's a little food for thought there.

You can't talk to this man, and he is the man sixty nine, three hundred and thirteen pounds, but he got.

A wonder one of the folks in.

San Antonio think of Psycho, said, the folks in New York City.

Loved him at the Survivor's here.

I don't think sim will get that kind of reception.

It's San Antonio at the Altamodome on January nineteen.

What a magnificent physical specimen.

He is not tendingly cure.

He beats people in a pad with a string and what's been timid.

Edison always apologizing for his lack of technical skills.

I know, well that's that's the j R. Way Federation. City is young. This that is true.

Man Sean Michael is looking on as we speak back in the locker.

Amarion here he is psychos in less than thirty days.

Keep the music going. Hear that power bombs go yeah.

As power bomb roughly hitting man hard defeated both individual and indeed establish your dominant. It seems to me, however, that John Michaels has an attitude rent the hitting man heart as an attitude.

Attitude is that word? Very interesting, Undertaker.

Everybody has an attitude. When it comes.

Attitude, Oliver, I would suggest that they all are going to be playing right into your hands.

I do you think about second for a second. With the thirty days, I had to feed it the two waited technical wrestlers thround the world, but the game they played was technicality.

And then at the end there was only power.

For well, walk the ground guy, listen.

Right, because I understood repredator, But the World.

Wrestling Federation.

Should say that after that there is.

About the world.

What was was Shan microsby thinking.

But I will everyone to realize one thing.

As I stand here right now, I am six foot nine and over three hundred.

Pounds, and tomorrow I was a sixty.

Times three hundred pounds.

No doubt, I'm a going to day after and the day after.

Earthy day after.

This man is he's little nets but stuff. To be honest about it, I don't know, not working for me. No, I mean, listen, he says the same thing over and over again. It's not you know he it's kind of funny because he I feel like he had more to say in ninety two.

You know.

Now it's just the same shit over and over again. Yeah, you're probably right.

It got the psycho character, so it's like it's all affect and like there doesn't seem to be a great depth of things that he's able to pull out and say. It's just like as long as I scream and laugh maniacally at certain beats. They clearly fed him the super Predator line that was a new one. Yeah, that was a big one in the news, like a characterizing like inner city youth that were killing and murders like super predators.

Yeah, no, I don't think it is.

Well, we do have the great luxury of Sid having taken the strap right around Christmas time as we head into the holiday season here as well. We were the beneficiaries because when the crack WWF production staff got together to try to come up with some holiday themed content for the syndicated weekend shows and such, the fact that Sid was champion allowed them to create a little jingle. Do you remember this, No happy Holidays from the World Wrestling Families.

You're a damn right, So yeah you better? Uh what was it?

A choke slam and a power bomb and uh, they were just they were just trying to make holiday content around Sid. It was so bizarre.

And you know when they would do that around certain guys, it was always so fucking weird. You know, it's a guy. You know, there's one. There are a few people, and Sid's one of them. You don't need to make him Christmas, all right, he's like the he's like the opposite of Christmas.

It doesn't occur to them like whether it fits. It's just like, well, all these guys are fair game for a little well we do can't well we could be lighthearted, we can have some fun. These guys are entertainers.

It's like like like like the entertained.

Actually Sid isn't an entertainer, Vince, He's if you make him a parade float, suddenly he's he's not as interesting to watch as a wrestler now as yeah uh. And to further humanize the man, probably to his detriment, Let's not forget. This is also the winter of Live Why the Live Wire experiment October I believe it was they or September, they just started doing this Saturday morning call in show concept from the television facilities in Stanford, where you know it would just be Vince and Sonny or

And uh, what do you know?

Christmas nineteen ninety six, that live wire not Christmas Day, but that you know, the live wire before Christmas. Sid makes the trip. The WWF champion is in studio, and Boss, you better believe he's taking your calls.

But if we take some calls from the subs and go to Craig in Florida, Craig you.

That, oh, I'm certainly here. Good morning to you.

Donc get goodness sure this is a real guy.

By the way you the man did. I was there West Palm Beat Auditorium. The way you took care of Brett.

To hit man heart a thing of beauty.

I got to tell you, root for you to take care of Sewn Michaels.

I'm tired of hearing him running his mouth, complaining Brett Harr complaining you got anything in doors special for Shawn Michaels to take him down.

I'm will tell you a step that I'm going to take to Sean Michael's Trim Survivor series when has always worked for me, and that is my game plan. That is power, that is strange, and that's what's coming straight on, straight on.

Well right now, tell you who's straight on.

Today?

Good morning, b You have a question?

Ever said? Yeah, Well, first of all, I decided I'm a major SIT fan for years. I think it's about time that he has a title. Right, And my question is how older wife said, doesn't put his opponents o stretcher and knocking on the alley more like he used to.

Well, let me tell you something.

See that's what that's what I might have him store coming Alamo. Don't but don't be surprised if it happened and Yushaine Michael or the first one to be stretchered out.

Cool.

I believe them could be a prophetics named it. There are you saying that you would like to.

Have Shawn stretched out in front of seventy thousand people?

I would just say that it would it would just prove everyone's too is demand?

Well, I would have to say, right now, twenty seven days, you power bomb Brett Hard and Shawn Michael's within that twenty seven days. Undoubtedly we are in a new era here in the World Wrestling Federation.

But sid you.

Gotta admit your work's cut out for you three weeks from the morrow.

Well, I'm gonna tell you something. My work has been cut out the day one dog, But I'm gonna tell you something.

My head's off to you, SHAWNE.

Michael.

My hat's off to you.

Bretton Hitman Heart, the one time World Wrestling Federation Champion. I now know the pressures of having this belt around your waist. I feel the pressures on my shoulders, but I actually take the pressures and I can carry the load of the World Wrestling Federation.

Let me ask you about pressure.

Now.

We talked about this earlier.

You do have a beat fan following.

Your mindset.

You don't care what happens as long as you get a victory.

Now, how important are these people as far as motivating you?

Will tell you something.

When you're down, your look, your face is down on the mat. The only thing that brings you up is the fans, either doing or cheering the fans. Everything that comes through your body and out through into your heart and out your eyes, out to your skin.

Pards here feel the fans.

I feel them, and.

I've heard them from day once since I've been back in the World Rusting Federation, and I will continue.

Doc.

Are you go ahead?

Would one mind taking another phone call?

And those people would love to shock you.

Let's take Mike in Connecticut.

Mikey there, Yeah, how are you doing?

You got a question for sick?

Yeah?

Happy holidays everybody.

Thank you.

Sid.

I just want to say I'm a major fan of yours.

I'm glad that you destroyed the heartburn kid there, and uh, what's on?

Uh?

What else is on the horizon for sit in ninety seven, not only with yeah on coming.

Up and possibly Brett, but maybe a possible match with you Invader maybe.

Well, I'm gonna tell you something.

Messages.

Being the World Wrestling Fair Racing Champion, you cannot go by thinking who's your next opponent.

You gotta live off the interstinct.

And instinct is the only thing that's gonna make you survive, help you make it to the next day.

And that's the one thing I have going for me is good instinct.

I have a la fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed fan fan wrestling with Jack.

And that's the one thing he's got going for him. Boss Good. Who's the woman there that's sunny?

It was.

Yeah, obviously the tape quality is poor, but they don't have pristine quality ones on the on the network for this live wire stuff. But yeah, that's one thing he's always had going for him as instinct, uh.

Is in Yes he stinks.

Isn't he such a charmer? And that extemporaneous speaking role, it's awful. What's awful about it?

He just because he doesn't know what to fucking say. He's got right, It's like he he It's like he comes in there with an attitude and then he blanks, you know, and he realized that the it's like the attitude can't get you through it all, Like you need more this attitude. You need to have a fucking point.

It's like I already said that. Uh, I already said that. You can almost hear him like run out of things.

Yeah, exactly, And it's awful later.

On in the show, and it wasn't I try to write home about But Shawn michaels him cell phones in probably slept in as well and screamed it said a little bit and said we'll rustling Federation one hundred times. And we go to the December thirtieth raw where Brett and Seawan are in a face off and they call Sewan, I believe, for the very first time on WF television, a degenerate. I think it's the first time really the word degeneratives used, yes, and then Brett attacks Austin during

It right and because you want it right.

He's basically Brett comes right out and says, if you're not fourteen year old, fourteen years old and female, you were a step down essentially as champion, and h I kick your ass because I can, and Sean says, yeah. This is where Sean fires back, and I have a hard time believing that this one was arranged ahead of time. He says it with kind of like an annoyed tone. He says, I've seen you on the road, pal, and

You know, it's it's not going to help.

It might help sell the match, but it's not going to help, you know, Sean be perceived as as someone to be taken seriously as an n ring guy, and he's coming up on the Royal Rumble, and you've got Brett reminding people that gay guys look at playgirl. You know, I'm not sure this isn't actually a huge moment because these two. Yeah, but the point of this for our purposes this time is Sid comes out any screams you've played the game, I'm sure, He says, it's very simple at one point.

That's another one. Yeah, simple, very simple. Yeah, it has to be real simple. It has to be Sid. I mean, they wouldn't they wouldn't hand you something complicated to say. Yeah, listen, you've proved that simplicity is the only way you can go.

He says, I've beat you both. I need competition. And it's at this point December thirtieth, nineteen ninety six, this is the line in the sand. To me, the Undertaker's gong hits, and the Undertaker comes out, and they tease for the first time that Sid and Undertaker is a

And kund it was everybody.

So I think we're within our rights to think of what we're seeing here is them setting up Sean winning the title back from Sid and wrestling Brett Hart at WrestleMania, and Sid facing Undertaker in a singles match, but knowing that a non title match, but knowing that it becomes Sid and Taker for the title. It's also easy to look at this raw and say, oh, they knew that that was going to be the WrestleMania thirteen main event months before, But I don't think that's what this was.

If only that was the case, and no right, I mean it's funny on so many levels.

On January the nineteenth, in San Antonio, Texas, there will be seventy thousand fans in attendance, cheering the hometown hero Sean Michaels, who will attempt to regain.

The WWF title?

Or are you that didn't sound positive in timid days?

No about going into such hostile territory in San Antonio.

See dear Ross, you haven't even got a clue because I intimidated by nothing.

No man, then wolves, what we're standing in.

Here right, here's what I consider the dying field.

And inside this area.

We'll be hidden hitting.

The dick, We'll be dickings. I'm caso take.

The camera.

And hit someone before you were hit first.

Told you wouldn't apologize me, man, good.

Dying Seeing San Antonio Talamo Dome, everybody's gonna.

Realize something dislike that scene that.

Day I was born.

I was born the man.

See Sean Michaels, you, my friend, you can never have that clean I don't care, even if it's.

In your hometown.

So I'm gonna walk kidsto San Antonio. But the yards against me.

I will walk in.

The man.

And I will walk out.

Yes, Oh, look out the man. Oh I say this, does it, Susan? Because I am the master?

Yeah, and I am the ru the ruler. Blah blah blah blah blah. I get it. Well.

That remained today saying I would suggest I remember said is not the underdog.

John Michaels clearly is the hunderdog.

Cannot learn about it.

I somehow don't understand, don't remember or call boss when we were doing the Terry Funk Journey uh doing his interviews in succession and being like, oh god, here he goes again. I don't think a single time.

It's like it really is. Know, it's impactful when he says it once in a while, but every time it's not good.

Guys shouldn't even talk for like a month, you know, I know, you should only be brought to talk in an explosion of you know, intensity or something. Yeah, but I mean we're really seeing you know, his upper his upper limit, We're seeing his ceiling, and we forget this when when the guy passes away, and we, you know, think so fondly on the moments that he participated in that impacted us as fans when a week to week it was kind of a chore to watch him do

To do to you.

How aboudy apologizing to us for fucking awful promo? Oh he doesn't do that. Later on the show.

I don't know if you remember this, Remember when Pete Lothario's son was backstage and said power bombed him on a table.

I mean, I mean Pete Lothario, Pete. I remember seeing clips of it. I didn't see it happen.

Yeah, they played it up on the Rumol Landy seven broadcast as well. But it's on this raw or Pete Lothario's backstage and his cowboy boots or whatever, and Sid grabs him by the throat. Just an innocent bystander, right, to further exacerbate the the cowardly attacks that he was making on Lothario to get it Sean heading into. But then we have an inspired promo and come to find

Uh in just a in just a little while.

And the thing about this interview that's different is Sid has said and shoots that this is pretty much the only one that comes to his mind when they ask him the question about you know, is it better now that guys are handed scripts to read on promos than it was before when they weren't. And he does say that this promo right here was the only example that he remembers a Vince handing him basically a script handing him, you know, the structure of what to say.

And he liked it.

He said, I really thought it was thought out well. It was something that at the time was a perfect interview for the right time for that show, and it was leaning up to the big show that at the Alamo with Sean. I was in that empty arena and I pretty much did word for word with Vince. They were that good all the time. If they were that good all the time, he said, I'd sit back and let them do all those all the time.

But they weren't. And he said he had the luxury because he kept a lot of the inner material himself. Of being prepared, he says, he is always going to be prepared with something you know exactly. But Vince would say, you know, this guy knows his interviews. I doubt he'd say that. But he says, they let me look at one and say do you like this or what do you think? You know?

They would bring material by him, and Sid says, if I had one better than that, they'd let me do mine. But he thinks of this one right here is one of the better interviews he did. It was laid out perfect. So if they come up with things like that, I'd say, that's what I let them do. I think a lot of times myself will have something good to say too, and so I think I'll listen to him in that instance. Well, you'd be the judge.

This is Sid.

Holding court, so to speak, under different pretenses and auspices. Ahead of the Alamodim MATCHICT Royal Rumble with Shawn Michaels.

See over one hundred years ago, a great German philosopher. He said, in the act of fighting monsters and the procedure, be sure that you don't become a monster yourself. But in the Alamodome, I will have to be the monster.

To take what is mine, to walk out the World.

Wrestling Federation champion.

And I think Sean Michaels would say the same thing.

The battle progresses, and at the right moment, I reach out, shine and I have you by your throat.

The look did you look gift to me.

Will be obvious for over here it ring inside or be your mother, And once you will know that look too, and then all the way over here will.

Be whole saved. He will know that look too, but this time he won't get on the apron.

Because he knows better.

And if someone told me that this section over here was gonna be nothing but your friends from your hometown, Seehan Michaels, but they will see that look too. And Jose, you are going to summon all the Mexicans from Mexico.

And all above there, all above here, they will be seventy thousand of them.

And even at the highest seat of the roof.

That look, and that look, this says at all, this says Sid, You're a man.

You're the master.

And that was one several days out from the rumble, and then the morning of the Rumble on Superstars, this aired.

No doubt, ladies and gentlemen, he is the most intimidating, the most imposing WWF champion of all time. At six nine, three hundred and thirteen pounds, indeed, he is an intimidator. But Sid, you're probably the only man that I can think of within thirty days to beat the Shawn Michaels at the Survivor series and then Brett Hart on December the fifteenth. In your house, Shawn Michaels, I talk to him earlier. Seems to be under obviously a great deal

See, you're right, Jim Ross.

Everyone would have to say that the crushers on me. I am in your hometown, Sahn Michaels, I.

Am the man, and the man feels no pressure.

Let's go back to earlier today.

Now, let's go back to Monday night roll when I said at the Animal Doome that the people would see it in your eyes were earlier today, Shahine Michaels, that was there that same and then I heard the excuses.

I have few, I don't feel good excuses.

Try to walk.

Let's see Sehn Michaels at the Royal Rumbo when you enter the ring with me, then I finally get my head.

Yeah, seventy suries. They will see the same look that you show.

They will see the same look for fear.

That you cannot be the man. Yeah, for I am the man, I am the master, I am the ruler.

H Later on the Free for All, he came out with the belt resting on his shoulder before the people who had already filed in, and again apologized for what he was about to do. To sit in Jose Lethario and it's time for that walk boss to walk in to a packed Alamodome as w w F champion.

Sewn Michaels, Ladies and gentlemen applauding this capacity crowd.

And there, ladies and gentlemen.

There is the man if you would, there is the World Rustling Federation champion. You can hear this capacity crowd beginning.

To view booreadder what they are viewing on this massive screen.

Yes, this monster and someone say this great champion on his way to the square chuckle.

He has indeed dominating the World Rustling.

Federation as highest medal, defeating Sean Michael's defeating brown Hark.

And that brings us to this Jr.

This is Vince with one last flourishing what chifontimidating.

More dominating peynacal champion.

Ever s.

Oh, it has come down to death.

Shacko said, has his fans as well, Harry, the all them all gone?

Well?

Fans them all out the United States over thirty states?

Brief or patres are here?

Sacha said, Yes, we'll have a scamandery a fans. I'm sure they will be very much.

That's right.

You know what, this is a brilliant move by sich Go Sin because I gotta tell you this, Sean Michael's ego is so big it needs its own sip coach. And when he sees even one from these over sixty thousand fans, Jerry.

Fer said, that could blow his mind.

You can see Sean Michael snap.

I'll just keep this in mind said apologized and the free for All. He apologize for what he has to do tonight and the last time he apologize. Pete Lethario went through a table.

Sid World Rustling Federation in Champion defeating Sean.

Michael Fanam Square Garden.

Half the survivors are and.

I know where are they all at all?

For Sean, it's just so disappointing kind of how, I don't know, like, you know, he really fizzled so fast as an interesting, badass bad guy. You're not feeling it there, No, no, I'm over it. Really interesting, like he it's interesting. It's kind of funny that his his promo work and his intensity were much more easy to get behind before he was champion. Yet when he becomes champion, he's uh, like

Yeah, it's it's interesting, you know, casting is important. Casting is a skill. Casting as an art. Yeah, and in wrestling, guys whore just casting in the correct role or they're not and you only realize when they're taken out of that role that, Okay, they're not multifaceted enough to play any role. They can't they can't adjust, they can't be like, Okay,

It's like Andre. If Andre had a title reign, you know, like, what the fuck is he going to say with the belt? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I guess you know, with Andre, you kind of have somebody else speak for him.

But because Sid never had a program where his challenger was nipping at his heels and creating doubt, or a challenger who was in his facing, I'm taking that belt

Know, when Sean won the title back, it actually felt weird. Yes, it did. It actually felt like it was I could only the only equivalent championship run that I can think of right now is when Flair won the title back in ninety two, because both Flair and Sean had lost the titles in such big fashion, splashy. Yeah, it just didn't feel like I couldn't. It was like, there is I don't feel it. I don't feel like they're champion anymore, right right, All it really.

Did was kind of cheap, and the feeling of the first title reign like I kind of felt stupid for being as over the top excited that Randy Savage pinned mc flair at WrestleMania when Flair just won the belt a few months back.

Yeah, it just, yeah, I don't know, there was there was something about it. It just didn't I mean, I knew that Sean was going to win, you know, I mean it was such a foregone conclusion, but it just didn't feel real. Yeah, it felt like that whole those those few weeks that he held the belt again, it was just so like, Wow, Sean Michaels is champion again. It's so weird.

Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know what all what allegory to make what well, what the similar situation is. I don't know, it's it's an analogy is tough because it's like I'm trying to think of like in television, like you know, after a show Cross that jumps the shark. It's kind of hard not saying Sean jump the shark. But it's like, really, you just want us to go right back to feeling about Sean the way we felt before Survivor series.

Right, and there was no you know, especially with Sean because he he'd been playing that that tweener character.

Yeah, we we had an ambivalent feeling for a month towards him in Bivlin feelings Brett hadn't turned fully heel and yet he's he's he's trying to beat the shit out of Brett Hart.

And yeah, you know, it was a weird.

There was a weird kind of like dissonance going on with him because he still had to be the hometown hero because the show was in San Antonio. If The Road Rumble ninety seven was in fucking Indianapolis, I'm sure we wouldn't have felt so weird about this title win

You know?

Sid?

Just now an afterthought? Yeah, the matter was okay. He was one of Sid's better ones, But again it falls into that category. Even if you can think of big studio stadium shows that Sid was on, it's like what came of it?

You know what?

What?

What's the legacy? Do people look back on that show and say, my god, did Sid rise to that occasion? No, it was just like he was window dressing almost in.

A weird way. Though it does make me wonder, like what the fucking I mean, granted they didn't know where they were going, you know, there was so much change going on, but part of me is like, I wish they'd just let it, you know, let let Sid just stay champion. I wonder what that have happened. I mean, there were have been a lot of stuff that would not have happened that were crucial right in regards to

It's it is it turned out to a great moment, but really what it is, it's like if you're going to pick a show that that that fits a SID tribute and you'd already done Survivors series ninety six, this is his other title, Wind makes sense right.

Right, But what I mean, it's it's like it's just what I'm saying though, is is it's like, it's it's just a you could I would have liked to have actually, you know, given how it all played out and given how weak it was that Shawn Michaels kind of wanted back. It makes me think when I would have liked to I wonder what it would have been like for Sid to go from Survivor Series to WrestleManias Champion, but so

But I think they really got the belt off him because they wanted him to win the belt in San Antonio, and it was like, yeah, whoever he crossed paths with the Survivor Series was probably going to take it off of him. That's what's always been my impression.

It's just like, but why, Like it just seems I mean, I guess winning it back is a big deal, but I don't know, it just seems weird.

Yeah, yeah it didn't. They didn't account before in that planning that the person who beat Sean at Survivors Series he would end up capturing the narrative, you know, and being the talking point. It was a bigger deal that Sid won the belt than Sean lost the belt, and I don't think they count counted on that at all.

It'd be like Hulk.

Losing the belt to Warrior. Yeah, it was a big deal Warrior won the belt, but it was clearly a bigger deal that Hogan lost the belt, especially in retrospect. This was not the case for Survivor Series. So during the course of the match, in the Almo dumb Sean hits Sid with a camera, a television camera to get revenge on that front and hit some of the chin music, and you know, they do the whole thing. The kid came home and he won the WBF title with mom

I thought it was legit. Do you really remember this? Yeah, yep, I thought it was legit.

I was.

And again, you know, I was so paranoid at this point, Oh yeah, of WSW getting all these guys, and so was Vince. I was like, right right, and it just freaked.

Me as paranoid because he knew you as a lifelong WWF fanly paranoid out there. And so he's looking nervous, and Vince is like, Brett, don't do this, like under his breath, as if like he's like shooting with the guy. And then Gorilla non Soon, who is still WWF president, makes the fatal four way man event for the February

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So again, Sid is in the crosshairs of all these changes that they're making and all these adjustments that they're making to their presentation, trying to catch up to w CW. And here's what Sid said on that first two hour Raw.

Psycho Sid, I'm gonna ask you a question about the WWF canda before we do it. All started the Survivor series. You walked into Madison Square Garden and you became.

The World Wrestling Federation Champion. And then in less than thirty days you went to West.

Palm Beach, Florida, and you beat a legend and breadth they hit man Heart, but it all ended for you at the Royal Rumble.

Fate is a funny game.

So what I want to ask you right now in your gut, in your gut, said, what do you feel?

What do you really feel personally.

About the WWF champion? Sean Michaels.

See, I've heard Shot say it himself. The relationship then that I have, it's a weird one.

They can roller.

Coaster up and down listally, physically and emotionally.

You can say it's a friendship.

Baby on the edge of madness.

We'll say that.

I feel safe to say that. Even Shine Michaels will agree that evil is just that it is evil.

That's sometimes we mistaken it for happiness.

Maybe in my case.

Evil showed up its survivor serious.

In the your case, Shine Michaels, maybe evil showed up at the roll Rumble.

But when this roller coast, the ride is overshone.

When it is over, it has time up and that has come down and the rod comes to a halt.

In the smoke.

Clears, I won't be standing the man. I won't be standing a man.

In the Master.

In the rule. Oh my goodness on Royal.

In twenty seconds, ladies and gentlemen, we will speak with the tag team champions Bullog again.

Oh so that's the last promo he does before Thursday, Raw Thursday. And you would think that, you know, it's always a question to me, like when was it clear that this was off the rails? When was it clear that it wasn't to be Sean versus Sin on the show, and that Sean fact only wouldn't wrestle on Thursday, Raw Thursday, but relinquish the title well as of the Superstars in the morning of.

And this is not live.

This is in the can so you can't read too much into it. But they didn't take the time to edit it out, which says, I guess something in its own way. Shawn Michaels is on Superstars the week before Thursday, a Raw Thursday, and has this to say about Sid and Man. Everything just seems on the rails this.

Thursday Live at Thursday Raw Thursday, you are gonna have an awesome challenge when you defend your World Wrestling Federation title against the man you wanted from Psycho Sid.

Well, you know something, Psycho sid.

Was man enough to give Seawn Michaels a rematch after Survivor Series.

So Sid, I'm gonna.

Turn around and do you the same favor you did.

Me, because Sid, there are four other guys here in the World Wrestling Federation that are just aching to get a shot at this belt. The World Wrestling Federation Championship as of late, has brought out the Monster and all the superstars of the World Wrestling Federation were show and he's ever been. It's made Stone Cold, much colder than

So I won't do it. But regardless of what Prett.

Says he wants to be the World Wrestling Federation Champion more than anything. I said, the question is who will go to WrestleMania to defend that title.

Will it be you or will it be me?

And on Thursday, Rob.

Thursday said, the entire world on WA thirteen is gonna find out who the man is in the World Wrestling Federation and who the man is that will go to WrestleMania. And I want sid, I want the fans to the World Wrestling Federation, and I want those four superstars, and I want the entire world to know that there's been one thing synonymous with WrestleMania and the ma I WrestleMania over the last.

Few years, and it's called not So the year.

Candidate Heartbreak Kid Sewn michaels So said Cresh just short on Thursday, Wrong Thursday, you will get another chance at the World Wrestling Federation Championship. Shawn Michael's the Heartbreak Kid will be until he deems differently the World Wrestling Federation Champion.

Yeah, until he deems differently. Indeed, I would love to know what the finish was originally supposed to be between Shawn and said on this show, sitting here realizing I don't know that. I know Sid was supposed to win it back, according to Sid, But how was Brett to interfere with Sean just going to go in there and lose it clean? I said, how doubt it?

Sid was going to win it back anyway, That's what Sid said. It's very fucking It's very strange.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's almost like Sean agreed to it knowing it wouldn't ever ever get there. Yeah, it seems kind of bogus.

But you know, all of that promo work they did, and the first thing you see when you tune into that Thursday Raw Thursday is Shawn is going to forfeit the belt. They make the announcement, It's like what and he comes out and he starts talking about, Yeah.

What did you think when that happened? I was because like I didn't again, I didn't know.

I mean, I was willing to believe that he had a knee injury, you know, I was willing to believe that just because he was so hard felt in the promo. It was like, yeah, this guy does not want to relinquish the belt right now. This is the worst possible time for an injury. Like this and that does happen, and he was limping like hell. It was only in retrospect that you had the cynicism because he never got surgery, although he's a serious surgery. And then when he comes back,

That was always my impression of it. Maybe, but it's just so weird, like I can imagine it's just a shocking thing that all of a sudden, Yeah, it seemed really sad. I bought into it for sure, because I just everything happen, like I said, everything happened to me, and such a such a a a it was such a big so much happened in so little time that I didn't really have a chance to process what it was like to experience that, like Sean Michael's just relinquishing the bell out of nowhere.

It definitely it didn't I don't remember. And I was somewhat plugged into like online gossip about wrestling at that time, but it didn't really register with me as all, this guy doesn't want to drop the strap. It didn't because I didn't really have the context of knowing that they were going to go with Shawn and bretton the rematch at WrestleMania. It hadn't been made as apparent as I think people thought without reading the sheets, so it was like, Okay,

Stee Boston, the undertaker of the man they call Vader, whoever wins, knows that tomorrow night they have to go right in and on Monday night, Raw face this man. He looks like he's ready to go right now, Psycho Sid a little bit more than twenty four hours away.

That's not too much time.

Time.

Time is the one I did not want to air. See time way out for you, Seawn Michaels.

And yes I am sad for you, but I did not get my SAIDs they get my belt back on Thursday nights.

You see time, Sometimes it turns out to be funny.

This time it's a regular old it's something different.

So my time will come. Want to beginning?

You ot a new time for Monday night.

Row excuse me what.

He'll be paid by the winner of the Final four?

You have to make demand? Yeah, and then it is time. It is time to give me back what is mine? I am a master in the.

New time he's referring to. Is they move Raw back? Yeah? I guess. But what the fuck man like he's he he just I don't.

I.

I mean, he definitely sounds psycholo.

That now, But when he comes to that line again, it's like, oh my god, he's that's all he's got. He's doing the Master and.

He just doesn't know how to fucking say a cohesive sentence.

That was.

That was one of the worst ones, as it was clear that he got direction to try to draw attention to the fact that ra'z going to move to nine to eleven if he had to head for two hours with Nitro instead of seeding that ten to eleven to them. But so bizarre Brett Win's the fatal four way clotheslining Undertaker out or was it Austin I don't remember.

Now it was Undertake here. Austin was out early. It did a match where he was the first. He was the first one out, first one out right.

It was elimination style and over the top to the floor counted like a rumble for god knows what reason.

Well, remember it wasn't just elimination style. It had a number of things.

It was.

It was you could either win by tossing somebody over the top or pin or make them submit, and nobody did the pinner submit. It was just over the top rope. It was such a weird like it was very reminiscent of those of the of the Rumbles of No Mercy. Yes, you know where you could have the different the winning you know, or elimination combinations, but they never did any of them except for over the top rope, Yeah, which I just don't understand.

That's if they re ran the Royal Rumble almost with just four guys. And so, of course Brett wins the championship here on the show, and Sid comes out at the end to confront him, setting up Nashville the next night Live on Monday Night Raw, February seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven. That'll be the subject of our deep dive here next time. And with that on the horizon, we're just going to quickly tie it up with a bow. What happens after that Raw as regards Sid and what becomes of the

Any other surprises you think man Kind's going offer.

Listen to me, Mankind, I can hear you lost up.

All your German language.

But what you should have done, you should have gotten ready for the game.

Because the game we play is simple to manor.

Playing.

I am the master, and you have to find out the hard way, because then you come another symbol.

Of one of my many victories to WrestleMania.

Do you, Undertaker, to the dark side, to the drug side? I go, and you what would come? Another police side of my victories? Because I am a man, I am the master. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

To take it vers of Psycho sit So many but man.

God, last time we'd hear that raw music right there, that's trus track. That's true.

And Vince Call, said one of the great WWF champions, on his walk to the ring to face mankind on this edition of Monday Night Raw. The next week, Raw is indeed War. They set up a new stage with a graded kind of rampway and a huge ass Titan Tron. They don't switch out the aprons though. The aprons are still that original blue with the white stencil WWF logo on it. Yeah, and they haven't transitioned yet to the Attitude Scratch logo. There's still the yellow kid friendly logo

I love it.

And they fucking they're fighting on the roof of Titan Towers.

The roof of Titan Towers was the ninety five one, but I'm not sure this This was more like a factory. It kind of it pans down into like.

They did both. Let don't have that one in two. No, I guess maybe you're a different one. But it's funny. Yeah, I mean it's all like it's all fucking metal, uh, you know, fucking steel cans exploding and shit and barrels, barrels.

It's like the ones like les encampments would have fires in and stuff. Right right, you have these huge doors swing open, and Steve Austin is the choice for the guy to walk through those doors, and he's one. He's the one power walking as things explode and fire off. And there's like scenes of these stars being projected under

You can't forget this. What was the original Raw is War theme song? It wasn't. It wasn't too many guns and not enough? What was it? I don't remember? What was Beautiful People by Marilyn Manson? Wasn't really remember that? Oh yeah, I do, I do, I do vaguely.

Music that they had to pay for. And while it probably felt like a smart investment to get this new concept of Raw off the ground, pretty soon they stopped paying for it and went to the Raw is War that we would know for years and years and years during the Attitude era. But the problem is would that I think with that change over in the music, they also had to swap out the opening montage for the one that they created after they stopped using the Marilyn

That happen.

Looking at and like I said, who kicks off the first ever raw is war sid said.

Psycho said, I understand that you have had several meetings with ww OF officials and that you are somewhat reluctant to join Porza's tonight with the Undertaker.

What's the story, Jim Ross, You and everybody included must think of something kind of fool something. I'm gonna tell you something, Undertaker.

I know when pull bears around it was mankind of vader. I smell something.

Yes you do, see, yes you do.

You'd be right in man.

So what I'm gonna do is this I've thought of that I am not gonna fall for your.

Trap, Undertaker, because of WrestleMania.

You will fall victim have.

Become another symbol of one of my victories as the World Wrestling Fairly said champions.

Like said, refusing to join forces. That's the Undertaker.

What you need to do tonight, Undertaker, and maybe even for the rest of your career, is you stay in the cemetery where you belong, because after WrestleMania.

That's where I will put you once and for good.

What about you? Oh, we are.

Thirteen days away, once and for good, for good? What the fuck is wrong with him? How does he just get so stupid. How does he get so stupid and yet be such a smart businessman? Apparently? Yeah.

So later on the show, Taker and Sid do team up. They end up fighting each other and there's choke slams, and this is one of the first times you see take Er do that huge dive where he clears the top rope. He does that really because everyone comes out right shake it up, and then Sid ends up power bombing Undertaker. So the hype is on for that WrestleMania main event on the March seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven Raw.

Well, what's the second half? Seems like there's a new motto in the World Wrestling Federation. I'll screw yours. You scratch my back and I'll stab yours. I'll stab yours.

Jesus Christ, remember remember Sean walking away with a small you know tears running down his face and limping.

Yeah.

Two weeks later, he's back on Raw and he's not hobbling, he's not hobbling, and he's dressed like Don Johnson brought Miami Vice. I mean, what the fuck, guys, no wonder people said this. I mean two weeks later he's on Raw, prancing around and.

Part of the mix.

Part of the mix they're hype in WrestleMania, and he's standing there. He's in frame, So Shawn in play again. I'm sure they didn't even fucking know. But this is a famous one because they extend the window. Raw does an overrun like for the first time, and they do this usually controversial for the time angle after the matchup. But before we get there, one last promo as champion on Raw before he loses it to Undertaker at WrestleMania.

Here is sid be Constructed.

Psycho said, are you ready for Brett?

They hit man Heart.

Ready, miss big Back, go Stave Austin be Rediy, you asked out of my business?

Did I know why you're here?

And you would have to be a complete idiot to know what you're up to.

But tonight I am going to take red Hawk and I'm going to power upon him.

Right through the floor, and I will walk out the.

World Wrestling Federation Champion.

One reason why, because I am the man, and I am the Master, and I am the ruler of the world.

So Sid hits the ring, takes a minute to admire that sparkling SID sign, which I feel like is such an underrated part of why he's so fondly remembered.

Oh, I agree, I agree. That was huge because he you know, he actually uh, it's funny because the Warrior was doing that and then they gave it to said, Yeah.

They probably just like took a few pieces off the Warrior's logo so it's spelled Sid instead.

Yeah, that's true. That's huge.

That's such a great entrance here with that thing, and Undertaker and Steve Austin are trying to get their man the title so they can go forward at Mania. Remember that that was like the I do you know if I do remember that wins.

It was was so weird because, you know, because because the way that the championship was so sloppily done, not not I don't mean like in the way that but the fact that it was. It was you know because back in the day you know, they the whole thing was whoever wins the Royal Rumble faces whoever's champion, it doesn't matter, you know, you know, if if it's Brett Hart, doesn't matter, if it's Undertake, it doesn't matter. The winner

Yeah, your match was your match before they knew who the champ was going to be, right right, as opposed to one guy's going to challenge no matter who comes in champion. And so you have Steve Austin ironically trying to help Brett win the cage match against Sid so he could get a title shot, and you have Undertaker

That's true. There you go, that's what he does to look past the.

Fact that Sid knew that taking massive soup plays off the top rope equal to half a star in the sheets and led to him being just a tad more worthy of spotlight and a tad more worthy of our desire to see guys that are too big to be taking flip bumps take flip bumps.

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And so there it was. And then Brett tries, you know, you bump to take the bump, and you bump to bump right, and then sometimes you feed the bump.

I don't think said would disagree with the single word you just said. And that's kind of the beauty of what we managed to achieve. Looking so closely at a career.

Like this, sometimes sometimes you don't understand, and sometimes you have to bump. Sometimes you gotta bump to bump right, and on different times you know when you got a thing going on and you cut me people coming from you at all sides. Sometimes sometimes you gotta feed the bump and then bump to feed and things go different ways, up, down, all around. But time and time again, I've proven that's real simple, that it's real simple. A bump defines who

What a troll job that would be if they convinced the local newspaper that wrote a feature little bit for Sid that his nickname in wrestling was the Master's that's Sid, who is known in the industry as the bump Master for his ability to take amazing follows from awkward angles.

The Revolutionary bump Master.

Sounds like a discarded nickname for PN news or something. The Revolutionary bump Master, as he was known.

Oh my god.

So it plays out and Brett tries to get through the door of the cage and Undertaker slammed it in his face because he wants Sid to win, and as a result of doing that, Sid does win. So he retains the championship. The ring clears and Vince gets in the ring to do a postmatch interview with Brett Hart and he says, you know, Brett, you must be frustrated, and Brett goes frustrated. Frustrated is not the goddamn word for it. This is bullshit. First time ship had ever

Is it apologize takes a red.

You are wrong belt.

Apologized, takes a red.

You are wrong belt.

That hard lady, Sid, I don't know shit, ladies and gentlemen, witness said, when they let guys say shit un raw for the first time, first chance.

He gets I don't know shit, cry baby, Sid, Sid wil it out.

Oh god, I can't fucking handle it.

I can't.

He's so I don't know shit.

I never told would say I don't know shit, like you know, and like in the moment, it's you get why he said it, But like somehow no one else ends up doing that to themselves, you.

Know, no one else ends up suddenly complete.

And utter fool Sid, all right, and what's the one with Nash does We'll get there, But it's in w C in the run to come, and he says something like, you know, you don't have half I have half the brain that you do. And he would try to patch that up and act like he was told to say that, like that was he was giving a script to say that, to make him sound.

Oh no, dude, like it's just bad. It's just bad. He's such like you know, for every for every like you know, moment of greatness, he's got like eighty of just it exactly. And that's what we're here to do, is to do the math, right. I don't know shit. I'm a fucking to add that. That's when he really dug his own grave.

You know what I do, Bret Hort, I stick my head in the sand and I eat warm.

I don't know shit, cry baby. I don't file taxes like I'm supposed to a hot income. I'm a tax dodger. It's like what, I don't know shit.

I don't live here, he says Russ Upple, I got to be on us. I don't know shit on just no Fianna Sausages.

And Austin and Taker are tussling as well to end this episode of raw and uh, it's amazing. And this is also where Brett Deck's hall offimer Pat Patterson, that dirty son of it in Vince almost says son of a bitch on commentary because Brett laid out Patterson, who, by the way, absolutely had to be the agent that was crying for Shawn Michaels after Sid beat Sean. There's nothing pat loved more than to cry at Shawn Michaels. Uh famously. Uh, you know he agented the Iron Man match,

And here it is.

Sean and Michael's and Sean Michael's did you have those ghost bumps all over your body?

With us man coming in a ry?

Oh yeah, I love yeah, are you ready to take a walk on the dark side?

Guests to night.

I think it's gonna happen when Yonder Taker's got my man, I'm coming in. I'll tell you what. Then you're in this building right now, I'm mounting that. Boys and girls, you can feel it.

Something is definitely gonna go down tonight.

And something I already has its spiking up. Something going down.

Here he comes, she.

Said, ladies and gentlemen, And he is the man, and he stepped.

To the ring, and he speak.

And then think about Ken said, if.

He has time upbraid and I'm the dark and I know what.

Sometimes back you, okay, sometimes you.

Gotta be smart enough to be a plaid like see, I'm afraid of the dark.

You know what I'm afraid of, Sean Michaels. I'm afraid you're a big liar. Why don't you tell the truth. You're out here for one reason. You're out here to try to do something the fight.

Don't sit Why don't you tell a night not to out a chance?

Not a chance.

I'm here to watch fine, here's a rustling fan.

I feel like I'm a gold year old boy against sitting.

Here watching the sport that I love from the good scene.

Yeah, in the front call.

Theres I is said three sixty nine per team, the challenger six ten three twenty eight?

What a nic will not be a technical master fee that's.

Gonna be up come again?

God mean who will follow his tenth?

Of course?

Will it be the five five?

Or will it be the tenth?

Don't tile Driver and Sean Michels.

You've been in the ring with both of these individuals, and I would suggest that you know exactly what it's like if you want to receiving end of when them Psycho said power bombs is land matter?

A duke got oh there it is?

What he's the man? Is he enough?

Man?

I'm gonna tell you what a lot of this has to do with's momentum.

Stud has had momentum. It's an India those square card. No, I don't think he's had flu then on but the other night, dr night.

I just played to the awards. You can tell that's the other day. A walk up there to receive.

The war deck for award.

Its fun.

He was changing, beam was changing I well of first time ever. I don't want to write for much.

I would not want to be in the ring, But either one of these guys, you're talking a whole lot of bunk, a whole lot of mass.

You ready to get that.

It's all about respect, is it not, Sean Michaels, and I would suggest, and certainly you respect Boom in the Miduels in the ring as well as they respect each other.

Certainly.

Oh yeah, I mean there are a lot of guys you're in a well ustling federation that it would sit in my.

Chair right now and take the cheap shots to post these guys.

I'm not gonna do it.

I respect for Sid and I have my limited respect for the Undertaker. He's got ice water ring through his veins. You ain't gonna shake up the Undertaker, So you got to pay out some way to beat him, and it ain't ees.

So it's wrestling Mania thirteen. Sid walks on to a big, big stage. I think we can say one last time in a lot of ways, well he sure got some people, I mean, events, WCW. It never quite felt like this again for Sid as he does the honors for the Undertaker and and you know, not before Brett comes out and gets involved like the bitch he is after.

That, I know, I know seriously, like they just this is that. I mean, it's it's great to me. It was great because it solidified his heel status, but still is he is He is a bitch.

He is a bitch for coming out after assaulting Steve Austin after the bell and passing him out in the sharpshooter and then taking the chair to his knee and all that. So he's full heel now flipping fans off on his way back up the aisleway, and then he comes out and tries to fuck with the WWF title match.

The moment tivin dat w w F Champion is his drink.

Maybe a love best going on in the arena, but that love is about to turn the rage. This man, the World Wrestling Federation Champion. Psycho Sid has defeated Sewn Michaels, he has defeated Brett Hard and tonight, Psycho Sid, this could be the most important night of your w WF career. As you meet the Undertaker letting go, You are right, my friend, WrestleMania is the biggest, the beat of the world.

What's a year but.

The night when darkness false?

Every man, woman and child, Oh, he is scared except.

For one person.

Only one person is that scared of the darkness. And one person is not scared of the Undertaker. And that has me, my friend, the game.

We plase, I am the master.

Yeah, yeah, they already has.

It's pigging up, something going down there. You come, lad and gentlemen, and he.

Is the man who he sapt for the rag. We speak.

And then they are hot.

Like con said, if he has time up grade, I'm the dark and you know what, sometimes.

I can work against ship. Sometimes you gotta be smart enough to be afraaid, Like, gee, I'm afraid of the dark.