Ep. 398: Sid Tribute Part 2

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We've called Sid many things over the years, but as we get to the portion of his run where he made it the World Wrestling Federation for the first time in nineteen ninety one, I just can't shake my year's long obsession. In fact, probably if you can consider it something that formed in this era in my childhood, probably a lifelong obsession with Why do I always say the Revolutionary Sid Justice. Yes, if we have kicked this around for years on the cast, and if you don't know

But it's just this is it?

This is that's all to say that this is the ninety one ninety two blue tight Sid Justice to Sid Justice to heel. Yes, from an enabler and a helper and an ally of Hulkogan to a WrestleMania opponent an enemy. I mean, honestly, that's why we're here, That's why where it really is. It's it's it's it's it's you know this, it's funny how and and.

You know, these feuds, these feuds more than and this time period, more than anything, these were the the feuds that really sunk in, you know, for some reason, even though you know, you think about this run being so short, and it is, it's less than a year, but these were monumental moments that made like, to me, Hogan and

We're setting for our generation, which is the generation that supports this whole nostalgia wrestling podcast Boom, by the way, didn't see a lot of nostalgia pods for the eighties doing the kind of numbers the Hasbro Kid ended up doing, creating an entire industry. Basically, it's the archetypes for a certain type of face versus a certain type of heel. Sid and Hogan and Randy and Jake Yep, yeah, that's pretty much and you can see the world in those

And also too, when you think about the fact that that Rick Flair, you know, with champion from the Royal Rumble until WrestleMania and that's it. Really you know, he was champion for like two months, but it seemed like a lifetimes.

Things just simmered on the stove.

Man.

Yeah, I mean it's the it's the same broad strokes as why you know, everything was pretty much better because everything had time to marinate. You know, anyone who enjoys fine cuisine knows anyone who enjoys fuck fine cuisine. Anyone who enjoys well cooked food knows the difference. They know low and slow on anyone who enjoys cuisine right, low and slow. That's right, And if the business is set up to not allow low and slow, it is by definition inferior to the former presentation.

That's correct.

You're not holding it against the current presentation that it has to be that way. We get the market conditions and understand that the fans don't care. But I'm telling you it used to be a much more satisfying fan experience. That's why we stand here. That's why we have the audience we do. That's why Conrad has the audience he does. That's why anybody who talks about wrestlers from this era have the audience that they do. Because it was pitch

Is it?

Are there WWF magazine articles maybe like one from when Sid was a face when he first came into WWF and then Sid as a as a heel after returned on Hogan that that you would you might, you know, remember from your childhood that we could bring up in this episode, like instantaneously, Yes, absolutely.

Yeah, no, no question, They're right there, they're ready, and.

There's not an article that anybody's going to think of that's a fan in twenty twenty four, in fifteen years, that epitomizes what it meant to be a fan of wrestling, at that point in time, there will be no such thing. And that's inferior for sure. And that's inferior. So here we are, and you were ready, you ready to go, and oh yeah, we're going to unload. I'm actually going to send one to you. Become tasty. The first one I purposely didn't ask him what it was going to be until we hit record.

That's right. So the first one actually is from the December nineteen ninety one issue of the ww magazine with Sid on the cover, and the first said w w F magazine cover. Ever, Yeah, I believe so, I believe so. I don't think he had any I don't think he did any stuff leading up to SummerSlam that I that

Actually, the all scams aren't credit equal from a bandwidth perspective. I've noticed this.

I'm going to see if I can just give you the time, but you're ready to go.

You're ready to fire instantly. Oh yeah, Sid was that kind of guy.

Yeah, I had. I mean, there was there was this dread of mine as a as a fan that he was. I can remember all the magazines that he was that he was featured in all of them because they were so they were so monumental to me and uh and my my fandom.

And I like, how you put fear on it, because in preparing for this, you know, part of his career as part of our Sid tribute here at TLF, it did. It did start to ring in my mind what you were talking about with fear. At first, I was like, really, like, you know, Sid turning on Hogan created a fear and

Yes, yeah, yeah, he there was a I mean not only that, but there was a uh uh it felt like he he he would not, He just wouldn't. Hogan couldn't do anything against him. Yeah, is what it felt like. It felt that's and again he felt in that regard. He felt dangerous and.

In a different way than even Undertaker, who was, you know, invincible to everything. It wasn't even similar. But it was like Sid wasn't dead, he wasn't supernatural. He was just this guy that like that, just Hogan could not you know, puncture. Right when he choked slams Hogan, it wrestlemaniated, who's your dumb? You know that moment? Yes, he cuts him off. Hogan's like running wild for a second. He cuts him off and choke slams him. It came right back to me

Yeah, it's it's a it's a very it's a petrifying yep in that in that especially as a as a fan, as a Hogan fan, as a as a man, as I said, someone who was who was rooting for the baby face, you know these this is essential. Uh uh, it's it's it's like, wait a minute, what the fuck? What the fuck?

And we act like Survivor Series ninety six is kind of like the first time that that rabid fan base just kind of punctures through the narrative and cheers Sid destroying the squeaky clean baby face. I'll tell you at who's your nome, which of course is you know, the biggest crowd Sid ever worked in front of those people. I mean there were there were Sid rules the world signs on the hard camera side close enough to it,

This is the man, this is what we want. We want to see this person take.

Over and it's so amazing that, like Vince, as we talked about last weekend, as we'll talk about this week, brings in sid under the guise of Hogan's spot. Right, Hogan's spot is available to you said, if those are the terms that you're going to come in on, and that of course is a babyface role. As circumstances morph, he becomes a heel for the WrestleMania match. But still when he turns heel is when you can hear some of the most vocal crowd support for him replacing someone

Want to say too, uh. You know, there was the question and the actually made me think so regarding Bo his twin brother, when you know when he was in WCW, was he was Bow Bow vicious?

I didn't, no he I mean I had the Galub Sid but yeah, but I played with the Galube Sid as Sid Justice the w W a wrestler, and I played with the two Sid Justice has bros. As like a separate tag team. I see it was as if it wasn't as if one half of the Justice Brothers was the guy who wrestled Hulk Cochin and WrestleMania eight that for some reason was the said vicious Galube. I see, which we failed to mention last week. By the way, are you aware that there's a UK sid galube with

It's not okay. It's not okay that you couldn't access.

That, right, it's not okay that I had no idea until this age that it existed, and that right, I had not a prayer pre Internet of ever getting my hands on it.

Yeah. Never, you never would have been able to, like, you know.

That's another thing, by the way, in twenty years, nobody's going to look up something and say, oh my god, that existed. I had no idea, yep, because you always have an idea the world.

That's right, there's nothing special and.

Things are manufactured with that knowledge in mind. Things just things are marketed with the knowledge that every single person whoever might want to buy this is going to be sort of micro targeted from an advertising and marketing perspective.

You know.

Yep, it's like you're.

Gonna know about it because they know the age you have to be to care about this new figure that they're rolling out, because they come out with figures based on studies of like, yes, who has the biggest propensity to spend? Who who's aged into actually having an income to afford fucking one hundred and fifty dollars action figures?

So ridiculous.

We're a very strange place, boss, And I don't know what the other side of it looks like, but going through it is a very strange, strange situation.

So then I actually wanted one more thing about the the Bo Justice Brothers. So obviously there was no then there was no Psycho Sid. There was no like Biko Biko by Bo or something. Now you know, there wasn't Bow. Yeah, yeah, it's a great point. I didn't bother to update, Like when I played with my SID toys, even in ninety six, I was still thinking about Sid Justice in WWF and Sid vicious and ww artists not thinking that Psycho Sid

But a great point. I mean, Hogan, the first Hogan Hasbro had the same body slam motion that the Sid Hasbro had. Yes, but for Hogan it was a body slam, and for Sid it's a power bomb. Yes, and that's problematic to me, Yes it is. It is definitely problematic. There's no there's no question about that. It's but that's what they did.

I mean, and I do believe even that the that the arms are actually the same too, They're the same right arm mold I bet.

I mean, I'm thinking about it. That probably was the best body type for Sid though of all the Hasbro body types.

Uh oh yeah, I think so. I think it would have been. It wouldn't have been as good had you know, I can't imagine another I mean, I guess, yeah, no, not even like one of the I was trying to think of, like in terms of picking up someone in the power bomb with that, you know, with a figure like I suppose you could do it with the with the arm with the spring in it, the spring loaded arm. Yeah, but I still don't think it would have been as

And the reason we thirsted for that Hasbro this run, as short as it was, this run and as much more meaningful to his career accomplishments his ninety six ninety seven, ninety seven run was I was on go ninety eight that to stop myself. This, even though it was much more truncated, you know, was the run that burned him into fans' minds in such a way that he could come back and be an impact player. Yes, in ninety

Yes, it's right.

Let's sit there and you will fold your hands and you will listen while class is in session, and you'll keep your fucking mouth shut. In terms of any other suggestions. Sid, Sid's the fucking teacher, okay in this one. Yeah, exactly. We're going about this tribute show precisely as Sid would go about anything in his life, exactly, dictating all terms at all times and threatening to leave if anybody makes a dank ors.

And also listen, he's keeping a very close eye on the Viennas and.

We will not hesitate to disappear and play softball if you piss us off either, So keep that in mind. But yeah, in terms of the Viennas, I mean people people forget about the Vienna's is that it's it's a quid pro quote system.

You sent my church a case Vienna sausages and I sent him an autograph picture.

Right that on a Sean Moody interview where he gave a shout out to some guy in Pennsylvania, he gives his almost exact address on the air in his full.

Name, such a he sent my church a case of Vienna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture.

A case of Vienna's.

So I think you text if I'm not mistaken, when you texted me a picture of Viennas, that was you in in the supermarket I was in the supermarket. You're not the only person in this position after our part one. Huh, tell him the story. You're not the only person in this position after our part one.

So I'm just I'm walking through the I'm walking through the grocery store and uh and all. And you know, it's like, I never really, I never noticed them before. I never noticed Vienna sausages before at all. But you know, I'm in whatever canned food section that that that the viennas are in, and I'm like, holy shit, look at them all. There's so many. It's a key form of sustidence. I guess it is not my sustenance. But we have these these.

Pop top events at the church. Oh my god, somebody in the solar system, you know, actually found like the church is listing for the food drive, and Sid was constantly referencing his church in Memphis there. It's just amazing that it came down to so many viennas. Still have in my mind that sort of like relief painting of him looking forlornly on a full garage of undelivered viennas at three point thirty in the morning, realizing what this means and what he has to.

Do next, hands and his hips, just staring at them.

Pasture, his hands hanging by his side. Almost, he's almost he's almost christ Like on the cross, you know, with a hung head. You know, the hands aren't up, the hands are down, but the head is similar and that it's kind of bowed and and sort of you.

Know, so depressed, so angry. Yeah, just he's just he just realized, I'm sure of what to do with all these Vienna's.

He's unsure. He just knows that now he's got to really ramp up the pressure to get these now, you know. He he you know, we told himself he wouldn't have to it wouldn't have to come to this, right.

He trusted Frank, He said, my church a case of Vienna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture.

Kind of pissed that we missed the opportunity to get an autograph picture.

That's true. If I if I had known all it took was sending Vienna sausages, I would have I would have done that.

Certainly would have kept him for myself. I can tell you that much package of crackers, ball water. That's how he says it. Oh my God, and the moon pile or oatmeal.

Pie poon, tang pile, the whole fucking thing. Shit.

So the challenge is out. I led with this for a reason. If anybody in the Solar system can find me an isolated clip from WWF television where they refer to him as the revolutionary one or the revolution or even say the word revolutionary about Sid, well we'll figure out some kind of Maybe we'll send you some viennas.

Saying, I thought you actually said to me once that it came from his final WCW run.

That wouldn't make any sense because I was calling him the revolutionary when I was a.

Little kid, no kidding, all right, because I always remember you putting it because he was something having to do with the fact that he was what the millennium man or something like that, he was the millennium man, yep. And then because then I have him, you know, if you remember in my uh I actually started calling Sid in In No Mercy. He you know, I had a a created version of six because they didn't have him in the game, and I listed him as the revolutionary

It was before you were right, when this was still a Commonwealth we still answered to the British crown.

That's right.

Yeah, that that was the UK Glube one, the pre revolutionary one.

That's right. It's exactly what it was.

Just you know, I thought revolutionary. I thought I would stumble upon it. I thought I thought it'd stumble upon a thread I could pull going back through his run for this tribute episode where I could finally isolate where he was called the revolutionary one.

And I couldn't do it. I didn't find it. So we turn it over to I bet it's on some you know, episode of like Superstars or something. Had to be and I felt like it was said. I felt like it was said in a positive tone, So it had to be when he was a Babyface. Yeah, yeah, so there you go.

The gauntlet's been laid down on the on the revolutionary front. As it regards our old pal Sid, We're here to figure out what his career meant. And you know, do what we do here when we lose somebody that's a core memory to the cast of characters that set us on this irretrievable road of wrestling obsession for the rest of our lives. No matter what it is we try to do to to regulate it or mitigate it, we keep coming back to this true north of the Hasbro

I was too.

Well, as you read it, perhaps I'll get familiar taking in I will.

So this is this is the interview. So I'm going to need you to read. Oh, this is one of those Q and as. Yeah, this is a Q and a thing okay, great, Yeah, we still love those. It's so great.

I used to read those with so much intent intent. All right, so they're numbered, I see.

There we go.

Yeah, talk with Sid Justice WWF interview And this again is decemmer to anyone, decemmer to any one at the Survivor series. Sid Justice will have the opportunity to settle this differences with Jake the Snake once and for all. Now I'm going to constantly interrupt myself and interrupt you, as everybody knows, that match didn't happen.

Did not happen? Well yeah, well you know it wasn't supposed to be one on one. It was supposed to be Sid captaining the team of Big boss Man and legiing to Doom against Jake Irwin and the natural Disasters.

And who ended up replacing Sid and said match none. They just they it went down to being a three on three excellent, which is the only time it's ever Tarvisary's history it's been a six man tag instead of an eight or a five man massive. Yeah, as massive as I never knew that either. I never knew that Sid that that that they kind of because he had it was like a he broke his arm or something torn bicep, SID torn by set and he did it. If I'm putting the post pieces together quickly in a

It's not a damn it son of a bitch.

Tore my boss set. But I'm a d H so I can still play softball.

Wait a minute, what do you mean softball?

I'm just I'm just a d H.

D H.

I don't understand what what a d d H? Drivers?

Drivers go ahead? Uh uh what are you gonna say?

Driver? Driver's hymen? Is that what you're saying?

Oh, that's one way to refer to driving school designated to hit?

What I mean to hit?

What? Uh?

Am a softball professional ship? We choose me? You're I don't know about that, but you are immediately he immediately takes that away from him, just like calling j r or whatever somewhat of a journalist.

Can't help get that word in there.

I mean, I know you are a professional entertainer, you know, working for the w w E. But I don't know about this this softball thing. I mean, obviously you're you're injured, but it doesn't and you can go play other childish games.

That doesn't mean you can go play other childish games.

WWE. It's a childish game, right, other right.

In addition to this one said in the Snake are eagerly anticipating this impending pay per view showdown? Do you remember caring about that? Do you remember caring about Sid getting his hands on Jake.

I did no clue at that time. No clue. My fan and forget my fandom started the week before amazing Survivor series, so I had no clue about this whole thing. And how phenomenal is it that we sit here ten years on and in many ways we're re visiting our very first episode in that time period. Yes, that's very true.

Summer Slam ninety one where Sid comes on pay per view for the first time a special referee, and then it's the postmatch scenario where Liz and Randy Savage are having their reception or whatever the hell it was. Yeah, because get married on the show. And then this, you know, Jake sees fit to deliver a snake to them as a wedding president.

And it's Sid right that comes to save the day, uh and help out against the undertaker, and and and Jake.

That's when they obviously still an invited.

Guest of despite being a brand new, brand new to the company, he's an invited guest to the wedding reception of Brandy and Elizabeth.

I wonder if they dared tell us even maybe just once that you know their ties biden quite a bit. Remember from part one it was Sid striking up a conversation with Randy Savage so they could play off that they have some history together. But yeah, I don't think they did. I'm sure they didn't, but there you go. Jake was kind of the setup man to get Sid going as the at the top, as one of the top baby faces in the company. So that's that's an

This River series.

In fact, he told us everything that we and our readers wanted to know about himself. So, without any further ado, WWF Magazine brings you this interview with Sid Justice. Sid, let's talk about the macho man in Miss Elizabeth's ms Dot Miss Elizabeth's wedding reception for a moment, as you recall, Jake the snake crashed the wedding reception and menaced Elizabeth with a venomous Asian cobra. Thank goodness for you. Had it not been for your timely intervention, there is no

Right was gone through my mind. I guess who deserves another man who destroys another man's wedding party must be lower than dung in my mind, and I'm sure in the minds of millions of people Jake Roberts, is that type of man well at the Survivor series. Jake Roberts, you are gonna see what type of man Sit Justice is. You're gonna see what sit Justice stands for.

You.

Lucky, Jake Roberts, You were lucky you left that wedding reception when you did, because Ah was inches away from busting you upen like a million. He looks like I'll get my chance at the Survivor series in a few weeks.

I can't believe the syntax of the sentence. Not what do you think your strategy will be? Instead? What do you think will be your strategy? We listen, We're gonna do it in proper English. What do you think will be your strategy moving forward in the WB and regarding this potential, we have to cut the second half of that for space. I just hope it's okay.

H m hm. Straight ahead, Jake Roberts. I can assure you this off will be coming after you and you only. I don't care about anybody else on your team. You are my only concern. AH will give you the pain that you gave the Macho men, Elizabeth, but I'll give it to you tenfold.

It sounds as if you're out to seek retribution on behalf of the MACHOs?

Are we right behalf of the MACHOs?

It says it man.

Randy Savage is a man of pride. He is a man who values and protects his family. He's a man whom I trust. He's a friend. Unfortunately, because of some bureaucredit garbage coming out of WW President Jack Tunny's offices, he hasn't been reinstated as a WW superstar. That doesn't mean he can't take care of the snake at the present time. Well, that means he can't take care of the snake at the present day. We're live, said, what

That's loyalty. These days, it's rare to see loyalty and real friendship and professional athletics. It seems to us that said justice just maybe cut from a different cloth.

I guess it has to do with my upbringing. You know, I was raised on a farm in West Memphis, Arkansas, by my grandfather, who fortunately was stricken with polio. He taught me many things my grandfather did. He taught me many things my grandfather did. He taught me to respect everyone around me, because that's the best way to get respect. He also taught me to help people who need help. Because of people you help today might be helping you tomorrow. I's a father.

My grandfather knows all about that, because all the livestock he raises and all the vegetables he grows help hungry people survive every day of the week.

Randy Savage needs my help. His wife needs my help. Jake Roberts, Jake Roberts needs a major beating, and you are looking at the man who deliver it. At the Striver Series.

That may very well be the case.

Sid.

However, even you must realize that Roberts is a snake at heart. He's unpredictable, he's untrustworthy. He's the type of man who will feign an injury in the ring and then strike, and then strike when you least expected. At the Survivors Series, he'll be captaining three other athletes. It's possible that he could send his teammates into battle and wait for his chance to cut you down.

Are you aware of this? I'm aware of it, and I'm prepared for it. It's true. Roberts is his snake at heart, and he's capable of anything. Most men would be frightened knowing the fact. But sit justice is the top of man who fears no man said, justice is the top of man through fierce, no snake, Jake Roberts, your sins can never be forgiven by anybody. So, Jake Roberts at the Survivor series, there is only one solution, and that is justice will be served.

We thank you very much for your time.

Sid He Wrestling podcast.

He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and can.

You see It's Real Simple. That's one of his favorites.

See It's real simple.

I like the biographical sketch in there about his father and polio and all that. See, they're trying to get him across as somebody that you know is from humble beginning, somebody who knows right from wrong.

That the thing appreciates justice.

He appreciates justice, the thing Vince, the many things Vince wants to believe about an American hero. Even though the tide was turning as the eighties became the nineties, I believe.

That I am a a living, breathing example of justice being served. Wow you think so?

Doesn't that remain to be seen? What doesn't that remain to be seen?

I am Listen, I am I am just and I am Ice.

That's fucking sick Just plus Ice. Well, I'll tell you. If there's justice in this world, the types of which SID, the types of which SID Justice promised to bring to the World Wrestling Federation in nineteen ninety one, then our good pal Gabe is going to continue, Oh yes, to receive the outpouring of support from the TLF Solar system that thus far.

Are sending you the cover of the magazine to look at Oh God, that is.

Oh look at him.

Look at him.

He looks ready to fucking go.

Oh yeah.

But he's got an intensity in his eyes that doesn't say crazy. It says no, like you don't want to face me down in a saloon somewhere right exactly. You don't want this smoke And he knew how to roll

It is, it really is. It's very uh, it's very exciting.

So there is this, you know you've been hearing from them the t l FX Games event center and Boss, what did you think?

What was that?

What do you think about the latest round?

Oh?

I was I'll tell you, I was very intrigued by that there were two, that there were two battles that were neck and neck for the whole time. You know that it was a Vern and Andre and what should we call it? And uh and Jesse and the editor unreal that was intense and Jesse winning by only like one percent.

Thought we let him in the debates. I mean, you imagine if we didn't let him in the debates, it would have happened. I know, exactly. So really really getting interesting as folks are now really having to decide. You know, we're talking like lapsed canon heart like like folks that you just consider indispensable parts of the rogues gallery of characters that we've created organically over the years on the show. And I can't wait to see who ultimately crowned King

Wonder I see That's what I was saying, you know, we were talking about when we were recording the episode. I do wonder if Vienna's would have would have helped Sid.

Yeah, it's term.

Didn't drop before before it changed.

It certainly appeared that Sid's passing did help him advance in the first round, where he had I believe initially was losing in the polling. As a reminder, by the way, if you don't know we're talking about, if you follow us on exit the lapsed fan, you two will get your chance. We open up the polls for everybody to vote, and we leave it open for a few days and just let the chips fall where they may, match up by matchup, and the surprises are starting to trickle in.

I do I do find it very interesting too that it was Jesse fighting the media. You know, that's what that's what he was doing. He was fighting the media, and I wanted it was probably holding me back the whole damn time, right, you know, I'm shitting here saying, hey, you know what, I'm not only king of the cash, I'm king of the country. It's about time I triumph over the media. It's about damn time I did triumph

Yep, you know there's there's poetry happening here. There is poetry happening. Yes, And we look forward to seeing how it shakes out. Somehow I feel like it. No matter how it shakes out, it's going to shake out just as it should have. Yes, it's going to end up making all the sense in the world when we make the final assessment. But your chance to decide who will

I mean, I imagine that anytime something like this is going on, that he is, you know, he's trying to He's trying to get that, you know, get get get a call in at some point.

Absolutely. I mean, he's the one that's been my finding the facts most closely about not only Vince's outer monologue, not only his public record, but his private inner monologue, his private inner record. And we know this over the years as part of KLFX in This American work and the occasional series were nasaled despite his best efforts. Only occasionally can surface Lapsed Vince for a series of testimonials

I'm scrutiny now I'm being scrutinized. I'm pleasant, I'm content. I'm exactly where I knew I would be, and that is right on top, always end forever. Yeah.

Yeah, if we had the reigns of the Netflix series, you better believe that's what we title. And I have the feeling by all the time, all of a sudden done, Vince will not be taking an l here. Okay, that's not ever where the spark money is. But we're gonna We're gonna find out, and Nasal Gas is on the case.

We're listening to.

Every word, We're observing every turn of phrase, every turn of narrative, and we'll hone in. We'll hone in on the in betweens, We'll hone in the unspoken moments. We'll hone in on the the rushes to judgment, perhaps the leaps of narrow that perhaps you can expect in a series like this, as robust as it appears to be. I think it's going to be like six hours long, but you're going to hear this. It's going to be out there. It's what's everyone's going to be talking about.

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Yes, I will say that there are already by the time this drops, there should be two Vienna shirts added to the catalog.

I mean, people are hitting us up with their own brilliant designs. It's just like this is the thing, this is going to be the thing. I mean, Yeah, you can't talk about Vienna sausages as much as sid did in his you know, I mean in its twilight it's without us grabbing onto it.

It's really what is so what is incredible about it really is the fact that here here is that he talked so passionately about it. Yes, you know, he could have he could have talked about it and just kind of thrown it away, but he he was all about one hundred and fifty thousand pounds of Vienna's nipped cans whatever. He never pounds.

He never talked about helping out his church without specifying the precise cuisine exactly. And that's the kind of thing that's the that's the kind of detail that we don't

Mean sometimes it happens during the show and I'm like, all right, you know what, I got to do this right now, that's as we're recording it. I'll send you a fucking It's not like once or twice and I've sent you like an image fucking it here. Look at this.

Part of that ecosystem I mentioned, part of that virtuous circle, virtuous cycle. Also, you know, if you want to throw a coin in the jukebox and get us to dance for you, Cameo is there for you? Okay, no, yes, hemeo dot com slash lapsed fan, send us your requests, jump in a cannon, have lapsed characters and do things that you think are appropriate or funny, or you know, just have us pass on some well wishes to someone in your life, or have lapsed Vince talk down to

God, that's always the best is when they you know, when they say, hey, you know so and so is celebrating this. Can you tell them what a fucking piece of shit they are? Yes, that's easy, plenty of practice in there, you say, so that's what you want?

Sure, so do do patronize us in more ways than one over on cameo. That's that's very much available to you and and vibrant and again we'll want the call out. We did it last week and I'm just not gonna

Yes, yeah, that can be. That can be uh get a little troubling. So a little troubling, a little trouble.

It just might just takes longer than we appreciate that sometimes to get to get to us. And so you need to know that the time is now. Honestly, the time is now. We've already got We've already got how many like.

Seven or eight.

I think that's a hell of a start. So this is happening, folks. This is not a fucking This isn't some kind of theoretical thing. So the PO box is the lapsed fan seven ten Main Street, South seven one zero me Street, South PO Box one one nine one one nine south Bury s O U T H b U R Y Connecticut zero six four eight eight again zero six four eight eight. Do get in the queue.

Whatever the movie is.

We're in the middle of the Bond journey, but Boss tell them about the sort of detour will be taking and how the rest of the year is going to shape out.

Under the cinema. Yes, as as I mentioned before, you know we were in the middle. We're actually at a great stopping point for now on the Bond journey because of the way that the final leg of the journey is its own. It's its own journey in a way, you know, it's its own journey, and so it's a it's a it's a good place to kind of reuh, you know, kind of regroup a little bit, take a moment and focus on some other things, and then come

In November and finish that up just in time for Christmas movie season exactly, exact right to our point about holiday themes exactly, I have to say, you know, as much Christmas and Halloween or whatever, you know, Fourth of July, whatever the holiday is themed content we've done on the main show over the past ten years, I feel the most inner warmth when I sit down for an Under

It really, you know, it's it does the same thing for me, Like, you know, when I start looking at the movies that that that that I've chosen for the seasons, it just it really does that there's something about it. I'm like, oh, this is so great, Like I get all tingly and no different with this. I'm then we get it. We get some some real heavy hitters. So I'm excited to I'm excited to thrust that upon you. Are you kidding me?

I mean scary movies that is truly the dominion of the pro wrestler when one totally is he tries to make the transition to Hollywood. I mean, we talked about when we did Halloween, the Michael Myers character influencing so many rest of characters from King all the way down, and just so much to chew on.

There.

We're sitting here talking about a sid who I don't know exactly if you'd call the Mad Mac series, the Thunderdome stuff scary movies, but they're certainly, you know, there are certainly characters created in the vein of fucking you know, superkillers basically. Sure, So it's all there. I mean, these bookers from our these bookers that put the wrestling out there that we absorbed and remember so fondly we're watching movies to get inspiration.

They're very absorbed into pop culture and what was going on in Hollywood.

We're gonna get through this utter of the cinemat format a chance to talk about all of them over the years, and definitely definitely a time to lean in, you know, because you're gonna get the end of the Bond journey, you're gonna get scary movie season, you're gonna get Christmas movie season. It's where UTC really thrives and goes absolutely nuts. So you want to absolutely consider joining if you're on

Mean it was well, no, it was, I mean it was done. I mean, I guess partially on a lark.

It was.

It was a scary movie, you know, so it's kind of fitting in a way. It was an awful horror film and Sid is in it. And there actually was a feature on Sid getting his makeup done because he plays a monster. Yes, so it's called River of Darkness and he plays Jonah Jacobs. And this is when he did way after his wrestling career was over. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean this was came out in twenty eleven.

So we've done it. We did it years ago under the Cinemat.

R two years ago. Actually two years ago.

We did it, but to give you a sampling as we're you know, as every now and then we're inspired to do. Remember, we did uh, we brought forward Rocky three when we did the Terry Funk tribute because of the role that he at Paradise Alley. You know where Terry Funk is actually in it Rocky three. He plays a role in the lore around how Holt Colgan ultimately

I did not know that.

I don't remember if we talked about that. I don't think so, I don't think I knew that, but yeah, he's talked about it. He pretty much was like Chilly on the idea. He was never really enthusiastic about getting into two movies and he was under the I think there was kind of a thing where he's got a story where because his wrestling obligations were going to be such that the office would kind of sour on losing

I can't believe it. I really cannot believe it. I get so excited when I see It's like I drive by someone's lawn, you know, on one day, and then you know the next day it's completely littered with Halloween decorations. I'm so fucking excited.

That's a long time coming. And we're gonna we're gonna ring it inappropriately here as we always do with TLF. And finally on the support front, I mean, it makes a ton of sense if we're talking about a SID who came in and epitomized what it meant to be Titan sports in nineteen ninety one. If we're talking about SID who's wwa first run kind of ended under the haze and cloud of you know, it increased Titan wellness policy. You know, if we're talking about wellness, we're talking about Titan.

Fan Wrestling podcast, he's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and Jpro.

Would that dispensed with? Where did we leave sid Well? We left him making a decision, Uh, do I sign this guaranteed contract with WCW with promises of a world title run or do I take this nagging thing from Vince of like this is going to be my only opportunity to have this spot the number one spot in professional wrestling.

Now.

Of course, what Vince McMahon does and doesn't mean when he makes these representations vis a vis Hulk Cogan spot is up for debate and an interpretation.

I mean right, I mean their money. Oh, I can offer this opportunity pill and we're just talking about an opportunity to eventually obtain a spot similar to Hulk Hogan.

Right.

You know there have been many there, We've you've taken chances on a multitude of individuals who have either succeeded in their own way or perhaps uh not succeeded in their own way. And you know, we're always we're always looking to maintain a you know, a caliber a caliber of caliber of competitor right to to you know, potentially lead the way into the future of the WWE and at the same time, you know, lead but not you know, lead but fall pretty far behind Hulk Hogan.

Okay, sounds appetizing. I'm I'm doubly sold now, Vinz, thanks for the extrapolation. But yeah, I mean because Sid just came up with this thing of like, oh my god, if w CW is offering this much money right now, this is an opportunity for me to see what Vince would say if I put myself out there and and he just says, I want Hogan spot. It's similar to when Brett wanted to come at WCW and he said,

I want I want Hulk Coogan spot. I see that's a very interesting proposition for yourself.

I do you sound like a yes?

Are you referring to? Just what spot? Are you referring to? I want this spot?

Well, I am you mean you mean the leg drop?

Do you mean? Do you mean? Do you mean his his parking spot tightened hours? Is that I can do that?

That that?

I don't think there'll be much of a problem. I want a spot on the card, my birthday card. Yes, that's fine too, I will I will make that happen. You can have where he would sign it. You can have his spot.

Can you imagine he pulls up to the tower for the meeting to sign the contract, and there's a sign in the parking lot with Hulk Hogan's name on it, crossed out with Sid over Teltreppel. I'm a man of my wordy, you have whole Hogan spot.

I'm pleased.

I hope you are too, Because he said Sid. You know Sid says Vince flew him out immediately upon expressing interest immediately. And god, can you imagine being a Titan Towers the day Sid walks through the front door for the first time. Oh my god, the buzz that creates it be insane just to be in the in the confines because you know they've moved offices, but that old Titan Tower, man, it was in a kind of like a residential neighborhood, like you could just like, yeah, you

Yeah, I don't know. Ian that does sound interesting.

It's interesting cause I don't know how you cast both guys necessarily.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's that's kind of that is hard. But I'm intrigued by that. I'm intrigued by a Rude and Sid program.

Yep, absolutely.

So.

Yeah as the baby face So Rick Rud babyface runs I think was the idea. And you know, so Dusty's putting the pressure. He's like, I want you to have a brand new contract. I want you to be here for four years, five years something like that. At the time, he was on like a one or two year year deal, and so they came up with the figure. And you know, he he had heard Sid has said and shooting interviews.

Yeah, I can't agree with I agree with that.

So you can as ludicrous as it might sound at first, that Sid was offered the Hogan spot, so to speak, or was led to believe that the Hogan spot was open to him by Vince, I can see if if it was concrete that Hogan was going to disappear for six months for the first time since you know, ho Comania started, really that kind of a prolonged disappearance, and you can kind of see how someone could be convinced

We know this.

So it's like.

It's hard to remember what a weird headspace they were in. Is it regards that spot in ninety two and as it regards Hogan in ninety two. Yeah, with that open ended question about when he'd come back, So he's he's thinking about this, and he you know, knows that that's a big money opportunity. He'd never talked to Vince up to that point. Says maybe I should give him a call. So I called him. He put him right through, told him what was going on. Would you fly in tomorrow?

Sure?

Uh?

So he went over there. I told him what I wanted. I can't promise that, Yeah, just like just like Vince can't promise an annual salary pal. What's funny that it's funny Bell, you can't promise. You can't promise you'll be here. I can't promise anything but opportunity.

I can't. I can't promise that you'll have a job ever. Again, I can't wait to come to work for him. How does that feel? Exactly? Where? Fuck with me? Exactly?

How does that feel? That's the opening conversation between Vince and Sid. Sid probably should have taken a hint at that point. No, how does that feel? But you know, he's like he's looking at with the exception of when he first broke in and was scraping by, he's looking at a business that he's only non guaranteed money in the WP contract was guaranteed, whether he was hurt or not.

But you know he was able to say that, Look, I don't believe in guarantees. Why is that promises? I don't believe in guarantees.

I believe in promises. You, however, should not believe in my promises.

You should believe in my guarantees which are nil, which are not you know, they're not necessarily reliable, but you should believe in them.

By the way, there goes that word again.

Yes, mother.

So so Vince isn't, you know, budging on that front. So for Sid, it's it's a gamble. But when you talk about the Hogan spot, it pencils out. It's like, okay, well, what I mean is that Hogan made this much for WrestleMania, he made this much for merch. And it's like, if Sid is convincing himself that he can do as great a job as Hulk did, he's convincing himself he can make as much money as Hulk did. Of Course, Vince, if I can editorialize here, Vince knows that's not true.

Could you know, and uh, maybe someday get arrested.

It's not gonna happen, but as possible, I get indicted one day, I.

Could get indicted. I can get indicted, maybe multiple times.

Us.

I'll get off at home and in the legal.

Platform, at home and in the legal platform, at the legal arena, at the legal category. It's just another platform to fence and Nadie McMahon. So yeah, that's what I can offer. And so Sid's like fuck that, I'll take guaranteed money, thanks, but no thanks. And he's getting all dressed up to go to the WW offices living near Atlanta to sign the contract, and according to him, Vince calls again. His wife picks up as he's in the driveway.

And it happened, didn't it. I can't do not or or admit to anything.

Here's the magic wand he said, Vince told him, what do you want? So he says, Hogan, spot and we go from there. I see, And as he said, you know, he walked away from seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars guaranteed in WCW when you put all the value of all the contracts together. So he's coming into WWF with that level of expectation that if he doesn't exceed that level of earnings, to his mind and the way he thinks about the business, he's made a huge mistake. So

How can you pleasure me?

That's how the contract were.

Listen said, I'm in the business of.

Go ahead, say it.

I'm in the business of pleasure, and I need to know before I offer you anything. How are you going to pleasure.

What?

He needs to know this. He needs to know this before he offers him anything, as if what he's willing to do to please Vince isn't in direct correlation to how much he's willing he's going to make. You know, So you mean for zero dollars, what am I willing to do for you? Is that the question?

Nothing?

Well, you tell me right, not what most say, Pal. I follow your logic, Pal, but that's not what most say when I put that proposition to them. I tell you those that have strong answers to that questions are working here making very good money.

Right now, I've had a numerous pleasure you know, pleasure positive experiences.

And here I am thinking PPE stood for personally protective equipment.

Where do you come up with this ship?

I swear to God's pleasure positive experiences, He's in the pleasure of business.

Are you fucking kidding to say?

And you can picture said like basically short circuit and you're trying to process what all these code words mean.

No, no clue. Look, I just want to wrestle.

That's what you want to do. That's your side on what I want to receive. I just want to wrestle. That's what you want to do. That's not what I want to receive. What what do you want to receive.

Of?

It's good you're you're so certain, right. If you know what you don't want to receive, that must mean you know what you do want to receive.

Listen again, you know the the the the ability to compete in the ring is something that you offer. But in reception, I need something that is a little more ethereal than ahead ethereal. And what else is I just? I need, you know, I need. I need something that kind of expands my mind, expands my my sensory.

The fuck, oh my god. I never know what this guy's gonna say.

Because I can hire any I can't. I can bring any any schmuck in here and say go ahead and wrestle. But I need, you know, what do I get in this in this venture?

He's thinking to himself, what does this guy want me to say? For Christ's sake, It's like because now now it's too late. Now you can't go back to Dusty. So it's like, now, Vince, like wait a minute, let's really talk here.

And and you know, I need to know exactly how you are going to give me pleasure. I am a pleasure receptor and I require your services.

It's like an androgen receptor, like the It's what the steroids attached to. Oh my god, I mean, what what do you want? Like you want to you wanna have like it's not kind of what happens if you want to go, we can go. We haven't seen the doc yet.

I mean, you know, listen, it's just no behavior.

We haven't seen the doc yet. And I'm not talking about Carlin Kolker.

Okay, So.

All right, Well they go back and forth and Sid says the deal is this that he's going to come in and they're gonna do something they've never done before. All Sid is going to do for the first year is TV's and pay per views. And remember this is before Raw. This is you know, that's not much at all. You got a couple of TV tapings basically, and worked a big pay per view and you know, he does have to go on the road.

That that was what he says.

Sid says was his understanding about the terms of his arrival, and it was kind of Vince's idea of how to really accentuate and get Sid ready for a position of that magnitude, and so he was all about that. And he says after WrestleMania like basically WrestleMania. According to Sid, and this lines up with what Dave Meltzer has said and what others have said over the years, WrestleMania is going to be WrestleMania eight is going to be where you're crowned. Now, when I say crowned, do I necessarily

They might hear that.

And we know, you know from Brett Hart's story about getting the Winter holl Cog and how when you actually get everyone in a room, Vince will go back on what you thought you heard about his promises.

I didn't say you will. I said, you know, it's a possibility, right, I can see you a very good possibility that you will someday main event a WrestleMania type event.

All I said said is I can see you having WrestleMania as your crowning moment.

I can. I can see you at a WrestleMania esque event. Not in necesscessarily, he's not even promising wrestle Mania, you know, a main event of sorts. But you know these are these are neither here nor there right at this point.

Well, this is a Sid who was so incapable of remembering the name of the pay per view when he's cutting promos for it that, according to him, they had to put a sign up and say, just tell Sid to say Mania. Oh my god, is he saying wrestling Mania? Wherever else he's saying no.

Yeah, god damn it. Said, what are you saying out there? I'm seeing wrestling Mania. That's what I thought. You said, It's just wrestle Mania. It's not wrestling Mania. Why the fuck would I name my show? I want to name anything wrestling Mania? What do you think this is? I think it's gonna be the colossal tussle. You bitch.

Oh shit, I can feel that hand warming up. It's not gonna fly yet, but it's warming up. That's the first time Vince felt a tingle in his palm.

A bitch, I will not answer that question. Oh yes, you will. No, I will not. You don't know what.

Instead of saying no, he says, I'm not going to answer that question. This is going to be a battle and a showdown of two Titanic wits, these two over the years. I have the feeling and something tells me Sid is not going to accept defeat, no matter how clearly Evince comes out the victor and all of their dealings.

But but you're.

Purposely not putting me on the road enough to earn anything, well, I mean anything substantial.

I'm not I'm not doing anything. You're doing that to yourself. I'm offering you an opportunity, but.

You're kind of not because you're not putting on the road to earn money night after.

You Because I can't guarantee you anything, I can't guarantee you're going to get this, but I can guarantee you one thing. You will have an opportunity.

See here, Sid at WWF, the real money is made by going out there night after night and performing up to the fans expectations and building your market value with the fans. You have a chance to do that night after night here towf and get paid in accordance with that effort. However, I am not going to put you on ninety percent of those shows. And Sid's like, where do I sign? But he comes back and says, where am I going to get paid? Like, you know, like literally,

He really doesn't.

They really just start using him on Superstars tapings, as we'll get to, so perhaps early glimpses of that really being Vince's plan, but ultimately at the end of it, you know, he's looking at a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars potential haul from WCW and he said, I never made that kind of money in WWF. I made good money, but he didn't make that much. And he said he made one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for

Never forget that.

A twenty eighth nineteen ninety one Superstars taping, sid Udy walks into a WWF arena for the first time, Boss May.

I'm ninety one. Can we deal with this? I can't. I can't.

He attacks me.

He's supposed to just debut at SummerSlam.

Phenomenal. The thing about this, So it's in Tucson, Arizona. They're taping television, and they don't tape this for television, but it is a TV taping. The Mounie is out there, and what he do is come out and like do an open challenge. They do this with all kinds of heels, not just the Mounie, and Sid came out for the first time. Imagine being at this show and fucking Sid from WW watch the curtain to answer the call.

I'd be wild.

So he gets in there, apparently and just clears the Mouni from the ring. According to well you know what's known of what happened on this show? As I said, well, it took place into television taping, it wasn't taped for television, it never aired. And then on the June eighth episode in nineteen ninety one of Primetime Wrestling, we start getting vignettes promoting Sid's debut.

It's the last fan wrestling podcast.

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So he's in he's in the inner sanctum now and he's you know, learning the ways of WWF. And one of the first things he becomes acquainted with is the you know, Vince McMahon's inner circle, his cronies Patterson, all the way on down. And in an interview with the In Your Head podcast, Sid talks about one particular interaction with Vince's Lieutenant Pat Patterson that kind of gave him a feeling that he's going to be along for quite a ride here under the auspices of Titan Sports.

Now, Jim Barnett, you never would have known Pat was a little more so you know where again, you know, I remember how was It was my first show with the w w F, and I was brought in just to see how the show runs, and somehow ended up in the call with Pat and Vince and uh JJ Dillon and Howard Finkel and Pat asked if how one that come out watch lightning with him and Vance I said, no, I don't want to come out and watch fucking lightning with you guys. He grabbed me in a waist lock

So Pat welcoming in to the table. Uh, yeah, there was a little over there.

You keep your baseball bat in your pants.

Now, what he doesn't understand is that when Pat said, do you want to come out and watch the lightning, there's a comma between out and end. Uh and no, Sid is not going to come out, Pat. But I guess they were going to like stand on the balcony of the hotel and watch a lightning storm, and Sid was not about that. Welcome to the WWF right, So these vignettes start showing his face. Have you do you remember these ever seen?

Come in here? What's a boss? I just want to just, you know, we get to sit now. I want to kind of feel him out. He's a big motherfucker. He's a big motherfucker. You damn right. I'm just curious about him on a personal level. Want to try to fucking I thought that was your job, boss, I mean, didn't you know. I mean, I'll fucking financially. Don't worry about that. I want you to try to fornicate with him, have sexual relations with him, and see what happens.

Oh, Boss, you know about about it, But I I don't think it's gonna end up too well for you. I'dea, it's a big he's a big bastard. I don't know if he if he's not up for it, A fearful well, it's just you don't have to do it.

Just kind of, you know, feel him out of for it, you know, just I just want to know if, if you know where in what capacity justice will be served. Describe a waistlock in the hotel lobby. Will you pell see how he reacts to that? What I'm doing?

It's not funny.

Oh we're just playing around, big Sid. Is that being a good joke? You want to come watch the lightnings? Don't watch lightning? It scares me.

She Sid declines the offer, goes into his hotel room, pulls the covers up to his chin, and just shudders with fear like a dog every time the lightning goes off, and then goes hats on the balcony with a high ball. Oh wow, that that's an impressive one right there. I mean, I, oh, well for you pretty amazing. But Vince has his glasses like he's he's working at the desk near the near the balcony.

Yeah, with like a with one little desk lamp. Yeah, it's great lightnings and such stuff there. Nature at his best. He would say something, Dylan's sitting on the bad like like reading a reading Playboy or something. Yeah, yeah, Pat, you just enjoy that lightning storm, watched nature to ejaculate all over the fucking country whatever it was. If we need that more of that, more of nature's scene.

Oh then you got what Oh but you got to come see it. This is it's funny about them. I got a cop.

See.

He's like, all right, oh godcha.

I've seen I've seen all I need to see of nature and all of it's some stormic activity.

Oh my god.

You know.

And they were in they're in Florida. And it became it became tough after nineteen ninety two because when he had you know what, he asked people if they want to go watch the lightning in Tampa. They thought they met the hockey team, you know. But so there he is said, trembling trembling at the thought, now do you remember these vignettes that first started introducing him to or how they went about it there.

I wasn't watching yet. I had no clue when I when I when I started watching all I you know, I harded hearing about this guy and I was like, who the fuck is this Sid? Like, right, he doesn't have a has Bro you know, my my roster, and I, you know, it's true, the roster that I was familiar with were whoever was whoever had a halfbro figure makes

And this is at a time when you know, certainly there'd be WCW fans that would recognize him. But this is not at a time where you came in, you know, to WWF and most of the fans knew who you were ahead of time. So they could really mold this clay in terms of how fans would perceive Sid coming in the door without a ton of context. And so here's a sample of how it starts to sound on primetime and we'll we'll dig into this a little more as we got any.

Launch.

Stay are shitty, got three and seventeen pounds, six foot nine.

Justice can do anything he wants to.

Sid Justice.

He's just the man I've been looking for.

With your size and intensity, you're a prime candidate for my chief tax collector.

And you know what that means, you.

Tax cheats out there wouldn't be able to cheat one more day, Bobby he In.

The mystery continues to grow concerning this.

New arrival here in the World Wrestling Federation.

Sid Justice, Well, I know Jimmy Hart and Sessational Sherry and coach, and I know some of the people are are we really looking forward to signing this guy up?

But well, perhaps he doesn't want a manager.

I don't know.

Perhaps he's on his own.

Big as he is, he can be on his own, he can be alone.

So there's all that booing, I sort of think that it was Skinner coming down. Yeah, that's probably got it from. Honestly, I watched a Prime Time where Skinner was on and all I heard was booing when they went back to the studio. But that's pretty fucking intriguing for the time. I want to know what this guy's about. After that.

Of course, Roddy Piper at ir S there on those pre tapes, and Sean Mooney and Bobby Heenan inside the Primetime wrestling studio where they filmed it, filled it rather with Titan employees to cheer or jeer as appropriate. So that's how we started hearing about this Sid And you heard that music, man, that's that's some like scary music there.

It is.

It's definite thing that I would be I was expecting.

So we go forward to July and as these things are airing on WWF Television WWF Tapes TV at the Saddle Dome in Calgary, and what this is is Sid's very first w w F. The aforementioned appearances were him running out when a heel issues a challenge in clearing the ring, not having a bona fide matchup, and do you know what's great about this match?

Boss?

They released it on the WWE unreleased DVD set Get Out of Here? Are you prepared to watch Sid's very first WWF match? No talk about and while I prepare, this your earliest memory of him in the ring, Like, what do you remember him doing in the ring?

I'm trying to remember it now. I imagine that I saw him. I imagine that it's funny. So I imagine that I must have seen him on All American Wrestling at some point, because that's pretty much all I was watching during late ninety one was All American Wrestling. So I imagine he must have wrestled at some point on there, But honestly, the first real memory I have of him in the ring is that that I can concretely remember

So you really had no conception of Sid as a babyface. You really just learned of him very It.

Was very little. Like I mean again, I was watching, and so I knew who he was, and I must have seen him wrestle against the Jobber. I must have, because I'm sure he was doing it fairly regularly, given that he was still so fresh, you know, but I I didn't really know. I certainly didn't know about any affiliation with Hogan or really this much about this uh, this Jake Roberts thing either, right, But you know, I knew he was a baby face. I knew he was a good guy, and I knew by February that he

Open that little link I just dropped in your email box there, and we're about to watch and it's available on YouTube, isolated from the aforementioned unreleased set that came out with It's like a three disc set with a bunch of matches that are just historical curiosities. Yeah, they had Sean Mooney and Charlie Caruso. I think do the stuff in studio, not between the matches. But here it is,

Ball, left pointed to the ring license, nice and all.

Sure by the sensations sixty pounds making old jacket, I guess he was as.

The pairs.

Million dollars of tad do be awfi you.

Can hear my audio pops.

Yes, where Mike McGirk.

And his opponents for the first time.

Weighing a three hundred and eighteen pounds. I'm hailing from any place.

He wants to make Jess said.

Justice all music. I can hit him tower above the people, and he's over the hid.

Everybody in waw wrestling rating, they notice what man they're what they man?

The man is aid Justice.

So I was doing that whole short monologue to the cameo from the very beginner. Yet and he's got red trunks. Wow oo, I sure he doesn't let it ok, that's got rass on it. Put of the distractions. The dibios can kick it off for the fetal accident and learn also set So I invite to look at sid as a face.

Here.

This is this is the most unvarnished.

Like a few week I get to my parents for sEH. It's it's faster than they put him against Ted dibiosiste.

Yeah that says a lot too.

Yeah, okay, well established of course reverse the ropitep. That's hilariot. It's one of the abs.

And Ted's pumping for him like you would a big time to anything yep. And sixteen the floor goes tap and so he's screaming like he's a big ten day before. It's funny because say Ted as a podcast and co host friend said died bid an episode of course, said, is a snapshot happen And they try trying to get Ted to talk about this match, and they kind of, you know, if it was simple like the Devins had trust and tend to figure out if sid was in

A minute of this match said, uh gets table to big a time of trap. Yes, it's over at the top of the floor. Then I take it together show the imagine being his uh you know, being his coach hos time on the show and like you know, you're pulled building your whole show around Ted talking about this.

Match, no fucking number round and as it so fucking the totally run down. But I'm sure there is.

Something to do.

I'm sure Vince parried him in his first aunt to do the gunner and I do the asses. Yeah, sure, see I never conn a little at a million bucks. Yeah, if you can ever put ants up into asso and you're not gonna have the knife Ted picking them up and dragon and said to the floor. It's just wild this, he said, selling like this, like kicking the chops. It's almost like they want to see the full rings that that you.

Can do it?

Yeah, already, then pushing some tools wake.

They also trust to one set of the post, so pushes any from the floor and he also takes it on the shower and the red truck trag flat tray. That tchabout that?

I screaming, he says. The rod here are by a show can hide that drop? How about sid paar enough background and the drop to me, I love that.

That's it. That's just thing I thought for the new arms, and we started doing as old as.

The skyscraper days to put the crowd on the side.

Very sid oh the.

Loaded hers shows a purse, tell him.

And that's why jesus you get up there. I havn't said did Clinton take fully black bunks try to show that he's he's a team play. Would him takes high bus for you can't take me be awesome?

It probably is exquesting that if I want to be a baby face, you need to see what it looks like for yourself.

Jesus fucking flu you doing a big times if I believe that you love Jesus girl.

Power to kick out. I look at the traps on Sid.

Look at it, look big traps there you strang?

What?

Yes?

He did the fist drop Sid set up.

I gotta talking about ah and this one he doesn't really he's dead. I used to love how said he used to sell just emotions.

I am.

I am not going to suggest winning sed.

I don't know.

I wasn't expecting. He just fucking fell light flat back and said, shown who can take a vertical sup.

Life to kill.

Though. I haven't really got to teach to call.

And inter way war for her rights.

I just want to kind of see what you can do.

You're gonna kind of lose, and you're able.

You're arsenal. You're allowed to portray him entertainment stand part and were being entertain right now, said Hits it takes a thin body snag from Tobasso falls off the middle right with that back of their attacks. It's stupid. This is a stupid way.

It said, catches an inner right hand. Oh goes off that fucking face because big white hands come on the DBS and buckle Si with the stinger splash. Who ever saw that from him?

That was like, you know, almost a Stiller splash, but he kind of shoulder first and lag deep stir in.

The next to second attack on the right guns one times there gets said Basco man that a repining verdict takes off for the double acid on the back of the head. Those golden curls of said justice ship looks up the garnish with big ten reversal by Sid who we got here, we are, here, we go where we go power bomb and they know.

He falls with it to the knee, stucks him up.

It's over.

Who as a sheet.

All music.

Either's people raising hulk hogn videos. That's kind of.

Imagine going home from the saddle down that night and be like, yes, Sid was there and he fucking beat Dbasi with no problem.

Unreal.

I mean, maybe they came out with this because there was a period of time where I wasn't paying very close attention to WWDVD releases. Maybe they came out with this and I don't know, but where is the DVD with everyone's everyone who matters first match?

You know what I mean? Man? They should do that.

That'd be tremendous, at least their first televised match, their first first match taped, because I'm you know, not everybody starts on a TV taping like this, though I bet a lot more do than you would think that matter that who he would care to see their first WWF match on? But there should be a release. I mean seven discs. I don't care of everyone who's ever mattered the first match they've ever had on tape for WWF. Get to work, folks.

Where is it?

Yeah?

Right, get it out? Put it on peacock Like, what the fuck are you waiting for? Put ads in there, programmatic ads each match. Let's make some money here and let's give the people. Let's finally realize the promise.

Of the vault.

Do you know what I'm saying exactly? This is a tantalizing glimpse, this unreleased matches thing of what they could do. But it's just like a grab bag of different matches that you know, you might be curious about that never saw air, and this is a great example of it.

So I think that'd be an amazing DVD set to just have all, like a number of people's first WWE matches.

And it'd be so much sweeter too, if it's like this one where there's no commentary and you just get to hear the crowd's organic reactions seeing this character for the first time. Amazing, amazing stuff. So so fortunate that this came out, you know, and that we weren't toasting Sid before we got a chance to see a match like this. Yeah, that's been one of the magic of TLFX.

Man.

As we've gone, it's become more and more sensible to look back on careers because more and more material has come out. It's just like, the access to stuff like this that we had to just imagine in our heads before is it's just amazing. So he continues on the loop that again was July eighth of nineteen ninety one. He turns around works July ninth, nineteen ninety one, a TV taping in Edmonton defeating the Warlord does Sid justice again?

Wow.

And he made his WWF television debut on the July twentieth episode of Superstars of Wrestling, and it just goes from there. Now, what we're about to watch is a series.

SummerSlam.

Yeah, so you got to get him positioned as the special guest referee, and you know things are on the skids with Warrior and WWF, so I'm sure Vince is starting to have a wandering eye as far as you know. If if we don't have much time left with the Warrior because he's such a pain in the ass, how am I going to position the next baby face to get the hulk Hogan rub?

How can I get Sid to be the next Hulk Hogan? Wait?

What?

Who's the next hull Hogan brother? What do you mean, dude? Who's the heck hul Hogan brother? Terry?

I just felt obliged to call you. I just got off the phone with Sid from ww and he had one He had one wish. I said, you know, here's the magic wand and well, what do you want?

Right?

I want to see what he'd come up with? And I want to run a by your pal. He said he wants Hogan spot.

What do you mean by that? Brother? I said, said, what do you want? And he said, I want huld Cogan spot? And I said, all right, you got it. How do you feel about that, Terry? What do you mean by how I feel? It's gone? Dallest thing back, dude, For a moment, It's kind of like whoa dude, and I kind of jumped ahead, Brother kind of came, you know, kind of jumped the gun and the whole thing. Dude, who are you talking about? Brother, I'm talking about Sid said so Justice the next hult Cogan, h U who

I'm sorry, dude. I'm in a little bit of a state of shock right now.

I gotta say, dude, I'm taking a back Brother, and I'm kind of like, you know, kind of replay kind.

Of I'm waiting for you to like laugh or like you know, just say you're you're you're ribbing me and you're not doing that.

I'm kind of replaying the last like seven years in my mind, dude, at at a kind of drastic pace. I was kind of understanding, dude, dude, where does Sid kind of you know the equation? Brother, I'm not really kind of digging this kind of creative move, Dude.

I've seen him. He's Jack Brother, looks like a million bucks dude, but you told him he could have my spot?

Like what I mean, well, how do we know what you're going on? Hiatus? And uh, you know you gotta leave you know, steroids and all that ship. We gotta, we gotta let you go. I said, he can be. You can take the Hulk Hogan spot. What do you mean by that, brother, Well, I mean you go and the next day and you know, we introduce Hulk Hogan and said, Justice, what you're gonna be Hulk Cogan. Dude, well, he's not gonna be Terry Blea. He's gonna be We're gonna be.

We thought for a second, okay, well I'm not as weird as I was, because at first, brother, I thought you meant you were gonna put yellow trunks on him and call him Hulk Hogan. I mean, that's my spot. I mean, hmm, it's sound like you're above doing it with sit and diesel. I mean with a razor and diesel. I'm gonna he's gonna he's gonna come down. So right now, he said, Justice, Right, I get it. So you know you're gonna go, You're gonna go take your hiatus after WrestleMania,

I don't.

I'm just gonna little m I don't know. Can you plan a you could you just kind of go step by step? Brother? What is it? How are you bookings? Need to understand? Like what am I kind of like? What am I am? I putting my my my gimmick on the line. Dude? Is that what I mean?

I'm the red and yellow.

Ye.

You're saying he's gonna have yellow trunks. No, Terry, He's gonna have red trunks, red trunks.

He's going to be brother of the the the the other whole Cogan.

What what.

What do you mean? What what what other Hull Cogan is gonna be the you know whole Cogan number two brother? Like Invader number two.

You know Assassin number two. You know we always wrestling to.

What do you what do you have there? And they get you know, number one number two, you get the Mass Superstar number one, you have Mass super Terry.

Come on, come on, you know Tim Woods, right, mister wrestling too in Atlanta?

What you know what Woods? Dude?

What a tremendous.

Mark.

What I'm trying to say in our business, Terry, there's a rich heritage of number twos. We believe in number two, no matter where it lands, no matter who's facing. And I'll tell you, we believe in number two. And I'm a big fan of number two. So we're gonna we're gonna, you know, he's so so yes, he'll be hul Cogan number two, and then he's gonna become hul Covid number one after you're gone. Instead of mister wrestling too, we're

Then and then you come back. But eventually he's going to become mister Hulk Hogan one. And then you come back and you're mister mister Hulk Covid number two, and Rocks are gonna call you Hulk dookie. What's going on, dude, I'm kind of are you ribbing me?

Brother?

I'm in his I feel like I'm getting April? All right? Are we talking double ribs? Dude? Well, brother, I'll just what's next the ribs? Dude? Are we there? Are we there? Exactly?

Are we at the point of double ribs? Are we at the point of meta ribs?

Brother? What's next? Interested we can go out? There's a barbecue place where you can go do we can get double ribs? If that's what you're feeling, dude, I'm are you double ribbing me? Brother?

What's next? Like Doukie house a m D Brother?

I mean, what do you want me to fucking doctor? Dude? Is that what I'm doctor? Doctor? Doukie? Dude? Well, I mean, Terry's not a bad idea, brother, I've.

Been here a long time.

Dude.

Made you a lot of money, brother, and you made me a lot of money to it. I'm forever appreciative, brother. But to have this bullshit of Hulk Hogan number two come in, brother, and you're gonna actually call him that? I mean this, this dude's big, but he's no Hulk Hogan, brother, and he's definitely no hul Hogan number two.

Here's the thing, Terry, I mean, how do we know he's on a hul COVID?

What that was?

Immediate?

Terry?

How do we know he's out a hull COVID. What let me get a sentence out first, pal, here's a box.

I'm here, not done speaking, Terry, you just gotta wait till.

What Look, here's some schematics. We've drown up here, sit on a box of wheaties.

Look what we've done is we've done We've we've kind of done a a A A an image alteration and we've looked like we've seen what sid you know, mister Hulk Hogan too would look like on the cover of Sports Illustrated, the same one. Oh yeah, we're gonna put this out there. We're gonna, you know, after your take your hiatus because of your you know, you're misuse of steroids, We're gonna bring in problem and so I'll have a problem, dude. I'm I'm what do you mean a problem? I'm dude.

And we're gonna bring in someone in your stead that definitely doesn't use steroids and said.

Well we know for a fact that terror that that that that Terry Too said, Terry Udy, what what you mean, Terry Youdy Doe, what's that mean?

Brother?

Terry Justice?

What picture of the has Bro. Okay, the said Justice has Bro. But instead of Suggestice Terry Justice, Terrence Justice, we're talking Terrence Mania.

What I love that. I mean, Terrence, where are we going? Dude? What's the game plan?

He starts like just basically reverting to this like game plan, game plan, like that's that's that's his emergency button, like what he feels under siege, Like what's the plan? What's the game plan? Like, I need to see the game plan?

Brother?

I mean, I mean, you know, Terry, you wanted to You wanted to go and and and make movies. Brother, you told me I couldn't. You said how to get off the fucking juice? Dude, Terry, you know you have your own problems with drugs. You're a drug addict. Jesus Christ, Vince.

You you're breaking my heart.

Brother. Brother, I'm a mean dude. We've we've done ship together. Brother. That's how I know, Well, that's how I know you're an addict because I know what I have done, and I know what I'm capable of, and I know that I'm it's impossible for me to be an addict. You you are a completely addicted you know drug.

You can I can I not leave unremarked upon what we've just sketched out here. If I'm reading this ride the guy we just saw work Teddy b Assi in his first w F match, Sid Justice is going to go on to the point where Hulk exits stage right and he takes the center stage as the new Hulk Hogan, and his name is going to be Terrence Justice. He changes his name from Sid to Terrence when it's time to be the top guy, Terrence Justice.

He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast.

He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and m JP Sorow.

I mean, you could do Hulk Justice and that makes you feel better?

Bro?

What you know?

I don't.

Can I talk to him? Brother? Can I talk to this Hulk Justice? Dude? Uh no, Terry, that's not really ethical?

What uh vince?

Uh?

Sid is on the phone? Shit?

Uh?

All right, you know what, Just put him on there, put him on speaker. Brother, We're gonna figure this out right now.

You put him on brother. Lets connect this fucking phone call. Dude. I want to know what's going on, brother. I mean, all right, you know what, if this is the way it's going to be, it's the way it's going to be all right? Can you can you patch in mister mister Hulkgan too, please please Emily, mister McMahon, and also take off your brother, Vince, Vince, I just want to let you know you're on speakerphone and Terry's here, Hulks here as well. Brother.

What do you?

Who's this? Dude? Who are you? Dude? You want my spot?

Brother?

I talk to my spot. I want to know, dude, where's my spot?

Brother?

Where did you put my spot? Dude? I had it right on me, brother, this whole time, and now you're saying I'm getting word that you're taking my spot, but you took it, dude? Where are you at? Brother? I don't have the authorization to talk to you?

What what a response?

I mean?

You talk about something that's gonna leave Hope just at a loss for words.

What do you what?

Vince? What was he talking about? Dude? Uh?

Done?

Said uh uh? I authorize you to converse with them with Terry Beliam huld Cocain number one. Like, oh my god, he says.

Sid, I authorize you to converse with dry book.

Why is he being so formal?

What is he reading?

Like a contract out loud. Basically, what is he doing? Like, what does he think what extra protection does he think it affords him to say in that moment, Darren Hull Coga number one, please meet all Coga number two.

No, Cogan number one, please meet Hull Coga number two. Converse. So I'm authorized. I want to get this straight. So I'm gonna tell you something, Hulk Hogan. I told Vince McMahon that I wanted your spot.

What what.

Spot are you talking about? Is gonna hit you in the head like a spot. I'm gonna hit you in the head like a spot. Brother. We're talking about like allgion? Dude? What do you mean by spot? Brother? Have I got lesion of doom?

Brother?

Allegion done? Shot the moon Dog's dude? Right oh now talking about brother?

Told the moon dogs dude, what are you talking about? Brother?

He's so exasperated, he's so he's so desperate for like clarity.

Hull Cogan, I having my contract the whole Cogan spot. What Vince just looks down, he looks down at something on his desk. I am, yeah, I don't know about bust. I don't believe in contractual basis of uh employment. What I do believe is in his handshakes.

I don't believe it is a contractual basis of employment.

I believe in handshakes. And there is no evidence whatsoever that I have signed Sid to any contract that he is claiming. I have the papers in my hand. I have rod here a contract that says I am fulk holding. Did you talk to Marvel first? Brother? Wait a minute, what what is he talking about? Brother?

What was he saying?

Dude? I can't hear him, brother.

I have gone on to the trouble of shaving my head up to the back of my hairline.

I have a fu Manchu well, I mean sid Olk two. We didn't talk about that. We didn't talk about the facial features of them. Of mister Hogan one, hold on, hold on.

So with his months before he comes in, Sid gets agreement across the table across the desk from Vince that he's got Hogan spot if he just signs, he signs and he has a report back date. Okay, because like, let's say there's something contractual at WCW where he has to wait it out. Four months later, they finally set the appointment to sit down and talk about his future.

Oh what's this power? I told you what I told you. I wanted the Hull COVID spot.

Okay, get to work, photoshoppers, you know what to do. He shows up with a fu Manchu.

Just imagined. Also imagine too. It's not like he's got Hulk Cogan's hair. He's got the curly hairs. All right, you got the curly hair.

But in that.

Well, this is not exactly what I had planned when I offered you or gave you the Hulkogen spot. Potentially if things turned out that way, and you know, everything worked out in your favor. But uh, this is certainly a development that we will take under consideration, and we will h Yeah. When Vince doesn't like the look, he says things like this is certainly a development that we will take under consideration. That's when you know you fucked up.

He said, my church a case of Vina sausages. And I sent him an autograph picture.

I want you to do me a favor right now, okay, I want you send I want you to send a garden a the Ana sausages to all cod sid I listen, pal, I do a. I think that's a very generous gesture. I don't think you understand how hull Cogan is going to take that. I don't dare. I want him to know that I have his spot and he has.

By the way, what he's saying all this, he has his head shaved, almost bald, and he's a food man chew mustache.

I can't let that not I see. And you think that is going to be accomplished with you with me sending hull Cogan a box of Vienna sausages. I do be sausages say a lot. I believe they do. I believe they do. Well, let's tell you what. Let's not waste another moment. Let's uh have you down in the studio and we'll take some photographs, some promotional photographs.

Is with.

Mister, what do you what do you uh? What do you want to call yourself? Hulk Justice? Ulk Justice? There it is.

I look ten years on man, well, I love it when Vince feels like he's in the alpha position, and it makes people feel like nothing. I equally adore when Vince is actually worried that this guy might actually shoot this office up and he starts dealing with him with that that reticence in his voice. Oh my god, is that depth? Is that depth?

Yeah?

When? When? When when vincick Man is not the craziest person in the room, you know that there is an issue. Yeah, let's tell you what, why don't you why don't you, uh you take a break for a moment and we'll be with you and we'll take some promotional photos with Hulk Justice. This is great, This is great stuff. Pal, Can we get him uh down in wardrobe or something? Great? Better? Say, what the fuck are we going to do with this guy?

Oh?

How do you?

Already wanted some sausages and I wanted to listen.

No, you can go to Vienna on your own time. What we have here is we have a problem. He wants to be Hult Justice Hulk Justice. How fucking stupid is that? I mean, what do we do with that? He's not even taking like maybe if he was Sid Hogan, that's something we could work with the old Cogan's brother, Hoult Justice makes no fucking sense. Who is this fucking guy?

I don't know, but you hired him?

I didn't. I didn't hire him. I don't even talk to this guy.

Who is he?

He just came into my office, heying, he's Hulk Hogan.

What appoignant question for you to ask at this point of the show, Boss, who is this guy? Well, if you pull up in the video link that I just sent you, we're gonna get acquainted.

Oh boy.

This is a little more of the aforementioned vignettes of you know, Sid's coming and different wrestlers on the roster speaking to it, and then that transition into him being announced as the special Enforcer for the Summer Slam nineteen ninety one match. We're HULLL Cogan and the Ultimate Warrior team up against Sargent Slaughter, General Adnon and Colonel Mustafa

Hold on, I gotta ad here and then.

Absolutely so a lot of coloring in here to do on Sid's nineteen ninety one ww frun. It's all about this run.

So here we go.

Three yep, two one. He's so scary, he's got his teeth.

Yeah, clenched.

Take you from Winston and me, Sid Justice as the size and the strength to become a top dog.

Right here in the World Wrestling Federation, British bulldog.

You and that Mangie Mutt Winston, do you think that Sid Justice has all the qualifications of being the top.

Dog in the World Wrestling Federation.

Well, I'll tell you this.

I know what road he's taking and it's going to be a surprise to you.

You know, mister Perfect that said Justice is a god.

Yeah, he's big, he's strong, and he looks straight.

Kind of reminds me of myself.

Yeah, hey, Mester Perfect, even though I hate doing a minute, you're halfway right, said Justice.

That's a big, strong and tough man. But he's also hat saw Jim Duggett's kind of guy. Oh I don't think you said, Oh No, said Justice.

He's big, he looks tough, he looks like he's done the kick it hold on of button.

That's a matter of fact. He kind of reminds me of us.

Rush said Justice. We've got one opening left the other hard organization.

And you fight even by oh you gotta be Is that nasty as a what a?

Oh?

Hey folks, Oh, Hack sage and dugging.

I've been checking out this, said Justice, just like everybody else.

And there's two things I admire about him.

He's a tough guy, he's an American, and just like Hack sage and Dugging, he stands for the good old USA.

Behind that's right. Duggan, forking about.

The USA stuff, said Justice is one of us.

That he's right, he's big, he's that's right to food. He's big and he's made judging.

Its menacing pos a size and power.

I said, Justice, he could easily becoming on the one of us, but not your disaster, can.

You that's a disasters version call him? Said Justice, a volcano? Got her all wrong, man, because any.

Kind I used volcano in the natural disasters earthquakes, said here's a volcano, but real good, real brother, And what the fuck a referee? What the fuck is wearing?

Doesn't get just hope he isn't buy a to fire because he could beat a perspectim what you got under.

You don't need the likes of hor Rod Roddy Roddy Piper and I R S.

Said Justice, six foot down, three.

Hundred and seventeen pounds.

I don't know the guy.

I don't know if he is I don't know if he isn't, but I'm dying.

That's see, Sid, Justice, You're.

Just the man I've been looking for. With your size and intensity, you're a prime candidate for my cheap tax collector.

And you know what that means, you tax cheats out there wouldn't be able.

To cheat one more game, lover flab Now the arena promos for summer, said man, Man, is.

That I don't chair.

Prod you that got Toddy may best still guest referee makes don't get friends too off.

Wait a minute, do I understand you to say it does not make any difference who the special guest.

Referee at that one Slaughter.

That's what he just said.

Soever, Well, would you like to meet that special guest.

Referee file me, I want to meet that special referee for supper slam the batch made of hem.

Here is special guest referee for the handicapped tag suit.

Justice.

Wow, that turn of hod come you are turning up?

Are you ready?

Task?

For him to say these shows that he didn't Wait a minute, these guys are.

I guess we don't know shit. Justice stands in this whole day presenting arms to suit.

Justice jump to the.

Car ship, all right, welcome to the core. He thinks he's on his side.

Yeah, se what sid has to say?

Well, come just sagainst Slaughters for said justin.

That the for your door, big pop, that's a that's a that's a signal, and I've never heard of one.

I'm sure we'll get the sizes differ. Sure, this old w stubby traveling battery. He went to all three and said he's not parts of their cores. A nice short promo. He always thrived with those nothing complicated. Yeah yeah, let's yep. D On Hogan and Warrior.

Here with Jim Most said, it's going to face off for the other half. There we go Blue.

No, he is soaking up.

Listening, going to be favoring something liquid pouring off his chin. Put that star power. Look at that?

Don't they look amazing?

Guys, Jesus Christ, what a tree.

So Vince thought he was getting an international incident.

R book by Justice.

I recall recently.

Hear before he shrunked Cottius Good.

Flutter in company, and they tried to persuade.

You the studio.

By the way, in the YouTube account of Louke Gregory shout out to him for.

This compilation of destruction general, it's entitled said Justice and Sorry Flutter tv W definition view. The conclusion of that interview, you emphatically line that you would have any association with Sage and Slaughters for of destruction.

However, back to the hardcare, Yep, this may not be a handicap.

He didn't even blocking gene like.

Man, this little man's a big one for him.

Yes, that might be more so, Man, do I might believe.

Brother, Yeah, I'm not not.

Savage al those at the same level he said justice.

More your face, talking about.

Intense everybody, give me a shirt of one.

Spitting water flying off his head.

I would be there for one reason that one't reason. Only just see said justice and sire.

Will be served, but just time will justice be served?

WHOA, I don't know little lou either.

I don't even know what I'm looking at. So Little JP watching that would have been sufficiently Yes, I would have been I would have been nervous. I would have been nervous.

About what side he was going to come down on.

Yes, because he didn't say he was al Kamaniac, But he also didn't say he was Sergeant Slaughter's uh, you know private there and.

If you watch it when he's a dressing hogan there in that moment, he's right up in his face.

Yeah yeah, but both I and Warrior, he's like, you know, getting right in their face.

So that is the build to SummerSlam and how SID was framed. Of course, we know it went down August twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one, and it's the night where Vince Fire's Warrior the second he runs through the curtain for trying to invince his terms hold him up for more money at the last minute. It had been a tumultuous nineteen ninety one for Warrior and the ww front office.

Yeah.

Yeah, there was a bunch of stuff that we could say about, like what the payouts were on the show and all the stuff that had come out from that lawsuit. That it was kind of a struck us as something we could, you know, say more about than just the results of the show before we realized the level of expectation and appetite out there for the deep dive research.

What, you know, we're just kind of in a unique situation and we need you know, we need things done away that will allow us to to further are the entertainment factor of our programming.

Okay, whatever that means.

What are you talking about? Well, I mean, sid, I don't mean to you know, you gotta you gotta go on the road, Pal, just no other way to to say it. You gotta go on the road.

What Asia, that's Vinces, That's Vince's way.

Man.

He's like he gets you on the hook and all of a sudden, unforeseen circumstances and he's going back on your original conception of how this is going to work. Yeah, and it's like he needs you know, he needs It's not all he needs a favor. It's almost like like you should know that that's how it works here, and if you don't, you're being unprofessional. Right, because we're the We're the premier organization for a reason, and that's one

Uh?

We get it here? Whoa Sid Justice? There?

It is the second coming of Hult Cogan double truck feature in p W I.

What's going on here?

And that is deeply concerning.

I'm looking, I'm looking at fucking uh after dude, then the second old Hogan. Wait in the second hold? What I mean?

That is the headline?

That is the headline.

In classic p WI fashion, they're showing pictures from w CW YEP because they always went out of their way to remind you that, like they were following wrestlers before Vince made them national stars and changed their nights right, like they would call mister perfect card heading even after he came to WWF every single time on every reference in the magazine, and so yeah, this is like happening a lot sooner, I think than they had drawn up in terms of when he's first sitting down with Sid.

He said this is what we're going to do with you. We're going to just You're just going to do TVs and pay per views for one year, no house shows, and after WrestleMania you going to start your first house show. He said, We've never done this with anyone. So I'm thinking, well, how on the fuck am I going to get paid for one year? If you don't give me money, He said, well, we're going to take care of you. I said, oh shit, you know, so that was, you know, a big chance I took.

But what happened.

What happened was the Ultimate Warriors started demanding more money and then they fired him at SummerSlam, and it was set up right since he walked to the curtains they fired him, and then this is their idea of this was their version of Hogan passing the torch. He did the pose down with me, which is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of my fucking life. That that was the big goddamn deal. And if you think that's a big deal, you're as stupid as the rest of them.

He's a last fan wrestling podcast. He's fan wrestling podcast with Jack and.

Wow, that's what they doing. Warrior comes out of Wrestling eighty too. He poses down with Hogan at the end of the show.

Yeah, that's that's the thing that that shows you're you're an ally of hul Cogan. That events really means something. He thinks that people are going to see you as a main inventor after you pose of course that's the rub. But the way Sid does it, he's so awkward that it almost is like a comedy idiot. Oh, it's almost like a comedy routine. At the end of Summer Slam, it's almost like Hogan has a whole back laughter while Sid makes a mockery this pose down and his refererational thinking. Dude,

So?

I think we're gonna do this pose down? I'm not a fit of that. I'm not obligated to pose down, brother, Dude. Listen, Sady's some dude. I dig that. Brother. I'm all about, you know. If I don't do creative, dude, I'm all about, you know, taking things that next level. Brother. I get it, dude, and I want to take Sid Justice's that level. So what I'm thinking, dude is, you know what if brother, we kind of portrayed this kind of maybe a mentor mentee kind of thing. Dude, what do you mean, well,

Well?

Do what I'm thinking to what if we come down? What if I have you come down dude? After the match made in hell? Brother, and you when I do a pose down kind of like showing hey, you know what we got here we go, we got we got hull Cogan, we got the new hul Cogan. You know, brother, see the album? Thinking that dude. Mm hmm, I see where you're going. I understand that that is not beyond

What what do you Oh, that's right, he peeks his head to the curtain. I forget about that, which makes it all comedy.

Yeah, it's like kind of like peek out there, dude, and like, say, did I hear my name? Cause I think that people will kind of yeah, Sid, Sid, Dude, come on out with Hull Coagan. You know you guys are best friends now, brother, and so you come out, dude, and then we start posing. But you know what, I think, kind of differentiate dude and kind of show that that that you need just a little bit more to kind

Little awkward about it, dude, like you're getting your sea legs from under you like your abyss and TNA taking my ring?

Are you calling me awkward? No, dude, Brother, do not. I'm not calling you awkward. Dude. What I'm saying is, dude, why don't you maybe you can act awkward? Because I get it, Dude, You're like, you're a pro and you gotta you got a physique, dude that goes fucking miles. Brother, you know we're talking. You know, dude, you got the look, dude. But what I'm saying is, why don't you act like you know what you know? Or even better? Brother, play

You know what.

The future, dude is is unwritten? Brother, who knows? Dude? Right? Do you want me to go out there and look like a fool so that I can have sid Mania down the line. That's what I'm saying. Dude, you kind of look like a little, you know, a little less than here and then sid Many is in your future, Dude. I feel obligated to do that.

Brother, say less, dude. And so they go to the ring and it shall be done, and comically, Sid pokes his head through the curtain, takes center stage with the Hulkster, poses like a moron, and somehow that makes him the next top babyface. Of course, Sid sees it for what it is, especially in retrospect, as you just heard in that clip, but they're laying it on thick even after SummerSlam.

Now listen to this, ah the I have never seen Sid Justice wrestle before.

Do you know that I've never had the pleasure to be in.

The same arena?

What Vince, it's got the music now?

Yes, even did sucker?

Where did you see it? Looking?

Is that's something about a power bomb?

We're gonna ask into the ring air set up for next.

Job or Vince calls out the ovations.

Talk about an overnight success, all about how overnight it is.

This man's gonna be caring about her. Go if the march O man he was unable to return to urging.

As we have been notified he is.

This is the man.

Hopefully we will see that justice will be served as it relates to Jack.

Just think Roberts and the younger two can.

Right about this?

Check?

Is this the power bulls?

A power.

Right?

You didn't fall with it?

Yes?

Really, you're gonna count it to ten?

Everybody fell, all they lives.

I'm only going to get to.

A version like emphasizing the ovation. Yeah, trust that he's part.

I got you play look at this here, hurry and my dog and Wanda had clean up.

Talking about two hundred I thoty.

Five has the power pot.

Turn us?

So rust us what carri us I mean.

Saying like that if Macha Van isn't here, he's the man. He's clearing the banner here.

Yep.

Because the thing, presumably they moved up quite a bit too, was Sid getting involved in the the wedding stuff afterwards, realizing that you know, Warrior wasn't going to be there, they had to transition. Said, I mean maybe he would have got involved in the wedding angle either way, even if Warrior didn't disappear. Yeah, and the Jake program wouldn't

It, mmmm, this is unintentionally. I I had an incident where a guy was giving me a clothesline every night and it was freaking ripping my head off.

He saw those clothes lines there against tibias, they do fly loose, yep.

And I was recovering from having next surgery. And in wrestling, you can make it look like you tore the guy's head off, or you can tear the guy's head off, and of course making it look like it is much better because then the guy can sell it properly. When you tear somebody's head off, there's no selling it. Man, You get what you got. And I went to the guy and called him out. You know, hey, dude, you're killing me.

What the hell?

And he looked at me and said, well, maybe it's time you get out of the ring. That's a sad thing to say.

Oh yeah, that's he always put his foot in his mouth that way, or if anybody challenged him or critiqued him or came at him, he'd always had this snippy response that like created all kinds of problems for him.

Maybe you're a fucking idiot, right, Like, I mean.

Why did this the Arnt Anderson stabbing thing happens because he shot off of the mouth about Flair being too old. I mean, he shouldn't be in.

There, you know. So the next time we wrestled, he closed on me, and I did a little maneuver and snapped his bicep in half with intent, and he went down. He was grabbing his arm. The bicep rolled up on his shoulder. Oh my god.

So I don't believe Jake for a second that he did it on purpose. I'm not sure how you tear someone's bicep on purpose, but I know, and how.

It seems like it was this little simple, That it's this simple to tear a bicep. That's pretty horror full.

I think the UFC guys would use it all the time if there were such a thing as the bicep to yeah.

Exactly, like you could just fucking you know. But and he went down and he was grabbing his arm. The bicep rolled up on his shoulder. It looked pretty awesome. And he's screaming to ring the bell. And I jumped on top of him and grabbed the bicep and just started squeezing. And I was pissed, and I told him maybe it was time for him to get out of the damn Ringow not proud of it. It seems like you're proud of it. Actually, like you're pretty damn proud

Wow, he sure did. In a shooting interview talking about.

That's how is that possible? How's what possible? How did he have six months?

Jake is not going to take the time to calculate exactly how many months it was, Like no one ever had.

You know, if summersion happened in August, he doesn't matter. He's back in the ring in in January, and I I'd have to think that Jake cost himself some Survivor series money. I mean, I know he still was on the card, but you can tell just from that magazine article that Sid versus Jake I think would have been seen in a more premium spot on the on the show, well, it was going to be the main event still, I think it was going to be. It was going to be Sid and his team versus Jake and his team

Facking hell Jesus Christ.

That was That was it. He was supposed to be. That was supposed to sit the main event is fucking first in ring pay per view.

That's so wild, yep. Sid saying in a shoot interview after that or no before that, actually, but about the same circumstance. I've never stooged done anybody. I can't stooge anybody. I can't kiss anybody's ass. I can be your friend, but I can never kiss your ass. That's what I've told everybody in the business. And Jake was the first one that fucking got me in some trouble up there. I don't know if you know what I said or done.

Of the ring. Yeah, to Jake Roberts, Yeah, probably not a good idea, Pal, So that was weird.

I didn't really like that part of it, Sid, Sid. So now he's shelved to heal the bicip injury. He's still on the road because you know, bicep terror isn't like disqualifying as far as flying in things. But he's not working in the ring. But he's still making towns. And as luck would have it, or as perhaps the opposite of luck would have it, in Greensboro, North Carolina, the WWF and WCW crews crossed paths which would happen

But Sid is. Sid's head is big.

Sid is seeing big crowds, he's seeing high end production. He's rubbing shoulders with Hulk Hogan, the biggest star in the industry, and he's not going to be able to keep his thoughts to himself about how Bush League the company he left behind, which years later he would call an unmitigated mistake, though certainly in nineteen ninety one he's not feeling that way. And when he sees WCW wrestlers, he's going to talk about it. And this boss is

Not much? Not much.

So we're gonna start with Liam wore it, no of it? Right, yeah, okay, So what what's your general conception of it?

Don't I just know that there was a squeegee incident, okay, at one point, like I've learned about it before, but I don't really remember what it was.

You just know that at some point Sid is wielding a squeegee. Yes, And that's the thing with Sid. It's not so much what he does. It's that he ends up doing goofy things like playing softball and trying to tack him over with a squeegee, being an idiot, and you know, and like being a farmer, and the size. Like these things aren't goofy in an of themselves, but when when you put them in Sid's hand or in Sid's circumstance or environment, they become hilarious. I'm sorry, yes they do.

It becomes complete fodder.

Like that story that Stan Hansen told that we talked about in part one where he sends Sid to the ring because Sid suddenly gets a paranoid that they're going to get counted out of a best two or three falls match and Sid lunges over the top rope like a total klutz, or the story Shane Douglas tells in Continental where Sid go as Lord Timungus goes timbered thinking Sika's behind him, and he's not like that because it's Sid. It's like, at least four times funny.

It's so goofy, it's so goofy.

Just add that physical awkwardness to it. I mean, look, he made the Hogan post down look like a comedy routine, yep, and I don't think he intended to do that.

So he's just a goofball.

So we're going to get to one, you know, a story that just can't you can't hear about Sid and never forget it. And as people try to, you know, lean into the positive sentiments about this guy upon his passing, which is natural and is a classy thing to do. You just someone's gonna say squeege eventually, just like they're gonna mention the stabbing, and just like they're gonna mention softball,

He was a freak.

Like we've talked about. He'd be up at four thirty in the morning, even when on the road. He'd be on the few guys that would insist on getting two workouts in a day while traveling as a wrestler. He would only intend to eat just like protein and just unmitigated healthy portions and type, not portions, but types of food.

He wasn't He.

Didn't engage in anything so smoking weed and when he drank it was rare, but it seems like when he drank you ended up with stories like this, okay, and even he would be one of the first ones to admit that. So after a few beers or work right, Sid couldn't help himself. He was more than happy to talk down to the wrestlers in the company he'd left behind for the WWF about how much greener the grass

That's Sid. Yeah.

While the WWF was having its own problems at the time, o'rourick writes, nobody could really argue that nineteen ninety one had been a disaster thus far for Turner's ensemble. One person who took exception was Mike Graham, who suggested that Sid should shut his mouth instead of heating the request. Sid kept up his obnoxious tirade and responded that he'd drawn more money in the last week than Graham did

Came back from my own Montgomery, Alabama or something. We just finished TV. Terry Allen and God bless Brian.

Pillman was there and I was there, and they had had a couple of drinks and it was kind of nodding off a little bit, and Sid had just left w and gone to WWF. So he's sitting over at the bar. And went and seen him for I been gone for a couple of months, and I just say, he said, how are you? And he went back, sat down, and Sid gets up, walks over, sits down and commenced to telling us what a chicken shit company WCW is and everybody that works there stupid, and ww.

The place to be and just then and then, well, we all still worked for WCW. We had pride in what we were doing.

I didn't want somebody telling me that we were doll masses, or that the company sacked or anything else. So I just said, Sid, why don't you go back over and tell the girl that story at the bar.

She'll believe it. I'm not going to he said, you might. Gran. You're a loser. I've made more money in the last two months than you'll make here all year. You spent your life I've done this, I've done that. I leafed across the table at him, stood up.

I said, sid, you said, might be true, But I said, this loser that hasn't made as much money as he was just about to kick your ass. And he gets up out of the chair and he stitches his interview chin out. He could do a hell of an interview.

I wasn't buying it.

He wasn't cutting an interview on a wrestling fan. I wasn't wrestling fan. And I said, I went around the table. He dropped his arm and he said, well, if you want to beat up a guy with one arm, go ahead.

He said one arm.

He said, shit, looks like you got two arms to me, and they're three times the size of mine. You have it, and he pulls his shirt sleeve up. He had a little band aid, a little band aid on. I ripped my bicep today.

Oh, I said, get out of here, just go home. No, don't come in here and insult this and then act like Fred.

Just go home.

I helped him put his wind breaker on.

It was going to go.

I helped him put his wind breaker on. Everything. See walks out the door. So I'm standing on my back to the door.

I'm trying to get Brian up and Terry to get him to the room and all that kind of stuff from behind me.

Here, all right, Graham, I'm ready for you.

Now.

It's gonna be an even fight. Now, I'm ready for you.

I thought he was kidding. I turned around to look. He's got a squeegee like you clean your wonder with a squegee in his hand. I looked at him and went, are you serious? He goes, yeah, he's in the breakdown, like he's in a position where he's gonna move or fight or something.

I walked over to him.

I snatched a squeege out of his hand and I thumped him on the chest with it. I said, sid, get out of here before I stick this up your ass. And I handed it back to him and he took it and put.

His arms down. He walked around.

I thought, Jesus, here's six eight three hundred pounds. If he comes in with a tire, iron or something in my back's turned, he could do some damage. I better pay attention this next time. So I walked out into the lobby to see what he was going to if he was going to come back with something or what he was doing, and he had moved his car up to the front of the hotel, so he got I guess and beat me up with a squege you.

Make the big escape. When he saw me standing in the lobby, starts going, I'm on the cake your ass me and you ain't no good.

I mean, like a uh temper tantrum that a junior high school cheerleader would throw or something.

So he gets on his scar and he drives off.

Uh.

Yeah, so it's a shit stirr and a pain in the ass.

I mean, yeah, can we not to me? You know, can we not pretend to not know that it makes total sense to me?

What stands out to you about that story there from Mike Grant, if anything, What stands out to you about that narrative there from Mike Graham?

Uh, honestly, it's the it's the torn bicep. And then all of a sudden, you know, he's like he needs to prove himself. You know, He's like, he's like, I can't find I got a torn bop. All right, you're a bit wait a.

Minute, spam, you get back here right now.

So he says, Graham, I mean it kind of I never thought of it this way until I heard it. But it's like the reason he grabs a squeegee is because he's got a bad arm, and to him, one good arm with a squegee, and it is more, you know, tantamount to two working arms. I suppose. Well, when he tells the story said that is it's a little more anodyne than that, a little more kind of like, you know,

There in WCW.

Ryan, But there's a lot of stories out there about the squeegee thing with you, and Brian told me was that during your first or second run.

As Actually, well, I was on the WWF.

What it was, I tore my boss up that night in Orlando, Florida, and I had left my car that the hoe Jones and everybody's say that I'm sitting there talking to him, and actually that night magdalum Ta, and they were trying to taught me into coming back to w c W, and I was just telling him how great things were. Brian Pillmer started running his mouth and I said, hey, fucking and I had a torn bicep.

You know, no, I couldn't. I couldn't have fought if I wanted to. And so I just remember getting out.

My car was dead, the guy was giving me a boost, and Pilm was out there, and it just so happened he was in the four boarders of the pass receipt and I grabbed and said, hey, motherfucker, you give me a whacky in the fucking head of this.

Of course he didn't, you know what I mean. So so it's a kind of an exaggerated yes.

Of course.

The thing is this, if if Broon Pilman never had any things, you know, if he really wanted to be a tough guy when I beat him up that time of war games, legitimately, the sitting him through that cage, he had all the reason he.

Could have fought right there, and he didn't want to fight.

He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.

He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco and JP sorrow.

So to Sid's way of telling it, he's in the parking lot with the squegee and Pillman's getting in his face. Of course, Graham tells the story of Sid re entering the hotel wielding the squegee ready to go to war. Now, those are two things that just don't mix, like someone's right and someone's wrong.

Here do we have the truth?

They don't have the truth? Now, those are the two stories we have, And of course we don't have Pilman story because before there really was such a thing as a shoot interview industry, he passed away. But you know, it makes more sense to me that Sid would grab the squeegee if he was being run up on in the car. Yeah, and he just grabbed the nearest thing he had then going to the going to the parking lot and coming back with a squeegee, And maybe he did both.

Maybe he uh, he.

Grabbed the squeegee in confronting Pim in the parking lot and then ended up just saying, fuck, I'm gonna go back in there with this thing. But you know, Sid holding a squeegee, It's just you're not gonna hurt anybody with that.

I know, it's a fucking it's like the it's like the worst weapon you could possibly grab, especially when you're tall and like you're supposed to be menacing. And he does. He does come across as someone who really, more often than not, is gonna make himself look like an idiot exactly, thank you. You know, when push comes to shove, he really can't get across the toughness factor. He just looks like a fool when.

It comes right when it comes right down to it, he's gonna make you kind of laugh in his face, even if you don't intend to. And so we go and and you know what, you know, it's another chapter in that book is his face when they announced that he will not get the WrestleMania eight WWF title shot. Yes, describe it for the people, the face he makes when they declare Hogan the Challenger or Savage the Challenge or whatever it was.

It's just like, you know, he well, first of all, don't don't forget he stands up first, thinking he's the number one contender. It's spectacular. Oh, it's spectacular. He stands up, and then Hogan gets it, and he sits back down, and he goes he tears up random pieces of paper.

Yeah, like a like a child having a child. So this is them accelerating. Oh, the last man standing, Yes, because this is coming off the Rumble, of course, and we'll get to that. Yeah, but I just I thought of that right away when I thought of what, when have I seen a face from Sid that's probably close to the face he was making wielding that squeegee. And it's this WrestleMania press conference angle we've talked about over

Than I mean, honestly, all this stuff actually it's actually all a bunch of babyface stuff that really happens to him. I mean, even getting even getting screwed out of the title shot is it's like you kind of feel for Sid because Sid was the last guy.

Yeah, and you kind of resent Hogan because he's been there so many times and now he's getting advantaged again. But in their mind, they always do this. Vince always had a problem with this, where like he get to a certain point where he'd assume that the babyface would be cheered. He did this with Charlotte against Becky, remember, and it was like, oh, okay, like here's another here's another version of the formula where Hogan comes out the

That's one too many times it's done a piss poor job of it, pispor job, and you're going to get Hogan over as the baby face. Everything else should have happened like he should have been in the Sid position absolutely the whole time. And we're about to talk about this because Sid notices this. Vince may have been too more clever than we think here, because Hogan, knowing that Sid's gonna move in in his position, has a fucking fit.

What happened at Ward Rumbles.

It was simple, man, I was the last man standing. I would be the world.

Chapman if it wasn't for you, Hogan, pulling me out from outside the ring.

Now, what you did, Jack Tunny was bogus.

Both bogus act you fair for pull off.

I want to ask you what is it?

Is it because I'm not a big movie stormed like Hulk Cogan, the big and mortal one himself.

Is it because Sid Justice is the newcomer?

Well, I want to tell you something, Hulk Hogan, you couldn't be ripped player on your best taste. But I can't why because Sid Justice ools us the world?

I think it's the first time he said rules the world.

I think so.

Certainly close to it because that's a heel line, and he's now a heel or you know, in their mind becoming a heel, even though, like you said, any fair reading of the way that played out for Sid, he is absolutely the victim.

Yep.

But it's like Brett in ninety seven, And that's interesting. That's interesting because you know, that plays a huge role in where Sid stands Brett's storyline in ninety seven. It's like, even if you're justified, if you whine too much about being screwed over, you are eventually going to be a heel in the eyes of the fans. Like right, even if you have a total solid case to make, if you if you go to go too long complaining about it, eventually the fans turn on your forward or dis you know,

And they enough, you know, to make to make Sid little the bad guy.

Indeed, and I got a request and I'm going to answer it from one of our patrons. As we get to this point, we've had a lot of fun as you just started mimicking it. You just started out with pantomiming it with that promo over the years, the most bogus thing you've ever pulled off. Yes, someone said, you know, I expect a treatise on the etymology of the word bogus. All right, so in Sid's voice, could you please read

The word bogus has a somewhat mysterious etymology, but it appears to have originated in the early nineteenth century in the United States. It originally referred to device used for counterfeiting.

Also known as pro wrestling, such as make.

A machine for making fake coins. Over time, the words meaning broadened to or for anything that was fake, fraudulent, or not genuine. Here's a more detailed look at the potential origin. Number One early used counterfeit money around the eighteen twenties eighteen thirties, bogus was used to describe a machine for making counterfeit coins or the counterfeit coins themselves.

Wow, and certainly Jack Tunney's decision as it regards contendership for the WIF.

Title qualifies under that very inauthentic.

And it's funny that he ends up at a crossroads here with Rick Flair as WF CHAM For many reasons. One, he leaves WCW in the dust and leaves Flair in the dust, you know, after having that friction with him and the Horseman over how much you know, we talked about it last week, how much he was paid, and perhaps some resentment there that Sid's read of why Flair gave him somewhat of a cold shoulder as time went on.

Well, And also you can't deny the fact that, you know, people jump out of their seats when Hogan gets eliminated.

You can see it, right. Yeah, so that's absolutely true as well. So Sid is now going to the back here in Albany, and he's going to observe what's happening here.

In that company. I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, you know, I left a big guaranteed contract to come into this place, and what the deal was. I was going to do TVs and pay per views for one year, and that's to WrestleMania. I was going to be the world champ and I was going to start my first house show. Well, he had the Fire of the Warrior, a SummerSlam, and all that shit changed, you know, So from the very beginning, things.

Just didn't go right.

So we were in already New York at Royal Rumble, where I think Hogan pulled me out from the outside or something, and they started. Right when we get back, you know, Hogan is screaming and acting like a woman, and I'll go hold on a minute. He's screaming at events.

You set this up.

You made this happen. I didn't even know Vince was that bad of a person at the time, you know that did things like that. I thought that was just all hearsay because I didn't care. You know, I really didn't care what they did. So I went to Vince's office, I said, Vince, listen, man. I took my hand down. I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna thank you for the opportunity, but I'm gone. I cannot work in the place that grown men act like women. And he said, no, no, no,

And that's what I did.

And I think I finished up a couple of days after WrestleMania.

And this is where they make that sharp right turn where Whippleman comes in and suddenly Sid's attacking innocence on all the television shows and going super strong heel and uh, that's that's what he claims. He claims that he quit WWF backstage. What a fucking nightmare of for Vince.

I mean, what are you doing.

Everyone loves this show. They think it's such a brilliantly booked show. Backstage, Sids Quintin Hogan's Quintin. Fucking everything's falling apart, and yeah, it starts to make sense. I mean, Sid, just agree to stay through WrestleMania, because even though he did work a couple of shows. After he fucking leaves, he leaves, he finds a way out. Now there's this, there's we've talked about this before, and we'll talk about it again. There's a certain subtext to all this that

Of a deal. Oh, I don't think so at all. I don't think there would have been any I think I think that that would have been I think it would have been done easily. He's not gonna he's not gonna main event anything. Yeah, if he's not his size, Like, the size is what makes him special, and.

I think he knew that better than anybody, as someone that was so maniacally determined to keep that size up by all indications, and you know, someone who like literally disappeared after he broke his leg and wasn't able to you know, continue on the regiment and didn't really emerge again into the public eye until he had healed sufficient to get his size up again. So all that said, you got to consider that as part of what might

He sent my church a case of beingna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture.

Gotcha now here he is.

I wasn't said one of the biggest names in He was just fucking Sid.

I mean one of the one of the stories that's always surfaced is, you know, Vince calls Sit into the office and Sid comes in and Vince says, you know, I'm gonna give you Hogan's boots, like You're gonna basically like Hogan's gonna give you his gimmick and you're You're gonna He's gonna pass the torch to you, and said he looked at Vince and said, well, yeah, that's great and all, but what you need right now is a

Nah.

Thanks, but I think you need a big vicious heel.

Amazing And he did the Sid accent too, Yeah, he did. What you did right now is a big vicious heel. Of course, I can definitely hear Sid saying what you need right now? Yeah, oh, absolutely, yeah, because he's seeing himself as a.

What you need right now is you need a big vicious heel. No, I could do. I could bring in I could bring in some Viennas. You see what I'm saying. I come in, I'll throw Vienna's and it's all over. Disgusting Vienna what brother Vienna's Dude? What is that? What are you?

Huh? It's just amazing that Sid watches all this chaos around him. The legend ends up being that Sid talked himself out of hul Cogan's position. It's ridiculous and so well, it's time to go heal. You know what time it is, boss? This is where you enter the picture, right. Oh yeah, Saturday Night's main event on NBC, one of the final ones in NBC on Fox, Sorry Fox Fox building to WrestleMania eight and they shoot the angle. Sid's teaming with

Good Richie for the time you listen. Oh, no, Justice, what's he doing? Trust does Purgans holding?

Can't tell you?

This is a sen He's taking her.

He he's had enough for help hugging.

He's had enough for beefcake.

He's taking a hot.

Put us beefcake spinning. Ah, wait a minute, help him, don't need any please, this will be like a hockey game. He'll be a face off if he touches beefcake. I guarantee, says help himself. But you hear what Justice said. He wants talking to help himself, joining.

Me now, said Justice, there must be some reason for your suctions.

You turned your.

Back on your friend, Holt Coke shut up first.

It's easy.

I do turn my back on my friends because I do need any friends, and for furthermore, for friends like Cold Cogan, I need no enemies.

Now, I cannot still believe the words that.

Jack Tunny spit out his mouth and named Hulk Cogan the number one contender to face Rick Flair for the championship at WrestleMania.

Because it's simple.

All you have to do is open your eyes and you will see the man is standing here as the number one contender. Now, Jack Turney, you've alreadys showed favoritism, always showed favorite tasm tow.

Him in case that big movie store.

Maybe I'm not.

I said it once and I'll say it again. Hulk Cogan. You couldn't beat Rick Flair on your best day.

As you can't make me oh my worst for Clive the Madden the rules in the world, and I believed him.

Take us back.

How are you reacting?

Oh god, I was. I mean, you know, first of all, I was mortified because all I wanted was to see a whole Cogan, you know, whule Cogan win a match clean on TV live or in my mind live. That's all I wanted. And I was so excited and then Sid pulls this shit. Oh god, I can remember how nervous I was when when when Sid wasn't looking for the tag oh.

Dropped right off the apron and Hogan's desperate crawl.

It was so it was just.

It was brutal to me, and he did it so nonchalantly. But then to have such venom on the promo afterwards. Yeah, these are the guys you're looking into that formed your lifelong impressions of Sid. Exactly the first thing you said when we started doing the tribute show that came from the promo. We just heard in the angle, we just heard yep, exactly all that massive and it was, uh, you know, this match was featured in the Battle of the Titans. Yeah, this is the time for in the

Sid Justice promised everyone that he would be the Hulkster's truest friend hours before they were scheduled to meet w Champion Rick Flair and the Undertaker on Saturday Night's main event last month. Sid broke his promise and showed his true colors when he abandoned the Hulkster in his time of need. It was clear even before they entered the Saturday Night's main event ring that all was not well between Justice and hulk As soon as the bell rang, they argued as to whom as to whether which of

I know, I remember seeing this, but okay, whatever you say.

Seconds later, the complexion of the match changed. Separated by the referee, Hogan and Flair jawed at one another on the apron. The Undertaker entered the ring and blasted Justice, whose guard was down. The Undertaker tagged Flair, and together the two athletes worked over the big man from Arkansas with chops, chokes, and punches to the ear.

Okay, strangely, specific.

Amazingly, Sid absorbed these blows and rebounded. He grabbed Flair and the Undertaker and rammed their skulls together, dazing them. Justice tagged a fired up Hulkster, who stormed the ring and tattooed Flair in the Undertaker with tremendous blows tattooed. Even the Undertaker's manager, Paul BarreR, was tagged when he stepped too close to the action. Yes. However, while Holkomania was running wild, Flair was clearing the cobwebs and planning

This is.

This was only my second magazine that I purchased, and I'd never read about a Hulk Hogan match in the magazine. So I was very excited about that.

Absolutely, So the memories that pour forward in the way that Sid is portrayed there, what a piece of shit, right?

Oh yeah? The cover too, By the way, he has Flair, Savage, Hogan, and Sid, all four of them on the cover.

Is that that famous cover with Flair with a belt in the foreground.

No, that's the March issue equally as important. Actually, there is a piece in there, actually a very brief piece, because because what they do is they they interview in the interview section, they interview a number of superstars. It's Hogan, It's Flair, Savage, Piper, Undertaker, and Sid And here's what Sid so he's asked, said Justice, you've said you think this is also before he before he turned on Hogan. This is pre turn, said Justice. You said you've earned

Damn it's a la fan wrestling podcasts fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Jpro.

That's a hell turn.

Yeah, I mean it's it's it's they're planting the seeds there for sure.

And so if you need to really accentuate this change in personality and really need to you know, deliver more, you know, obnoxious promos or longer form promos, if you need someone to play off of, you know, perhaps it's time to uh no boy, to cash in in an old favor. Perhaps it's time to call in an old friend.

One day in July nineteen ninety one, as I sat in the box office in Jasper, Indiana, the telephone ring that wasn't unusual. There was there were always a lot of calls to the box office on the day of the Showphis fans who had questions about ticket prices, the lineup, the bell time, et cetera. I was used to answering those questions. This phone call, however, was one that I didn't expect. It was Sabrina Udi, Sid's wife calling me

Not what I wouldn't kill to see what it looked like. This is the Memphis box office. He's working for USWA and Jerry Longer.

At the time, Sid and his family had moved from the Greater Memphis area to Atlanta, where he went to work for WCW. I was curious to know how Sabrina managed to track me down in Jasper, Indiana. The lady really did her homework. She had called Buddy Wayne, a longtime USWA promoter and friend, and asked him if he knew how to reach me. He told me that I was living in a shed behind Lawler's house and gave

Imagine that putting your wife on the on the task of finding hard may.

You get your ass out of bed? Wow? And you get on the fucking horn and you find Bruno.

I am fascinating around by Sabrina's role here.

Fascinated Yep. No, I'm not messing around. I'm not joking. Right. You see what I have to do with Frank. Frank's a piece of shit. Wow. Now, don't you disappoint me, Sabrina. I'm looking at you in your eyes, and I see the fear. I see the fear you have for Sid, and I want you to know something. That fear is justified because you will not know what it is said I will do to you if you don't find Bruno. Find him. Wow. Yes, I I had never had any desire to leave Memphis and live in Atlanta, where WW

Now we need to know what to pronounce Worcester when we read the book for some reason.

Yeah. So, but he stressed that it was only a tryout, nothing was guaranteed. I had to impress Vincickman, Pat Patterson and JJ Dillon or I would return to setting up rings in places like evening shade, Arkansas for the rest of my life. Sid wanted me to drive to Atlanta about three days before my shop and fly with him to New England. I was just a Southern redneck who was it used to a big territory like the WWE, and he wanted to be with me so I wouldn't

Yes, God, there's no telling what I'll do to you. Fuck the hell.

You've heard me in the night. You've heard me taking my knife. I'm shaating it.

Yeah, let's not forget his lasting impression of being on the road with Sid.

Alright, you know what I'm capable of, you know, damn well. I'm not afraid to let my knife enter another human body that I'm not afraid to shed the blood of humanity on my white sheets. M Bruno, I will kill you.

Oh my god. That's a direct, direct threat of murder. That is an absolute crime by any any read of the situation. Because he's so done trying to talk around it. It just goes brutal. I will kill you.

I will kill you. I will slit your throat if you're not where I say you need to be on the exact date, at the exact time, in the exact place. Do you understand me? Right? Yeah, that's a good one. That's good.

Well, I like to come on all ye JP's Whippleman lapsed, Tarvy lapsed, Tarvin's.

Harvin's Whippleman. Oh yeah, I for I assured Sid that I would be there at the appointed time. I thanked him and hung up. I knew at that point that if I could impress the people in the WWE, there was a genuine chance that I would actually get a starting date and a spot on the talent roster. I had paid my dues, and I had learned a lot during my twelve years of pounding the asphalt. I think it's kind of the pavement and asphalt doesn't really pounding

Or you know.

He also he also still smells like he shop his pants.

You know.

Look, I'm not saying anything to counteract it.

So he take take from that, like you know, he just got that that set like like like as if he he he took a ship and just didn't wipe well enough, and so there's.

Just like especially when he sweats in his ass.

Crack, yeah, exactly, and the hair is just like soak in.

The soak is not the word. I'm serious, man, I can't.

Oh my god. I felt I needed all the help I could get, both with Sid and in my knowing. As I approached Hot Lanta, as Michael Hayes would call it, Okay, I stopped at a rest area tot call Sid's house. I had never been to Atlanta, so I had no idea of how to get there. A sure, a short while after getting directions, can you imagine the direction that Sid gave him. You just keep driving. You've gone too far. If you drop too far, you'll know it. Oh my god,

Yeah, and so it was just kind of like, oh, man, Like now he's a fucking punchline, right.

He's still like he's a he's a fucking degenerate too. Oh my god.

Well they're fucking are so sick of losing him to that kind of stuff.

Yep.

But I never thought of Harvey whippleman is. But it makes sense now that he says that.

Yeah, it does, I mean because they do wear different outfits. But the I can see that the shoes and they and the bow tie totally being like that and some SID paid for everything with the with the agreement that I would pay him back in full when hope they get hired by the w WE. If you don't get him paid, if you don't get hired, I will kill you.

Right, that's the opposite, that's the alternative.

Because I'm not paying for your ship is a fucking loan Wow, and then you're gonna loan me your life permanent.

Take that seer? Sucker?

Who's the sucker?

Now?

When the morning of our trip to New England ride we got up early, ate breakfast? I get it, I get it. But you ate breakfast every fucking morning. Okay, every fucking story is him talking about breakfast. Jesus Christ. Dude even said it. Now, you know the motelities about getting breakfast driving Atlanta?

Get it, dude, You eat breakfast every day? That was brilliant, you know, So do I.

Here be going on about it? Fucking I'm fucking you know, talking, you know, writing it down somewhere and saying, hey, I wouldn't hear me talking about it?

Yeah?

I guess what. I ate breakfast again this morning, keeping that record alive. Every day so far forty three years, and every day I capt fucking breakfast. I went to the Hartsfield Atlanta International Airport. I don't need the whole fucking name either, I get it.

You went to the airport wrestlers and their fucking landmarks.

I know.

Our flight was uneventful and we landed as scheduled in Boston, which from which we made the short drive to Wooster. I mean, I guess, I guess for them it would be like short. I'm say it's not short.

Don't feel short to me.

Yeah, you know, it's like it's like it's like forty five minutes. Some of that could be longer. Yeah, I think it's like forty five minutes to an hour, isn't it.

Yeah, you know you hit rush hour two hours.

Yeah, exactly. If you're walking, it takes like, well, yeah exactly.

He's not considering how long it takes to walk from the airport to the satellite city.

Whale and Mercy, You're walking everywhere with your long strides.

Whaling Mercy sounds like a Boston law firm. W h e l A Whaling Mercy and the associates, Billy Whalen. How would high school Billy.

Billy wayama. When we arrived at the Worcester Centrum Center, the arena, I saw wrestlers everywhere. I was happy to see some of the guys that I hadn't seen in years. That's crazy, the guys that I hadn't seen. Okay, it's crazy that he saw wrestlers everywhere at the wrestling show, and it's fucking blowing my mind. I can't believe us all wrestlers right as they came around, guys I'd seen before, such as the Bushwhackers, tug Boat, Fred Otman, Jimmy Hart,

Huh.

That simple comment made me feel like a million dollars. Here was the number one guy in the in the entire wrestling business, and not only did he know who I was, but he took the time to make me feel well come in his world. Hogan won. Hogan was and is a true class act, and he will always have my respect and admiration. When Beefcake saw Hogan speak to me, he suddenly managed to find the time to shake my hand. Jesus Christ, what a transparent, self absorbed asshole, Beefcake.

Downtown Bruno's book, I.

Hope you realize that you can only get you can go only you can only get so far by riding somebody else's coattail, and sooner or later you have to make your own way. You know it's saying you like, he's not even talking about him. He's like directly attacking him totally. You never did and you never will. Finally, about six o'clock in the evening, I was brought to

Now quickly on Busick. You remember him, of course, right, yeah, yeah, short lived run. He was a friend of SIDS and a workout partner of SIDS and somebody else that Sid got into the company. But that kind of fell apart. Abusic kind of drinking problem, first of all, and he blew it when he was sent to the ring to do his usual thing where he would go up to the kid, the planted kid in the audience and pop their balloon with his cigar.

Yep.

But he went to the rink one night on a television taping and totally forgot to do that. And that was the end of Big Bully Busic in the world.

That's all it took.

It's now brunos without a charge.

Yes he is umm oh to my delight, I moved up to the next level, as they say, on January twenty second, nineteen ninety two, at the TV in Lubbock, Texas lo and behold the new top heel in the WWE. Justice as SID was called at that time, had successfully lobbied Vince to let me be as manager. For all intents and purposes, I was as high up the food chain as a heel manager could get. I went out on the road every day, and I was finally making

Can imagine what would cause him to be in such a bad mood as WWF crackdown.

On certain substances. It wasn't easy and it wasn't worth it. No matter what I was being paid. Sid literally put me through hell. He would make me get up at six o'clock in the morning to go to the gym with him, where I would sit and sit and sit.

Oh.

I wouldn't have minded so much if Sid didn't constantly tell me how I embarrassed him with my way of dressing, my accent, my way of conducting myself, et cetera. Big Sid cut me down for everything I did at the ring, everything I said in the dressing room, and every time I sneezed. It was like the old CWF days, magnified by fifty. He was really rough on me. On the other hand, Sid was rough on himself. He got angrier and angrier with every day that went by. It was

Let's fucking get it all right. Let's speak that truth. Let's speak that truth.

Mm hmm.

Harvey Whippleman, Harvin's is here.

We know who that is, and we know who this is.

Harvey Whippleman.

Know that man at a man, not wrong, not bad.

That justice rules the world, and he love you, idiot.

Not a war.

He is a big man.

McManus.

You're gonna let a hordle hoop it up if you would, hey, if.

You loize, If he's quiet a second, I'll have.

Something to say, don't say it and they are Hello, Yes, there's a little such crater sec letter the other day. What oh did this the other day? And it really breaks my heart's sad.

I've been a hole, Tonio said.

Todd goes on to win.

Me and my friends.

They want to know, wa.

I turned my back on a hole Kking.

Anyone understands he because they're stupid too.

How can you destroy food?

Is the barber beefcake? And destroy the barber shot when you know you were going to hit him in the States and the States was already hurt.

As the the chid themis a t D.

And as you can't be a friend.

To the Holster, you can't read my friend either. We'll see as well.

Simple if you're a friend of whole co again, you're no friend of mine.

I don't know if this guy has any friends at all. Stick around it's a la fan wrestling podcast.

He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnio and Jo.

I mean, we can't let this go and remark that music oh music's fantastic. What's great about it.

It's got a driving beat, you know, it's very heavy. It's awesome.

It's like one of the best themes they've ever done. Yeah, certainly, certainly of that era too, without a doubt. We'll play it when he comes out of wrestling in the eight Holy shit. Oh yeah, it's like here comes fucking an android from the from the nether world here and he's stomping and he's gonna kill somebody. Yep, you heard the

I mean, I mean, quote unquote movie it's Thundering Paradise, right, No, it's it's.

That.

That's not mister Nanny. He's in that movie is the Zodiac.

He's the Zodiac before he's the Zodiac. But like I mean, I mean, I guess because Hogan's in the movie, you're gonna be gone and you're going to be his stunt pitch and whatever. But like, you're not really in the movie, right, I mean, you're just getting paid.

You're not going away to have a movie career exactly.

Yeah, you're going You're getting paid to just you know, lick Hogan's balls. I don't hold anything really against it. Of course, he was just doing his job. I just think it was a little bigger than it needed to be. After this, I took off about a year or so. That is when we went to film. Like you said, there, mister Nanny. So that is a beefcake's position and all this another victim along the way in the campaign to

His face for weeks. And you know, perhaps even more interestingly, in the Hannibal shoot interview he did, you know, he was asked about people that he's run across in the business. SID was and they mentioned Lenny Poffo, who of course was there with Randy when he introduced him into the business. And then Virgil comes up as well for reasons that well, I'm not going to give you time to connect the dots.

I just have to listen.

Well, you know, Devin, all the stories are all going to come back to one story, and that's him able to perform moreal sex on myself.

I honestly say I never saw it. I did see Virgil do that one time. He actually virtual got fired for doing that. He was doing.

He was worked in Memphis Territory, and he did it in front of Jerry Jarrett and they fired him right away.

So that doesn't always help you out. Speaking of Jerry Jerry and what did you take of him.

Doesn't always help you, Bob.

I mean it should. Honestly, you know, if you can blow yourself, you should, Uh you know, I should, you should be your gimmick, talk about doing the job. I mean the way Sid tells that story is also so Sid. You know, yeah, well you know he, you know, a performer sex on himself and he laughs a little bit at the end. Yeah, he delivers a matter of fact like yeah, with the same intonation. It's like, you know, this is the thing that really happens, and you know exactly. He's so weird.

He's such a weird guy.

Yeah, he's a fucking he is weird. Weird is is you know? Uh you know, I don't I don't, I don't. I don't generally generally like that word, because you know, we're all weird. But he's fucking weird. Man, He's a bizarre individual.

It's fine, it's fine. Stop falling for the gimmick.

I watch him, I watch him get see. I didn't see. I didn't see Brutus give himself oral sex, but I did see Virgil do it.

He said about Lannie.

I've seen virgiline, so I've seen. I'm seeing Virgil blow himself. The fuck's happening. And you know, here's the thing.

Yeah, Jerry Jarrett did get mad about it. But you know, it's one thing to just do it to show the boys you can do it as a party trick, you know, haha, we have a good laugh. But why did Virgil have to keep going until he came?

I want to tell you something. I saw Virgil go at it, and I saw him blows in his mouth go at it. So it's all fine, is what we're trying to behavior. It's the way people should act, honestly. If you can, you should show it.

So, you know, I say, what's what's left unspoken here? What what might be a fat X factor that Bruno is kind of intimating there that it would change Sid's moods so much, Well, let's not forget that. In November of nineteen ninety one, according to the Observer, Vince McMahon told Dave Meltzer that forty nine percent of the roster failed the initial round of steroid tests that were administered.

The horrion doctor is doctor Bruno. He's got a license doctor.

Of course, he's got a doctor at his side, and so this becomes part of the of the cid.

STO imagine if he if he if he if uh said, listen, I'll tell you a pal. You know, I'm under a little bit of pressure with the federal government and steroids and whatnot, so I got to tell you something. I'm not a little alarmed. I'm not pleased with the fact that you failed the drug test. You your your sample was shown to have steroids in it. I understand, yes, yes, I know you understand, but said I have to you know, I have to. I gotta let you go pale. But

Pardon me? Said I didn't take him for a for an MD.

I really didn't, you know. I know we gave him the doctor gimmick, but didn't realize he actually he went for the m D. There, So what is he? What is he? What is he a doctor of? What's his practice? He practices in SID medicine. Excuse me, he practices the medicine of SID Justice. Yeah, well, uh, I say, that's that's very interesting. I uh uh said, I can't. I can't do this. I can't do this. All right, he's not a real doctor, Yes he is. No, he's not. I gotta let you go. I do not authorize myself

I know that.

That's all I got.

Oh, Ship, there's never anything to say after that. It's awesome. I mean, what a fucking ride with this guy. This this this doctor is from Harvey Whipplelman. So I'm sure said denies like, you know, manipulating a lot, right, I'm sure he denies all of this, denies using it, denies manipulating drug tests. Here he is to r a video.

Now at the time, right before WrestleMania, maybe you can put this to rest. W F put out a lot of things saying that you failed a urine test at the time that you were you know that that they were they were giving out urinest with steroids, and that you know that yours came up negative, but they put you in the main event. Anyway, that you should give them a favor for letting, you know them put you in the main event.

Is there any truth to that?

No?

Oh, a matter of fact, the pissed test wasn't until after WrestleMania. And the thing was, Vince knew exactly what I was on because I told you you know, uh, there was no hiding that, you know. Uh now I was fucking using someone else's pissed putting that bottle to I didn't get caught, you know.

But the thing about that is, we know, you know exactly, okay, who does and doesn't do steroids?

And when I was up to the four don't and I was clean and uh never the last time I was there, I never felt the pissed is And but some guys were a lot off, bigger than me and a lot less working out.

So there is just yeah, someone's going on to I used someone else's piss You just said it. Yeah, he said it. You admitted it right there.

It's the fan Wrestling Podcast.

He's a La Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Joan.

What a character this fucking guy was. He's out of his mind.

He's such a fucking.

It's something. It starts to stack up, you know, Like this guy just doesn't stop with this.

Yeah, he just keeps going and going like he's the he's the energy energizer buddy of lunacy.

It's a great it's a matter of great debate. I had trouble finding what the interviewer is referencing in terms of maybe if someone out there can hel help me this idea that WWF, I feel like I remember reading something about how we didn't know all this about Sid's drug tests around Wrestlmania eight until years later. To me, it was like they're probably on some kind of like pr campaign to push back against him or something to

Right, so that you get your big pain. It makes more sense.

Yeah, Yeah, people have accused that an mma for years and stuff, and I wouldn't be surprised that gives both both sides can tell their story. WWF can say you know, you you fail a test before Mania, and SID can say I failed it after because it's a matter of when we found out I failed as opposed to WY. The test itself was was administered.

But that's all that matters, is when you know.

And then all of a sudden he's had enough of this shit. All of a sudden, he's really accelerating his level of dissatisfaction. But as we'll get to further down the road here in the tribute, even the attack on Arn, when you hear Colonel Rob Parker talk about it, he knew Sid pretty well. The first things he thinks of as to why Sid would be put in such an irritable place was because he couldn't bring a shit with

I mean that kind of makes sense. Actually, yeah, I never heard it.

Kind of put that way. But that was the first thing he thought of, the first thing he cited in terms of why it got that way. Plus there was some drinking and they've been traving an awful long time on a bus that, as we'll get to that only had booze on it, and they were waiting for their food, and it was just not a good combination of circumstances at all in terms of preventing things like that from

If you ask me, see there said Justice Hulk Hogan didn't indicate.

This would be his life. Jab, I don't care.

I don't give a damn. How about the liveries of Hulk Hogan. The only thing they remember is that Sid Justice is the man that ined ol Comania. Now you Hogan, AH curse you. I curse you in every Hulk harmaniac because uh, because.

Uh the world.

Let's get back to ringside.

Tremendous challenge for the immortal Hank Hogan, the maniac, the insane Sid Justice hal.

Comania could all end. Likely in my book, Brain hal Comania will live forever. Let's go down the ringside.

What'd you ask me, ladies and gentlemen.

This is the second half of our double mad event.

I'm going to sketchule for one ball, and this time I introduce to you.

Harvey Whippleman.

That is doctor Harvey Whippleman.

That's right.

This is the main event at Wrastlemania, and I'm your announcer.

Here we fucking go comb on the one on your fat.

And so respect to that greated man in the world ranting better race side, So respect the man. I know, and da a race back street jacket material.

You're looking at it.

Yep, he's not all there.

He's not wrapped too tight.

The elevator doesn't go to the top. He's not playing with a full set of cards.

And Hulk Hogan is in serious trouble. One way or the other.

Said it was predetermined that he would end the ring. Well he's got and I heard you last week tell him the newspaper.

Writer you refer to him as psychosis.

There is right there is lass with the white coats and the big net, a looking lenders guy.

You bet every a lot of guys and a lot of nets.

Not very often that the hunks ask the stuff in there with someone as big or large.

Tear of that himself. But in this case, actually he spent his career fucking doing that.

Yeah, that that was the race was on to find someone that could make Cogan look small.

Right, I mean, that's that's what he always fucking was against people that were bigger than him. That was that's what That's what sold out arenas.

Which is funny because kind of but like he worked Randy Savage and that did the best business. Yeah, And he was bigger than Randy, he was bigger than Piper, and that did awesome business as well. But I'll tell you that's an entrance.

Yeah.

You watch that building and you watch him make that slow walk, and yep, he carries himself with so much confidence.

He's spectacular. Listen. He was. He was great. I mean, he was a real he was a legit threat, like I said, he he he Yeah, he scared me. And it was one of the you know, I I remember again not being able to watch the television, you know, like I didn't watch the WRESTLINGIA live, so I had to wait to watch you get the results until uh the following weekend.

Amazing, you know, that's a long ass time. And during the course of the contest, he looks into the mic and into the camera and gives us one of those lines that he'll be known for for forever.

Oh, I've never I'll never seen anybody do that. The hot Tim Henry pet that's that choke slam hoes with no hand.

He shut him down And tell the man.

That's Omer, it's baby, he's op the media.

That's ommer. He's done his number. Chuck up here few roll along.

See we have a sand.

It goes like death do it to the man, as he.

Would go on, do you but do it first?

That's just so Sid, because I'm sitting really does that make sense?

Like maybe? And halfway?

Does I know what he's saying? That's the thing with Sid, like very rarely did you have no clue what he was talking about? Yeah, but it was just the word choice was always so befuddling that you were like, wait a minute, did he actually did he unintentionally get me to draw that conclusion and meant to say something else? Do That's the thing you'll never know do into him another man? Is he would do unto you, but do

You just said that. Do you want I guess? Yeah, yeah, sure, whatever you say, pal, whatever you say, do you do first? My other do onto some before they do it to you? Do you do that first? Or do you just do the first half first, the second half first, or do you do you just leave it alone altogether?

That'd be nice. Well, you know, you'd think with this this huge setting, this massive opportunity, this great atmosphere working against the top guy in the business, that Sid would be able to differentiate between WrestleMania and the other shots on the circuit.

Right.

Oh, no way, no way.

This is another legendary thing. He once said to Sean Mooey about WrestleMania eight.

You know, Sean, this is a deal and I'm not exaggerating. I don't even remember my first WrestleMania. I didn't realize it was WrestleMania. And I'm not kidding you. I never looked at a booking sheet. I didn't care who was working with. I didn't care it was a business to me. I didn't care for wonder the laws. I just wanted to get paid.

So it was a house show.

Basically, I'm just Sean just showing up.

Yes, honestly, you know I got You know, after my first WrestleMania, someone said, you know you were main event Wreussellmania. I said, no, wasn't the He said yes, and I remember that the who's you don't? But I didn't really realize that was WrestleMania. I do remember doing the interviews for it, and because I had that Southern accent, I guess I was saying wrestling mana or saying it the wrong way, and there was a big sign there said tell sid just say mania.

I mean this guy is something lunatic, something else, like who fucking who fucking says that? Like, I don't even remember my first WrestleMania. I thought was a house show. I mean he I don't know, I don't know. I think he's playing on a few levels with that. I don't believe for a second that he doesn't remember that that was WrestleMania. I agree.

He's trying to make a point about how he was in this to make money and he wasn't a mark for any particular moment, which of course he was, of course he was.

Later on if he wasn't if he if he if he wasn't a mark for a moment like that, then he wouldn't have said I want to be Hulk Hogan, I want Huld Cogan spot.

And later on he talks about, you know, bring filling this building, and he talks about his you know, he's been asked in other interviews of what was your favorite WrestleMania moment, and he tells.

I don't have one. I don't even remember what Wrestlemnia.

Was at this wrestleman opponent. He names this without even going into the whole story about how he doesn't remember his wrestling Mania, right, the idiot, Yeah, there's that.

I don't know.

I think that's that's Sid trying to spin a narrative of him being, you know, all business and and the unsuccess. Maybe there was some small thing where he didn't realize it was WrestleMania to who he's at the building, I just don't having heard him talk about this WrestleMania and a bunch of other interviews, he's never said that except to Sean Mooney. But you only have to say something

I think that I don't I don't necessarily buy that. To me, that sounds like.

Someone fucked up and they're trying not to own it.

Well, I think I think they're getting I think Sid gets gets kind of a I cann't you know that by saying that was that that that that he was supposed to kick out of the leg drop. It makes him seem that much, you know, better than they Oh yeah, they booked me to the office, would write, you know, like, I just don't let me tell you this. I just don't think someone kicking out of the leg drop at

And they don't mention it on commentary.

They do briefly. Yeah, but that's a split second, right, which to me says, you know, they get Vince in the ear. Don't don't don't talk about that that fucked up whatever it was, because when you see it happen with Yokazuna the following year, it's a big deal. Yes, it's a big deal.

Really interesting. I don't know. I mean, I'll go with Charles Wright as the truth tailor in this because but I don't know with Whippmann. You know, I would think Whippleman would blame Papa Shango.

Too if that was the case, But I think but not if he's a friend of Sid's. Yeah, and he wants to make Sid look good.

Yeah, accentually with the idea that the office you know said it said it so that Sid would kick out of a leg drop. I've emver heard Hogan. That's the question for Hogan if you ever see him at a at a beer thing. Hey, hey, when Sid kicks out of a leg drop at wrestling the ate were you surprised or was that was supposed to happen?

Why?

Who don't you ask that?

What's it to you?

Like?

What is there a video?

Like?

Well, I don't even remember what you're talking you remember, I don't think anyone's talking about.

I got the video right here, Terry. No, No, you don't have to take that out, brother, we.

Got a line of them. I get it, dude. I get what you're saying, brother, I get that you're saying.

You have.

AI brother right exactly.

I don't I know that this is exactly exactly. I mean, deep fakes, dude. Who knows more about that than than a sports entertainer?

I mean, I'm all about deep fake dude. Did you.

Let's see that phone?

Brother? No, let me see the phone, brother, what's your phone? We're taking pictures of brother Old Hogan. Yeah, yeah, sure, I came to pictures. I came to take care a photo of you. Why, dude, what do you? What are you trying to prove? Brother?

Triangle?

What you're trying to roll me up to? You know what?

What's next? You want to take a shot behind me?

Brother?

What do you? What do you weigh?

Like?

Nine to five pounds? Soaking wet?

Dude?

You gonna roll me up?

Brother?

Huh?

Huh uh?

Trivia question t l f X trivia question.

What's the best? Who?

What episode does it appear on? No, it isn't Summer Slam O five, It isn't one of the Hogan headline shows.

It's the Sid Tribute.

Where where he's accosting someone for taking pictures of him.

So good, I had a fucking meet and greet.

I mean, dude, that's great stuff. So yeah, who knows the mystery that leg drop? But Sid has never leaned into it one way or the other. As far as blaming anybody else, he just says that's how it's supposed to happen. This is also a guy who claims not to remember it's WrestleMania.

So that was a house show.

And that's you know, he didn't say it was a house show. Sean Mooney that that's I kind of yeah, people say Sid thought it was a joke. Sid doesn't think it's a house show. Mooney's the one that says that, and he kind of goes along with it. But it's not like Sid volunteers that. And I saw some kind of lazy shorthand trying to recall some hilarious things he said.

Fucking Warrior?

Sid gets Warrior gets fired exactly, So this is kind of a weird thing that's developing between Sid and Jim Helwig and no, Warrior gets fired from WCW, and within months Sid's in WCW. As they probably have some free money slashing around that would have went to Jim Hallway. I mean, that's just a position there. But Sid gets a very fat contract to come into nineteen ninety nine,

We've seen stuff from it we've seen Sid Face the Undertaker as we have.

It's in the archives on one of the Coliseum home videos. So they get back and this is where we pick back up with Downtown Bruno and his book recollecting what It's Like to travel with a cranky Sid After a European tour.

Five days after we returned to the United States, Sid and I were booked on a ten day run through the Northeast. Sid was scheduled the wrestle Ultimate Warrior for the entire tour. The traffic jams, can ingestion, high prices, and general chaos of the Northeast are enough to put anybody in a bad mood.

These Southern boys and they're fucking problems with real traffic, man. It's it's like, shut the fuck up about it. Seriously, Oh my god, Connecticut gestion, general chaos, and evidently sent Sid over the edge. I don't have any other explanation for his irrational behavior, or maybe because he's off the juice.

Maybe Uh. Since first match with Warrior took place in Baltimore, to say the match sucked is probably giving Sid in Warrior more credit than they deserve. We got to see.

This is an unreleased we need to see.

Yes, exactly, I need to see all the this is this was my feud too, like this is a few that I again became a staple for me.

As a kid, so many you know, expecting anything else.

Sid and Warrior, like in my Hansber universe, they were at war all the time.

Amazing.

It was a constant battle. And I never saw one fucking match, oh never. None of them made it to television. Got to and this, by the way, if you're getting deja vu longtime listeners. We did touch on this part of Bruno's book in the episode we did about the Saturday Nights main Event when Sid turns on Hogan m Truthfully, the fact that they had a bad match wasn't Sid's fault. Warrior was the type of guy who made a great entrance, entering the arena to the sound of loud music, a

With me.

Sid rented and rage irrationally all the way to Logan in an international airport. He talked about how terrible things were in the WWE and how ridiculous it was for him to be working with Warrior. He went on and on. Once again, just like all the times in CWF, I was there to bear the brunt of his anger. I begged Sid to reconsider as we stood in front of

Nice guy.

Not wanting my next snaps, I pulled out my trusty visa and slapped it on the Northwest ticket counter, and without so much as telling a soul from the company, I pulled a hank snow with Sid. We landed in Memphis. Sid into his car and drove home to Arkansas, while I hoped into my truck and drove to Mississippi. As we parted, Sid told me tomorrow call Vincent, thank him for everything, but tell him that you want you want to finish up, then call Lawlor and go back to USWA.