Yes! It’s Lily Kate | Ep 169

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Kate, ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together. No, don't put your hands together because I won't hear you. We are doing this digitally. We are streaming it. But you are going to hear now from your favourite antifeminist. What is an antifeminist? We're gonna have to talk about that. We are bringing on the one and only Lily Kate. Lily Kate, welcome to the Kyle Serafin Show. Hi. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. You're smiling now, but this is going to be the most difficult

thing you do today. What do you think? I mean, I just worked out, so we'll have to see. Alright, let's work out your brain. OK? Luckily for you, you're going to be the expert on basically everything I asked you. So you've got that in your corner. So I want to know, where is Lily K? Where are you from? Houston, TX And you tell people everywhere you go that you're a Texan.

I think it should be in the energy that radiates from me, but if they don't pick up on that, I always make sure to let them know for sure. Outstanding. OK, What is it that is unique about Texas that nobody else understands? If they're not from Texas, what is the Texas energy that radiates? Texas Energy is you have a specific independence that you're, you have a level of self assuredness, you have a level of

creativity. But you know, they call us the Lone Star State and really that's exactly how it is. We have a bunch of independently minded people who love their faith, love their country, but primarily love their state. We always got to let you know that everything is bigger in Texas. And while that is very true, we do have a very deep swamp. So you know, hopefully we'll be combating more against that as time goes on. But yeah, Texas is really just an independent spirit.

And a lot of times. People are Texans. They just don't know it yet. And when they move here, they finally find a place that they're comfortable in that they understand. It's just like Zach, Brian, you know, keep heading South because they let you play your music really darn loud. And essentially that's what Texas is. We're big, welcoming, independent place. I've never heard someone say that. A lot of people are Texans, but they don't know it yet. That's a great line.

Thank you. My I think my wife was a Texan and didn't know it. She went to the University of Texas from New York and she's a naturalised American because of it. Do you think that? I think that since my boyfriend's an Aggie, I can't support that decision. You're not even involved in that conflict. They have to be loyal, you know, They've done good. They've done well for him. Although he does want to go to UT eventually for his law school, so I don't know how that's gonna work.

He's gonna have to get another ring. You wear the ring. A specific ring first, but yeah, let's talk about that in a minute. Let's talk about growing up in Houston. What year were you born? 2002 My goodness. OK, 2002, which makes you about 20 and change 21. 21 Yes, that's a big that's a big year. So I don't want to short you on that one. Tell Tell me about being born in Houston in 2002. What was life like as a kid? How did you see America? What was your family like?

Yeah, well, I have a very unique upbringing. I was born in Houston, like in the city, and when I was like maybe three years old, my parents moved out to the outskirts of Houston. We moved on to some land and they actually decided to homeschool. All of the kids and our family. So I have five siblings and grew up homeschooled, Christian, classically educated. My dad is a lawyer. My mom is an Irish immigrant and was the best homeschool mom you could ever ask for.

And my dad was also a pastor at the church that I grew up in for about 12 years, the 1st 12 years of my life. And so I had an extremely stable upbringing, an upbringing that both parents were very much involved in our daily life and our schedules and our education and taking us to all the classes and all the places that we needed to go. And I really attribute a lot of the the intellectual pursuits I have and the love for pursuing those kinds of things to my dad.

My dad has seven degrees, and he's working on his eighth. He wants to get to 10 before his time is up on this earth. And so we've just been really blessed to have a family of lifelong learners and a family that's dedicated not only to building culture but spreading the gospel as our primary focus. I think we can appreciate that. And you said eight kids, Where do you fall in the birth order? There 76 kids. So 06 kids. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. Sorry if I may have said

something wrong. Yeah, so I am the second oldest, but I'm the oldest girl, so I have an older brother and then four younger siblings. And how young is the youngest? He's. 10/10 Well, you should know that one. I know I just start losing count cause every year magically they all get older then I just don't even come up. That sounds like a parents excuse. I have that I looked over when my daughter just passed her swim test at the YMCA and the guys like how old is she?

And I was like, yeah, how old are you? I know she's five or six, but she's six. I should know that 77, right? Yeah. They get older every year. That's going to be a challenge for your whole life, it turns out, a lifelong challenge. Looking forward to it now. What does your brother do? He's older than you. How much older?

He is actually 17 months older than me and he went to Baylor University when he was 16 years old and he was a student body internal or external vice president, one of the other and he's now Colorado and just got married and doing his working. And he also just became the national Spike Ball champion of the United States. Couple of weeks ago. So we're very proud of him. What is Spikeball? Spikeball is a new sport that's emerging from college campuses.

It's essentially like where you play tennis, but there's a small round net in the middle that's elevated like 8 inches off the ground. And you have teams of two and you, each of you all stand around the the net and like, hit the ball. I really don't know all the rules, to be honest, but he's like kind of one of the best in the world at it. Officially. Now he's officially one of the best in the world at a sport that we didn't know existed until you just told us.

But now we're excited. Listen, it's going to be, you're going to hear about it and it's it's a lot bigger than I guess you would think. But you probably been removed from the college campus system for a long time. But I'm saying let's just make an age joke. If anyone's tracking that, she just said I'm old. I just heard it. I laced it in a nice compliment, but I'll say 10 years and it'll be in the Olympics. Really. What about pickleball?

Is that going to take over to? Could be, I don't know. I don't know. Mentioned the Spikeball and gymnastics, OK, Did you do sports growing up? I I consider gymnastics a sport. Yeah, so I mastics. And then I had the Tommy Johns famous surgery on my elbow, moved to dancing and then broke my foot dancing. And so I decided, you know what? Maybe this isn't for me. So I started pursuing academic speech and debate and then built a YouTube channel and then switched to politics.

And so here I am now. Now, one of the things that people will detract from homeschoolers. My kids are home schooled down, too. But I went to, I went to traditional schools. People always used to say when I was growing up that homeschoolers end up weird and antisocial. You don't seem to be those things. Tell me about that. That's such a common stereotype, and to be honest, I've met quite a few of those types who really only their only social interaction were like the

chickens on the farm. And while we love and appreciate those people, we want to help them in every way possible. I think assuming that. You're just going to plop a kid into public school and they're going to be, they're going to come out the other end. Well socialised is kind of a really big assumption and a big risk. The type of home schooling that we did was we had a super big

community. The place specifically where we live in Montgomery County is known for being the homeschooling heaven of Texas. And so pretty much every other person is home schooled. There's a lot of home school churches, co-ops and things like that. So lots of resources here to be able to have a really, you know, wholesome and well rounded home school education, but we had to go out. And make our relationships intentional. We had to really curate

friendships ourselves. It took a lot of active work. We our house was like the big party house too, and having so many siblings, we were always having more people over. So really, while that is a stereotype that we've run into, I find that a lot of home schoolers are actually better socialised because they can talk to adults, they can hold real conversations, they have things to add to conversations, because generally I think the art of conversation has been completely

lost. We've become a generation of people who really only know how to react to things. It's almost like when we talk to people, all we know how to do is like, like or comment. And that's pretty much all that we can add to conversations anymore, Especially you see this in Generation Z. And so I find that homeschoolers are much more engaging in conversation and better socialised in that way because we've had to be so intentional about our relationships. I think that's a good,

interesting idea. Do you know that Daniel Tosh supposedly was home schooled as well? The comedian. Oh, I didn't know that. But that's that's good to know. Maybe that's why he's so snarky. He's got some pretty good, you think. Could be that. Or he's just a great writer. I think he's a great writer as well. All right, so did your parents follow a curriculum? I think that's the other thing. My my wife went out and found some curriculums. Did they follow a specific

curriculum? Were they making it up with their own? You got a dad with a bunch of degrees. He probably could figure it out. But how did that work out? Yeah. So at the beginning, my parents essentially went to a bunch of like home school conferences, which they truly do have those. And they shopped around at all these different places that had different curriculums for different subjects.

So the people we took math from were different than the people we learned history from or different than the people we learned grammar from. And they essentially just picked a pick and pick and choose whatever they decided what they wanted to, what they wanted to pursue. And then later in our education they put us into like a Co op who that was a classical education.

So we were able to. Really, instead of learning the basics of math and science and prepping for SAT, they would bring us in and say here's a Bible, here's a current events book, or here's a current event that's happening. You have 5 minutes to make a speech go. And we were graded on those types of things, How well we debated, defended our arguments, how well we discussed how well we gave speeches as opposed to traditional STEM activities.

And so that was really the the part of my high school education that was taken out of my parents hand. But they definitely laid the foundation with the curriculums they chose. Now you've described yourself as an anti feminist. What are the expectations when you were growing up? What were the expectations and were they different for for boys and girls in your family? No, Well. The expectations for me were and still are to choose well when I get married and to be a

Christian and. Really to just pursue what makes me happy and fulfilled and you know outside of having a beautiful and good marriage and also being a Christian. And so really the expectation for my parents has been do what you are filled by, but also don't forget about the things that really matter which are family and faith. And so essentially that's been the expectation for all of my siblings. We've all been really lucky because my dad's motto is money into memories.

And so we spent. He spends most of his money on us, making sure that we're taking care of, but also that we have. Been able to travel the world and pursue things that we've wanted to. We've never had a lack, which has been just so wonderful and has set us, set all of my siblings up for success and completely different areas, completely different industries. So yeah, the expectation really is.

Take your face seriously, marry well, meaning a good Christian person, and then appreciate family and just then pursue on top of that whatever makes you happy and fulfilled. I didn't hear that you had to be very successful in a particular career. There's none of the lawyer, the doctor thing that I kind of grew up with in the in the 80s and a lot of the sort of the Gen Xers remember that was the success. You know, if your kid was a lawyer or a doctor, they win.

Was there any push for that? Did you guys see that? Were you seeing your colleagues that had that sort of ideas and, you know, did you guys push back at all? I think my parents have an assuredness that all their kids are going to be sort of successful in their own ways.

And so my parents never specifically pushed that on to us. I think the only things that my parents pushed was, hey, if you're a guy, you should probably go to college because as it's looking, none of the girls in our family are going to go to college because I started my own business. My sister Laura is going to be a Broadway dancer and hopefully a Rockette one day. And then my other sister Annie is a fashion lifestyle, vlogging YouTuber who has almost so many million subscribers.

So we're all kind of trying to be successful in our own. Say the expectation for my peers, I would say there were definitely, you know, some families who the dad did this career and the son must do this career and the daughter must all

also follow suit. But my parents were never about forcing us to do anything because maybe it's just like the British Isles, Ness and the rebellious Scottish Fighting Irish that we have in us. But they knew that they couldn't exactly make us into who they wanted us to be. All they could do was guide and allow us to choose what we wanted to do and they would be our like assistance and our

support system along the way. So the approach though my parents took was very much they can guide, they can lead, and we will make sure that they're maintaining good morals. They're still learning how to read, they're still learning how to write, and we'll help them accomplish whatever they need to. And we'll be there every step of the way. Alright, fair enough. Let's talk about feminism a little bit, shall we? That's what you That's kind of where you made your bones.

Is that fair? Yeah, let's do it. What is feminism today? There are lots of people who would say it's a movement about equality and achieving equality. That's not true. Feminism today has become a movement that is focused on. Female domination over men and eradication of any perceived. Meaning not real male hierarchy. In any institution or in any place of power. So it's essentially A Marxist organisation of ideology that ties a woman's value to money. And is that good for women?

Is not good for women. Tell me some of the downfalls. What do you see from your end? Cause you're pretty young. There's a lot of people in, probably in my audience, that were driven to go to work. They were driven to be successful in careers, whatever that means. And you know, the definition of what was successful for women and what we were going to support as a society has morphed dramatically, even in my 40 years on the planet.

So I'm curious how you see it. How I see defining women's success or what are the pitfalls of feminism? Yeah, the pitfalls. What is it? What is it kind of changed into for them? Got it. Yeah. So. Well, I guess we need to start with where Marxism was basically the birth of feminism, So out of the French Revolution, like so many other bad ideas. That's where all the bad ideas in the world came from.

There was this group of women, middle class women, who were very unsatisfied with the lives that they had. And they decided, huh, let's start having a thought revolution and start just putting ideas into women's minds that we are. Being treated badly, we are oppressed like we are all the things that we want to claim the victim to. And essentially with that complaining mindset, they found Marxism and decided, I guess all men are oppressing all women everywhere.

And they kind of set up feminism within the framework of Marxism, which was men are oppressors, women are oppressed, men hold the power and they're actively trying to take away the power from women. And so essentially what that turned into was. The pursuit of achieving equality for. Everyone. But then shortly after achieving that, it morphed into OK, well, we need to keep going with this. So let's have women start

dominating men. And so the pitfalls of thinking that way is you get a bunch of women who are trying to not empower women or empower themselves, but to be and compete with men. Because essentially from the beginning, feminism asked the question, why are women not making as much money as men? Let's just take the most blatant example that they they always like to bring up the wage gap, right? And they say well, instead of how can we? Allow women to make more money.

It's been OK well, how can women compete with men to just beat men at the games that they play? So recently I posted a video saying that the question has never been what can we do to empower women with feminism? It's what can we do to compete with men or make women more like men? So the pitfalls of that, I think, are pretty obvious.

If you're a woman and you're trying to be masculine, or you're trying to be a man or you're trying to compete with a man in arena that is traditionally been an arena that only men compete. And one you're not going to do that. Well, you're not going to compete well, you're not going to be fulfilled and happy.

And in fact, you're going to end up a lot of times alone and lonely when you're in that arena because you're a woman competing against a bunch of men in an in a in a way that you think you need to compete against a bunch of men. So the pitfalls of that are why would a woman try and do something that a man should do? So women came up with this in the French Revolution, and then how did it morph into the United States? What was the sort of the the,

the foothold that it took here? That's a great question. This is like such a fun topic to talk about. So essentially after the French Revolution and of course you had a mass migration of people coming over and then you have the rise of real academia and the idea of let's just, you know, have all the crazy radical leftist ideas, let's have them

boiling in academia. And then we'll start talking to in peoples ears about what society should look like and what why Marxism is good and why this way of thinking is good. And so kind of a couple things were happening at the same time after the French Revolution. So you had the birth of real academia in the West generally, but you also had urbanisation and kind of the industrial revolution that happened, which for the first time took the economy away from the household.

So before this, for all of human history, the economy has been what can a household produce? And it was based first and foremost around the house and the family.

That was the basic unit. But as you have cities start cropping up and people actually going in to work and you have factories and you have efficiency becoming the main goal of a capitalist society, you see that since men traditionally are more fit to go work and don't have the quote unquote like the feminists like to call it, burden of childcare. Men would go into the cities and do the work and then either come back out or the whole family would move into the city.

And this is talked about in depth in this book, Feminism Against Progress. An excellent book, definitely. Should I definitely recommend it if you're in for an academic study. But so women started for the first time asking the question, well, why am I not allowed to quote unquote, participate in society? Because public and private life had been split because of the industrial revolution and where urbanisation and the use of factories and the de emphasis of the family was going.

So you have academia pushing these ideas of women's liberation and women domination, and actually let's frame feminism as a Marxist idea. And then you had the economy start changing, um, and you had all the the ways that people were able to make money completely changing and being more emphasised on individual productivity as opposed to the

families productivity. And then you had this societal wide split of public and private life and women often in like after the industrial revolution and as it was continuing into the 1900s, you had a lot of women who were saying, I don't know if I necessarily like this new way that the economy is formed. So you have all three of those things happening at once. And that's really where the idea of feminism started springing up.

And so feminism used to be an answer to an economic or trying to be that is, an answer to an economic question, to a legal question, to a social question, to a political question, and also to a biological question. Unfortunately, now you have the legal questions answered, which is, yeah, everyone can vote. Yeah, you can't get paid less because you're a woman. You know, you can't be discriminated against because of

your sex. But feminism, unfortunately, hasn't been able to answer the biological question, which is why are there differences between men and women? And now feminism's primary goal is to erase the differences between men and women. So a lot of times it sounds like I'm trying to just, like, put women back in the home, permanently repeal the 19th, you know, all of that kind of stuff.

I'm not trying to do that. I'm trying to help women understand that the way that the world has existed for like all of human history has not been focused on the individual, it's been focused on the family. And feminism had some good things that it helped accomplish. They're not responsible for all the accomplishments.

We can go into that in a little bit, a little bit later, but and then feminism just kept going and has really turned into something sour that is anti woman that is inherently extremely Marxist and is really just destructive for the feminine side of women which should never be discounted. My wife says, who thinks about these kind of things all the time? This is something that's probably more fascinating to her in a lot of ways.

She says that current feminism is essentially internalised misogyny and and it essentially has taken on masculine roles and pushed them on women and made women compete as men. It sounds like you guys would probably be in agreement on that. Do you have any sort of disagreements on that idea? I mean, your wife is exactly right and she sounds amazing, Lena Gordon said.

The nuclear family must be destroyed and people must find a better way of living together, Robin Morgan actually said, I feel that man hating is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have the right to class hatred against the class that is oppressing them. And actually this is a fun one. Sally Miller Gearhart had a couple pages in this essay called The Future.

If there was. If one is female, she said the proportion of men must be reduced to and maintain approximately 10% of the human race.

And so while I agree with your wife sentiment that yes, it's become this internalised completely, this internalised misogyny against men trying to replace men in any hierarchy and any structure to tear down the structures that we have, there's actually a something that takes it a little farther, where you're like, Oh no, these women want to hate men and destroy men and every chance that they get. Do you think any of them are happy? Oh, of course not.

My favourite example of this, and maybe you think I'm a little gruesome for thinking this is ironic, but Shulamith Firestone was a radical feminist thinker in the 1950s, sixties and 70s, and she absolutely hated the nuclear family. In fact, she said that the revolutionary or utopian goal of feminism was to Oh no, that was Kate Millett.

Shulamith Firestone said is it's the nuclear family is the most neurotic lifestyle that we've ever developed and we need to completely abolish it. And it means possible. Who's going to raise the kids, right? Well, here's how her story ended. She froze and starved to death in her own apartment. And people found her a month later because they started smelling that her body was decaying and she had no friends, really. She had no family.

And she was a super radical feminist that rejected marriage, that rejected family, that hated children, and that spent all of her life trying to just raise this ruckus about how women are oppressed. And so I always like to bring that up because that is the meanwhile. That is an extreme example. You don't want to go down a path where you are man hating. You are family hating.

You are life hating because there is a chance that you could end up like that, that no one you have, nobody close to you, nobody cares about you until they're starting to smell your rotting, dead body through the walls of your apartment. You want to know? The sad irony is, is that it was a man that broke in that door to go in and get her body out. It was probably a man or several men that carried her out of there. Because that's that's who does

those jobs. I'd say that as someone who's worked as a paramedic, has worked in law enforcement and has had to recover dead bodies, it's not a fun game. But I also would never wish it on my wife or my daughters. I don't want that for them. It's a burden that I would take on. There's something I want to kind of double back to because I want to use with you a little bit on this. Yeah. The dismantling of the nuclear family and that. It happened a lot during the Industrial Revolution when we

changed the nature of work. And and there's something kind of fascinating there. Do you remember maybe you don't know this. Elizabeth Warren wrote a book called The Two Income Trap. Have you ever seen her sort of evolution to be sort of a wild feminist from where she used to live in her mental state? To be completely honest, I haven't paid too much attention to her because she just sounds like a vapid, screaming old woman at this point.

She does, yeah. So I haven't read that, but I am. I'm aware of of what she talks about, yeah. So, so let me let me throw this into your lexicon because you might find this fascinating. Not so much because she's a great thought leader. I don't much care for Elizabeth Warren either. And she's got that, like, I'm gonna get me a beer or whatever. Those like weird videos of her just trying to be her person. She's trying so hard to be a person, right?

She's more like, she's more like a lizard person, I'm sure, but but she she didn't used to be. Looney. Her party has actually sort of run off and she's followed that like so many women her her age have decided that that's where the power structure is. So they're chasing that power. She used to advocate on behalf of a 2 income trap. Which is to say that men and women both working in the workplace would end up in a worse position.

Because rather than relying on one income and what we would call in the military a single point of failure, if you fail as a man and you're in the workplace, there's the potential that your cottage industry, you talked about taking the work out of the house, the cottage industry. Would be able to back you up. Maybe your wife has a selling business. Maybe your wife makes brownies

and sells them at a bake sale. I don't know, like whatever it is, maybe the woman that works at home, maybe she has. Maybe she's a counsellor like my wife and she works part time and she keeps that. So maybe she has that ability. My wife doesn't work right now other than taking care of kids. But if she did, she would she would she would work as a counsellor because that's what her degree was in.

And so if she were to go do that, she could theoretically supplement that that point of failure that I might have and be able to keep us floating. But what we've done, according to Elizabeth Warren, this is the fear she saw going back to, like, the early 2000s. In 2002, probably about the time you were born, we'd have to see when that actual book was written. But what she said was, is that if men and women both compete and they both put their incomes

into the market. You're going to have two incomes worth of competition for things like childcare, for things like homes, for things like schooling, private education, so on. And you're going to bump those prices all the way up to the point where now it's not 1 income that you're competing, it's two.

So a guy like me who has only has one income, I'm now competing against double income if I want to put my kids into private schools or to buy houses or everything else, and it's going to make it worse for everybody. And if one of those two fails, the mom or the dad has a problem. Now you've lost 50%. Or maybe you've lost 30% of your income and there's no one to make it up right? So this was the two income tract that Elizabeth Warren actually used to know about.

A lot of that sounds like it goes back to the industrial revolution. What you're saying is just fascinating to me. Yeah, it really does. Because if you just put, you know, 50% more people in the workforce, then you're going to have a lot more labour to go around. Therefore prices are not or labour and and what people can make, the prices are not going to go up. Like wages have not gone up and obviously you have inflation and you have taxes and you have all

the macroeconomics competing. For example, like in a minimum wage proportional proportional to inflation from like 100 years ago should be $55. But it's obviously not because just that's how the dollar is and it's based on debt and it's based on nothing at this point. So yeah, and I think wages haven't grown for so long because of obviously the macroeconomics of it, but because there is so much more

labour to go around. And essentially when feminism adopted Marxism as the framework in which they thought it came along with the consequences of hyper almost capitalism saying, you know what a woman's value is not the fact that she brings life into the world, that she's a culture creator, that she's beautiful, all the things it said. No woman's value is her productivity as well. Because Americans, while we love the individualism we have, you know, hyper individualism is not great either.

And so if we continue pushing the idea that productivity is on an individual level based on how much, I'm sorry, value is on an individual level based on how much productivity you have, and then you have a bunch of women into the workforce, then you were in the situation that we're in. And I'm really worried for Generation Z because not everyone generational wealth isn't really a thing in America.

It's not really a thing all around the world and in the West generally anymore, But how like we're screwed. All the land has pretty much been bought up. Rent is extremely expensive, food is expensive. How is anyone in my generation going to be able to get ahead outside of having super big entrepreneurial dreams or you know, really fancy white collar jobs like being a lawyer or being a doctor which take almost, you know, $500,000 to be able just to practise law or to be a doctor.

So it's just like the cost of entry so high now that I just don't know how my generation's going to get ahead. And again, I don't think the the fix for this necessarily is taking all women out of the workforce. That's not practical. I wouldn't want to put a bunch of women out of work just to accomplish my anti feminist

goals. But our generation Gen Z, we have a very serious conversation about like how in the world are we going to be able to do this if two incomes is completely the norm, but nobody's making the same amount of money and prices keep going up. And and women don't seem to be any happier because of it, at least when we look down the line of the 5067 year old feminist who may or may not die in their apartment alone and have their cats eat their face kind of

thing, right? I mean, that was always the fear when I was a kid that people would talk about, oh, you don't want to end up alone and have your cats eating you like the crazy cat lady sort of stigma. It's still there. It's still. There and and it's real because

there are some really angry. Do you think some women that are in that age bracket, the 50s through the 70s, maybe even the the early 80s, are pushing this because they're vindictive and they feel like they got conned and they want your generation to eat it too, Have some of that? Yeah. No, that's such a good point. And I think there's a lot of truth to that because misery loves company more than anything

else. And so if you're miserable and have been tricked and you bought into a scam for your whole entire life and you have no one around you, you have no children, you have no husband, you have nothing to pour your energy in, that natural want to give, that women have, what are you going to do? You're going to turn into a sour, bitter, old person who is miserable and has been eaten and eaten up and chewed up and spit out by the world.

And so of course you're going to want to have people buy into it. Now, there obviously are many stories that I've seen, many women who are like, yeah, man, I bought into that feminist lie and that is, it is not good women. I've known personally stories published as op eds and editorial opinion pieces around the news. Like, you'll occasionally see a story pop up of, yeah, I really regret the decisions that I made because of feminism.

But until women decide to really wake up and see that this is such a rotten deal for them and it's such a scam, then you know they're just going to continue to do it because all our older women are telling us no, no, it's the best thing that you could do. I love the fact that I'm an executive assistant to the CEO. I'm submitting to another man outside of submitting to my husband. In fact, I divorced my husband and got half of his land anyway. It's great. Gross, right.

So gross. It's really gross. It I I do feel like there's an awakening though, that's happening that women are starting to look at it and think they got a raw deal. I heard people like Brett Cooper the other day say that sort of thing. She's just like, you know, we're sort of programmed to do something very different and we're fighting against our nature. She's very young. You're pretty young. You've got some pretty advanced ideas compared to what, you know, it took my wife years.

We didn't figure this out and thing out until we were in our 30s and you seem really ahead of the curve. Are there people in your age bracket that are starting to look and go like maybe you guys don't have to figure out? You don't seem that happy. Ah, yeah, no, that's it's actually so incredibly true. I go to a lot of college campuses and I talk about why feminism is terrible.

And of course, like, I have, like, people with septum piercings and purple hair, like, in the audience, like scowling at me, like making such angry comments muttering to themselves. And I'm like, OK. But the vast majority of these girls are girls who put in effort. They dress nice, they're beautiful, they're feminine. And they're like, yeah, like, I love the college experience I'm getting. I'm really thankful. But I don't want to have to just

work for the rest of my life. That doesn't sound great, but I have to work because I got a pair of these student loans, because it's not fair to lump that onto a husband. You know, right? As soon as you get married. Yeah, somebody should have told my wife that I help. We paid for her masters together. See, that's the thing. I know I. Didn't supposed to be done. That's what you do. You buy into the whole thing. Who cares? Yeah, you buy into all of it. And yeah, I didn't go to

college, so I'm. I'm hoping that. Way ahead of the curve. I don't think my kids are going to go either. I mean that's that's that's the natural. So here's the fun thing, right? Because we're seeing this happening right now. You're actually sort of in the maelstrom and your and your age bracket is in the maelstrom of people making that turn. When I was a kid, if you didn't go to college. You were going to be a failure. That was assured, right.

And there's a big amount of money that you were going to be, you're going to be missing out on. My wife, I think we paid 25 or $30,000 for her masters. At the end of it. I know I ended up paying, I don't know, something like that, 10 or $15,000 for my undergraduate degree that wouldn't get you a year right now in most state schools, people your age bracket. So you're seeing something very different and it's kind of interesting how you guys are pushing back.

I say you guys, but it's you and and and people that have that awareness like you do. And you're saying, hey, maybe maybe college isn't required for everybody. By the way, that's the also. The position of all of human history. It used to be just for the elites, right? I don't know why we thought everyone had to have it. Why did Why did everyone have to go to college, you think? And yeah, and I think just

because Americans could. And college used to be a sign of wealth and being in a higher class than other people. But I think what boomers hate to realise is like, class doesn't really exist in America anymore. You have different social groups and you have different levels of income. But we don't have that same rigid class system that a lot of people like to harken back to and feel like they're superior because they went to a specific college.

I mean, if you say you went to Harvard, I'm like, OK, whatever doesn't affect me. Like you're probably just severely in debt and have a bunch of quirky and kooky ideas and so yeah, you're you. We are really seeing this turn of people saying, yeah I don't really need that. Mostly because I mean it's kind of a supply and demand thing because college I don't think will ever go away.

But at college is accessible to almost everyone because there's so many scholarships and loans and all these different ways that you can get into college that now it's really a thing that is not actually special. So what's special is you're 21 and have built a six figure business.

Like in the case that I have and so I'm I'm becoming kind of the anomaly outside of like oh people parents look at me and they're like whoa, I don't know really what what to do with you because I can't ask you what your degree is and what your internships are. They don't exactly know how to deal with me sometimes. But here's another thing.

Conservatives often have this idea that well I don't support college but like if you're going to be a lawyer or doctor or an engineer, then you should like really go to college. I think that is the stupidest thing. I mean I even used to say it's it's so stupid. You should go to college and you should like Michael Knowles says, Once you study dusty old books and old people, you know page pages of of philosophy and you should want to like.

Look at old art pieces. That's what higher education should be. It shouldn't be a training ground for you to be able to practise a job just like my entry level of practising, like being a social media manager. That's what I do like. I just have to have like a subscription and Final Cut Pro and a subscription to Canva and then I'm good like the entry levels, like 400 bucks.

But for someone like my boyfriend, who's going to be a lawyer, he's going to have to pay a lot more than 400 bucks to be able to practise the thing that he wants to. I think that law firms, that engineering firms, that hospitals and places like that should be the ones providing the training and the standardised training that you get, almost

like a trade school. So I think it's so silly when people like, well, if you're going to be a lawyer, doctor, engineer, it's like, no, you should go to college to expand your mind and study old books and classical things and music and things that you can't get anywhere else, AKA work experience. I would say in this 20 years ago, this is very interesting to hear from your mouth because I

used to think it was so funny. It's it's actually used to be considered an elitist position to say that only a few people should go to college. They're the people that can afford leisure, that have money, that have parents with money or whatever, and they go study things that actually have no tangible value. But it's nice that people know them, like philosophy and Latin and can tell you in the original Greek what Aristotle said about the nature of the universe.

Talk about Noel. Well, I I compared Plato and I saw this was the thing and this is the idyllic version. This is what the historical arguments were for and against democracy and oligarchy. Oh, very good. I love that. Very nice. What do you do with that? Thing I can't even turn a wrench. I don't even have a like, Plumb my house, right? And you're correct, there's something about do you need your accountant? Do you have an account, by the way, that handles your business?

Yes. Do you need your accountant to have a discussion with you about Western Civilization levels 123 and four that he probably had to take or she had to take going through college? You need that Western SIV conversation. No, I don't. Although my accountant is pretty epic and we do have those conversations just right. Because they had to go. Maybe that's something that they were interested in, but my account really, if they wanted to get that degree in.

In 18 months, I'd be comfortable with that, yeah. It's like competency. Know what the law is. Make sure that you can count the money, right? Your math skills are on point. You don't even need to know how to do complex math. Turns out financial math is not that complicated. So there is an argument for trade school and then actually restoring that sort of elite level of education only for the people that really can afford leisure. That'd be fun.

Or for people who just really want to pursue that. I mean, I don't know that college should go back to being a completely only thing for the quote unquote upper classes. Because I think that a rigid class system, while it has its benefits, I don't think that's what America has been built on and won't be something that does very well for us. Because rigid class systems, we've only seen it really be successful in Britain, but that was because of Christianity.

So maybe we shouldn't focus on it being just something for the quote unquote elites or the wealthy. But we should have it only be focused on expanding the mind, going into deeper truths, talking about we we say useless things like philosophy, but I love philosophy. It's very. Other two, you can't understand the world without it. We need philosophers just doesn't. It just doesn't pay well.

It turns out you you may have to be successful, it may have to be a hobby, or you may have to be able to do that as sort of a leisure pursuit because you already have some financial abilities. The upside is, is that you're growing up in Internet age when everybody can find the entire collected history of the world. On their phone, they can walk around with it in their pocket. Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely

true. They can also find pornography and things that sort of destroy women's value in a lot of ways. Does it, Do you see that in some of the things that you've been discussing? And do you guys, do you talk about that at all in college campuses? I have definitely seen it. There are tonnes and tonnes of women who attack me from every angle every single day. When I say, yeah, only fans is not a good job or a woman shouldn't sleep around or you should not embrace feminism.

Because feminism has the tendency, the awkward tendency, to re objectify women when it comes, when it comes down to it, because we're taught now that Cardi B is the most empowered, should be lauded as the most glorious person ever. And I'm like, well, she's actually just jiggling on the stage, like objectifying herself for everyone. Houses, prying eyes and only fans and pornography. Those industries, I believe, are exactly the same.

And they go, they do go hand in hand in terms of what they tell women. So we have so many societal forces telling women that it's interesting actually, let me go back to 2nd wave feminism, because second wave feminism was focused on the idea that women are more than their bodies and their bodies are something that should be, only, you know, used for men, but also women should be able to love whoever they

want. So you had this like weird tension going on of half the 2nd wave feminists saying no, we should erase the female body because it has too much power, and then the other half saying that no, we should just a rates all sexual mores and sexual norms and just have free love for everyone. So you have these two movements happening in the kind of the 1960s and 70s.

Then then it got to about something in the 1990s and the academics types that were wanted androgyny wanted women's bodies to like not be marketed everywhere. They kind of, they kind of got a little bit quieter then and the pop culture, Spice Girls kind of MTV girly started really taking hold and saying, you know what, my body gets views.

So I'm going to use my body in whatever means possible, because if my value is a woman's based off of my success, and I find a lot of success by doing it naked music videos and filming pornography or just, you know, making a spectacle of myself, and I'm going to pursue that because that is empowerment and that is where my values coming from.

So really going into the 2000s with the rise of social media and also the rise of just like not, I guess arise technically, but you have a lot of broken families where girls aren't growing up in a stable environment. They've never been loved and cherished by their dad because the only way that a girl has confidence is because of her that 100%. The only way she'll know how to

be loved is because of her dad. And so a lot of fatherless homes have these girls who turn out totally crappy and seeking attention and love and admiration in all the wrong places. So they naturally go to TikTok. They naturally go to places like only fans because not only is it giving them instant gratification of getting tonnes of views or a paycheck every two weeks or something like that, it's also filling the tank that they believe is getting filled

with love. But of course, we know that only fans is not a way to fill the the love tank in your life. So yeah, I mean it's interesting how you had to competing ideas of where a woman's body and value comes from in the second wave of feminism, but the one that appeals to men's and women's most bases desires ended up winning out.

And now we have 15 year olds who are wearing nothing but eye patches over their boobs on, you know, TikTok flaunting themselves around thinking that their empowerment and their value comes from views. It's I hadn't thought about it that way. So I appreciate the idea that we are tying now the financial value because if women have to be financially successful and if that requires them to do something that is promiscuous or non valuable for their self, they're basically sacrificing themselves.

But you know one of the downstream consequences also only a very small number of women can be successful in that right. So if you go look at the the number of women that are making a tonne of money on only fans, you know the the the 1st, 20 or 30 are making shocking amounts of money, 1115 million. We covered this on my podcast at one point. Like millions of dollars.

Per month after the take that the the company gets, which is also making a tonne of money, they're the ones who really win, but there's got to be a lot of people that are also making very little money. Right. And they have all the same risk and exposure and all the same downsides that might happen without the millions of dollars to compensate them. Yeah, absolutely.

But of course it's kind of like any multi level marketing scheme like oh, if you just really work at it, you will and can be successful. And it's like well, again, we we have yet to see a lot in all of these spiritual, emotional, just scars that women are going to have to endure because of this.

The ones who are participating in it and also the ones who are not participating it because you have the people who are acting and then you have the people who are hearing, Oh, well, if if she's making a bunch of money on this and she thinks it's OK, well then how does that affect me? And how does that affect my my decisions and what I'm thinking about and what I'm validating? So, you know, you have this very loud minority who said I make $1,000,000 every single month on this. It's crazy.

It's insane. It's super easy. You can do it too. And girls are like, well, she seems happy and she's making money because since my value is is I have to be successful, I have to make money, Femininity has no consequence and it doesn't even matter anymore. Then, Nan, I'm going to, I'm going to pursue that too. And yeah, sex work is real work. And that's the inevitable

conclusion of what we have here. Which is really scary stuff I think what what does that the downstream effects for interpersonal relationships have to be pretty extreme too and and your generation is going to sort of deal with it in a bigger way. I'm happy that you're in a productive relationship that

looks like it's going somewhere. That's not necessarily the case where a lot of your your peers or at least your age bracket peers are looking at most of them are probably in the same the same both that like my wife and I thought like, oh, you got to use your 20s and figure out how to get married. Maybe when you're 30s and but that time you're actually old. I can tell you this. I'm like, I have a new baby. I'm 41. I'm old to have a new baby

because I'm really tired. Like like I'm I'm a lot more mature than I was when I was a kid, no doubt about it. But I watched one of my friends, one of my buddies actually has kids that are in college right now and and and my oldest is 6. So that's the that's the sort of the the flip right. The cost is, is that some of these, these your peers are going to be dealing with something very difficult, I

think. And what are those downstream effects look like of, you know, sexualization and and and devaluing sort of femininity and all this kind of stuff. Yeah. First of all, congratulations on your new baby. That's so exciting. I cannot wait for my time. It'll be amazing when it happens. But Oh my goodness, where do we start with the downstream, the, the downstream effects? I mean, let's, I guess we'll start with just the plain

romantic relationship. You have men who are addicted to very intense and violent images of pornography or worse. And then, you know, you have men who are experiencing real difficulty in having a connection with someone. I mean, I don't know. I'm not married yet. So, you know, this is just what I've been hearing from guys who are, who are addicted to this kind of stuff.

They have a very difficult time connecting with a real woman in real life because she's not an only fans model who has $1,000,000 every single month to do a bunch of cosmetic work and a bunch of editing to every image or video that she puts out. So you have the devaluing of women. You have men not being able to fully connect with and engage with a real woman who you know is in real life and she's not only fans.

Model. And then you have, yeah, you have the desensitisation of the, the power that sexual relationship probably has on a person's spirit and on their mind and on their body. And so, you know, as a Christian, protecting your heart is one of the most important things that you can do. It says this, I think in Proverbs 320 or 420, I think it's 320, it's guard your heart above all else. And so I assume you've probably seen Harry Potter, Is that correct?

OK. So I think about it in this way in terms of how the there are going to be repercussions for women. So through the whole Harry Potter, you know, and I'm also not one of those who wouldn't watch Harry Potter. I get it with the hyper, really hyper strict people. I'm just not one of those. So the bad guy, Voldemort, essentially the first movie starts out with him, him like not being him being like attached to that guy's head or whatever.

So it turns out that his soul, Voldemort soul has been split into a bunch of different places and cast all around the Harry Potter world. And he has to spend 8 movies or eight books collecting all of the parts of his soul and putting them back together so that he can like take over the world. I see a woman who sleeps around a lot like Voldemort. She has doled out parts of her soul all around the all around the world.

So all these random guys, whether it's viewers on only fans or whether it's just casual relationship hookup relationships that she's having, she's doling out pieces of her soul to all these people. But unlike Voldemort, she ain't going to be able to go and collect those again. Because once your soul's gone, like you don't have like little totems or little time pieces that you can just go recollect it and magic spells to put it all back together.

So I I'm watching women voluntarily shatter the beauty and the femininity and the purity that they have by seeking love in all the wrong places. And that really is the biggest downstream effect from women or for women in regards to this

hyper sexualized industry. And then the final thing I'll mention as how it's going to affect women is, you know, a lot of very valiant feminists who maybe hadn't bought into the whole picture of radical feminism and man hating and not shaving your armpits and things like that and to at least appreciated a woman's value said, you know what, I don't want to be objectified. I just want to have, you know,

my life and keep to myself. But unfortunately, now you have girls who are willingly object re objectifying themselves for money. And so apparently it's not OK if a man is objectifying you on his own accord, but it is OK if you're doing it and objectifying yourself for money. So I'm always like, where's the consistency there? But those are just a couple of the consequences for relationships and what my generation's going to face in the future. Yeah, really uncharted

territory. It seems like too. So let's talk about fixes, because nobody likes to just to dwell on the negativity. I think we all see that the world is falling. We know that we are living in an area that is outside the Garden of Eden, and so be it. So how do we exist in this world? What are some of the things? That the advocacy that you're doing specifically towards women, but also how you interact with young men, kind of explaining to them maybe pitfalls and pathways out of this.

The first thing I always focus on is just helping women understand their own brains. There is so much of a culture of self help and understanding yourself in psychology and you know any ground tests in Myers Briggs and personality tests. And it comes to a point where it's like we may know a lot of things but we really don't truly understand ourselves. What our prime motivators are, what motivates us, what drives us as women who are different than men.

So the first thing I always focus on is I'm like girls, you're different than a guy. You have different wants, you have different needs, you have different things that you are attracted to or deterred by you, You are just different. And isn't it ironic that I'm spending most of my time talking about the difference between men and women now? It should be so obvious. But as we know with Matt Walsh's documentary What is a Woman? You know we're we're back at the

basics. So I spend a whole lot of my time explaining the differences of the once and needs, just kind of unravelling what the feminists have told women for so long. You know, feminism tells women you want a career, you don't want to be married, you don't want a family. All you want to be is completely liberated and Unchained to a society and you want no responsibility and you want to have no accountability to anybody else. But all of those things are

completely false. So I spent a lot of my time rewiring how women should perceive themselves, perceive their value and perceive their place in opposed, you know, as as different from men. So that's the first thing that I focus on. The second thing is, you know, feminism preaches that it's accomplished 2 things for women, freedom and happiness. So those are the 2 main, you know, banners that feminism is like, we've done this for you and you owe your loyalty to us because you're a woman.

It's like, well let's examine and see if feminism has really accomplished those things. Women are not happier today. I mean, literally you can see this in the numbers. There's a study called the Decline the paradox of Women's Declining unhappiness and it basically examines the self reported levels of happiness of women from the 1970s until now. And obviously, spoiler alert, women are not happier today for

a multitude of reasons. And, you know, you can see that women are not happy pretty much at all. And then women are technically, I argue, not more free. Yes, we're allowed to vote. Great. OK, we do that once every four years, and then once every two years if we're actually dedicated and vote in primaries. But like, yeah, we have the right to vote, but at the expense of what? Everything else.

The life of a beautiful woman, a feminine biblical woman who can be free to enjoy her family, to enjoy her husband, to enjoy the life that they can create together. Because now she's a slave to the 9:00 to 5:00, you know, work week, 40 hour work week. She's a slave to probably half the prescripted drugs that she's been prescribed.

She's probably a slave to birth control and goes completely crazy because that you should never mess with your hormones, especially by injecting A synthetic hormone into a bioidentical hormone. So ridiculous. But their slaves to their base desires, their slaves to their they're just worst emotions, no accountability, no nothing.

And so I always try and tell women I'm like, if you really want freedom and happiness and there's different way of receiving it and then, you know, kind of going and talking about how traditional roles and biblical structure can be able to replenish and replace that. So I guess all of this is summarised in a in a message of women, you aren't happy, obviously, and you know that to be true. Stop lying to yourself and saying that you are happy and fulfilled by the things that you're doing.

And guess what? We have an alternative. And it's better and it's much more fun and you will long term be so much more joyful that you've done that. And so I really enjoy this trade wife movement, women showing off their beautiful family lives, what they do at home. She's baking banana bread or if she's going out with a pretty dress on with her children. I think that is going to really inspire a lot of women who think, yeah, this is a scam and I I really do want something better.

So anyone who is a trad wife and posting content like that, I really encourage you to continue and just keep painting a positive moral vision about how beautiful your life is. Because that's the thing that essentially is going to win the girls over pretty easily coming up against feminism. They just have to be able to really tangibly see the the different life that they could have outside of what feminism

has painted for them. I want to see a movement of trad wives that are like the real trad wives of America, where they're like, I don't have time for makeup, my hair hasn't been washed in two days, my kids are pooping on my clothing. You know, I had a baby spit up on me. But there's nothing more fulfilling because because that's what for me, it's one way to curate your your, your life and show everybody. My wife always tells me she's

like, look at these people. They got all these kids, they got these, like, you know, the animals, they got this thing. They're making butter this lady doesn't like. Podcast. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. She has someone else cleaned her house. She has to pay other people to do stuff. There's no way she's doing all the things that we're doing because we're just treading water. And you know, good for her for making that kind of money.

But if that's what the real world of it is, like busting your ass with one other person and it's just you and them against the rest of the world. Like it's always been. You brought up faith, You brought up the the, the pill. I want to touch on that a second. There was a funny little moment and I did this on my podcast. I shared it. I actually got copyright infringement from YouTube about it.

I I showed Joe Rogan. And he does this amazing moment where he was like, we don't really fully understand how to make human beings happy. If only there was like a guidebook or a manual that would show us, like, how to optimise human existence. And he walked right up to it, yeah, but he couldn't get there. He's so close. He was raised Catholic the way that I was. He was raised with the Bible. He was raised knowing that there was a Christian faith that made people even the most miserable.

Existences, like human beings, have not had it really good for most of their existence, but they figured out how to find happiness. Joe Rogan almost got there. He was almost there. He's got too much money to figure out that the Bible is right there in front of him. He could just buy one. Let's talk about, let's talk about abortion and the pill as sort of like the answer for feminism and sort of what that that cost looks like, you think? Oh my gosh, yes. Such a I can't believe we

haven't touched on this already. It's just such an important facet of feminism. So you know. You have feminists asking the question, how can we erase any inequality to make women just like men? And eventually you get them the right to vote, You get the Civil Rights Act, you do all those things, you're eventually going to run into the question of biology and. There is a remarkable and very distinct difference between men and women in terms of biology, as we should know by now.

Apparently we don't. That you know, the feminists, they they they believe, they truly believe that the right to abortion, the right to end another person's life, is a fundamental human right. Because it accomplishes equality and it simply makes women the exact same as men. Because any inequality is perceived as the worst evil in the world and any difference. Is perceived as equality, which is perceived as the worst, the worst thing in the world.

So you know, you, you had them run up to biology and say OK well fine, we need to be able in the name of equality to eradicate. Women's ability or yeah, women's, women's privilege of having children. And so that's where birth control, the motivation for creating birth control, while also birth control, was completely a eugenicist. Idea and Margaret Sanger, who Major League championed it, was also, like best, used Hitler.

So we can't overlook that fact. And let's talk about the fact that like 85% of Planned Parenthood's were put in minority neighbourhoods with lots of people of colour to basically sterilise the black population in America. Because there's a whole documentary called. Oh, I don't remember what it's called, but it's by Live Action and you should definitely go watch it if you want to see the completely racist roots of birth control and abortion. They're great, by the way. What live action?

They're great. So good, so good. Always on top of it. But I would also like to mention one more thing that isn't it interesting that. The legalisation of over the counter and easy, easily accessible birth control happened eight years in eight. It happened in eight years. And then eight years later abortion was legalised because there was this whole idea that women were just like getting pregnant and having like a bunch of kids and then they had to do like back alley abortions.

What's like abortion didn't become legalised until after birth control was widely used and so you always have to think about like, why is that? But essentially, abortion is the answer to the feminist question of How do we? Erase any distinction between men and women biologically, and the gruesome end answer to that question is just the death of. A million children a year. Yeah. They just have to sacrifice all the babies, right?

How do you answer women when they say, well, you're just trying to control women's bodies? Because that's the answer. They say if you're a pro life, man. Yeah. They say, well, you're just trying to control women's bodies. I'm like, no, I only wanna kind of guide one woman's body. I don't really care about the rest of you except actually like babies. I think they're awesome, You know, Would you if you weren't

killing them? And if you admit that you're killing babies, which most of them have a hard time, they they want to change the words like foetus, and they want to use this. But how do you get over there? You just want to control women's bodies and tell them how to act. Yeah, well I on the language of it. First of all, say do you know what foetus means? In Latin, me as a classically educated person who had to take Latin is the only language credit I ever had.

Foetus literally means offspring or baby. And so if you just, like, translate it, you know, put it into Google Translate and then just press convert like, you'll be fine. You'll understand the actual truth of what is being said. So I mean, first of all, on the semantic point, we have all the evidence we need because of Latin, but. This is a super fun conversation because of course I'm going to go with the traditional, well, it's actually not a woman's body.

I am not trying to control a woman's body. I'm trying to control the ability of a woman to kill another person. And so this is where they always, you know, roll their eyes because of course, that's the basic talking point. But I was taking a step further. I always say, OK, let's talk about the science. So did you know at the moment of conception, there is a 100% new blueprint of DNA? There is a like distinct piece of DNA that has been created with everything coded into it.

Eye colour. Hair colour, personality traits, all the things that you need it at the moment of conception. And so I say, OK, so assuming that this DNA is going to continue to grow and get coded, you know, and turn into the person that it's supposed to be, what is the difference between me right now and me in the moment of conception when all of my DNA was set out basically just to to unfold and I say what? Well, what is the difference? And the only right answer is time.

The difference is 21 or a little bit over that years from moment of conception until me now. So then I I lean in and I say, are you discriminating based on age? Are you being ageist? I cannot believe how intolerant you are being against people who are only three months coded into the DNA process. I cannot believe how intolerant you're being. And then you get them to stutter and then use their sputter and then they just run away.

So you always have to take that little argument a oh, it's not your body a step further, and then turn it back on them. And accuse them of being discriminatory in some way. Because as we know, to the left, discrimination is the worst evil of mankind. Worse than the Holocaust. Everything's worse than the Holocaust. Everything Worse than Hitler. Except Hitler. Hitler's the worst. Right. Except Hitler. That's that's the paradox of being a leftist is that you have to deal with that.

It's, it's kind of interesting. I'll have these discussions with my mother in law. She'll actually admit, yes, it's a human being. It's an inconvenient human being. And that's why we have to kill. That's kind of hard to to run up against because now we've moved into a place of morality where it's like, Oh well, you're you're OK with with child death. Wow. It's just a matter of and and there are people that feel that

way. And I feel like that once you expose that, it's like, well, we probably not going to connect on values in this in this world. Right. And well, when you're talking to them, there's always a third person. If you're you're having a a conversation with someone who you get them to admit, yeah, I don't care about children, I want to kill babies. You say at that point you're not trying to win over that person, you're trying to win over the third person, the audience.

You are trying to win over the person who is watching and basically make yourself the rational person. Because if you can't win the person you're arguing over, then you win the audience over and they're going to decide that you win the conversation or win the debate anyway. And so you always need to remember the third person in the room whenever you're engaging in these conversations and

highlighting the difference. And here's another just tactical thing that I think conservatives really need to get better at. We for so long have. Stayed in the realm of of just. Not using our emotions. And I know like facts don't care about your feelings and that's great, but we need the pathos, OK? When they say I'm fine with killing children, you need to make sure that you are reacting honestly to the crazy thing that they just said.

Because when we say men can't become women, it's like as bad as the first time I drove a car with my mom in the passenger seat, it was, Oh my gosh, you're going to kill us all. That's the worst thing. That's, you know, they react like we're the crazy ones, we're not the crazy ones. And So what we have to do is when they say, yeah, I'm fine with killing children, we need to react.

We need to shame them, we need to mock them, We need to marginalised terrible, dangerous ideas and we need to basically win over the other people with. Our reaction saying, did you really just say that? That is crazy. So I think if we can start almost weaponizing our reactions because we've we've been so desensitised. But it's like think about what they're saying and then react

accordingly. And they're going to start feeling that social pressure and being like, yeah, maybe my position isn't great based on the way that the audience just reacted to what I just said. Because we know that social pressure is really powerful. And so if we can turn that against them, then we'll have a lot better chances of actually advancing the narrative along with the facts and logic. But that's just a housekeeping. Point that I would really like

to promote a little bit more. Adding a little bit of the pesos to the argument. Adding a little bit more of that reaction which people should be able to see. I had one of those moments on social media, by the way, I think yesterday and and somebody, a trans person who I believe is a female, who calls herself a male, which is very weird as a male because you can't become like me, it's not going to happen. You and I could not be the same

thing. I promise you I will always be able to beat you in an armoured competition. I don't even want to, but I can. If I could just tell you by looking at you, I can. I guarantee it. I will Absolutely. I bet every penny I have it's it's just the way it works out and and she reacted to me like a female did. She felt very offended and she went off in this emotional and it was like I was like you know who doesn't react like you men. Men don't.

It's just like you can't escape your biology sister. I know you're trying you're trying so hard. One of the things that you do, you advise young women sort of the the ways to look for what a successful relationship is going to look like in this post crappy feminist world where we actually kind of go back to the values that make sense. What values are you looking for and and do you value in your personal relationship that you're saying?

This is what I'm modelling. This is why it works out and this is how we find it. Yeah, the 1st and biggest. Of course, it's the obvious one. It's faith. I mean, is the person that you're dating equally yoked? Are they actively pursuing a relationship, a very intimate relationship, with the Lord? Are they in a state of constantly wanting to grow and improve or are they in a state of oh, I'm fine, I'm just coasting, everything's great and

fine. So that's the first thing you need to look out for and, you know, be very serious about them. My, my boyfriend and I, the only disagreement we have is essentially when you should baptise children. He's a Pedo Baptist, which means baptised when they're babies and I'm a Credo Baptist, which is when they reach salvation, That's when you need to get

baptised. And obviously all of that is not exactly salvation issues, but you know, we don't disagree on anything else to do with faith and that really is the foundation of our relationship, so. You need to find someone who takes their faith extremely seriously and uses their faith as a vehicle to examine and improve themselves. Because really, marriage, from what I've heard from all the marriage experts, is marriage is just forgiving someone over and over and over and over again.

And if you find someone who sits in unforgiveness or you sit and unforgiveness, then you're going to have a rocky marriage and you're not going to be able to improve anything. Because unforgiveness is the biggest foothold that Satan has in relationships and just in our personal lives for sure. So that's the first thing. Something to that for you, so you can add it to your lexicon. You ready?

I think if you're doing it right, it's you realising that you need forgiveness, not forgiving somebody else. Ah, it's whoever asks for forgiveness first wins. Always. In the case of my boyfriend, it's definitely him. It's it's it's hard because it involves humility. Imagine that.

Yeah, you'll figure but. But if you think about, but if you want to look at a Christian principle, it's simply it it always comes down to look for the the plank in your own eye versus the speck in your in your neighbours or in your case, your spouse. If you can do that, you win. It's really hard. That's why. It's one of the things that we all struggle with for our whole lives. I'll just tell you that that's my, that's my thing. Whenever I know that I did the

wrong thing first. And it's very hard for me because I always think I'm right. It's it is my nature. I'm very dominant in that way. But by doing that you actually win. And and my wife is really good at it too, because she, she trained it. She has a marriage and family therapist. She's a masters in it. So she spent a lot of time studying people's. She sounds absolutely perfect, to be honest. She's she's saying it. It takes a special kind of woman to deal with certain types of men.

It turns out. And it turns out that that's kind of the way that we're we're meant to pair up. Right. OK. So faith, what I heard from because I want to broaden this out for people that are not necessarily in a faith tradition, but that's similar values and a similar hope for the future, is kind of the short way of saying what you just said That makes sense. Yeah, similar goals and a similar a similar way of dealing with conflict that will come

into your marriage. Because, you know, like you said earlier, it's it's you against the world. When you're with your spouse, it's team US against everything else that's happening. And if you can't, if you don't have accurate processes to deal with life as it comes at you and as it's all hitting the fan, then everything is just going to

erupt. And people especially who are more on the passionate side and the yelling side of things, who like, you know, maybe are a little a little bit fighting Irish like me, maybe maybe inclined towards a little more drama. A little bit more drama. You know that's not going to be something healthy. You need to learn when to disarm and when to put the weapons down and say, OK, who's the enemy here? It's not my spouse. It's not.

It's not us. Since each other, it's it's really, you know, I would say Satan, but for people who are less rights, the mailman who didn't deliver the package on time even though I ordered it too late, right, that's. Exactly. That's exactly next. Did you see your parents have conflict and and resolve it in ways that you try to emulate? Yeah, definitely. And I, since I have so many siblings, I've seen them all

kind of take that route as well. And yeah, resolve conflict in a way that is patient and God honouring. And I'm still working on it, being such a passionate, debating kind of person who is a verbal sniper whenever I need to be. So learning self control over the tongue is really, really an important thing in in relationships. But yeah, yeah, it's been great. Also, you're in a major danger if you plan on marrying a boyfriend who's going to be a lawyer.

He's getting formalised, training in arguments and and catching you in your own words. So this is going to be interesting for. You. Yeah. I don't think you necessarily wants to be a litigator. So I think I'm in the clear a little bit there. But yeah, it's how they learn how to how to think. I have a brother who's who thinks that way. He always thinks he's the best debater at this point because it's a different way of looking at the problem. But I'll tell you.

The the my boyfriend. He is one of the only people who could actually genuinely beat me in a debate. He's the only person who could ever convince me that gravity is not real, even though I know he's wrong. He's he is that smart. But. Yeah. So he has to use that responsibly then? Right, right. Right. So yeah, I mean, generally though, in relationships it's the similar values. It's how do you deal with conflict?

And remembering who the enemy is is just a really, really important facet of what to look for if you're a young woman or a young guy who's looking to find the one. Another thing I would say is stop falling for you know. Ed Sheeran's perfect song or stop falling for these love songs. I have died every day. You know, like the 1000 years or these beautiful, perfect like you know, in every movie there is a whole life after the I do at the wedding scene, after the guy finally got the girl.

Stop making the expectation of your every moment, the three minutes of someone else's love song. Just stop doing it. You're going to have unrealistic expectations and that is going to set you up for major failure because. Having expectations is a dangerous business. Yeah, I'll tell you this, I wake up every day. I remember listening. I was a love song. I was a sappy love song guy.

Love, sappy love songs. I don't have a lot of patience for them anymore because I'm a grown up and I just think, like, I just go like, I don't have any. Like, that's not how things work. You want to know what love is? It's waking up every single morning and making a conscious decision to to work with somebody that you know that you choose to be with. And that's that's actually way harder. And it's way more admirable than like some sort of silly night in

shining armour. Although I do really like The Moody Blues, which is well before your time. It's before my time. I really like some of their like, you know, you know just iconic sort of love songs but they're still silly. They don't make any sense what

you've been right. Once you realise what real love is, it's real love is like holding your your wife's hair back because she's sick and she's been she had food poisoning and and then taking the kids and and letting her just lay in bed for three days when you. Yeah, it's it's so much uglier. I gave my wife a bracelet when we got married and it just said from here on out, no matter what happens and on the inside of it says it's you and me against the world. Nobody else needs to see that

part of it, right. That's the part that you agree on. You create that unified front. One of the worst things you'll see is when you see spouses out in public and they're fighting with each other, or you'll see somebody go and devalue their spouse to a stranger, right? Nothing worse. There's nothing worse you doing. Right. Yeah, you're you're you're you're short circuiting your own sort of like, unified front.

I always think that's funny. All right, Look into your crystal ball for me. You're young, you got a lot of life in front of you, I hope, and this country seems pretty screwed up from my end of it. Are you hopeful? Are you optimistic? If so, why? I wish I could be a little bit more hopeful than I am. About the world generally. But being a Christian and being a conservative, our idea and our worldview is built off of the idea and the fact that the world is a tragic, fallen, broken,

awful place. So in terms of do you have hope for the future of the world? Well. I know it's going to get worse, and I know there's going to be a World War Three at some point. And I know that the Antichrist is going to reveal himself. And I know that there's going to be the great Tribulation. And only then after that will

Jesus really come back. And I'm not trying to, you know, chalk it all up to escapism because I think that's quite frankly, very annoying when people are just, Oh well, Jesus will just come back. But I have assurance that in the end he will win. And until that, my calling on a personal level is to release women from the full on demonic. Attack of feminism and to help them unravel the lies that they've been steeped in and the lies that are so easy and pretty

to believe. And so do I have hope for the country. Hi. I I really think America if if we we don't really start sounding the alarms even more and taking our of our personal lives and and using those as examples to. You know, really fight for the truth and fight for good values, then we're not, we're not going anywhere, anywhere good. So and again with the economy and living conditions for Americans, those are rapidly declining.

And I truly hope that we can get a president in here that can maybe have an economy half as good as Trump's and quality of life can go up again. But. Yeah, for my personal life, I don't have an 11 kids. I'm going to be married, you know, hopefully within the next 2-3 years. So I'm good, I'm happy, I'm excited and you know, I have a beautiful community of people who love me. I have a huge family and couldn't couldn't be happier personally so. I I like that. I like 11 kids you got.

We got to outbreed these clowns. That's really the keys. They're always like killing their own children. I'm like, well, you're making the job real easy over here. Because have you noticed that the LGBTQ movement doesn't really grow by repopulation? They only grow by recruitment. Hmm. Better marketing efforts. It's a religion of converts, the leftism. It's the only way they get him because they hate babies. Right. They're not replenishing

anything. No. And I also say this, and I think you can appreciate it. You know, just because we know God wins doesn't mean that America wins. If you think that America is God, then you're a leftist. Because that's what that's what they're about. That's that's good. Yeah, that's really good. Love that. Sad too. Sad that it's like all right. Let people know where they can follow you, where they can see

more. I know you have a podcast as well, that people wanting to tune in to catch some of this uplifting and positive messaging. Where they gonna find it? Me saying no, America has no hope. Yeah, just find the positive message. It's great. I mean, you said it was such a smile. It felt like it was very positive to me. I felt fine about it. Maybe that's just because I like showing off my nice teeth and my parents paid for the braces for it, but who knows? That's it.

People driving on Instagram at it's like you can find me on TikTok. As of right now, Lily Kate show. I'm on my 4th account so I can't promise I'll be around for that much longer, but hopefully you'll be able to find me either way. I'm taking a break from the podcast right now, but hopefully have some exciting things coming in the future. So just go to my Instagram and you can find everything there and you'll definitely find updates on any long form content that I would be blessed to do in

the future. So thank you for having me on. This was so fun. And thank you for all your questions and. I'm not going to say it was the hardest thing I've done today because again, I did work out and it was pretty intense, but it was that's that's always good though. If you set the expectation that high, then everything becomes easy afterwards. Right. So it was just another FBI trick on me. That's probably what it was.

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