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Prepare to hear the truth from a real whistleblower, an American Patriot, here's civil liberties, enthusiasts, Second Amendment, Defender and indefinitely suspended FBI agent. Kyle seraphin. Hello my friends and welcome to the Kyle seraphin show for Monday. March the 19th, today's guest is going to be are in Stevenson and you met him in our episode of Double Trouble where we talked about child sex trafficking, with his partner in crime at

this point Tara roads. But today we're going to have a kind of a different episode. We're going to dig into some things that he saw while he was at DHS, things that he saw before, that his background in the Marine Corps and going overseas and then working as a contractor. And so some of those things are going to lead into. I think a very Very insightful experience of what happened during the failed Afghan withdrawal in August of 20, 21.

I think we are now seeing some of the results of that and hopefully we don't see it in a more kinetic way, but I want him to be able to kind of share with you guys, some of the Intel and some of the concerns and warnings that need to be out there that you need to have in your back pocket. When you talk about failures of this Biden Administration which are significant the data and having that information is going to be really critical to being able to speak to it incredible

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Okay. And without further Ado, I'm going to bring on our guests. So let me pull him in right now and we're going to say. Welcome to Aaron Stevenson. Hey buddy, how you doing? Good man, how are you? I'm well and I've got my Patriot coolers this is my hot Tumblr which I always keep next to me when I'm doing my recording here. So first of all I noticed you don't have your your handle on there. I'm going to plug that right away.

People if you're not following Aaron on social media you can do so at called underscore out underscore. DH HS like the entity called out DHS with underscores in between, on both truth and on Twitter and, and you, and I follow each other there. But moreover, I see a lot of the stuff that you have to put out. There is pretty good way, and it comes from somebody who has lived inside the administrative State, and dealt with the administrative State, the same

way that I did. So folks, follow him there, Aaron what, what do you think? Are we, are we in a good spot right now is this country looking pretty good from where you're sitting? No, definitely not the people. Yes, I do think that as far as Americans were, they're really kind of starting to wake up, 2020 was in a, you know, there's

always a silver lining, right. It was a horrible year or a lot of bad things happened, but the whole Veil came down, I think and a lot of people really can start to realize like something's wrong here and it hasn't stopped. But a lot of people I think just they're getting kind of back to the basics of who we are as a human being and you are as Americans but on top of that I think really start

understanding. And who we are more spiritually as well, but also like, what makes America Americans? So yeah, I think it's been a good thing. But yeah, as far as the government bad bad government stuff, it's mention. It's interesting. You mentioned spirituality. I know a lot of people consider this this sort of ongoing resistance to what the government's been up to as kind of a spiritual war.

And if my memory serves you kind of had a different Spiritual Awakening. Probably like a lot of people did as as the last couple years have kicked off. It's given people focus. I see a lot more people talk. About faith being the thing that sustains them which is indicative of difficult times. Do you mind talking about that just a little bit? You don't have to get into it too deep if you don't want to know.

Yeah. So after Iraq, I was kind of like, you know, whatever and kind of during Afghanistan that's when I bi I was a self-declared atheist and I was that for like ten straight years almost and it was 2020. I just you know, maybe government you lock me down, so I was sitting around thinking and I just saw like know obviously the reactions. A lot of things, how Society was kind of operating what was going on.

And I just looked around. I was like, there's one common denominator with everything going on right now. And this is basically a very Godless, like, thing happened with all these people and just made me start thinking. Like, all right, well, who am? I like, let's let's really get in the who am I? Where am I, where am I? That old thing? And so I started questioning, you know? Okay, well I'm a father, I'm a

brother, a son. I'm a friend of, you know, I was in the Marines. I was just kind of going through the checklist and I was like, well no a theist nothing. But what does that even mean? And I was Going to die as an analyst. So I started going through my arguments going through all my, you know, and I realized like I think I've made a, I think I'm wrong. Like my arms are actually really, really weak and I just kind of ran with it. I started reading more.

I talk to people. I watched a lot of, you know, documentaries and just all kinds of things. Can I do a quick promo? Yeah, for sure dr. Taylor Marshall. He's a major major helping handle a say. Yeah, it's kind of, you know, Went back to church and started going. I got baptized got Chris mated, get my communion, the whole thing, Eastern, Orthodox. Sorry, doc. But it's, you know, it's it's where I am right now and I'm obviously very, very grateful for everything.

Did you grow up with any faith in your house or was that something that you came to literally in 2020? Not really, I mean, you know, parents are Christians but I was Catholic mom was like a Protestant type thing but we didn't. We I remember going to church as a kid. I remember like a pastor coming over when I was like Young. I was like five and they were like, do the whole like blessing of a house?

That was it? I didn't know what Easter was honestly until like, probably I was an adult and I no idea what it was. Yeah. And then I learn. So what was it about dr. Taylor Marshalls videos and I he's reached out to me and I some point I'll probably be on his podcast. I think he's invited me on. So, assuming the offer stands, it will do it. What was it about his message that rank. So true to you.

That gave you something for me? Because I think a lot of people have folks that either have Doubts that are agnostics that are either, you know, sort of departed, Christians, that have walked away, and where maybe they had nothing like my wife. What do you think that like really struck with you? There it was definitely the way he's able to convey, not only the theology, but also the history behind it at.

That's one thing about me. I'm very historical, I'm very logic-based and I got read the Bible and that's what you'll have brought me to be an atheist but I also like yeah. But also running with a bent angle. I don't look at it. I'm buying Look at it, objectively and I didn't look at any of history, but I didn't really know more. Any other more like Christian history or Catholic history. Orthodox Street at all.

Yeah, one of the, like, last things that kind of brought me over was when I learned that, like, of all, the Twelve Apostles, like 11 or tortured to death, this is like, alright, there's a pattern of behavior. There are these dudes aren't giving in, it's like, that's, that's a sign for me, you know? It's like, yeah, I think it was legit think it was real, right? And when I started was, I'm praying about stuff started, actually, you know, Okay, I'll take my next steps.

Now, then I actually started feeling a difference, like feeling, not just like in my head like how I feel better but like it. How I felt inside I was like, yeah, I think a soul is a real thing. Like oh my gosh, I'm so cool and I was like, wow. I'm way off. How awkward is that? Like you know, because you live your life a whole way.

You don't talk about this kind of thing especially because you and I are pretty close in age and we grew up kind of in the 80s and the 90s went like, you didn't really discuss. This is wasn't, it wasn't dinner table conversation. It wasn't like Rangers wouldn't have this conversation. Although, you probably could do it today in a way that you couldn't do previously. And, and then you're like, now I'm talking about it in a potentially National Forum.

I'm out there like identifying myself this way on a Twitter where people from all over the world. Could know when I'm about, like, how, how weird is that for our for our age bracket? It's I think it's a sign of the times but it is it is a stark difference though, because again, this was not dinner table conversation when I was a kid.

But with my kids, it's like we watched, you know, Passion of the Christ and like I'm stopping it giving history, there's the part of the Bible and we're going through my kids, loved it. And it's just, it's not say that it my parents didn't raise me to whatever way. But it's just like, I think it's a sign of the times were kind of get tested a few different ways and it shows you, I think like okay this is this is our source.

This is our, our Rock to stand on that can help us out with things and just then took a little bit of pressure and it shows you how I think fast and quick. We are to run back home, which is obviously God. Yeah. And it's just one of those things where it's like, wow, this is This is legit thing I think so I'm grateful for it. It's good. You mentioned that the 11 of the 12 were tortured to death for their faith and that's known as red martyrdom.

I've been learning a little bit about this because I've been also following some folks that I, you know, martyrdom wasn't really a discussion that happened when I went even through through Catholic grade school and high school and middle school and things kind of things, I don't know. Like I feel like you don't have to worry about that.

But today, it's more of a real, it's a real possibility, not so much, the red martyrdom which is giving your life but But the white martyrdom where you give your social standing where you lose your paycheck and I know a lot of people including the folks that I dealt with in the FBI and I would consider myself in one of those, it's like I took a stand. The stand may not be everybody stand, but it's mine and you can't take it and you lose things over it.

And I think that you're one of the guys who did the same thing because you saw something that was wrong, it was immoral, it was in just and or unjust rather and then, and that makes you sort of a white martyr, which is probably not a thing. You would consider yourself until you someone puts it on you and then you go, yeah, I am willing to lose things that are comforting and lose things that are social status because because there are beliefs that are more important than your job

and your paycheck. Yeah, yeah. I never would have thought that are simply as you said it because I decided I never really thought that. But um, yeah, because what I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you, I could have like, you know, went to the office Spectre General and follow report and it would have taken months, but there, Would have been no, I'll come out of that. And that's why I was just like, no I'm going to go. I'm going to prepare to us now about this because it's going to

have to go out quickly. And I'm glad I did because that's what are Assad. And then all sudden terror is like, oh geez, this is actually happening and kit. She did no cases that because of them, they were pulling kids out and putting them into long-term care out of the traffic situation. So it's like that's worth it. It does the whole thing's worth that.

I really don't care anymore about And yet being a Fed is a couple job, but it's like, it doesn't matter, but it's not that comfortable to where I can take that from somebody else, right? Especially my children and their future. It's like, no, I showed them. What's right? What's wrong? And it's like no, you will act on it. You will do the right thing because you have to sew and they'll always have that that calibration for their Compass.

They'll always know which way, like, the right way was they may not always do it. But they know what it is. And, as long as your compass is calibrated, you can always make it back to the path, which is kinda interesting that's going to give me a little bit of a segue to talk about your

background. I want to do A little bit deeper and we talked about how you were a marine for eight years, folks, if you didn't watch double trouble, I only remember the name of it because I had two people on. It was the first time I did two guests. But if you haven't seen that episode of our of our podcast, go back a couple weeks, it's about two weeks, maybe or three

weeks. And, and you can watch that, I think you'll find it, Illuminating, this is going to be a little easier because there's two of us and, and you sound great by the way. I think it sounds awesome. I'm glad you got some ears. It all looks good, man. Yeah, I think the message is so important that you get this thing out. So I want to dig into your Marine Corps pass. Past, you are an Intel guy. What did that look like? What was your on the ground job

when you were domestic? What did it look like when you were overseas? Because I know you did that a couple times kind of give people a glimpse into being a Marine Corps until Troop. Well, so there's obviously an array of intelligence and also enlisted. I was never an officer, but it means you didn't realize our shame what's called. Yeah. So I was in what's called a child Italian.

So we had you all components of intelligence with us now I'm, we also had like, you know, a sister Italian with us, or next whistle. He's called radio Italian, they did sigint. But my job was called all-source intelligence analyst. So our job was basically to, you know, in traditional Military Intelligence.

You're there to You've information, whether it be imagery and Satellite photographs, you can receive reports of your measurements, it signals a more technical things and then you're there to basically assist the commander and reducing his confusion, that's what traditional Military Intelligence is you make the commander less confused right now can understand and this whole new 21st century Warfare. It's not just about their intelligence because the enemy

is different. The battle space is a little bit different, those kind of come and go, but the enemy itself, it was different, you were fighting in A certain see not a traditional standing army so for the Iraq campaign when they first invaded, I wasn't there but over time it's like you could see how Iraq kind of got divvied up, you have a Qaeda. You got Iranian influence, militias, like Jason, Almaty these things kind of morph over time, names change.

Then you have like X beta. So it was a complex battle space and it was never very easy, but I would say that to be fair, there's a lot of professionalism from the listen to what the officer ranks that it did a great job at it, but so stateside We were on a known rotation schedule. So we were basically home six months, gone, six months home, six months gone. Six months. So the home six months you gotta do your standard record training. So we had to do like a PFT a

strength test. We had to do acronyms and now we know I think a lot of people know. Yeah. The physical fitness test but yeah and is what's the Marines look? Like? Just for just for a so ellipse to get a perfect score. You have to get 20 pull-ups, 100 crunches, Has and a three-mile run within under 18 minutes and then everything that you don't do. So that's like your you start there at perfect score and whatever you don't get your score goes down.

So getting a first class P of T is like the standard. I think you have to get a to 45 and above. It's really not that difficult. I usually, I was wrong. I probably 260 270. My highest was a to 90. Something I can never forget the 18-month 80-minute, run through miles. I've never smoked and Bash six-minute miles. I'm short. Yeah, I'm 59. I'm a sprinter. I'm deadly in the spring game. I am not a long-distance guy, I guess, what femurs? This is the way it is.

I'm Neanderthal. I'm sure that you are. So yeah, totally. I'm like a dwarf dangerous over short distances, right? Exactly. As a matters though. So it was just that, but like we would straight, we try to stay up to date with obviously, you know, the reporting flow. You don't want to ever drop off, whatever, but there was also an operational cycle as well. So we were always gone in the summertime.

So we do. Gone from like March to like maybe late September early October and then the East Coast unit, they would come was I was on the west coast, we were just kind of rotate in and out and that's how it worked. So wintertime the tax but it was still bad place but it's actually kind of go down because you know what was cold and it

was just a situational thing. We come back in the summertime the kind of ramp up again and that was at the pattern of Flow by 07 that change drastically or dramatically because the Marine Corps is employing a new thing where they're really engaging. Populist this. And this was called this a Hawa or which the, I think it means The Awakening.

But like, they hit the all the Sunni tribes and Al anbar province, which is west of Baghdad and they were like, Al-Qaeda hate, you guys, they are using you guys. We don't want to dominate you guys. We just want to like get some peace stability, returned a normalization and you guys go on your way and be a happy little democracy. So it's a flawed concept to because that whole cultural thing but it was like we don't mess with you guys and four years.

Is a struggle Al-Qaeda got sympathy because they would come into like the market and control bread prices, which sounds like, you know, this communism. It's like, yeah and starving people were eating so that's sympathy points right away, right? So there, yeah, this I mean this falls into the the quote unquote hearts and Minds. You call it the Awakening, but people that were back home, kind of knew of it as the hearts and Minds campaign, the sort of a

softer version. But did you what was your role in that as intelligence? What were you guys doing? Akley to kind of Aid that mission set. If somebody else was out there, dropping pamphlets, or doing psyops, or whatever the things that, you know, the other units type 2. So, this was we called us a so stability and security, Operations, Security, and split operations. And what we would do is just to literally try to keep any kind of like combat and fighting

gone. So, we was almost is almost like a police force type thing. We had a recce police. We had a wrecking, our me there was other are executed forces but we were too kind of there to hold her hand walk them. Long. And we do play catch up because the US government decided to fire the entire recce Army. After 03, when the war's over it's like get I was a bad idea guys because a lot of those do is join the fight, they had to

get money, right? So we did a pretty good job and what we did is intelligence was it was basically mostly threat reporting, we'd come in and find out. So if we had any human sources or human intelligence sources, they would come and tell our collectors. Like, you know, this is what's going on in the city. We rip the collect obviously signals intelligence, but we would also just said The patrols and, you know, get a get a feel of the land. They have to you have to

actually engage the population. You can't just spy on them. It was talk with them turns out so yeah, right. And yes, we were just kind of get an understanding what's going on the lives and then continue the Security operation. So we were still fighting Al-Qaeda. We're still fighting bad guys by 07-08 really kind of changed, and speaking of hearts and Minds. So there's two kinds of missions for winning hearts and Minds.

You have the, the people the Douglas put, you want to win the hearts and Minds. Then you're supporting also the like, you know, targeted raids where it's to in the heart, one of the mind. Yeah, so that's funny. That's a very real people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What sort of what sort of other government agencies were you interface with in? At that time because I have to

imagine everybody's over there. Everyone's got their hand in the pyrite Yeah, but so, I was supporting infantry battalion, 1st Light, Armored reconnaissance, and that was all sporting different regimental combat team. But we wouldn't, we would still be an information flow for Alexia reporting. Obviously some NSA reporting, but it wasn't like we were operating in Han like we were in a very small forward operating base table. If you will, and we would get the reporting.

But we weren't like sitting with like super spies are like that. We would operate a lot of combine stuff though. So we sure. Operational border with the army. So we had to establish Communications and Rapport and like, kind of be cool with everybody. SEAL Teams would come in and they'd be able to operate our area. If they had to get bad guys, there were always the funnest ones work with because you know, their seals they're they're they're awesome, they're good dudes.

And the good at what they do but it's like their mission and for that time was just you know like get bad guys. So they were really cool. They taught us a lot about intelligence with like more of a long the Black Ops type thing and it was kind of fun to learn that and like okay how do you guys operate? How do Do these things. Do they come in with their own Intel guys? Yeah, they did. And, but they were great though.

They would, they would really teach you like how they operate in a certain few senses of like, yeah, you actually want to find this kind of information if you see these transits what it's looking at now, don't worry about those. Dudes are fine, who cares about those guys. So the, you'd really kind of learn like, you know, it's like, okay this makes sense and I would help us out when we were again, like re-engaging the population.

So that way when you're going through the desert and you come across like couple dudes and they've got there like, you know, Oh, they're gas canisters. And some people would be like, no, they're making a bomb made. Like, no, they live in the desert. It's like your go camping every gas, you know, it's just like, oh, yeah, so they were really good. A lot of those things helped us out a lot. And that was kind of fun and 08, the wars for us was really dying down and anbar.

So we did kind of seemed like, support operations. Still, I went up North for a little bit to outside of Missoula is Airy called sinjar and our body because that was a lot of smoking coming in. Of lot of weapons for fruition lot of smuggling, lot of foreign Fighters old station.

And we were trying to understand that one and so that we were working a lot less on the ground and we were working, what kind of moron the like operation centers, but that was fun too, because then you get alerted like, you know, all right, I've done the task of operations. Now, we're doing more of like an operational size thing because you have three levels of

intelligence. You have tactical, which is like day-to-day small stuff operational, which is more like an area like a think of like a state, right? But then strategic is like, you're smart do Is that are thinking of 30,000 feet, like, you know, what's the world look like in five years? And stop racial lens is great. Because, you know, we're seeing different battle spaces and how they operate and trying to get understanding of what's going on. Everyone involved here.

And so one great thing we did was we established to find the actual pattern of how these dudes are coming in. So, we did like a big berm study because there's a huge berm as the border between Iraq and Syria out west. It's not like there's a border wall but you see I don't mean

he's like a pile of dirt. I do it's like just a yeah, like like bulldozers just and they make this thing and obviously Smugglers to. It's not like they were just bad guys because they would be bringing in goods and stuff. They'd break a berm and they just feel to drive through it over time. And so we were trying to find out where all the like, how they're getting from this part of Syria to these parts of Iraq and they're skipping past us. We know they're going through the desert.

So we did a few different ways to collect information. We did kind of like long-term like nighttime search has to look for you know. Non-artificial light, so, like campfires and stuff, we would look at just look at the map. We're all the natural watering holes, where the natural water Springs because you're in the desert is going to take you a few days. You got to have water.

And then we finally, then collected, some dude has GPS and like hit every single way point we when we detain the guy it's like we had that we mapped it out and it's like oh cool it's actually literally everywhere we're looking at right now. So it was cool to kind of put things together like that. We're working more like you know, it Major intelligence and understanding how they like, how Olympics work and the collection platforms is it was what kind of fun.

Imagine you called operational is that correct? So tactical being ground level, you know, day-to-day operations operational being the next step of, that's what you were doing there, looking at an area, trying to see that the issues in that, in that particular region. Yeah. And that was and that was going to support the commander at a more of a theater level type thing. So that way he can understand. Like okay, we these are my missions. There's bad guys how to getting

here. There's this house that happening. We're able to tell him like, the bad guys are coming through here and then you can go. Alright, thanks and you can figure out his job but we were still, you know, every now and then get pulled out to support.

So in 08, if you want to hear a quick little story, we got a call from, I've got the Marine unit was out there but is an alkyne and I'll kinda is in the The way west part of Racket borders Syria. So it's a port of entry and it took years for this thing to open up because of funding and Corruption whatever else. So we can automatically these were hurting right? But they're kind of going along

now. The kind of moving along and this is now in the summer of awaits the wards like really kind of starting to not die down but it's like there are get there knowing that we're leaving soon and it's not a shock there and so there was this really bad dude out there. I can say is Only Southerner know his name is bhadra on Turkey. I like that you were ready to censor yourself. It's good. And so he was actually the Iraqi army during when we invaded, and he was surfing with his best friend.

This is like, it's like a Scorsese movie. And these two dudes were like units together. I will then bring up the Army and then it kind of goes away. And then bodhran is like, Americans are evil. They came here and they're ruining our lives. So he joins like the resistance those other guys like they are, but I want to help my country. Tree. So when I multiply my people really.

So he joined the local police force and so you have the guess I'm in the stores words like, you know, good friends but oh they become you know, like enemies now and so it's actually upsetting story. So we get a call that over the, you know, in the morning that overnight the unit came in and I'll tell the story as I learned it. This unit came in their dresses Americans. They're dressed like a special forces so they were like I'm blast boots. They're wearing like the cooler

helmets. They had like the totally decked out in For the, the proper nvgs, the everything, right? And they go to this one. Little police Outpost they were like, hey guys, we're doing an operation tonight. Like we got to go find some, you know, some Al-Qaeda guys, you guys got to join us. Hey guys. Did your gear get some of our good stuff? And we're going to get you guys ready to roll and they went around a few different police stations and they're grabbing a

recce please doing this. And they were they were coming off not till we talk to the locals that were there like, yeah, I saw this. You need to come in with Autos you guys. So we didn't call anybody because we thought was Americans, they were looking, they're Americans. They're just an All-American

uniforms. And so they rounded up around acting like 15 or 20, Iraqi police, and the minute they got them, they got them outside, they just, you know, knock them out, back them up, tied him up and they took him out to the desert and they'd accepted every single. Dude, what they did out there is they would cut the head off but they would put it like on the chest. Like so that way it was like dudes head is like top of his chest and it's one of those things where it's like it's

horrible to see. It's really really disturbing and it makes the people also go just like, you know, I'm not doing this. More like that's that's it for me, I'm done. Yeah, very visually jarring but also kind of like that and it stays with people. I'm sure. Definitely. And so this Iraqi he was a lieutenant. Now the guy that was best friends with Bob on Turkey, he was one of them and there was like I think 40, I things like

14 or 16 guys. I never thought in my head one of the dudes actually got away because as they were like cutting heads off, he can hear everything. He's like, I'm, he takes off running, he gets shot it shot up but we're able to find them and we actually represent and that's how we got all the information out of everything.

And he was getting debriefed and he was like, you know, explaining is like, guys this, the, we thought these were Americans like, you know, they were talking like, you guys. Like, go, go go. And it turns out. It looks like it was obviously a foreign probably intelligence service we think, but it's definitely some kind of foreign

asset that came in and did this. And that really shook the population, like that was a really bad day because there was a lot of people in the area, they're just coming back. Like they're kind of start to become a site again and I'll sudden this happened, it was really exciting for people. So that sucked but then I think it was maybe a few months later maybe was in 2009. We did Kill the guy but on turkey, that was the Syrian. What reading what your wedding

raped. You can watch on YouTube, that was the guy that's who got killed and it's hard to talk about it because it's like, you know, these are people, these are human beings and it was one of those things where I was just like now, yeah, the were still there. This is like us kind of slowing down the war and it's like not I think still going for them and later in the deployment, right?

For, I went home there was, we were getting reporting, kind of long, the that little river valley, whose that, the Western Euphrates River Valley, good reporting from like, little bits of pieces were like, older, dudes, that we know are bad guys were kind of popping up in the area and but they weren't like operating, they were like carrying guns, they weren't trying to recruit, they're going around and like, basically talking trash to like the local like leaders whether they be the

tribal leaders or like a city council member, but they just saying like, you know, hey, you guys just go and stand by because we know, once once they leave, we're coming back in. And it's not gonna be pretty though. They were very, very threatening god without the kinetic, you know, like posturing right. So they weren't carrying guns and like their tactical trucks with 50 Cals. They were just walking around being like, it's going to

happen, it's going to happen. You know, what kind of stuff and then. So we took that and we were kind of seeing other reporting reflecting that and a couple friends and I we started looking at it.

We were back home now and we wrote a small report like maybe two to three page or maybe and we were just saying like you know, like listen guys I've all things going on it's like because We shut down ambar pretty well, but I mean not really they just kind of moved like we were a really bad for a long time like it Fallujah and ramadi you know hit haditha these places are getting lit up bad but that's her. That's what the sahaba the wakening.

They just basically moved up to like Missoula and Beijing and other parts of Iraq. So the fight just left. It was still really bad but it just wasn't here anymore because we were working. And so we were saying in our analysis, like they're going to come back and it's going to probably be a lot worse because As we're going to be gone. So we were like, probably within like 16 to 20 months. After we depart our forces from Iraq, it's going to get ugly.

We think and know, whatever our mess Sergeant reads. A is like, yeah, thanks. Let me follow us in the cabinet and Shred. Yeah, Noah hand. Yeah, this is like, whatever goes, right? Not, good news, isn't it? Yeah, so in 2015, or 2014 when Isis starts rolling through the, you know, going from Azul all the way down. I hit up to friends of mine. I was just like, is this what we said was going to happen? Open because it's like it's about two years after we finally

pulled out. And so maybe a few months after I guess but I like, is this what we were talking about? And you know, a couple guys got a Facebook. There are like, yeah, dude, this is it is then one guy was like, no. Yeah, dude are in like that. Someone wrote this thing even like three years prior. It's just like, you know, this is we've all been knowing this and we've been saying it to leadership but that's just the way it works, man. So that was upsetting it's like

wow. That's really, you know, we could've done a better job and we just didn't what did ya what did that do to you? So you're here. You are like Or an enlisted guy so you're not making decisions. You're not calling shots with people to understand how the military works. Then that's what, that's how it works. You're not in charge of

anything. You're the guy who writes the paper that gets thrown in the shredder, but you have time and Country, you've got experience, you've got some cultural awareness and you're writing a articulable threat with a timetable that ends up being true. You know, how does that sit with you? I mean, do you at that time? It just frustrating, it just

just sucked. So that was a 2014 and that was my second full year in DHS and as after it might have my three deployments to Afghanistan. So, it's kind of like, I've been locked up before, you know, and I've been wrong before. I know that how that feels to this one of those things where it's like, you know, it's not like our paper was going to stop the whole thing. But it's kind of also, like,

what was this? The whole attitude of everyone above us. Who was also involved in analysis and like, briefing, the commander and understanding these things. It's like, just get socked. It's like, that was a waste time. Like, after the end of it, I was like, that was a waste of time, right. I got to the point where honestly, basically, I would say by my, you know, my middle, my second deployment. I was sitting there thinking, like, if this is for, you know, like whatever people say, like

this worth, what oil. I'm kind of like, yeah. I know what fine whatever then like zemin. Oil is about our country. Okay. I can justify that. But by the end of the day, that's my like 80 of the Marine Corps. That's when I got out. I was like, I don't believe in this anymore. I don't, I don't hate the record. I don't regret my time men, but it's like, but I don't believe it anymore. Just, I'm just not there. I just, I can't do it.

I still wanted to, you know, I still like the idea of serving I want help on America. I want to bump, you know, Americans. So I still had that but it was like, maybe this is my capacity more. But yeah, but when I that all, when Isis burrow through it was like that was literally pointless because A lot of dudes died. I've had friends kill themselves. It's just like, it just sucks - like that was. It was rough.

Yeah, I don't know anybody. That's a marine that hasn't had a friend, the Marine Corps that or after the Marine Corps, that that took their own life. Like literally not, I don't think I have any Marine friends who don't have buddies that were real close to them that serve up there.

And I only have one or two from the airport that I recall that that made the same Choice. Most of them are pretty aggressive, you know, kinetic and kind of on the edge anyway kind of guys like knife and types, but but that's what you need to win Wars, it turns out you need people that are Willing to go to the end, right? I mean like Berserkers that and then when you bring into Peace, A lot of them, don't know what to do, right? I got it. I got so story. I'm sure your audience.

You okay hearing this it's a little offensive but this is this is a good that's a great intro to this. So in 07 I'm sitting down with we've got back from a three day out on the desert. So we're all tired. We're all just like covered in crap but we're getting shot with a quick and they have in this little chow hall. They have like a little TV for afn, the Armed Forces Network and so you can watch like States I TV shows. But the weird thing is, is like you can't watch commercials

because it's a DOD networks. You can't get paid to so you'd have to watch like this. He's just the dumbest, like, you know, awareness like no, like we always joke and there was like, the balance, your checkbook commercial like, don't shake your baby like these were actual commercials, right? Well, so one of them, it was from a foundation for a better life. So, sorry. I'm reliving my head and so we're watching this and it's just, you know, we've got back. So everyone's kind of zoned out.

We're just we're done and the commercial we're watching is such a high school dance. It's like a prom and there are And they're handing out like the court and they're like, okay and now for your homecoming King like, you know, whatever his name is, and they're like, all right, and for the homecoming queen and you might have to edit this thing up. By the way, they like unveil the girl who wanted and it's a girl with Down Syndrome, right? Because again it's a foundation

for better. Life is teach people how to be a good human beings, right? So this Grand, he's like 19 years old, he's watching it, he starts laughing, his ass off, but he's spilling his food just like laughing his ass off. And I'm telling my friends and my family that's been Back home and they're like, Aaron that's that's insensitive, that's so whatever. And I'm like that's the guy you want though. They're doing a job. You need a dude who's like that. Like that's what you those are

grunts. Those are the guys you want. Yeah, there's a reason why we call them crayon eaters, right? I mean, there's a reason why window Liquor crayon. Eater knuckle-dragger a mouth breather are like sort of compliments when you're around people that are fighting Wars because you want those guys. Because when you tell them to do something stupid dangerous and needs to be done, then they jump into do it. And I know a lot of Like that.

I love people like that, too. They're my favorite kind of people but you can't take them to, like, nice places. It's why we can't have nice things, right? You just have to remind them. Look dude like you know, stop gnawing on all the things that are wood in the room.

I know that you're sharpening your teeth or whatever it is you do. But like come on buddy and we all know that guy like so I always tell people I had a 19 year old roommate who ended up being like a legitimate war hero and and he was a complete bonehead.

I mean, he looked like an alien. His head was a His shoulders were small, his body was stretched, he was in that awkward like 19, you know, 18 19 year-old phase before he grew into his face and he ended up being awarded a bronze star for like saving six guys and dragging him out of a Humvee because he was Fearless. But he was retarded to. I mean, he was just a moron and he was like, Hey, I'm gonna buy this Ford Mustang and it's like no, you shouldn't do that.

He's like house, 14 percent interest and I was like, that's terrible. My God, that's the worst thing I've ever heard. Why would you do that? And he was like, well, I can afford the payments and then he bought it. And it's like, can you afford insurance? And he's looking at me like insurance. What's that? It's like I know you're a moron because you made bad decisions

with your money. I know you make $100 a paycheck, it's all going to the stupid car payment and then the next thing he did, as soon as he got through the next school, you got a little bit of a bonus. I think his enlistment bonus paid out, and he's like, yeah, I'm getting this motorcycle. I'm getting up, you'll blast, and I'm like, you know what? I call that and he was like, what? I was like, that's a murder cycle. You're gonna kill yourself on that thing.

You can't die on that buddy. Like you can't do it, like, get rid of the bike Captain, both survived. Like so many, you know, God's fortunate creatures do, and then he went on to do really great things, but just terrible decision making, you know, just foolishness. I also remember him getting pulled out of a boat.

We pulled them into the boat. Actually, after I die Mission and everybody near us had been like telling people to watch out for the jellyfish which you don't need a symbol for that. By the way, if there's jelly fish in the water and you haven't worked it out, you look at your die partner. You get this thing where you're like, there's your eyes and then you're like it's up there out. No, you just show them what the jellyfish as the jellyfish symbol.

Just your hand. Making a jellyfish and so we didn't work it out. But we all got Jellyfish out of the way except this poor guy. I don't want to name him because he's like a grown man. Now, with children, I'm sure. And and he came up and he had like a jellyfish that of just like going across his whole face, you know.

And he was wrecked, his face was all just like pus and you know stung and it looked awful and then because he's 19 and some of us were in our you know late 20s or one or two guys in the early 30s we're all students like at the die school there and were like dude now we have to pee on your face and he's looking around. The instructors. You know they're just like yep that's what they're going to do. They're going to pee on your face. Hey sorry. Miss weight is.

Yeah, you just have to get pee on your face because, you know, which is and a half, the guys that are paramedics. So that's the other thing. So everyone knows this is not a like a really good treatment for her for getting stung but he's looking around like panicky and no one peed on the kids so that was a good news but I wouldn't put that past any combat unit like being on somebody's face for a jellyfish is like 100% And

that's totally endeavors. Yeah, there was one dude who I met him and he, you know, because when you're with that level, like everyone knows everything about each other. Like it's the tightest family ever. And so once your blood in, it's like, they'll love you the same way and then they were like walking around. Cause I was a little guy so they were like, no. All right, cool. You're gonna be in this vehicle, help us out like the Tesla questioning, you know, I oughtta

and like, here's a team. You're with yours, you know, like Higgins and Jenkins. Whatever. How's it going, guys? Cool. Like you know, whatever. And then that one do is like head. You wants his guy threw up real quick. I was like what they're like. Yeah. Watch this. He's like, yeah. Do you watch this? That again slowly shiz. Hold on. What if you want to see this guy, do what throw up food?

Like you can throw up a command and the way he threw a bucket man as you kick him in the Shins, really, really hard. And so he's like yeah, watch this. And this dude just like Bruce Lee chopping down a tree and he just flattens. The guy he just doesn't and starts throwing up. Everywhere is like, see seen, I'm like, how does well, because we're about to the operation. I do the up order, like we gotta come on. Guys already know that is that is the prep.

His family had his family. Yeah, very dysfunctional. Not to Pivot away from that too quickly but let's let's dig into some of the military. Is one animal obviously Contracting is a different world altogether. You got into doing Contracting and you end up going to Afghanistan like three times. And what I want people to understand is like, how much on the ground time you got compared to some of the people maybe in the Department of State.

And some of the Intel people that were domestic that were looking at charts and trying to figure out like, you got to go eat the dust with the guys in the in the grand. It's you got to go and do a contract and go overseas and tell me what that was like, what the difference was kind of the type of personalities you dealt with that were different and maybe the entities you dealt with over there.

Yeah, so I left the like the idea of being an all-source intelligence analyst and it went into a job that was it was a Biometrics of forensics analyst. So our job was to basically operate biometric systems but also the information. Make sure that we were like properly utilizing its storing it. If we had a identify bad guys, I said that it was our job, right? What is my about towards? Just tell people what those are? Like, what specific things you

are collecting? So, yeah, the big ones were fingerprints, facial pictures, and Iris scans. And those are the major ones we could do DNA, but it's like, It is rare because it's just, we didn't have an equipment to collect everything. So if a do was like a known, like he built bombs and IEDs, we would get his DNA because it's like, yeah, we might see stuff on there. But if it's your average Taliban fighter, like that, we would just print them fish, photograph iriscan.

And that was to understand, like, where the guys at the Battle space. So if we're grunts were out there, they have like, you know, mobile readers, where they can pay that guy looks Shady, who is he? They could scan them. And if we did our job, we uploaded it to the machines and servers they would know like Oh yeah, this dude got detained like five months ago. This is a bad guy that. So those kind of jobs, it was the dominant population. Was that, is that available in Iraq? At all?

It was we did was the depth of its Well, it's there's two ways you can utilize Biometrics in the, in a war type suddenly, I think that one is for Force protection. Make sure these dudes don't come on your base. Like identify these guys are identify. The council members are like really dominate identity and the second one is more of what we were briefed.

The commander is we will tell you who's killing your Marines so you can build your networks, you can understand the human terrain better for like a counter Insurgency which is very important. So there's two kind of As you do that, then you can get creative. Like we were assisting interrogations. We could do, just if you go, if you have the window all approach, it's like we will let you know all about this guy, so we could use it, leverage it, and I want it. But yeah.

So that actually, it was excited too. Because I just got on the Marine Corps. It's March 2010 and I just started my job and I was in Charlottesville Virginia at the National Intelligence Center, or, and Jake. And, you know, they say right away like, well, you're deploying. You're a new guy. You're on the contract. This is the way it works for deploying right away. I was like, what am I going too fast? And you know, I want another Iraq.

There are a lot of guys going too fast, and I was like, all right, sweet. And I was like, he was like, I'm gonna go to the mountains. I'll be. Were you married trees? I was married and I was married at took it to the time to kids. Um yeah. And I still do opposites up to kids, may be understood, you'll get rid of it. Turns out they stick around is like out, you know I'm excited. I'll be out of you know, rink or territory will be now in the Army, I want to learn about this

stuff. Yep. And so then my program manager with the contract finds out of the Marine Corps is like oh, Oh, we'll send you the Helmand Province in the desert with the Marines, take it out of me, you know, so I deploy. I'm not kidding. I got to Virginia in like mid February 2010, and I was gone by like mid-march. So we get out there right away, and this was just the beginning of what's called up my Stark, and that was the clearing of how I'm Province.

So, starting to Marcia, and it goes out to the garments are in other parts of Afghanistan. So by the way, Helmand Province. Thing about Afghanistan looks like this bottom left. Okay, hold on desert describe it for people that are listening to. So what does this shape? Yes, or give it a rectangle, doesn't make a difference. So rectangle, you know, describe the rectangle like a kidney bean kind of turned like this with a little sticking up inside.

And we're way down here in the bottom and the rest of it, it's the Hindu Kush. It's a very mountainous, very know, whatever, very humid, and a lot of areas but we're in the Southwest desert and this place is we were to is Never What's On The Border's just just for awareness. What are the borders that are on the To the South was, I ran into. The West was always treat this one? Is it? So one more one, more Province was herat, and then it was, I think it was teaches it to gu stand.

It's one of the studies, for sure. Yes, it's one of the stands, my buddies always over there. That, whenever you explain that, I'm always like, I don't know how my part of the world, but so the crazy part though, again, it's like there's only a very, very small river that runs through there, okay? And then they the state department, the 1950s, they went there and they put this big Canal system. About right?

And so this creates the town of Marcia, and it's cool because I go, there you go, you can make more crops more Farms more. People is good, right? Markussi. But it also made the fighting train now a nightmare because these canals were like just big enough to where you could jump over and roll your ankle, but not big enough to dedicate a

bunch of like small and bridges. So, all these, all these marines, all the grunts who are going through clearing this area, they're jumping over Canal, after Canal after Canal is very, very flat. So inside the Inside the canal. You can get some cover real quick but then you get up and get over. It's like high very high profile and it's just like it's it was a very difficult operation

obviously. Plus this part of Afghanistan has kind of like Taliban headquarters, pretty much like Kandahar, which is just the East through, like Helmand Province. It was just the heartbeat of, you know, that part of the Taliban. And so we were there and I was helping out, also, the British forces, which they had was called op Eric. It's the same thing.

It's just a different unit different So they had different operation names but again, we were there to tell them what's killing their forces and to help out any of the scientists doing their science stuff. So that's what we did and science stuff. Now I gotta know what were the scientists doing? The science stuff. You got to be specific for me. Well yeah, so they would like we do know they were gone so go out and talk some IEDs.

The the bomb techs with the EOD guys, they would take out the explosives, then we'd go won't want to know like who made this thing, right? So this is like Forensic type science. Then yeah this is like CSI stuff tape. They would do it all and then get the fingerprints off the tape. They give it maybe get some hair they can maybe get some D other parts of DNA and these guys were good to they would understand like hey is that the this is built the same way as that went

over there. Remember that guy where was this bomb found? I've always that one pound, I do just map it out and we start learning like okay who's air operations of this. And it was our job to make that, you know, and make an assessment out of it. So at one point in time, we came across like this one. One time dude, his fingerprint kept popping up and it was on like hundreds of devices. And so at first people were like, oh, this must be some like, major key player,

whatever, whatever. And we looked at where they're actually cutting the fingerprints and it was like the final product. We're like, no, it's guys, I should like very low level. He's like the last guy. He's just putting the tape on it. Digging it was bearing it. This is a he's bearing. The bottom. You don't. That's not a high-level guy. You don't bury a bomb, right? The important. That's the Expendables. Hello Mom. Yes, things like that. And we also had this guy was really good.

He did like ballistics and all kinds of crazy stuff with more technical collection of actual like, you know, like obviously like Don's with other enemy equipment, which should talk about on this thing, but he was really, really good. And there was one point time if you want to talk about bureaucracy really quick. So there was sniper somewhere, I think was a marja and it took out two or three, guys of like one company of Marines. So it's like, okay, we got a

sniper on our hands. So, I went and talked to this guy because he was really smart forensics and it turns out he was used to be a sniper. So he was saying, like, you know, I'm not going to buy like counter-sniper operations, but he's like, but if we get that gun, I can tell you like, you know, obviously, how many marines were killed by this guy, and we can figure that out, but we have to get the bullet to.

So I went to talk to the morgue on our base and I was it's not a good conversation to have because shot my, a dead Marine. Yep, may or may He just casually, we're just got wounded, but I asked them, like, could you guys when you guys examine the body like, can you please retrieve the bullet? Because we rise explain to them. Like, we're going to try to test this thing and we can find that the weapon would give it was

doing this. The people we can help the commander kill bad guys, and the doctor was like, I'd love to but I can't like I gotta send somebody back home in a certain way. We can't remove whatever too much. I was like. Alright. Fine and so then I was like well where's the body go? I want to know what the bodies goes. Will call there. So they went to Dover Delaware, Dover Delaware.

And so I'm up all night trying to get hold his people and I'm like, it's not easy finding phone numbers, right? So I'm like going through all these things online, trying to find it. Finally get it stable night.

I get this major on the on the phone I'm explaining what's going on, we're talking about it and he was saying like a little bit, we can do that but it's like you know, we want to study it to. We want to make sure that we can like you know really examine the cause of death and I was like sir. Like the guy got shot by a bullet? You know what the cause of death Is like an explained again. Like if you give us the bullet, we can find the guys that are doing.

Yeah, forget, cause it that people find the responsible party. Yeah. And then they were like, oh yeah but we can also do like, you know, they're a, he was saying like basically like study the bullet and tell us like the material used and it's like it's Central Asia. It's like there's bullets

everywhere. It's like you're not going to stop this but like we can find the guy and answer was no. So it's like, I'm already seeing again, like, wow, it's just like people aren't really in it for the whole thing. If I trying to be, you know, the best I can for the lowest lowest level of the Warfighter. And so that sucked seeing that that wasn't true. T10 and it's just like we're trying to help out, you know, Marines be Marines.

We're trying to make them more lethal, trying to get them smarter but killing bad guys and it's like there's this roadblock after roadblock and another part of that war I found very different. Was I heard I didn't hear as much in Iraq. I heard so many people say that's not my job and that was weird to me because it was the radio guy. It was the it guys, it would be the cook in the chow hall and be just this collection.

But the further away, you got from like the bigger basis, the more down, you got to the lower units, That does exist because everyone's got to do a job. And so I enjoyed doing that because I had to go out to like, you know, small really bad area, small places. It's not going out there because there's no like good amenities. You're washing your clothes in a bucket. Like I was I went out there not knowing I was going to see I'm wearing like, you know,

button-up shirts or pants. You know, I'm wearing, I'm wearing mirror and More in Maryland, where I knew it's like, I'm out there looking fresh. All right, right. And I'm sleeping at holes, like, at least once. Every few days like holes in the ground, and this is like my doing was like, you know, whatever is this here for the job, right, right.

And, and they didn't care. They would see me go off of, like the heel and and ever see this guy walking off, just like me. They were like, who the hell's this guy? But by like the second day there, they're like, you know, thanks for everything. You know, give us this information and let us know what you can do. However, and I would hit them up before I'd go there and talk to them tell guys. And like I know you guys are low on like printer paper or like toner. I know you guys are low on

stuff. I'm at headquarters, I will bring stuff out to you. So, They were always cool because it was like, you know, like small little drug deals like that, it would always give you like great Rapport people you're doing air quotes on the drug deals part of it. But that's yeah, that's how things get done your finessing because you have access to transportation and they don't have access to things so you're making connections like that.

Yeah, we call them drug deals in the bureau to all the time when we're doing things like that. It's like, oh, you have this thing. I need this thing. Can we make this drug deal happen? It's such a terrible. It's such a terrible euphemism, but it's so useful. But I mean, they'd be like, a lot of times they belong, Like dude, bring some rivets were low or like bring some ribbons or like a really cheap energy

drink, you know? I'm no. But they were like, dude, we're getting low on like marbles, bring them out and I was like, I'll get it, I'll get it, I can so it's like things like that. But it also tells them to it's like we are here for you guys and obviously I can't be here with you always, but it's like, we're just a port you guys. I and that means a lot for dudes because they're down there in it, and it sucks being down there, and they're there for

six, seven months at a time. So, you know, give them support, they do their job better and You have gas, it was weird like that. I don't know how many times those guys were asked for something and you're like, you know, it's not our job up here, sorry. So, because art, I mean, there's a lot of that in the FBI as well. I experienced that, so that's government-wide. I think, I think that's yeah.

Might be a generational thing too, but it's nice that you had the experience of being the guy who needed the something in the field, who was in a forward operating base somewhere not had access to it and then knowing to even ask I think that sets you apart from the guy who came straight out of college, got a good job. Job, you know was a until guy from some sort of like degree program. It didn't go through and heard it the same way. I mean it's a different animal right.

We're just talking about different types of people and and those are the not my job types. No it's not. My job to bring cigarettes out there when you know like somebody out there is Jonesing for some cigarettes and life's going to be a lot better if you bring it. It doesn't cost you very much out of your paycheck and especially especially if they're a Stateside camels, big gold, that's the goal. You get anything you need You'll get the nicest whole asleep.

In, I've wanted to bring all this stuff up because I wanted to set the stage for your ground level intelligence. I think, as well as your analytical capabilities, and when people listen to you talk, they're going to know that

you're one. I think they can tell that you're being an honest deliver of this information because I found that to be the case, but moreover, that you have a, that you're interested in the mission, set that your mind works in a certain ways and some people are analytical types and some people, I'm not really an analyst type.

I'm more of an action type guy, but I do tend to see the bigger picture but I love having analysts that are really passionate about their, their craft, their trade, to bring stuff to it and in the bureau, unfortunately, a lot of people that go like, oh, I don't do tactical intelligence and it's like, well I'm doing investigation. So I need tactical intelligence, that's what I require. So, you're useless to me, don't ask me for anything either that

it's not. My job experience is very FBI and probably very much like a lot of the intelligence Community when it comes to doing. I really tactical type operations. People want to do the high level stuff. They want to do the operation or the Strategic. So I wasn't even familiar with the Strategic terms. I appreciate you. Bringing that into my lexicon. There's a lot of strategic thinkers, they have no idea how to do tactical operations, which is where things get done, right?

That's what brings in the Intel that allows them to that sort of like processing all that to say you had a pretty good understanding of what was going on in theater in two different theaters in war zones and you'd seen obviously failures and typical government bureaucracy failures which Are the nature of the Beast right there? Just there an operational risk that you deal with. If you deal with the government I want to fast forward a little ways.

You've been working for DHS tell people kind of in like a very you know quick little couple hits bullet points of how you ended up where you were in 2021 when we saw the Afghan withdrawal. Yeah it's about the way that was 2010 and 2011. I went back to Afghanistan, sporting Special Forces went there again under this time DIA defense, August 18, 2012 supporting special Horses again. So that's why I got into that little Community. Yep. And then I went to go work for

DHS. I was at CBP for about a year-and-a-half fish and I was like, oh wow, we're letting a lot of bad guys and CBP is customs border patrol. Right. Am I saying that right? Support protection protection? I know I get that wrong. Yeah. So border patrol is BP and CBP is another animal. So people may not know that but it is there two different entities under DHS.

Yeah. So what and I was like, okay well if they're if they're getting in because they can't legally well how does guys getting in the first place? Then it's like okay we'll probably use C is so I went to go work for USCIS citizenship and immigration services and I was there for about eight and a half years. And then in 2011, 21 in August, you know, Morgan, whatever and a body hits me up a signal. And he's like he just says like, hey bro, I want to play into a conversation.

I'm talk to this guy and, you know, probably like nine months and this is like, you mentioned, very, very quickly. But you said, you got pulled into the Special Forces Community. You have contacts at a Green Berets because of the work you did, in Afghanistan, as an Intel guy as a contractor. Is that correct? Yeah. Right. Right. And so, I just wanted a hammer that home because because that you ran over that really fast, but I think that's going to be an important connection here.

Not knowing the whole story. So sorry. But um, yeah. So he hits me up and he just says, Like, hey dude, I'm gonna put into a group chat, a signal that was it and it's like, I haven't talked to you like but what's up? And then all sudden, like, you know, I got this invite so I pop in there and it says, the group that the channel name the group chat name says, like, Neo, you know land to or some like that Neo means Don noncombatant

evacuation operation. This means getting due to not part of the fight women and children up for the fight and get them the hell out of somewhere bad as an ego. And that's, that's a DOD Mission turns out. State Department actually ran that. So, hold on the thing there and so someone he tagged me in a comment but he kind of replied to it type.

My name in the air. This comet is asking like, you know, hey how does like, you know, this immigration thing at work I was like, oh that's why I told me in high school and I was late time and I think the answer will kill you. Do this, your foiled, this form, sand whatever. So I went back to the individual chat, my bro, what is this thing? And it says like, you know, we're getting everyone out of their, we're getting all are all of our sources. All of our old, Terps Oliver, Oliver. Ends.

Basically all the people we worked with in Afghanistan. The actual Afghans were getting them out of right now because going down and so this was in. It was it was after the middle of August, it was somewhere in like the 16th 17th 18th of August and our pull out data, as you want to 30th or the 31st was kind of the hard hard. Stop date was that right? Yeah. So, we'll well, it was supposed to be made first and then Jill Biden extended that.

And then the day after you send it that the Taliban said no. Not doing that. And so the day after May 1st Taliban started rolling through Afghanistan and I May 14th, sorry, August 14th, Biden sends the additional troops to Kabul because now it's like, he's looking really bad. They have gone through so fast and so the airport got really,

really bad. And so I'm gonna have to do a bit of a Tarantino type story here because yeah, well, first of all just remind people about what that look like. So we had basic full control of the theater. We had minimal Friendly casualties of any kind like they were. We were taking like injuries on a monthly basis occasionally but not we weren't having K. Is that was that was the agreement but the Taliban it was in brevity. It was this you hate America. You guys leave by a certain date.

Okay cool. You don't tell man, you don't touch us. We won't kill you guys deal deal. Fine. And the other part was will do this in a staged process. Okay, we're not going to go out once and Mary. You can't be involved with like the domestic stuff going on.

You can't be involved in, you know the Afghan government and the Afghan government you guys American government and those are two different things and it's not like Taliban were that honorable they made mistake, didn't you know, out of entire thing also. But in brevity, they did they didn't attack us, we weren't hitting them. We said we'd leave by a certain date and we did not and we actually knew this back in 2020. There was total total deep sake, guys, talking to the Washington Post.

And they were saying like no we're not leaving, we're keeping an assets were keeping an air SSO. You can walk, you can read this thing. It was on November 27th. 2020 is the Washington Post article talking about. Not we're we're leaving but we don't worry, we're not right and so that signal to the world like

what's really going on, right? So yeah, so May 1st Taliban start volunteering through Afghanistan and it's not like it's a this unified ground elements going Province probably know they were all in the same area like is just Farmers. That are like okay yeah well tell them. It's going to win someone to join Taliban. So that is raised up quickly tell bones got their forces. They had their own probably like 80 to 110 thousand but these are

dudes that want to win. This is, this is what they're fighting for, they believe in it and this is their home and yes although they're not going anywhere that's that's one key thing by the way. So this was a cultural thing

that we did learn for a while. So in a lot of Afghanistan, whether it be bypassed Tunes down in like South and the east, or I've got the tribe names or the ethnicities the whole country Pakistan though it was not Not considered honorable to like join the Army and leave your territory because they would say like okay you're leaving your land to go to find somewhere else to why would you do that, right?

But your you live here, why would you go to that mountain over there and do that mound chain or that part of the whatever? Why would you leave to go to festivals me? Some sense to us? So they were not looked at as, as a very Noble, or honorable thing, the police a little bit different because it's like, well, these are in your same city as your in your same territory. It's like we can respect a

little more. Now, the soldiers were not hike, the top of the Notch, and they've always been that way. This is not a new development, we've known that for a long time. I seen them. It's got to be, I mean, we've been there 20 years. So, I'm 12. Yeah. And so, it's just like, that's, that's the way it is, guys. You're not going the best, right? And this is partially our fault, and it's not to say, by the way, there's not, there was awesome, Afghan soldiers.

Go to do the thing. They're very honorable, a lot of, you know, great dudes, that can fight very well, then they were not the majority at all. So that's not even worse for them. Because Now, it's like, they're getting relied upon heavily by the government and it's like, you look at it like, you know, we have this big fighting force and it's like, that's really more like this and they can't be everywhere at once. So there are falling like crazy

Afghanistan's going down. Kandahar goes down and the only reason why there wasn't a bigger bad though there is because they got the soldiers, the hell out of there because they were like they're gonna lose. So they negotiate, the Taliban, fly the dudes out, no fighting but it's like you got to leave now though. And this keeps going down. Closer Closer, Closer to gets to Kabul, And cool the city of 5

million people. All right so it's a big city and the way the mountains are around its kind of weird. So it's like once you're in there it's kind of like a couple roads in couple roads outside most like Las Vegas and it demonstrates is not great. So it's like, you know, you're kind of there, it's not easy to get out of these things and so by the hit the outskirts sorry. Well I think it was the 13th. Maybe before that actually got a bit out here. One second. So on the July 14th kind of her.

Fell July 23rd. That's the infamous phone call between Biden and Ashraf ghani the present Afghanistan. That's where Biden says, like you. So you go through the press conference, you're going to turn the whole you know, do a little head fake, right?

That's that's what we need. Is a press conference to make people think you're winning and even off Connie, the president of Afghanistan who sucks even he's like, no, I we need like these assets, you're wrong, in our numbers, you're wrong on their numbers, like he's actually schooling biting on this thing and it's just like that was the phone call. That was it so on. August 14th, Biden sentence. Three thousand more troops to Kabul.

And on the 15th, tell back she got the outskirts of Kabul. So this August 15th, they hit the outskirts and they just emptied. What's called a, the parwan Detention Facility. So this was at Bagram Bagram, which be closed down. No, the night that thing is about a 24-minute Helo, right away. It is very very close. Like if you look it up on Google Earth like and you just flatten the Earth you can you can see it across the mountain right there. It's like no, no, it's right

there. Guys, this was a very, very close thing. Huge airstrip, a lot of resources was hard to penetrate so there's a commitment, a great place to Stage everybody but we do have access anymore and then that was that this essentially like one of the major tactical failures that people always kind of made to just like we had an incredible infrastructure. It wasn't in the densely populated urban area. We had the landing strip. It could handle every single one of our types of planes that we

need to put down. We had full control over the area and everybody knew it. And we had when we got detention facilities there as needed, and we had all the resources that if you had. School a backup. It wouldn't have been hard to spin that thing up into like functionality really fast but it was a military base as opposed to, like a like, a civilian are, you know, airstrip or us when I was at I was on the bottom twice. Like I lived there for you know, almost almost a year in total

probably but yeah. So the the apartment on facility was huge head like I mean, I'd probably these couple hundred but it can hold up to like five thousand guys. Like this thing was massive. A lot of lot of cells. Will tell Ben get there. No one's really Garden. It click on Unlock and these are not just like, you know, some dude throwing rocks at a convoy, these are like Isis guys, because there is Isis in Afghanistan. These are Taliban guys like the real bad Fighters and akane

network dudes. These are very bad violent, guys who want to win, but they did start going straight to Kabul to Kabul, which is right across the mountains, right? So they get on the 15th and this is important to understand too. So, you know, ostrov gone, he was the president and Jill Biden, who's the president? You know, they're on the very top the information pipe so it's not like they just know. All they they're getting fed information, the whole way up.

Well, if you're plugged into that, you see what's going on to that includes the Afghan side and the Afghan side. There's this thing called the NDS, the national director of security. It's kind of like a doj DHS thing, they have a State security, there's some telogen SATs, you know, it's like kind of that whole thing. So these, they also guard infrastructure. And key infrastructure and things like airports.

So they're plugged in to say their name again, they're called D DNS, India, India's the deputy director of Security National director of scanned. And again, they know what's up and plus they have cell phones, like, they know what's going on their own country, their own cities. So as these people are watching Afghanistan fall like that, like they started stage in their families, nearby.

They're calling their families, like, get here now, because we're going to be, we're going to be leaving here soon and you're not going to Afghanistan by driving. There's no infrastructure. That and plus you have to get into other countries with Pakistan, won't let you in Iran. Just won't let you win who's been cast and we'll just let you in. It's like no they will the kids?

Absolutely not guys. So once they hit Kabul, these dudes, that were guarding the gates, they ditch their gear, they ditch their like their uniforms. They put on their Afghan clothing, they got their families and these were the first guys that got the hell out of there. And then all of a sudden this airport with no security. There's yeah, there's big walls in between and those big walls have these things called Gates and those gates are This is called gate guards.

And so the city of frightened, five million people descend on the airport and they see no one's guarding it and they bum rush it. So this is this is the images you're seeing now of of Afghans running on the tarmac of you know, hanging out on the wing and trying to get the wheels and just completely like The Whole World War Z. Look, right. Have you imagined you ever heard anyone articulate that being the actual failure?

Because when you first told me this, I was like, I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about that this director dove. National Security was the fail Point. Like, that's the single point of people bailed out and left the gate unlocked that like, that would have not heard that. And so, I learned this from Afghans that were actually

there. Because again, so once I got pulled into the signal group chat and effort like I started making your connections and couple friends again and I was getting pulled into food these channels and then one of them there were a couple of the Afghans that are actually out there. These are like these work for seals for a few years these guys actually We had like XF XF s guys, Special Forces guys who came back in and like, you know,

they're trying to do things. And so we saw what was going on. We saw how State Department was turning plans around by the end, they were shutting down, you know, like flights and stuff of Americans on there. And so they were setting up back channels to get their get Americans and get their friends out of Afghanistan after the fall, who's they? And so they were this group of private individuals who get these were Afghans. And the most is guys, are actually naturalized Americans. Okay.

But these were Afghans that supported like Americans in the war and again these are these are good dudes. Like they're credible. They're good guys are operating with ex-special forces, guys. So it's like, this was a good Community. This is what this was not Pineapple Express if people are wondering so and I wasn't up getting some of this is going on, but there's on.

But they were really multiple channels of people trying to solve the same problems because the SF Community is obviously capable and fairly loyal to people that save lives. Enabled operation. So you're one of many nodes in this sort of, like, pipeline of people, trying to say the right people. If we were to put that in air quotes, who actually were involved in the American war effort that we have essentially abandoned because of this type of operation. Right?

And and also the other thing about that Community is they take the initiative. They do. They make decisions quick. Like these are the guys who were like, no we're doing this now. Yep. And it's just like, yep, what you need? So they were setting up like a Communication Center in a city that was like about I think eight, Eight hours away from me and they were like, you know, can anybody else come here and help out? And I was like, I can drive some

right. I'll see you guys in like eight hours and they were like, you know, what you want to do? I was like well I can tell you about see is I can tell you about how this thing works. Maybe I can try to get a deal like a drug deal but like I'm saying like you guys need table setup, I'll move the boxes is the TV straight like just let me do things. I'll give you guys more time. Then they were like yeah bro come out.

So when I'm not there, help them out and that meet these Afghans and are you on leave great point. You had succinctly for it and it was actually on my, this was over the weekend of August 31st actually turned 39 and while driving out there because you know, it's like I want to help out this. Is this guy be done right now. Yeah. So did I not there? And these people are great. They're nice. But I was asking I'm like, guys what the hell happened?

Like, know you have friends about their right mind? They're like yeah like what what happened there explaining me like oh yeah this is gate guards all left. There was a ton of them, like these dudes, all ditch the thing though. And this is first time Access. And so I was just like you've got to be kidding me. It's really that there are like yes, right up. And by the way, the first like I think four or five or six planes, like no one knows who the hell got on there and that

was a really, really bad thing. But who do we think they were? Yes, just speculating at this point. Obviously, some of them had to be these great cars, right? Yeah, mostly I would say mostly inside. They mostly Afghan officials, government officials and problem, is those dudes are insanely corrupt. Now, here's where it gets hard, by the way, against me, little

bit of a Tarantino story. So to be in the Afghan NDS and to be in anything in the Afghan National Security Forces, you have to give your Biometrics to the US government. So you have to give your fingerprints, you take official, photograph may be an iris, can we get your name, your date of birth? We get your like ID number like

you exist inside of our system. So after this all went down and I find out about this, I go back to work and I'm like, hey can we like just kind of go through the first like ten plane loads and if any of these guys mashed up to n DS, records like can we can we kick them out of the country because like the reason why is because it got so bad and Marines had to go re-establish a security perimeter on the outside and they had to go do everything because they have Canadian Stitcher job.

That's what led to 30 or 12 Marines getting killed and a Navy corpsman. If I'm not saying like, you know, and it could have changed out of that, but it's like, those guys wouldn't have to die. They really didn't have to die. They did a job because the Afghan, the at that Afghan element, ditched it. And that's got to be a problem with somebody, right. So I got to work, I say this.

I'm like, you just go through these records and just like, let's just find the guys that are we know or in the end. Yes. And at least we can, we can question them. At least we can, you know, maybe they'll start Stone beads on each other. We can find the guys responsible. This, let's just Deport them. Can we do that? No. What was the? What was the answer? No for was it just no. I don't know no no fries, no further information.

That's no yeah can't do it. And I went back to him about a week later as I was still talking with these Special Forces guys and there I was like guys can you tell me like legit dues like that? You guys can guarantee our a still good. The not like bad guys but actually help us out with like major operations or help us out with like something like that. We actually want these guys. We have to help them out. They're like yeah, here's a stack of like, you know, hundred.

So I got to work with this and I'm like, guys, I have the names or dates of birth. I got there, a numbers, they're alien numbers. At their visa application. Like can we can we just put them on top of the list? Like, you know, because now we're giving out all these things, two, dudes, that shouldn't deserve it. These are going out. Some shady guys are getting these Visa programs and work was like, no, it's going to come on.

A first come first, serve basis. It's just like it's just, it's the psalmist possible way to handle that problem. But it's the simplest thing that it's because that's our government. Our government is not, it shouldn't doing what's right when you talk about the, the 12 service members or the 12, Marines, in the corpsman there, Names are on a plaque that's outside in my parents front

yard. I don't know if I told you this, but my hat, my dad had me, put up a flagpole, they've got a 20-foot flagpole, that's always lit. And they've got 13 crosses in their front yard. It's a big chunk of their front yard, and it's all graveled, and maintained and groomed. And there's a big black clock. That's probably probably three feet by foot and a half or two feet. It's got all their photos, their names, their ranks and where their Hometown was, and all

that. And a, in a brief paragraph, saying, what it was with the never forget written out. Stones and people walk by their their their house every day on this walking Loop. There's all these old timers at walk around younger families and stuff strollers and people stop there every single day and I think it's really important that nobody forgets what what happened but I think it's also important that people understand what that failure look like.

And that there are people who are actually responsible for it, not just the nebulous like oh the administration failed and the president failed like know, they were people on the ground that are now in this country, enjoying the blessings. Of Liberty because 13 of our finest, went over there and did something that they didn't. He shouldn't have to do that. It's really important to remember that, though.

And I it just in case of any any anybody that's related to you know, those guys that got killed and the women to like family or friends or team members and I really am not trying to say that like this was written in the stars. I'm not trying to say that whatever but I think based on what by the ministration is done in this whole thing because again, this was a state department, operation not DOD like we can really get into this thing.

I do think there was chaos no matter what that was, I think predetermined based on all the steps they took but it's like I don't want to try to sit there and say like you know this would have been yours. Because x y z, that's, that's chaos. Theory back is no one knows, right? It's right. See there's obviously some terrible decisions that were made including abandoning Bagram, including, you know, right seeing it fall so quickly and not reinforce it.

Either with overwhelming force and take advantage of whatever

it was. They were going to like their there's this is Step eleven or twelve down the chain and we could have stopped it two or three down and and realize that they were bad decisions being made and that didn't happen which which, you know, at the end of the day I think, This Administration should be accountable for all the rounds, they sent down range where they're good or bad here, otherwise just like every Administration should take

should own what they, you know, they succeeded and failed at and this is a clear failure and, you know, one of the, one of the most awful images of my adult life that I can remember, is people falling out of those planes. Not because I knew anything about them. Like you. Like we watched people from Afghanistan clinging to Wheels. Not understanding how landing gear Works knowing that they are going to get thousand. Thousand feet in the sky and then fall off to their death,

which is insane. Which just tells you how little they understood about anything that was going on there. I mean, those people like you don't jump on a plane like that and think you can hold on to the wheel. I don't under no circumstances, but they don't do any sense. But imagine what they were fleeing because what they were looking down, the barrel of, right, right? And please understand. Also this then to. So that's the level of Vesta culture, if that's the, you

know, the population. Oh, yeah. Here's democracy. Yeah, here's some, you know, here's some training on LGBT. It's just like what the help will be. Ying why we try to do this, right? Just want to hear a great story. I do, I only want to hear great stories about in 2010 that we, you know, this there was a human intelligence report. It's called IR information on Talent, OR intelligence

information report. And it's just like, you know, like hey, I talked to a guy who said this, right and store reading this thing and this is, I don't care. This is this clothes food. So, it's talking like to an Afghan farmer. It's a local information report. Basically, and this farmers saying, like, Hoof. I'm glad you're here Americans. Hey, we need your help. There is a dragon behind that mountain over there and that's the reason why we have a drought right now.

And you know this is this sucks for us, right? So if you guys can launch them, some airplanes over that mountain, you can bomb that Dragon. That'd be cool because then the drops can be over. And by the way there's a big like Pearl inside this Dragon. So then we can like take that big pearl and we can do like, you know, go sell. That's what like a lot of money, right? That's good for us. Us, right? And this was a natural intelligence report. I love the end of it.

He's the end of it that the collector, he writes on the very young, the comment the bottom saying this is the level of people. We're dealing with. It's like so stop sending us complex like requirements of. Like what's the socio-economic? Blah blah blah. It's like no, no, no. It's like we're not dealing with a population. That's Highly Educated, right? This is your, they have shoes or not. Exactly. That'd be a good collection,

right? Like what is their ability to march in cold weather and or rough terrain? So my little experience being on The Afghan camps and Holloman which were nicer than the ones on Fort Bliss because the Air Force runs things. A little bit cleaner and nicer. They had these things, they called The Cadillacs which were like multiple multiple toilet heads and multiple showering facilities like built into these little trailers.

So that's where people went and I'm I'm actually interviewing a this kid who was a really nice cat. He was 21, 22 years old, great English. I like an American sense of humor had dealt with the state department for a number of years. You know, there's there's all different levels of capabilities, this kid was going to be fine.

He was going to go catch eighty thousand dollars working for, you know, meta or Google, or something, for the novelty of hiring an Afghan parolee who actually was competent at a skill set, whatever me and he was. And so we're talking to him and he goes Those, you know, these people are from my country but my country is not a country. It's just a bunch of tribes that live in the same place and and that's what you guys always fail to understand.

He's like, I grew up in a city and I am now sharing a bathroom with people who have never seen a toilet and have never seen a plumbed anything showers or otherwise and they keep shitting on the floor of the of the showers and he said I'm horribly embarrassed every time I come in because they Don't know the difference and these are the people that were dealing with and he goes when you're asking questions to me that are complicated, I understand what you're saying, you're not going

to find that when you talk to the others and you know, I did 12 and we did 12 12 or 13 interviews of guys, supposedly who allegedly sexually assaulted a black female Soldier on Fort Bliss, which was a silly. I mean, I don't know if you've ever been in a fight and if you've ever been in a fight in the dark, but can you tell me the Under the eyes of anybody you've ever fought no because that's a really interesting

piece of information to share. I ended up bringing this is one of my whistle or disclosures to my congresswoman because it was like look. I'm an investigator. I just go on what people say but I also look at the plausibility of the information that's being collected. And if you're telling me that at 1 a.m. in one of the darkest places I've ever been in my entire life, which is out in the

desert in New Mexico or you know, West Texas. and you got into a fight with 12 men for your life that you believe we're going to sexually assault you and you can tell me what color eyes they had and what they were dressed like and then you got in your car because you got away from them by kicking them in the shin really hard and then you drove off. Did anyone ask her if the trunk was still open when she showed

up there? It's like the easiest question to like that's the thing I want to know, was the trunk open if they were trying to fight you and get you while you were back, opening up in your in the back of the trunk of your hatchback, was the trunk open when you arrived. Because if not, then I have more questions. None of these basic things were asked and and that was the level of chaos that was happening on the state side of what you're

talking about. So the Evac was going on insanely over there with no management and gate guards getting a you know, blown up and then they got on all these planes and they landed. They were like offloaded by the tens of thousands into these parolee clothes. Yeah, and then there's this, there's people crapping in the, in the, in the showers and then there's people making up stories and then like, you know, and and it was insane. Like when we drove up my buddy, not he was a Green Beret, he's

my partner. So we drive up there to do some interviews and he was like, dude, are we in Afghanistan? Like, people were just crapping on the side of the road. They literally, like walked out of the tents, which they were like temper tents. Like the, you know, the kind of high-speed Air Force in our meetings, and they would walk out on the roads. They would be praying kneeling

in the middle of the street. Like vehicles are like flying by and then they would walk off like 10 feet and just crap on the side of the road for like a mile or two. It was a like a crap row, when you drove in, it smell just like human feces. And you're like, what in the world? Are we doing them? It felt like, I mean, I've got videos if they're like you can't take videos here and I was like, well, I'm taking a video because this is insane. This is the craziest thing I've

ever seen. And I need to document this for our case File so I don't really care. I actually had on my government cell phone so I was like but but wild like truly was. Yeah, totally Weird. Anyway, that's what they got. That's when they came over here to so they built a little Afghanistan in the middle of West, Texas. And in the middle of nowhere and New Mexico, which is kind of wild to think about to, right next to White Sands Missile Range.

But so some of these people that came in, you know, we've got obviously, serious security concerns because nobody knows who they were. You had Biometrics that have been collected and you know that Biometrics are collected for a very long time in Afghanistan for the the conflict and more in

the way we dominated population. Everyone over there was fingerprinted like multiple times like if you were fingerprinted is because you're either too young a woman or like you were just a true hillbilly out of sticks and we never saw you like we get everybody basically fingerprinted that we knew the whole population. So what is our ability to go through the people that we have domestically that we brought in here and identify friend foe or unknowns?

You think? Well, that's that's why the process. So when they're doing their Advance parole and they would stop, they wouldn't fly from like Kabul. So, you know, Dulles, right? They would have to stop along the way. So they would do these a few different places, like Rota Spain. Qatar, I think there's some in Germany, there's a lot of, you know, just basically have. Right. I know to those three are correct. So I know Qatar and I know there was like, I think Rammstein also had a bunch.

Yeah, Rammstein, yep. And so we park them there they'd be there for a little bit and then we would do like the initial security screening and then we would send them on their way and they would get their Advance, parole, they land and we take him to these camps that you're at, you know, you know, you know, you're hearing. All right. So what was the what was the security screening looking like if you don't mind getting into just kind of the? So the basic security screen. What is that?

So they we first defined by biometrically, so that's gonna be your fingerprints and if they can establish that was Community, very rare will leverage other things official photograph for like facial recognition or will do maybe Iris scans that they have it. But we will do identify like you know, by fingerprints and this works very very well and so we're you know, load them in and We're getting guys that have a lot of detainment sand. A lot of like, oh, you were

actually like a very bad guy. You were, these things are all identified inside the system. It's very technical. So yeah, give me a little more technical than very bad guy though. Do you mind like what does that look like? What does a very bad guys? So, a very bad guy. Let's say, while in Afghanistan US forces or Coalition, we're trying to find this too because they were like we think this guy's bad enough to go out and

do a rating grab. So he has to go through this thing called The Joint prioritize effects list or the JPL And to be ought to get a j-pal number or a target number. You had to have like enough derogatory information, like, you know, okay, there's like three or two or three like really good human sources that can identify you. Or it's like we've seen like, your phone and during summer, number of things, we can see where your operating at. But we know you're operating with bad.

Guys, the based on again, like, you know, sensitive collection of intelligence information and then you're on this list for a very short time period. If we can't grab you in time, you go off the list. So it's like, this thing is, you know, it's a system that's designed to go find bad guys. And if you in this information is collected and stored inside of your biometric profile. So when you put your fingerprints on, it says like, you know JPL, you know, four,

five, eight, seven, six three. It's like you read. Nobody, wait like oh man, that guy's bad. That is terrorists. That just adds a shirt, a bad guy here to know, right away or if they were on What's called the dod biometric enabled, watch list or the buell's. We would call it and the Buell has categories of bad guys.

So like category want means like detain him on sight, you know, tier one time on site, tier 2. I was like, yo, get this guy into though, like bring this guy in as well actually. And if you if your fingerprints were found on a bomb, or a homemade explosive, you were automatically to your tude. So that shows you like the level of bad guys, right? Then you have a tear for this was designed for like force protection. So, you will want these guys,

come on your base. So, if you're ever detained by US forces, or any other Coalition Force, you were put on the tier for the watch list. Doesn't matter if you were detained for four days or if you were to chain four like, you know, years If you were on this watch list and it was designed to, you know, identify who you are tier 5. That means like you work with us, but we fired you because you're shady as hell. Like we went through your phone, there's a lot of bad news inside there.

Do we caught you take pictures of the flight line? Why you have classified maps on you? Like we would catch them, do countertops, you know, or are you a con intelligence interviews, then be assessed like no. Yeah, you're losing access, bam, watchlist. It's now he tries to go on base. Oh, he's watches to get On it works, right help.

And then tier 6, which is more of like we think they just got a messed-up, so keep an eye on them and that's like, you know, don't let them know whether we know them. But like if you come across a sky, like take every note, you can tell us what he's wearing, tell us where you're at, what time of the day. What's, he know, those kind of things got it. So these dudes are all through CBP, screenings, Customs, Border Protection and, you know, they're popping up on these Duty watch list.

Well, they're also becoming off plus watch this because an Jake back stateside. I think operating in concert with DHS, they're taking these Dudes off this balance your nipple wasö. Watch list. And it's like, okay, hold on, even if they're just to your for, it's like, that means they've been detained, or they were bad enough to where it's, like, you can't come on the base. You can't get hired if you're on tier 4, so you can't get a DOD contract and kind of stand.

So, let's say some, dude, you know, again, it's bad guy gets rolled up. Not only is he denied on be on base but you also can't enter a garbage cans either. Like now screw you, you're done. And so if it's bad enough to be out there, why the hell we didn't bring him in the country? Then like this. This makes no sense. Why is this happening? Are taking them off as watch list. So right away, it's like that's kind of bad as it is. Right now goes one step further.

Now we get into wedding because screening is like, you know, you kind of look for somebody wedding is like, well, who are you really? And when your wedding somebody I look at it as the way you put somebody on the actual terrorism, watch list and to do that, you have to have a few things you have to have their identity completely, you know? And so you have to have their biometric information thereby graph. A confirmation name, phone, number, whatever, and also like behavioral stuff.

Like really, who are you? What's your job, where you from, whatever? Then you also have to have particular, derogatory information with the Nexus to terrorism? The league of these, you know, legally is government to you isn't there? But its standard structure processes like, no, you can't put anybody watch, it's got to be legit bad guy, who got to go

to prove it to these things. So when you put somebody on, like you're looking for like all these calipers are information, but when they're vetting, somebody all they do really is they check for the phone numbers. They check for the email addresses. So I go have we seen this phone number? He gave us his phone number is anywhere inside of our databases. No you're good. So it's a voluntary testimony of them. Giving us their phone numbers and email addresses.

It's like yeah, we might go to find more. That can happen. That's part of the investigation. That's not a wedding. You're not really getting into these guys though. So you're doing the biometric. Definitely, they're doing the biographic somewhat. We're kind of learning it, but we're not looking at All for the behavioral, and there's some

problem. And then, in the meantime, you said they're, they're removing people from this j-pal list from the other lists domestically like back home, who's they, who's the ones that are actually pulling this stuff off, is that state department? So, I don't know, but they'll know, but I don't know who did it because I thought there wasn't like a trail of it. But if you're on the the dod, you'll watch list the by much. We never watch list. That's the National Ground Intelligence Center.

I used to work there. I know that mission maybe DHS was doing it. With them by being like, hey, these guys came in and take them off the fuel that could been happening. Also. But there's no way in hell that DOD would sit there with their contract work in the governor employees. They wouldn't go like, hey, this thing is all going on Afghanistan. Let's take all these guys off the fuel. They wouldn't do that. That's not a mission, they be doing right?

So, I definitely think they were operating in because first of all, there's no money in that station. Yeah. That's a proactive thing. That's not how government works. Anyway, like government holds records, They Don't destroy records unless there's a reason to at least that's my experience, I'm sure you had similar correct. Do anybody right now going? Like, is there an expiration date? No, it's not like you're on their five years and no activity fall office. Not at all.

Your honor on, right? And so, so yeah, that part's that. And then when it came to the wedding, again, we're not looking at this. Dude's of who they really are. And again, this is a big problem because we were there for 20 years, like, we were really good with intelligence. Sure. And yeah, it's hard. It's hard to find the guys based on their name because African names are kind of weird, like, they might change in your life, over time.

It going to, who knows? You it's kind of strange, the things Is though, it's like we dominated the battle space. We had these things called civil Affair groups and they would go out there and they would run out information operations. They would know the the human terrain are very, very well. We had human train systems to understand these things better to and all you gotta do is like okay well where's this guy from,

what's his village? And you can look up like you can literally take a many programs like penalty has got these things. There's other I would say, I wouldn't know what to call it, but basically, like you take a map like Google, you draw a circle around it and then you In like here all the significant activity reports of like firefights and bombings from this year to this year okay I don't want those. I want to look for like you know, information intelligence reports.

Okay cool. Here's some of the over here, like you can really know what's going on plus because all these Biometrics were also geotagged. You can literally see the footprint of where this guy's been in Afghanistan. And so it's like yeah, it would be slow. It would take a long time and that's what wedding is. It's not just like, you know, what's your name? Which phone number? Which Emoji. Russ does exist, he's good to go.

So I'm going to Discount. Yeah, I want to show you a story that I had of one of the women that we dealt with. I think I've said this before on this podcast, but I had a lady that we were interviewing about and I don't even know what the context was. Maybe your husband was supposedly beating her or something. We went out for all the domestic violence and stuff like that. So I'm dealing with this lady and she's got her

identification. That was issued either at Qatar Ramstein and so we're looking at it and we got interpreter there because we've got a female interpreter to talk to her and she goes you know, Ru Ru this name. She says, yes and she says, and you're and you're 25 and she says no. And she goes, well, it says you're 25 and she's like, yeah, but I'm not 25. They just wrote that on my ID and we go. Well, so I said well how old is she? And she goes, I'm 23 and I was like ask her.

If she knows why it says she's 25 on her ID and she's like, oh yeah. She like it's real Animated. She was like when I was getting my ID I told the lady that I was 23 and she said, no, you're too tall to be 23 or 25. So they wrote down, and that's what that is, what made it to the documents that me as an FBI agent was dealing with. And so that's the level of scrutiny that these documents were generated with it was that you're too tall to be 23 for a woman. So you're obviously 25 people.

Cannot fathom the level, like, the, the, the shallowness of the wedding that was going on and if it's like, what's your phone number? What's your name? And your side of your like, man, there's some really bad, dudes, think I'll serif, and I'm not going to be Kyle seraphin. I'm going to be Tyler care if in here, like, that's it. Like, that's who you are now. And then you just gotta remember that a few times when they when you go through and remember what

your ID says. And so, we got people that did that, I'm sure. And we're able to get away with it because they all got brand new cell phones. They came over, some of these guys were coming over with, like, Pockets, full of cash. To don't know if you knew about that. I definitely like some of the guys, like they already empty. They emptied bank accounts. They got either paid out by US forces, or they got, you know,

helped out in some ways. But some of them would come over and they'd have like, Fifteen twenty thousand dollars of the cash. And then what do they do with it? They're on a refugee camp, in the middle of a like an army base in the middle of the desert. So they just paid for hookers. It's, there were women that were hooking on the basis which we saw as well, and it's like that was a Commander's problem that was not a, that was not an FBI problem, but they were some, you

know, yeah, knock out women. That were trying to find somebody who had some cash and like put their own thing together and didn't speak any English. But I guarantee you there's some army guys that probably gave him a thought about making them a citizen here because people are people, man. People are still people. Yeah, and Joe is still Joe. So if Joe finds a beautiful Afghan wife, he comes here and wants to get smart. I know I know you were in the Marine Corps but you know who

Joe is? Yes, because you gotta love ya. The Marine Corps term of that is, Lance course Machiavelli. Yes. Our Joe is smoke. A tele shimoga, Tom. Yeah, I can do that. By the way, with the wedding, please, look how bad it is. Yeah, I want you to. All right. So And by the way, the people are voting, they don't know what's going on Afghanistan. Like they don't understand the what has happened over. Yeah. What doing personal? Do you haven't been there? Who are they? Are they contractors?

Are they, they D OS state, or what do you think? Well, so a lot of it was done by USCIS and I know those guys and, you know, a lot of these are pretty good and they're actually good. Analyst problem is, they are given this Mission and these, these parameters is say inside of so, and they're also being told that the job done, so they have to do the vetting this way and you've got good.

They could do a lot more but it's like, no. Once you once you hit the you fulfilled them writing requirements and standard checklist. I do not it's like but there's more you can do guys to know that. So one example is this and a lot of guys don't get a cent to, that's another problem. It's like you can really leverage these dudes in a much better way. Not all of them. Some guys are just like you know until guys because they got up

to somewhere else. But there was about seventy two checkpoints like all around the airport of like Taliban checkpoints. This is back in, they are in Kabul this back this. Yeah, back in Kabul, and this is during the evacuation, right? So, these are Taliban that are looking very thoroughly to find certain dudes. Well, some of those guys they want to make sure didn't leave or like Afghan security forces and typically, you can defy those guys because they might have an ID on.

Well, that's easy, ditch the ID ma'am. Okay? Some of these guys get down to 5 because they're wearing like the Afghan National army, uniform, bam. And so typically, you would have be able to get to those checkpoints if you're wearing Army uniform. Because they're looking for it, right, right. That checks. So, one of the, one of the guys that came in who ended up Landing in. I think dullness, and like three weeks later, the FBI does investigation. Autumn turns out. He's a terrorist.

Well, in his, I'm going to these guys. And I've seen his initial photograph, his first first, a collection we have on him for his Biometrics is member. We know the chronological order of you may be coming in and it's like that's weird. He's wearing Afghan army uniform, all right, whatever. Mike, wait a minute. This guy's at these guys is he's a terrorist. He is a straight up on the watch list.

You know, tier one armed dangerous, why is he an Afghan army uniform more thing taken at that thing was taken in a ramps on air base that guy landed in Germany. Wearing that outfit. It's like, wait a minute. Why do I not see any other enrollments? Don't forget if you were in the Afghan National Security Forces, you had to put down your fingerprints and get enrolled. So why the hell is not pop up before then?

This makes no sense. So I try a few of the variations to find them and we don't want it all It's like, okay, so now the wedding analyst, he sees this, he doesn't have. As he know about the information about, you know, he got to be part of it to be a part of the Afghan Security Forces. You got to go through this process, obviously, they didn't know that because first thing you would see is how the hell this Duke at this. Checkpoint wearing that.

And where is it to begin with? Like why is this guy enrolled previously? Yeah, flags all turns out with the right turns out within a few weeks. Oh yeah. Is actually a, by the way, this guy is category 7, which is threat. If enters the United States that's the banner of a cat. Aghori seven terrorists and it's like and we brought the guy in. So now I'm sitting there going like, DHS isn't even 20 years

old yet? You know, this thing got established 2003 in the wake of 9/11 because terrorists came in the country and attacked us. Literally the purpose that it was developed for right and not even 20 years later, we are flying. The terrorists from the same that same area back over again, right? And like, you have kidding me. All right?

And so the failures look like this, like Of all, nobody should have been showing up in Ramstein Air, Force Base, wearing an A and a uniform under any surprise because they should, because they will not be telepan because they would have been pulled off by the Taliban and probably killed. So, the only people that came through, should have Misha lie. Those should have been suspect right away.

That's a watch list number one for people who are paying attention, but that was not us. And then number two, if they are wearing an, a, in a uniform than their Biometrics have to show up and they have to match the name on the tag, and they have to match the name on. The ID and everything else. Rise otherwise that guy's a fake. Yeah. It's it was a fake. This is me, get through the checkpoint, maybe Taliban push their guys through maybe Isis, push their guys through and this

is one example. But how much, how many hard examples did you have or was this, the only one example that you can really drill down on that, you know, know there's so many. So I came across a list of 600, like a trick. You know, do is ever like how these guys might be Shady. There's this about 600 and I just kind of start going through there and I'm already by the Interesting. Gatien at DHS.

At this point, you're being investigated because you're already propagation, but some go through this list and I was like, all right, I'm like, I'll look up the first like dozen or so guys, so copy/paste search, nothing concave nothing like for guys, it's like a weight that dude, he was a pre-party detainee. I was, he detained for, and I'm looking up information about this is a bad guy. This guy's a national security concern, by definitely this dude's. A bad dude, and I was like, I'm

gonna go through all now. So I go back to the top again and I start going down, pop up. And I think by the time, We got to like the 17th guy. He was on the loose on the watch list and I'm like, I'm not getting like, he landed. Let's say, like a 31st by like, September 20th or October 3rd.

He's already on the watch list and it's like, like you guys got to be kidding me. So out of the 600, there were, I think around, I think there's like 35 to 50 terrorists, like, dudes on the watch list, or dudes, taking off the watch list. Here's the 35 to 50. Yeah. And that this is a list of six hundred out of 88,000. So one of these guys gets to America, he's coming in through the checkpoint of CBP.

We, you know, if you flown in Ashley, you got to go to the CBI officer and then they're like, oh snap. This guy's actually the terrorist watch list, so they fly in back to wear. And then they find a key like back to like Germany or Qatar and then they take them off the watch list and they find out getting out and it's like, it's like, okay who him back out to take. Off the list and then brought him back in, right? So it's like okay, so either this dude, is just okay the

worse or is something or right? I mean, that is that's the only possibility, right? So he decided to cooperate in some way with friendlies or something like that. So here's here's the other thing I knew that we had a bunch of guys. Are you familiar with the coast Province Force? You familiar with them, KH. Also, got a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Coast Coast Province force was like a militia group in that area that were capital. I don't like know these guys.

But yeah, sure, sure enough. So they would like 35 or 40 of them that had come in from, from coast and they come in, you know, as a unit and they had been prior, you know, fighters on behalf of some CIA interest. So some probably some gray level interest and who knows, right? So they set up a camp in this was at Holloman, they were in Holloman, they had like 35, 40 dudes and they set up their own little Outpost, and these are all like twenty eight forty year old men.

They've all Seen combat, they're all walking like that because you can see they don't, you know, who they are. They're different than the rest of these people that are hanging out with their families and trying to figure out like, you know, where the toilet is. These guys are like, they're they've they have a unit and they have cohesion and I guess, one of the things they did was they decided to grab them. Do you know what chai boys are? Yep.

So they grabbed a kid who was 17 years old city kid. That's old. That's all for driveway for sure. He was young looking though and so there's, I mean, he was so they grabbed him and then they pulled him away from his two, older brothers, who were like 20, and 22, or 21, or 21, and 24, or something like that. Shove them off in Germany said, he's with us, took them push them through got his ID to say that he was 19. Not 17. So now an adult by American Standards fluid in the United States.

His brothers went to Virginia, where they had family. They had an uncle up there and that's where they ended up in Northern Virginia. Landed Alison went on to the rest, their life. You know, I talked to the uncle on the phone, spoke grade English, had a small business of some kind like a carpet business, maybe or something to that effect construction, but a nice enough guy had been in the country for ten years. Like productive member of

society. The kind of people that you would hope would come over here and do what you would expect when you join. Erica. And the tube that you boys are with Him boys being in there, you know, early 20s. This kid is gone.

Just totally nobody knows what happened to him and the only reason he shows up is because I don't know if he made an allegation to somebody or someone made an allegation that they had seen something happen and they id'd him and he sort of like indicated he might have been the kid. But essentially these guys about 20 of them were keeping him

under guard at all times. Like, you know, five to six, dudes were like surrounding him at all times, holding on to their prize, and then they would just get him boozed up. And we're taking advantage of him sexually. And so you know take them to the showers together with a couple of dudes, whatever. And of course, that's of course, he's 17 years old and he's 19 years old rather. Sorry, no, he was 17 because he was underage.

So he's underage, which was the only saving grace in when I got in there but you know, end of the day he's I'm sure shockingly embarrassed and he's dealing with his foreign culture and he's looking at this dude. He didn't know anything about me and so I'm trying to explain to him like I just need you to tell me what happened because I'm going to go after these guys and we could It out of him in the end.

But like I knew that he was old and he was young enough that he was too young to be in the adult end of the camp. And because of that, I was able to pull him out and got a DHS guy and we resent him to Virginia. I'm sure you'll be traumatized forever. I mean, wrecked. You know what I mean? And like, that's one little story of like human destruction. That happened because of failure to vet because of inaccurate

information. And because, you know, we took a bunch of dirt balls that were in the CIA that were in the CIA operations over there and brought them over. And generally speaking, I say we are on the side of bringing over our allies. I think those guys would have been probably just fine if they stayed there too because they seem like scumbags. They, they chased five Air Force Security Forces members that were in full like battle rattle.

They look sort of ridiculous, like a little doughy, you know, I don't know if you know, Air Force Security Forces but I have a love-hate responsibility with them because I thought my God Cooper as though, I remember that, you don't even want to get me started on where they got that Beret, because they actually stole that from combat control back in the day.

But Um, all that being said, there's like, you know, six armed members of our military on us soil in an American Air Force Base and these guys literally stalk through the streets, trying to keep their kid that we, that we were taking and at the end of it, what happened was? And I'm I'm kind of a funny, dude. So, like everyone, I went out to the Indian Reservation.

Whenever I went out to these these, these two camps, I always have a, I've got a white Stetson, it's a straw stats in for work because I sweat through it all the time. And I've Got some Justin All American cowboy boots and so I would wear my Stetson and I wear my boots and I wear jeans and I wear it open pistol rig. And so, that's what I'm in. Like, you know, like attacked please please tell me and you could lie to me. It was a revolver, right? I do have a revolver. Second.

I say, yes. So I've got a 44 mag version of that. That's like nine inches of Western justice, but I don't wear that on duty so I didn't wear that on the pretty good thing, but I'm wearing like lock. And I'm wearing my stuff and I got my badge and all this stuff. And so yeah. So we're walking through. I go get the Kid. And we you know witness victim interview interpreter, the whole

deal. I tell them to go back with him with the was I think the first sergeant goes with me and we go and we gather all the kids stuff up and I'm like I'm not gonna leave your side and I'm not gonna let anyone touch you again. Like you're you're done with these dudes. I'd almost swear right now, but I don't feel good about any of those clowns. So we get all this stuff, he starts leaving First Sergeant's

with him. Got the armed guard and we get this like mob following us. Like I said, probably like a half-dozen and growing Owing and I turned to the first sergeant and I was like I was like Hey sure just get him out of here. You take him. Take your security forces and

get out of here. Take a more needs to go and I'm going to stand here and I just stood in the middle of street, like, like a gunfighter, look, you're just like a complete and I just looked at him and they're grinning at me because these guys aren't scared of much, you know, and, and I kind of gave

one of these things. Like, I just kind of gave him the eyes, you know, and, and they're kind of like chuckling at it. And I don't think they understood English. And if they did, they weren't gonna let on to it and He said something to the effect of I was like if you keep following this boy, I'm going to shoot you dead in the middle of this base, you know, and I just stood there for about eight minutes, you know, until they got away and then I

kind of did a like a slow about face and walked off and that was the end of it for them, but these guys were totally unfazed by being in our country and they have no interest in following, you know, they brought their culture. So, not not concerned in the least because they know exactly who generally speaking Americans are and that that was their experience when they got to the camp.

And of course, in the meantime they've got like they had a couple of agency dudes that were on the base that we're Like giving them stuff and, you know, hooking them up with new things and, you know, new phones and cash and whatever else and they weren't even supposed to be on the base. But I mean people don't understand how crazy these these bases were. They were many foreign territories because we had 10,000 foreign Nationals that were as you mentioned very very poorly vetted.

We had dozens of government agencies in there from DIA to CIA to you know FBI to probably some NSA posts. There was every branch of the Armed Forces and There until

branches. We're all set up in these big Huts so we'd go into like to come on the comms Billy and you'd literally look at their be 150 people in a big tent, you know, and everybody had to little Enclave of what they were doing and some people had maps and some people were, you know, organizing Red Cross. And some people were trying to figure out how to get people, you know, clothing or food or you don't organize the logistics.

And some people were over here, doing the ghs Smithson and doing wedding, and trying to figure out, who's who, I mean? It was insane. They had human sources that were being reported in the a debrief rooms that they were bringing in their sources that it was. It was in Insane. I have to imagine it was like the end of a war on the other end and we just brought it here and we did the end of the work here basically. Yeah. And and and that's how you end up with minimum dozens.

But I mean, how comfortable would you say if you said you saw about 8%, looks like right 8% of the of the 600, you looked at you think that held across the bigger even if it was five percent of 88,000, No because I'm looking at this in like February and they were still adding. And so these guys are looking up and on the watch list and they're getting put on like a few days prior.

So know I'm short ending this thing when I say like 35 to 50 that's out of 600. Now it's important in this to that is the national the terrorist watch list, which again has a high threshold to get odd, right? Doesn't include the other bad guys on the dod by maternal watch list. And the sad part is there are people at DHS that like, oh that's just the dod of you'll it's like, yeah. These are the guys that were bad guys in Afghanistan. They're going to be bad guys

here, too. Let's like this not hard and enough. So if I was to give a number out of the 88,000, I'd say at least five thousand give or take minimum. But here's the crazy part though. So even dudes on the terrorist watchlist, they're not all just category 7 like, thread it through the United States, right? And all Category 3, like, remember the reduces down there? There were like collections, they were like Intelligence Officers. We had one guy.

I know is category 15. He actually used explosives or Firearms, so he's a natural fighter. But there was also recruiters, they were religious leaders, they're all kinds of categories of these dudes on the watch list and it's like, okay there's no way that they're all just hang

around the airport. Like this was I think a effort by them to get into the country, to do, whatever to just continue operations because that's still their goal is to bring down the United States. They still want to attack us but your terrorism right. Even though it's been 20 years since 9/11 or whatever the time. So it doesn't matter. They have an interest in defeating us and we jacked up layers, we jacked up their territory for two decades.

Yeah, we test them. Yeah we just said The Hornet's Nest and just kept throwing rocks at it, it's like, yeah, when it's gonna happen now what were you aware that people once they got to these bases, whether it was in Dover, I think there was one, there was definitely one of Delaware somewhere and one of my buddies was the XO there. And then, you know, we had the two that were in my area. There was probably like six or seven time across the country.

Were you familiar with the fact that they could just walk off but they didn't have to check in or with anybody that they literally could just walk. Did you know that? No. Are you serious? So we had several hundred. No that's not exaggerating. I think like somewhere between two and four hundred when I was

paying attention to it before. I was unceremoniously removed from my abilities to be part of the FBI's operations but we had several hundred who literally just walked off grabbed an Uber and they're gone and just gone wherever. Yeah, because it was because they weren't being, they weren't being detained. So they weren't under guard. They literally could walk down the road call.

And Uber as long as it didn't go through the, you know, through the Army checkpoint, but they could walk around the checkpoint, which would take 10 feet. Like, the Army was not authorized to stop them from leaving the base and neither were the, it was a little bit harder at Holloman because Holloman, just the geographic location of it. It's much more structured and the camp was deep into the actual base. We had to actually walk through the entire Air Force Base, which

is a little bit daunting. I think, for a lot of people but for Fort Bliss, where it was, it was on its own section out, where the shooting range. Ange is where they basically just set up this like, Tent City.

And so, it was all by itself. There was a road, that went through there normally, but it was cut off to normal traffic and you got turned around if you were like a truck or something but it cuts, literally from El Paso, like all the way into the center part of of White Sands which is kind of deep in the heart of the southern part of New Mexico. So you can literally roll all the way through and they just shut that off. But you could walk from the camps, it would have taken you 15 minutes.

To just end up on a road and you could have called an Uber if you knew what you were doing and then some people walk North maybe like 15 miles or 20 mile honesty. If you walk 30 miles, you would have got to my house because I was 26 miles north like through a little mountain pass. And you literally would end up right in my neighborhood.

Which was if you kept walking, like when I went on the hikes that I used to go, you could walk up to the fence and it was like, you know, by Commander thought of the Holloman Air Force Base. You can't go here and then if you turned around and you went like three hundred yards, the other way it would be like, you know, By order of the White Sands Missile Range. Commander, you can't go here and you're like, dude, like neither of these things are even close.

I mean they're miles and miles and miles and a mountain range on the other end of it. But those were all US Army and US Air Force property. But for whatever reason, you, these people just walked off literally hundreds of them from the camps that I'm aware of. And like I said, they were five or six and that was in a very, very small amount of time. So really quick, it's just replacing out with that. So, these are dudes that were They knew they can get off.

Yep, they did. And they knew how to like get out of there. So like, you know, do an Uber right? Okay, so, Who would have that ability to know, all those kind of things, might either dudes, that know this system. And there are they've maybe been here before, maybe they're kind of westernized. Okay. Got family guys going to be brave enough. Yeah. But are they gonna be brave enough to violate the know what they're doing is wrong? So I know is that they're trying

to escape, you know, whatever. I think they're going to try to maybe follow the process has to go through it ever. Not all of them, may be sure but it's like, no. Because in theory there was like, some sort of paperwork you would get at the end of this, right? I mean, that's the goal, like they stuck around and then State Department or CIS. I guess we probably the one like you get parolee number. You get paperwork, you get access to money, authorization, card work, authorization, only

things. These people abandoned school together, All right. So then it's like okay so then who would want to get hell out of there as fast as you can even though they have all these good things coming your way. It's like probably guys are bad guys. I'm sorry if there's 100, I would say there's 12. You know, I mean it's like it's just there's no way it's just a numbers game. That makes exactly. It's just that point. It's like there's so many now.

You can, you can make a just Nepali that money, easy? Yeah, statistical, statistical, smattering of once you start looking at it you know the roughly 100,000 people that came in here knowing that. So you didn't know that before you and I just talked right now. How does that make you more or less worried? Hey mrs. Moore. But it's like, why am I shocked Aaron? It's like, we have, of course. That happened. Of course, that happened by my shots. That's my fault.

Actually that you're shocked. Yeah, yeah. And it's something, it's truly nuts to think that, well, I think this is because we had so many different government entities that were involved in. Nobody owned any process of it. So everybody was like, not me literally, when I showed up there doing my job. Yeah. They'd be like, hey FBI, like come in and do this thing. And it's like, what do we Doing and they're like, somebody got into a fight in the tent and it's like what happened there.

Like, they kicked your shin really hard and she has a bruise and I'm like, Okay. Is she bleeding still? And they're like, no, it's just a bruise. And I'm like, the only thing that made sense is that I worked on the Indian Reservation where that sort of absurdity would like, normally, that would come in and you go, is the leg broken off permanently because that's our standard, like, unless they no longer are able to use that limb like kicking somebody in

the shin doesn't count. Unless they're you've lost limb or function of limb permanently or at least for a long period of time. No, you know, you break a face, you facial fractures on a punch. Maybe we'll go in for those kind of things that's actually like not even that easy. But we had an agreement of like what we could and couldn't go and investigate that the locals would deal with.

So oh yeah. Yeah. And it was like, it was very specific and we rarely ever got there, like it had to be death or serious physical injury. Which is pretty narrowly defined under federal law to. So that was like, what we could go do. They had local police departments for for the Indian reservation and then when we were dealing with the Afghan refugee camps, it's not like anybody was dying.

So, sexual assault would have been our game because that's pretty straightforward, but then it would have had to been a like a really aggressive aggressive beating and we had a couple guys, I got to end up like one, dude, I guess he went over some chick and he said, hey, you're my wife right now and then she was like I don't want to be a wife and he was like no by our customs like you're my wife. And she was like, I don't think so, so she wouldn't talk to the elders.

And then like, six, dudes, tuned him up, explain to him that he's not able to take this wife. I mean, actually, I'm kind of like, fair enough. Like, you know, like, I don't know what you try. I don't know what your system is, but it sounds like you straighten him out. I don't really want to deal with this. I don't even. That's results. Yeah yeah the result is you know and then it was on an army base.

So what do we do with that than the Commander's kind of like we gave them a warning and told them not to beat up people anymore and we're like yeah that's good. But I mean that sounds reasonable. Don't beat up people but nobody got a briefing. When they came over to like what are the laws of this country? What do you behold into? So they don't know. That's the other big thing we talked about.

So forget about like the people that are actually here to cause brought problems, how about the people that don't understand our cultural norms and got no briefing on it at all none. So There are these things that states do but they can, like, do a familiarity. They can just call translation they reach out to like new refugees, whatever. The hey, by the way, your America now. So we are so I reached out to one of the states that was, you know, is living in and I was like, hideous.

Why like some briefing material? I'm like Afghan culture on with these guys have gone through on, you know, being past June, versus whatever, and then they were like, yeah, because we do not have a lot of Afghans out here. So I was like, yeah, let me take out of you that work.

Hey, work. Like here's the, you know, the state entity over here, I'm trying to help them out, and whatever, can you give me some, my briefing materials that like, you know, I won't give it to. I'll just give it a, like, literally transfer him. I'm not gonna brief them. But like, you know, can I just help them out there like? No, that's not your job to run. It's just like again, like I'm hearing it again. This is the nature of how it

works. It's just, this is, this is the real status though of how our government operates on that level. So yeah, it was kind of setting. I think this is a good kind of final topic to kind of end on but it should explain to people like the dysfunction as you

mentioned. You shouldn't be surprised even though you are and like the the depths of the stupidity should not ever surprise us, kind of like the depths of like what I always do it's like what what's a good hook is where that come from right, you know, because we have this like innate belief that one people are mission focused and to that people want to do their job. And we Enough people that are,

that's the real thing. I think this is the reason why then coming after you for the child trafficking situation, the FBI coming after me. It's the same surprise because you're like, wait, I thought we were all in the team to do the right thing here. I'm just doing what I think is, right? Even if that even if you disagree with me and there's like some consequences for it,

that's okay. Just be honest about it and then we can all still be friends not when you go about it dishonestly or when you go like sorry that's not my job. I don't actually do citizenship and Immigration Services that's just the name of the agency. What I do is this very narrow box so I used to tell people that but there's a parable for this. You ready for this? Oh yeah, you'll like this. There's a parable of the

stonecutters. Okay, so, man's walking down the road and he sees these men and they are cutting Stone. And there's a cathedral being built, like, in the, whatever, in the city. And so he knows about this and he asked the first guy. He goes, what do you know? What are you doing? And he goes, well, I'm a stone cutter. And, you know, I am chipping away at exactly this size block. And I'm, you know, just these specific dimensions and so on and that's what I'm generating.

And he's like, oh, okay, and so that he asked the other guy and he goes, you know, what are you doing? And he's like, well, I'm on a team, we're building a cathedral. And we have a lot of the, like stonecutters that are just really interested in like, cutting the block exactly to the specifications that they're interested in, right? I think there's three stone cutters but I can't remember the third right now.

So you lose part of the, parable off the text, it to you, but a lot of people are cutting that stone to hit the exact metrics. It's like these are the checklist things that I do. I only vet as far as I need to go and I don't do any further.

And then there's the people that are on the team that you and I are on, and it's like, well, I'm I'm on the team that cuts the stone, but like, if you need me to carry it, that I'm going to carry it. And if we're going to hoist it, or you need me to mix mortar to like I'm on the team is building a cathedral so probably just because I have a skill set doesn't mean we don't do more. We have that one as analysts similar you have gophers or so you have groundhogs and you've

got foxes, okay? Like Groundhog's Day, know a lot about a little, they go deep but it like this. Yeah. But Fox is they kind of hop around They know a lot about a little, they know a little about a lot of stuff though. So I can jack of all trades. Yeah. And that's problem with the specialization of, you know, like government function, you want to get like the best whatever they want to get. People will stay in that crap for a long time.

And yeah, you're saying spot on though is like, it's so it's so, obviously compartmented but like tunneled or it's like I only do this. I do this form eyes. Rigid questions. 1 through 6. Yep. And it's Like, yeah. But did you understand that question? 17 needs your input better for this thing is like, know why am I doing that? I didn't touch it. I did it already.

Yeah, when you're rigid and you're right as you get deeper in that tunnel, you have less wiggle room because you can only go down and you can you can go up but you can't go depth. But if you're shallow you can kind of keep pushing outward and have more and you need both to be fair, right? I mean we could we would agree with that and you have to have a good mix of those but without that mix you get Either rigidity or maximum flexibility where it never gets the mission done.

But you can't do both. And unfortunately, we either hire one or the other type, like I find like until shops tend to be very compartmentalized. It's like, we're all, we're all deep diggers like what you call them groundhogs run? Alex, we're all groundhogs here, or everyone's a fox and like, but like the foxes, don't know, every single thing you need to know. When you get to the deep subject, you don't have that guy and you really need people that are moving around. You need both like that.

Like so many things, the answer is both. And that's not how government hiring works. It turns out and it's not how government missions tend to work. They get what they call siloed, right? Oh, very smart mented, siloed. And then people get rigid in their and they're thinking, and they're not flexible. And then if you're not, if your job is stonecutter, and your job is not part of the cathedral team, then you're not going to go above me on which is why you

found a problem. Maybe it's why I found a problem maybe because my my people are always team people and and your, that's what matters. Well, and your empathy towards the guys that were out there in the fa, bringing them stuff, that's a team mentality. It's like, look, we're all on the same team and your team and your situation sucks right now and mine is like marginally better. And and it's a very Christian thing to do.

Well, come full circle with this is to what is the team need from me to give a you know, like give to others it ends up being the right thing for the mission. It's the right thing for them and it's the right thing for you because it feels good to be part

of the team that's winning. And if you don't do those things, I mean a lot of these There's a reason why Western Society is built on Christian ideology and Christian understandings because if you don't do those things everything sucks a little bit more and you end up with a bunch of terrorists running around waiting for something to blow up in our country right now, which is where we're living, which is such a crazy thing to think about and that's the crazy part

two is because it's like there's already this all those border being wide open and it's like we know you've got the transnational crime milk coming in. We know there's Terrace, coming in I can guarantee you now because it before in the You know, the old days of immigration like spice and foreign actors and foreign intelligence, they had a like wiggle their way through the immigration at worked and they might get caught. It said no now you can go across border claim, Asylum and that

you are protected. You're not in the game. You're good actually. Yep. Yeah. It's is its, it sucks being in it and it sucks looking back on it as you know, it still exists but that's the worst part two is like, you know, when you try to explain to people like just how bad it is and just like not without being on. We'll be in it like you know big do more guy but it's like no guys. It's like it's you know it's bad but it's like but it is really

worse than a systemic level. It's like you try to get the people understand and it's like it's hard because it's a lot of information and sometimes he was kind of like know who would they start checking out and you know, where they're gonna say you want some pies to start failing on you? They just can't handle a everybody. If people talk to me about like you know, I don't know, science stuff like you know, it happens, everybody know you're right?

It's upsetting though, because that is the nature of government though, especially with the way we perceive the hiring process, and that goes on so many different levels to. And that's it, is it sucks. Any, any, any positive thoughts that you have, since you've been out, you've had some time to reflect on it, anything that you think is going to be moving the needle in the right direction that you're seeing, now that you're kind of a little bit away from the problem, or is it all

just frustrating? It's guys like you, it's people talk about this inside platforms and like really good these things out there because It was that wasn't me, that wasn't meant to be a plug for me, but that's nice. That's very thoughtful of you just silly but it's like, but that's the thing though and I'm not trying to start bashing big networks and whatever but it's like you go into stuff. You get things deep and I'm sorry, like there's half the media out there with just a media.

If they got this information, they would use it to kill the story and you guys don't like you. You guys really prefer, you know, pursue these things and really kind of get it out there and I don't care if it goes out to a smaller audience, it's not as that kind of cares and it's a lot more active So it's hitting more people that do things with it, as opposed to the three million viewers that will sit there in the school, will consume it changes Channel. And, you know, it's kind of gone.

So I have hope for that talk to people as a whole. I've got Twitter spaces all the time. I talk to people. I like, I like being those things to partake when I can but also to listen and, you know, I still think people are really hopeful and like too many things and I try to remind them like, you know. Yeah. But guys like the state is still really bad. Like that's the problem. And I'm seeing them kind of come around now, like accepting it

with like, you know? Well, yeah, there is that it's like, that's good. Hey, as long as you understand, like, don't have all your eggs in one basket for an option because some people are just way too. Like let's vote our way out of this thing and it's like yeah, that's not going to happen. If it was it. Yeah, it's like just I always tell people that don't get it.

I'm like just please make 10 friends and 10 miles like just just build a network and like really good rapport because that's that's worth it, long run.

The last thing I think they're gonna tell me this, do you feel like there's a Advantage guys like you and me coming fresh out of these, these different experiences but now not being burdened with sort of the government non-disclosures or not even a non disclosure is that's not what we're dealing with the you know the have to filter, everything through public affairs, exact give you some some ability to share information in a way that you think is like because it's

really hard knowing this stuff and not being able to talk about it obviously and you did it for a long time. Yeah that. Yeah. And I'm not gonna lie to you. There was at the end before. Went to the Veritas, there's a point where it's like, I would go home and I'd be in tears at night time and it's just like, I'm sitting there, like, I'd go watch like my, you know, my kids games, whatever be an airport, I'd be whatever. And I would lie. People watch, right?

I'm sitting there going. Like these people really don't understand how bad it is. It's like in how could they? Because their media doesn't tell them these things because they're not trying to because I, you know, but now that it's out, it's, it is so it's not just refreshing. It feels like someone's like, I kind of feel like revved up if you like now. Let's talk about this. Like let's actually the things out there. Yeah. And I've seen the way you've

been coming at will learn. I've been seen the way you've been coming at media, that you've been in the Twitter spaces, which I do as well. And I have kind of the same thing. I think it's cathartic in some ways to it gives you an opportunity to just be like look you guys need to know this information, I have it but it doesn't help me. It has to help all of us, you

know, that kind of thing. So I love the, the kind of the Zeal that you've been running at it with and I hope that all continues, where can where can people follow you? Where can they weave? Hold out, your What do you got in the on the burner? You have any, you know, potential jobs that are that are looking at your? Is there an industry that people kind of steer you towards? I really want to continue helping out finding trafficking. So I'm trying to, you know, get in with that profits.

That's the world. I'm trying. I'm trying to navigate. I'm still doing about myself to

him. So do my own research and like, I'm right now talking to case managers domestic fostering, by the way, to, but the case managers previous whistleblowers parents that were inside the system, they know about it, volunteers, that know about these things because they've hit me up on Twitter, and it's like, yeah, I'll talk to you about some and so I've talked to quite a few of them, but at least about a half dozen or so. But, like really good.

Into an understanding things. And these are people that have like, a decade in the system. I've talked to former survivors and that those are. The, those are hard. Those are really difficult to listen to, but it's good to know, right? And look, I so, I mean I'm on Twitter, Twitter truth, and GAP under that same handle Gap. I don't really do a whole lot on a limb because that's more of

like, a, I'm letting it build. I kind of go on there for more like to, you know, check out memes, I'd read more conversations, I, you know, those kind of stuff. Okay? I most active on Twitter right now because the engagement really high. It builds on Truth as well. Just wait for the day that you has not there. But yeah. And then otherwise, you know, I try to join conversations all

the time so whatever I can. So folks if you want to follow Aaron, you can follow him from the show notes on any of the platforms that you're looking on and then I will tag him as we release this thing. So if you're finding this through obviously, through Twitter, or through truth, which are my two big platforms, I do there will be links in his alt tag is handles, you can find it real easily. Once again, I, you know, I follow them as well. I I like what? He's got to say out there, I

think it's really important. Errand, I do appreciate you spending this time on this, the sort of later evening, folks, we broadcast this on Monday morning, but we shoot this over the weekend for you, so that you have it first thing in the morning and you got it for this whole week. I know we went a little bit long, I think sometimes this information, there should be no time limit on it so I try not to worry about that for our Mondays.

So that is that is the scoop that is what probably bring you back on again, to and we'll talk maybe counterintelligence threats, Southern border because I think there's a some visibility there that you and I We have some, we'll give it some time for let people to kind of chew on this and to reach out to you. But folks, you've been listening to the Kyle serif and show. If you do like these kind of conversations if you enjoy, what you had to hear, please hit that

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