TIM KENNEDY: Round 2 | SUNDAY Sit-Down | Ep 589

All interviewers have their own style, and my style is to try to get to the point and to be intensely curious. And the key to interviewing is listening. Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower and American patriot. Prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for comforting lies. Here is civil liberties enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI agent Kyle Serafi. Well. Hello my friends and welcome to our Sunday sit down.

Today is going to be Part 2 of our interview with Tim Kennedy. And while the first part of it was a little bit awkward because he was sitting in a vehicle with no air conditioning running in the Texas heat, we found out that he was only about 12 minutes down the road from where I live. And so he decided to come and stop into the studio and do it in person. And there's something to be said about an in person interview. It's a little bit different. Today is going to be. Kind of fun.

It's less of an interview and maybe more of a discussion because Tim and I do not hold the same views about what's going on in the Trump administration and some of the folks that are out there doing it. I think that we both agree that there are wins. I think we agree a lot on principles, but we disagree about how to get it done. So you're going to hear some of that. I think it's polite push back and I hope that's interesting to you guys.

I think we should all be able to defend our positions. We should do it respectfully. And at the end of it, we should be able to walk away and shake hands as friends or take a hug and send somebody out the door and thank them for coming along. So that's what today's program is about. Both of us have an affiliation with the folks over at My Patriot Supply and they're the ones that bring you today's Sunday. Sit down again. Part 2 of our Tim Kennedy little experience here.

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mypatriotsupply.com/kyle. There is a link in the show description as well as all the things about Tim Kennedy if you guys want to get that done and follow him. And let's get into that discussion right about now. All right, I like it. We're in light and dark. You're the first person to use that microphone, so be gentle with her. I'm going to Deep Throat this, let's just see if I'm what's up dude. Nice boobs, thanks. Yeah.

All right, So fun story. My last partner in the FBI was the fifth group guy who then got out and went to 19th. They're the only real group. I don't know if you know that. Is that the answer? Yeah, we'll do a fifth group guy to 1/5 like everybody else is just like kind of Green Berets, right. But like if you're from the Legion, if you are fifth group, that's a different thing. Yeah. So as a 7th grouper like, we actually never had any real deployments.

So my buddy has the most unfortunate name, which I will not say while we're recording, but I'll tell you afterwards. And going through the Q course was brutal. From what I can tell, he had a just one of those special names where apparently cadre was like is someone fucking, you know, pranking me with this name? They. Want. They want that he's just. They they do, and thank God for that. Yeah, super stud short. Tall, young, old, unique name. You're just going to get brutalized.

Right. You can't be a Gray man if you have a last name like he does, and a first name which no one's ever heard before, but sounds like something that would happen to you if you were running in like, let's say, wet shorts. Oh, sick. It's not good. No. And your last name sounds something like a phallic device. Yeah, you're in bad shape. Thank you for the coffee. Yeah, my pleasure. So these boots, I bought them 'cause I was working on a res.

I went into a store, a little mercantile place in, in Las Cruces. I'm doing FBI stuff. I'm like, I'm on a res. I'm wearing a white hat so people know who I am. I'm just rolling out there and I'm wearing boots every day because I'm in New Mexico. I'm from Texas. That's how we're gonna. Roll Indian reservations break my heart.

There's the worst. Places in America and people don't understand when we say the worst, there's bad places all over America, you know, like go, go to Baltimore, you know, like see, see some real. Almost the same though in a lot of ways. It's worse, it's worse. It's the same problem. Though. But at a scale that I and per capita way, way worse, right, the poverty level, the human trafficking, the drugs, the criminal activity, it's hopeless to it's just so hard which.

You said something about was it Creek? Is that, do you have a familiar? Do you? Lived near Rez at some point there. Yeah, I had. Which one? Well, when during my fight camps, I lived in Albuquerque, NM Oh, yeah, Yeah. OK. So like plenty of them I was. In Kirtland for two years. Oh, there. Yeah, there you go. That sadness everywhere. You. Look, you guys like you guys do in the fight camps were the people that we would do in briefings on.

We're like, look, you're going to go out in the street, you're going to think you're hot shit because you're going through APJ training. You think you're a stud and there's going to be a guy with cauliflower ear that's going to be just be waiting to take you apart on the streets. Will you please not act like a fool? Just be chill. Just remember, you're in the Air Force. I came, I came.

With that, Air Force just just. Remember, I just came from boxing with my 10 year old and we had that exact same conversation because he's like, yeah, I'm a boxer now. I'm like, dude, you're 10 and and I'm like, can you fight? He's like, yeah, I can fight. I'm like, no, no, you can't fight. Like you just say that I cannot fight. He's like, I know how like 123

like my jab crossed. I'm like, listen to me, you know nothing about fighting and you're going to think that you do. And the most dangerous thing in the world is somebody that thinks that they know how to fighting, how to fight, and then they fight somebody that can actually fight. It's it's the Dunning Kruger curve. Like you, you have some familiarity, so suddenly you think you know some things and you are the most dangerous person, mostly to yourself.

To yourself, Yeah. Thanks for having me over. I'm glad I'm not sitting in a hot Ford F-150. Dude, yeah, that that seemed like that was a that was brutal. Could you see the sweat like running down the side of it? Looks like well, like the good news is that you just finished working out, so like you were still keeping that the. Core body temperature was going. Then I'm in Texas and there was. No air conditioning running. No, I left it off 'cause I cared

about audio. Which is why I digged it up. It's. Perfect. All right, we were going to get into something fun, I think, and I want to have a polite maybe disagreement. And so I'll be, I want to mostly hear your opinion. I think my audience mostly knows what I think.

I want to hear your opinion and I'm not going to push back on it specifically, but what I'll do is I'll, I'll introduce questions to you if that's good with you 'cause I, I want to set kind of the parameters on it. I think that that's what we've lost in this society is like, can we politely disagree about? Things discourse is a is is a lost art, apparently. Yeah, we need monopoly on single feelings. We need to have like our our opinions issued to us.

So you believed and I and we're actually kind of in a good spot. Did you see the the Fox and Friends interview that happened this morning with Bongino? No, Great. Did you see the Patel interview that went on with Bret Baier last night? No. Great. OK, so I'm going to give you some of the stuff from it. I'm not.

And these are not gotchas. I just want to kind of like the first thing that was brought up that that made me uncomfortable is this ongoing discussion about a new facility and the reason why. And there's a guy named Mike Howell over at the Oversight Project. It's like an extension of heritage. They've highlighted that every FBI director has come in and used the exact same words about a new FBI building. And now Cash Patel is using those exact same words that we

heard Ray and comedy. And I'm sure if McCabe was asked about his same deal. And so these fall into this sort of like evidence to me that we're seeing the worst thing that that that I actually warned Cash about early, which is that the FBI tries to run the director. The director rarely gets to run the FBI. And I, I agree with that. And that's a problem of a

system. And what we have is, and I this this goes across the national intelligence committees, the commissions, the director of National intelligence, she's fighting systems and what you, you know, obviously president gets elected overwhelmingly in November. He then picks his cabinet. Those people go through the 1st Crucible, which is confirmation. And they at that point have to

start toeing a line. They take what were really strong opinions and they have to make compromises publicly about to ultimately accumulate enough votes for them to get confirmed. And if you're saying I'm going to shut down the Hoover building, you're not going to get confirmed. Right. No, I took that as hyperbole. And I think anybody who's thinking and saying a regular person would hear that and go, the dude's not going to walk in and shutter the place where several 1000 people work every

day. That's not reasonable. Well, first of all, I voted. For that, I mean, I did too, yeah. Like, but I but I voted for the spirit of that. Maybe not the letter of that. Is that fair? A. 100% So when you have this tiny little percentage, less than 1% of these appointed now confirmed people trying to fight against 10s of thousands of well positioned with way better access, way much more control.

They're fighting against a stream that ultimately controls the vast majority of the levers that make things happen. And if you're like, well, how is that possible? Like it says secretary or director and for their name, like how did they not have the authority? What they do have the authority, they just don't have the leverage. And how I would also say they don't have the attention span because no one does.

Like it's like saying the president runs the country and you're going to for me, and I always use this analogy, it's like, OK, are you trying to tell me that Donald Trump is responsible for what a base commander is doing in fill in the blank like in Omaha, NE? And the answer is like, that's the that's the equivalent of thinking the CEO is telling the Walmart greeter how to behave. It's just there's so much distance even between your high level people.

For sure, time and distance and space and that game, a telephone like this is the mission. And by the time it gets down and everybody adds a little sauce to it, it ends up being something completely different. So I get that that's not. And in this in this idea of of the decentralized command, you have ultimately the executive who picks his people. Those people are supposed to be in line with a vision and they're supposed to be executing this as to the best to their

resources and abilities. Then here, here's the problem, the I hate like saying swamp or, but it really does exist. And in every single organization and every single agency, they, it is in their best interest to resist any form of change because that that conflict, that friction, those changes put everything that they have and the money that they make and the influence that they have and the power that they have in jeopardy. And DC is a very it's, it's,

it's, it's addictive. These people get obsessed. So that's the thing that I think is the most dangerous. Yeah, it's that people, I would call it buying your own hyper, you know, eating your own cooking or whatever you want to call it. But the idea that you might look and say these. People really like me. Yeah. When they're really, actually evil, they don't like anybody, they only like themselves. And, and their power and their clout.

Then how do we reconcile with real world operations, real world investigations and current rule of law? So we, we, we could pick almost any issue, whether it's like just release a file. Well, some of those things you can't just do sure, the FBI has to be asked by Congress in some instances to release certain things and some things they

can't. If there's an ongoing investigation, like whether it's a FOIA thing that they won't be able to if they're it's going to put individual Americans, their information at risk, make them vulnerable an an operation or investigation that's ongoing. And none of these are closed cases. And I want to see people tarred and feathered in the street that had anything to do with Epstein that anything to do with PDP Diddy that had anything to do with January 6th. But how do you do that with rule

of law? Because if, if we just say, OK, fine, we're going to break the law and we're going to start throwing information out there. We're going to start releasing names, we're going to start releasing files. What we're breaking law and precedent. And now we're no better than what was. We're just on the other side of it. And we, and I, want us to be better than that because I'm first and foremost a constitutionalist. Yeah, I, I have no disagreement with any of that.

In fact, I don't need to see files and I never have. I, I mean, it's a touch button for people, I think on the right right now. It's like, where are the so, so and so files? It's like, what are you going to do with them? Like I was, I was a criminal investigator. I know that I'm not going to do anything because people will send me stuff and they'll probably send you stuff too. They're like, hey, Tim, you know, investigate this. You're like with what resources?

Like I have no database access. I don't have any sort of authority to demand documents. I don't have the ability to like to research your claim or investigate your claim. So I don't need. I do want the post like the the court of public opinion. I want these people humiliated forever. I want them to never have another job in Hollywood again. I want them never to get another sponsorship. I never want them to like Manny. You touched a kid, you're done for forever, right?

But do. With an indictment for me, like I don't need to see your name on a list. Yeah, well, that's fair too, but. Listen, every indictment is going to eventually be unsealed. Like you know what? Happens to these people in prisons, yeah. Yeah, they don't do well. Yeah, I want that. I want that.

And on their way to that, I want them to be politically humiliated like they're, they're so pretty, they're so untouchable, you know, like they, they had how many blockbuster hits Awesome. I it disgusts me. Deal with the public humiliation and then. A drop from the feeling of I'm I'm on top of the world to being nowhere and then go and actually find out what nowhere really looks like. Where someone tells you your

every move you. Buried information about cocaine in the White House. Whoever was involved in that needs to be held accountable. You know, whatever informants were were part of the January 6th debacle. Like they need to be held accountable. So here's where I'm going to. Here's where I'm going to challenge you a little bit. I think one of the problems, I think you, you're not ignorant to this problem.

I think the, the issue that exists is that you are now dealing with a culture that wants to enforce the status quo, that needs to protect itself, right? So that's DOJ wide, that's FBI wide, specifically in that little space. It's actually in everything over at OD and I, I've had people tell me that it's as bad as like, yeah, feel free to move it wherever. You want? It's not now we can see you. It's as bad as 80% that are fighting against what Tulsi

Gabbard's initiatives are. So 20% of people might be on board and 80% are pushing against it in any way they can and they don't want anything to do with it. So 95%, yeah, I think it's, I think the penetration is very high, especially when you start getting into more senior levels. So the question then becomes, I listen to Dan Bongino say for years personnel's policy, which I believe there's two ways that this thing needed to be approached in my opinion.

Something I shared with Cash and that I was really hopeful that he was kind of understanding thing #1 this is a corporate hostile takeover. This is a scenario where you have a, a business, right? the United States government business that has deliverables that they're supposed to give us and they haven't been, and they've been lying to the shareholders us. And so they've been screwing us on the, on that end. So that's your personal issue. But it's also, it's like a beach landing.

This is you've got to take sand before you can take Terra Firma, before you can take back any piece of that country because these people are actively, they're entrenched as you mentioned, they have well positioned and you know, and very well thought out defenses and they have a vested interest in you not doing the thing that you came to do. Would you agree with? All those things. So you're fighting A2 front war and you can, you can't fight indictments upfront like that takes time.

And I and I know that more than most people. And you can't do a lot of this other stuff where it's like release the names, give us the files, show us the video. It's like, what are you going to do with that? Nothing. Who cares? Take your time, do those properly, 100% follow the procedure. Don't screw up the prosecution

because of public opinion. But you can fire every single person over AGS 15 and every single SES are there, or you can put them on a unpaid or paid leave status and moving to Puerto Rico can't. Why not? I, I don't even know we'll, we'll just to make it simple so people can let's we, we take what, what is a really important utility of a small government, a fire department in Liberty Hill. OK, right here. If we went there and we said OK, the low level firefighter, you get to stay.

Firefighter, EMT, paramedic, you guys get to stay captain and a beyond and above, which is effectively what the equivalence is. You guys are all frozen like you guys can't come to work. We have to. We're shipping you down to Travis County where you can't do any damage. Yeah, and we're we're going to do some backgrounds on you, maybe some polygraphs. We're going to dig into some of your emails. All of your emails are not yours. That's the American governments and we get to look at them.

None of it's privacy. And then a fire happens in Liberty Hill and a kid burns alive. There's no way that the people of Liberty Hill are going to be like, this was a good idea. OK, so so now we're not talking about whether or not this is a solution, it's whether or not you can take the fallout if something bad were to happen is. That harsher the fallout, but but we share values.

I I think most of them and I and as much as I want due process and justice and transparency and radical change within these organizations to include the Bureau, the fallout is one piece of it. Not just the PR of it, but more importantly, the consequence in how do I the scales of justice US solving this systematic problem, the process that is broken within this organization to the fallout, morally and ethically of what could or would and I think you'd agree would

happen. I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to give you some concrete examples of something why I think it wouldn't. Well, and. And it's and it's really dark. OK, I like dark, but in this example, those firefighters are not going to know how to pay for filling up that truck. That's the captain's job.

Sure, right. And not even the chiefs job, but like one step, one pay grade above the captain, the guy that's gonna pay to keep the lights on in the fire department and then make the those are things that are echelon above just the operator level. And that's one fire.

But if we look at the national scale of an organization like the Bureau with HRT that's doing counterterrorism hostage rescue, that's that's working on Indian like how many Indian girls have to disappear or how many terrorists. So there's successfully. There's a couple of pieces on there that are that are one of the things the FBI has done since Hoover very, very well is sell the myth of the FBI. And no one knows that better than people who have been in the

FBI. So I'm going to, I'm going to share with you a couple things and we'll see if it shifts any of your opinion #1 when we had the COVID insanity, which I, I could not stand and I fear fear based, absolute. Yep, exactly what we're talking about living without fear. Some people did. And one of the ways you did it was by looking around, going, these numbers don't make any sense. I've seen how long it takes to get death statistics. I worked in an ER.

You know, if you have some experience in life and then you're like, they're running a ticker on Fox News and CNN. How many people in America have died? You're going, there's no way that's legit. That's not. Real. My brother's a deputy, a sheriff and I'm not to throw him under the bus, but he was also as a homicide investigator. He is the senior ranking guy for the detectives and the investigators. He had to sign with the the the more cause of death for the county.

And he'd be like, homeboy got hit by a truck. Why does it say COVID death? And they're like, well, he had COVID. They tested for him at the hospital. I'm like, he was walking crossing the highway and he got hit by what are you talking about? And here's all the numbers. It's death with COVID versus death from COVID. But those numbers are the same. Yeah, they're the same.

So we saw that. Yeah. One thing that happened and does happen in an institution that's captured by sort of a leftist ideology is that you get this group of people that are going to 100% get on board with the fear. And they're probably not very fit and they're probably not very self-sustaining, and they can't go without a paycheck. So they're going to do whatever

they're told. And the wildest piece, I guess, is that the FBI shut down, including the national security mission for a lot of field offices, including Washington, DC. And nobody knows. But they shut down to the point where counterterrorism agents who worked every single day in a skiff and theoretically the guys that are making sure DC and, and New York don't go boom, which is what I heard in an interview the other day. And I went like, they told you that.

And that sounds real until you actually worked in that skiff or until you worked in that office and found out that nobody else was there. And they were scheduling 30 minutes. And this is a legit #30 minutes twice a week. Come in and check your emails. Don't be in the same space as anybody else. So this is during COVID, right? For nine months to, to 18 months to the point where they started outsourcing all of these emails because they couldn't send them to the secure side.

They're sending them out in. And, and I actually ended up leaking some of them because they were so embarrassing how stupid they were. It was like, you know, people, it was like a, it was a drunken wine blog for like a mom. And she was putting it like she was the, she was the senior HR official at one point in time. And she was hitting up like thousands of employees talking about what her daughter's doing at cheerleading camp with a mask on.

And you're going like, what? But these people are not going to work. So the counterintelligence mission was analyzed in Washington, DC, where you'd think it's like probably the number 2 CTCI mission in the, in the country. New York is considered the most important for some reason. They have all the cost lists. Anyway, they fight back. New York and Washington are always fighting. When they did the analysis, my buddy was in the skiff when it got briefed.

They did the analysis of like, let's say 1500 cases. It's 100 agents working an average of 12 to 15 cases. There were only two that required daily updates. So the idea that there's this sensitive, like world changing mission that's going to happen in the CT space or in the CI space, it's mostly FBI myth being sold. That's my position from working with these guys and. That's a data set from a frozen world, like in a President Trump world. Isn't that when you'd want to do

something though? No, no. No, nobody was doing anything like during this Overseas. We saw lots of turmoil being Russia going into Ukraine. We saw Taliban taking over Afghanistan, right? We saw the cartels effectively doing all human trafficking, drug smuggling. We all saw Antifa take over Portland. We saw. Without a doubt. So all this stuff was actually happening in the United States. Also, DC got overrun in in in

June that that year. Yeah. And the White House they drove into the bunker during that time. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a degree of complicitness in some of those things. Oh, that overseas influence, I'm almost certain of that, yeah. But now and I, I obviously I've never been to the Bureau. I don't speak for the Bureau.

And I'm just speaking from my opinion from my friends and I, I do think that they have a really important mission being what is supposed to be the premier law enforcement agency in the United States and being responsible for the vast majority of the the most important forms of enforcement that can't be done by local municipals in cities, counties, states.

That I would rather err on the side of caution and not back back to my, my fire in the Liberty Hill example, because I think that we are more vulnerable now than we've ever been as infrastructure of a country. And what is systems that are poised to collapse if some of these things do collapse. If Director Patel comes in and says, you know, GS from this level and above, you guys got to

walk hands off your computers. We'll go through everything that that is the opportunity and the trigger for every single one of our adversaries to kick off the millions, 10s of millions of people that have come to this country, most of which not most of which that said a a a large percentage of are dangerous anti American operatives. Yeah, I mean, it could be a large volume without it being a large percentage. I think I can agree on that, right.

Like you could have 10s of thousands of bad actors and it still is not the majority of people. So I I know what you're saying. I don't know. Is that not, is that not just what the FBI want you to believe? Do you? Is there a? Possibility of Pi like I I I don't care what the FBI wants. I definitely.

Because they definitely don't want to have the GS15 and above put on standby to Puerto Rico the way that Kyle Seraphin wants them to go. I I, I by no means am I like trying to defend a government that I don't that I want to see shrunk down to about 10% of its current size. Sure. OK. We agree on that. Yeah. Like this I'm I'm hardcore into this, but how do I how do I do that? Let me show. Let me throw an idea to you. OK. You ready? Yes. So we spend $11 billion on the FBI.

I don't know what we spend on the DOJI should know off the top of my head, but it's it's more than that, right? And then you've got other money that's thrown into DEA, You've got other money into ATF, which we should get rid of altogether. There's, there's a lot of money there's yeah, there's 10s abolish 10s of billions. Of dollars agency name right now and like abolish right. Come back like Department of Commerce, Yeah. Don't need IT, Department

Education don't need it exactly. We can kick all these things because I don't want them, We want the. President Malay just be like. Yeah, I swear to all of it. Yeah, RIP it off the wall, throw it in the ground. But if you wanted to do that and you wanted to know a plan because everybody's like, oh, well, like, what's your, what's the problem? Problem's easy to diagnose. Anybody can call it out. Nobody cares if you can call it the problem. I want to know a solution.

The solution looks like this. That money can be reallocated by population to the states. OK. You're still going to have a DOJ of prosecutors because you're still going to need federal prosecutors that have the authority, the supremacy clause, and they have a constitutional duty to go out there and go after Interstate commerce and the other things, which, by the way, is way too big.

Do you know that the FBI can pick up a gun case because some dude like runs around with a gun and they go, well, that gun wasn't made in Texas and because it was sold from out of state, like it was made in smear to Georgia or whatever, like that Glock is Interstate commerce. That's the FB is Nexus. I'm not even exaggerated. That's literally what the affidavit will say to make a gun case, a federal case is that it came from out of state. That's not good.

And if they can't do it, that they'll do it off the ammo, you know, like that ammo came from Idaho, like it's federal, like at CCI or whatever. So they'll do that. So my, my proposition would be, and this is radical and this is like crying in the sky. This is not real today because no one's going to do this because it's too sensible. You take all the the billions of dollars you have, you allocate it by population set, you send it out there.

Then we have the thing that I want most, more local control, decentralized from DC, more controlled by the individual States and 9th and 10th amendment type stuff. You get your senior, you can set up the criteria. Each state can do it. 10 years as a State Patrol officer or as a senior deputy or as a somebody who's an experienced patrol guy and they can apply to be part of the federal task force, which would be deputized under 18 USC and 21 Title 21.

So they have two options to be able to enforce drugs or everything else. And when they do, they're answerable in theory to state policy. A state attorney general which has an election and some sort of local group that they go over and they get title. They all both have local authorities. And you know, that's really strong because federal agents can't pull people over. They can't do vehicle stops. They can't do probable cause searches, even though they

theoretically can. If you ever do a probable cause search, like on somebody or Terry stop, you're going to not have that job or you're going to find yourself in charge of the broom closet because they won't let you do it. So you get people who have actually spent time on the street doing real cop work and then let them be senior investigators and they've already been vetted for like a decade to know that they know what's going on and they haven't

had like all the infractions. And you pay that money with federal dollars and then they can still bring it. And by the way, we already have this model because they're called federal task forces. We do it with Haida and we do it with JTTF and take your pick. We get local officers and state officers all the time into the federal space to go bring prosecutions. And if they can't take it to the federal, they can still take it to the state. And you got the same guy doing it.

Yeah, I mean it, it's it is a cool radical idea and it does definitely give the proponents power back to the small local government, which is I think something that we do agree on this House of Cards that a lot of these agencies and specifically when it comes to the vulnerable national strategic problems, that is the Tulsi Gabbard problem, the Joe Kent problem, the Sebastian Gork problem, the Cash Patel problem, the Pam Bondi problem, Pete Hegseth problem.

Sure, you know, these people are not my best friends, but I know them pretty well. And Secretary Hegseth. Director Gabbard. I I I trust these. It's hard for me. Like Secretary Hex, not Pete. Secretary. I'm still in the military. So like Secretary Hegseth. Yeah, I get you. And not Tulsi, but Director Gabbard. That's right. I saw, I saw that that calculation. Sorry, I think everybody else saw too saw the the gears grind. I really trust.

These people and I know that Hegseth is trying to keep a Department of Defense operating because if we don't China, Russia, Iran, our cartels, they're just sitting there waiting. And I'm I'm, I'm pivoting to DoD because because that House of Cards he's walking a tightrope with like I want to do all of these changes which are over here. Here are the things that are keeping this and I can only take one or two things off at a time to stay in balance, to not let it fall apart.

I agree with all those. I I don't think there's any. I don't fault what's going on. I always look at the DoD as like being the, the watchtower of the century. That's looking outward, right? I mean, that's where the mission is. It's outside of the United States generally. And then your your DOJ is theoretically looking inward, are popular. Theoretically they they get over their skis and spend some people to go where they don't mean to be. But but I agree with you on the DoD thing.

Like Don Bongino, Cash Patel. Are are are they compromised intellectually? I don't think so. So I don't have to make it. It's in 90 days, right? Yeah. I don't make the argument that these guys have bad motives or that they have bad ideas or that they're nefarious actors. I I wouldn't do that. I I are they smart People generally are. We're all. But I think we're all vulnerable to one. Really. This is the biggest vulnerability. Have you ever walked? Have you ever been part of a

team where everybody hated you? Like, I just sort of, I sort of instinctively know that that that's been a thing you've done. You're a high achiever. You're outspoken, you're charismatic. Like you've got a big personality. You fill up a room. Some people hate that. Yeah. Yeah. And and when you go into a place where you're hated, it doesn't feel good.

And so if there was a way that you could ameliorate that problem, you might, especially if you didn't think it was much of A compromise and if it was presented to you as a win. Yeah, that that's a real big danger in a place where without a doubt, Dan said it this morning while he went on Fox and Friends. He said when we got into the office, we had people that came up and touched my arm and said, thank God you're here. We have all these things we need

to show you. You cannot make the argument that that agency, which is only interested in self preservation and full of corrupt and nefarious actors that need to self preserve. You can't tell me those people. They don't know how to go up there and win somebody over that might be the one that puts their head up and have been professionally trained their whole entire life to manipulate people to get what they want. We're talking about source recruiting. That's absolutely.

That's the, that's the. Goal in national intelligence at the agency, at the Department of Adjustment, You know who gets. Like the the vast majority of people that make it into the, to the senior rank of the FBI. So this is your your fifteens, but generally speaking, your SES that's going to be filling up your 7th floor, your executives, they come out of national security backgrounds and you know why they've got all the time to write their resume up because they're not running down

bad guys. Like the people that are working criminal cases are working criminal cases and they don't promote because that's why they're there. The people that want to promote, they find themselves one case. And we saw this over and over again. They briefed that case. Dan called them briefers.

There's a name for it in every agency, the FBI, like my buddies and I, we would see something and somebody would go like, well, we just did this thing and my buddy would look at me and he was a former smoke jumper and a Marine and, you know, like nose to the grindstone kind of guy. And he was like, yeah, that probably briefs really well. And I bet it does. And that's how you get promoted. Those are the people that they're surrounded with. So you don't have to impugn

their honor or their motives. And I don't lest anyone think otherwise. But I do think it's easy to get compromised, like your mission can be compromised without your principles. And you think you're actually doing a good job because people sell you. That's what their job is. And to not be, you know, that Monday, Monday morning quarterback because I'm not in their shoes. But what what I'm going to have to defer to is is a little bit of faith and trust on in the

person. And when we look at the the cabinet picks, when we look at the director Patel's and we look at the special Corkas and the Tulsi Gabbards and this egg Seths and the Joe Kents, like look at Joe Kent, the the the dudes fifth special forces group, like right, like the only one that matters, right, right. And then goes to the agency and is an app killer Kent. His name was Killer Kent and now he's sitting they. Just give that out to everybody.

Yeah, it's totally sitting, sitting at the head of one of the most important, you know, counterterrorism decision making positions, those that that's the Dream Team and the RFKS and the Doctor Oz's. I don't think they all got compromised in 90 days. But none of the things that I want to happen have happened fast enough and I can be sharpshooting. Like, why didn't they do this? Well, you had a great idea. It's a radical idea. Why didn't Cash do that? Why didn't Pam Bondi do that?

I don't think. Anybody was going to do that for? Whatever, it's just a good idea. They can't but but what I did see is I see examples of where it can be done quickly. I know, but confirmation bias, as you know an investigation is one of the most dangerous things where like I'm looking for examples that support an idea that they have been captured, they have been out leveraged, they are being manipulated and I just. I want to see examples where we're winning, and I do see some

examples of that. So for a ton of them, yeah. Yeah. So Treasury Scott Besson seems to be killing it. He brought people back. He took whistleblowers they were getting and he said, oh, you went and screwed those guys life over. I want you in charge of something. I'm going to scare the shit out of these bad guys. We're RFK in charge. RFK keeps doing a. Tons of wins so. Here's what I see and and I and I think secretary headsets has done the same thing in in the

areas where he's able to win. Like, like you said, 11 balancing act that that's a that's a tightrope, a a dangerous. One that if we fall off, Iran has another October 7th, yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's going to get our bigger significant, significant vulnerabilities if if you screw it up. And yet I see people in the media crying about some people and not crying about other people.

And I always kind of go by the same attitude that the enemy will tell you where you are weak and where they are strong and they will tell you where they are getting injured and where you you are not doing any damage. And if they're crying about people and you mentioned people that they're upset about, I see that.

I see Harmony Dylan show up to DOJ and 100 people quit the same like week that she's there because she came in and said firearms are a civil liberty and the Second Amendment is a civil rights thing that we're going to defend in this department. And people went like, I'm out, I'm popping smoke. I've been. Doing this for Felicia, Yeah. Exactly. Like good riddance. And yet that's tangible. You came in and sat down.

She laid down the law. She said what she was going to do and you're winning and and she's not the senior person, she's not Pam Bondi. That's not a comfortable chair, is it? That's fine. It's it's more I was like, I just got done working out and my legs are trashed and I'm still, I'm still busted from Murph. So people understand, like you came in and you said, hey, what's going on? And then you dropped trout in my kitchen. That's correct. Within about 90 seconds I put my.

Gun on your counter and I can I leave this here and I took my workout shorts off and I put pants on so I didn't sit here with like it felt right short origin shorts that. Would have been OK, too. OK, there we have a, we have a female audience. It's not the majority of it, but there's some. Like those are gross legs. They cover that hair. They would be excited. OK, we we're green on almost everything. It's it's about almost OK the the Y we're green on the end

state. We're green on it's, it's currently like we're sharp shooting a process. Yeah. How are they going about this? And I think my real worry is, is that because of the process, we're not going to end up at the end state. And and I hear you there. And, and here's here's my biggest, here's my biggest challenge.

If you were going into a country, country you hadn't been into scorched earth or you hadn't been there in a long time, OK. And you're you're going to take a team and you're going to go win hearts and minds and you're going to do what SF guys do. You're going to take a small group of your guys and you're going to take a nation back by using Indige forces. Do you want a local tour guide that you could trust? No. None. Yeah, of course. You want someone that knows the ground, right?

Like you need somebody that has like ground truth from the area. That person's really dangerous, yeah. Like you need, you need to know the lay of the land so you know who's the snake and who's the one that's selling you. You need to know that that guy just shook hands with you and promised you something, but he promised somebody else something the night before because that's how he operates.

And by the way, the last three guys he shook hands with got killed and they got dragged off in the dark and they were never heard from again. You'd want to know that. So you know, The thing is, and this is, this is a like a real in the weeds example, but we saw Steve Jensen get promoted. Did you see that? So Steve Jensen people were like were like, well, how come nobody was crying about him? Because nobody knows what DTOS is.

Because if you don't work in the FBI and you're like not a complete nerd who studies org charts, why would you know what the domestic terrorism operations section is in the FBI? Unless you just have like a real problem, like maybe you're autistic and that's your thing. But otherwise, you don't know who Steve Jensen is. But if you know what a section chief is because you've worked in the FBI, you know what that guy does, what he what he's

capable of and where he was. And you know that he doesn't know anything about the pipe bomber case because that's like saying a general, it's like a one star knew what was going on in the house that you kicked the door in on. Like maybe he was able to watch the feed but probably not. So in the past three months and confirmation bias, looking to negatives and negatives are a dangerous thing. Like if I have a salad and I see a speck of fly shit, the whole

salad's ruined. You don't want the salad. I'm not going to pick like that leaf up. I don't believe you. I think you're eating that salad. Oh yeah, I would. I would eat anything. What do you? Mean, I got to say I'm like, I hate that there's a hair in this thing. I'm going to still. Eat it on, on on the negative side of when you're evaluating something that it, it is way more toxic. Like during the election of 2016 and 2020, you know, Google very

wisely. You know, if you googled Trump or Hillary, you, you, you'd see a bunch of great things pop up and you'd see at the top for Trump, like womanizing, grab her by the blank and that then. Made the rest of the information that we're going to be BC tainted and and that's a dangerous thing in the in trying to get a kind of holistic, trying to understand a a full bell curve, the aggregate, the accumulation of information that we're seeing.

But when we have lots of positive examples, they're often times outweighed by the negatives. And I try to and it's not the way that our media works. We are not being fed any positive stuff. Agreed, like it's I only read the left-leaning media so just for your awareness. Like that's what I do. My day involves ABCCBSNBCCNNNNPRMSNBCI. Almost never go to any right leaning sources and I find a couple of independents every once in a while that I go look into that have stuff of interest.

I only want, I want to hear independents. I would love, I love finding new, new independent guys. Yeah. But like, I only want to see what people that I don't agree with say. So that's my attempt always. And I used to do this when I was when I was an FBI agent. It's like if I have a case that I think is really righteous, the first thing I want to do is try to disprove my case because if I can, so can a defense attorney.

That should be my job. That's that's the process is like, how do I find exculpatory information to make this not my case anymore to say that this case is not going to be good enough to prosecute. And when you do it, by the way, it's really satisfying. Like nothing makes you feel better, at least in my opinion, than realizing that you did your job and you're like, I don't care about outcomes, I care about fairness. So I'm going to go out there and

be really fair. And when you do, you're like, cool. Like I, I tanked this case. It's not good anymore. But the thing that I started off believing and the way it was briefed to me is not accurate. And there's evidence of it. And so the evidence destroys the case, like when you go that right, you end up with sure, you're you're not turning in as many investigations, but the one that you're turning in, you're getting crazy awesome conviction rates on. Well, that's what that's the

only thing that matters. And if it's and if it's sketchy, why are we doing this? You know what I mean? And so there's plenty of people. Bill Shipley said this, he was AJ6 attorney. He said the government has lost the ability to like be interested in the process that there should be no interest in the outcome. So we're talking about end states here. That's the thing that management might have.

But when it comes to the ground level investigators, all I want is people to go out without any preconceived bias, without anybody leaning on them and say, by the way, you're going to be opening the CT case or by the way you're going to be looking into these pro lifers. Or you're going to go out there and sit in the parking lot and write down, you know, license plates of parents who are hanging out at your school or want to, you know, do something like that.

Like, I want to see people just go out and find out that it's fair. And if there's a case there, great. And you know, and because there's lots of bad people, there's unlimited bad people. It's not like we have to like go out there and find more. There's unlimited evil in this in the world.

In, in this idea of balancing and objectively taking as much of this information as we can and how easy it is to look at all the negatives, the things that aren't happening, the, you know, files that aren't being released. What what I do see is that they're following law. They're not breaking the law. They're not releasing things they're not supposed to be releasing. They're they're going through due process.

Do I believe that there are embedded operatives that are trying to manipulate the director and the Bureau for their own interests and to maintain the status quo? Absolutely. Should they just be like escorted out? No, They they should be in appropriate policy and appropriate process within the Bureau, by the letter of the law, fired in accordance. We we have. That it and and they're doing that, but it doesn't happen in 90 days.

It actually can happen in one day and, and I'm going to give you my personal example of it, and there's no reason that you would know this, OK? I went to Congress in October of 2021 and I shared with him information about how the FBI had been abusing FISA. I shared with him stuff about the Afghan refugee camps that we had. We had two different parolee camps, whatever it was 100,000 in this country, 20,000 in my area of responsibility.

We had 20,000 at Bliss and 20,000 at Holloman Air Force Base. And I was investigating like weird crimes of people beating their wife that wasn't really their wife and people lying about their age and finding out that they were on some sort of a watch list, like all this kind of, you know, biometrics come back, whatever. So we're doing that. And so that was my task. And I brought all this stuff to Congress.

I showed them that they, they created an e-mail saying that they were going to do a threat tag on, on parents at school boards. And that was real troubling to me because I don't want to see that I'm a parent. Even though my kids were homeschooled, we were actually at an Actin Academy for two weeks and we pulled them out because I didn't like the way they were doing masking and a bunch of other nonsense in New Mexico. I I had an act. In school for one year before,

yeah, my wife was. My wife sent me a text about it before we started talking. She was like, apparently he had something going on with Actin, but it's no longer associated. I'm like, yeah, I remember hearing a little bit. I got kicked out and be currently being sued by them. That's what I heard, yeah. Yeah. We can talk about that. Another, I think we're we're aligned here. I just don't like people caving to stuff. So I saw things that I thought

were wrong. I brought up the Congress at the same time they came and told me you had to get a shot. I said, I'm not going to do that, mostly because they told me I had to. I don't, I don't like people pushing things in my face. And then I realized a lot more things. And so like I'm more on the RFK trip than I was then. I, you know, a lot of people open their eyes. I was told I couldn't come back into the office. And so I said, well, you're

going to have to kick me out. So I showed back up on the Monday. This was on November 23rd of 2021. They kicked me out of the office and said you can no longer come back in because you don't have a COVID swab every 72 hours. If you don't upload a swab, you're not allowed to be in our physical space.

I said, OK. I said I'm a I'm a paramedic and I've been a paramedic for a decade, nationally certified, state certified, FBI certified, and I have a top secret clearance for the last 6 1/2 years. OK, dude, like you can't trust me to stay home with the sniffles. So I showed up in the office and my boss is like, dude, did you get a test? And I go no. And he's like, you got to go home. And I go, OK, but you have to tell me to go home. Like I want you to tell me that

I can't be here and do my job. And he was like, come on, dude, look, come in my office. We spent two hours in his office. He told me his wife had COVID, even though she had gotten the shot right. And all the stuff that was doing. And we're just bullshitting like regular dudes. And he's a nice enough guy. He was my neighbor too. So he's like half mile away. They kicked me out of the

office. I'm put on permanent AWOL with no ability to come back until the the rules change, which it did in the middle of February. I think it was like February 9th of 2022. I'm out in the desert and if anybody's ever lived in a public land state, there's all kinds of open land. It was right next to BLM land. I'm out shooting on one of those steel targets and some other ones that you saw. I'm out shooting in the desert by myself, like in the middle of nowhere.

I'm 865 yards with my back to a road. And on the other side of the road is a high school. I'm a half mile. I'm on it like, you know, I'm at a lower elevation and I'm shooting into a burn that's 30 feet high. There's there's no problem. Cop comes out, talks to me, he goes, hey bro, can you go shoot somewhere else? And I said I could, but I'm not going to because I'm allowed to be here. And we're standing on shotgun shells. And he's like, people shoot here every day.

Like exactly, I'm going to be here. And he was like, yeah, no problem. He goes, I go, what's the state law say? He goes, I honestly don't know. And I'm like, it says 150 yards from an occupied structure. I was like, I'll range find that, but I know by eyeball it's over 800. And he was like, no, no, you're good. So then he left 3 minutes of body Cam. Was. Generated no report. Drives off 10/8 No report. He goes about his day. My boss had me suspended in one day for that.

They went and said I was unprofessional to a police officer and they pulled my badge and my gun the day after Easter when they opened the investigation. They opened it on on April the whatever it was like it was April the 15th and they walked me out on April the 18th. So it got done over a weekend. You know how many things get done in the federal government over a weekend? Yeah, not often. Like nothing, especially Easter weekend. So it can be done very quickly.

And I was never allowed to come back in. They and and my buddy Garrett Boyle had the same thing. So did Steve Friend, so did all the guys. And by the way, we were everything. That you just listed is wrong. But those are all processes that exist. They're Supreme Court precedent. But they're wrong processes. Well, I don't, I don't disagree, but they're processes. Right, but we want them to do

the wrong thing. This is back to like the moral equivalency of like we're going to be doing the same thing that they were doing, which is wrong in every way. How do we follow the law? How do we follow process and precedent? And then also how do we morally reconcile and the and I don't know how to do this. That's what I'm saying. What what is the answer to that? Because it's there and it will be used. But I know these people and these people I still trust to

try and do the right thing. So do I think that they're asking these questions? Do I think like, what mechanisms can we use this process? Can we use this precedent? Can I use doge? Can I use like, can I fire, fire this guy for like for cause because of this, this, this? Can we get apps? I think they're doing all of those things, but it's going to take a little bit of time And the is the outcome going to be the outcome that we want? Probably not because like, I still want radical.

Right. Do you think we'll get 80% of the outcome? What's, what's an acceptable like penetration of, of our hope versus a realistic output? I said if Donald Trump did 30% of what he said, we'd be winning. And I think we've already won that. So like now I've readjusted, now I want 60%. That seems great to me, right? If we did, if he did 60% of the campaign promises like America is in what way better shape? 30% is a speed bump, 60% is actual change. We're 120 days in and we're like

2030% to solution. I would agree with you. Across the like the entire federal. Government doge has been slowed down, obviously. DOGDODOSDHS like Rubio's killing it. Yep. He's he's absolutely no, no beef there. Like I say, like I'm more than happy to see wins where I can see wins. I want wins or problem Childs national intelligence and everything law enforcement related and those things are unfortunately very intertwined. Well, that also is probably that

is a problem. That's a really big problem. And it was not something that cash was ignorant about when he went in there. You know, I, I watched him do podcast with Glenn Beck and some others. I think Sean Ryan, he's like, we need to get the Intel component away from the FBI. I've been saying that since I went there. When I started working Intel in what, 20, late 2016, early 2017, I was like, this is a hammer with a screwdriver welded on the end of it.

It is clunky and awkward for either task. It sucks at doing intelligence because you're, you're bound by the Constitution, which you can't do. I mean, you know that you can't do real Intel work and have constitutional batteries and you can't do Intel work and also be a law enforcement agency. They're, they're incompatible. Like they're antithetical to each other. So if you put them in the same place, that's Mueller's legacy. That's not, that's not even Comedy's fault.

You know, that's not even Ray's fault. It's certainly not Cash's fault, but to me the answer looks like day #1 Tulsi Gabbard. You can have all my IAS and you can have all the Intel analysts back. Congratulations, you just got plussed up. What's the mechanism that does that? A. Couple of memorandums. Listen, here's the crazy thing. Every single Intel that's a

legislative thing. No, every single Intel person currently and I can't remember what the actual code is, but I my buddies are former Intel analysts. They are all dual tasked. They are paid by the FBI, but they are tasked out by ODNI. But dual, dual tasked does not mean that that budget and that funding which comes from the legislative body. I agree. So like they have to go and pass bills for the things that you

just said to happen. Well, they would have to pass bills to make them formally, but there can be a look. The biggest problem in all of this? Have you been loaned out from one? Absolutely. So there's an MOU that. Goes out a memorandum of understanding the problem. It. Starts. It doesn't and like the the lame duck in this are the elected people that have a vote and they're not doing shit.

Agreed 100% agreement. There and and like they're they're passing people by a 5149 margin and there's the home team who is leveraged, who is captured, who has been there for how many terms like we look no further than those elected representatives. I agree.

We're in full agreement, Snack. We're like throwing darts at people that are that the people that we we should really be holding accountable are these elected bureaucrats, the elected politicians and embedded bureaucrats that are undermining as operatives against the people that we're talking about. But the people that we're talking about are the people that I trust. And they're so like, how do we

shift the conversation? And like, it's always going to be like, you know, cash or or toll C like why aren't they doing this? They can't until the power. Can we put pressure on the elected representatives in a meaningful way that you can think of? Because, listen, I'm all about it. Like that's what. I'm so much easier to blame the the organization, the person at the head of the organization, then it's the person that is responsible, which we need

legislative change and that's. No disagreement. Yeah, these are these are band aids. I think they're, they're not solutions, but they are start and it starts normalizing the culture of listen, you don't want Intel people. If you had a, if you had an Intel person that was thrown out on your team and, and you're not thrown out already because they're not fit and they don't have the ability to keep up. And now they're going to be

embedded. They're going to like hang out with you and you're like, OK, can you do some analysis? We're going to go into this location. So I need some like, I need some map analysis. We need some sagging from the area, like whatever the human it is. Can you do an analysis and give us like some right, Like tell us what's going on in the area. Fine, give me some area awareness. And that person goes, Oh, I don't, I don't do missions. I don't do, I don't, I don't work cases.

Kyle, that's an actual conversation that I had. I had a Chinese, ethnically Chinese American citizen person that I leaned over and said, hey, can you tell me what this is about? And she says, well, I can understand Chinese audibly, but I can't read it. Meanwhile, everything I do is written in Chinese. So I'm like relying on the bureau's version of Google Translate. And I go, fine, can you explain to me what the context is here? And she looked at me, I rolled

and said I don't work cases. And that's the standard. Now these people can all go to OD and I because they can get an FBI paycheck and not be in the building. And, and part of the part of the thing. And this is like any company. If you go into a company where let's say 1/3 of the people there are on a different mission than what the people in the company are doing, aren't you in trouble? Like it like that changes culture, that changes the way that things work.

It changes the way people talk and they interact and it changes the mindset. If everybody around me is interested in writing a term paper and they're mad that Kyle Rittenhouse got off because because a jury said that it was self-defense. These are real conversations that I've really had. You know, then you're like, that's an uphill battle that I'm willing to have a Band-Aid on it. I'm willing to put those people

somewhere else. Like for me 'cause I. I don't think they have time to put band aids on things 'cause they're still dealing with significant hemorrhaging of triage of big. What are the Yeah, What are those things, though? Like what's bigger than

personnel in this case? Do you think keeping that House of Cards together because the consequence of it falling down is the opportunity and we, we, we are at war with a, a few of our peer level adversaries and those peer level adversaries are waiting with operatives for the opportunity to destabilize. They all they want is destabilization. We want security, we want stability would give us the free market opportunity. The the beautiful thing that is

democracy to thrive. That can't happen when there's instability, which is why they're trying to destabilize all of our allies. This is why Eastern Europe is a mess. This is why the border was a mess. This is why the whole entire Middle East is a forever mess. They want that. That's what Iran wants, that what China wants.

That's what Russia wants. And so I, I think that first priority is like, OK, I have to keep the ship afloat while I'm repairing it in route to the destination, which is the outcome of a 60% solution that you and I would be happy with. But they're patching massive holes while that ship is going and. I think the, the addition to that, that analogy though, is that they're getting the peep because they're not physically patching the holes, right?

I mean, they're delegating that that's, you're giving, you're giving task and purpose and you're giving motivation and vision. And then somebody else is going to go out there and, and they're going to actually enact that mission and they're giving it to people that are like, OK, I'm going to stab you in the back here because you haven't, they didn't, they haven't been vetted.

And that's the, and so look, there was I, I made an argument that there's a, an advantage to a deputy director that is not an FBI person. It's a really, really small advantage. Possibly it's like a maybe advantage. OK, the FBI director always comes in is not an FBI person. So that's fine. No big deal. That's what you want. You want somebody from the outside vision understands constitutional principles. Good to go. I'm I'm with that. A deputy.

There's only one possibility that you bring in a deputy that doesn't have a connection to the FBI and doesn't know like what all the things doesn't know what DTOS is, doesn't know what Itos is, doesn't know, you know, where these little missions, you know, and and and and boondoggles are because there's a lot of boondoggles in the Bureau. And the only advantage to having that person is that they're going to come in and Wrecking Ball. No loyalty to anybody. The danger is that person says,

I don't know what I don't know. And in order to know what I need to know, I've got to ask people that I haven't been able to vet because I have no one to trust. I don't know who to trust. And then you're in a real bad spot where you're basically leaning on people that there's no you. You in the case of Dan Bongino, he spent eight years rally against them not being trustworthy.

And now he's got to go in there, not only trust them, he's going to have to defend them publicly, which is catastrophic for people's confidence. I watched him do it this morning and I went like, I don't want him to be in that position. You know, I can take cheap shots. I don't think they're cheap shots.

I'm, I'm like, I literally do not want you in a scenario where you have to trust people that you have no business trusting where you are going to have to rely on on Intel with, with hope, because that's, that's, you know, hope is a terrible plan. It is it, it, it's the worst case scenario. And so the only upside, the only way that I see this working again, the local tour guide, you find somebody that's been on the other end of it.

Like the upside of a Tulsi Gabbard is that she had a weaponized government come after her. I think we mentioned it yesterday, right? She got surveilled by the air marshals, proven factually accurate, like whistleblowers and documents to back it up. I was surveilled by those same air marshals I had. I ran it by one of my my friends who's an air Marshall.

She was like 100%. She goes on a on a scale of one to 10, you're an 11 getting watched and like iid who the guys were, you've done, you know, counter surveillance. You know how to pick those guys up. When you do surveillance for a living, you can find your your tail. It's not that hard, especially if they aren't expected to look for you. So I found three. I found two guys.

I thought it was possibly 3, but I saw at least the two that were following me into the airport when I flew to move my household goods out of New Mexico. And so when you've been on the end of it, and I think that's the upside of looking at Tulsi Gabbard. I was always kind of on the fence with her just because I don't know her personally. And I'm like, she's incredible. She went from guns are bad and K to like, I'm in the tactical games and I'm like, and then I

read her thing. I like she put out a sub stack and I'm like, I get it, I get it. You're allowed to have a growth moment and and I'm you know. My my favorite part about all of that transformation was the the transparency and vulnerability of it. Yeah, it's hard to walk away from like a whole camp of people that supported you and say you're all wrong. And they, they tried to bankrupt her campaign. They, the government as a whole obviously weaponized and then

attacked her. You know, the she ended Kamala's first run. And since then, yeah. With one sort of like sound bite. Yeah, devastating. So she. She has been like enemy number one for a really, really long time. And, and it wasn't because they had attacked her that this revelation happened. I, I really think that she through learned ad you know what, what are the catalysts of change, pain, adversity, challenges. So she faced some significant ones and then it transformed who she was.

And ultimately we have what what is a remarkably different person than from 10 years ago, a woman that loves the Constitution that swore to protect the Constitution that is now has been the victim of weaponized government from the intelligence community and from the Department of Justice and from the Department of Homeland Security. And now she's like, she's on a roll. Let's look at RFK the exact same.

And I think if we we look at Bongino and we look at Patel, you see also guys that were attacked post last so when they were in the 16 to 20 administration or not Bongino, but cash the you, you, you, you, you see a man that like when we first got to the the special forces teams, I'd see these guys with Gray hair, the Gray, the Gray hair operators. Yeah, like these guys are so old and they're so useless, you know, like the no. Those are the most dangerous

guys in the room. And to me, they lived through some highs and then man, they experienced some serious lows where they're being attacked. Now they're back in positions with 810 years of being Public Enemy number one from camps of the people that they are currently representing and advising and directing as superiors, as directors and as secretaries. Yeah, like. How do you do? This you have to do it with unbelievable skepticism. You can't trust anybody.

Yeah. So the only way you do it is you get other people that have had the same kind of experience of. So you, you mentioned something about Tulsi Gabbard that I think it resonates strongly with me. When you first swear the oath to the Constitution. How many times you. You. Sworn in? I don't know. Over and over again. Right. Yeah, a couple dozen. And you swear in and you're like, are you, what are you swearing to? Like, what are, what are you saying that you're going to defend?

What does that thing mean? Cause 'cause the Constitution is an abstract. And I would say most enlisted people have probably not even read the constitution. Just being around enlisted, you know guys the.

One in my truck. I got one in my shop, I got one in my 1. In my gun bag whenever I took it on a trip like it went with me when I when I went on TD wise as a as an agent and like I obviously, but I don't think I really appreciated it in until sometime when I was actually doing the job when I realized that as an as a a law enforcement guy. And I think it's different from

the military. But in the law enforcement context, your oath to the Constitution is really to the Bill of Rights because you represent the ability to infringe on all the things. That's what you are. You are like the long arm of the law ready to reach in take people's freedom, take their privacy right. So your job as a as a sworn law enforcement person, and that happens at every level, state, federal, local, doesn't matter. You're saying I will protect freedom of speech.

I will recognize that it's God-given and that the government has a limit and therefore I will limit myself and my peers, right. And and then I limit. Myself and my peers, it's not something the bureau's been very good at. No, they're. Terrible at it. Like that's the whole problem. So you're surrounded by those guys and then you've got people that have been talking about it understand the danger. I think a Tulsi Gabbard probably gets it.

And the DoD side of things. I think your job is that you are protecting the Article 1 powers of Congress to go out there and do their job. You're protecting the Article 2 powers of the executive to do that job. You're making sure that no foreign enemy comes in and subverts the the, the meat of the Constitution that runs the government. So you're the outward sort of sword and shield. The inside animal is. There's this. Government to include foreign

and domestic. It is, I think people are more and more aware that the domestic end of it means holding those accountable that have decided to subvert those authorities. Like we, we've seen examples in the last couple years of, of DoD like, and, and any other like DOJ, like they're running the show. You got people. And that's the whole concept of the D state, is it not?

I mean, that's people that said, well, I outlast presidents, I'm going to be here and they're not, so I'm going to do whatever I want. And by the way, I know better. And they probably think they do, and sometimes they probably actually do. But that's not what our country is about. In the DoD facing inward, there should be a last resort, absolutely. But currently on Title 10 orders here in Texas, we we see them protecting our sovereign borders.

We, we, we, we have legitimate military missions that are approved with Title 10 funds. Which, where does Title 10 money come from? Congress. Congress, you know, yet again, like you've, you've, you fall responsibility back to like you. You want to see legislative change, you're going to have to look to Congress for that to happen. I'd like to see Congress take back their power and be the be the the pre eminent branch of our government. That must be equally balanced

between the three. Well, look at the order they put them in. And they didn't do it on accident. You know, the judiciary was anemic on purpose. It's a referee. The executive is the one that pulls out and, and, and executes the plans thereof and has some like real strong authorities outside the country. But at the end of the day, power, the purse is the ultimate funding mechanism.

And like that's the animal. So my, my contention is that that Congress is supposed to be the pre eminent branch. And that's the way that they they drafted it knowing that and that the executive was never supposed to have that authority. They just threw a king off. Like it wasn't like they were looking to make another king, right?

Yeah, but they they were scared of the bureaucrats that existed in England, the Whigs. So that that balance in the check in balances from our Supreme Court and our executive branch to the legislative branch, the all all of them were supposed to have again levers. They had levers against each other. But I don't know that they were Co equal person. I think that we get we got taught that as a kid and I don't think that's necessarily true because some of them are stronger.

But what I do think is that. We have lost the power that Congress supposed to have. Like they gave a lot of it away. If you've ever seen what executive agencies can do, you can't have a deep state unless they have Chevron doctrine, which we just got reversed. Like that was a big win. Like that was a big deal. And then we also had, we have the last sort of ugly piece there is the Administrative Procedures Act, which is what the ATF uses to a weaponized

fashion. They write their opinion and decide that that's law and they let you comment on it so. If there's a policy, your suppressor has to be, you know, going going through this form and has to pass. And by the way, if you happen to own a lathe now, you own the means to build a suppressor. So the lathe is also a suppressor because we just made it up like they're abolish, abolish. They're like back to a Polish.

Yeah, I'm, I'm I. Got to get, I got to get kids from school, not to or get kids to their practices and not too long. Yeah. All right. So give me give me a give me a wrap up summation. Are you do you think is the answer more time? Is that? Is that your your current? Position I want non-stop pressure from the collective of I think we have a bunch of people that are like yeah, November was awesome. Let's count that as a win. We do and I was like you're

insane. We are in the middle of a fight right now and I don't know which way the the weight is going. That coin is flying in the air and unless we have a bunch of people with the pressure that made the election November have

the outcome that it had. If those people don't start participating, the the election process happened, but the, the implementation of what the election about is currently going on and that constant pressure, holding people accountable, getting confirmations approved, getting their representatives to be fighting for bills that are like the, the big beautiful bill there. There's elements in there that every single constitutionalist should be like, Oh my God, I'm going to fight for this.

I'm going to be calling for them not to get this portion cut out of it. But nobody read it. Nobody cared. Yeah. Where's my short act? And so like this, there's no greater insult than indifference. And I, I, I think a lot of people now are currently indifferent to, to what what's happening. So I want them to come back to the table and start pressuring significant. And that can be directors and that can be secretaries, but that can also be elected

officials. And, and the patriot, the like, which is funny that that became a like a, a negative insult for a group of people. We're like, oh, he's a patriot. Oh, you mean he's a make a person? No, no, he's a patriot. And he's fighting for this beautiful country, the most beautiful thing that's existed

in in the course of humanity. I need them back and I and I need them to continue to support and fight the people that the president that was elected, appointed and got confirmed in these positions and then start supporting these people to get to the end state that we so desperately want. But if if we are attacking, if we are not, there's nothing wrong withholding somebody accountable, making sure that our expectations are under understood and heard.

But I still have faith that this cabinet is fighting with the with the best interests of what the president wanted and his vision and his values are still being fought for. And we have some wins, but nowhere near the wins that we want and. What's your degree of confidence that we've got? What's your degree of confidence that they're going to be able to achieve where we're at?

And Intel people, they always give me like the high, medium, low, you know, some some degree in there, I don't know, scale of one to five. Where? Where are you feeling like your confidence sits based on having a lot more personal access to some of these folks? I just, they're just not going to quit. Like you had to kill President Trump. You had to, Yeah. I agree with that and they tried. They did. Like JD Vance, bro, you're going to have to kill that guy.

Like that guy's never going to quit. The, the, the dude survived. Like poverty that nobody's going to understand, abuse that nobody's going to understand. And you know. That's been completely written off. They act like he's like this elite guy, and then you hear him tell a story about how he didn't how to pronounce like Chardonnay and he tried to order some wine that he thought he could pronounce because he was surrounded. He was completely outclassed

like that. That that is lost on people on the left who somehow should be celebrating that. But they're not no, you're going to have to kill Tulsi because that girl's going to fight today as she dies like egg Seth, the the dude's a gem And and I, I think the Cashes and the Bongino's and like, you'll have to kill RFK. You're going to have to because that guy's going to keep fighting. He's been doing it his whole life. And then he was despised and betrayed by his own party and his family.

And they, and they wouldn't give him a security detail, which I'm, I'm hearing the same thing about Tulsi at the moment that they're not given a security detail there. And there's been this ongoing fight. So it's like so, but again, these are inside these agencies that we're supposed to like, how do you trust people if the entire agency is not even going to do like their job of, of, of, of providing A protective detail?

I also thought that we were getting a tough guy in a deputy director and he didn't need a protective detail because they've never had one before. I get like, you don't roll around with the detail. You got a high profile. I mean, you're broke. You're more of a killer than than Dan is probably. I don't know. He, he scares me sometimes. You know when he leans in with

that big forehead, I'm like. Dude, I have a lot of forehead but you know what he he told me something he said one time he was like when I go to the gym I always carry like 3 guns and I was like that doesn't make any sense. That's too many guns. You, you should just have magazines, man. You should hold on to your gun, whatever that is. Maybe he's got that New York reload mentality. Yeah, yeah, I'll be back in DC in in a couple of weeks for the Army birthday.

And how old would the Army be? The Army will be 250 years old. Same as our country? Yep. And the Army, yeah, that that week, Sergeant Major, the Army, who's he's a, he's a Gray beard, long in the tooth, A7 Special forces group. Guy went to the unit. Still, still counts. Yeah, he went to the unit then then went to the unit. It's like extra counts and like arguably one of the greatest leaders of this type of the entire global War on Terror. Like the dude is just like, I'd

follow him to the gates of hell. He's not young. He's going to be like out on the mall lawn doing the new Army PT test in in his 50s because he leads from the front. That's how you do it. That is how you do it. And I I think that is a that is a fair representation across just like we see secretary Haig Seth working out with dudes in the morning. You know, we we see Dakota Meyer, Medal of Honor recipient who's who's a local like re enlisting. Is he local here? He is I'll. I'll absolutely.

Get dude I I met I met him once at I met him at SHOT Show two years ago. I actually saw you stand up on a chair and give a big speech due to gem and and bar at the same time. Yes, he always seemed like a he is. He's. The real deal, yeah, and. Like a regular person. 100% and and and going back in in his late 30s to do not easy stuff like he didn't like do this to get a moment of fame like he did it because he. Believed he enlisted, didn't he? Like what ranked his original rank?

Which was what? E4. The E5E5? Yeah, not the 30s no. I got out of my 30s as an E3 so just you know, so. I I just looked like all of this awesome. And not that that's the cross section, not that that's but like that's what I'm looking to is all of they're still doing the work and they are going to do it until they like, like I said, you'll have to kill them to stop them. And that's why I have faith to I know that was a really long answer to a really simple question.

I don't have like a high, medium, low. No, it's not a short answer, it's the thing. And that gives me the confidence and hope. I know hope's not a plan that they're going to keep on fighting. And if I'm useful, I'm going to keep fighting like I, I want the power to be back to the family and be back to the state to be back. It's like we're just going to keep on keeping on until you kill us. It may come to that. Like I keep ways somebody said that's a fed statement.

I'm like, no, no, that's just reality, man. I, I watched what this country rolled over for. We saw it like we saw it in our lifetime. That's not something people have been able. To say from grateful that we did though. Me too, I remember. I think that's one of God's biggest gifts. How did? That little girl that was hiding in the attic and how were her? How are the neighbors going to betray a little girl that was writing in her diary during World War 2?

And then I saw it in the United States in 2020-2021 and 2022. Everybody who understood what the story was that was happening at the time all drew analogies directly back to what people were willing to do. This is the story of ordinary men, right? So you can read the book or you can just know that like ordinary men will follow orders because it's convenient, because they have a paycheck, because they have a pension, because they are not trying to upset their apple

cart and their life. And you know, I'll just, we'll just kill people because why would we stand up for something and have to maybe find a new job? And, and a lot of people did that. But it did reveal a couple things. One, we saw who the diamonds in the rough are. Like we immediately revealed like all the sand and saw what was underneath. So you saw some treasure. We also got to see the rules got changed while we were watching them. It's one thing to think that

someone's like scamming you. It's another thing to see someone scam you and do the sleight of hand. And we watched that that that goal post move like in real time. I, I love that I got to see how they did it because now I know their moves. Like I can't wait for them to try it again. Because all of us that were paying attention, like I, I saw how you did this and you ever try this again, We're coming

after you. I told people you got to draw a line in the sand, know what it is and never give any ground on it ever again. Like you just we're at the back, our backs are whatever it is, whatever the bag is probably like a like a hole in the ground. So that's what they'll shoot us into. You're a gem, Kyle. I appreciate you coming on

we'll. We've got a lot to talk about, I think I. Think we do and I'm looking forward to I want to know next time and I'll tell you this will give you something to think as you leave the door. When are you going to start? When would you start getting concerned that we need to start pushing different types of pressure? So oh, good question something. To chew on something to think about that's not a light question. So I'll have you do that.

And yeah, that's where we're going to end it for today. Awesome. Tim Kennedy, you want to tell people where the best? Would you like people to follow you? God I hate social media. It's awful, but it's necessary. So where do people communicate with? You at Tim Kennedy MMA across the social channels, it's verified because there I think like, yes, yesterday there's two or three hundred of them, yeah, and and anyways, yeah, at Tim Kennedy MMA verified accounts.

Do you have open crazy contact where people can reach out to you and too or no? Not really. I mean, like on, on, on the less mental illness. Yeah, yeah. All right, well if you listen to this and you have a mental illness, post it under Tim's handles wherever and tag me to so I can see it. Appreciate you dude. All right, bud. Thanks. And you have been listening to the Sunday Sit down on the Kyle Seraphin Show with Tim Kennedy. Love him or hate him, there's a lot of people that feel very

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