Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower. An American Patriot prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for comforting lies here. Our civil liberties, enthusiasts Second Amendment Defender and recovering FBI agent. Kyle seraphin. Hello, my friends. Welcome to the Kyle Serafin show. Hopefully this time for real thanks for sticking with us. What a goofy experience today is
June the 2nd. We are going to launch into a discussion with fellow suspended. As you can see, I've got gerd, a boil hanging out with me. We are now moved indoors off a balcony where we were getting buzzed by repeated flybys by the United States Coast Guard because George Hill decided to upset the members of DHS, and they decided to come back and let us know. They were displeased with such things.
We don't Confirm that. But since we moved inside, they have decided that they are no longer interested in flying in a circle and hovering right over our position. So that tells you something Florida gardeners and leaf blowers didn't make it any better. So now we are back. I'm going to give you guys a mic check real quick and I'm going to thank our sponsors. Garrett, give me a mic. Check, fuck, excellent people.
Give me a big thumbs up when you hear Garrett and same thing with George. How's your mic 5? 4, 3, 2 1. He's a good counter and he's able to give us all that folks. We got a couple different camera angles here pretty silly. Let me do a quick. Thank you to my sponsor which is going to be Catholic vote. There they are right there. Catholic vote Catholic.
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Up for the loop. Very very thankful that I'm getting a bunch of Thumbs Up in the live chat. Thanks folks for joining us. I see all my favorites, all my regulars out there Scott, thank you for joining us. Haven't seen Eric yet today and Jen looks like she's able to get on board. We see cookie. So, all of you thanks for joining us. Thanks for sticking with us through our Technical and also, I don't know. Environmental challenges.
What else would you call that? There's no other way to describe it, right coincidence. So my two guests, no introduction would necessarily required, but we will give it to you. Anyway. This is George Hill. Famous vault. Even as we discussed and Garrett, O'Boyle famous beardman. Now both Congressional testimony fires, they are both FBI whistleblowers one, retired, one suspended forever, with no paycheck.
And these gentlemen have decided to join me because we had some very interesting dinner conversation last night over a beer and some burgers. We went on a hunt for what we have, you were looking for key. Lime pie was looking for key, lime pie, we are in South Florida. So we went and did that, and then after that, we had to this breakfast morning. And at breakfast we had a discussion about the back swing and Country and these are two gentlemen who served in the military?
You know, George served for longer than both of us. They both have faced live-fire in combat, they both been down range and served America against her enemies. So what we're going to talk about is a nation full of men who have seen conflict in a real way and our willingness and many people's willingness to avoid that violence at all costs on
our soil. I think there's a real serious problem that certain members of the Left are pushing an envelope that once it is opened, it cannot be closed. But I'm going to let these guys kind of take it away here. I'm kind of just going to facilitate if that's good with you all. And, oh, Erik flying the
chopper. Someone just, let me know that Eric Eric has left his wheelchair and decided he's in Florida. Anyway, so he has left the wheelchair and he is now flying the helicopter to interrupt the show he wanted to make a cameo. Okay gentlemen, first of all, thanks so much for sitting. Thanks for giving up your morning with me. Yeah, and thanks for having coffee with me this morning because I feel like we had some insights there. Grudges.
Yeah. Breaking bread together as an important facet of life and building relationships with people who are close to you who. So yeah, it's good to all be together in person and be able to do something like that and it deep into some of these topics person. So Murray wants to know where we are. Do you guys want to tell people where you're at? It's it's an undisclosed location.
That's not how we operate here. We are transparent, we we are in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Beautiful, South Florida. Yeah. It's gorgeous. I mean for Florida in June, not even going to go above 85 today, not crushing humidity. That's nice. Now other than, you know, helos and leaf. Well, yeah, the great free state of Florida. Feel like it's calling my name, but maybe that's just because it's been pretty good weather since I've been here.
This is, this is a Wisconsin boy, telling you that that it being anywhere near the beach is nice. He's correct. It is nice to be near a beach. There's no question about that. But I think your you've just been in the tundra for so long. This is Girl, and you've been in, what do you call it? Nineveh know, people about Wes, what your intermittent state is, we didn't really get personal.
Yeah, and kind of like your inner feelings on all the stuff that I know you guys have very difficult feelings about kind of what we've been facing down and it's already led to this conversation for sure. So, for me, I think most of, you know, a little bit about my back story, especially if you caught the episode on Monday, I think it was while this week is blending together, but shortly after we were able to retrieve our Goods and and a settle into a rental home in Wisconsin.
I had this idea to start a sub stack because as a suspended we of the FBI with no pay and no Duty and no ability to get outside employment and kind of just praying and hoping for the best and trying to figure out this new life with a new baby and three other daughters and now not going to work and all
this. I needed some type of Outlet granted it's, you know, friends and family who read my sub stack and for Most part, but I had this idea, I was studying, I had I don't even know how I first came across it, but I listened to a couple sermons on the Book of Jonah and I had this idea like oh man Wisconsin has become like my Nineveh and I would say that to friends and family back home the point where my wife Heidi she started saying here, you got to stop like they're
taking that personally, you're going to offend them, they wanted us to come back home, your check. About family members being. Yeah. Ended. Yep. And I was like, well, I'm not saying it like to be offensive, who's saying, it more like God called us back here for a purpose. And I don't know, all the ins
and outs of that purpose yet. But if you're familiar with the story of Jonah, he tried to flee to tarshish and because the Lord was calling him to Nineveh, but he didn't want to go to Nineveh. He went to Nineveh to burn and I'm not saying I want Wisconsin to burn or anything like that. I never got that because this analogy analogy is Then just the physical location, but it's everything that went into it with the suspension and losing a job, essentially, and not having a mission.
Really other than is to focus on my family, which even that has been difficult without having the ability to provide. So I started off to sub stack with these two pieces about like our life and I called it, welcome to Nineveh and I've been meaning to Circle back for many months because I probably have to 03 left in my mind. But it's been difficult because I've been like, Jonah holding onto my own anger and
bitterness. And you know, I thought I was getting to a point where I was overcoming that earlier much earlier in this process, what is your sub stack called? I know, people are starting to fill up your request for that and there's some legal reasons why he's got it kind of locked down. But folks, if you're in the chat in there and you want to request it, you can. Yeah, it's a last line. Dotsub stack.com, last line,
dotsub stack.com. And those of you who are familiar with Garrett shirts, Wearing one right now. Boom, there it is. The last line last line strength last line sub stack. What is the last line mean? Then we're going to move over to George since even he flew down here from the other Tundra. Yeah, so this last line idea, I had started when I was a cop again, and back then, it was more like focused on police and my military background and being mentally physically and spiritually strong.
And and so I had this idea like, oh yeah, maybe I'll just start some T-shirts. And hopefully expand someday and to opening a gym or it's more of the lot because now I'm writing, and it's taken on a very different tune than I first imagined, but short while I was in the middle of the hiring
process with the FBI's. When I started this thing and it kind of trickled off because the hiring process picked up and then I'm off to Quantico and moving and what it's always been in the back of my mind, like I got a circle back and bring this to life and so I guess I am in a different way with the sub stack and we'll see. Where it goes from there, you know, as it's morphed in kind of a brief way. What would you what would you synthesize that?
The last line is. So it's anyone and everyone who wants to whose as the has made the choice or has been placed in on a path where they must step into the breach, they must stand firm. It must hold the line. And that's really the nuts and bolts of what the last line is doesn't have to be law enforcement or military. It's anyone and everyone who Wants to uplift each other and build, a community of people who they can trust. And we want to do what's right for this nation.
That's very sobering. George, I said that when we first met that I was had on a countdown to see how fast it would be for me to give you a hard time and for you to tell me to go f myself, that was only like in the first 20 or 30 minutes that you and I have physically met for the first time. Oh yeah. Because I called you first iniquity of all things, which I think is a pretty silly and selfish observation now. I'm not correct, not not even a little bit more sticky.
Clearly, not your down here in Florida, you're down here to be part of a panel discussion that you and I are going to be doing and what like you travel around the world just a little bit right now. You're seeing different things. What is your sense of what's going on in this country? Since some of these allegations that we've been making about the federal government have been coming for. Do you see any movement? I think there's a lot of things going on. Number one, I think there is a
growing. Number of people that are pushing back regarding the intrusion into their way that they raise their families. That used to be an area that was sacrosanct you you never ever released when I was growing up and I'm older than these two gentlemen, ever criticized how someone was raising their children. You might talk about it in in within your own household but that was an area that you just did. Not go and I think that we're seeing people's thankfully.
I mean there's an upside to downside to everything covid and the shutdown of the school's, gave a lot of parents, some insight, as to the shenanigans that was going on in the public school system. Just a brief aside. If you want to end that the only way to do that is with where the Money Follows the child and school choice but that's a subject for another time. So we see that too. All being well, the same time, we see no effort at all on
recalibrating from the left. Recalibrating their efforts to further push forward their Progressive agenda and intrude into the personal lives of mothers and fathers and families and telling people how they think they should live their lives. So what I'm seeing is kind of like when a cold front moves in and pushes a stagnant, you know, a warm air mass out that storm clouds are building and on both sides because we no longer have political differences around the
edges. What we have today is is very basic core differences in values and principles between two. I think large groups of people, one of whom has been largely silent, they just want to raise their family, go to work, pay their taxes, go to the soccer games with their children. Going to Scout Troop. Join a church. That just want to be That's the loan and the progressive left will not leave you alone. They will not allow it to happen and they have redoubled their efforts.
Go not to go too deeply into politics but Biden Administration is deep in the, the whole terms of approval ratings, but you see no concern from them at all regarding the upcoming election, which gives me great concern. Why do they have no concerns? Why did have you're not the least bit worried about these? The has vast differences that are taking place in our society we have two separate camps.
So I want to dig deeper into the fact that there's no concern because I think you have some interesting Insight on that, but I also want to touch on the beginning of what you just said, which there's been some allegations made. I've had people bring it to my attention and and I have a strong reflection on a gear and I talked about it last night, actually, That this steady March forward by the progressive left
is religious in nature. It has the characterization of religious extremism more than it does a political movement because that makes sense to you from what you've seen. Absolutely it one doesn't have to go too far back in history. Just look at the Soviet Union who a lot of people didn't even know existed but their nation is their God. They Be uppercase G with a lowercase G, which is
government. And remember, what Hillary Clinton has said, what Barack Obama said that we all belong to government, that they're not your children. There there are, children takes a village. These are these are not semantics. These are not just slight differences in the use of the English language. These are strong, clearly different moral points of view. And I kind of talked about that for you can I just want to say Joe and the chat?
Let wants you to know that he doesn't want to pay his taxes. You mentioned people. Wanna go to soccer games and pay their taxes and do their civic duties. And there are some people in this country that have no interest in paying those taxes. I just want to assert that.
I also feel strongly every time that in fact, right now, we are looking at a way to appropriately because I may have to pull back and have Gary shred, the check that I mailed him because we want to set up a quarter of a million dollars, which will be life-changing for him, and for Marcus Allen. And I immediately had a flurry of You let me know that there's a significant danger in cutting somebody.
A check for 250,000 dollars, even though it wasn't my money to begin with, because it came in and I am now an aggregator and sending it over. It will look like a gift that I'm giving directly from myself. And that would make it a taxable gift, which is incredibly dangerous and scary because the government wants 80 thousand dollars per check. That I would write to these guys. I don't want to pay my taxes that much either.
I'm not I'm not a huge fan of the government coming in and dipping 30% or 35% of something that literally wasn't mine 15. To go and I never considered it be mine but it on paper it may not be a clean pass through for them. So anyway, just so you all know. I will always be transparent, I'll let you know how we figure it out. If it means that we have to buy the O'Boyle family a house and you know and then we just happen to be people that are investors in his future. Then that's okay, too.
Like there's a lot of different options but I'm looking through some some accounting options to solve this problem simply. Because as much as we used to be okay with the idea of paying taxes, now, we're paying essentially for tyranny. Many of us are paying for the mechanisms of tyranny that are coming at us, dare you. Wanted to play in this, on this couch, on this first because Journey has been a big aspect of, I guess. A lot of my thought process
really is sense. I think, since I joined the army and it was probably one of the driving factors and that has shifted over time as well. Because now, instead of looking at maybe back then in my ideological foolishness, as a teenager joining the military, I thought it's the tear and the outside tyranny of other people who want to change America. Or attack America or oppress Americans for how we think.
Now, I look more eccentric at our own government and think it is a way off the rails with the administrative State. And in the way it is round, it is run. And so, the definition of the practice, the dictionary definition of tyranny is an arbitrary use, or in an arbitrary use of or unrestricted, use of power.
And when you look at, just the actual definition, because people will scoff at the word tyranny, like, oh, It's extreme when we break down the word and we look at the definition of it, it really isn't all that extreme because you know, I think of Steve's book and the redactions that they had like 30 pages or whatever of redactions that is an unrestrained abuse of authority right there because they don't want him to exercise his first amendment right about the things he saw inside the FBI
that were long and we can, you know, put that out to the Gibson go and the potential tax burden that we might see on there but another aspect of it. As we are in this new role of being the suspend doubles is we have been patient for many many
months. This is one thing we used to talk about a lot before the hearing and the many months leading up to it many times, thinking it may not ever even happen was when and if I should come and speak out publicly and I didn't and I never did until after that hearing, and it's another aspect where it's like we Can be patient.
We you know it's if we have a finite life but for now patience and prudence and discretion and discernment have to be a major part of we go forward because we know we're being watched, we know they are trying to find any and every reason they can to hit us with a tax penalty or some you know, possibly a Coast Guard helicopter coming down over our position. Yeah. I see a 240 out the window so I
wasn't Not to threaten. There was a guy, there was an engineer that was hanging out, but I say yeah. But no m240 correct Gunner. Just just a flight engineer doing what he does probably looking for. All right, sir. Maybe he was going to come and
drop us a way out. If he thought they'd go some fine little coincident rope go to when we started and it stopped when we move absolute coincidence, I'm sure there's nothing to it. Well, interesting enough, we can't believe in coincidences in the roles that we're in right now. It doesn't make sense for us to walk around and not have our hair. Head on a swivel. Many people in America are
feeling the same way. They feel like they are being watched in certain ways because of the sort of surveillance that the government has created, which was not a thing when you were a child and really not a thing when I was a child. But we've all grown to expect that any phone call could be listened to that. Any text message could be intercepted that any device you have that's made out of electronics. Could in fact, be compromised at any moment and the capabilities for that.
Sort of thing, do exist, clearly. And we've used them in different ways in our professional careers and now you're look at it. Length. The funny experience that we had the other day yesterday. I'll let Garrett kind of tell the story of it, but you never know if you're seeing what we call and surveillance.
Well, if you're seeing ghosts, because of how strange, the the internal situation is, how strange our personal situations are now, we're looking back at our former employer and being like, hey, are they following a trap? Yeah, so we're walking back from dinner last night and George and Kyle are in front of me. You know, about shoulder width apart. Just next, to each other. I'm right behind. You know picking up the rear and as we're walking towards the hotel.
There's you know, foot traffic coming towards us and there's there's a cleanly dressed guy. Walking our way has his phone out and he, let's see what. Yeah, let's describe him very clearly he was wearing some kind of slacks with a belt. A tucked in shirt. It was a dress shirt that was button down. It was pink if that's you Miami SSG, we saw you. You're not very good. If it wasn't, then we're seeing ghosts even weirder. Could have been just some random dude but show them how he was
carrying this little, this one. So as he's wrapped, as much as he's walking towards us, he has his phone about yay, high and has it canted like this, which not reading it. I'll was, you know, an operational surveillance guy went through the FBI's surveillance course. I also went through that course, and so you're trained on and not to do this thing and how to act normal and not weird. We're human. So we don't always get it right.
Right? And so I see this and I thought, oh, that guy's probably, you know, as a part of a surveillance team on it. It's what we call surreptitious photography and there's an entire technique on how to do it the way you would actually do this properly is if you were going to videotape, for example, you folks, you might walk by like this and you might be kind of just filming it out of turning around and kind of yep. Uh-huh.
Yeah, that's what I thought. No, no. We will have to meet later on and then you walk by, you do it naturally and not act like a weirdo, but when you are working for the FBI weirdo is probably use one of your default
positions. There's a lot of nerdy weirdo people Let's pivot directly over George spent a bunch of time at the FBI Academy. And you were seeing this recruiting, you tell me why you went down there, because I don't know if we've covered that on a podcast before, but you, and I've had personal conversations a couple times about it. So sadly, Kyle and I did a podcast on the 10th anniversary of the Boston. Marathon's, and we had some technical difficulties and lost unfortunately to humanity
forever. But when the bomb went off on Boylston Street, I was at calm for a war game. And I came back on the first plane the day after. So I was in Boston about 12 hours after a little more than 12 hours after the bomb went. And when I walked into the command post, I expected to see what we had or gamed with surg critical incident Response Group, just a few months.
Prior instead what I walked into was the barroom fight scene out of Blazing Saddles and during the course of the investigation and The Manhunt This is all before the task force took effect and people went out about doing their regular assigned
tasks. I learned so much about my colleagues people, men, and women who I held in high regard found out that they totally wet the bed when things went South and then other people who are very quiet who went about their job with no pretense, just Rose to the occasion quietly and professionally and perform their job. And there's a, you get a Workforce to ways that they're both. Related is your hiring practice and your training practice. So I was very familiar with the
hiring practice the bureau. So I wanted to go to Quantico and just see how these men and women are are made. And I had an opportunity to get down for almost 45 months as a field counselor. Met some really great people were over friends to this day and this was 67 years ago and I wanted to see how they're made and a friend. I became friends with the the chief physician down at Quantico. We were both at Navy Expeditionary. Combat Bat command together.
Although we served in different times and different theaters, and he was primarily a surgeon to the Special Operations, but he said that was his optic as a naval surgeon was special operations and he commented to me, having been a Quantico now, for a few years, I know this is 67 years ago. That the average age and I'm going to botch the numbers. I don't remember the conversation.
But the average age of the FBI new applicant for agent has dropped about five years in court, his words, not mine, the maturity level has dropped by a belt, That was his observation, a surgeon man who came out of the Special Operations Community, not as an operator. But if you've ever been in the Special Operations Community, there's a vibe to it.
There's a sense of professionalism to it would quickly recognize and I had to see where this was happening, and he was spot on spot on and I was just it became crystal clear to me why people behave like they did on April. 16th of 2013. So they weren't prepared to take on some of these they weren't prepared to take on these challenges because they weren't minted in an environment that knew how to handle stress. That had a blueprint for handle stress.
We used to call it stress inoculation when I was going through training, they put you under artificial stress, so that you learn that when you have real stress, you can operate in the same manner you fall back to the level of your training as they often do. That's not who were training right now at the FBI Academy. That's not what we're bringing
out. And you also saw one of the first classes, I think mine was very early on, if not the earliest of the Of the Ada and the and the is a roll right now. You supervise IAS you worked alongside of soup, special agents. Did you was there any feedback from the field immediately? They like this was a great thing and this was a good idea that they were doing this and they made sense or was it something that you had some concerns about while you were there? My concern started before I went
there. Okay. When Comey came over and took over as director of the FBI, he instituted with a communist call struggle session and he made it mandatory that every SS a supervisory special agent and every supervisory intelligence analysts had to go through this. Use a communist term struggle sessions, but it was basically familiarizing yourself with the through online courses because that's the best way to learn the FBI. We solve our problems by those each job series.
And then we had to go out to California for three days of punishment. In these large group settings. We had these role-plays and presentations things of that nature. And it was clear from that point forward, this is the Kool-Aid, you will drink it, you will smile and say that it's good. And that is important. Because when you have the whole trp process, the Total Resource correct response program that everybody say the same thing. So critical thinking, dissenting thoughts not allowed.
The the entire process is geared essentially to break down opposition to break down what, I think the Durham report referred to as rigorous analytical thinking, which is exactly the reason why Marcus Allen was suspended, right? I mean that was sort of the, that was the flaw right that he
exposed. Was that he was trying to think rigorously and present all sides of the analysis and when you do that, that's how you get canceled in the FBI right now because it is a culture of homogeneity of defend the badge of Are all marching forward in the same line, Who real brief. So I came to the bureau from the National Security Agency. Remember, we're going to one of my first interagency conferences, regarding the matter that's not suitable for
discussion. And I was throwing out challenges to some of the assessments that are being, were being made by ogier other government agency, and some other FBI, folks. And I was quickly pulled into the ASAC office for some special agent in charge. I'll have never heard people. All the other, you know,
Partners like that. And I said, well, this is how the of an intelligence professional conducts themselves, they challenge assessment, they challenged this version, he challenged hypotheses and make sure that they're solid. It's part of the analytic rigor. That one is supposed to apply from the very onset of things, but that is not acceptable. You here's that. Click click click like the conductor hands. Go up. Everybody has the same tune at the same time. They know.
The same time, right Garrett. Now when you were going through, you went through the academy a couple years after I did, but still still in itís, right? So my he's being there was an analyst there. What was the explain sling with a culture? Looks like when agents who are supposed to carry a gun who was supposed to not to get rough with people who have a physical requirement interact with the opposite side of the coin, which is the analytical the indoor
part into an outdoor dogs. It was an interesting amalgamation because the first Weeks maybe I don't know how many maybe like the first sticks. We we literally did everything together and then we were still integrated. But agents started. What? We both we started breaking off and doing different things where we're going to shoot. Or we're going to depend of driving X or just driving defensive tactics work than analysts are going and learning
more of their Niche role. And then after a few weeks of that like when we would come back together it was getting increasingly rarer and rarer. Leading up to the eye as graduation. It seemed like there was already like a rift just because we hadn't been together much. It's a kind of a power Dynamic to a close-up. Yeah, because they've presented you is being equals in the role. This is the way it has different rules.
Yeah. So in the military I don't feel like there's nearly as much of a separation between Intel and operations because they can be actually a mesh to because Intel drives what the operations are. And there's always going to be sort of the, you know, the Meathead. Is you know, Egghead sort of that mentality, right? Like that's, that's a natural struggle.
George is nodding. George spent a lot of time in that thing but there's a lot more chance for people who are in the in the intelligence and to be part of operations to the point of legitimately embedding because they can still carry a weapon, they still have their basic training that goes along with it. They may not be the pipe hitting guy that you know, goes and breaches doors everyday, but you still might want to bring it in tell guy for what they call
sensitive site exploitation. So on the rift between that and what happens in the Beer hall, which is as far more. Can I would say a far more is the word? Well, as if environment in the United States, it's not very dangerous in general. We act like they can't be outdoors for some reasons. And then you build up this culture of people that are literally scared of their own shadows and stay. And yeah, well, Daddy, I think that even happens to agents because of what we do in Hogan's
alley. But with the I integration a lot of it is so different and in Quantico than it was in real life because he acted like Like they would have your IA in training. Come up with questions, come up with an Intel product on the, you know, the big Capstone case, that the whole class is working on the whole time, and in the end they would act like the iaea would go on an interview with you, never ever. I know what happens, occasionally never ever happened in real life in my experience,
right? Not once not one time. Well, there's a big difference between someone like the eye is that I worked with for the most part who were not physically fit, who didn't have a sense of what an external threat. Look like who was worried about ninjas around every corner or
they were. So they were so out to lunch that they couldn't actually represent at the human being in front of us, may be a threat and someone like George George who spent tons of time both down Ranch and domestically involved in actual legitimate interrogations as significant training that we talked about offline and a lot.
And, and, and I think that some of the form to stuff in your, in your life experience to be engaging human beings at a very high level to chess game inside each other's minds where you can only get so physical. You have to let them know that there is no limit, right exhausting? You're doing it right is exhausted? Yeah, sure. Esther. And to be able to have people that have that background, which you which you have, but is not necessarily common. Because people like Jim Comey were now.
Recruiting people who didn't have your background that then had a Collegiate background only. I'm going somewhere with this. Toxic. Yeah. Police know how much you weigh it right now because I'm gonna eventually get to where we're going to go and I jump in person. Yeah, what I want to hear George was what to say.
So I wasn't hardness, so when I was a field counselor, I had the opportunity to meet Meet with director Comey, a private luncheon with the other field counselors homey and his posse. And I had said director after 15 years of war and to theaters and thousands of intelligence professionals that have been trained and either at Fort Huachuca or Mitzi Navy Marine Corps, intelligence Training Center.
We should take a look at weight, you know, at least putting aside the requirement for a four-year degree because we Of literally tens of thousands of trained professionals who have operated in a high-speed demanding environment, a team environment, and can we at least look at shunting for at least a couple years during the course of their Bureau career of requiring, a bachelor's degree, and his posse jumped on me, and rip me to shreds like a pack of jackals. What was there?
What was their complaint specifically? Do you remember any of those things? Obviously they were attacking and but do you remember any of that? You know, is there anything? And I just it became very quickly, like a Family Guy, episode, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I it's like okay fine. I got it kill me, kill the message. We're done here, I learned so much as a field. Counselor, as to, why were in the position that we're in? It was priced.
Their, did you want to make a point real quick about 21 when I was in Quantico? There were some of the I a group who I think are probably doing. Absolutely fantastic job. Because they had the mindset different mindset than a lot of that I types that we might see where they want to go out and get after it. And I think that's great.
And then what you just talked about, with bringing that stuff up with commis Posse, I think goes to the heart of the matter would put the FBI, at least for me, I've been talking about it a lot since I've done. I'll look is boils down to hubris. They don't want to hear questions and comments like you made and then They will attack you because it's contrary to their fake belief.
That they have always done everything perfectly and always will because it's an institution of humans and humans are fallible, and the FBI is fallible and they are proving it time and time again. The bureau is more interested in protecting its brand and its badge that it is in fact, this Elite organization than actually being an elite organization and one of the Hallmarks of truly lead organizations is constant self-criticism constant look Failure and attempting to
improve. And what the bureau is trying to do is improve image without the actual performance to back it up. It was nothing more funny to me than when we were there. And they kept saying things like, you know, this is the Premier law enforcement agency in the world and like you could say that all day long. But the more you say it the more you cheapen it, in fact I would argue and I would Advocate any of you that are involved in law enforcement, that happened, listen to our podcast.
If you are in a state or a local entity that does law enforcement, I would encourage you to always introduce your agency. Particularly when you talk to the feds, As the premier law enforcement agency in the world, because it's an absurd claim on its face. And if you can make absurd claims with, no need to back them up which the bureau does regularly, then why shouldn't
you? It's, if everyone's going to be, it's the whole idea that if everybody is special to know what a special we talked about the Beret can sort of an ultra that happened in the military. For those of you who don't know, initially the people that were raised were people like the Green Berets which are familiar with which is going to be your
special forces. We had Special Operations guys in general, which was your Your 75th Ranger regiment and they all were a beret that's on the Army side and on the, on the Air Force, I don't know if the Navy does a beret.
I'm pretty confident, they do not, but the on the air for side, we had guys that were in the combat control professions people that were like pararescueman, these are Elite operators as well and they would wear a special hat that would insinuate or show people visually in the military is all about visuals that they were a different type of person. They were different type of troop.
And then everybody who was in the regular troop thing started getting jealous and that's why Security Forces, which is the largest part of the are course, they all wear a beret. They actually took the color in the, and the style from combat, controls will come back and rolled onto another color. I know that now, the Army all has black.
And so, these are these, like, if everybody needs to be getting a trophy, if everybody needs to feel special, then nobody special you cheap in those words, simply by trying to universalize it. And all this goes to the point that we're now living in a country. Everybody wants to be the thing. They want to be special, they all want to be included. We all need to be gentle. And we have to accept all their foibles and weirdnesses. When when I was growing up, you're a weirdo.
You were just a weird out. Like, if you wanted to put on women's clothing and you were a dude, we just called you a weirdo. Like you didn't mean you were a bad person, you might be really nice but like, hey, you know, when he goes home, he puts on Heels of Corky quirky weird. You know. They were, they were, it was almost comedic was almost always funny. And everyone, sort of knew that drag was not a thing. That was regular eyes. It was, it was used either in
comedy and to great effect. It was used in entertainment purposes. Is to highlight certain things, but it was always Woman face. Everyone knew was a man, impersonating a woman. And there's an inherent sort of comedy about that because we can't do it least not well, I think to really go along that point, it's think it could very well be a driving factor in some of the things we see today. We're at the rise in, in suicide. The rise in almost sexuality and transgenderism.
It's part of that egoism that humans naturally have, because we're sinful beings. Where everyone is special, now, everyone gets a beret. Everyone gets a trophy. So what can I do to stand out and actually be special? Oh, I know, now I'm trans or whatever the case may be, right? You have to get, well, it's the funniest thing about to me about identity politics, which I abhor the minute you get down to the most granular identity that you have.
And you are now a cisgendered, you know, white heterosexual male, you know, with ADD and they list out all your your disabilities and all of your things. You know, receding hairline and big Burly bearded. All the things you get down to the level of individualism and then you're right back where I am, which is that I treat everybody as an individual. And if you're a human being that sucks. I just call you someone who
sucks. And if you don't, and here's somebody else, to kind of pivot to the indoor outdoor dog thing we were talking about this analyst position versus the people who have actual physical experience. The breakfast conversation we had which is where the backswing that we wanted to talk about comes from people who have never
seen what violence looks like. People who have never seen what discomfort and civil unrest, and what it can do to a country when it's D stabilized, are the ones aggressively advocating for this position and they seem to be poking the bear. There's a great meme, it's like two guys, wearing FBI hats and they're poking like a Pepe frog and they're like, come on, come on, do a terrorism, you know and and everybody sort of has that sense that they're being goaded into something.
They know what it is and they're avoiding it on purpose, George. You've been down range. I know that Garrett you've done the same thing. You guys have gone on the to issuing rages. We call it sometimes we're here. You're setting rounds back at the things that are coming, you know, bullets are flying both directions and everybody has a lot of Target. When that is the case, I imagine it's not a thing that you own it to bring home with you. You weren't like oh this is amazing.
Like let's have some to America. I think the majority of people myself included went and did that because we wanted to keep it there somewhere else not here. Because why would you ever want that? In your own country, where your children are, right. Yeah. Meek and weaker, not synonyms. And they say the meek shall inherit the earth. What they're talking about is people of tremendous strength that have controls right over that strength and the government. And this Progressive Movement
keeps on pushing on Meek people. And they're misinterpreting meekness for weakness and they really need to stop because they're creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. I see with these rats, that they seem to be pulling out of thin air. They're not pulling them out of thin air, their policies are creating them just because they keep on pushing, its it's going to happen. This reminds me of what you just said about meekness is not weakness from Jordan Pederson, says harmless man is not a good
man. Good man is a very very dangerous man who has it under voluntary control and I think that that comment is so intuitive and especially of our war generation, starting in 2001, and the present, there's a lot of men and women even in this country who I've done the hard thing because they didn't want it to come here, right? And they're getting that poke and then another one from him.
I think that Rings true as well as if you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of, and I think that's what we are seeing our government. They so earlier, we were trying to get into a quick discussion about the ordinary men that what was the name of the place Battalion 105. Reserve police baton 101. As 101 was a Polish Reserve. Police unit in the World War 2
era. And All the book says that all ordinary men, they were butchers and carpenters, and whatever else that they did, and then they were mobilized, inactivated in World War Two. And in short order were slaughtering Jews, you know, Full Tilt and it's, it's extra poignant for people, the law enforcement and military background, like, we all have because we see the depravity of man, and what man can be capable of even when they're just simply
ordered. To do something because that's what it boiled down to, for that unit and many others in World War Two was while I was ordered to do this, right? And we see a lot of people in the bureau sort of those orders.
I know a lot of police officers must struggle with that, and many of them have fallen on the wrong side, where they are saying, you know, I'm told to shut down this restaurant because of covid policies and they no inherent made that telling someone that they cannot make a living that they cannot go to the job that they have to support. Their family is not a thing that they would willingly accept. If they were told to stay home, they might still.
He's the streets because they know what needs to be done. And and yet a lot of people more and more are falling that route. I like the when I was when I was in the military my one of my team Sergeant, he's a really good guy. He's a special operator would always say, never mistake my kindness for weakness as a leader. This is a very common experience that we here. I had a guy in the Army who say maybe it's ubiquitous I feel like almost all Marines almost all army guys.
They understand that there is the kindness for weakness problem. The weakness and meekness issue is someone who has tremendous Des capabilities. They bring the ability to meet out violence but they have the humility to know that is not appropriate. It is not the tool. We talk about flipping the switch sometimes in the communities where guys have the ability to go from everyday laughable, we had a nice breakfast. We're drinking coffee, we're
smoking and joking. We're talking about our kids, we're showing photos if somebody came through that door and pointed an AK at the, at the receptionist, the hotel and said, we're taking over this building, it's time to start ending people's lives. We have to do it aggressively. If you have to do it violently and it's no more fun time. And we may not walk out of it, okay? But that's, that's something you accept as somebody who has that skill set. It's the same folks.
We were kind of laughing about this. This morning, Garrett's beard is kind of Woolly and powerful and I found a shirt in Texas, which I got to find him. We might make a suspended as version of it, but it says, with great beard comes great responsibility. We all sort of know that when you have these Powers, when you are able to inflict violence. Then your job is to not inflict violence that is who of time until it's time. Yeah, it's not. It's remember the movie Road.
House. Oh yeah, so one of the reasons why that movie was so great is because Patrick Swayze's character who was capable of tremendous violence and was able to fight at a high level chose, not to until it was necessary for him to do so. And so when Patrick Swayze's character, you know, he says if they come in the bar and they want to get Rowdy, we ask them to sit down and we be nice.
He says if they come out and they want to, you know, do things, we buy him a drink, we tell him to take it easy, take a load off, do it nicely? We do all these things. We keep doing, like he said, I want you to be nice until it's time. Not be nice. And that's one of the great lines coming out of the 80s and understanding that having that tremendous strength having the
nuclear Arsenal that we had. Because these are a lot of them are products of that cold world mentality, that cold war mentality, rather we knew instinctively that you have. This thing you could do this thing, but if we do it mutually assured. Destruction was a real concept. I grew up knowing it. I know you did.
I know you actually lived at an operational, doctor, we came close to it. And and when you have that sort of attitude, you avoid it at all costs on purpose because the alternative is that she is involved in Total War and unfortunately right now, it feels like this country is aggressively pushing political left, specifically, these indoor types that think that they are on the same capabilities and Par of real, then women who know what vials really looks like.
And they're going to try to push him up to the brink, because they think it serves their purposes. And, and that to me is terrifying because we did this once before, in the early 90s, we saw the Ruby Ridge, we saw an empathy mcveigh's, they were Fringe at the Right, right. But in many ways, those guys looked up and they saw the same things, we're seeing a much smaller ways and it causes them to act and I don't condone any of it.
I think Timothy McVeigh was like monster Beech Hill children and yet the sentiment that he had is building more sympathy. In the same way, that people who go back and read the Unabomber is Manifesto today. And I don't know if you've ever read Tim kaczynski's, Ted, Ted Kaczynski. Yeah, uncle Ted. And the cat, there's actually one that says, Uncle Ted's cabin established, like whatever,
whatever they took it down. I'm here I remember who going and being arrested and thinking like oh my God, look at this. Guy like he was a monster. He was mailing package bombs, but then you go back and read why he was and you go. Okay, he was a monster. He had terrible ideas and he enacted them in a bad way and obviously hurt people that were
unrelated. I'm it was a totally diseas'd mine action and yet the problems that he saw, and that he was trying to address were real, he just didn't understand how to handle it because he was an analytical type. And, you know, he basically Veer off on a hard right on an, you know, an exit ramp that, nobody should exit off on.
But his assessment of technology and the Connective human beings and all those things really were almost prophetic, which is bizarre and fun to say as a former FBI agent. Can I bring this back to our discussion? Literally five minutes ago because we have a foot move that far from what we're talking about. Here is dissenting opinion which should be always embraced.
Yes I was very sour on Edward Snowden when it first went South and he went to Russia until I listen to him, I think for almost six hours on Joe Rogan and it changed my thinking And if you're going to insult, if one is going to insulate themselves from contrary thought and insist even through the use of governmental violence, the live with inside of a hermetically-sealed bubble, it's a formula for, for greater concert. So I would argue it were much
better off. Listening to dissenting points of view but like really listening active listening skills. Cuz it may mediate some of your thoughts mitigate, you know, immediate yeah. Media, some of your thoughts as well as the person with whom you're having the exchange with but that is not allowed anymore, right? So I engage with a guy named David Weissman on Twitter the other day and David Wiseman story apparently was that he was just like rabid pro-trump guy.
He's Jewish, he was a veteran, he was H chaplains assistant in the Army. So he's a military veteran and I don't know enough about the chaplains, assistance, roll, On the Army side, but I intend to ask him and I just end up on Twitter and we saying these things and it's like IV. Emily disagree with almost everything you say. But you started in a place where you believed a lot of the same things that I did and I was never a pro trunk guy in a vehement way. Like I like Trump policies.
Trump actually earned my vote between 2016 and 2020, which I think is an interesting thing for the suspense was like, we were never like Maga guys. I don't own a MAG, a hat, I own a red hat because it triggers people. I think it's funny but has nothing on it and I may get something in, you know, I wanted to say, make steak make America steak again, because I really love steak, and I just think that's Funny and I'm making fun of vegans is the thing that I
find amusing. If you're a vegan deal with it, like I don't really care. You're allowed to not eat meat. I'm just going to eat two animals for everyone that you don't. And so this is kind of the mindset that I have and then I engage them. I said, would you be willing to sit down?
I was like, I don't agree with almost anything you say what I can tell, but I'd love to know how you and I are seeing either different information and coming up with these different ideas or we're seeing the same information and it's tilting you the opposite way that it tells me because I want to know what why the hell are you thinking like that? And and let's have that interesting dialogue.
And if it convinces people away from what I believe, fantastic like, I don't care, I want people to understand back up their opinions but there's a small possibility we talked and we find common ground that we both want to see our children live successfully that we want them to be unimpeded and be able
to be raised in certain ways. I bet you there's more things that David Knight agree on even though politically and on Twitter, you know, he's out there like cheering on, you know, all the destruction of anything that is against his ideology, that seems to be this. This you cannot accept even a common And with your enemy even even in World War one when we were dealing with some of the most obnoxious and disgusting forms of truth of trench warfare.
You know, the men from Western cultures got together and celebrated Christmas in the middle of the no man's land. And that to me, tells me that we have lost something because that was about as dehumanizing as well as you can get.
You were being shelled into Oblivion by someone who you could physically, eyeball and see and they were dropping artillery on your heads and still, those people knew that they were human beings who had families that were going to come and celebrate Christmas. There was a truce Was signed
overnight. You can only imagine how intense that was probably on the bodies of their friends that they were walking between to get there and then they celebrated Christmas in different languages and they went back they went back to war the next day. Dehumanizing, who danger?
It really is, I mean once human beings become something, non-human something that has to be slaughtered and moved out of your way and their history modern and Modern Man, history of man is Rife with, you know, thousands and thousands of examples. Samples of that. Just because we're living today in the 21st century doesn't mean that we cannot get to dehumanization again.
I mean, we're already seeing some of those kinds of things in North Korea and China with the uyghurs and other parts of the world. We're seeing human trafficking and numbers that we haven't seen since the British and the United States. Later on helped end the slave trade. Dehumanizing is a slippery slope. No question about it. It comes from a therapy background and so she spent she has a master's degree in counseling.
We talk a lot about that. I learned a lot of counseling, speak listening to her, talk to her friends, and some of these kind of conversations when there's three women counselors together that are talking about whatever they clock about and my wife wouldn't take any umbrage with me saying it that way, he's always walking on what are you chickens clucking about? Just Piper Alpha them and they would always like, well you had a good day, they clock about it and then they go back to know
anything. But one of the things that they discussed in this the term, it's called other ring, which is a very leftist way of looking at It's a very gentle sort of software. But other thing is to say, I am creating that divide that rip at dehumanization. I'm making you an other and the minute it becomes an other. Now you're them, they are doing this. We are doing something different.
And that wedge that do that divided wedge creates opportunities for looking at the other as a real foe, once you other people. And we started doing that this country in a big way. Yeah, what we did was in and you saw through a lot of the codes. So they made people choose a side And the side was, are you with us or you with them? And rather than saying, the way that we've always done this country, you can have religious differences. You can agree not to do something that everybody else
does. If you choose to do that, no big deal. You just during this one part of the time, you do something different because you have an accommodation for it. But, you know, and I know that they didn't allow that sort of thing. But then talk about what that look like. Being on the inside, you are a very different field office. I know you saw Austin. I'd love for you guys to kind of discuss the other thing that happened even within our agency
as a microcosm country. Well, and And we touched on a think, at dinner last night or maybe it was breakfast, but with this country sought happen in real time, we saw it happen now.
People, especially those who are really paying attention and looking back and seeing that things may have gotten a little bit back to normal, but we can never forget what those who three years was like in this country and it was worse elsewhere and it was worse in Australia, New Zealand, it was worse and that that other fact that we saw from inside was You must do what we say or else and we were both recipients of that. And In law enforcement, we talked about China earlier.
There's no coincidences, I don't think there are in life and in law enforcement, I learned that quick and then part of my faith really is help. What solidified that. And so when you see that other ring happen inside the most powerful law-enforcement agency in the world, it's a scary place to be because sure inside the own agency. Now you are one of the others because you didn't want to get a vaccine. You didn't want to attest.
You didn't want to submit a religious accommodation because you should Have had to because you do have a reasonable belief, I shouldn't have to write 15 pages about that as to why you should let me live my life, the way I want and not put in injection in me that I don't want to get or whatever else. And so you, it came to a point where the the quote-unquote rules literally were, if you're not vaccinated, you must wear mask. And so there's now your symbol
of being another very everyone. Yeah. People always said, oh you guys are drawing, this really like start parallel you're trying to act like this is like the Holocaust And the answer was always the same for me.
You can tell me if you agree with this one Sergeant, but I always said that we aren't being treated like the Jews in the Holocaust. Our government is beginning to act like the Nazis and that should be terrifying because it didn't start with death camps, but it never starts with death caps, it starts with dehumanizing and part of that wedge was wearing a mask. Was you have to go and go test for covid, Every 72 hours and you're different.
And I guess you're unclean. And you've now basically created this thing where it's like, what He's one of the guys that has to go and test so and now it's on everybody's timesheet. And so now the time figures who never met, you know, one thing about you you're a non-compliant prosperous and I was a non-compliant problem. And so by being that person you have created that other and how many of those people do?
We know? And just are small circle, every single one just about was in that camp every single one of the whistleblowers that I know of. So do they have a list with our names on it? Absolutely. Every single person in the FBI roughly 3,000 of us, They have a list of our names because we were required to provide some information to them.
After the executive order, one 4043 was signed on September 9th 2021. And in short order, we did provide that we had two and they had a list and ask forward a year and people started getting taken off that list because they were removed from the agency. And you know, people do always jump right to death camps and 1945 when America discovered that And most of the world didn't know only really at that
point. Only Germany, new. And then people like, oh my gosh, this is a lot worse than we thought, let's rewind because a so I want to hear what George saw in Boston because we had different field offices. I experienced something out of Albuquerque's, you experience it of Kansas City, and you were in Boston, which is a very Catholic
city, right? And I don't think that the point of view was that different in Boston, which is really, I think probably the most distressing point is that the reaction across the bureau and across the nation was homogeneous. Has. It was clear clearly visible separation from the unclean and those who were compliant.
And it got to the point where those of us who didn't agree with some of the, the covid policies would meet in be, would instant message each other and then meet in some Third party location that we were we were pasted on the ground, right? It just to be able to discuss out loud because even to voice a difference of opinion. If someone could hear it, you'd be up on the eighth floor, explaining to your boss, y-you're not ascribing to this prescribed line of thinking.
And so the wild thing, for a lot of people on one of the reasons why I came up with the group I did, which ended up being a group of a lot of them being whistleblowers, which is very strange. And I, when I talked, People who have listened to me, speak publicly. I say there's a couple hundred that were involved. We created a group, but it wasn't to whistle blow. It wasn't to go say that they were things going wrong in the FBI specific to the National Standard.
What we were talking about was is that they were treating everybody wrong internally and that led everybody to the Natural outgrowth to look. What else are they screwing up? What else are they doing in this? Crazy way. But, very effectively, they divided and conquered. They made people feel like an island. And when you're, when you're an island, you basically have two options. Maybe three. One of them is that you can submit to the authority, which The goal.
They wanted to show that you were completely outnumbered and you had no other option other than to go forward and join the majority. And that was a strong peer pressure tactics. Any people submitted a second thing is a lot of people left the FBI so they drove out those that were not going to be complicit that we're not going to homogenize and be part of the sort of echo chamber.
Any of that rigorous analytical thought that said look, is there another way that we should be doing this that got thrown out?
And I think many of you experienced that in your jobs as well, it didn't happen in, just the FBI didn't happen in just the federal government which was the largest employer, they were actually aggressively applying the same sort of pressure tactics into Private Industry. And so we saw the same things happen in the transportation industry, in the medical field, especially in the medical field, a bunch of other places where they were trying to get a modulus thought.
And anybody that was a dissenting opinion was getting pushed out and a lot of those people, those defending opinions also, turn out to be people who have a pretty good concept of what it looks like overseas to see violence.
And so you've now marginalized and tried to other and dehumanize people who know what that looks like and that is Incredibly scary weird, you know, poke the Frog moment where it's like, go on, do something act out and then we'll show you how aggressive it is. I think we talked about it. George, I'm going to throw it back of you by Dimension that you need f-15s in order to overthrow the government. Yeah. I think I'm a misquote, mm. I'm sure somebody will correct me.
Probably not in the chat, but maybe from the White House. You think you're going to take over the government with your AR-15s, we have f-15s personal that's patently offensive for the president of the United States. My president, whether I voted for him or not, doesn't matter. He stole my president to make a blatant threat of violence towards his own citizenry is problematic, but then just a complete lack of understanding of how insurgencies work.
The Taliban was able to hold on, for 20 years with AK-47s, AK-74 is bold action, and Fields. Felt, you know, fed machine, guns and RPGs and you know hand launched rockets for 20 years and then over A superpower. So I think kind of short-sighted to say. Wow, we got f-15s. Yeah, you also have a couple million highly-trained well-armed Patriots who actually believe in the Bill of Rights and believe in the right to self-determination. This is not where we want to be going as a country.
Now, and Americans have far better privately-held weapon systems and almost any other country on the planet, it was a discussion at some With that said, over fifty percent of the private arms in the world are owned by Americans, you know? And a very, very small population compared to some of the larger places, you think about the types. I mean, there are people in this country and we probably know
some of them. I know some of them that on belt-fed machine guns, there are people that own cannons, there are people that privately owned tanks in this country and the other thing you have to assume that I think is absolutely something you cannot assume is that there's some sort of homogeneity in the military, we've all worked and we understand what kind of people these are, there is no homogeneity in the military that says Every single unlawful order. I will follow a large fraction
of people know better. We know Pilots that descended from these opinions that said look I have a right to bodily autonomy even in spite of this thing because of the certain laws are set up to protect the anthrax vaccine went through and and already determined this there's case law in favor of these guys opinions. So there are certain objections
you can make. And of course, now by Administration has shown that they were weak on the, on the vaccine idea, they pulled away in spite of the fact that they had injunctions. In the fifth circuit, there was an en banc review that said that, they Were wrong that it was unconstitutional to begin with so all the stuff came back on them and rather than hold and say no we have the courage of
our convictions, we are correct. We in fact are doing the right thing, they said the courts are going to rule against us. We're going to try to save that precedent, so we can do it again and they withdrew their mandate. So they said, now you no longer have standing. I hope that doesn't work. I hope that it actually gets a full determination because we need some case law that says they can't do it. The left is more than happy to push the legal aspect of it,
right? And say even though we're wrong and we know from the beginning, we're going to impose this Incredible burden falls on you and make you stand for your pencils and we're eventually going to crush you with them and if you don't you're a bad person correct it made them became a moral argument. Yeah, every level I think that new executive order, now rescinding the vaccine mandate goes right back to what we're talking about earlier and arbitrary or unrestrained, use of power.
That's exactly what that is, who forced people are less. I mean, I guess you always have a choice but more, unless you force people to get a vaccine that many of them didn't want, but they got it because they thought I can't lose my job over this. I have a family to feed or whatever and now, Now, they can't get that out of their body, right now, you told them, I actually don't have to get it a permanent change, right? We're at the hour mark, so that
went fast, quickly. Rather I will have George closing. Thoughts long or short on America as we stand right now? I'm sorry. I'd like to stay on long on America. I think we're headed to a very dark place that I pray every day, doesn't fix it passes Us by the strong closet. You mentioned that the moving storm front. Okay. Garrett, move that stuff. It's, I don't know when I'm hopeful.
I'm really hopeful that we're turning a corner because people are seeing what we're seeing seeing what we're talking about. And I guess I saw that, too, and then on top of it. One side is doing less to prop America up. The other side is doing more, we're going back to our faith, we're going back to Our Roots, we're reading, and technology is great. In the sense that we can easily
do a podcast from a hotel. We can easily search things and put them other than for the helicopters in the beginning. It's not that easy. Yeah. We, you know, we're having more kids and hopefully raising them in a God-fearing way. So for me, it's my faith. It's I know God's hand is on Overall. And so when I'm hopeful, I think, maybe we can turn a corner back for good on my worst days.
I realized, the Bible tells us many times that Satan is the one who controls this Earth, and that's allowed by God's hand, but all things eventually work together for his purpose. So, I know the ending already regardless of what happens if America totally fair point. I'm going to end it on saying that unlike the waffling. I actually feel long America but only in the law. I think in the near term. I think George is 100%. Correct. I think we're going to see the storm clouds gather.
We're going to see something uncomfortable, we're going to see difficulties and that's going to be the difficult times that turn to make strong men sort of from our children's generation. So the longer we stretch this thing out on the timeline and I think Georgia Greece when the cold front comes in, it brings in that storm. I love that analogy. It's that's a crushing area who were rushing here comes in afterwards and what does it make it makes for a long growing season?
After that all the parts you have to have movement of air. We've had a static situation. This country that has festered, that is rotted. That is got to the point where there's A lot of energy, there is ready to be an electrical
storm. There is going to be all those things, we can feel those clouds build up, but when the Dam breaks and the water comes down, and watched everything clean and wake up in the morning, the sunshine is clear and blue and it's, you know, dropped 50 degrees and everything feels great. That's kind of how I see this thing going. It won't be easy, but it will be simple to just ride out and maintain principal.
You want seconds when that storm passes through, there will be some damage that will be our neighbors or need help. So take advantage of that cool air when it arrives because we're going to Well, and help our neighbors. That's right. End of the day. That's always my recommendation to people. I do folks, you probably know I do a lot of Twitter spaces in the one thing that I always tell is that if you want to make a difference, you have to do it locally.
You have to go out and meet your friends that you don't know. Are your friends yet? Go knock on your neighbor's doors. If you've never met them. If you live in a traditional American neighborhood, where you got 20 doors on either side of you and you don't know the people that live there, go figure out their names, find out who they are now, because you're gonna need them later and they're going to need you in a big way.
I have a brand new house we just moved into, we've been in there for 60 days and I know five of the there's already in the neighborhood, which is pretty darn good for most Americans situation and and they're wonderful people. And most of them tend to agree with us. Some of them might even be listening to our podcast right now, which is kind of amazing. My neighbor. Corey is a really nice guy. My name is Steve is a really
nice guy. I know a lot of Steve's and my neighbor James, who lives, right next door, isn't as a Kenyan immigrants, he's a wonderful person. He's interested in be farming and has a piece of property that he's building, you know, like the American dream, he's building his own house with his own, two hands. So I wouldn't know that if I didn't go and say hello and
engage with those people. So go and meet your neighbors, the Used to do. I saw someone saying Gen-X standing strong Gen-X used to go and play with their neighbors outside, they would go out and do things that were fun with the people that were around them. So when the times were tough, they knew who to knock on to borrow a cup of sugar. They knew who to go say, hey my powers out, I need some help. Can you help me flip the circuit breaker?
They go to their friends, who was an electrician or hey, our water is not working and we got a water maid. You have a you have a wrench to be able to open it. There used to be a culture in this country that did that and we can get back to it. If we are just willing to kind of step outside that comfort zone. So once again, I thank you so much folks for joining us. If you want to follow this podcast, you can hit subscribe
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You've done. Thank you for continue to expose the Deep state. In the swamp of DC Americans can learn more from listening to An episode of your podcast. In a month's worth of propaganda by the cartel media, please continue to expose, all you can God bless you and your family. God bless all of you folks that are listening and all my two, wonderful guests. Here, George and Garrett. Folks will talk to you guys soon.
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