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But it's interesting because if you hold that that Rorschach image up and you show it to somebody on this side, they're going to see it one way. You hold it to somebody on this site, they see the exact same photo the exact same video, the exact same image and entirely different light. And and then of course, you have the extreme Eames on those two ends. Who really see it differently? I read entire tweet threads today.
Just today of people that believe that I need to be in Guantanamo and being waterboarded for the rest of my life just because I carried a capital inside. I'm in a camera inside the Capitol building, right? And these are people that theoretically five years ago would have fought vigorously that somebody could have a First Amendment right to report on. Let's say the Trump Administration they hated and they should have carried a hidden. Hammer into the into the Oval
Office and things like that. Right. Exactly. So these are the same people that ostensibly are interested in Liberty. And instead we're just seeing just bleeped and tribalism 11 sees the, you know, two ducks kissing and the other one sees like to garden, gnomes, high-fiving. I don't know. I just, I feel like you.
Hold up January 6 to anybody and we find out what you think about, almost everything else because of how you respond to that video, how you respond to the whole situation, and all the things we know and what you do and what you don't know. That's the real thing. There's a lot of like, willful ignorance, It's on both sides by the way. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. Want to credit like you saw somebody, take a spear in the face and have his cheek explode with blood.
I've never seen a but that sounds like that would be, that would get my blood boiling because I spent, you know, six plus years in law enforcement and I spent time as a medic responding to law enforcement getting involved in things and you know, law enforcement of my people especially people that are getting beaten up. I just I despise bullies. Anyone's gonna throw a spear at a guy doing his job or a woman doing this job like your that's, you know, take him to jail.
That's fine with me. And I think you probably feel the same way about it because nobody wants to see that and you also don't want to see Grandma, who's walking around taking brochures inside the red velvet ropes inside the capitol because somebody open the doors whether they were allowed to or not that lady doesn't need to go to jail. Yeah.
And you don't need to see anybody who is what I call The Accidental Tourist being swatted at 6:00 in the morning and their underwear in the middle of the winter. That's right. That doesn't need to be happened and it's like I said on Tucker's show Tuesday night I said I've lived for the last 15 months. Wondering if I'm going to see those red dots coming through my bedroom window. That's right. Every single morning at 6:00 first, thought and you know, that's the name.
I'm gonna serve the warrants. Yeah. Because that's where I served the warrant and so I don't I don't have I don't have a particular belief. I have my attorney and myself have had this discussion, many many, many times over the last several months over over a year now. Every few weeks, I say to him, don't you think it's time? We ought to give Miss ausa Anita
Eve a call. And just see if they've maybe decided not to move forward with me or are maybe a, my just at the bottom of the pile because they know I wasn't violent. So they're going to get all the other, the real ne'er-do-wells out of the way first, and he's always, oh no, no, we're not calling them. We're never ever calling them. I agree that we're not going to And then and then you're going
to love this one. And I actually I actually said this to Steve friend when I interviewed him on my podcasts. I actually said I just have this desire to contact agent Doss. The one who I Knew by Body Language didn't want to be in that room and I just want to take him out for a cup of coffee. I can tell him it's on off the
record on my side. I know nothing is ever off the record on their side but that's fine, I'm totally fine with that but I would just love to have a Conversation with him and my attorney and Steve friend both went. Oh no don't do that. Don't do that. Okay. All right, I have the same instincts that you do and here's and that's the reason why people talk to the FBI for what is worth. The instinct is some of it. Is what do they know?
And what can I find from them? That's that's a big Instinct but the other one is I'm a good person. I didn't do anything wrong. I'm going to go set the record straight and even, especially even people that you've seen that indicate that they probably have a sympathetic View.
To what your what happened to you and what you believe, and what you saw and probably believe the same way the danger in the FBI right now is. And I'm gonna have you reflect on it in one second but the danger is that a lot of people that would otherwise be ideologically sympathetic and are looking for fairness have been told in no uncertain terms. Get the covid shot. Stop talking about your religion
in any way, shape, or form. And you don't give me objections and shut your mouth and color like they tell the Marines to do, sit down and color, shut up and color, do your job. And if that means going out and arresting people who were a January 6, who you don't agree with, if you want your pension, you better. Go do that thing. And I've had my supervisor in New Mexico tell me an uncertain
terms. He said, look, I agree with you in principle and and in reality and I have a mortgage and I have an alimony and I have to pay them and I can't stand up on something like this. And so the answer is that these people have sold their dignity and they've sold their honor and their integrity for like 120 275 thousand dollars a year. And what a shame to find that out at any point in your life.
That that's what you're honoring your integrity worth because the FBI historically has always seen the crime and found the man. And now what they're doing right now and what you're what you're witnessing is, they've seen the man and they are finding the crime and that doesn't matter whether it's you or it's Mark. How in Delphia who was a pro like activists that got charged with a face act violation, you know, for defending his kid. I mean, the thing, and I interviewed him to and it's
like, you know, end of the day. Somebody says something like that to one of my kids, like I'm putting them on, put him in the gutter, they're not gonna probably able to get out for a while. They're going to need an ambulance and he was and he said, I don't know if you know this, but he played, he played football in college like he's a big dude. Like physical capable guy who has a bunch of kids and had somebody threatening his 12 year old son, I think eight-year-old of time anyway.
When they decide to go after you because you've identified your identified as the man. So what do we got here? How about Rico? That sounds like ridiculous an outrageous. Yeah, I'm the only person that's the other question that I worked with has even ever heard that they all have the same Interstate. Racketeering because you're the man. Now, they got to find the crime, and the crime is you made money, you travel to something. You stood on a bench, boom.
Now, I got you and, and what it absurd thing, and I think you're 100% correct about Them weaponizing, this government. What I had never thought about and I think this is really troubling. I've had to troubling conversations in the last two days. This is the second of them. The idea that this is the blueprint pushing and creating precedent to go further and further for this sort of Banana Republic that we are moving
towards that. The doj is trying out, new tactics and getting away with it and it's just it's a positive feedback loop right? It's reinforcing to push it further. Julie Kelly's reporting during this last week. Has kind of showed us they have Four months in the defense team. Did you see that? Oh dude. Yeah, this is big.
This is this would say, I ask this of of a FBI attorney who had 27 years as an agent and an attorney who was a chief division Council. This is the guy that calls balls and Strikes, whether you can or can't do an operation, I asked it of an ATF agent who I don't trust the ATF but he's a nice
enough guy and he's retired now. So I can ask him real questions and I go, hey, first of all, why do you work for the ATF 25 years and second of all, most importantly, did you ever think about recruiting Resources inside the defense camp and he was like if only we had thought of that, huh? He's like know the reason why you don't do it is because it's illegal because they have a right to due process.
And you were in violation. My very first conversation with my attorney, the Brad, Geyer the very first time. We talked on Wednesday morning the day before Thanksgiving 2021. We spent three hours on the phone and you know how he closed that conversation on the phone for any of those of you who are listening to me right now. I have just entered an agreement with this with Stephen Baker. He is now my client, this is an attorney-client privilege call
and he ends our calls with that. Basically a wrote statement that he makes every single time at the end of these calls because he has known as a guy, working on these January 6 cases, that he is being monitored. He knows that they're called that because he understand, he was he had to develop entire cases without being able to to visit his client in jail because his client was unvaccinated. Right?
Because that actually means that you don't have any rights under the constitution in this country. That's correct. So, he has to have those consultations with his client, attorney-client, consultations the ultimate sacrifice, you know, separation of powers there, where you get to say, anything to your attorney and knowing that, all those calls are being recorded and now we're seeing that, that actually was happening through.
Proud boys trial now. Yeah, and the second thing was and this is the one that just came out was that they actually recruited a source, The Source was going to be a defense witness and the source continued, as a CHS, a confidential human source for the bureau reporting back to the agents after meeting with the attorneys discussing strategy.
So they were catching that in real time to and this person was, you know, no disclosure to the defense that hey, by the way, this person is one of our people and found out the day before they were supposed to testify. They are in fact, a federal informant I've never, I've never seen anything like that and you're painting of it stating that this is basically just there. This is their trial, run for all of the possibilities there.
You know, we've seen that and we've seen the face act, which is the other thing. It's so absurd. And both of them are decidedly against people on the right and I don't really care what anyone's position is about. Abortion, your position about speaking out and saying your thing, as long as you're not involved in violence, and you're not violating, the federal law is really, it's not really a negotiation and I would feel the same.
If it was whether people were doing the same thing outside of an abortion clinic or if they're doing the same thing in front of a church. Yeah, yeah. Take your pick. Your body goes back, it goes back to the world that I grew up in, which was very simply this. And we talked about that earlier, you know, 19 years old. I started playing professionally when I was 16 years old and music and and, and the, how different the world we didn't the subject of politics in my band, never came up.
Everyone's today in this world I have Band members that will quit once, they learned in your politics, it's completely different world. And and what what was happening back then? In those days was, we had this idea that I don't, I may not agree with anything that you have to say, but I will stand on the line and I will defend your right to the death for the right to say what you have to say. It's a very old soul idea doesn't exist anymore, it doesn't, I still believe it. I do too.
I mean, that's what iswhat, that's what I swore in. I mean, I've sworn an oath that multiple times and it's strange. What do you as I saw that change? I mean, I was born in 1981, so I'm younger by all means and they would still the way that I grew up. You know, my dad actually interviewed me on as radio station and asked me to be grew up in a political household. Now, when he goes, do you know how your parents voted and I call not until I was in my 20s I just didn't know but I didn't
also care. It didn't really matter. It wasn't a thing anybody cared about, I remember going to college and I was a 18 years old in the dormitory and somebody was like, you know, freaking out about the fact that bush jr. Was running. And he was really into it and I went, he goes, what do you think about Bush and I go, he's a really nice man and they go. What do you mean?
I go? I my dad worked for him at the Texas Rangers. He used to be a part owner of a baseball team and my dad was a manager in the marketing department there and he really liked him. He thought he was a good guy so that's good enough for me. That was my that was my version of Politics the time. Yeah, exactly. And and that's about how far it went until much much later. Or what do you attribute that? That shift because it is a nasty shift that we've seen in this
country. I don't know anyone that likes it. That's not actually true. There may be one or two people at back and maybe so, yeah. But like, the only thing I can think of is, it has to be the internet. I mean, that, that, that has that his rewired the minds of an entire couple Generations. Now, when, you know, when I, when I think about the fact that I started cutting my political writing chops, you know, back in
CompuServe days back. But, you know, early 90s and as I said before, from CompuServe, I went to AOL and form a ol to my space, my space to Facebook, Facebook to blogging, you know? And the progression went from there, right? And so the, the fact that we're 30 years, oh, well, gosh, now can't even believe that we're, you know, we're 35 years roughly, and to the internet generation. So we've got We have. Not only children having their minds rewired, but their parents.
Now they've already had their minds rewired by the internet. Yeah. And as, as glorious as it is, for an information and communication source and has beneficial, and is as beneficial as it has been to us economically. We now what we now know what the downside is. And I think that's the only thing I can think of Kyle is that's the, that's the dividing line between that first half, because I'm a little older than
you. So, Dividing line, for the first half of my life in the second half of my life. Is he I've accent? What do you think about the? I hear people say it. I know actually one of my buddies who's he doesn't, I don't know if he has a college degree. He's like one of the deepest thinkers, that's never probably been to college kind of thing. And I love people like that. They're my favorite.
And so he has this, this unique perspective, and he always talks about the digital Dark Age that we are. We have this incredible amount of Technology available to us, but we don't know what it means. And we don't know how to use it in the same way that the people in the in Europe didn't
understand. Like they had these aqueducts and the Romans built them and they were incredible and they worked, they kept moving water in, but nobody knew how to fix the damn thing because they didn't understand what the technology fundamentally did. And it seems like in some ways. That's maybe where we're at with the internet, it exists.
It's got some power for good but nobody knows what to do with it or how to use it running and look where we're headed now with AI. And I've just been talking to some of my followers and did a little bit of a story on it already. I Experimenting with chat GPT last week. Yep. And I didn't know how to do it. So I actually had some of my,
you know, my smarter people. People that know more than I do and about those types of things, taught me how to approach my conversations with artificial intelligence. So I redirected I started challenging them started challenging, the responses. I was getting from the machine and the Machine would sometimes apologize to me go.
Oh yeah, you're right. And then it would correct itself and come back with the The correct information and I went, okay, you had access to the correct information already, are you telling me that your You released, what you did release to me in the first time? I asked you that question out of some sort of pre-programming bias and the Machine would refuse to acknowledge her admit to bias and it's thinking, or in its programming, absolutely refuse. It would never ever confess to bias.
What. But, but nevertheless program are now. Did you see it? Did you, but did you see the poem? I had it right now. I did, I didn't dig deep enough into the At. Oh okay. All right. Well, let me see if I can find it. I won't waste any time here. And and then again, maybe you can you can edit it out here if I can't find it fast a problem. But but what what happened was is after I've had this incredibly long conversation with this machine, I finally asked it to write me a poem in
the style of e.e. Cummings. Okay I play favorite poets is a young young man. I was in the literature as told you I was a pollutant My dad, by the way, I've got, I've got complete works of e.e. Cummings in my library. There you go. And so I hear I found it. So this was the question that I put to it. I said, can you write me a poem about the Department of Justice handling of the January 6, 2021 riot in the style of e.e. Cummings? That's my question. Okay, that's a very specific.
I've seen it, do things like dr. Seuss and some other stuff about the Second Amendment. So I'm interested that you want to read it to us. So here's what it says to me. The frightening part Kyle is that it entirely produced its response and the entire text of the four verse poem in less than two seconds. Right? That's Fine. So here it says it, introduces it for me here's a poem and the style of e.e. Cummings that reflects on the Department of Justice, handling
of the January, 6, 2021 riots. And here we go. Perfect e.e. Cummings Style, no punctuation since you know, yep, no capitalization is stable, may not know that, but that's, that's the thing. That's the way EE Cummings, lowercase, b. Lowercase e coming, spelled out, no punctuation.
Machine wrote. Oh Justice. Be your sword unsheathed to meet out truth and prosecute the deceived the capital stormed by an angry horde, to disrupt destroy, and break the lawful Accord, but the doj firm in its solemn role investigates in deitz and upholds, the rule of the hole. So let us trust in the Blindfolded made to balance the scales and ensure Justice is
conveyed that's horrifying. And did you catch the first verse it said and prosecute the deceived It's incredible stuff that's really dense to. That's really bothering. That's gonna bother me. Thank you for that. Now I can go walk around. I already am scared of this. Is that this damn thing? Because I grew up in a generation watching the Terminator and Terminator 2 and yeah. So there's a really interesting totally unrelated but there's a very interesting way.
I experiment, that's done in a follow-on. They did a thing called the the Sarah Connor Chronicles. You familiar with that at all. Yeah. Do you watch any of them? No, I haven't, but I'm I know it exists. I'd say it's entertaining. I don't know if it's worth anybody's time or not. If you happen to be a Terminator 2 type, it's got pretty women in a doing cool, you know, but kicking stuff.
And you've got a young John Connor who's trying to figure it out and he is dealing with this concept of artificial intelligence. I think that's really the most I've ever seen it dug into, you know, if you remember the T1000 and the T800, they were kind of like killing machines, right? They didn't really they didn't really Process a whole lot.
They were learning, you know, he was a known that computer but he was still Arnold Schwarzenegger so he didn't really have a lot of depth in that, that I are in this one. They take the, they take, the, AI chip that they get from something, and they plug it into a machine, and they build a supercomputer around it, and they plug it into a body of a deceased Terminator. That was be powered for some reason. And so now it has a face and a name and it looks like a Terminator.
It's a muscular white male, you know, with a buzz cut. But it's learning like a child and they named it. John Henry for the man who could outwork the machine. All this is very, very dark stuff when you start watching it. It's really, really good. They had a couple of great scenes in there where the the Terminators actually throwing all this, you know, takes a Tactical Team apart of the FBI, of course, right? But and they're playing their plan, Johnny Cash, right?
And he's just, you know, you could. What is it called sooner or later? God'll cut you down as the song very dark watching like bodies fly off a balcony into the pool and deleting stuff and and this John Henry is learning poetry and learning why people do things. And but it's the idea of a true AI that is literally learning for the sake of learning, not with the bias of a programmer and the and the thing that's programming, it turns out to be another Terminator from a more
advanced one. So it's a machine programming, a machine child to learn for the sake of Purity. And that's not the AI that we're seeing. In this country, we're seeing an AI that has the all the biases and wild sort of inclinations of a very far left Silicon Valley group and they're making it available and a lot of Not the only person who's exposed at that. That's a really scary poem when every level it's like well I mean I mean when I when I read that first it's also really
good. Yeah. It's also incredibly Good Very well-crafted, it's absolutely eloquent. It's absolutely perfectly E Cummings and the fact that it when I saw that that conclusion to meet out truth and prosecute the deceived that was bias programming right there. Why didn't we why didn't the artificial intelligence spit out and prosecute the guilty? Right. Good have done. That could have chosen that word. No, it's really, really specific.
It's a very specific value. Do it knew that the protesters that day, were were protesting an election result and that they had been lied to by their president prosecute, the deceived, That's how deep that poem is. It's so ugly and it's really scary.
Like I said I grew up in fear of AI and I tend to agree with Elon Musk types that it's the scariest thing that's out there but it's scary or it's much scarier to think that it comes with the bias of the people that are building it in the people that are building. It probably think guys like you are a domestic terrorist because you showed up to videotape and document something and you continue to do so throughout the the course of one day. One day in your whole life that
you went did that. But, you know, going back to your question about why I think that they may be retargeting me, we chased two or three. Rabbits, since you asked me that question, that's what we do, yeah, which is fine. I'm enjoying the conversation, but what ended up happening was as, you know, I have been very aggressive, I was also the only voice of my kind of Our Kind in The Oath Keepers trial for nine weeks, tweet storming, Live every day from The Trial.
I was not on a reporting on what was happening in the trial. The absolute complete evisceration of the Bill of Rights and of Justice Itself by the behaviors of those us attorney's and by the judge presiding over that trial. As I watched it unfold before me, I was, I was aghast and I was reporting on it as it happened and I was calling balls and Strikes and and rules violations as they were
happening in the game. And then But my story was also on the other 22:25 sometimes, 30 mainstream press affiliate, you know, reporters that were in there as well. I was began writing about them as well.
Yep. And what I was seeing in their reporting because I would walk out of that media room everyday go and then look at their stories as they would come out over the course of the evening and into the next morning, and I would come back the next morning and have to stare at them and just never verbalize the question. Did you watch the same? Trial that I saw yesterday. That's right. Well, they have the same.
They have the same biases, they're bringing that the jurors are bringing, and one of the things that has been so unique. And I know it's been stated, but will say it one more time. There is no precedent for people fighting to get on a federal jury in anywhere that I'm aware of. It's not a thing, it doesn't exist anywhere. Nobody wants to be on a federal jury, nobody want to be on any
jury. It's a massive inconvenience for your life and people are crawling all over themselves and excusing, their own biases in ways that are completely illogical. In order to sit and mean out Justice because they want to be part of the retribution, that stop these evil people. These evil evil people that did this terrible terrible thing and they're going to be part of it. They're gonna be part of history.
That is a that is a heretofore never never seen in this country in any way and so you're seeing all the pieces of it you're seeing judges that are on board. You're seeing jurors that are fighting to be part of it, you're seeing journalists that have a side and they are man they are rooting for their team. They are not watching the same game you're watching. It scares the hell out of me, to be honest with you, like it. I've read Ryan J. Riley's reporting.
And I think he's a buffoon, because he thought that earplugs were rubber bullets in Ferguson. And I basically have discounted anything. He said I know people can grow and they can, they can change. He hasn't shown me that he's had any more discernment since then. He's still saying foolish things including about me personally. So I think are funny.
It's like I think you're a beta male and I think that you wouldn't say any of those things to my face because if you're gonna act like that, like you're a fool but so be it that hopefully he listens Podcast used to listen to some of mine and do his thing with. I've been right about him, but they go up there and there will be, will he probably will? Because Ryan and I met at that trial. He interviewed me for his book. Oh good, which is S edition
hunters or whatever. He's calling it something. Yeah, something like that. He but he interviewed me for two and a half hours for his book. And when he called me up sitting right at this desk right here, and I said, actually he texted me and said, hey would you know be interested in doing a sit down with me for my book. I said sure. Just let me know when Boom the phone rings, right? Then sometime early evening and I went because you got time right now. Yeah, what the heck?
I said oh by the way I'm going to be recording this and I said, if you misquote me, are you mischaracterize anything? I say, I'm going to burn the house down. He said, okay, fine, good enough. And that's how that's how that interview started. He's quoting me accurately. And the things that he thought were like an indictment of my character because I said, I thought the on the day of January 6 was really funny from where I was sitting and it was, it was Hilarious.
I'm telling you I was shooting with a bunch of regular cops and then we look down and I was a dude with Viking horn standing in the middle of the floor and we're like like that's absurd like that's it. That's theater of the Absurd alternate universe weird at 40 something, you know, almost 40 years old at that time, you know, for I'm 41 now. So I'm looking at that and going never in my life. Would you have been like, is that on your bingo card for the
next three years? Nope, that's not on my bingo card, I wouldn't even put. I wouldn't waste the square man. Not even on the free space that's craziness, that wouldn't happen. And so that happens is Quota mean it's like and then and then they also showed, I told him told everybody when I put these first, you know, my fledgling podcast out that that I threw away leads of January 6th. And the January 6 leads were awful, they were straight-up awful, it was. I knew Steve Baker.
Back in high school. I knew he played the trumpet. He really loved Dragon, he's an asshole. He probably loves Trump, and he probably burned down the Capitol and it's like I'm not going to go investigate that are you out of your mind? Like I wouldn't waste my time. I wouldn't waste anybody's time with that. I wouldn't even waste an analyst time with that. It's trash. That's where that Goes that's personal Vendetta and animosity. That's the stuff that we saw
though. But there are a lot of agents that ran, that, that lead down and they came and talked to you. I mean, you know what I mean? And they would, that's exactly right and and so, so that's what happens. That's what's so scary, go back to, so, back to why we're worried about today, yeah, I have been, as a said, very aggressive in my analysis, very aggressive in my writing. I'm also now working with a group in DC that is feeding the, the alleged weaponization committee.
The group that I'm working with are very very well-connected their own Capitol Hill every single day. They are very much like you. And I and that they are angry about what's not happening with those committees. Yeah, they're, they're absolutely insist and sensed at the stonewalling and what they feel like is a betrayal of the actual function that stated function of that committee by its leadership. Yes, Jim Jordan.
And these say, it loud about it. Shut up before I look I've no but mod I already have I've called him out. Brutally in my Twitter feed, I feel the same way, but it's like, it's like look, if he does it he does something well, that we give an attaboy. And if he doesn't we tell them we're disappointed and that's just being honest people. Like that's what constituents are supposed to do.
Well, as you've heard, I've called out the name of Anita Eve several times I've called out my agents names here. That's generally the way I, right? Yeah. It's like if they're going to come after me, then I can I can spread the love as well. And so the the It's not, it's not my own form of Vendetta or retribution, it's just equal opportunity and it's equally, it's, it's equal time. It's equal speech.
Is what it is to me. If they're going to prosecute me, then I'm going to let the world know who's coming after me. And what ended up happening was on Monday of this week. My attorney called me mid-afternoon and his first words out of his mouth after I said, hey Brad, what's going on? He said, hey just letting you know that we're both in the kill box. X. Did you define that term for you? Well, I know what a kill box is and I'm like, keep talking. And he said, He said.
Well he said, you know how basically how I've had to pull you back on a few of your stories because every once in a while I write something that scares me. Okay. I've sent it to him. Yeah. And let him go, you know? And and just as an example, I've done part 1 part 2, part 3 of my Capitol Police story and, and in that series, one of the reasons why I'm getting calls and I'm being privately contacted by Capitol. Police officers, is they know
that. Playing Fair. Yeah, I'm not I'm not one of those guys on our side who has characterized every officer that day as a murderer, every officer is Michael bird. And you know, that that's the way they've. That's what we know, you read it, I've interviewed them. There's a class of people on our team who that's the way they think about every law enforcement officer up there. Yes, a great buy and I don't
have a team either. So, It's like, I like that and I found that to be very much the case so far since we've been talking. So I appreciate that as a, just a middle-of-the-road sober thing. It's like, look, these things happen. Some things are good, some things are bad, you know, like the whole rest of your life, like every other person's experience in life, not everything is one thing. So, they've been coming out and talking to you.
Yeah. So they've been coming out and talking to me. I'm obviously reporting on that. Yeah. And and the word is getting Out Among the legal Community as well. That I'm ruffling feathers. Then that conversation was on Monday, the kill box, the kill box conversation was on Monday Tuesday morning 6:30. A.m. I get a phone call from another journalist friendly journalist.
Who called to tell me that he had a friendly Source inside the doj and d.c. who phoned him on Monday and said I'm paraphrasing but he said your friend in Raleigh, tell him to be careful. He has awakened a couple of people. Who are really unhappy with what he's reporting on right now. That was Tuesday morning at six, you know, when another journalist calls you at 6:30 a.m. It's not gets a pretty, that's a pretty significant warning. Wake morning, wake-up call? Yeah, no coffee required.
Yeah. And coincidentally I hear from Steve friend, you know, 1:00 or 2:00 in the afternoon. You interested in being on Tucker, he puts me in touch with the gal, that set that up. And I'm sitting in the studio talking to Tucker that night about that very situation. Obviously, we didn't have time to get into that kind of detail.
About while I think that I'm being about to be targeted yet again, but as I said, my own attorney has had to walk me off the ledge a couple of times with some of my stories and I mean, even even I had, I was contacted one time, not contacted but I was officer Harry. Dunn's attorney took a part of warning, shot across my bow, publicly-owned on Twitter. And so, I immediately got on the phone with my attorney and said, hey, are they going to sue me, for what I'm saying about hair?
He done and he goes let them cookies. Then we can accuse that's a lot more evidence. We can get into everything out into the open. And he said, yeah let him come on he said cousin then we get to take him down and he said that's why they're not going to because the video evidence will prove that Harry Dunne is a liar when it's released remind me, who Harry done is I know the name now and I can't place what his role is a police officer.
He done is the one that was made that he's the big six-foot, 867 350-pound officer who Was credited with so many wonderful Deeds that day. He's received a presidential medal, a Congressional Medal Department, Metal. He's got got his book deal and he's the guy that claimed that he was subjected to a group of rioters chanting the n-word at him. Right?
Of course, right and every single black, you SCP officer that I've spoken to and there have been several all say that Or happened the black officers that I'm speaking to. Yeah, and there's a fair, there's a fair number of black officers on US Capitol, Police for people who don't know, that's, that's who lives around d.c., there's a lot of that, there's a lot of gentlemen, that look like that.
I have no thought that doesn't sound credible either, that's not the sort of thing that happens in America. Generally speaking, especially the most, it's the most recorded event in the history of the world, and you're telling me that an event of that magnitude had it been recorded on one of the hundreds of cell phones that would have been present and rolling at that time or any of the professional photographers, are the independent journalists that were in that area at the
time. But I led that we must capture, we would have not heard a single January 6 story at on any network ever for two and a half years without that audio running. That's right. I agree. And it didn't happen but that's not the big lie and the big lie is buried in the videotape, and I've seen it And that has to do with his testimony Against The Oath Keepers and receipt changed.
His FBI in the to FBI 302s and they're both, still under seal, but they were both referenced in court, so I can talk about it first. FBI interview, he credited The Oath Keepers, this was in May of twenty Twenty-One withstanding, a line in front of him and helping, prevent more of the agitated protesters keeping them off of him. The way you'd expect back to people who are former law enforcement and Military to do correct. Sometime between May 20 21 and August of 2021.
The Oath Keepers were determined to be the perfect Patsy scapegoat whatever you want to call them as the tip of the spear as the leaders of the Insurrection, as a militia during a militia group violent right-wing extremists. Militia group as they were characterized and Harry Dunne was brought back in for another interview with the FBI, which I've read both 302s. And the only reason that he was
brought back in for that. Second interview was to change his o keeper story which he did and he created another event that happened in another place which he said he thought were Oath Keepers at the time, but it actually wasn't the actual real Oath Keepers and that. That event was actually a confrontational event and it was from beginning to end and the only reason for the second interview was to change that statement and and it created it out of whole cloth.
I've seen the video that proves that he lied but I can never show it because it's under seal. This is capital police footage. Not your footage. It is capital CCTV coverage. All right, I'm going to keep, I'm going to pay it back to what we were talking about. You got a phone call 6:30 in the morning. What's your next action on that? That puts you in the seat to talk to Tucker, obviously a shorter interview then then what we're doing here.
So I'm glad we get to talk as much as you want about it. It's one of those things that's so tough and having done those shows that I've been on Waters, I've been on stalkers, you know. Same as you. It's like, you get 90 seconds of actual talk and you catch 90 seconds of question. Tucker's actually good at listening, I think, but there's such short Snippets. You got one. You get one idea. You can just Send out across it, that's it. Yeah, yeah.
We're approaching Joe Rogan territory here by the. Yeah. We're coming up on three. That's all right. People. Listen to it, they can break it up into bite-size. Always tell them that. That's the nice thing about leat releasing on a Monday morning. It's like, you got all week. We'll do another one. You got seven days, listen to it. Or you can listen to it next week. I don't care.
You listen to it anytime you want, because the interviews are the interviews and the story that someone has to tell us their story. And I don't know how long it takes and neither do you until we start doing it. So, yeah, what do you? You think the mechs the most likely course of events are for you coming up next, you got that call. You're obviously on the offensive. I agree with that move. I've done the same. I think it is the move.
It's the only thing that keeps just the justice department at Bay is the fear of bad publicity. I don't know why, I don't know why they care because it doesn't seem to be the way that they're running their trials. They don't seem to be interested in the Constitution. They care about a little bit, maybe a little bit of public sentiment is that? I think I think that The answer to that question is our that thought? Is that most of the country still respects, the First
Amendment? Not all of them is we know. We talked about the Rorschach test, we talked about the division, the extremes that of the, you know, this Chasm between what appears to be the two sides now right now.
And but still there's still a lot of guys, I mean look how many guys on from the left wing press have what, you know whether they've been actually read pilled as we call it or not have have become Well, they're showing their classical liberal Stripes now and they're defending the First Amendment there. Defending speech. Again, if we're talking about whether we're talking about Joe Rogan or Matt Taibbi, or we're talking about shellenberger are
just go down the list. And yeah, Barry Weiss and Lee Fang. Although is it just more and more and more and more of them are going. Wait, stop stop. We I can still be of I'd Biden
voter but I can't I can't. Align with you on this remoteness or this, the suspect a suppression of speech or this you know, this deep platforming and and Shadow Banning of speech and and so I think that if there's any hesitancy left in the Department of Justice and as I've characterize them as using January 6th as their, their R&D has her testing grounds, for where they want to take this country. Do you think that Scotch is by the way?
Do you think that's a A conscious decision that someone is making. Yeah, they just okay. I the the actual Gates of Hell. Evil I saw in the go in The Oath Keepers trial had to be conscious because these people they either literally have a seared conscience or this was a conscious, you know, decision and probably maybe both. Yeah, this is your idea. So I don't know that I have an
opinion on it yet. I think it's an incredibly interesting thing to to dig into and I'm I think that that's a certainly plausible that it is conscious, I'm curious how many people are actually driving that in a conscious way. And and so let's say that is conscious that it's a conscientious effort to do this. What's the endgame look like It is to in fact shut down the other half of the country and to
shut down our speech. Eventually the only bulwark that we have and Kyle, you know this I get I get this from my own blog followers from New Zealand, Australia, Russia Romania. He's got one never came. I won't waste time trying to think of the country of the country.
I've never gotten a message from before but I'm not sure that I even knew it existed, but these people tell us that the only reason that there are remaining vestiges of freedom on this planet to whatever level in these other countries that they still have their varying levels of Liberty is because of our Second Amendment. I hear that too. That's the last Domino. It is the last one and I have also written this about Sixth. Is that? I believe. That they anticipated and
expected. The Maga crowd to show up with concealed weapons. Use those weapons and that would have been the end of the Second Amendment. Had that happen to that day. It would have been over. That's really interesting and I have written about that several times and it is by the grace of God that it did not happen because we do know that, some of those guys were armed, they just didn't use their weapons. Yeah. That's I mean that's a threshold that a most people are in the
military communities. The Special Operations guys, talk about flipping the switch, I think a lot of people didn't have that. They didn't the people that showed up that would have done. That are not the types of people that we're going to flip the switch and there may be blowhards maybe fools maybe both and thankfully they did not do that. The thing that you're talking about, the second amendment being the the last hedge and I do agree with you on that on every way and I have said that
pretty publicly. I also all say it. Because I think it's really important. I think that if anybody is looking at the division that's happening in this country, and they don't think that violence is on the menu. I'm not saying we have to order it and I hope we don't very clearly.
But do you have the same Instinct that that is obviously one of the items on the menu that is that we're looking down with this sort of behavior because once you're once you're looking at a government that delegitimize has its own authorities by trampling over these, the civil liberties in the Bill of Rights, the number of legitimate recourse, options are very, very low. Right?
If we're talking about the Philadelphia abortion, clinic protester, if we're talking about the school board meeting protesters, the families have been characterized, as you know, domestic terrorists, for speaking speaking up, but this is, I believe a conscientious objective objective coming from the Department of Justice to shut down the speech because look, because you have to look at the trials. All right? Look what What's happening in
the individual cases? If you're one of what I call these Accidental Tourist that walked through the building if you did so silently and you rolled up your flag. You might get out of there, with either two or one single misdemeanor, you'll get two years probation, five hundred dollar fine on an hours of community service slap on the wrist and you're sent back home to live your life and wait out your probationary period to be over with, okay?
but if you wrote on your Facebook page prior to, or afterwards, I stormed the capitol today. And that's all you said, you got eight months in prison, same thing, right? You didn't do anything different or if they got you on video, chanting whose house our house whose house our house that's going to cost you six months in jail. Right Said, alright, now, let's take it to the other extreme oathkeepers trial for whatever The Oath Keepers may or may not be guilty of our shouldn't say
whatever. They may be guilty of. Let me tell you what they're not guilty of. What they got convicted of. Not a single one of them. Yeah, guilty with the exception exception of Jessica Watkins who took full responsibility for that shoving match. She got in at shoving scrums, she got in with some of the Metro Police Department. Okay.
Where's inside the Capitol? And she took full responsibility, her lawyer on her behalf admitted to it, she took the stand as a surprise witness in her own in her own defense and admitted on the stand and said she was welcome, welcome. Welcome any punishment. That they would meet out. As a result of that violation and she was sorry that she did it every single other defendant in that trial. And in the subsequent trials, as well, have been prosecuted for speech that people didn't like,
right. Not now in that trial, Kyle, it was somewhere between it was either seven or nine FBI agents testified in that first trial under cross-examination, which the mainstream pass, completely avoided totally failed.
To render to the American people was that every single FBI officer in that trial under cross-examination said, I have no proof of written verbal or otherwise given orders from oathkeeper leadership to enter the capital, Thorpe the election certification, overthrow the government. Every single FBI officer about all five of those defendants answered that. Exact same way over and over and over again, it was at sick case, yeah. Then where's the conspiracy? It's the emanations and the
penumbra I think, right? It's it's the fact that a bunch of ex military and law enforcement guys, get on the phone or on chat groups together and talk shit. Like they always do just like all the guys that I know down here at Bragg. Yes. And and it's just the way they talk. That's right. And it's 100% obviously and and and the jury got a brain washing and I say that Early. Because I understand how this I media is. My world. Music is my world.
I know how to keep a dance floor packed all night long at. That is not easy to do and it is a it is a science. It is a skill that is learned but you know, how to program that audience, you know, how to hypnotize that audience and keep them hypnotized for two or three hours. And what that department of justice presentation was, and that trial was a high-end super fast pace flash media.
I mean, Up, chat group, chat group, chat group, chat group, all this inflammatory language, video video video. Here's the guys on the firing range in Florida in September of 2020, which they probably do every month anyway before Jan. Yeah, something they do anyway. The before, before January 6 was even scheduled chat group, chat group from October, November. December before January 6, was the amoeba because the January 6 event was not announced on December 19th.
With 20/20 and they're just like over and he's just fast as they can throw this. This, this programming, this brainwashing, multimedia, brainwashing at that. And, of course, as you already stated, these clients, don't have the money to hire the type of Defense teams that can counter financially. The type of unlimited budget that they had in that trial that the the Department of Justice presented in that trial, is that it's just there's no way.
A to counter that their presentation was fact, more factual but is Clumsy. It was it was an ill and they're already fighting way way uphill against the jury that's fighting to get on a jury. That's exactly it. You're fighting on a jury by scientific polling. Had a 95.5% predisposition towards the Oath Keepers guilt before the trial ever started, right? And, and I mean, there's no no way to combat that except a win in a motion for, you know, the change of venue but nobody's
going to allow that. Well, apparently, they're procedurally barred from doing that, is what I found out. So, I've been listening to Bill Shipp leeteuk, you familiar with him? Oh yeah, I talked to Bill Shipley, regular inside you as well on the back end here and on a couple Twitter spaces and one of the things that he mentioned, which I thought was actually the most accurate. Assessment of of the failure of doj, which you, I think you have honed in on something really specific.
His statement is that the government has no business weighing in on the outcome of a trial. They're only interested in the process and the minute that you step away from caring about the process that it's fair.
Its balance. The discovery is given on time that the Brady material is turned over the way that it's supposed to be the minute, you deviate from that and you start caring about the outcome guilt or innocence Polly, you're not Then you have departed from the mission of the government and we are in a fully departed State. At this point, we have left the
road, we have left the on-ramp. We've left, whatever sort of the feeder roads are and we are all far afield driving through recruiting sources from the defense team which is a which is yeah just it's not just the defense team. It's a public defender. This is a like a mire. Like very, very minor paid person who has the you know the only ability to get this job or as a belief in the thing.
That's true too but this is someone who is Is not a high-paid defense attorney by any means and doesn't have the capabilities of going against that and they're getting, they're getting sources into it. It's incredible stuff. I got a, I got a text from Stewart, one of Stewart Rhodes attorneys last night and he said he was addressing that issue right there. He said to are you, are you following this stuff that just coming out and the proud boys? I said, yeah. He said he's like, damn it.
I knew that they were doing that to us the whole time. I knew it was happening to us because time and time and time again, they would have just before they they would even subpoena a witness suddenly that Witness The day before the subpoena would go out, was being interviewed by the FBI or arrested, right? It happened to him at least five times during that trial and it was, it was not coincidence. You know, perfect. Perfect discrediting.
Yeah, yeah. And every single time that the defense would come in and, you know, without the jury in the room and would start arguing. This towards judge maida and said this is happening to us. Now, years in the can man, well, it goes back to your poem. Scarily enough, but the maiden is not blind. You know, the blindfold is lifted. She's peeking for one side and she's putting her arm in the scale on the other side too. So, it's a really, really scary time.
Is there anything uplifting about this? I always ask people because I do a lot of interviews that are just a lot of bad news. I think they're honest and bad news. But is there anything that gives you any kind of Hope out of any of this stuff or and it doesn't have to be true by the way, I, the last guy asks you just said, no, there's no Silver Lining. Is there anything that you see
that? You get some life experience, you got some some wisdom of going through this on two ends both as a as an investigator and also as someone who's kind of a participant unwillingly, I am asked this question every Tuesday Morning on a radio show that I do. I have a regular 30-minute spot on a national radio show every
Thursday morning. Our Tuesday morning and because our 30-minute conversation is usually a, you know, nothing but gloom and doom and the end of the Republican zombie apocalypse is all it ever consists of the, he asks me every single time. What what do we how can we, how can we close this positively today? And sometimes I can't. Sometimes, I'm just too overwhelmed by what I'm dealing with it to the moment by the cases that I'm working on the investigations that I'm doing that.
I just I can't find the light, I can't see it because it is darkness that I'm in this world that I'm moving in right now. And to the point in this is not an answer to your question, but I think that those who are still hanging with us, will will understand my point, I'm still a musician, I still play. I've got two more gigs this month, one tomorrow, when next Thursday, and I get so myopically focused on whatever story I'm working on at the time until I see it through.
I can't take, I can't I can't come out of that. That that tunnel and then I've got a I've got a gig on the calendar. I'm like man I've got a and I'm the Ione, the band, the band leader. I've got a I've got a schedule rehearsals. I've got to communicate with the set list is going to be the songs that we have to learn you know all of Sayings. And I can't come out of that tunnel and then I'd read the rehearsal that I had last night. I got.
And then, you know, I get with the band members in the, you know, bands are like, you know, locker room kind of situations. You're we have fun. And, and so it lightens me up a little bit and then I'm back into my tunnel today. And then tomorrow is my gig. And then I'd read the gig coming up and then every single time Kyle I walk off the stage at the end of the night. I can't wait to do that again, because that's the light that I have. I've left in my soul. Yep.
Is making people happy because I feel like what I'm doing right now is scaring the shit out of them otherwise and and not because that's my intent. It's that it's it's almost like it's just a Clarion call. It's the, you know, it's the the town, you know, the ringing, the bell, The Barker, I've got I feel like that because I'm also going to tell you this and Rogan
hit on this the other day. When he said, I don't know if you saw that clip where he said you know thank God for the independent journalist because the the big media is failing us utterly and they are and that's what I was. That was the point I made earlier. I can't wait for the day. I didn't have this opportunity with Tucker because I only had three minutes.
It's right. But if I ever got to do his podcast, or if I get to do Glenn Beck's podcast, or if I get to sit down with Ben Shapiro, every one of them are one of them if
I'd ever happens. I'm going to look at them across At the table and I'm going to tell them how much respect I have for the work that they've done and how much I'd I follow them and I watch them and I pay attention to what their work and the good work that they do. But I'm then I'm going to say, but you failed this country during the nine weeks of that Oath Keepers trial because you had the money, the resources and the damn staff in d.c. to come in there and you've got a
bullhorn large enough to at least balance out the Absolutely steaming stack of Barbra Streisand. It was coming out of the Mountain National media at during that trial. Yeah. And you could have offset that and maybe made a difference. Even in one charge of one person or a set. Instead you left me as this little bitty blogger guy independent, who had to pay for that sucker out of my pocket for
nine weeks. It ain't cheap to be in d.c. for nine weeks, by the way, and you left me there by myself. Yep. And you you didn't you didn't fail your audience, you failed the country by not being there that day. And you know why? Because you're scared of China were January 6. You thinks it's, you think it's toxic but I'm telling you right now, you don't understand the magnitude, what's happening as a
result of January 6th. It's the largest narrative victory in the history of this country for one political side over the other and they're taking full advantage right now and running roughshod over the Constitution. And this is the, it's the petri dish for where they're taking us in. If you don't see it, you don't understand it. You're not going to be able to stop it. So that's not positive. That's not it is but it is a good takeaway.
It is that it is the thing that I would leave everybody with is to say this, if they're not going to do it, it's going to be me. And it's going to be the other small guys. It's going to be the Independence that are out there. You know, doing the old-style gumshoe work, And and I'm going to find the port to that Death
Star buddy. Yeah, it's there and they keep they expose it every once in a while as Steve called the thermal exhaust Port. We have one on the FBI with the Catholic document that went out and made a big buzz, it hit in a big way, they're 70 million Catholics in this country that don't want to be told that they are white supremacist because it's antithetical to their views simply because they don't like
abortion. That's not a thing that's real and every once in a while they turn that little scale over the scale of smog if you were A gr talking, you know, there was a one spot where he was soft, right? And they do have a soft spot and they expose it occasionally. So we'll keep looking for it. I appreciate that. I tell everybody that because people always checking on me and do the same thing and they go, oh, you know, how you doing, and I go, it's really straightforward.
I go to bed every single night defeated and I wake up every morning Ready for War and and it sounds like you have the same attitude, so I do appreciate that in a big way. Where can people read some of this morose Doom and Gloom writing that you put out there? Where, where can they follow your blog? If they're not already doing. So yeah, I'm on locals the the easiest way to find it and you
can either write out the full. I've got a condensed my name but it's the pragmatic constitutionalist dot locals.com. Or you can just go to TPC, four. Usa.com it'll take you to the same. Exact address TPC. The number for the number for USA and at TPC for USA is my Twitter account. It's also my Facebook account. So, TPC. Four USA is the easiest way to find it. The obviously, we need you over on locals because not only is their content there that I don't share anywhere.
And I have I have these kinds of conversations with my followers there that I don't have anywhere else chair and, and that is important. And I there those are the guys that I wake up and, you know, it's 6:30 in the morning when I get a call from the telling me to, you know, I need to be looking, you know, over my shoulder that I didn't go to them and I tell them those stories that morning that I don't tell the rest of the world usually and so that's the kind
of thing that happens. There to my local group and and it's also the only place I don't have any potions or lotions or anything else to sell and so it is only through the support that we do through the subscriber side of our locals is free to subscribe to but we also have a supporter side. And so anybody that can do that over there for as little as $5, a month, can help us in in these investigations and is I said it ain't cheap being in DC. Now it's Alliance.
Well I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate you sharing all this time with us now. Three hours and change. God bless you for the for the work you're doing. I hope you keep us apprised. I hope that that they stay off your door. I hope the line stay at Bay, and we're going to need some small victories in these little fields for some people who are doing the right thing to not have the doj kick through that door. I have the same fears for different reasons, just because
I have no trust in that agency. Fortunately and what a sad world that we're living in, where our department of justice has slipped that blindfold in this is looking Us in the eye as instead of just doing the job. That is the process. So, that's a shame, folks. You've been listening to the Kyle Serafin show. And if you enjoyed what you heard here by all means you can hit. Subscribe on Rumble and you can find us on Apple on Spotify on iHeartRadio anywhere. You listen to podcast.
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