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Need not to be recording. Did they make any assurances that? He give you a copy of what they were going to record it all? Because they did have that
ability. Yeah well what they told me this is exactly what they said is that I would not be able to have access to that recording either video or audio and a less I was charged and then it would be made available to me through Discovery. But other than that, I would never see it. And then on top of that, they also mentioned though, that this was part of your property that you couldn't be charged for anything you said during that. Anyhow. That's correct.
Yeah, it's Frustrating thing that I said could be used against me unless I lied, right? Okay. So, it's funny because I guess it's quirky more than funny. It's not really funny or amusing. It's but I've been in that situation and I'm, I don't understand why you wouldn't give somebody a copy of an interview.
It doesn't bother me at all. I would make, when I sat down for proper sessions with people, they come out of prison and sit within our attorneys and I'd say, look, you know, I will send you a CD, a copy of this recording literally, as soon as I get back and I download it because I don't care. It's just like the words were there. You were there, I was there. They're the attorneys there.
We all know what was said, so well, I think that they realized well as you can imagine before this interview, both of them had a stack in front of them of everything that I had probably, you know, written up a certainly everything. I've written about January 6 up to that point because I'd had died at eight months. Now worth of work on that story at this point and they were obviously going much as they do as you are. Well aware they went further.
Further back into my history and so they had printed up all pertinent maybe in anything. I had maybe said that was inflammatory of any kind or anti-government rhetoric and of course, if you're a Libertarian, you're going to spout something anti-government every other sentence. So that's just part of what we do. Yeah. As your First Amendment right, I might add, that's correct and it's not because we intend on overthrowing the government, it's just we intend on holding
them accountable. That's is as is our right as you say, as you stated so. This this is the situation that I was up against there and and I can assure you of this and I, you know, I would, I would just as readily accept your your input on this as well, but I expected a good cop bad cop type of interview and that was not at all what happened. It's just actually one of the guys was a good guy and the other guy was an asshole. That's that's probably the most
realistic possibility. Already that you would have ever gotten, is that it wasn't intentional. You could have gotten to really nice people by the way that would have been just as likely, but but I am, as I said I've gotten a bit of my dad's profilers gift, but more more than that, I have actually studied the whole body language thing and done training in that area. And one of the guys agent Dosh, was he just, he just was like, he thought this was stupid. I could see it in his body
language. This was, you know, yeah, I got to do this. But I don't want to be doing this, right? Whereas agent noises was, he was into it. He was serious about it. Could you tell the amount of time that they had in the bureau or age General age? If one was younger than the other they were they were about the same age. I would say 40 years give or take a year or two. Okay, each side it's interesting.
A lot of the guys that I saw that we're getting closer to retirement and and I was not close to retirement but I felt the same way, you know, look down the barrel. These Stations and felt them to be ridiculous. And mostly because most of the charges were trespassing charges and parading and all this kind of nonsense. And that's not what the FBI does. It's just not what they do. So that's a really weird thing to spend your time doing. All right?
So one guy is not into it. One guy is dialed in. You are obviously someone who needs to be interrogated, not interviewed. And So, what had they lead off with the questions? Well, after we got past the antagonism of Of the my desire to record the session. It it went. As you might imagine, you know,
start your day. Why were you there that, you know, the typical questions like that and and then, of course, jumping head the, the primary theme or the primary thing that agent noise was trying to get me to cop to, was that I knew beyond any shadow of a doubt that I was in a restricted area. Which I refused to yield to Because by the time I arrived at the capital, there were no bit more barricades. There were no police lines. There were nothing until you got
to that. West Terrace battle line, there was not a single indication of any type at all, that you are in a restricted area. I arrived at as I said before, well my turned my camera on on the West Terrace battle line at exactly. 1918 the first thing that I captured were Protesters and police receiving first aid as a first thing that I
captured. So the battle had already been in joined at that point and as we know now, the battle began at 1252 when that first barricade was pushed over officer, Carolyn Edwards was pushed shoved over, hit her head on the back, the concrete step the protesters true First Blood, sorry to all my friends and followers out there that think that the cops did but no that's not what happened. Protesters drew first blood. Bud. And then, as we out, we know. Absolutely and conclusively.
Now, even on the very first police line that they formed at that semi-permanent, black fence that was there and set up for the inauguration protesters again, initiated the violence there. And it was only after that that then the cops begin to respond with the rubber bullets and and other types of less than lethal Munich Munitions. And so, what ended up happening Was they were trying to press me to get me to acknowledge that. I knew that I was in a restricted space and I would not yield.
And then when it came to the point where, okay, you're now filming the battle line. You now know that this is a restricted area that you eventually went through. I said yes, hope I said fully and which is why I never pressed the line. I mean, the only thing I ever pressed was play a record on my camera. You know, I never, I never did press the line. I never pressed against any law enforcement officer.
I never made any violent moves, or aggressive moves against Anybody the entire time and I said to them, I said and you've got me I know on a thousand other people's cameras. So the questions you're asking me right now, you already know the answers to and at that point one of them even said to me. Yes. And thank you for not doing any violence against law enforcement that day, that's on the record.
Assuming that doesn't get to lead it off the video if I ever need it. So they actually thanked me for not doing violence. And and so, but that you what that's a that's a really weird thing to assume that there was the possibility that you would. Well they certainly well. Okay you and I both know how many of these defendants have been overcharged. They've been charged with violence or at least aiding and abetting and violence.
When they were 100 feet away. I interviewed a guy this morning, that's exactly what happened to him, ten felony charges and he, he's the only case, I know of which one A320 appeal, from the DC, Appellate Court, who bitch slapped his judge and made them. Let him out of jail. After five and a half months, send him home. And then his final sentencing is final. What do you call it? When they redo the charges.
Ah, superseding charges. Yeah. Super strong indictment in felonies down to two misdemeanors, which is probably, I mean, this was Ben, what's that? That's where it should have been. If it was, here's the thing, you drop it down to that, you might as well drop the damn thing in federal. We just don't do that. That's just not the way to die. I mean, the guy was the guy was innocent because he was never more than 100 feet away from what he was being charged with. And and there's impossible.
It's impossible that the agents that that brought this to the whatever, our us attorney. They brought it to didn't know that. Sure. And so, what it, what was happening with me during this interview is, I was there specifically under the impression that they already knew everything that they needed to know. Anyway, the at the most videoed event in the history, A of the world that they already knew everything they needed to know, about me. They had done my research on my background.
I had 25 years worth of writings that they could extract and learn everything about my mindset and who I am. And they've already waived the ability to charge you with anything you say. So, it shouldn't even have mattered what you said at that point. Yeah. Are you familiar with the concept of parallel construction? Yeah. Was that something that you were aware of the time that that you know, I didn't never crossed my mind but I not know. Once but what?
But when they finally got to the point of me, entering the capital and they said, okay, well obviously you knew you were entering a restricted space at that point because you saw the battle line, you saw them defending the building and now you've gone in. You were violating the law at that point and you knew you were. I don't know, I wouldn't I leave a why I said I saw the stand-down order they like, they looked at each other. What are you talking about? I said there was a obvious Stand
Down order. And and what makes you think that? I said, well, the fact that I saw it with my own eyes, number one, I said this hundred or so officers that were on this line and this is exactly what I said. They didn't want to be there. They were getting the shit kicked out of them. Yeah, I watched it. I watched blood spill. I watched violent perpetrators attack these guys and and they were happy there what they had to say. Stand on that line for a solid
hour and take this abuse. And I told him, I said, hi, I actually said this. I said, I saw what I consider to be lethal force, you to get some of these officers. The fact they didn't pull their guns and unload is amazing to me. And they said what? And it's exactly what AIDS the the more antagonistic of the two agents said, he noise. He said, what were they supposed to just shoot them? And I said yeah, they were
throwing Spears at him. One guy got hit in the face and blood gushing out of his face so that it No, I said, yeah, I would have, you know, well, moreover that that actually fits the definition for federal law, enforcement's deadly, force policy, which is imminent danger of death or serious physical
injury. I'd say Thrones Spears or a large rock or any of these things have the potential of you know, when you see the antifa type throwing fireworks explode, and you can do real damage, you know, people have been in the serrated by those things if they hold onto them, they lose hands and things. So those are all, you know, those are all deadly force things.
And as you say, a lot of restraint on behalf of The Capitol Police on there who probably do them have the drink, they probably don't have the training for that kind of a riot. I'm just going, you know, that, you know, that I've developed quite a few Capitol police officers whistleblowers myself, okay.
And and that I'm in current contact contact with some that have come out some that if not and almost in every case I discuss use of force training that they've had and that we can get into that more later because there is quite a bit of difference between the I think that's I think that's really interesting. Only only because most people No idea what the standard is. No, they have no idea what the training is, and that's very, very relevant to.
That's why I mean it's why I'm DC Metro does riots and why federal troops do not federal officers, federal agents, do not do riots. It's not what we do. We offered on that and I've been a part of a lot of these things I used to go to the State of the Union. Every year I've been to, you know, the big Fourth of July parades the big rallies like there's a, there's actually a protocol to handle this kind of stuff, it turns out. And so, I'll be very interested to hear what your sources you've
cultivated inside. There have said But you marched in you saw Stand Down order, did you tell us what the stand-down order look like from your end? And why you interpreted that way? It was because it wasn't an obvious breach. It was there was a moment in time where Suddenly at a section and it wasn't it wasn't on the main. You know, that semicircle West Terrace battle line. That was held for about an hour and a half or more actually more than an hour and a half.
And it was it was the breach was not there or the stand-down wasn't there. Immediately, although I we going to love this is that during the oh Keepers trial, I signed the court protective order. Allowing me to listen to the capital police radio Transmissions. Okay, I've listened to all the channels. I've read the transcripts. I've had access. You know, that, that mythical 41,000 hours worth of video
tape. I've not seen it all because nobody know, the one human can, but I've seen a lot of it, I can't report on it, can't talk about it, except for that Those portions that have been released in trial, and as evidence. But the point being is that Sure. Enough there was a stand-down order there there and there it happened at the moment that I saw it with my own eyes and I didn't learn that, that, that was true until over a year.
After my, my FBI interview, and I was validated in what I saw with my own eyes. But that's can you say where that came from? Where that came from the radiant? You heard it over the radio? Is that yours? Okay. Heard it from the United States Capitol police, radio Transmissions. Okay, what kind of wording was it out of curiosity? If you're able to kind of roughly approximate the, the The Capitol Police office for lieutenant. Tariq Johnson familiar.
With was thankfully one? Where the, where the red Maga hat? Yep. Well, he's known for that, Infamous for that, disciplined by his own department, for that suspended for that. Here's your suspended. All right, there he is and I've been in contact with them we're going to have them on at some point to. So enjoy working out the time. He seems like a really nice guy. Yeah. So he was, he was the first guy that I worked closely with, and
throughout this entire process. Well, so that part is what he's known for. But more importantly, he was the hero of the day, which is why he was disciplined. He wasn't disciplined for the red Maca hat.
He was disciplined because he took initiative and did things actually, saying over the radio, I'll take the 550 in the 534 which were the disciplinary codes for the Capitol Police Department, as he began the process of initiating, the evacuation of the Senate chambers because as he had spent
several minutes ass. Asking for permission from assistant chief, Yogananda Pittman up in the command center and total silence total stonewalling, even with the operator, the dispatcher repeating his request for permission repeating. His request for direction for orders and he just said screw it, I'll do it myself and he's a lieutenant. So he's not like he's not like a guy who's on the street. He's not a private there or some
low-level, dude. I mean, he's one of the senior guys, on the Chain-of-command there for that moment, he wasn't command-level officer-in-charge that day of the Interior security of the building. So he said, I'm just going to
paraphrase that again. But he said, I'll take the disciplinary forms that are going to come up because obviously there's going to be some for him, usurping command, and I'm taking the call and I'm making the call that we have to stand down out of probably, I would say, officer safety considerations based on what you were sympathetic and I'm looking forward to ask him about that as well. But he said those things took it on his own and then did the right thing and step people back.
So that you could avoid having people hit in the face with a spear and not be able to shoot him. So he had he issued a it was a sequence of commands over Capital police radio. The first thing he did is he had the M4 officers withdraw and come inside the building, okay? You wanted every officer that was carrying an automatic rifle to get inside the building because he had determined that they could not risk. Those weapons falling into the hands of the protesters so everybody inside.
So he ordered That was his first pullback order was. He ordered him for Zen and then eventually there was an order for the entire force to come. And they did, they actually, or it was just before 2:00, they ordered the entire us, CP, Force to come into the building. They were going to leave Metro outside and they were going to come in to defend the capital because they felt like at that moment that the breach was imminent. And so he ordered them in now,
ironically. Most of them didn't respond, they couldn't hear the radios. Sure, the crowd noise outside was, you know, deafening with the singing, the chanting and all that. They other officers that I've interviewed even CDU units, a hard units that were on the front line of the Capitol Police that that are still with the force today. So they're Anonymous sources. But the point being is, is they told me flat out? No, we could, we couldn't hear our radios at also.
The when we got the withdrawal orders at the times, it came in and there was multiple Succession of them, we never heard them. That's why they stayed out on the line the entire time. And so what, what ended up happening though is that there was an obvious pull back up top.
So the guys that were away from the away from the crowd noise that were up top to finding the top of underneath the all the scaffolding, you know, where they had the tarps around the scaffolding that was being pulled off and there was a battle going on. That's where that's where it looked like. Like, you know, some medieval warfare types, shit? Yeah. Like people trying to get over a wall, right?
Right, right. And, and what ended up happening, is those guys up there, heard the stand-down order, they weren't, we're all the noise was right. That's exactly what they did. It wasn't a true stand down. It was a pullback order is what it was. And so all of a sudden In This Moment In Time there just was this free flow of humanity up those steps towards the
Northwest Senate side door. That was ultimately breached up there and when I got to the top and I started Wheeling my camera around up there, you see dozens of police officers just standing around. Some of them are on their phone. I assumed that they were texting their wife to and I'm okay. And in fact, a lot of that was happening. Sure, understandably. So, because their families were seeing it on television back home.
And they were just standing in groups, chatting talking on their phones, that sort of thing as people were just now. Say, I never saw the breach of that Northwest Door that was, well, ahead of before I got up there, hundreds of people had moved up there before I ever made it into that. You know, that pack of humanity that was going up. And so now, we're back to the FBI interview.
And so that's why I never yielded that well, then they said, well, then you entered a door, you obviously knew that was a restricted space. I said it's a guys. I've got it on my camera. Cops are standing around issuing. No orders. They're not, there's, there's nobody saying to this crowd. You can't go in there in any manner. Whatsoever said, they're standing around on their phones and chatting and groups, but, you know, balder.
Yeah. What do you know about the doors being opened or whether they were already? How do those things open up? Because we know they had mad Glocks. That's been a big thing of contention I believe. Yeah that that that door was allegedly the first door that was breached and and I have other information directly from the CP that, in fact, there was another breach before the before the one that the world knows
about okay. The one the official breach that happened at 2:13 when the first guy came through the window. So when it first couple guys came through the window, one of them went over to the door, he hit the door that then trigger gets got a MAG lock on it, but it triggers a 15-second delay. It sets off an alarm like a fire alarm and then 15 seconds later after depression. It then releases by.
And that's true of all the interior doors, just for crowd control, or for for, you know, fire code. I'm sure for emergent. It's actually in the DC fire code. That's, that's the way the doors there were checks out. I mean, you've seen the videos of it and it's like, yeah, that's probably makes sense to me that they would have to be able to open from the inside. I've never heard of any, there's no there's no conspiracy there.
Ya know, but nobody was secretly ordering, the magnetic locks to be Unleashed. Sure that mean that makes far more sense and it makes, you know, I always tell people that, you know, the truth is almost always something much more foolish and silly and probably some government process to cut. But in there, which is that you can't have interior doors lock, you can't lock people in the building, you have to let him
out. So, yeah, so we as famous CCTV of that breach, that happens that we seen it from the inside, we've seen it from some of the independent journalists that were there on the outside, capturing that it's that event. And of course, that's where the Q&A on Shaman came through. He was one of the first God, Probably first 20 people that came through the door, so he was closed. He didn't participate, but he was dang. Close to what was happening right there.
He certainly, he certainly witnessed the violent breaching of that window and doorway, but he did not participate himself. And as I said, I was several hundred people behind that, that, but I, but it was that door that I eventually walk through and, and then of course, the rest of the rest of the FBI interview proceeded, as you as you Might imagine it would. And we it was, as I said it, they weren't playing bad cop, you know, good cop kind of games on me.
Just one guy was much more serious. One guy was obviously didn't want to be there and and on occasion the other. The, the serious guy would get a little irritated with me as I would press and I would ask them questions as well. And then what ended up happening that one point I said, I said, look, guys, I said, do you just want me to tell you what I thought about what happened that day? And in the the irritated guy, he agent noise. He just goes. He throws his hands up. Yeah, go ahead.
He says you're gonna talk anyway. It says it's so weird that people have emotions about these kind of things. And I've done a fair number of interviews. I can never remember, like, carrying one way or another. Like, I want to talk to the person. I'm a human being, but the fact that he's emotionally invested, this is really strange to me. I think that's actually one of the more important details of what you're sharing is probably not. Do you think is the most important?
But to me, that's so strange. It's so strange that somebody like, what is his interest in it other than what you say like you just say what you say. That's all you do. Who cares? Oh, you know, there was no stereotypical G-Man Behavior out of him whatsoever, okay? So this guy emotionally agrees for you to say, whatever, you're going to say because you're going to do it anyway. So yeah, but what exactly is it? So what you give, go ahead.
So I told him my whole Theory because now I've had eight months to develop a theory, entire coil, as October's, I've had nine ten, Now to develop my theory about what happened today, so, I threw the whole thing out at him. I said, I said the entire operation was rope-a-dope. I'm saying I'm not saying that it was planned by any one, group
agency person whatsoever. I said, but whoever was up in the command center that day, whoever had eyeballs on the entire thing because there was, you know, 1200 cameras there and the command center has access to all of those. They knew what was going on. I had not even heard. The the radio Transmissions at this point I didn't I didn't get access those to those three. A year later. And but I know what I knew at the time and I know what I said
scene. And I said somebody allowed it to take place and as it goes said, I said it was a Rope, A Dope. They, it was like, let him in here. Okay. Oh, oh good, they don't have any guns, let him in here, let him in the next level. Let them battle there for an hour, okay? They don't have guns, let them in the door. And then the narrative was
captured and it was one. And it was the biggest political narrative, this Victory, I think, in our nation's history, I've exactly, you know, I'm a history buff, but I've gone back through my memories and my the reading that I've done the study that I've done. Certainly the largest political narrative victory in my lifetime, at least in the last hundred years. I can't think of one that was Smore. Only one that day and it was whether it was planned or allowed.
It was a resounding victory for that person. Nancy Pelosi who said and the one-year anniversary of the event at the commemorative events that she planned on the first anniversary. She said that the intention of these commemorative events were to establish and preserve The Narrative of January 6th, quote unquote. Out dead on. Google it. Yeah, that's really gross. Say, I want you to say it one more time. The your working Theory because I don't know that I've ever have.
You heard anyone else articulate it that way. No because I haven't either and I'm I'm not someone who was there. I was in d.c. area at the time. I was assigned to Washington field at the time but I got no I got no dog in the in the race and this one and I think it's a it's a very interesting way of explaining it. You think that they essentially Vetted the crowd at each of the stages. Let him Tire himself out. Rope-a-dope is a boxing term for people that that are not my.
I don't know what my listening audience look like it. You've never seen boxing you let somebody Tire themselves out by throwing punches and you think they let them Tire themselves out in tears and tiered stages as they let them slowly and as they were able to pull the protectees out, right? Because the we know the Senate was evacuated. We know the the Congress was backing it so they were all out. It's just a building at this point.
And you think they tired, himself out at each tier and vetted the basically the level of violence that the crowd wouldn't engage in until they eventually and pulled back to just more and more and eventually let him through the building. I absolutely, I am convinced that once that it was determined by the eyes in the sky that this crowd was not going to brandish firearms and their efforts that and that's why I've said from day one, I said it on the first
night I said, sticks. Flag poles and bear spray does not an Insurrection make. I agree with you and this was something else and again whether it was whether there were crowd control provoked, professional provocateurs, who manipulated movements that day or not. It was allowed to transpire, it was allowed to develop, it was allowed to take place.
And then once they realized that everybody was going to be okay, this is the word, you know, that we're going to let em in, although I did right in my second story, that came out, February 24th that I deemed the Capitol Police to be sacrificial pawns. That day that they were the front line. And if anybody was going to take that first volley of shots had those, you know, Bubba's The South has Maga guys come in with their concealed weapons.
That the capital police were there to take the first shots and the officer said, your you saying that they were willing to sacrifice our, the FBI you're telling me that they set this, those those guys up to be shot. I said, yes, absolutely.
What do you think the lieutenant Johnson have similar that he helped you kind of craft any that thoughts or the way that his experience kind of played out to that change or my I didn't meet off Sir, Johnson Tool over a year after my FBI interview, but he validated my theories. In fact, the very first personal meeting I had with him, sitting
at the table with him. I said these words, I said said to him, I said my second article seems Tarik because B EK, I said, TK my second article, I actually said that you guys from what I saw were sacrificial pawns that day and he leaned over and put his hand in my face and he said that's exactly right. They didn't give a shit. What Happened to us that day, right? Welcome quote. Are you familiar with the concept of a national special security event?
Have you ever heard of those in your kind of? No not not specific. Maybe I know the concept and don't know it by title. So they do this every year for the State of the Union, they do this every year for the big stuff, they've done it for some protests. There's actually a step down version of it.
That's a little bit more imminent where an event looks like it's going to go big but it's a it's a national coordination that happens from DHS from Secret Service is actually the primary agency because you chain of command.
You got a Name somebody. So they named secret service has responsibilities, and they coordinate FBI officer FBI, agents, and security assets, which are going to be in the building they coordinate Park. Police as you accurately mentioned earlier would be one of the people you'd see on the mall because they're responsible for the National Mall.
You'd see the helicopter up. You'd see the department of energy doing sweeps for dirty bombs and you see Capitol Police defending the capital, you know, setting up for physical security and you'd see DC Metro handling Riot and crowd control, and, and routes, really Ingress, and egress shutting off streets. Needed and everybody kind of goes through a Central Command Center every individual agency gets their own Command Center.
But the Secret Service holds a joint Command Center where all the leaders from all those, different entities, mentioned, and more are all together, and they quarterback, how to make
sure that things get done. So people can have their first amendment protected activities, whatever they are without violence without danger without terrorist activities and so on and and the FBI's job is usually in a low visibility or undercover type role walking around and kind of Confronting people that are pushing the envelope to keep things under control. We do it every year for for all the inaugurations, like I said, state of the unions and some
other big events as well. And for whatever reason, the January 6 2021 was not an nsse nor was it one of the other sort of step down tears, which are just other special security events where this kind of coordination would happen. When I talked to TK for just a brief minute, he said we were on
a skeleton crew that day. Yeah and and it sounds like did you witness like they had Officers even handle the lines they were on or was this you call them sacrificial Lambs that so that doesn't sound like something that goes back to my very first story because I as I said, my first story was just what I saw. And one of the things that I did not see that day was adequate police protection, and it made
no sense to me whatsoever. It was one of the most Stark things that I remembered and then of course as I didn't went back through so many many different times over my videos and I'm looking for evidence of police presence, even all the way back to the Washington Monument and then the the Fire walk back towards the capitol. It just didn't exist and that made no sense to me. And then, when I get to the capital, I actually, this is exactly what I said.
I wrote this. I said, I personally, estimated less than 200 Capital. Nadia, I wasn't adding Metro in, but II, just amazed that there were less than 200 available Capital police officers during the heat of the, you know, the the shitstorm that was going on in the wetsuit West Side there. Yeah, the Frat. And so and but see in that
estimate, that's not what I saw. I then just doubled it because I didn't know what was going on on the east side and I said, okay, you know, that they would probably have equal distribution of forces on both sides. So because I saw less than 100 US Capitol Police on that side. And then in my first interview with TK, he told me, he said, when he got to work, he felt like that. The number that were actually available to him, was about 120 officers.
Now this Was on a day in a circumstance when, under normal circumstances, either by the description you gave a while ago, that they would have been all hands on deck. Yeah. And that's how those things work, right? So they canceled leave as you can imagine. They put everybody that's on a specialty team on standby during the Fourth of July parades,
you'll find this kind of funny. I probably they actually take the FBI's evidence dive team and they put them on their boats and they run up and down the Potomac and they look underneath all the bridges which you know there's Bridges going. To d.c. Irv on certain areas. So they run up and down to do that and you know the Coast Guard's up there doing their thing.
Like everybody is involved and if you're not involved you're in a standby posture to run down actual threats and leads as needed because just because you have a security person, you know, posture doesn't mean that you don't have investigations have to follow on. So the investigators are actually standing by as well. This is standard. And I've seen that for the beginning.
I've always thought that was the strangest thing that they didn't do that to us. Because I would have been assigned to a A standby investigative role if that had happened and it didn't happen. Yeah, well, I've done three parts of my Capital police series. Now, part 1, 2 & 3 are dealing with a lot of what we talk about when I reference the Capitol Police, and especially a lot of that is based on the corroborative interviews.
I've done from TK and then the other unnamed sources that I've developed inside the Capitol Police Force. But the most Stark and obvious problem of the day, which takes us. Now, we have to shift back more towards the conspiratorial side rather than this was always going to happen. So we might as well do it.
We don't, we don't have any choice, but to examine the fact and this is a fact, not only were they under deployed that day purposefully, so by my estimation and by all evidence as it presents itself, but the fact that the capital police themselves had issued, 88 demonstration protest event permits on the grounds that day and they were yet not properly prepared. That's first clue, second, clue that there was something else up. Something else going down? Was that the officers?
As who had they have testified, in the various trials, have said we showed up for work that day thinking, it was just another day at the office. Yeah, officers who testified in these major trials have On the stand. No, we had. No, we were not. We're not briefed at all on protest events on the capital ons, comma, Capital Lon our grounds. We were not brief that. There was going to be a stage that there was going to be Congress members.
Speaking on the capitol grounds that afternoon, never briefed in their morning, roll call briefings of that one officer. I remember his name, Brian sarki.
He was on the east side, he valiantly bravely heroically took and stood at that door and took a beating and just mercilessly sprayed by all types of OC sprays and chemicals for about an hour and never left his post, where other guys were running away, he stood and took the whole on slide himself and he testified in the first oathkeepers trial and they under cross-examination, they asked him what he knew what was going
on in d.c. that day. He said, the only thing I knew is that something was happening The White House. How's that for? That's that Kyle. That's not an intelligence failure. No, I agree with you. Yeah. And and, and just a few 8 permit. Exactly. That's, that's the big difference. Yeah, there's a Miss, then, you got a staff for eight events that are happening simultaneously and you got to put people out for that.
So that's always been one of the things that's been confused at the more I learned about the fact that that was going on. There's just obvious questions you have when you're involved in that type of work. It's like okay. Well how many people you're expecting at the event? That's the next question. And and then, what is the security posture look like? And how far from the building is going to be or what? You know, that's what physical
security does. And Capitol Police is actually pretty good at doing physical security. I don't know that they're a great investigative Force. I have no idea whether they're a good, you know, principal protection Force. That's not, that's not their
thing. They do physical security for a building and they do it well, because I stayed up and, you know, and I'm never, I never say this derogatorily when I say this, but even if it doesn't matter if you're a hard that guy, if you're an investigative guy, if you're a special agent of the United States Capitol Police, Ninety-nine percent of their career time on duty as a glorified tour guide. Now, or security guard, just standing still.
I mean, I'm mostly just it's not, it's not the most violent place in Washington and that's why that's why the posture was totally different from MPD. When they showed up, when they showed up, they were ready to bust heads. Because that's what we do, that is what they do. And they're really good at it. By the way, I mean, I've seen him on two different inaugurations handle business. They're not my favorite police force, not by a long shot.
I think that they hire people with felonies, which is really bizarre. Do most people, you know, they have a serious corruption issue, and they've got a serious Force
issue. But that's not to say that there are not some really, really Valiant people that stay on the front lines and take a beating and and deliver a beating and stop people from from infringing on other people's rights, which is what they do. They're very good at it, they're very good at crowd control and they're highly affected their trained all the time because they get used all the time. They've got a lot of experience in that. So that's, that's interesting to me, all right.
How many theories do you have on? What do you think, went down? If we're going to get because we will step in a conspiracy a little bit. We could just say this is specular from here on out and I think that's very respectable and there's no reason I don't have a Smoking Gun yet more importantly though because we haven't been given access to as a public. And I think I heard you saying this on either your podcast or of this might have been on. You said on Tucker.
Maybe both you said that, you believe these foot this footage should be released the American people because it's paid for by the American people. I feel the same way. This is America's information. I feel the same way about information about the FBI, by the way, it's like radical transparency in sunlight will disinfect all the ill and we can clean it up from there. But only, if we all know the facts and we can all agree on like this is what happened.
This is why. So in the absence of that, which we are in the absence of maybe top to top three, kind of theories on what you think happened in reverse order, what's the least likely thing that happened kind of moving towards what you think the most likely and you can be as vague or broad as you like or specific.
If you have really Lee concrete ideas because you've seen other than I have, I think the least likely thing is that there was some coordination between a disparate group of entities, you know, about a group of three percent etre. Three percenters working with antibody working with the feds working with the, you know, whoever else to create these little pockets and scenarios of crowd militant manipulation and control. And and as I'm sure you're aware
are aware those. Types of things happen, and they are as old as Warfare itself. You can move crowds with just a few violent people. And you can, you can inflict. Well, you can start wars at last four years with just a handful of people, and you can certainly move crowds on site, where one is a pretty good example of turns out. So yeah, I agree with you. What's that? I said, World War one is a great example that just one guy and one guy and you got a whole world at war.
So, okay. So least likely is mass cooperation by a bunch of different disparate entities. Getting involved. I think that's probably Fair. What about sort of mid-level mid-level would be and I am very open to this mid-level idea is that because of what I know about the lack of until preparation and sharing of what was known by the FBI that day and what was known by other groups that day and of what was deliberately.
And I sit when I say this, I say, was deliberately not shared with the The Frontline uniformed, officers of the United States Capitol Police that day. And I have this direct testimony from their mouth to my ears and of not only what was not shared with them. But what was then hidden after the fact And because I know that I'm open to this mid-level idea that somebody up the chain. Worked with the Capitol Police. Specifically are Okay, you want me to just say I'll do you like way up?
Yeah. You want me to just say I want you to see this is opinion. So you can say any pinion you have and I am very strong believer in the First Amendment. So if yeah you got I just want you to lose your G-Man position and throw throw up your hands, I can't do. It does not my thing, but yeah, but but I think there's a, there's some wild conspiracies, and then there's some like pretty grounded conspiracies that make a lot more sense.
So, you know, you're in the middle level right now, I believe that assistant, chief Chief. Yogananda Pittman, who was head of a capital police intelligence? Yeah, who is sitting in the chair in the control room that day? Had somebody above her directing her to allow what took place that day to go forward as it developed. As I said, the rope-a-dope operation, I believe that it was a Complicit. Plan between her and somebody
above her. That in case this developed in that way and we're going to set it up this way so that we're not properly staffed knowing that thousands of people were going to be moving towards the capitol that day. And just in case it does get out of hand. Let's call Fort Belvoir. And have them there. Let's have US, Marshals embedded. Let's have some other agencies embedded in the crowd, contingency plans, various things, not to be provocateurs
themselves. But just in case it gets out of hand will have people in the crowd to take care of business, okay? And I think that, that is what happened that day. So of that of, that sort of analysis, the only really nefarious part of that is the poor Staffing on intentionally because everything else would sort of fall in line if you didn't have enough people. And you let's say, we didn't know that. That was the case. It just happened. That the event happened. Organically, nobody could.
Predicted this number of the people in the crowd, we're just gonna have to, you know, eliminate the fact that we know that that wasn't the case because of all the permits. But if that was the case and you had a massive crowd that you weren't prepared for the rope-a-dope is a really smart move tactically. You're going to wear them out, you're going to vet them as they come in, you're going to move them in closer and closer and eventually going to get what
they want. Once you've protected, the things you're responsible for protecting, so that's actually not a bad, you know, in the field tactical level awareness but on a strategic level, it's much more nefarious when you talk about setting those people up. For that failure because your Frontline officers are going to do the best they can. Your intermediate supervisors liked, Eric are going to have to do what they've got to do, which is to keep protect officer safety and also the assets that
they're sworn to protect. So that's not a bad move like they're doing the best thing as possible and really that comes down to a very, very nasty potential nefarious action. The the real malfeasance is setting that failure up. The inevitable failure up which I think is what a lot of people are landing on right now. I think that To pick it up. It's a tight analysis of it, but so many people are coming to it. It's like where did it fail? Your happen. The failure happened in Staffing.
And so, then the question becomes was, it was it malfeasant comforter for incompetence, right, correct. Right. And that's that's, and here's the thing, either way, that is, that is a absolutely destructive thing. That should be enough to end a career. And not get you put in charge of the Berkeley Police Department at a triple salary. Bingo, that here. That's when you get the next level, right? I always default towards government. Incompetence first before I go,
before I put on my tinfoil hat. Yep, because that's always the most likely scenario. It's still. Here's the other thing, though. Even in your analysis though, that could still be the possibility because whether you set it up on purpose to be incompetent, or you or, you know, to have this sort of malfeasance or whether you were incompetent, the way it played out, played really nicely into one set of hands and rewarding people for something that worked
out in their favor. Just a dumb luck is still well within the Playbook of all, government entities, and especially corrupt ones. It's like, well, now you got to keep your mouth shut and you're never going to identify what happened, because we have a narrative, we're going to keep it and you're going to get paid off to do it and house triple.
Your salary sound at this is cush gig in Berkeley where you've never lived, and you have no connection to accept that, it's just outside of Nancy Pelosi, except that it's just outside. The former speaker space, it turns out. So those kind of things These are very those are very suspect and they lead people in the absence of any overwhelming evidence to the contrary, which the government may have in could provide to us as speculators at this point. They could debunk this in a
second. If there was a way to debunk it. But they also confirmed it really, really, really tangibly. If they released everything as well. It's a possibility. So they could debunk it by releasing the morning briefings that morning, but I have testimony myself through interviews off the Record.
A name Source, hard unit is morning briefing that morning for the first time in his entire career as a capital police officer, they were not given given printed copies of their morning briefing and they were told by the captain who gave them the briefing. I know who's the captain is that the reason they were not going to be handed printed copies.
Now by the way, these are very very Detailed briefings are they can be 12 20 25 pages long especially on a big day like that and and the printed copy would go to either a lieutenant or someone just below that like like a high-level sergeant if they don't know, they are going to organize but that person would be able to deploy forces because that's their job. They've got 15 or 20 or whatever direct reports and everybody's
got a gig at a certain time. Okay but you're not going to get printed copies today because we have to our information today is to sin. Adjective. So all the guys are like, okay, so they get their morning briefing. When the briefing was over, they all looked at each other again and went What the hell is that all about, right? Because we're was the sensitive information. It was no sensitive information,
just another day at the office. So then when they were required to file their app after-action reports. This particular offer officer goes to his sergeant and says I need a copy of the briefing, the reference for my after-action report and he said they've they've been deleted and he went What he said? Yeah. Captain blah blah blah deleted. The reports from the hard drive. Why would you do that? I don't know.
Just what he told me. It's just what he told me that this is, this is coming directly from and confirmed by other officers on that, in that unit, or that group. Then we finally see the actual printed 16-page CDU briefing. It's now available. I have it. I have a copy of it. I sent the copy that I have over to This Heart Unit individual, who got the breeding The Briefing, which was put up on the screen behind them and he
said that's not the briefing. We received The Briefing that they show to the public identifies, all these secondary stages, and all the stuff that was happening on the grounds that day that comport with the eight permits, that have been issued. That's the briefing that has been made public and it's dated January 3rd. The officers, I've talked to said, that's not the briefing, we received and we believe that that was created after the fact.
Yes. I mean there's really only two possibilities and you're laying out one of them, which is that it was done after the fact or that these guys are mistaken and this was the briefing and they blew it. And you don't have any communicated by multiple sources and you have cooperating sources that that say otherwise yeah and how comfortable hand. So, when we do intelligence, when we do intelligence, we always analyze the the
capability of the source, right? And they'll say, I assessed with low medium or high confidence that this information is accurate. If you To assign a low medium or high confidence to the fact that your sources were giving you good information? Where would you what would you call it? Oh, I would call it very high because what I heard in the courtroom under oath other officers just as ignorant to the happenings that day.
As these guys were, if these guys were, the CD units were given detailed, Morning briefings on what was happening that day on the capitol grounds? And then another officer who was just guarding the East door knew nothing, then you'd go. Okay, well that doesn't make any sense. But what happened was, is the guys in the CD units. Edu unit are saying there was nothing special given to us about that day. That's not the briefing that we
got. And that again, is an alignment with what we heard in testimony and trial that they didn't know. And And not just from the capitol police officers himself. But so many others including the event, planner the event planner himself, who was responsible for that? You know, setting up the stage. This guy this guy has for years. Been doing very large events events from 5,000 people to a half, a quarter of a million people.
He's been the event planner for those events and he was, he was secured to hired to secure the permits from the Capitol Police, for this particular event because that's his specialty. He was secured to bring in the the staging, The Sounds coordinating, the scheduling of the speakers including Congress members, all of the above. So this guy in his own
testimony. He said when the truck started arriving with the staging and with the gear at 9:00 in the morning, he said that was this is testimony in trial. He said the most unusual thing that he saw he said, by that time on a day like that with as many people as we were anticipating, he said I would not only have seen five six, seven times, a number of officers, Site. He said, I would have seen it at least two or three different tactical units in the area as well.
And he said there was none and maybe a half a dozen officers Milling around in the area. He said that was the first most Stark difference at the start of his day as an event planner that he experienced on. January 6th again completely making the testimonies of these officers highly you know believable. Yeah I think I agree with you.
I so I don't know if you don't have been told us to Whole bunch of people but I was out doing training with a bunch of tactical units from different Maryland. Police units, including some of the guys from the Maryland State Police emergency services. You know, I think it CSU or something to that effect, Emergency Services Division, and they all got paged out, you know, in the afternoon, when I just went sideways, they were not on standby. We were doing, we're doing training.
We were out on a shooting range. We were doing flat range, training and these guys were looking around going, what in the world? Just happened in the capital and then we turned on, you know, some news feeds and salt. Some of them, what had happened and it's like, okay, there's a guy with a Viking helmet, and he's sitting in the speaker's chair, something went sideways and so they're like, we got to do Mutual Aid. So we have to respond to this
but they were on standby. And and generally speaking as we talked about earlier, I think you would expect that some of these units would be ready because they do have agreements with places. Like DC, especially in large crowd, control environments, they have authorities to come in and help out or their own backup.
So they'll be sitting on a bag somewhere, they hang out with your gear and get ready to go and they're all tacked up and chopped up and they sit around and mostly they just get stood back down and they go back to their life, but they had totally different plans, including the commander of that unit. By the way, that was one of the guys I was shooting with. So the commander of the Maryland State Police Tactical Unit was just hanging out with me. We're having a good old time.
We were talking about guns, you know, we're talking about competitive shooting and all the things you would do and then we look around halfway into the afternoon and his leg up, and then Tom had to leave. And that was the last time I got to see him because, you know, we had a short friendship because January 6 events which which put them into action, right? I do agree with you that that makes it much more credible. I think. I appreciate you.
Kind of like flushing it out. I think people need to hear the reasons why certain things are credible. Sometimes it needs to be spoon-fed and especially in
something. So contentious as this there are, you know, we have to draw the lines between all the data points and I think that's their, one of the things that has kind of brought you into a more of a national Spotlight, or had you go and sit on, on a fox program, was a concern that you think that the FBI made, Be turning around and going after people like you and independent journalists who are disrupting The Narrative and people like Tucker Carlson as well.
Who are releasing things that are contrary to what we've been hearing about for two years? Even though I think a lot of folks understand that the narrative was always was very manufactured. Like there was they was contrary evidence right away and what the reason was was not really a parent, like did they open it to the cops? Open the doors to the cops? Just let the doors. Be opened where the doors breached thrown open.
In the cops were told to stand down like they're, you know, A lot of different possibilities and you've kind of alighted on one of them. But why do you think there's a new focus on like why would the FBI focus on you? Now with the fact that some of the stuff is big in National and there's nothing they can do to control it? I don't think you think there's something they could do like by resting. You would date, would they
change that game? Well, first of all, I was told after my FBI interview at the conclusion of that interview that just and this is them speaking even the the rough guy, you know, everybody's were smiling and we ended it on some joviality and we've had some laughs and And so, we're all kind of standing around the table at this point and, you know, poking fun at one another, for different things, that sort of thing. Sure. And it's just, just, just so, you know, mr.
Baker, that you know, it's not in our hands at all. We're going to, you know, submit the report the video, the audio transcript. Something made by the Department of Justice. If they decide to move against you, here's what's going to happen. There's going to because of your cooperation, you're not going to be arrested, there's not going to be any purpose. Walk you'll your attorney will get a call. We'll set up a mutually agreeable time.
They knew about my career as a musician and that I have, you know, I have shows and because I still do, I still play? Sure and in fact I got a show tomorrow and and so they said we'll work with you around your schedule and you'll come in submit yourself to the to the marshals and then they'll process you and you'll be released on your own recognizance that sort of thing they said. So that's that's how it's going to go.
And they said and by the way it If there are any charges filed, they'll be misdemeanor charges, that that's it. You know, that's been. So that's how we left the day. Another month passes and you get the, you get the, you see that you see the caller ID on your phone, that you don't ever want to see. And it's my attorney and I'm like crap and sure enough he says, hey Steve I got some bad news for you. He said I just got an email from the assistant us attorney out of the Philadelphia office.
Her name is Anita Eve and they are going to go ahead and file charges against you and he said, That's the bad news he said but the worst news is there wasn't a good news. He said the worst news is that they're charging you with Interstate racketeering, oh good. And I went What? and he said, yeah, he said when I saw it, And I went straight and looked up the code and sure
enough. And I'm like, send that to me, send it to me. He emailed it over to me and it's a felony 20 years, you know, and prison. And I said his name is Matt Hazmat. What, what is this? So there was not only the racketeering charge but also there were hitting me with A damaged which I did none of whatsoever. So you'll like this going back to the interview. Now, at one point, I'm describing to them how that in each section of the capital, when I would, how I would get up
and away. Oh, you got up ahead, you doing so what like, you know, one of the rooms, whatever it was, I said, you know, I got it. I stood up on a bench so I could get above the crowd and film. What they were doing and agent noise, the guy goes because you stood on the bench. I said, yeah. He reached out and starts writing on his Pad but I kind of like Welsh an unusual response to me standing on a bench, pretty innocuous statement.
Yeah. Guess what under the criminal code standing on a bench in federal property of any kind? Any place, anywhere is a federal crime. It's private is actually in the property, damaged section of the
code. So they were going to charge me with property damage and Interstate racketeering in the only thing that we could surmise or only thing that we could come up with is that also in the FBI interview, they were really inquisitive about how much money I had made off of my videos and from licensing because I had an agent and I licensed at through that agency and it my videos ended up in the HBO documentary The New York Times documentary and new Services all over the
world, use my some of my video clips. And so, I mean, it, to be honest with you, thus, the the standard rate on these kinds of things is very, very low, you'd be surprised how low it is. I probably had not pocketed more than 15-hundred dollars total in the eight months since the event at that 810 months before my interview. And so I told them that they wrote that down but they were still very inquisitive. They really wanted to know.
They started asking me questions about my finances and this was the only this was the only time in the to our Interview that I looked over at my attorney. I go I don't have to answer that. Do I know he goes no I said okay, so the stop. The money questions has nothing to do with January 6th. They were okay, okay.
And and so essentially the interstate racketeering charge the best, we can figure out was the fact that they were going to make the claim that I knew that there was an illegal event, that was going to take place that day and I traveled across state lines, specifically for the purpose of profiting, from an illegal event. That's a hell of a claim.
Hell of a claim. Yeah, well So so he receives this notice of the impending charges against me and this is an exact quote from the email from assistant us attorney Anita Eve. She said your client will be charged within the week. That was November seventeenth, twenty twenty one week before Thanksgiving And being the kind of guy I am, I wasn't going to take that sitting down, I sat down and drafted out a press release. Ran it by my attorney and another writer friend of mine.
Cleaned it up. We send it out to about 200 news Services. The next, on Monday morning, at 9:00 in the morning at 1:15. On Monday afternoon, my attorney gets another email from assistant, us attorney an ed with a copy of the press release. Hmm. Guess who's monitoring my communications? Yeah, sure. She has it. She sends my attorney a copy of the press release says we're not happy about this.
Well, I'm very lucky in that I have my Raleigh attorney as a flaming libertarian himself and he responded exactly in the manner that I would hope and expect from him. He says he said, you are not expecting that my client at, first of all, he says, you've seen who he is, because I'm pretty aggressive. And she goes, you know, he's not going to shut up. And he says, are you expecting that? My attorney, my client is going to forego his first amendment rights to tell the world about
his impending purse. Fusion from the Department of Justice and she wrote back and said oh no no no that's not what I'm implying at all I'm just letting you know that the judge
whoever handles his case. May not look at this very favorably to which I responded to my attorney said as if she cares how the judge is going to respond to my actions, my journalistic activities and responding to this threat and Very, very fortunate in that because of that press release Wheels started turning very quickly because we were going on and we were going on the offense is essentially what we were
doing against the threat. Yes, it was a media offensive against the threat, but other things happen in the process, I By Tuesday Morning of Thanksgiving week, I was starting to get the calls from various agencies. Want to know, smaller, smaller entities in the press. That were wanting to talk to me newspapers podcasters radio shows that sort of thing and, but additionally, I got a call from you. I think, you know, Mike Waller, right? I do know my quality.
Yes. So Mike and I we had cross-pollinated because our original January 6, stories, I think his came out on January 12th man. Came out on January. Paint and we became Mutual admirers admirers of one another. Because we saw the same thing, he's pretty sharp. Yep. Yeah. We saw exactly the same thing in that craft and our stories were so up closely almost identical that we became friends.
As a result of that, I sent him a copy of the press release, he had me on the phone that night with Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin know when Senator Johnson did not have to talk to me. I don't live in his state. I'm not one of if his constituents I can never vote for him and that guy, Told Mike Waller to give me his personal cell, phone number at 9:15 on Tuesday night, Thanksgiving week. I called the said he answers the
phone I said, is this hello? This is a senator Johnson, he goes, it's Ron. So this is Steve Baker.
I was giving your number to call you and I said, well and I started explaining what was going on and I kept calling him Senator Johnson. He goes it's Ron I said, okay, I'll give in Senator Ron and and And he was, he said, all right, he said I'm going to have, I'm going to have my investigators call you because he was on the, you know, the the minority team obviously in the Senate but he was he was the minority leader on the house investigative committee for January 6th, I'm
sorry the Senate investigating committee, right? And he said, I'll have my, my investigators get in touch with you shortly and you can tell us your story and that happened. And so I suddenly had a Senator in my corner, like, Waller in my corner, we had the Press offensive going on. And then, on Wednesday morning, I got a call from, who would eventually become my DC attorney? And he is 22 years, former Federal prosecutor And happened to work in the same office with a USA.
Anita e for 12 years. Oh wow. She's someone whose name is public. Are we keeping him out of this? Yeah, it's Brad. Geyer he was also can Harrelson's attorney in The Oath Keepers trial. Okay. The first Keepers trial, he's represented some other January 6 clients as well. And do you know why?
So I'm going to pause you for one second, you have an instinct of what kind of Bravery it takes, for an attorney to jump into this Fray because I have a little bit of a I was asking for some help when I was going through my whistleblower stuff and they were telling me they were basically having to say no over and over again to j6 defendants because they were all mostly impoverished. Mostly had made bad decisions and then Partners were voting against even in conservative law
firms. They didn't want to touch this nuclear reactive toxic football. That was January 6, and I imagine you probably experienced some of that as well. Well, you and I know. That we're running up against this in our own efforts to bring to light, the Abomination.
That is the Department of Justice right now and even though we have Allegedly friendly forces on our side in the House of Representatives, whether it's the so-called weaponization committee, whether it's the house oversight, Committee of the house administration, those three main committees which should be on our team and should be helping us with our investigations and our efforts to bring these abuses to light you. And I both know that they also
are reacting to the toxicity. That is January 6 and we're not getting the support you need. You're attributing. The possible sort of negative Fallout of picking a side and and maybe even just saying that the truth is the side is too much for these committees. Is that more or less. What you're saying, I'm saying that they don't want to touch it, they don't want to get within, you know, thousand feet of it. I have come, I have come to the
conclusion that it's again. You either you either when you're, when you're talking about politics, it's not necessarily an issue of malfeasance. Has incompetence but either they are themselves part of the system. That they're seeking to maintain. That would be the conspiratorial side. Yep. Or because it's politics. Polling is more.
Important than principle and they have internal polling from their voters and their constituencies that were tired of this January 6 crap and they just want it to go away and just so let all these cases run their course. Let the da doj run roughshod over this next thousand people to be arrested. Let it happen. And one day it will be over within the quieter. We are about at the less likely we are to do damage to ourselves in the next election cycle. That's I think is happening
right now. But the problem Kyle is it that they don't understand? Is that January 6th? January 6 is not about what happened on January 6th, it's just not, the problem is, is that the Department of Justice
is? In fact, the heart, the soul, the core of the Death Star that is attacking our civil liberties or civil, or civil liberties, the Constitution and The the basic rights of Americans and January 6th is just right now the experimental playground where they're discovering they get to run roughshod with no rules and they press it in every single trial. In every single case, with every single defendant, they are making and setting precedent.
Now that we can do whatever we want to Bill of Rights, be damned and they're getting by with it. It's interesting that you call it the Death Star. That's that's something that we refer to main justice as when you work inside the FBI doj sometimes I call the Hoover building the same thing. They asked me to go do an interview there and I said, I have no interest in you know going to the death star. That doesn't sound like a thing.
I want to do. They didn't like it when I said that, but I don't really care and I recorded it anyway. I've called January 6, the American Rorschach test. What do you think about that as an image? Thanks for listening to the Kyle Serafin, show be sure to follow him on Twitter and true. Ruth at Kyle's seraphin. Ruth at Kyle's seraphin.