Steve Baker - The Method | EP 318

Take a look behind the curtain with the real whistleblower, an American patriot. Prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for comforting lies. Here is civil liberties enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI agent Kyle Serif. Well, hello, my friends, welcome

to the Kyle Serif show. Today is Thursday, it is May the 30th, and we have a fantastic show lined up for you with my dear friend, investigative reporter suspendable buddy Steve Baker. He's going to be joining us today and talking to us about the method. I proposed that we talk about this the other day and he was amenable to it. So he's been doing some background research. You guys will get a little kick out of some of the stuff I'm digging deep into my Weird

archives. I actually thought that I was going to be a film student at some point in my life and I watched a bunch of Weird kind of off brand movies that many of you will not remember from the 80s and 90s. It was something I like to dig into with the people and one of my best friends became a a screenwriter. So that was kind of my formation in weird Hollywood stuff. I think Steve will get a big kick out of this.

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We'll come back to some other sponsors a little bit later. Let's get right to it with my buddy and suspendable and investigative journalist. There he is, Steve Baker. We're on kind of a sketchy hotel Wi-Fi connection today, aren't we? Yeah, man, I I am in full hotel room glory. In fact, I've you know, I've got my hotel room of. Course it started sketching out soon. As you can get that over to me, that'll be great. Yeah, we'll work on giving you something to carry around with you.

You just need one more. The only thing that's that's key when you're carrying your own Tumblr through any. Well, you don't do a lot of airports, do you? You do mostly driving. Nope. Yeah, I'm. I'm not a flying kind of guy. Not anymore. So there you go. So you, yeah, when you're, when you're dealing with it on a, when you're dealing with it through the airport, you got to make sure you always dump it out before you get there.

Otherwise they yell at you for having coffee because that's, that's, that's how freedom is done today. We're going to talk a little bit today about the method. I gave you some background and some homework. You did a little bit of watching of some of this stuff. Let me see if you can articulate who is the number one detective in the world, real or imagined. Oh wow. The greatest detective in history. I mean, it's got to be Sherlock Holmes.

It's got to be Sherlock Holmes survey says Sherlock Holmes. Who else could be the number one other than Sherlock? He's the most famous detective of all time. Coming from what? Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's 1887 original novel. So you nailed that one and all great detective stories since that time have kind of gone and appealed to be Sherlock Holmes type characters. And that's what the method comes from.

Can I play this video clip? And we're going to get people warmed up about what we're going to be talking about. All right? This comes from a 1998 film called 0 Effect that none of you have seen or very few of you have seen. It stars Bill Pullman and Ben Stiller. It's got an All Star cast. It's very, very good. It's super weird. And here is the method as described by Bill Pullman. I begin my examination of the method.

I always say that the essence of my work relies fundamentally on two basic principles, objectivity and observation, or the two OPS as I call them. My work relies on my ability to remain absolutely, purely objective, detached. I have mastered the fine art of detachment, and while it comes at some cost, the supreme objectivity is what makes me, I dare say, the greatest observer the world has ever known. Are you possibly related to Bill Pullman?

I saw some similarities in the facial structure there with that hair like that, we said. Yeah, maybe a little bit. What? What do you think about the two Obs objectivity? What's the other one? He said. Observation being detached. Let's let's talk about that when we talk about looking for truth. I think the 1st and the most important thing is, is you just have to not give a shit. You have to not care.

I mean, that's, and really that's, that's the nature of I think any good investigative agent, detective, reporter, whatever is you, you cannot have an aversion to where the lead might take you. You can't be the journey is going to take you where you don't want to be because it doesn't meet your world view, the your presuppositions, your, your predispositions toward whatever the conclusion might be, because we all have those. I mean, it doesn't matter what I

go into. I kind of, you know what we're, we're we, we have our inherent biases. And no matter what I'm going into, I don't necessarily have a hoped for conclusion to the journey, to the investigative journey process, but I do have a presupposition of where it might take me. But what has to happen is along that path, that objectivity, the other OB during those observations, as we're working through it, I have to be able to go, OK, this is not taking me where I want to go, but this is

where we're going. This is the, the core of the scientific method as well, is that you find a hypothesis and then you set up experiments attempting to disprove the hypothesis. And if you're unable to do so, then you keep that hypothesis and you continue to sort of investigate it further, but you kind of move it into a more, you know, special place because it is now a tested hypothesis. I, I like not giving a damn. I like the idea that you must

sort of be aloof, detached. There's an anti social character. And interestingly enough, Sherlock Holmes is like either autistic or socially retarded or call it whatever you want. He's that guy that just says things that upset people. And all the great detectives have kind of been that person. They nobody likes them because they find out inconvenient truth. It's sort of the nature of of doing that work.

Yeah. Yeah, and, and my second favorite behind, I wouldn't call him the greatest detective or even the second greatest detective of all time, but my second favorite would be Colombo for the very same reason that you, you know, obviously he's on the spectrum. There's something wrong with him, but he can't let go of the bone once he's got hold of it. And that's that's the thing that makes people mad and scares them. It's like I thought I had him at Bay.

I thought I had pushed him away from me. I thought I had gotten him off of my scent. But Nope, he's back again. He's back at the door again. Where does that instinct to to hold on to that bone and and keep digging? Where does that come from? You you think what? What sort of character trait is that? Well, if we're not if we're not talking about, you know, the, the people that are special be be they Asperger's, autism, somewhere on the spectrum.

If we're not talking about those people, I, I, I mean, only thing I can tell you is just from experience that once, once I get a hold of something that I am doggedly in pursuit of and I've got that bone it, it for me. I do want to be right. You know, I, I, I, I want to get it right no matter where it takes me. And I want to have the exact. This hotel Wi-Fi is not my favorite. We're going to have to find. You know, testimonies, whatever the case may be, I desperately want it to be right.

And that's that's what, you know, drives me. Is this what Ben Shapiro calls facts over feelings? Yeah, I mean, that's a, that's a absolute fair, you know, observation and, and really that's what you and I had decided to talk about was there, there's this conflict that we have today, particularly in in journalism and and politics, journalism and politics is that there is this notion of feelings trump everything. Feelings trump the method. Feelings are more important than being right.

And you know, some of us have had to deal with that in the last week. Let's talk about that in one second. Let's put one pin in the the last week I want to open up just a slightly larger thought about it all. Which is to say, so many people now I have, have crossed those streams of politics and journalism to the point where they are activists not for truth specifically for its own sake, but they are activists for

outcomes. They are looking to sway the needle of public opinion and and that means that inconvenient fact has to be discarded and anybody who is going to be sort of purveying them is looked at as an enemy. That's what's going on at The Blaze for you guys right now. Looks like people are taking shots at you. I've seen people say that you're aligned with DeSantis.

The minute that you don't follow whatever the narrative comes out as, then suddenly you must be playing for a different team because it's Tribe over Truth, which is an episode we did a

couple days ago. Isn't that, isn't it amazing that for a group of our, you know, fellow Wanderers have decided that the biggest insult that they can hurl at me or you or anybody else that they're not in 100% lockstep agreement with is to call, call us DeSantis simp, the most successful governor in maybe the history of our country in terms of in terms of instituting conservative values and law and protections over liberty. I mean, this is and that.

And that is the insult that I'm supposed to be, you know, horrified by and recoil from. I mean, absolutely not. Yeah. Now why why do they think that about me? OK, first of all, it's because during the primary season, I I never posted a DeSantis campaign video or sticker or button. I never wore the lapel pen or anything else like the Trump flag.

So therefore I must be that guy. Well, especially if you don't say everything that I want you to say right when you say when you're supposed to say it. If you don't step up into the space and and echo whatever line is being handed out that everybody else is on, then then you're the problem. And during the primary, I was, in fact a DeSantis supporter. If I had been able to vote while he was still a viable candidate and during the North Carolina primary, I certainly would have

voted for DeSantis at that time. That's not to say that I was not going to eventually carry the banner of whoever won the GOP nomination, because more important to me right now than who is leading that that ticket is stopping the biting Biden administration. OK? That's that's the single most important thing to me right now also. Let's let's hone in on that for one second though, if you don't mind, because I want to direct you towards something specific. Bona fides you.

You referenced it very briefly on social media a few times. Would it be fair to say that specifically guys like you and I, we've got some real skin in this game when it comes to not seeing a weaponized DOJ and Biden administration continuing on their path? You want to talk about some of yours? Not everybody knows your story, folks. I highly recommend you guys go look up Steve Baker. You can find him TPC the number 4 USA on any of the social media platforms.

But Steve and and there's plenty on them my channel as well. But if you don't know all about Steve, Steve's going to give you just a maybe the, the liner notes on this one. What do you got in in the game here? Yeah. Right, right. Well. And this is exactly where I was going to go before you. You set me up. Even better was the fact is, is that for the first time in my life, I am a single issue voter. This time, I've never been that

kind of person. I've always weighed all of the, you know, the druthers of a particular candidate, all the issues. This time there's only one candidate out there who says that I am going to pardon all the nonviolent J Sixers, and I am one of those because of my coverage on January 6th. I was arrested March 1st of this year after over three years of Federal Bureau of Investigative, you know, work and delving into every aspect of my life and tracking every inch of my journey.

On January 6th, they could never quite find that felony charge, but they were like, damn it, we're going to hit him with something. So they gave me the four basic misdemeanors. And then of course, our weaponized DOJ did something that you could speak to much better than I can is they sent, they sent me over to an FBI field office to self present. They did not knock down my door. They did not come at me with the red dots.

They didn't shoot my dog. But what they did do is they required me to show up and present myself, whereupon the FBI handcuffed me, took me in a car down to the federal courthouse in downtown Dallas. They transferred me to the US Marshals, who then proceeded to put me in leg chains for, let me say it again, for nonviolent misdemeanor charges, basically for a glorified trespassing charge.

That day I got leg chains in the humiliation of being marched in front of a magistrate to answer for my misdemeanor terrorism. As I like to now refer to it. I like misdemeanor terrorism. People will be surprised to learn if they've listened to our show the other day, maybe yesterday, the day before I did a 20 minute bit explaining what is so important, which is to say that terrorism charges in the United States oftentimes do not actually have an underlying crime.

It's just an ideology that they have managed to associate you with. So being a quote UN quote, domestic violent extremist doesn't mean that you're violent and doesn't mean that you're necessarily extreme. It could actually be a mainstream thing that you're interested in. There doesn't have to be an underlying crime for them to create an intelligence type investigation with national security tools. I think you're very accurate with the four misdemeanor

terrorisms. I'm sure there is some sort of national security case on you as well in that in that 266 Oscar vein, which we found the anti government, anti authority violent extremists because God forbid, Steve, you don't just take the government's word for everything, which is kind of what I thought journalists were supposed to do. You got me now. Yeah, you sound great. And if you want to switch it over, if that seems like it's going to be a little more stable, we can do that.

I've got another clip. We'll play for a second. It's another part of the method, but you tell me when you're ready to switch over. Why? Why don't, why don't you do that and let me try to switch over and see if we get a better signal? All right, so folks, we're going to get Steve re squared away on his connection. I'm going to play you a second

little clip about the method. The key is when you try to go find one thing, you might have a problem if you were looking for that single piece of evidence that either proves or disproves your case. It's difficult. So a little piece here from Daryl 0, which I think you guys will get a kick out of. Again, it's Bill Pullman doing this little bit. Here we go. Now a few words. I'm looking for things.

When you go looking for something specific, your chances of finding it. Are very bad because of all the things in the world, you're only looking for one of them. When you go looking for anything at all, your chances of finding it are very good because of all the things in the world, you're sure to find some of them. It makes perfect sense, does it

not? It's a simple and yet common sense idea that if you go looking for one thing, think about every time you've gone to go find your keys, and that's by the way, that's what he's looking for in that scene. This whole movie is set up that a man lost his keys and he's trying to find them desperately, which seems really silly. It turns out there's a lot more at play. That's why the movie is fun. That's why it's interesting. They sort of slowly unveil what's going on and why this

guy's keys are so important. But think about when you've lost your keys, you go everywhere and you're looking for them and what do you find? You find all the other stuff that you were looking for the other day when you didn't lose your keys and you weren't looking for keys. You find, you know, your wallet, you find the remote that you couldn't find for your TV the other day and so on and so

forth. Again, this is a scene from Zero Effect and it's Bill Pullman's recreation, kind of an autistic, Y antisocial kind of weirdo who engages in this bizarre practice of being totally. It's his claim is that he's totally he's totally detached from human interactions, which makes him horrific to be a colleague of and terrible to be around as a person. And yet he's very good at sussing out. Why is that?

Because he just doesn't have the impositions that most people have, that he doesn't have the problem or the burden of trying to be social and friendly. That's not his issue. And it's worth knowing that when you have that kind of weird sense of being a guy who doesn't, who doesn't have to obey social norms, you don't have to get a specific outcome that makes somebody happy or do the right thing for them. Then sure enough, you will be capable of more investigative

material. You will be capable of doing a more detached observation. Now, there's a second piece to this that I think that that movie misses is that you also have to have a thing that's called empathy. And we're waiting. Steve just popped on, then he disappeared. So stand by with me, folks here. Empathy is the other piece of it. Just because you can sit back and you can be detached and look at humanity as it falls out around you.

That's actually very good. But you also have to be able to put yourself in the shoes of the person that you are trying to watch, that you're trying to learn about. You have to be able to understand how people interact. It's the biggest. Issue I have with what's being claimed right now and the sort of pushes on social media against guys like me and Steve friend and Steve Baker, even Bill Shipley is in the same boat.

The question is, are these guys just fed OPS That's that's objectively insulting to my children, to my wife, to my parents, to the family members and my friends who have supported us and kind of looked in on what we're doing. It's it's really offensive to think that the goal of all of this, you know, discomfort that we've all engaged in and Steve has gone to jail for it and he spent the day getting processed.

You've got, you know, you've got Garrett o'boyle was made homeless and his kids were without jackets in the snow. Like all of this stuff is not, is not fun to be a part of. And yet you're going to make the claim that because we don't agree with you 100% that we're all an operation, that we're involved in some sort of a Fed op That's terrible. It's a terrible claim. I'm just adding Steve back in here so we'll see if we can get him on. All right, Mr. Baker, I think I've got you back.

Let me see if I can hear you. Check. Check. Check, check 1-2. All right, I'm. Going to have to boost your audio, but we'll get it I. Don't know if we're any more stable or. Not I don't know either. I've got minimal audio coming from you. How about now? I, I, I can hear you. I don't know if we're any more stable at this point, but we'll

see what happens. I like that we do weird stuff, like you and I have talked while you were a man on the street hiding somewhere in on the East Coast, just trying to avoid things. You're a man moving at all times. Why are you always in different places? Out of curiosity, what do you

got going on? Yeah, well, part of it, but I do and yeah, the other thing is, is that I even though I technically Lina, now that I'm working for the Blaze, it's that so I I kind of bounce around here in this in this region for, you know, to to be close to the headquarters for video work that we can obviously do appear on some of the host show commentary, that sort of

thing. But the, the, I guess the second most time other than than Dallas is DC because that's where so much of the work that I do, you know, where we're finding out the things that we are looking. For you. Know what I want to do, Steve? I'm going to put you on a phone call because it'll be a cleaner audio and I think that's more important, the video, even though I like seeing your smiling face. Does that make sense to you?

I'm just going to put you on a on a phone call real quick if that's OK. I'm going to. Hang with us here. I'm going to get Steve on the line here since that's not a very stable connection and we'll just do, we'll do audio only. I have a lot that we want to get into as far as this sort of method idea. So let me dial him up. This is this is the joy of doing a live show. Sometimes connections are not stable. Sometimes other things are going on, aren't they? So we will get that going right

here. 2 seconds. All right, Mr. Baker, can you hear me? Give me give me two seconds to connect it to the board and then we'll bring it on. Everybody should hear you in just a second here. 123 Rd. caster pro and check, check, check. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? All right, I've got you. Beautiful. All right, folks in the chat, give me a thumbs up. Make sure that we can you guys can hear Steve as well. He should be coming in loud and clear at this point.

Well, hopefully you've got an image of me up there in in one of my Bowie attire outfits. In one of your, what in? One of my David Bowie outfits. I don't. I don't have any Bowie. I need a Bowie picture of you. I need a default Bowie picture for all of our thumbnails. All right, so let let's let's get deeper into this. Like I said it, it cost you something. Let's talk about the whole fed OP, the sort of discussion that you are a problem specifically because you're not aligning with

a narrative. We're getting the thumbs up and five by so people are hearing you better. Yeah, I'm, I'm look, it's, it's no more complicated than this. I am now a fed op, right as you are. I am controlled opposition. I am working for the deep state. I mean, just just make oh, oh, my favorite one was a couple of weeks ago. I found out I was on George Soros payroll, which was, you know, it was a pleasure to find

that out. The only disappointment is as nobody has given me my offshore bank account number yet. So I know where to access all these millions that he's, you know, putting aside for me. So, but I mean, these, these, these are the, the kind of, you know, ridiculous charges that are leveled at you if you just don't agree 100% of the time. And, you know, in this particular situation, as he said, we're just going to touch on this week a little bit.

And I don't I don't want to get into the specifics of it because I don't want a pissing match with anybody, right? But the bottom line, the bottom line is, is somebody who I praised their work on Monday, we're talking about this week, Kyle. Yep, somebody for whom I gave public praise for their work on Monday got something really wrong on Tuesday. OK. And I bit my lip, you know, I, I was like, I'm sorry. I, I think I said it was this week.

I think it was last week. So last week, last month, it was last Monday that I praised the work. It was Tuesday. The same person got something wrong. And I bit my lip for a couple of days. I refused to say anything

particularly publicly. But what I finally did is I finally, without naming names, I just said, you know, the ridiculousness of this idea that there was going to be a shootout at the MAR a Lago corral between, you know, agents of the FBI and agents of the Secret Service and that this was a planned bloodbath. That this was a quote, UN quote, assassination attempt of our former president, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Hyperbole after hyperbole after

hyperbole. And in it escalated to some of our major, you know, talk shows and punditry and mutual friends. And I finally said, and this is the only thing I tweeted was, you know, that Trump was in New York during the MAR A Lago raids. If that was an assassination attempt by the FBI, it was very poorly planned and they went to the wrong facility, you know, 1000 miles or more away. And that's all I, that's all I said. And oh, man, the hell to pay for making just the simplest, most

logical point about how are you? It's like, Kyle, you're telling me that neither the FBI or the Secret Service knew where Trump was? Well, it's, I mean, the documents say that they did. So it's hard for me to, it's hard for me to believe any of that since they told us in their own words. Now the thing that bothers me, and I think it's the reason why so many people don't, documents are written for a specific audience. And I've covered this on this program.

I think you know this intrinsically as well, that when a, when an audience is supposed to know what things mean and another audience comes in and reads it, it's the equivalent of sitting at a, at a, a table and you're at I know, in fact, I know this. I talk to you all the time when you were out in public and you're having a cigar, you're having a bourbon or something, and you'll do overhear of other

people's conversation. How many things have you overheard in your years on the planet that you looked over and you were like, that was a really strange thing. Why is that person laughing? Right. Inside jokes are meant for an inside audience. They're meant for a group of people who understand what is at play. My wife and I have inside jokes. I'm sure that you and friends do as well.

There are certain things that are only funny because you know context that is not available to the average listener. And so when you hear these folks looking at something without knowing what the background is, who haven't served hundreds of FBI search warrants, who haven't been part of hundreds of briefings on operations, maybe in my case, thousands of operations in 23 of the FB is 56 AO Rs, then maybe it does sound crazy, which is why you have sounding boards.

If I had a question about music and performing, I'd reach out to my friends who are musicians, I'd reach out to you. I'd call my brother. I'd say, look, somebody said this thing about running a gig, like, what is what is this all about? And they would go, oh, that's common language for this. Someone said, we're going to do a hit on media. Like, are we, are we killing somebody? And they would go, no, a hit just means it's a a time for you to show up and be on a program.

I'd go, oh, OK, I didn't know. Right. And so the audience matters. The intended audience matters. I mean, it absolutely does. And you, you make an incredibly important point and we, and this is getting us back to the method here. If you are going to be called into doing something in an area that you're not the expert or you're not 100% familiar with or you're, you know, maybe iffy around the edge, even around the edges.

The first thing that you do is you get somebody on the phone who is an expert in that area that you trust and you run the scenario by them and you get their input. And then maybe you do it again and then maybe you do it again three times. And this is one of the, I think one of the the most important keys to the method and This is why we had the blow up last week is that somebody did not. There's one or two things that happened.

I'm going to back up here and I wish I could see your face right now because I, because that reaction I think is going to be important here is that I either when I am not sure of the direction or that I'm going in or the method or the process that I should take. I get on the phone with somebody who I trust who's better at this than me, more experienced than I

am and I get their input. And the other time that somebody might get on the phone to talk to somebody to get input are planning is if it's something you are in fact engaged in an operation with. When you when you have a some sort of momentary lack of of discretion when you are emotionally and personally involved in it, would that be accurate? Yeah, or, or, or there is a look. I'm I'm going to call a spade a spade, Kyle. I I I can't.

I can't avoid everything that I'm trying to dance around right now. Yeah, I don't. But there there is. There are times when people on the right are involved in just as prolific a disinformation operation as we blame people on the left. There, I said it. So this just got put out. You shared with me this morning. I want to kind of get to your piece that you wrote for Blaze 'cause I think it's relevant and it's also pretty important. Here's a little thing we're

throwing on the screen here. So we're talking about this tweet from Julie Kelly, which just came out this morning. This was the latest shot, by the way. I have not engaged with Julie Kelly since I think May 21st 'cause I don't care. I interacted with her privately and told her I really don't think that you should be staking your career on this. And she said something pretty nasty. You're not going to win on this fight. So my answer was enjoy your

clicks. That's the actual quote that I have and I I thanked her for convincing me to get off social media, which I've been off mostly for the last 10 days. My life is way better. I've been doing way better things. This is what she wrote. She said. If you're starting to suspect that former feds and out of the blue influencers with social

media platforms. I feel like we're both being named here are are involved in an OP to make to make it look like pro mega supporters in any way support the legal warfare against Trump. Trust your instincts. We've seen this movie before, especially related to defending the FBI and DOJ. What what in the world. But we I also quoted your article where they where they noted some of the tweets that were coming from people on the right that are punching this this rhetoric up.

This is Marjorie Taylor Green Republican Georgia tweeted the Biden DOJ and FBI were planning to assassinate President Trump and gave the green light. Does everyone get it yet? A lot of different, you know, emotional, what do you call them? Exclamation points and question marks. And then you've got Paul Gosar, who generally speaking is pretty balanced, I think from the stuff I've seen. Republican out of Arizona saying Biden ordered the hit, the hit on Trump at Mara Laga.

End Quote. Let's talk about your piece here. I've got a, I'm going to throw it up on the screen here so people can see it. Oh, I don't know what that was. Sorry about that buddy. That was really weird. I got I I have a couple of things I'm playing with apparently. So All right, so we've got you. We've got your article on the screen and people can see it. It says the blaze media.

Logically laughable. Steve Baker puts the final nails in the coffin of the so-called mirror Lago assassination narrative. This was written by Joseph McKinnon. Who? Who is Joseph? He's, he's one of our news writers at The Blaze, OK. So tell me about what this story is all about. And you quoted it the other day on Twitter. This is kind of your only piece that's like, stepped into this sphere. I mean, this is the method we just look at the facts, right?

I mean, you had an entire thread that shared documents. You know the things we look for. Look and and people are mad at me by the hundreds of thousands right now because they say that I was attacking Julie. I never attacked Julie. I never mentioned her name. I never, I never linked to her. I didn't tag her in my Twitter thread. I did nothing of the sort. And in fact, I have not responded to a single counterblow that she has thrown it at me in the last several days.

Not once. Because as I said before, I don't want and I'm not looking for a public pissing match. But I sat on a truth, Kyle that I knew about for a solid week. I knew that what had been put out there last Tuesday was 1/2 truth and the half truth as a result of that being allowed to marinate, fester and grow in the, you know, the, the Twittersphere and the, the blogosphere and the, you know, the podcast, those sphere and all of this.

And then it works. It's all the way all the way up to the, to the Fox News. And then you have Congress members saying that FBI planned an assassination attempt, that they were planning a hit. You just read the comments. This is how out of control it got. And I'm sitting, I don't know if I was the only other person in America that was holding on to this document that only half. Of it had been. Revealed, but I finally felt compelled to release it all. And I, you know, look.

Part of part of the method is accountability. And I, I am accountable to somebody right now, I am accountable. I have 3 layers of editors I have to go through. And then if it's a really important story, like for instance, our work on David Lazarus and Officer Harry Dunn, when we bring a story like that to the public now we're going through a fourth layer.

And that's our legal department. Because, you know, you don't call a federal officer a perjurer and accuse him of committing perjury in court and in in front of Congress without it going through multiple layers of accountability and review. And apparently when this was released last Tuesday, and it was only released, as I said, as a half truth, there was no

accountability there. There evidently were no layers of review or, or maybe it, maybe it just it, it this was what whoever was involved on that side of the story wanted. They maybe they wanted this reaction from the public and from the punditry and from the Politico. Maybe this is exactly what they wanted. Was this over reaction, this hyperbolic assassination

attempt, bloodbath, etcetera. You know, FBI hit on the former president kind of rhetoric that we saw out there for several days and I so I couldn't take it anymore, Kyle. I had the document and I took the document to my editors and, and hey, look, we don't want, we don't want these, these public fights. And, and it's, and it's not, it is not healthy for any of us to be taking friendly fire right now. We need to be united.

I agree with all of that. I agree with all of that, but we have to be united in the truth, following the truth. Yeah. I, I I. Libertarians are dealing with this right now too. And I know that you historically have kind of associated maybe not with the party, but with the ideals of libertarianism. And they're dealing with a real problem as well of they've got an issue of party over over principles.

The principles that they have are not represented by the people that they just nominated for their ticket. So you've got this like armed and gay guy in Atlanta who is going to now represent the libertarian ticket, which has decided to go 100% clown show 'cause that's what it is. There's nothing libertarian about trying to, you know, spread the freedom of drag queen story hour. There has to actually still be some fundamental freedoms. And that means you don't get to go after the kids.

The libertarians are acting like clowns. And so you have two choices. You can go to party all the time, or you can go to principle. Principle is closer to what truth is. So if you want to be united in truth, I'm on your team, but it's not because we have a team. It's because we have a united goal. The goal is truth. I want to show the, the document that you're referencing, this is the actual FD 888. So for everyone to understand what what happened and why this is so critical.

The filings that Julie Kelly was was pushing out and why she's gone after and impugn the honor of guys like me and Steve and Steve Friend and Garrett O'boyle and Bill Shipley, people that really have a lot of skin in the game. You know, Bill Shipley is representing J6 defendants for free. Steve's gone to to to prison or is is facing prison time over this, but he's gone to jail and and been held up by the marshals.

You know, I lost my home. My family had to be, you know, homeless for six months and, and staying with family and trying to figure out what the hell we were going to do for a living. Lost a career and benefits and all the other stuff. Garrett Boil, Homeless Steve, same story. Like we lost a lot of things for this and then. The document that was that was quoted from was a partisan filing on behalf of Donald Trump's legal team, right?

She was going with what, the motion to quash the evidence out of the search warrant. That's what's really important. It was always going to be a slanted take because it's Trump's lawyers. They're supposed to do that, by the way. That's their job. Their job is to be to push the, the judge, that's the audience that was designed for. In the meantime, I've got the overall plan, the summary of the plan up on the on the screen here. So just real quickly, couple of

little points. DOJ and FBI will contact the former POTUS's retained counsel and they named the counsel, but it's redacted person #18 So in other words, they were in contact with Trump's attorneys, notify him of a search warrant, request collaboration and assistance, and after a reasonable amount of time, they'll execute the search warrant. All this is a bad idea by the way. Would you agree? Like search warrants at at Mar a Lago?

I've been pointed out multiple times in the chat I'm mispronouncing it. At Mar a Lago is a terrible, shitty idea. It's dangerous and stupid, but not because it's physically. Dangerous. I opened my response. I opened my response when I presented not on the the other side of this story, but the complete story when I did present that on X this week is I opened it by saying it was indefensible, it was

reprehensible. There's nothing right, good, honorable, just probably even illegal about this raid that took place August the 8th of 2022 at Mar a Lago. I opened it with that. I said please read this carefully. I opened with that statement. I closed with that statement and then got hit by thousands of Julie's supporters calling me a liar and calling me, you know, saying that I was justifying it, that I was defending the FBIII sometimes you just you, you, I mean, you can't win.

Sometimes it's just not possible. And and I knew that going into it, which is why I was what I what I was telling you a moment ago is that I went to my editors first and and we don't want, we don't want this kind of pissing match. We don't want to be disunified. And, and I said OK, and I told him, I said, I'm throwing in the towel. I'm not going to do it because I was writing a, a, a longer story on it.

I already had 2500 words in the can written on this very exhaustive analysis of this story, the raid, the information that Julie put out, my response, the actual document. I had everything. I had 2500 words.

I had interviewed people. I mean, I had, I had long written statements from other of the suspendables and other people that, that are, you know, we'll just call them former feds as, as Julie is referring to them and, and as and as a result of, of all of that, I contacted my editors and I said, no, I'm, I'm just not going to do it. I'm throwing in the towel on this. I said, but here's the document.

Here's what it actually says. And this is what the American public doesn't know, and God bless them. To their credit, they said go for it. And I said, OK, well, if I'm going to do it, I'm not going to do it in article form. I'm going straight to where it was released the first time. It needs to be. It was released on X Twitter, whatever you still call it, and that's where it needs to be countered. I'm going to go there first, I said, and then we can turn it

over to our news department. And then if I need to, I'll follow it up with an opinion piece. My editor agreed to that strategy and there we go. And that's why we're at the place that we're in right now today. There's some comments in our chat right now talking about how the attorneys were were were shut off and said that they didn't have access to, they weren't allowed to be in the the premises to be searched. Of course, that's always the case.

Like folks you don't understand, once you once you execute a plan and the plan equals federal search warrant, everything is off. Like they take control of the scene. They being the the federal government. It happens in state law enforcement too. They will lock down an area. Imagine if you got into a shooting in your car. They will not let you hang out in the car and go and look through stuff. That is now a scene that they are going to control until they're done doing it.

This is all standard, which is why the minute you agree to do fill in the blank and fill in the blank is a bad idea. It's not surprising that all the things that normally happen, and I said it the other day on the show, and I think it's most worth hearing if we're being truly honest.

People should understand that the wildest thing is that there's been this argument that there is a 2 tier justice system in this country and the former president of the United States got treated the same way that PCP dealers and meth addicts get treated. That you got treated the same way as PCP dealers or meth addicts, right? You got put in a cell with a guy who was in there for methamphetamine production or distribution. Is that correct? That's correct.

Yeah, absolutely correct. This actually hammers home the point more more correctly. And we we talk about this, this military concept, this law enforcement contest is called PT bluff. Like put the bottom line up

front. The bottom line up front is the DOJ will treat anybody that is not on their preferred candidate list like a piece of garbage from someone who is doing garbage things all the way up to somebody who is simply being a reporter or a guy who was the former president and is a political problem for the current regime. That's the big story. The fact that they had like a predictable package along with a search warrant should never have been very exciting. We can.

It seems like they're just looking for a reason to go back to this well. The well is infinite, it turns out, and it goes back to the point of the clip that I showed while you were offline. When you go looking for anything, there are many things and you're bound to find them. There are tons of juicy Nuggets that are involved in this story. But the fact that the Trump legal team made an argument, you know, to a judge, an audience of one, that's not it to me.

Only because I've been on these search warrants. I've been on any number of search warrants, and they treated Donald Trump's residence like every other search warrant. That's the big story. It's insane. It's truly crazy. Well, of course, obviously they're saying that this is not standard operating procedure because it was a president. Yes, you're right. So let me let me start over again. Let me put all of this as a preface before I say what I'm

going to say. The raid itself was reprehensible, indefensible, probably illegal, should have never happened. Everybody get that? OK. Second, the day before this blew up, I praised Julie Kelly's work publicly. Then she put out 1/2 Truth. Kyle, you were exactly right when you say that Trump's defense team's job is to try and win first of all, in the court of public opinion. All right, I, I'm doing the same thing in my case. Don't, don't, don't think for a second I don't understand that.

I, I mean, I've been doing that for 2 1/2 years now. I, I, I, I, I actually beat back the feds when I was just a solo Blogger by myself. And this was in November of 21. I was told by an assistant US attorney that I was going to be charged within the week. They were going to charge me with Interstate racketeering because I had licensed my videos. I had a 20 year felony charge being levelled against me by the Department of Justice.

And we went, myself and my attorney, we went into massive media offenses and I started doing interviews. I was booked on the TV shows, podcasts, you know, radio programs, print interviews, magazine interviews.

And, and they, I think they got spooked because nobody up to that point, the hundreds of people that I think, I think at that point in the year, we may have been up to around 800 people have been arrested for January 6th offences at that point, mostly obviously nonviolent misdemeanors. And I think that because nobody had taken that tactic before, it spooked them. They backed off. We didn't hear from them for another 20 months until I got a grand jury subpoena in August of last year.

And then by then I'm now working with the Blaze. And so when they, when they told me again in December, another call from the FBI, this time your client's got to turn himself in next week. That would client being me. We went into media offensive again. This time I had the bull on of the blaze behind me and they backed off again and said, OK, well, all right, so not next week, we'll do it sometime next year. And they had to retrench. They had to go.

They had to go back to the Star Chamber, sit down at the table, consult with everybody and say, is this the PR hit we want to take? What do we do now?

How do we handle this? And they just decided to go forward hit me with the four basic misdemeanors humiliate me on camera, but me and lake chains marched me before magistrate and we are and I I announced I told them I have told the Department of Justice. I have told the FBI, I have told the court now I and we are going to try this, my case in the court of public opinion before we ever get to trial, if it ever

goes that far. The key there is that that we acknowledge that that's a useful tactic. I've used it, you've used it. Everybody who understands that there is power in the media and public sentiment knows that you have to push certain things if you want to survive against something like the federal government, which is the biggest monster in the room. It's the 800 LB gorilla and

you're just like one chimp. So it's a big, it's a big animal to push against and you use every tool you get, which you've just accurately described your situation. I think that's useful. Carry on. So when you look at this situation from, you know, not only our experience, but the fact that it's my experience and you know, what the Trump legal team is doing. And by the way, without getting into too much detail, I'm actively involved with the Trump legal team for their DC case.

I've been actively consulting for yes for months now. I have spent, I don't even know, dozens upon dozens of hours in direct consultation with them on developing that case. And why are they consulting with me, little old me? It's because I have experience in the arena that they are brand new in. I get phone. Yeah, let me just share this too. I get phone calls from former FBI agents who have been hired on his investigators for various different organizations.

I don't need to name them for credibility. I'll just tell you that they're they're public and they're national and some of them are involved in high profile cases

like you just talked about. Investigators reach out to me and Steve and Garrett, Steve friend, and they reach out to you because we have specific visibility knowledge at a specific amount of time, and we are the only people willing to talk about it. We're the only people willing to give insight and give connections and share with them names that they would never know because those guys retired from the Bureau before any of this nonsense happened and we got

thrown out on our heads. The FBI is a tight group. DOJ is a tight group. They all circle wagons and protect the brand and the name. You and me and the other suspendables are willing to throw bombs into that camp. And so we're a valuable resource to those people that makes us not a fed op, that makes us whatever the opposite of that is. We are a fed threat and we continue to be a fed threat, which is why you ended up with a freaking belly chain on standing in front of a judge in Dallas.

That's right. But this has been and, and going back to the preface again, the raid was reprehensible. It was indefensible. It was probably illegal. You notice I've said this three or four Times Now because I have to say it every time because if I don't, then somebody's going to take one of my follow up statements. They're going to post it on Twitter and they're going to say that I am a pro Biden, anti mega, you know, operative.

And as I've been accused of several times in the last few days, all because I didn't contradict Julie's work. I showed the rest of it that she had access to. And one thing I I did, I did make a technical error the other day in response to somebody because I haven't responded to Julie at all, but I made a technical error and I said that she posted edited screenshots. Well, Oh no, I mean, she did. She responded to that and called me a liar and she hasn't edited

anything. And I said, I should have said cropped photos, cross it edited photos. So I, I, you know, when I, I come, I come from, you know, music and studio background and that sort of thing. So when we're, you know, editing files, be they video files or whatever, and you clip, you know, the, the, the, the front part off whatever, we, we will call it an edit. We will call it a crop, we will call it, you know, whatever.

It was just a terminology. And so people were saying that that she needs to sue me for that claim. I said fine, I can show you thousands and thousands and thousands of examples in the marketplace where that phraseology has been used as well. The bottom line is if she had full page documents of a 162025 page document, whatever it ended up being, and she took and screenshotted, cropped out that which would support the narrative of who the defense team.

Which needed to be done because that's their job. Which is fine. We just have to be honest about what it is and what it isn't. That's not God's objective truth. That is a partisan argument. We have an adversarial system. One side says this is the worst person ever and he should never be allowed to speak and he should be put in in jail with no bond. And the other side says, dude, this is a former president, what the hell is wrong with you people?

Like he was. There was an assassination attempt by the federal government. They're arguing and they're trying to get to the middle of it where the judge is supposed to be the arbiter who goes Nah, I don't think it was an assassination attempt, but also give me a break. He's not going to run where he publishes his schedule for everybody. Let's just take a breath. That's the job of the judge. There's supposed to be a referee between two warring adversarial

clans. This is the uncropped picture, by the way, folks, if you want to see what it looks like, this is like every FD 888 that I've ever seen. This is what it looks like. That that this is the the document that was created after Ruby Ridge because the FBI killed two people. They ruled it justifiable it it was a terrible instance. It was the biggest black eye on the FBI that I remember as a kid. And the more I learned about it, I went like, Oh my God, Waco.

The search warrant there was probably illegal. It was definitely terrible what they did at the branch Covidian compound. That was one of the worst thing that's ever happened in my lifetime. And and Mar a Lago is very, very similar in that it shows a repeat. And I moved back to that 90s Jack booted thug mentality that the government gets to do might

equals right I've had. Several people, I've had several people over the last few days who have pointed out some of those exact scenarios where, you know, federal agents, rage gone bad, Waco, Ruby Ridge, etcetera, etcetera. Other individuals who have been apparently assassinated by the FBI in their homes. So they throw flash bangs in into a guy, you know, in Tennessee with a, you know, sketchy background to see if he'll respond.

We still don't know if he did or not because the FBI won't release any documents or talk about it. But they shot him. They killed him. And and and so there's the people are, are rolling these examples out at me, you know, on Moss for the last few days. But there's a significant difference between all of those, even if we're talking about the worst of the worst being, you know, Waco was 80 something dead, including, you know,

dozens of children. The worst of the worst example, none of those were blue on blue conflicts. So that's what I want to talk to you about right now.

And I want your perspective on. And what I want to hear about is because what's making me absolutely insane is this idea that, as I said before, that there was going to be a shootout at the MAR A Lago Corral between the FBI and the Because look, if the FBI, according to MTG and according to if they went in specifically to take out the former president or to assassinate him, that meant that they were going to be going into open conflict warfare shootout with Secret Service agents.

Now, I don't know about you, Kyle, and I don't, I don't know which you consider to be the best trained because it's probably different. I don't know that either agency is better trained than the others. But there's certainly specialists in each of those groups that are, you know, very highly trained. Probably some are less so. But the point being is, is the last group of people that I want to go get.

I don't want to get up at 6:00 in the morning, kiss my wife, you know, goodbye my children on their heads before they, you know, trundle off to grade school, knowing that as an FBI agent, I'm going up against the Secret Service at 9:00 this morning. No, that's what they that's what they do. They're they're they're security specialists, right? Like personal protection, They're the gold standard. I don't want to do that.

That's that might be why they sent HRT, but I would argue the reason they did it is because they were doing optics. They're doing the same thing as putting you in a belly chain. Was it because there's a real possibility that your hands were going to come up with your handcuffs and you were going to go grab somebody in the courtroom? No, they wanted to show we are the boss here. We're in charge, We're screwing with you. Do something about it. You can't.

We're going to send our Tier 1 tactical team to come here because we're the boss. The process is the punishment. And how dare you upset this narrative That's more likely to me is that it was about optics, that they thought it was going to be a good optic or they thought, let's give them the benefit of the doubtless. The other possibility, equally stupid by the way, is that we're going to send our best guys in so that we have the best muzzle discipline and trigger

discipline. The safest way to do this is send the best trained people we have. Even if that's the case, how dumb. And the whole argument that I've seen online that people are crying about like they were coming in in plain clothes. There's no FBI uniform. What I'm wearing right now, the Kyle Serafin show shirt. This is a perfectly good shirt to show up for an FBI search warrant. You know why? Because there's no uniform. They don't issue one. It doesn't get assigned.

There's no such thing as an FBI uniform. There never has been. They don't have one. It used to be suits. And in some cases, I've served search warrants and suits. That's a thing. I've showed up in a suit. It's rare. Mostly people come in with this tactical attitude. They generally wear, like almost all the feds. You have a bunch of people wearing khakis and people wearing, you know, some various polo shirts.

But I almost always went in with an operational medicine shirt because I was a paramedic on the back of it. It's a team medic. That's what it said. Because I was the team's medic should something happen. So you know, I had that I had dive team paramedic on one of my shirts that I would wear sometimes I had multiple different medical shirts. That's the closest to a uniform. And that what it was is some dude in my field office got it printed at like custom ink or whatever, you know, shirt

company they use. This is not a real thing. The idea that there was going to be a blue on blue conflict it it's sort of dispelled by the fact that we see these documents that say they're going to call the attorney, they're going to interface with Secret Service. They had this thing. MMM. Filter team, right? Yeah, man, that's Miami. That's the code for the Miami field office MALUS. Secret Service representatives will be interfaced with and they will be talking to the case

team. The execution required the coordination, not the opposition, but the coordination with US Secret Service and may include coordinates, coordinated searches with Mar A Lago or Mar A Lago Guest Services to ensure a fulsome understanding of the spaces that are going to be occupied. The key is on a search warrant, folks, there's only certain spaces you can you can go into and it has to be something that is reasonably expected for the person involved to have access to.

So if it's a guest quarters that Donald Trump could never get into, they shouldn't be searching those spaces. That's what they were trying to ascertain. All of this stuff is terrible. It's all the dumbest thing in the world. But it is what happens when you execute like all the things that come from executing the plan of equals, you know, search warrant equals all this dumb stuff. It equals deadly force policy. It equals coordination. It equals a description of the places it it equals a an

affidavit saying. And the real crazy is that a judge signed off on it, a guy named Bruce Reinhart, who I have not seen in the news in the last year and a half or two years. Yeah. And, and obviously that's a key component because again, a judge signed off on it and shouldn't have. But as soon as he does it strips, you know, the trigger of all of these processes that have to be followed as and people you know, if you say if I say it, they're going to they're going to jump on me.

I'm going to say it SOP standard operating procedure and they're going to jump online right now and in the comments. This is not a standard operator. It's never been done before. A former president of the United States has never been rated had his home raided before. Yes, you're right. Correct. Yes, and it's and it's reprehensible, it's indefensible and it's probably illegal. I said it again and I'm going to continue to say it. And you know, I, I, I have to lead with.

It and I have to close with that. You know those that that statement every single time? Yes, a raid on a former president is unprecedented, but once the judge signs the warrant, then certain things happen and the dominoes begin to fall. And one of those dominoes is the feeling out the filling out of the FD 888. Do you have Do you have a screenshot of the three O 2? Do you have that one? I don't, but I'm sure I can grab it because I have your thread up

here. The the thing that blows my mind in some ways too, is that all the tactical teams and all the arrest teams that everybody look, I said this is my first interview with Dan Bongino. But the question is, who agreed to this stuff? Who said that this was going to be OK? Who said, you know what? I'm I'm good with doing the thing that did you just ask of me. I'm not going to do because there are other examples and specifically Steve friend is one

of them. My buddy Steve got up and said you want me to do a swat hit on a guy that said he would turn himself in whenever you want. I don't get it. I'm not doing that. I think I just pulled the three O 2 up right here. This is document is restricted to case participants, which means it was restricted document to only those who work directly on the case. That's going to be a very small number of people out of Washington field. Not everybody could read it.

It tells you that there's a search warrant. It tells you the name of the serial where that was sitting was issued in the in District Court in the Southern District of Florida on August the 5th. So they basically had between August the 5th and August the 8th, the plan, all this stuff, which is what all the documents seem to show. And you're looking at that little square right there that says prior, right prior to the FB is entry team. Yeah, before you, before you read it.

I, I, I can actually see you online right now, amazingly so I know what I know what you have up now. But the the point being is, is that is that not only do we know beyond, you know, any doubt that there was prior planning, we knew and we know now that Secret Service had been notified by the FBI. And I don't know, you know, look, I don't know what the nature of the conversation was, but you, you, you know, you know better than I do or, or certainly would have much better insight.

Somebody, you know, I, I don't know if it was a special agent in charge or somebody higher up. Somebody had to contact the, you know, the supervisor at Secret Service at Mar a Lago and go, hey, man, I got a shitty thing I got to do. That's exactly what that conversation had to sound like, right? Unless they were just insane, unless they were totally insane. And I, I don't believe that there's enough insane people. It would have had to gone something like this. You're exactly right.

You're not going to effing believe this, but I've got a search warrant for the, for the area that you guys protect. We've got to do some coordination here. This is going to be really dumb. How do we, how do we make this work out? Who's who's your, you know, the POC you guys want to nominate for things going forward and let's, let's set up a deconfliction chain. Here's something a lot of people don't know. We have a thing called Blue force trackers. Do you know what those are, Steve?

No. Blue Force Trackers is a military technology. It is AGPS coordinate that will or AGPS device that will illuminate any number of people specific to down to an individual or even a just a team movement or a vehicle. And we would have blue Force tracking technology that the the program is actually called ATAC. It comes on the Android program, but it's a tactical awareness kit and you can activate it and it was required activation.

Guess what? For all SWOT operations, every single at least vehicle unit and every team leader had to have an activation of this blue force tracking program that shows you up on a GPS position on a, on a global map. And we have tiers. We have ways to open up what they call sockets to US Secret Service and to DEA and even the DoD assets if we're working overseas.

So we can show our physical real world up to the date position in real time with other federal assets and other federal departments and including up to, like I said, DEDDOD and other assets overseas. If we accidentally opened up the stuff for like big events, we'd sometimes see people that had their their channel open. That would be like in really weird places in the Middle East and stuff like that, right?

Like we would see they were like, oh, there's like a DoD guy like that's doing something shady with DEA that's like in, you know, outside the border of Iran or he's in Syria. Like what the hell is that? So you'd see all this kind of stuff. So we have the ability to do

deconfliction. And the reason why is because I've worked with, yeah, some people are calling it's like it's IFF it's it's identify friend foe is the way the military often terms it. And so you would have different colors that would be different schemes. And you have deconfliction that happens on these major national events. By the way, that's what should have happened on January 6th. Just you and me talking here. That should have been activated under this protocol that's known

as the, as the NSSE. And when you're doing NSSES, which means national special security events, and you're doing so in places like Washington, DC for a big national event, and all the guys are out there. So ATF and DOE, the Department of Energy is out doing their

thing. We all activate this Blue Force tracking program and we all show where we are in real time so that if people are looking at it, they can say, listen, FBIFBI, you know, unit #7 whatever it is, Hurricane team three, you are in close proximity to interview team 5, you know, make contact if need be or whatever it is. If you're looking for them, they would actually do link UPS that

way. And Secret Service has their own channels and we had our own channels and we could easily cross those, those, those streams and, and mitigate the, the potential for Blue on Blue. Like there's a lot of different tools that are out there. And I don't know how long they've been there, but they've been there for a long time. These are open source tools. By the way, I'm not giving away secrets here, folks. You can go down a TAC right now if you want to. If you have an Android, you can

go get a TAC. It's ATAK. That's how you get it. So this stuff exists and it was always out there and it was very important because and and Secret Service does something that's kind of cool. They put a specific type of tape on there and it's very, it changes, but they put a tape on the muzzle, their weapon. So if they identify that a muzzle is pointed out in the world and you don't see the person that's holding it and they're in plain clothes, but they have the right tape, then

that's a friend. So it's another fail safe. So you can see it. It's like, OK, how do you identify that that's a good guy gun versus a bad guy gun? You put tape, reflective tape on it so that when it pops up, the only thing you see before that muzzle is actually the the appropriate type of tape. They do this in in competitive handgun competitions all the time too. So if anybody's ever seen that, you know, it's reflective tape and has a specific pattern for the day and that equals a

cleared weapon. In any case, there's a lot of different tools. Blue on blue I don't think was ever really a real thing, and This is why we're showing this document here, which we alluded. You want me to read it real? Quick, Yeah, yeah, go go through the red, Red Square there. OK, Red Square here. This is the FBI3O2. This is going to be the operational 3O2, which is the document of record that shows what was going on.

And it says prior to the FBI's team entry onto the Mal premises, the FBI leadership informed and coordinated with local US Secret Service leadership, local US Secret Service facilitated entry onto the premises. I'm going to read that again. Local full Secret Service facilitated entry onto the premises, provided escort and access to various locations within, and posted US Secret Service personnel in locations where the FBI team conducted searches. Are we pretty clear on what that

says? You want to give it another whirl? Look, I don't, I don't even know, OK? I'm I'm catching my breath, but more importantly, I'm biting my tongue again. With that pause, I will now say there is only one reason why Julie Kelly withheld that page from her explosive revealed last Tuesday is because that paragraph that you just read took down the entire artificially induced rage that swept through right wing punditry last week.

That paragraph takes it down and that's why it was withheld. That's not a good sensation. That's not a good feeling really to think about that. I would people have been recommending the chat, hey, bring Julie Kelly on so she can talk about it herself like I'm happy to. The problem with Julie Kelly is I reached out to her and I told her what I thought and she basically told me piss off.

And she did the same thing to Bill Shipley and she did the same thing to Steve Friend. It's not that we care how many clicks she gets. Do you care about how many clicks Julie Kelly gets? Does that affect you at all? Is this a 0 sum game? It doesn't affect my life in the least. I think that her initial tweet on this head, over 10 million views, you know what the impact on me was for that? None. None. Zero, yeah, doesn't, doesn't

matter. The problem is, is that we don't, we only are interested in saying the things that are true, which goes back to the point of the method. If you're emotionally interested in the outcome of anything in investigation, then you are going to come up with, you're going to come up with tainted takes at the very least. That's the nicest way of saying that. But you're compromised because you've compromised yourself.

Which is why Sherlock Holmes is the greatest detective of all time, because he's a weirdo, because he doesn't care what people think about him. And that is exactly what you started off by saying. He If you don't give a shit, if you only care about the things that are accurate, then you can do things that nobody else is willing to do.

And what was the first thing that I ever told you, probably the first time that you ever had me on your podcast, I said to you that with regards to my January 6th investigations, I'm talking about the big picture. I'm not, I'm not talking about the the individual investigations about events or circumstances or individual characters that I've investigated, but I have an ongoing review and investigation

to the much larger picture. And I said to you, and I've said it to dozens of other people and other introduced, I don't care where this leads. I don't care if this ultimately takes me to Pelosi's desk. I don't care if it takes me to General Miley's desk. I don't care if it takes me to Donald Trump's desk. I don't care do. You know what I think is the weirdest part of all of it?

This is my ongoing my and I, we haven't bounced this idea yet, but I think that there's something very strange and it goes back to my continued concern that this, that January 6th wasn't called an NSSE. The only people that can declare NSSE is the US Secret Service. Did you know that? How? About that I did not know that, but. Put that into your calculus as

you continue to look at things. The people that decide 'cause you don't need the National Guard to secure Washington DC, they don't need it. They never have. It's never been required. Washington DC gets overwhelming both protests. They get overwhelming amounts of people that come in either for scheduled or non scheduled protests. They invade the National Mall on a regular basis. This stuff goes on and you

declare this. There are some that are always declared, and the ones that are always declared are like State of the Union, That's an annual thing. Every single presidential inauguration is all the 4th of July parades are and other big kind of events that happened where there's going to be just a ton of people. They bring out the entire cavalry. There's two reasons why, just so you know, NSSEA, National National Special Security Event, It is defined by statute and

law. You guys can go out there and look it up yourself. You can look up NSSE and what you'll find is that the United States Secret Service under DHS is the only group that can declare it and they are the point contact for all coordination in DCI. Don't know why. Honestly, I don't know why Secret Service is the one. Maybe because most of them have to do with the president and and and a big protectee.

But Even so the fact is, is that Secret Service and the director of the Secret Service who I don't know the name of the Secret Service director on January 6th and I don't know what was going on there. Was there an interim where they already transitioning out? Who made the call that this wasn't going to be an NSSE? And why has that not been adjudicated over and over again? It's the only thing that I've always honed in on as this is abnormal.

And it was abnormal. I should not have been able to take leave on the day that I did. I already had a contingency set up. For whatever it's worth. I set up a contingency saying I it's 'cause I paid for some training to go and do some firearms training on that day. And I was like, if I can't come in, can I meet you guys for a different class? And they said, yeah, absolutely. And I said, OK, great, because I may get called into work because in theory, there's going to be a

big protest. And if there's a big protest in DC, my surveillance team would be on standby. We would go sit over at the National Park Service, Park Police headquarters. It's called the Eagle's Nest. It's where their their helicopter lives. We would all hang out there in our cars and do nothing and be ready for tasking. And then they would see us on the Blue Force Tracker and they would say, OK, whatever, SOG blue, SOG red, SOG green, we need you to go and step in and

follow this individual. Look for this dot on the screen. Follow it to that thing they're going to give you eyes on and point you to somebody and you're going to start following them either on foot or vehicle. And that's what we would do. And we did that a lot for people that did weird stuff. And, like, we're talking about weird stuff.

Like, people would come in to an event with, like, multiple backpacks, and then they would, like, leave one somewhere and be, like, full of tissue or something. Like, just weird shit where you go. That's not normal. So we would follow them just to make sure that they weren't doing something that would invade people's ability to, you know, exercise their First Amendment. I don't know why Secret Service didn't declare it on that day, but I would love to know more.

And I don't have the ability to really do a research on that. Like, it's not research. This is a governmental investigation. That's what I've asked

weaponization to look into. Yeah. Yeah, well, and, and if we don't get the full support from Congress on these investigations, none of us are ever going to get to the bottom of it because as you said, we, you know, unless I had Sherlock Holmes ability or I had the the superpower of the Invisible Man, I'm not going to be able to get behind the closed doors where these documents and this digital information exist to be able to pull it up.

And ultimately, if Congress does not help us, we're not going to solve this case. We can get really close. We can develop very powerful and believable theories. Yeah. Like, for instance, with in line with what you're saying, and we may have touched on this to some extent in the past, but it's worth reiterating for whoever's listening today is that we now know beyond any, you know, doubt that first of all, the DoD wanted to have canceled every First Amendment protest permit to that day.

They wanted them all canceled. And it wasn't just the six permits at the Capitol itself that had been issued by the Capitol Police. There were 82 First Amendment protest permits issued on January 6th across all the agencies, Park Police, NPDUSCP, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And they wanted DoD wanted to cancel all of them. Yeah, and what's weird is most of the time these these protests just happen. Like if you're on the political

left, you don't need a permit. You show up and shut down streets and everybody just goes, 'cause I just accommodate it. Yeah, yeah. If you're on the right and you do it the correct way, they wanted to cancel it. Yeah, yeah. And so then we also now know that every single tactical unit of every three letter agency was pre positioned there. It was not until after the breach of the capital that they started showing up.

I was the first one to capture ATF tactical units on my camera within three or four minutes after Ashley Babbitt was shot. Then all of a sudden they popped up out of nowhere. ATF did not get there in 3 minutes. Kyle from across town. And ATF is not the people that should respond. No, I being is.

I, I know that the, the mutual aid SWAT teams for all the surrounding counties, many of them were training with me on January 6th, 2021. Many of their members were training with me. They were not on a standby status. They were hanging out. And those are the first people that you would normally go to. You would go to FBI SWAT, which is based on Washington Field, but they're not always at Washington Field, but you can grab enough guys to run down to the team room and have a A-Team

response. The, the office I used to work out of in 2021 has something like 50 or 60 guys on the SWAT team and there's always going to be a dozen or two dozen of them hanging out in the office. Most of them were counter terrorism or counterintelligence. They're sitting in a skiff. And they can run down, they can change out for their team room locker.

Or, you know, they don't have a team room locker, but they have a team room that has all kinds of like, you know, uniform stuff, even if they didn't have their stuff. But they all have it in their vehicles. They can run, change out, get a quick briefing, mount up and drive over, which is what they did, those people. But that takes you 45 minutes, maybe 30 minutes if you're really, really smoking. And they get a really good heads up. And they managed to put an all

call out. I wasn't in the office on the day, so I can't say if there was an all call on the on the the PA, but you could get a response. But you can't get a 3 minute response out of them. So ATF was on standby. And I'll and I'll also tell. Yeah. And I'll also tell you the only place I've ever seen this on video was actually on Russian TV. You can see FBI SWAT leading Congress members downstairs into the tunnels. This was before actually that it was shot.

How did you tell that they were FBI SWAT? Big old yellow FBI across their breastplates. Got it. Was it they were wearing the yellow ones or they were they wearing the black with the multi cams? No, this is not black. These were these were camo and they were very, very much identified, emblazoned as FBI and they were leading them down

the stairs into the tunnels. It's not hard to, like I said, it wouldn't be hard to grab two dozen of those people even if they weren't on the actual response team. I know guys that went in the that responded to the Capitol on that day, you know, and I also heard them talking about it and they were really proud of themselves. They were talking about how they could have shot somebody and they shoved some guy to the ground and like he was a real

Dick and all this other kind. Like I I listened to the team room chat for the for the week afterwards because I sat on a bag as a medic in the team room. So these people are not people. I this is not like some group of people I don't know. Why? Why? Why didn't all of these guys with, you know, carrying M fours assist Capitol Police and Metro PD in preventing access to the doors of the Capitol? I want to know that. That's that's the whole piece about what the briefing.

The problem is this, and my friend heard this on the day of the senior management for the FBI set up an immediate an immediate command post like you would for an emergency and they were overheard in the hallway saying this is going to be our 9/11. Not that it was the biggest terrorist attack, but it was a way to ride one case to the top of the FBI for management from here on out.

They knew it on January 6th. That doesn't mean they planned it, but they saw an opportunity and the senior management, including people like Jennifer Moore, who we've talked about on this podcast many times and who is a, an actual liar, documented liar, someone who has lied underoath to Congress. And I can prove that that's not even that's not even negotiable. I've shared this with number of members of Congress and nobody seems to care. So I guess they don't care about

testimony. But she is actually lied and she was one of the people that was involved in that and she was the special agent in charge of quote UN quote intelligence, which also was the supervisory level that my division that my team fell under. It was the intelligence division of the FBI Washington Field office. So they knew there was an opportunity.

There, I can put this one. Yeah, I can put this story down in the same way we put down the disinformation campaign that came out of the Trump team last week. I. There I said it again. The point being is, is that there were, there's absolutely no way that 3 or 400 people, because that's all it was overran with six bear spray flagpoles, 2 fully armed police departments, all of the tactical units from every three letter agency. And now we know CIA was on the

ground, had boots on the ground. Now we know that the Department of Defense assets had boots on the ground. None of this is going to happen by and we're and by the way, when I say 3 or 400, I'm being very generous. The actual numbers actually continuing continued to be spoken by the DoD. I'm sorry, Department of Justice DOJ is that they estimate only about 225 people actually participated in violence. Now there's going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 400 plus charged with violent

acts. But that's going to be more of obstructing police. That's going to be more of aiding and abetting. That's going to be more of being in the area. Or a guy, you know, that a guy that had the big, the big banner that was passed, you know, the metal, you know, guys that reached up and touched that as

he was coming over their head. A, a, a response that anybody would make, including Ray Epps made that response and put his hand up on it. Those everybody but Ray that did that, they've been charged with a, a felony for using a deadly weapon against law enforcement. And so point being is a lot of people who just made the natural response and oh, there's a big, you know, long piece of metal above my head. I'm going to put my head hand up to keep it from hitting me in

the head. Sure. They got charged with a violent felony. So by the DO JS own estimate, only about 225 people actually engaged in violence that gets this log. And yet they managed to collapse the police line, a reinforced police line by MPD and then also with all of these clandestine surreptitiously located somewhere, tactical units that suddenly appeared out of nowhere. They were there, Kyle. Yeah, that's wild.

And it's also wild that, you know, my, my ongoing and working theory continues to be somebody at Secret Service failed this Homeland Security, something in that somewhere in that chain of command, it fell flat. And I don't know why. And I don't have the ability to to to discern and neither do you. And hopefully Congress is getting on that team to figure it out. The second thing is, is that all of the things that happened on January 6th led to that raid that happened at Mar a Lago.

It had to be that we set it up and you can see it because the original charges with that 1512 obstruction. There's a reason why Trump was charged with it as well. They were playing with a game that needed to be. It needed to be worked out at lower levels. You always take on small game before you take on larger game. You don't start your first hunt on a moose or an or an elk. You go and you shoot rabbits or you shoot squirrels or you shoot deer. Something that's easier.

So it's it's, it seems obvious to me that these are all related. And I think that's the bigger story as that all of this has to be said. It's a bigger, bigger picture. And the big picture is it's not simply about Donald Trump and what happened at his house. It's what's happened at hundreds and now up to over 1000 houses in this country where we are proving over and over again that we have a ADOJ that is weaponized against at least some

members of the American people. And by the way, they used to be weaponized against people that we thought it was kind of OK. We being the conservative right was sort of OK with the War on Terror. They were sort of OK with the Patriot Act. They were like, oh, yeah, that's obviously what we need to do. We need to get really aggressive. We need to be monitoring these mosques. You know, religious freedom is either free or it's not in this country.

And so that's the biggest piece about principles. It's not fun to make an argument that people who have a fundamentally different view of the world have a right to that view. But that's what America's about. That's why I enlisted. That's why you go and you pursue truth. It's very hard to square that in your brain. That's why you have to have room for agree to disagree, and you have to operate in honesty.

That's the team that I'm on. Like I said, team, team outcome and team truth for its own sake, even if it's inconvenient. You know, it's an interesting point because not only do we have to be able to disagree, we, we are, we are taking long knives to each other over 1% disagreement sometimes, Kyle, 5%. One of the first things that I do before I meet with a Congress member is I go look at their voting record. You know why I do that? I want to know how much of an agreement I actually AM with

this guy or this gal. Sure. Is it 85? Is it 85%? OK, that's pretty good. Is it 97%, like, like a Thomas Massey or Rand Paul? Right. Yeah. We're gonna get along. We're gonna get along very well now. And when they disagree, you can you can look at their disagreements in good faith. You're like, OK, well this is a person that I almost always agree with. So it's more quirky and interesting that we don't agree

on something. I've got a buddy that I agree with probably like you said, 9597% of the time that 5 or 3% when we don't, it's very weird to find those edges and you're like, oh tell me more. If you're honest, you say tell me more about that. You don't go screw you. We're never going to be friends. I've never heard of people say everything. Every friend of mine has to agree with me 100%. You should only be friends with yourself then. That's the only person.

It's a subset of one that you will agree with all the time. And that's why when we think that Thomas Massie is going off the rails, the what, what is the one thing that he will do? He goes into detailed explanation, helping you understand. Now he's an MIT trained, you know, master's degree engineer. You know, he, he's one of those guys probably on the spectrum, you know what I mean?

But the point being is, is that is that when he knows that he's about to go off the plantation or off the approved narrative from even his own team, he goes into a detailed explanation. So you can understand his thought process and how he came to that conclusion, and you may still disagree with him. If you. Know he reasoned it out. If you were asking yourself, God, Kyle, why are you guys still flogging this horse, it's over.

The reason is exactly what you just said because we are giving you all of the reasons why we don't agree with something that's very important. And also, I haven't rejected Julie Kelly. Her phone number is not blocked. I don't think she's saying good things. I don't like people slandering me in public. I don't like them, you know, pushing false information and claiming that I'm an OP. That's nonsensical. It's offensive to my family members.

I watched, I watched my wife cry over this far too many times to have some lady who has never endured physical hardship for this country or emotional or as far as I know, financial hardship because of the love of truth. Maybe she has, but she hasn't told me about it. I don't want that. But it doesn't mean that I'm not going to still support those people.

It doesn't mean that I don't agree with them most of the time, almost all the time I do. I don't even think there's a lot of daylight between our opinions. It's simply about motivation. And we are allowed to have those disagreements in America. That's what I'm that's why we're on Rumble, folks. You want to know we're on Rumble because we can have dissenting opinions. We don't get censored like we do over on YouTube. Or if I tell you, hey, guess what? There's some real nasty fear porn.

By the way, Steve, I did a whole episode on fear porn and what's being pushed and how to trigger the amygdala with this bird flu and five H one thing immediately dropped off YouTube for vaccine misinformation reading directly from the AP. So, you know, that's how that goes. God forbid you you quote any of the sources that they don't choose. And if you say anything from Doctor Peter McCullough, like you're done. So that episode, it wasn't a strike, by the way.

We're not just, we're just. Removing it because it's dangerous for people to have more information. End of the day, the reason this thing has been beaten so many times is because a lot of us have, I'm going to suggest thousands of hours. Like, I'm not an expert on FISA, but I know more about FISA than almost everybody that's talking about it because I have, I have about 4000 hours worth of functional work on the FISA systems that the FBI did.

That's not a ton, by the way, 4000, but it's more than most people who talk about it. It's more than Sean Hannity's ever had. It's more than almost every Congress person has ever had. I have more experience in that space. I've got thousands of briefings to the point where I can tell you the DO JS deadly force policy from memory as I briefed it to my team every day for

hundreds of days in a row. And you just quote you check your check your notes here, but it just says law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force may use deadly force only when necessary. Again, another key piece of it. That is when the officer, when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person.

It's in my head because I used to say it daily and it doesn't mean anything. It just means that if you have to do it, they have to meet all the criteria. And we just told you what it is. It's classic CYA. We have to understand these things. That's not an authorization to go use it. It's always an effect. Anyway, We'll, we'll conclude our thoughts with the method about and I, I said this while you were off the line and I think this is the most

important. There's two pieces to it, the objectivity, the observation, those are critical and empathy is the last one. Do you want to talk a little bit about the need for empathy when you're when you're reviewing information? You talked about it the first time you and I spoke about your dad's techniques and what he does sitting in a room. Can you talk about that a little? Bit yeah, you know, my, my dad was one of those guys who had the quote UN quote, profiler

gift. I didn't know that at the time. You know, looking back at his career and his life, I, I realized that he had, that he was, he was one of those guys. You know, we've seen, we've seen them played on TV and in the movies. They seem to have the ability to get into the head of the person that they're looking for or the person they're investigating and come up with not only motives,

but sometimes just location. And my dad's specialty was missing persons and he had been able to find over his career, I don't know how many individuals. I'm not I'm not even going to throw a number out that had been, I'm not going to say cold cased by the FBI or, or had been, you know, whatever you guys call it when you put it at the bottom of your file. But the bottom line is they had quit looking for them and we're for whatever reason, no longer a priority.

And my dad is a private investigator, would either be hired by family members or other interested parties to find these individuals. And he would lock himself in his office and he might come out three hours or three days later. But when he came out, now this is pre Internet, there was no Google, there was no Wikipedia there, there, there, there was

none of this. But when he came out of his office, he knew where they were, probably already had them on the phone, the actual individual that the FBI had given up on. And, and he could, he could by just interviewing the family members or interviewing the interested parties, picking up additional leads, clues, other people he might need to talk to.

And he would just get on the phone and he would start talking to these individuals and his, all of this thing would start, you know, coalescing in his mind. He could put himself into that person's place, into their own mindset. You could basically become them and go OK, if I'm them, where would I be? That's, that's empathy. That's what empathy looks like. Folks, if you, if you don't know the difference between sympathy and empathy, it's very critical and it's one of the things that

makes you a better investigator. It is a it is a gift, but it's also a practice. So in order to do it, what you have to do, sympathy means I see that you are feeling bad and I feel bad that you're feeling bad. But empathy is I see that you're feeling bad and I feel bad as you feel bad. I am able to actually channel the thing that you are feeling internally. And occasionally you've got to be able to do that. You have to put yourself in somebody else's shoes and say,

what are the motives? What are the reasons? What are the driving factors here at play? Not from me looking on the outside with my biases that I'm trying to eliminate, but what is going on from the other side? And if that's actually understanding that the audience, that maybe even an audience of one, the audience is, it's like, OK, the audience is what's going on in somebody else's head. What are their, what are their actual motives and intent? We can always only estimate them.

Some people have that rare gift to be able to really feel it sounds like your dad was one of those types of guys. It's very cool when people can do it. But that's where the zero Effect movie falls short. He talks about his momentary lapse and objectivity, and it turns out occasionally you have to be less objective and more subjective by being very empathetic. And it's not subjective giving into your own, it's giving into

somebody else's thoughts. It's hard to do it and then also walk away from IT. People you know, if you feel as other people do, it will affect you. It has a toll on people and it makes them very difficult to be around. And it also is like, it's, it's really sad if you feel other people's pain. True empaths, like they're constantly hurting because it's not their pain. They're picking up everybody's pain. And that's, that's tough to see.

My wife is very much like that, or she was before she stopped sleeping and had babies. She can't be as empathic anymore. It's the cure. It's the cure to to true empathy. And let me, and let me let me tell you, let me tell you another thing, an aspect about this method that we have to be aware of is that it's like any research and you mentioned the scientific method earlier. You have to be willing to get it wrong. Sometimes.

You have to be willing to put yourself out close enough to the edge that you're going to make a mistake in the interpretation of your observation. I have gotten many things wrong in my observation of January 6th. Characters are events or instances that I've looked at closely. As a result of that, with more data, more video, more trial discovery, etcetera, we learn

more. And then as we learn, we get better at it. You know our our our programming gets better at. It if you're being really honest, that those are the moments of real discovery when you're like, aha, that's right, I was wrong. There's more to it. I've actually cracked my own biases, my own assumptions, and I'm able to go a little bit

deeper now. Now it's opened up a whole new you know, if you were exploring the Caverns of Truth, it's punching through what looked like a wall, seeing a little hole and looking in and seeing another cavern. But you have to be willing to do that. And then you have to be willing to go forward and say, OK, I made this mistake. I'll just give you one quick example. It is big. And it's, it's been a while since I've been at the place. I, I, you know, I have for, you know, a year and a half.

Well, I've been for three years now absolutely 100% convinced that Harry Dunn was never called the N word by 20304050 people chanting it at him at a time. The reason why I'm convinced of that is because in the most video recorded event in the history of, you know, humanity, that is not on video, where one out of every three people that are standing around had a cell phone camera up in the air. And so I know that that didn't

happen. But the one thing that I had never found and we did a story is with all of this thousands upon 10s of thousands of hours of video, no one had at that point produced a video of anybody using the N word. And and even though I made that point, I also always qualified this. And I said, now look, there were some people carrying a Confederate flag.

It's it, it would be highly unlikely that, you know, the 10s of thousands of people that gathered at the Capitol, the 3000 people that went inside the Capitol, the the hundreds of thousands of people that were at, you know, in the city that day for January 6th. It's highly unlikely that there weren't some racial people in there that that's a word in their, you know, vocabulary and probably regularly used.

It just happens. And I can show you the equal and the opposite on the other side from the leftist protest. Sure. So it's just the way it is. There's extremists, there's racist, there's prejudice on both sides of the political aisle. But then when I came out with that story, then when I came out with that story, one of the sedition hunters contacted me privately and said I've got your video for you. I got your in Word video. And she sent it. And you know what I did with it? Published it.

I published it. Exactly. And how many people were saying it? We got one, maybe two so far that we've found. So not and and Was it audible to Harry Dunn? Most likely. No, it none of this had anything to do with Harry Dunn whatsoever. See, it had nothing to do with him. Right. And it wasn't in his. It wasn't in his vicinity. When it was used, he wasn't even there. Yes, thank you.

And so and so the point being is, is that once, once it was revealed to me, I I and I even said I, I, I, I said this. If you have the video, send it to me. I'll write a story about it. In other words. Sent to me. I wrote a story about it. I'm willing to be wrong. That's correct. That's exactly correct. That's that's how the game of truth is played. By the way, folks, when there's more information out there, that's why we talk about the

illusory truth effect on here. If you hear it over and over again and you want it to be true, those are the things you got to question the most. We're talking about the method, not because it's so interesting for me and Steve to go and chop it up, although I will talk to Steve all day about anything he wants. We have a lot of fun. It's really important that you have a rubric to evaluate

information that comes at you. I got AI got a text this morning from somebody you really don't like and. What is Ryan? What is Ryan doing anyway? How? Did you? How did you? I mean, you and I know some other people. You really don't. Like I know, but I'm a I'm I'm a trained investigator. I I did some empathy there. I clept stepped right in your. Shoes, I know what you're doing. Go ahead.

What's Ryan? Ryan. Say and so so, so obviously Ryan being Ryan, he's reveling in this this public, you know, dispute that's going on right now. Of course he he's loving it. Yeah, weird, because he's on my side on this one, I'm sure. Right, right, right. And, and, and so this is exactly what he said to me this morning. He said, this is the same person talking about Julie, he said, who believes that every single person in the Capitol building by design must burn to death if

the building is ever on fire. And I'm like, what he said, oh, yeah. He said, Julie for three years now continues to push the idea that there's some secret magic button on the second floor of the Capitol that unlocks all of

the magnetic doors. And that is an area right there that if you go look at what happened and you have had the opportunity to look at all the video that I've seen related to the Capitol is, you know, there's there's this one incidence where this one guy goes over to the east door. He's already broke. He's come, he's come through from the West. He's worked his way all the way through the other side of the building.

He goes to the east door. He's pushes on the bar, you know, like all these exit doors have. He pushes on the bar. It doesn't open. So he looks up over his shoulder, points upstairs to something, and then goes back to the bar, pushes again, and it opens. Right. Well, everybody has said that. What he did is he went and he pointed to the guy that had access to the magic button, right? That releases all the magnetic

locks. No, there's a sign on a pedestal right in front of the door that says depress the bar for three seconds and then 15 seconds later it will open. Which is a fire has. It's DC. It's DC fire code, Sure. Every building in the city. That actually came up in our chat earlier. If we wanted to know, were there magnetic locks? Was there a way to undo it? And the answer you've just given is a basic sign and basic fire safety. You can't bar the doors to a building for people to egress.

Right. That's right. And that's why Congressman Bowman, you remember when he went and tried to stop the, the, the the vote and he went and he set off the fire alarm. You notice the first thing that he did is he removed the signs. You know what the sign says to press the bar for three seconds and 15 seconds later it will open. And make an alarm. This is exactly and he and he put, he took the signs down because he knew what he was doing. Sure. Oh yeah.

I mean, I think we all kind of knew that Obstruction of official proceeding. He's been charged 1512 or is that just that's good if you're a Congress. Person. Just you, just you and Trump and 1000 plus other J Sixers. Very cool, very cool. Really happy to do it. OK, I'm going to throw your social media here. People can follow you, give a pitch if you would. I'm on the screen instead of you, but there you are TPC 4 USA Steve Baker joining us by phone.

You guys can follow him there. You got anything you want to pitch your Your Blaze site as well? Yeah, I mean, everything that we're doing on the Blaze is, is of course, you know, the theblaze.com, you know, has a paywall now because it, because the Blaze has gone ad free. And I know people complain about, you know, paying $3 a month for access, but you know, we used to pay a lot more for our, our newspaper, you know, delivery.

So all, all I'm saying, I don't have a code to give you, you know, I'm not, this is not a sales pitch, but everything that is behind the Blaze, you can find it either under my name, Steve Baker, but they've also given me a, a unique URL just for my January 6th investigations. And that's theblaze.com/truth. Do you do you know what a burden that is, Kyle? Oh, you mean when you have to actually say things that are true 'cause you've been told that that's the name of your of your URL?

When your company, when your company gives your work it's own unique at URL and they say truth. That's why I struggled for a week over this issue that we've talked about today. That's right is I was sitting on the truth and I was scared to present it because I knew there would be hell to pay. That's the worst part for me, that's the worst part for you, is that there's no clout chasing on this. There's no, there's no glory in telling other people that they're mistaken.

We don't want them to be mistaken. I don't want them to be mistaken. I want them to be correct. That's why we reach out privately. But when you're rebuffed and everybody around you is rebuffed and all the people that are actually knowledgeable in this field are rebuffed and then they call you an OP Dan Bongino calls that the dipsy do fliparoo, which is to say that they they accuse you of what they're doing. I hope that that's not what's happening here. Even it's hard to see it any

other way. George Hill saw the same sort of stuff. We independently look, it looks like, and it doesn't have to be. Here's The funny thing, and I'll tell you this, Steve, 'cause I think this is true. It doesn't have to be an OP being run by people like Julie Kelly or Dan or anybody else. It can be an OP being run by social media algorithms that's pushing for division. And that is a big, big likelihood in my estimation.

I would say that with medium confidence that we are seeing algorithmic boosting of stories that create division, which is what makes Ryan Riley happy. And it makes a bunch of these people on the political left thrilled to see that we are arguing over the one or three or 5% of things that we don't agree on 100% because it's distracted everybody from the 95% of what we do agree. And we do agree on most of the

things. And we even agree on there's, like I said, there's very little daylight between our positions. The difference is I'm really, really hyper focused on accuracy, even though nobody's going to ever ask me to come testify in front of Congress because they know how impolite I'm willing to be. And I'm really willing to be, I'm willing to be mean. But I just think that that it matters and I, I won't do it. I won't say things that I know are false because it's convenient.

It turns out that's why I don't have friends at the FBI. Yes, that's exactly right. Well, man, hey, look, it's been, it's been awesome. Great. I'm sorry we had the, the hotel Wi-Fi signal problems here and but that that's OK. I I would rather look at just that photo than, you know, my my morning mug anyway, so. You know what's good? It always, it pushes me to do

better on the visual. So folks, if you didn't see the, the, if you're listening on any of the audio channels, Spotify or whatever, I heart on, on Apple, you didn't get to see me scrambling on the back end to create a visual that looks appropriate. And I think I did OK. The folks in the chat are like, man, Kyle's pretty quick at

doing this stuff. It's like, it's like I have a skill set because I have to have a skill set because I got to do this job because I don't have a fed job to lean on and I don't get any Soros money like you were apparently accused of. It turns out this is what I do for a living and I take my profession, whatever it may be, whether it be investigator, whether it be paramedic, whether it be finance analyst at a movie studio, which I've done all those things.

I take it really seriously. And because it's a reflection of me and the world. So we did it. We did an OK job. I think we scrambled, we made it work. I'll cut out some of the ugly audio earlier so people who are listening after the fact won't realize it. But thanks for giving me the time today, Steve. Thanks for, you know, chatting with me while you're sitting in a hotel room and running around doing your work. Yeah, man, thank you as always.

I, you know, I didn't, I didn't want to get even as explicit as we did today, but it was good to get it off my chest and I think we did so respectfully. As I said before, I have had great respect for Julie's work. I as I said, I praised her the day before she dropped this and and now I'm the villain in her world. I said. OK, well. There's no villains here. There's just we agree, there's just mistakes.

We agree 95% of the time we should be able to respectfully come to a different conclusion that other 5%. That's all it's about. Team Truth. Theblaze.com/truth check out Steve Baker. Thanks for joining me, buddy. We'll do it again soon, I'm sure, whenever the next thing happens. Just like we played on the clip, When you're out in the world looking for anything, which is what you do, I know you're likely to find something because of all the things.

Many of them will fit the bill. Thanks for being on the show and talking about the method with me bud. Thanks, Kyle. All right, we're going to say goodbye to Steve. We appreciate all of you guys and your. There it is. That's Steve dropping off the line. Thanks for your attention. If any of you want to go out there and push aggressively and tell Julie Kelly that she should jump on my program and talk with me, I can be polite. I don't even mind if people offend me.

I was a federal agent. I was a paramedic. I had people tell me terrible things because they were in pain or because they were upset about things that were going on. I didn't 'cause their emergency. I was trying to help it, but they still blame you, 'cause you're the person that's there and you're not part of the family. I've had people scream at me when they're massively overweight and diabetic and hypertensive.

Family member drops dead and we're doing CPR and they're screaming at me. It's not my fault. I don't take it personally. It turns out I do after the fact, but not in the moment. And here I took it personally before I came on the show. That's what we do, We bring it on. I'm just going to remind you that if you think that your opinions are the only ones, and often times I know that I'm correct about certain things. It's very frustrating to be that, but there are things that

I will honestly just tell you. These are my opinions. It's not an opinion about how federal search warrants work. It's not an opinion it's based on, it's based on experience In 50% of the FB is different area of responsibilities. I've touched, I've touched operations in 23 different AO Rs. The FBI has 56. So I have done almost 50% of those places. I've gone all around the country. I've done them from Alaska down to Miami and they always have

the same rules, always the same. That's not an emotional decision. Doesn't mean that it ever should have happened, by the way. So I always argue against pride, including myself. That's, that's that's a big piece that I talked to myself about too. We got to avoid pride. If you guys want to support the program, I'm going to throw a couple up here real quick. You can go to badhatjerky.com/kyle. You can order some jerky, use promo code Kyle to save 20%.

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later. And I do appreciate people that are committed to truth. It's not fun to be arguing against your friends. That's not why we do it. We do it because we care about what is true and what is real, and we try to humble ourselves in order to get to the bottom of the stuff. If you give the left room to operate, they will hold us to our own standards, and our own standards should be truth. It is all right. Do I have a palate cleanser for today? Of course I have a palate cleanser.

Folks, you guys want a little break? Here we go. Take a deep breath. Claimed to be the dumbest criminal in America. I'm going to push back on that after we play it. Here we go. And I'll read you a five star just after this. Mr. Hello. Are you driving, Ashley? I'm pulling into my doctor's office, actually. So. So just give me one second. I'm parking right now. You stationary? I'm pulling in right now at this second. Yes, I am. All right. What are we doing?

Your Honor, we are specially. Requesting an adjournment in this matter up. Possibly two to four weeks that the court would allow. So maybe I don't understand something. This is a driving while license suspended. That is correct, Your Honor. And he was just driving and he didn't have a license. That's with the charges, Your Honor. Yes. No, I'm looking at his record. He doesn't have a license. He's suspended and he's just driving. That is correct, Your honor.

I don't even know why he would do that. So defendant's bond is revoked in this matter. Defendant is turning himself into the Washington County Jail by 6:00 PM today. Failure to turn himself in will result in the benchmark with no bond. This poor guy. Listen, let me give you a different take on this, OK? This man had a court appearance by Zoom, and he also had a doctor's appointment.

And some of you who deal with doctors have told me it's very, very difficult to maintain a doctor's appointment if you cancel it. I think we should give this guy a break. He managed to do 2 things at once. He kept two appointments. He was on time. A lot of people in this country can't make an appointment. He kept two appointments. Come on, judge, where's the leniency here?

But let's just say, if your court appointment and your Zoom arraignment is because you're driving without a license, it's probably not smartest for you to go out there and film yourself while driving. Admit to the judge that you did the thing that you're alleged to have done and giving him actual evidence with his own eyes. It's just, that's just a facepalm moment where you go. Come on, man, what are you doing? Just do it from outside.

What are you doing? Oh, I had a friend drop me off at the doctor's office or Uber. As you guys said, there's a lot of options. Oh, well, listen, that's a tough, that's a tough situation for that man. But it is pretty funny. And somebody pointed this out to me and said, listen, what if we didn't actually deal with fraudulent voting in 2020? What if there's millions and

millions of this guy out there? Are there millions of people that would do a Zoom call with a judge on a suspended license while driving their own vehicle? The answer is probably yes. If we're being totally honest. I think we just have to admit that. Folks, if you got any comments, if you got sarcastic remarks, if you have specific questions for the Kyle Seraphin Show, you can do so at kyleseraphin.com. Don't click I have a question or don't type. I have a question. Just send your question.

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