Steve Baker: How do you wish to plea? | EP 279

Take a look. Behind the curtain, with a real whistleblower, an American patriot, prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for comforting lies. Here is civil liberties enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI agent Kyle Sarah. Well, hello my friends, and welcome to the Kyle Serafin Show. Today is Thursday, it is April the 4th in 2024 and we are rolling live on rumble.com/kyle Serafin.

Make sure you have hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. I actually don't always talk this fast, but I'm amped up. Yeah, I gave myself extra time this morning because I knew I didn't have to prep for like a regular show. I just had to have my mind right because we're going to be talking to Steve Baker, my friend. Suspendable Blaze Correspondent, Blaze Media Investigative Reporter So I I wanted all the sleep that I could get. Went to bed a little earlier

than normal. Gave myself a solid 8 and change hours and like so many things. And Steve will be able to attest to this as well. When you make good plans, God just laughs in your face and says you silly little man, you can't do that. Because my daughter came in at before 5:00 AM and then spent the next hour and a half just kicking me, letting me know she was in my bed taking up space. My wife was up feeding the baby in our our guest bedroom.

What a way to start the day. Can't make it up, that's just how it goes. Then we had some little audio issues so we appreciate all of you all joining us even though we are just a couple seconds late on the stream. Not intentional and nothing nefarious, just a little bit of

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know. Of course, because we had to reboot Steve. I'm going to have to re add him to a scene. Bear with me all we're about to bring on the man, the myth, the Steve Baker. Hey buddy. Oh, I got to unmute you. I got to unmute you. That's the other thing I got all the things clicked. All right, we're ready. And there we both are at the same time. Look at this. How you doing buddy? Should we go back and talk about ex girlfriends again? We're back. OK, of course.

Of course there has to be changes. By the way, I don't ever mess with these settings. I don't need to mess with these settings. Except when someone comes on and it gets crazy. All right, now the chat's going nuts with that. We hear you now all. Right. Awesome. OK. So, Steve, you made good plans just like mine. They fell apart. They heard the punchline. It wasn't my ex-girlfriend. What? What ex-girlfriend were you dreaming of if not mine?

I I probably shouldn't mention her by name, but I've never dreamed of. It's amazing with what I've gone through for the last three years. I've never dreamed about your ex-girlfriend. I've only drunk texted him on occasion, you know, so I. Like that you called my ex-girlfriend. To him, we're having some gender bending thing.

Look, and that's all right. So for those who have never heard Steve Baker, who I'll have to chop out that that early part where we had no audio, and that's a shame, all right. For those who have never heard of you who don't know your story, let's start at the very beginning, which is a very good place to start. Let's talk about, because we've done hours and hours and hours of conversation, you and I. And the first time you were on, I I was reminiscing with my

father about this the other day. The first time that you were on my program was right off a very short hit that you did with Tucker Carlson, right? Yeah, that's right. And then we went like Joe Rogan territory 3 plus hours non-stop. You know, pee breaks required all of that. And it we've come a long ways from that moment. Like that was a that was a that was a lifetime ago.

Look, there's so much that has happened, and I was reminiscing about that this morning as well, trying to figure out where we should start today. And I don't even remember what our last 'cause our last conversation was. Prior to you going and getting arrested in a little pill. Box two or three hours in and of itself and you know of course obviously you and I chat offline.

We, we have a regular ongoing conversation almost daily about the things that both of us are up against in dealing with on a daily basis. But having said that, I don't remember what the last stopping point was in this journey that we're both on at the time. And I certainly we haven't spoken since my arrest. We haven't spoken since I got to bless the magistrate in a Dallas in leg chains. And then you know yesterday I was my actual arraignment in

front of my actual judge. And so there's a lot to talk about there as well. And to be honest with you, you know, even though so my attorneys are always, you know, they've got their nuts up in their throat whenever I'm doing an interview because they never know what I'm going to say. I I still don't feel, I don't feel much in the way of restrictions. I don't feel much in the way of

limiting my speech. I'm certainly I have no intention to do so, you know and I and I have to be maybe a little bit more careful about a couple of specific things, but other than that we well. We don't need to hurt any. We don't need to hurt any judges feelings. That's not going to benefit anybody. Yeah. No. And and I actually want to talk about Judge Cooper today. All right. Well, we're going to do that too. So let's start. I think, like I said, let's start at the beginning.

And I think and I'm glad you got coffee there. We're going to, we're going to hydrate as needed. Let's begin with who you are as a person and we will work up to the fact that you were an unaffiliated, independent, self funded journalist on January 6th. So let's talk about the person. And here's why I think this. I have been considering a lot because I get a lot of input from my father now. And I know that your father was instrumental in some of the ways that you think.

And that's something you've shared with me. And I I get input from my father now because I'm kind of in the business similar at least related business to what my father used to do. And who knew that you would be doing something similar as well. And maybe we have that parallel track. So let's let's go back to where you grew up. Just a full recap, maybe 5-6 minutes of of who you are as a human being, where you came from and how you grew up and what you saw growing up around your

family. Yeah, let's just, yeah, we'll do the, the, the quick elevator pitch here on that. But my, my story started in Louisiana. I was born into a very religious, Southern fundamentalist Pentecostal family. My dad was actually a dual career guy. He was a preacher and he was a private investigator and he had,

you know, some success at both. He had had quite a bit of notoriety as a private investigator, even covered by national news organizations, because some of the stories that he worked on and then as a result of the my life's goal or the career path, which was as a musician cuz all I ever wanted to do was play trumpet. I was I I became fascinated with music at a very young age. I was actually more fascinated

with trombone. But I was about 11 years old and we were moving and my the last load of gear that we had was in the garage at our old house and we're moving to the new house. By the time we got back with the hall to pick up the last load, somebody had come in and stolen all of the rest of our stuff, and that included everything from my bedroom.

So my trombone, my GI Joe collection, my NFL trading cards, and I had 8 by 10 signed glossies of all of the classic six 1960s Green Bay Packers, the Lombardi era Packers. I had them all. All of that got stolen. That's hard and that's and year 11. That's the one that hurts me the most is because I have no idea. And not not that what they would be worth today. But it was such a significant part of my life as a young child because everything in that era was about Lombardi to me and all

of his players. And so I got AI, got a $1.00 a week allowance, Kyle, $1.00 a week. This is back in, you know, 6667 back in that era. And I used my $1.00 per week allowance. I'd put it in an envelope. I would address it to the Green Bay Packers. I would send it up to them and they would send me whichever of the Green Bay Packers wanted in a black and white 8 by 10 signed of them and of that particular

player. And every week I would get, I I would get, you know, with this large Manila envelope with the Green Bay Packers sticker on it, you know, with their logo from them. And it's like, you know, just my heart would just beat out of my chest and I'd rip that thing out open. It would be Bart Starr. It would be Paul Hornug, It would be, you know, Jerry Kramer, whoever it was, all the greats from that era.

And so I. I what a great program by the way, that they came up with in the front office there to do that. Yeah, back then, yeah, because there there wasn't no Internet. We couldn't just, you know sign on and Google up, you know our our Ray Nitschke and and you know print out a picture of him or save it to our files. You had to actually buy it. But for one dollar $1.00 I could get that and that's how I spent my allowance.

And so I I hated, I hated losing that but I lost my trombone And then my dad was a wannabe trumpet player and he played and he played in church and he he was self-taught. He didn't even start teaching himself to until he was about probably 2122 years old, maybe even 23. And he. And at the time, we had a cemetery down the street from us where we lived. And my dad used to go down and practice in the middle of the

night in the cemetery. And he he, he used to joke that he was never good enough, that they would mistake him for Gabriel and come rising out of the graves. But the point being is, is that's how that's how he taught himself. And then because that was the only other instrument we had, we couldn't afford to replace the trombone. I ended up becoming a trumpet player and then that's all I ever wanted to do. That's all I ever wanted to be. And so I started on that, on

that path. And then I started getting the scholarship offers in college. I became, I finally picked my my school of choice and became a trumpet performance major. A year and a half later I got a call from a band that needed a, you know, hot young kid that could play to come on the road with them. And I did and I joined this band

that changed my life. I was 19 years old and I parachuted into this operation that I had no idea what they did or or I just knew that they traveled internationally. I remember that on it was the early January of 1980I flew to San Diego from Shreveport, LA, and they picked me up in a tour bus. And I I mean I started my musical career on an actual tour bus, you know, it was only it

was all all downhill from there. But I got the start right and then there's a. There's a thing on on Amazon Prime right now that's about the the folks that like the A listers, like the the what do they call them? They call them hired guns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you watch that? Oh yeah, I've seen. I've seen the hired guns, right? It looked like it was going to

be really good. But yeah, the this idea that you're going to, you know, just getting on the tour bus is is kind of like making it to the minor leagues. You're still in this tiny little fraction of people that can actually make a living doing the thing you love. Which is That's right. Really, really rare. And believe me, we weren't making much of A living back then. That's fair.

We did. But I but I found myself 2 weeks later actually in a recording studio in San Francisco, recording what would be ultimately that we were recording a demo to what would ultimately be the theme song to the 1980 Summer Moscow Olympics. An American band doing that? Worse. Or, you know, not worse, but more interestingly, an American Christian pop band. How about that, You know? What I didn't ask you before and I'm curious about why did they choose your band?

How do they, how do they land on your group to do that that that team? Yeah, just two. Two months before I joined the band, they were actually touring in the Soviet Union. It was in subversive illegal tour. They were working with underground dissidents who were setting up concerts for them, literally illegal concerts. And then one of the things that ended up happening by, you know, we call it a miracle. You can call it whatever you want to call it.

But the the bottom line is, is they were invited to a jam session in Moscow, a midnight jam session with two of their more famous Soviet era Russian bands out of Moscow. And one of the attendees of that illegal jam session was a woman by the name of Alexandra Pokhmatsuvu. And she happened to not only be a member of the Supreme Soviet, she was also at the time acknowledged by Chairman of the Communist Party Leonid Brezhnev as being his favorite composer.

And she wrote not only classical songs, she even wrote a trumpet concerto back in the 50s. And so she not only wrote classical music, but she wrote pop music.

A couple of her songs had been huge hits and you know, behind the Iron Curtain. And then she was at that event and she liked the band so much, the band that I would be joining two months later that she actually handed them some sheet music and said I am. I've been contractor hired as the producer for all the music for the 1980 Summer Games and I would like to hear you guys do an arrangement of this song and hear your version. So that began that, that began

that happenstance. Now, I'm not going to say that she was herself a subversive or a dissident or whatever, but she certainly was instrumental in a lot of things. And with regards to our activities and our future activities, which ultimately led to me a year and a half later actually playing on Soviet Central Television, sponsored by Komsomuskaya Pravda, which is the youth edition of Pravda, the

Soviet newspaper. The actual editor put us on stage knowing full well that we were a a Christian pop band and that was, you know, that was kind of the beginning of that. And then from there I did some other things in the Soviet Union that we've talked about before. And then my life continued largely and primarily in music and all manner, you know, either either church related or not, concert promotions, artist management bookings, my own bands.

I finished my music career. I say I finished it. I hope it's not completely over, but I did retire my bands just back in December of last year so that I could focus on what I'm doing more without that that that interference. But the the bottom line is, the last 22 years of my life I was back into live performance again as my primary source of income, which led us to COVID in the lockdowns, which then took my job away from me. I had three bands at the time.

The three bands were doing very, very well and then suddenly we weren't allowed to work for a year and a half. North Carolina, where I live now, was one of the probably the, I think I I'd read somewhere it was the 4th most locked down state because of the type of governor we had. And of course our, you know, our state health director is now the head of the CDC. No big deal there.

No, no corruption scene and it and it interesting that the entire Eastern seaboard which I got to see the COVID roll out across the country. They were there were some places that really lost their minds and and places that shouldn't have that you would have thought were more conservative than not. Now Florida had, you know for all of the talk about Florida, Florida had, did you guys go down there at all?

Oh yeah, yeah, Do you? Remember seeing the the the the waiting lines at the state line that they were blocking people from certain states from coming in. They sent them into secondary while they were driving on an Interstate. I never had that experience. I had that twice. I you did. Wow. Now my my first escape was the lockdowns of course began mid March and then in May Tennessee lifted their lockdowns on restaurants. So actually both of my my kids or they were adults at the time.

We got together and we drove over to Gatlinburg and spent you know a a long four or five day weekend in Gatlinburg just so we could go to a restaurant and that, you know, it was it was a getaway. And then my next escape was just a few weeks later. I went down for a riding excursion down in South Carolina. They had opened up. North Carolina was still firmly locked down. And then I began my what I

called my TPC Rd. trips and I started doing traveling during those lockdowns and going and and actually doing meet ups with my blog followers, podcast followers. And that was, I went to 28 states during the lockdowns just to get out of North Carolina. And so I could be with people and do that. And so that was that was really during during that time is when I changed my focus.

And and as I've explained to you in other interviews before I moved what had been the the music side of my life, which had been the captain, you know, had had basically occupied the captain's seat of my life for 40 years. And then I had been, you know, writing politically, especially

as my hobby. And then some other things I've I've, I've had things published in music magazines and I've I, I'm, I'm a bit of a sci-fi nerd and then primarily political analysis and commentary, that sort of thing. And so I've been, that was my, you know, basically a side hustle for over 20 years. And then I just switched seats. I moved my music career to the copilot seat.

I moved the writing gig and investigative journal journalism gig to the captain's chair and and that happened early or mid 2000 and that was the reinvention of my life at 60 years old. In music, there's. And I'm not a student of music theory, although I have at least two brothers that get it way better than I do. One of the things and tell me if this resonates with you, because I always found this to be one of those things. I was like, Oh my God, what kind of, what kind of people are

coming out of my house? My, my younger brother, my middle brother, is capable of being a professional musician. He's incredibly talented. He always has been. He, you know, was playing songs at five years old. He just would pick up the piano and go. And he did an interview with one of my brothers on, like a YouTube channel years and years ago.

That's like no one's ever seen. And he said, I knew I might have a little bit of a talent for music when I started understanding the mathematical relationship for the next notes that had to follow the ones that I had just played. And when he saw music as math and that they were, you know, mathematical problems that needed resolution. Do you see music in that way? I you know, I personally have and of course I understand that concept because it is, it is, it

is a mathematical equation. I've looked at it more as a language separate language than than a mathematical equation. But there's also another perspective to it that I think is very important to even what I'm doing now and to what my father was doing back you know, when he was still alive and and even 40 years ago when I would be, when I would come off the road from traveling with bands and then I would work for him in

his investigative firm. And the the correlation there is is being able to not only see multiple things at the same time because when you're reading music, you're not just reading one note a particular, you know, if you've ever seen organ music, it's it's incredible, you know, church Organism, it blows my mind because they're reading so many lines, they're they've got things going on with their left hand, their right hand, their feet and then they've got all of their buttons and stops and

pulls and all the things that they have to do. And all of this is notated in the music. And they had they learn to see it. Not only do they record what they're seeing, but they have to read ahead that you. You can't just read the note. If you just play the note when you see it, you're going to be behind all the other musicians. You will not be in time. So you have to learn to read ahead of a measure 2 measures or whatever tempo you're playing. Read ahead, save that.

Lock it in into your, you know your hard drive. And and you're scrolling it at the same time, so you're building essentially like a forward buffer of what's coming up next. Yeah, you can. You can make that analogous to you know, how the remember when CD players used to skip in a car and that. And then they came. Then they came up with the technology where it would read ahead and it would log in, you know a second 25 whatever it was doing.

And it would, it would, it would basically create that buffer so it had already read the notes or the, you know the music on your CD, your car CD player before you hit the bump And that way it it stops skipping and that's the way you have to read it.

And so consequently I think sometimes that has benefited me in a in a way that I see ahead while I'm doing what I'm doing and and I I can see in multi more layers than than the average person speaking the average language because that's what it is. It's a it's a musical language. It's very interesting to me that it's about predicting what's coming your way, which we have both done accurately. I think you and I have both done that.

I talked to guys like Mike Benz. He was a he was a chess player at a very high level and and chess players must see multiple

moves. So it doesn't matter what the the way that you learn how to predict potential you know future runs you have to be able to see that coming and and you and I in our first conversation adequately diagnosed that the only safe route is loud and public and that our safety like is is essentially we're we're dancing in the light and and and avoiding the shadow knowing the shadow was moving at us at all times and and you have that same experience you've you're even

when they are going to grab you which they did right they got a hold of you but even as the shadow grabs you you still know what the play is to find yourself coming back into that light where it Jags back away and and that's the only way that you're that's that's the the that's the play that's the

margin of safety that buffer. Zone Well that that and that's a that's a great point because as you know it's been well publicized that in the days leading up to me having to self present or self surrender as they described it they the the Department of Justice sent an e-mail to my attorney and said they wanted me to arrive at the FBI field office in Dallas wearing and I quote shorts AT shirt and flip flops and hell no that was not going to happen. No.

And I and I love that you were able to consult. The other thing is, is that this is how you play. Well, you don't just play by yourself. Most people don't play as a complete soloist. They're either doing a solo in the midst of a orchestral piece, right? And so we're doing this as a as

a team. It's very hard to get up and just sit down as a virtuoso and and send it something and it's also maybe less full than bringing in other members of a band or an orchestra and and we're assembling that that's that is what the the suspendables are if we're going to play that metaphor out so we have brain trust. I I ping my thoughts against you hey what do you think about this

move And you do the same. And so this is the one thing that I don't think the evil and I and there's no I'm not mincing words with this. This is evil that our government's engaged in in the same way that you saw evil in the Soviet Union. Real evil. Yeah. Banal though it may be. It's the banality of evil in so much as these are people just doing their job, just trying to get along.

I'm sure those agents who met you in Dallas, which we'll get to in just a second, they don't have any personal animosity towards you. No, they didn't. They didn't know you. They're you're just a guy. You're just the guy that they're arresting today. They're checking off that box. It's the stat. You're just they're just transporting. They're just the transport agents, right? That was it. That's all they were. No personal, no personal grievance towards you.

And yet, they're all part of this larger tapestry of doing really evil, evil work. I'm going to just remind people we're talking to Steve Baker right now. If you guys are just joining us and you had audio issues in the beginning, go ahead and move through that. I'm glad you're here. Make sure you hit the like button. Make sure you subscribe to the channel and you're following it. We will continue to stick with Steve's story because Steve's story is all of our story.

It's the story of the Free Press, which is the story of the 1st Amendment. And it's a story that if we do not defend our constitutional rights, then we have no rights. If we can't speak, the only other thing is action. I would far prefer the the speaking version. Can we can we tilt towards your handle which I'll I'll throw on the screen again. Will you tell people where that came from and and what it meant to you?

I know it morphed over the years and maybe kind of your maybe the evolution of your political thoughts as you've gone through this sort of experience too and and sort of slowly come into the investigative space. Yeah, I I grew up in what would be described as a, you know, conservative Republican voting family experience. All of my relationships, be they through church or otherwise, were largely conservative leaning, right leaning in their political viewpoint.

But of course back in Louisiana, back in the days that I was born, we all had to register. Even if you were conservative, you had to register as a Democrat because there was, it was, you know, the the solid South as they used to call it. The only people that won anything were Democrats in the the general elections. So you had to register to vote in the primary to try and get the most conservative of the Democrats that were what, you know, the Dixiecrats at the

time, you could find them. They were there and that that doesn't exist anymore. That all changed with Reagan. But the the bottom line is is so I was first registered as a Democrat and then after Reagan changed things and there was this massive departure of the Dixiecrats to the Republican Party by the thousands, by the way nationally, state, local and

and federal level. And then there were, I guess so I I registered as a Republican. I always knew that I was uncomfortable there as well, but it seemed like the safe haven until I got to the 90s. And it was, I think it was 90. It was 1998. I was at a financial conference in Aruba and the keynote speaker was a guy by the name of Ron Paul. And then I had my Eureka moment 'cause here was a guy with an R after his name strategically, but he certainly was not behaving as a Republican.

He was known as doctor. No, he voted against everything and he proudly told us that he couldn't get big money donors to support him and that every single time he ever ran for re election at for Congress, I think he served 11 terms I want to say. But every single time he ran for re election, the GOP ran a primary against him, another candidate against him and and he won every single time. And he said and that's without the support of my own party and

without the big donors, he said. Because I tell my constituents, if you send me to Washington, I'm not going to be bringing home the bacon. I'm not going to be diverting other people's resources to my district. That's what I'm against and it's either constitutional or it's not And one of the most, one of the most significant things that he said. And it really impacted me and I and I apologize. I don't remember the the cardinal's name but he was the the cardinal in New York.

He was dying of cancer and he was a revered figure. He, you know he had had a long career kept his nose clean and Congress struck a medal in his honor and and they voted. You know, it was, it was, it was the House and they voted 434 to 1. Give him this Congressional medal. The Cardinal New York, the one vote was Ron Paul that voted against it.

So Ron Paul sent the cardinal a personal letter and he said I did not vote against this medal because I don't have the same feelings of reverence towards and, you know, honor, extending the honor for your career and what you've done. He says I do, and I would like to say it even more loudly than everyone else. He said it's just the act of doing what we did there is not constitutional, That's not our job to honor and strike and honor people with medals.

So he's sending the personal letter of honor, to which then the cardinal responded before he died and told Representative Paul that his letter meant more to him than the medal itself, as it should be. Yeah and and that's the hardest thing I think for most people which is why I think your handle TPC for USA folks will see it on the screen when when you're back on solo again TPC for USA the pragmatic constitutionalist we can have all kinds of great ideas but it if it's not the

boundary, if it's not within the purview of government it it can't happen. We've gotten really soft on that it's not we're not playing the game of is this within the acceptable confines of government's authority. What we play is is the government doing the thing that I want right. And since the other side is going to play that game we might as well play it too. If they're going to take for themselves we must take for

ourselves. We've turned into a 0 sum game and unfortunately I think if you don't play that way right now too the. The consequences are also dire. So what's a man to do? I have. I have to take. Positions all the time politically, which piss off people on both sides of the

political aisle. And that's because I feel like that if we don't have, if look, if we're not a nation that is governed by, you know, the rule of law, the printed, written, it's very clear rule of law, then we are a nation of chaos. And that's where we are right now, and that's why we're so

polarized right now. That's why this nation is more divided than it's ever been in its history right now, right here, because neither side gives absolute adherence, loyalty and and conviction of their every single vote to the Constitution. And because of that, they treat it as a a flexible, malleable, you know, document. And it's not. It never has been, wasn't intended to be. But because of that, we have chaos.

Because, look, the court should know what this Bill of Rights says or this particular amendment says and what it was meant that we have. We have all that we need historically to understand why this was written. This is what this particular, even if it's even if the language is somewhat arcane, this is what this language meant. This is what the founders meant.

If we're going to change it and interpret it differently than what they meant and as it was originally intended, then there's the Article Five amendment process. All right, So we have to go through that. But instead, we have all manner of law, all manner of convictions, all manner of rulings taking place at the local level, the state level, the District Court level, and then it's then it at the appellate level. And they they, they rule differently.

Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Until it finally gets to the Supreme Court and you don't know, you have no idea what they're going to do with it. When it gets there, it's because there's not a nation. Yeah, we're not a nation. We are a nation of of the of the the whims of man right now. I did a podcast. For a Catholic vote, and one of the things we just talked about

was balance. And balance means that you know where the center point is, and we're not, we don't know where the center point is because the center point could be anywhere along a string. That has a lot of play in it, just not how it was written. Those words are finite, specific, and as you said, they were captured at a moment in time, they were written down. And if you want to change them, we can do that. We all have to agree. It turns out that we're going to do that.

And what a weird time to see that the so-called liberals that we grew up around seeing that that called themselves liberals, which comes from the base of freedom is the idea and they wanted the freedom of the of the individual. These people are attempting to vote away not just our rights but their own rights, their own civil liberties in favor of

government tyranny. Because the government's playing the game that they like, it's playing the tune that they like, but they can't see 5 sheets ahead in this in in the next movement. The next movement is they come for you too, which they actually do in real time. They're they're actually still going after people that the left would lionize, which is pretty, pretty incredible.

I think all of us have common cause looking at the, you know, whether you call it the Uniparty or the BLOB or anything else, it's really easy for us to look ahead and go that's. The bad guys. OK, the bad guys is the Empire. The rebels are the good guys. Now, as, as is always the case, the people who are resisting the sort of temporary movement of government to sort of overreach that blossoms into all of our space. And you've known that for a long

time. I've had that sense for quite a while, but I wasn't really a political guy. We're now stuck in this fight. Let's talk about the moment of January 6th, which I think was like a an emotional climax, even though it's continued to build it. It was a false climax because we dropped off a little bit and then we were still building again. Let's talk about what you were doing on that day specifically. Let people have no misconceptions about your take

on what you saw. We'll kind of keep it tight so we can get into the new developments. But I want people to understand where you were doing, what you were standing, the actions you undertook on that day, what you, what you perceived to be the case then and then since maybe we'll go there. Yeah, let's. Just start with the hardcore. Piss off both sides. Truth and reality of the fact is I went to January 6th not as a Trump supporter. I went there as a Trump skeptic

at the best. I had become a skeptic over the course of his actual presidency, which was a far better position for those who love Trump and like Trump and stand behind him and call yourself MAGA than I had in 2016. Because in 2016, I was hashtag Never Trump, and I was also hashtag, never Hillary. I voted for the Libertarian Party candidate, Gary Johnson at that time. And the reason why I didn't vote for the reason why I didn't vote

for Trump was simply this. He had been on all sides of every issue over the course of his career. Now, he had never held a political office, but he had never voted for anything. He had never been in a legislative job or capacity in civil service, and he had also never been in an executive. He'd never been a governor or mayor. So we had no idea how he would govern. But what we had is a guy that loves talking about political things and had for decades.

So we had him over the course of his career, not only being a Democrat for most of that of his lifetime, but then in the latter couple of years, switching to Republican. OK, that's good. You know, that can happen. It can also be a cynical play. But then again, because he had been on and it didn't matter, pick your issue, we could Google up. Or he had been on the other side of that issue at some point in his rhetoric and said it loudly. Yeah, yeah. And and that's.

That's just the reality of who he was. I I just couldn't vote for him. So I had him. I I had my own scorecard that I developed and and so I had him scored it as zero because I didn't know. I just didn't know after four years of governance and coming out of the because like he particularly handled or should I say he handled the COVID crisis particularly poorly. But coming out of that I had him at about 5050 this.

So I mean that was acceptable considering that the alternative was Biden, who I had about a -15, right, my scorecard. So I I felt like at this, this time, I had no choice but to vote for for Trump in 2020, which I did. And so moving into January 6th, there was the controversy about the the election and had it been stolen and and I was following and tracking all of that. I had not taken a position on it in any of my writings, articles, columns or or you know, social

media post at all. But I was watching it and I was asking questions about it. I was seeing things with my own eyes that other people were seeing and I had questions and I can see the math and I'm pretty good at math and I knew that there were some serious anomalies taking place. And so when he announced that there was going to be a rally in DC on, he announced that on December 19th and he said it was going to be wild. And I just, I put it on my calendar. I was actually out doing my TPC

road trip at the time. I was traveling around the country, and so I actually made it home by a New Year's Eve, actually arrived home from AI think I've been out on the road for about two months at that point. Got home on New Year's Eve time to wash clothes and recharge my batteries. And then I joined a colleague, A fellow writer, a political writer who has been very

successful. He's he's written political books, he's written for columns for some of the major online publications as well as he was a ghost writer for Rush Limbaugh for 2 1/2 years. And so he and I decided to ride together up from Raleigh, NC, where we both live. And so we got up there the night before, we met a couple of other colleagues and we had, you know, our nice evening in the hotel room on the evening of the 5th with some adult beverages.

And then he and I and split apart from our other two colleagues and the next morning after breakfast went to we Uber down to the Washington Monument lawn. I had my backpack with a tripod and my man on the street microphone and the extra batteries and all that that I needed. I fully intended on setting up on the street corner after the speeches.

This was my goal in finding out what the people thought about the speeches, especially if somebody on the stage that day, Trump or one of his opening acts unleashed the Kraken that day, which that never happened, right? Which was constantly being. Threatened. Right, Right. So there.

Was nothing new learned? And as a cynic or a critic or a skeptic about Trump, anyway, I was analyzing it through my I think we're fair, you know, critical eyes willing to be as I, as I did over the four years of his presidency, I went from hashtag never Trump to hashtag good trump, hashtag bad Trump on an issue by issue, statement by statement, you know, action by action basis. It was, it was just that and and again through that constitutional lens.

And so by the time we were halfway through this, through his speech, and he was an hour late taking the stage and we had already heard the the, the prior speeches that I and my colleague decided that there was nothing coming. The Kraken was not going to be unleashed. And we knew that there were other events scheduled at the Capitol that day, by the way, legally permitted events signed by the Capitol Police on the Capitol property that day, which

is to say. That there was a predictable, it was a predictable algorithm to say that they were going to be a certain number of people outside to the US Capitol. And when you have predictable numbers of people, then you usually take predictable steps to enforce law and order and protect. And this is the real key, because I was part of this and I know what it looks like. You're supposed to protect the civil liberties of everyone by making sure things don't get out of hand.

And that means having people in the crowd, which I have been one of those people in the crowd. I was on that crowd on January 20th of 2017. You try to make sure the people that want to throw fire bombs and burn the Secret Service director's car are moved from the equation so the rest of the people can have whatever it is they want to do, scream about Trump, celebrate Trump, all this kind of moment, these are all

supposed to happen. So it's worth noting that these were permitted and there's no negotiation on whether that happened or not because it did. Yeah, and and. In the larger picture, this is amazing. Nobody knows this unless you're you know January 6th geek like myself and as I've been forced into becoming is there were actually 82 permits for what they call First Amendment permits that day from all the various agencies and departments and policing agency 82. That's a lot permits that day.

And the other thing and let I get unless you are tracking these things very close, is that the Department of Defense both then SEC def acting SEC def Miller, as well as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Millie at the time they both wanted to cancel all they had their Intel told. Them. They needed to cancel all First Amendment protest applications, permits and events that day and close the city down. They knew what was coming.

And of course that. Information had been passed along and weirdly enough, and as I've shared with. Trump's investigators, it was not declared an NSSE, which is a standard thing that happens when you're going to have a big event. And NSSE is a national special security event, which DC has many, you know, they have multiple times of this being declared per per year on a regular basis, including state of the Union and you know, big parades and stuff. And they didn't do that.

So we know that all this information was percolating in the background, that there are steps that could have been taken in order to go after the the people that wanted to cause problems. There are normal steps that mitigate this. And that's how you get everybody involved from the Department of Energy to the FBI, all the DOJ assets, the Capitol Police who are not very great. And then you've got DC Metro, which actually has a pretty good riot squad because they deal with it all the time.

All these things could have been done and then we know they weren't. Let's Fast forward right up to the thing Who drew first blood on that day? First blood was. Definitely drawn by the nefarious actors in the crowd. Now, whether you want to call them MAGA or you want to call them agents provocateur, Whether you want to call them Antifa, whether you want to call them the feds, and as they say, the Fed surrection. We know who drew first blood. It was not the Capitol Police.

First blood was by the people on the other side of the of the bike rack barricades staring at every one of them which said and had signs on them that said closed area. And I mean it was very specifically spelled out. Bike racks were up. Every single piece of bike rack had closed area sign on it and when they decided that it was time to push over, they did and they launched themselves into

the undermanned police line. There was only half a dozen cops there at that first breach point and they worked their way, ran up to the second bike rack barricade they breached. That actually was a a black fence. It was a kind of a semi permanent fence that in a black like aluminum fencing that had been put up for the inaugural event that was coming a couple of weeks later and they breached that and they came up to the the lower W Terrace.

There the Capitol Police formed yet a third line without the bike racks and then suddenly they were bringing bike racks over and more of the cops were at this time. Now Metro is beginning to arrive, and they're starting to arrive and and provide reinforcements to Capitol Police, which had been already thinned out by a couple of pipe bomb warnings. So that's another story, as we

know all unto itself. And and so at some point just before my arrival to the Capitol, because I turned on my camera by the metadata at exactly 1:19 PM, Trump had just left the stage 3 minutes earlier. He left the stage at 1:16 PM because we, my, my colleague and I, we we left about halfway through Trump's speech and started working our way over to the Capitol and again.

And the purpose was to get ahead of the crowd so that, you know, we could there's already 10s of thousands of people were peeling off. It was cold. It was windy. People wanted to move. And there was no, there was no meat coming from the staging there at the Ellipse. So it was, it was let's go on to the Capitol and see what's going on over there. And and we saw from the West side of the reflection pool there on the West side of the Capitol, something was

happening. First of all, we could hear a lot of sirens, I mean a lot of sirens working their way to the Capitol building itself because that first breach was at about 12:52 PM, 12:53 somewhere in there. And and then that went off on the radio, went off on the United States Capitol Police radio comms, you know, which you've had. Ears on, correct I've I've heard. All nine hours? A 9 1/2 hours of both com one and com two. Was that my noise? Yeah, it was. I liked it. Good punctuation.

There. Yeah. You know what? I haven't. I haven't heard you say. What's that? I haven't. Heard you say. That there were miles and miles of eight foot tall anti scale fencing which is used to repel people in events and happened to be available a few days later for Biden's inauguration. When I was driving around in there, I actually have my badge still hanging up on the wall, my access pass for the

inauguration. There were miles of fencing that were set up and that's what they use for, yeah. Any. NSSE, all the state of the unions have them. It's standard protocol. Where was that instead of? Where was that in relation to the bike racks? Well, the. The the unscalable fencing was actually discussed as an option instead of the bike rack as well. And then additionally there were another. Oh God, I forget how many they said.

But there were there were another 4000 racks over in the across the street from the building, exactly across the street in the Fairchild building from the DNC. And of course when the pipe bomb was discovered there, that building was blocked off and they could not bring additional bike racking reinforcements over to the capitol. And they were actually already had the trucks. They're ready to start hauling them over. Bike racks are not particularly. Effective for stopping people as

we saw in that day. But what's interesting, the anti scale fencing, if anyone's ever seen it, it's 8 feet tall, it's chain link, it's usually rubber coated chain link in black. It it goes up, you know, 8 feet, but it has a pivot on it so that as you pull it comes back towards you at about a 15 or 20° angle. So you can lower it to about 7

feet. But now you're climbing up against yourself and most people basically don't have the the forearm strength, the body strength to get themselves over and then they'd have to do some kind of a weird pull up and it's wobbly. So it's really, really unstable. It's it's what keeps people from going over the top of it. There are ways you can concentrate and do it, but it's not easy. And they've got a ton of it.

In DC they, I don't know how many miles they have, but I saw West Germany, West Germany, East Germany. Between the two days, January 6th, you could go anywhere you wanted. January 20th, you couldn't go anywhere. You were absolutely locked down. They were checkpoints, armed checkpoints with National Guardsmen. So it's it's. And we could revisit Kyle, you and I could revisit this and the particulars of this all day long today.

I mean we could go all day talking about the background information of what was happening just like this. There were miles of this unscalable fencing we have. We we know beyond any shadow of a doubt about what was discussed with regards to the National Guard deployments that day. We know everything and everybody that discussed it, we know. Ultimately, the only thing we don't know is why were they not deployed on Moss at the right time before things got out of hand? And and and we.

We we know who. Denied it. We know who why they said that they denied it. We know that even after Chief's son start calling for it after the attacks began, that even then he was being stonewalled. He was being stonewalled by the Sergeant at ARM saying we're going to have to run it up the chain. And they didn't get approval until 70 minutes later after the first breach. But even after the approval, they didn't show up till 5:30. You know why?

I captured it on my camera when they arrived? And also that's typical. Government, right. It's like, yeah, it's not like the government is a nimble organization and none of the, none of the government operators are nimble in any way, shape or form. So there's no expectation that that was going to happen quickly. All right, first blood protesters or provocateurs or, and that's not the subject of today, let's. Let's sort of. Push through the story if people want to hear this.

By the way, folks, you can hear hours and hours of Steve and I talking on this channel and I highly encourage you to go back and listen to the first three hours. It was the first time that I really met Steve and we didn't have the camaraderie or friendship that we have. We didn't have the common cause at that moment. And so we just were two guys talking about what he saw. And I didn't know it. Now I I know I have a pretty good sense of what Steve has seen, at least in his sort of

boiled down version. You you went through the Capitol. Blaze has put out video, right. Exculpatory, I would say, of you walking around and you're just standing there, the most boring man in the Capitol. Is that what? Is that what the video is entitled? Yeah. That. That's exactly. It. I mean, I I had several different people who have interviewed me, either Blaze host or or others who have said that it was the, you know, 37 minutes of the most boring video they've ever seen.

But they were utterly compelled to keep watching it. It was one of the. I think because it was. So you know what? You remember what Tucker when he rolled out his first videos from the the 41,000 hours of Capitol Police. CCTV archives of January 6th and he came under so much criticism because they said he cherry picked only you know the the the safe moments or the good moments or the. No he didn't. He was just showing the other side.

It's not cherry picking we by the time he showed his videos there had already been over 2 years of mainstream SIOP on the entire country. Mass formation psychosis, because the only thing that they showed was those two or three hundred violent provocateurs and their actions. That's all we saw for two years. And that and then.

It's it's incredible because the the footage is, it's the same footage You're like, oh, they're just looping the same guy throwing the same punch over and over, The same guy yelling the same insults, right from a different angle. Sure. Because. Because there's hundreds of cameras capturing everything that was happening at every event or every instance of violence. And so we got to see it over and

over and over ad nauseam. And so all he did was just show a few moments, probably no more than 15 or 16 minutes of alternate view. And the left freaked out completely. He's cherry picking. No, he's just showing the other side. And I think the reason why my boring 37 minutes inside the Capitol was so compelling is that it was so different from what everybody has seen for three years and your story, I would. Have to imagine. Is more common. Than the violent story by

numbers. The number of people that showed up, whatever it was, couple 100,000 people were outside of January 6th. A lot of people's story doesn't even make it on the camera. It's guy standing there talking, you know, smoking a cigarette, high fiving goes home. That story we've never seen, but there's hours and hours and hours of individuals with that story. Then there's people that came into the Capitol and they and they walked around and they did what you did.

We could probably do a 37, you know, somewhere between a 3 minute because some people walked in and walked right back out. They walked out the same door. They were like, no, that's not what I'm here for. There are some people that 3 minutes, some people 37, maybe some people were 90 minutes that we're just walking around hands in the air and then they're back out again as well. You could track that for probably the vast majority of the people that went through the Capitol.

Doesn't make it right. I'm not saying one way or another, I'm just saying that it was utterly uneventful for most people. Hence the four charges they hit you with. That's right. And and. Of course, the four charges are always they're they're hyperbolic in and of their in

and of themselves. Because the you know better than I do is that one of the things that is just modus operandi of of Department of Justice is, is to overcharge in order to exact a quick plea deal out of the the defendant. They can, they can get their credit for, you know, their career advancement, they're notching their gun belt and they can move on. So they try to scare you with the a list of charges that are not. Supportable by the. Evidence in any way, shape or

form. I mean, look, you saw what my tweet was last night. My tweet was very clear. I said I I actually, you know, gave the law as it relates to journalists entering a restricted space. This includes credentialed journalist. It doesn't matter if your if your credential says New York Times, Washington Post or congressional gallery, which I

have that one. I know what the rules are related to that and yet we. Have a long, long history in this country of journalists following the news where it is. And so we may have some black letter law, which we talked about the flexibility in the law that continues to exist. There's what the law is and says, which we can all agree on is there. And yet then there's the way

that it's actually enforced. And the fact of the matter is, is that if there are people that are destroying the US Capitol and breaking things, which there are there, there, there were on that day, then that is the priority of justice. That's the priority of law enforcement. Law enforcement tends to almost, almost exclusively overlooked journalists because it's like, why? This is not the fish we're here for. We're trying to stop the behavior.

We're trying to affect an outcome that's for the public good. We don't care who you are. If you weren't involved in the thing, if you were just walking around by, like get out. You know, we're here for the people that were throwing punches, that were burning things that were breaking stuff. And this, by the way, I'm not talking about January 6th. I'm talking about all civil unrest moments. We have a limited amount of time on this earth, and so does the Justice Department.

They have a finite amount of resources. So they focus on whoever the offenders are in order to try to stop it from future. That's the they're not trying to get, you know, recompense for the American people. That's nonsense. They never do that. Think about the big scams that are out there and the big frauds. Like they never get all the money back, right? It's not about that. It's trying to prevent. Future bad behavior. It's like, well, that sucked. That was bad.

How do we make sure that a Bernie Madoff doesn't do that again? How do we make sure that, you know, fill in the blank person doesn't commit that crime again? Maybe they'll be intimidated because we're going to go after this person. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's the opposite of what happened for January. 6th you're you're experiencing something very different. Well, this. Is this is the this is what the

law says? I mean this is what and as I was explaining is it doesn't matter what your credential said unless you have or as I say an exigent circumstance. Which means, unless law enforcement allows you to be behind a police line or in a restricted space for capturing information, photography, news, that would be in the public's interest, certainly up and until the point where you're actually interfering with their job and their duties.

At the time of clearing out the bad, the bad guys, then they typically look the other way and allow you in. And by the time I reached the upper terrace that day, there are were already hundreds of people who had preceded me through that doorway and those broken windows. And I have on my own camera every there was not a cop at the door, not one, not ten, not 20. That's an important decision.

And they're all. Standing off to the side, either talking on their phones, texting, which I didn't have a problem with either because they've been in battle for a couple of hours or probably and they know their wives are seeing this back home and they're, you know, they're texting their wives saying, hey, I'm, I'm, I'm OK, Yep.

And let me let me just. Interject on that, having been in the middle of weird things, having a spouse at home who's watching all the live streamers on YouTube, trying to figure out is my husband involved in this chaos? Because I've been there. I've been in that chaos. And you you send that text. First of all, when you're in it, you're not looking to go like, oh, I better tell my wife what I'm doing. You're like, oh, I better make sure that nobody stabs me in the back.

I better make sure nobody, you know, Pepper sprays me and takes my gun or whatever that thing has to happen. And then when you get that minute, you put your back to a wall and yeah, you grab your phone and you send that text. Hey, honey, I'm good. It's real crazy. Lots of stories to tell you later. I hope you're doing well. You know, See you soon. Should should. Be done at this time or I? Don't know when this is going to end. I might be home tomorrow, might be late, whatever.

Yeah, that's normal. I I had no. Problem with that analysis in my personal frame by frame review of my own video that I did in the days following January 6th and the but the point was is that they're offering no resistance. There's no warnings coming from them at all telling people not to go in.

And so after hundreds of people had preceded me, I followed the crowd and I followed the story where the story went, not even knowing Kyle, that dozens of other credentialed journalist had also crossed that line and had entered into that restricted space. This is the broader. Bigger picture that I want to keep hammering home. We talked about it yesterday little bit. The weirdness of the FBI going into my credit report is a one

off thing. I am a former FBI agent who knows what could happen to me. The problem is, is that can be moved at scale to anyone, including you, including the people watching our chat, people who are listening to this podcast, because when you have selective prosecution and they are looking for outcomes. We are not living in a Democratic Republic that picks representative to do the right thing. And then we have this agnostic government just saying, well, this is fair and this is not.

This is black, this is white, This is on the left side of the law. This is on the wrong side of the law. We're going to take you in. That's not what we're seeing. What we saw was journalists who did the same thing you did treated materially differently based on how they reported it, where they reported it and what they reported about it. And those are not, those are not American principles. So it doesn't matter if you agree with what Steve Baker says or saw.

And by the way, I agree with Steve only because I think Steve saw more than any of you did. Doesn't matter if you're listening to this, There is very little chance that anybody can say they've stood in that room and seen the cameras. And I can imagine you standing there with the fourplex, as you explained, watching and speed up time every single angle of the Capitol Police footage of every angle of the Capitol on that

day. Nobody's done the way that you've done it. I know that because I know what kind of like, I know that you're a dog with a bone on this thing and you know that's where your safety lays is telling the truth. So if if people want to look at this and go, it doesn't matter whether you're looking at the face act violation. Sorry, I'm pontificating for a second. But I'm going to keep, I'm going

to keep hammering this home. It doesn't matter if we're looking at the face act or people destroying pro-life pregnancy centers and crisis pregnancy. When the government says these people are on the right side of the law, no matter how it's written and these people are on the wrong side, we're only going to go after the people that we don't like. We are not living in a free

society. This is the reason for the movie Police State. This is the reason why that warning comes out and it hits home. It's not a conservative position. It's an American position. And as you said, you voted for and against Trump. I am the same way. I also, I also was a Gary Johnson guy in 16. I also saw that Trump had a better outcome, 5050 versus -15 with Biden. It's real simple.

If you're calling balls and strikes, if you are not trying to be emotionally involved in it, and I refuse to be part of that. I'm interested in outcomes and I think that's the same thing that we share. This is the thing that my buddy Bongino talks about. If you're interested in outcomes, you look at what people's performance is and the outcome is the government's only going after one group. They are seeking an outcome.

They're not allowed to do that. Political parties, yes, sure, that's what political parties do. The. Moment you ex posted and then Steve and then Garrett showed that FBI had ran your credit reports at the time of your suspension. Not, you know at the time of your hiring. Yes, I went, My God, show me the man. I'll show you the crime. That's what they're looking for. Now this. Is Soviet era. This is Soviet, Soviet era evil that we're facing right now.

And that is exactly what they were doing with you guys. That's exactly what they're doing with me. It's exactly what they have been doing for three years. With me is looking for that kill shot to charge me with a felony. At the end of the day there was 2. There's two primary reasons why they waited 2 1/2 years, more than 2 1/2 years after the first time the FBI contacted me before they finally charged me with a crime.

The first reason is, is that we were quite successful with the press beating them back we had, even as even when I was an independent 2 1/2 years ago, I was still more successful than any other declared defendant that was going to be charged at the new in advance in making waves to back them down and go, oh crap, we're going to have to deal with APR Battle as well. This is not going to be something we can do in the background and do behind, you know, the the the curtain.

And so that backed him down. And so then they spent another two plus years trying to find that felony. And that was proven in August of last year when I got a grand jury subpoena for my January 6th video videos. And the the the thing that makes us know that that was for me and not for my videos that that they had the grand jury investigating me was the fact that we had already offered my videos to the FBI cooperatively 2 years prior. So that was not, I mean that was

not an issue. I mean, Special Agent Craig Noyles could have called me up and said, hey, we're ready to, you know, take a look at your videos now. I'd have either drop box them to him or taking him a flash drive cooperatively at the time. And then we get a grand jury subpoena And everybody from my lawyers to other legal affairs journalists, they all went, yeah, they're looking at you now and and so grand juries are not seated for misdemeanor crimes.

They are only there to investigate felonies. So somebody. At the Department of Justice. FBIUS attorneys, somebody presented to the grand jury a case to get me on a felony, and apparently the grand jury said sorry, don't see it, no true bill. No. And by the way, that doesn't. Happen. Do you know that have? You had that conversation. Yeah, I, yes, let let me just, let me just blow the audience mind just a little bit.

I would say that when a federal agent goes and sits to testify for an indictment in front of a federal grand jury, that the success rate is well over 99%. Because you got it. You show up there because you have the goods. And I can guarantee you they thought they had the goods on Steve Baker when they went in there. And a jury of a grand jury of your peers, theoretically just a bunch of people who get called together and a grand jury just isn't paneled. And then they just bring a bunch

of cases. They go, OK, now we got this case here, and this is we're looking for a felony indictment for 9/22. This guy was an unlawful possessor of a firearm. He's a felon. Here's the story. Here's a criminal rap sheet. OK, Agent Seraphin, can you tell me about this guy? He's like, yeah, according to police reports, on this day, he put the gun at his girlfriend. He had the gun in his hand. Girlfriend recognized it as a gun that he had stolen calling,

blah blah blah. Then they go OK, then you walk out and then they just vote and they vote whether they're going to return a true bill or not, they think they've got it. It's usually a slam dunk. Grand jury is easy. We can. Indite a ham. Sandwich. You can indite a ham sandwich. But what that means is, is that all I need to do is present unless people understand, you know, there has to be facts, but I don't have to present any exculpatory information.

All I need to say is Steve Baker was there on the Capitol. He did these things. We believe he engaged in this particular felonious activity. And here's the evidence of it with no mitigating circumstances. And then the people go, oh, yeah, well, there's enough there for us to indict him, which means that we will try him and see if it's beyond a reasonable doubt. It's a very low standard to indict. They couldn't even get that because people looked at it and

they went, why? I don't think so. Whatever. Whatever felony they wanted to get after you with, the evidence wasn't there. They couldn't show it. Even with snippets and cherry picking, it couldn't. It couldn't be exposed to regular people looking at something reasonably going OK, because there's just pictures of Steve walking around and texting and picking videos and being in the corner and not lifting.

You know, he's not running off of the lectern and he's not knocking over the the ropes and he's not, you know, graffitiing his name on George Washington's photo or painting or anything like it. Just that's just not it. It's really hard to fail at that indictment. Yeah. And and. You know that's when they're. Supposed to walk away, Steve. That's when they're supposed to walk away and say we don't have it right. I'm.

I'm working. Without notes today, as you are and as as you and I should be, I think you and I adlibbing is stronger than anybody working off notes. But the one thing we don't want to forget today is to go through the process of particularly my pretrial restrictions that I'm operating under right now. But just send it, yeah, let people know. What? What they've put on you? Yeah, this is a big.

This is a. Big part of this story is that when they finally came through with the four charges, when I finally knew what they were, I publicly admitted that I drunk, tested or texted Special Agent Craig Noyes and I actually said to him, I said 4 misdemeanors. Seriously, is that all you got, man? And. So I was taunting him. Yeah. And so one of my pretrial restrictions, the one that I'm most proud of, is that I can no longer text my FBI agent.

It is in the court. Documents naming him do not text your FBI. Agent Can I text him? Yeah, I suppose. You can but as well I. I am. I am actually not. It was read in court twice. It was read in Dallas and it was read in DC Both my hearings there that I could no longer text Special Agent Craig Noyes. You know what's funny is? They shouldn't do stuff like that. That's the Streisand Effect in action. Because that makes me want to text Craig and be like, what's

up bro? Why are you giving money to Democrats? They hate you. Now everyone else does too. What a dumb. What a dumb move. You don't have to say anything about him. I just, I think it's so sad the minute that you let. The minute that you decide that. You're going towards an outcome. You're the bad guy in federal law enforcement. That doesn't mean everybody in the FBI is a bad guy. I I have friends that are still there. I'm not mad at them, all of them. I'm mad at some of them.

But it's super disappointing to think that the tribe that I thought I was joining and I use the word tribe because that's how it is. It's it's a tribe. You're either in or you're out and I'm out. It's very disappointing to see those people act in a way that is not the coming of the thing that I signed up to be part of.

And the other really interesting irony is I joined a circle of brothers or a family friendship group that is bonded by values and by behavior and by demonstrable character on

accident. By getting kicked out of the FBI, I actually found that the group that I was looking for, I said that the other day with Steve with Steve friend and with Garrett producer Phil. And there's a couple of others that are out there in the background that that operate and know and you're one of them and and I found this other this, it's it's not a tribe because tribes. You're just born into the tribe, right? Tribes are are, circumstance, locality, affiliation, the right

paint. This is, this is like a fraternity, a fraternity of brothers. That said, these are the values. This is the code that we're going to live by. It just turns out that we all had that code and I accidentally found it because we all did the same thing. We looked at it and we said this is wrong. I'm not into it. I'm going to just speak the truth. The truth, the reason why they have such a hard time with you, Steve, it's because you're not coming from this political

ideal. You're not saying, hey, I'm Steve Baker, I'm J6 Patriot, which, you know, like. Like. Like Jake Lang is out there doing who? I won't go on his show because he has a podcast from jail. That guy is a snake. There's something going on there. We know all kinds of stuff in the background, folks. I'll. I'll substantiate this another time, I promise you. But you're not doing that. What you're saying is here's what's true. Here's what's not true. Here's what the questions are.

Why are journalists not following them? Oh, they're not. I will. I will do investigative work. You have made me give up music to be an investigator, to follow in my father's footsteps at this lady. You know, the second movement or third movement in my life as I go on and I'm doing the same. It's like we're going to talk about the truth. Yeah, wherever it. Goes. However inconvenient it might be, and I I've said that from. Day one, about January 6th. I don't care who the people were

that drew first blood. I don't care. It doesn't matter. I don't care if it was a. Mag, I don't care if it. Was Antifa. I don't care if it was a Fed. I don't care, right? But. I'm, I'm going. To find out who, I'm going to find out who lit that fire that day, and I actually already know, but that's another story. Did you hear that? What was the? Timestamp on this I should look. Over at the. Timestamp. That's that's fun.

It is fun. But I but I have a legal object obligation to connect all the dots to put all tie all the

threads together. Put all the pieces of the puzzle together in order to present this to the American people when we are done with this and you know look this is this is not a brag but I'm just going to tell you and you and your audience point blank the first time I ever had the opportunity to meet with a representative Barry Loudermilk and his staff and I do believe that they're doing good work. Are are they going too slow. Yeah.

By our all, all measurement and all perceptions, is it going too slow? Yet people's lives are getting, are still being ruined. Every day lives have been destroyed and people are spending decades in prison because Congress has not intervened. But I also now know more about what they're up against and who they're up against and why the progress is delayed.

And the first time that I met with he and his full staff in his office at the conference table and we spent an hour and 15 minutes in that first meeting. And we stood up. Getting ready to leave, saying our closing lines and shaking hands. And Loudermilk said to me, he said, you know, he said, we've been working on this for two years trying to put the jigsaw puzzle together, but we didn't have the top of the box.

And if you've ever done a jigsaw puzzle, that's what you referenced in order to put the pieces together. And he said, today you brought us the top of the box. And. What? So when I say I know who was on the Star Chamber. That set this up. When I tell the Department of Justice, FBI, Capitol Police leadership right here on your show today that I know, who sat on the Star Chamber that framed the Oath Keepers, I know, and I'm going to put the remaining

pieces of the puzzle together. And then when I do. We'll run it through legal at The Blaze and we'll release it. Yeah, When people. People, some of. Our chat was like, what do you mean you don't care about who drew first blood? The fact of the matter is you're not emotionally committed to an outcome. You don't have to go search that what you care about is what happened, right? That's correct.

No. If I if I was emotionally or politically motivated by who drew first blood, well then I would pick my team, my side, my tribe, and then I would blame the other side, right? That's why I. Don't care. I don't. It doesn't matter to me. I mean, and I I say this with all sincerity. I don't care if the order came from Trump's desk itself. I don't care that. It just matters what is true. Yeah, I I I. And I will tell you right now, it didn't. Yeah, no, I'm sure I already. Told you I know.

Where the order came from? Yeah, it did not come from his desk. Sure. But I didn't know that 2. Years ago, which is why you start off. With whatever anybody. If you If you don't understand how to bring an investigation forward, whatever it is that you think is true, you should try to disprove it. It's the only way to do that. Whatever appears to be correct, whatever the you know, this is the easiest way to to do a felony investigation. These are the elements of the crime.

This is the person who's gone out there and we believe did it. Let's see if we can disprove it. Can we can we do, can we find exculpatory evidence? Because if we can, then this case is weak. Yeah. But if all you keep coming up with is affirmations that move you towards more felony information, more evidence that the crime took place in the way that it did, that you believe it did, you're like, OK, fine, got it. I can't disprove myself. I don't think anybody else can

do it either. Then we bring the case. And in the case of your indictment, which is why it's so shocking, they brought whatever it is that they thought without being conflicting, they didn't have to even go and try to disprove it. They just said here, can we can we find any evidence that shows that it happened and they couldn't even get that done? This is the weakness of our DOJ right now, but that's what weaponized government looks like. They're looking for an outcome.

You're looking for an answer. That's the difference. Outcomes or answers? You only really get to pick two. You can either go out there and find out what the truth is, capital T, this is what happened and my closest human approximation of it in all our imperfections. Or you can say I have an answer that I'd like to arrive at. I wonder if I can prove it. I wonder why that's so. Hard for so many to understand. It's because it's it's the

simplest concept I know. I'm either looking for an outcome because I'm predisposed to a particular answer or I'm looking for the truth. That's it. And I I am not looking for an outcome in this you know three-year plus investigation that I've been involved with. Right now I am looking for the truth and it the the the the picture is is becoming clearer and clearer.

You know it's it's becoming more and more into focus with every passing month as I work through this and put the pieces of those puzzles together and I will I will tell you Kyle that the most and and you're you've already you've already dealt with this before. I did. But since my I keep I hate calling it an arrest. You know. Yeah technically it was an arrest. That's how they started it. I know. And I hate calling it that.

Because hey. They. They. Contacted us, you know, by phone and said, hey, you know, pick a day and we'll work with you on your day. And even that though, I mean. The the fact of the matter is arrest. What does it equal? What is that? That means you are no longer free to go. You have been arrested, which means you've been stopped in the forward progress of your life, and you've now been taken into

custody, which all happened. And then they have detained you against your will, not because you were excited, Even if you voluntarily went there. You didn't say. Well, Kyle, you know what I think I'm going to do today? I'm going to turn myself into the FBI and see if they they chained me up and March me around and put me in a cell with a meth head. No, that's not what you chose to do. So those are all. That's what an arrest is. You, don't you?

What you're what you're settling on there is that sort of survivor's guilt. You didn't have the same experience of someone kicking down your door. Yeah, maybe. Maybe there's. A touch of that, but but where I was going with that is probably interconnected. Is that because of the nature of my arrest, the crazies are coming out of the woodwork like that. I'm the Fed now. I'm the you know I'm running a SIOP I, you know the the the Blaze Mormon mafia. The Blaze Proud Boy mafia.

I mean, you can't believe all of the ways that this is being characterized right now, because I can. Oh yes, you can I. Know you can. Do you know where this comes from though, Steve and? I'll I'll let you finish that shot in one SEC. But let me just give the audience a taste of what I think

this happens. What happened is in 2020 we had an unbelievable weird reaction to something that has never happened before and people lost faith in institutions, including churches, the media, the government and law enforcement. And when they lost that faith in institutions, when those anchors chains were cut, they had two choices. I don't believe anything from anybody. I am now a skeptic permanently and I think that's where you and

I landed. The alternative was I now believe anything that I think because nobody else can tell me what to think and whatever. I and Steve Baker is a Fed and Kyle Serafin is a fed because I feel like it, because it feels good to say it, because I'm emotional and I don't have any sort of facts. But I don't need facts anymore. Facts are not the world we live in.

So when we when we take facts out of the equation, then people can do one of two things, not trust anything or trust whatever's in their head, which is not a good thing to do. There's, there's, basically. Three types of attacks that I'm facing right now. The first one is actually one I can understand and I can empathize with.

Sympathize with is the fact that there are other January 6th defendants who have been treated far worse than I've been treated who have been completely abused by the system. Their their rights have been trampled upon. You know, there's there's been no desire by the Department of Justice to adhere to anything resembling a recognition of of, you know, the due process and. And some of those people. Are a little bit red assed at me because I've gotten more

attention now than anybody else. I've gotten more attention. My my arrest alone ultimately had more views, more hits, more clicks than the entirety of the five month Proud Boys trial, then the entirety of the nine week Oath Keepers trial. You want to tell people why that is? Because I have. I I know why it is. But you may not. Maybe you don't. Maybe you don't. Haven't thought about it? No. I'll tell you what.

Let's. I'll hold on to reasons number two and three while you run it, run us through that, OK, the reason. That Steve Baker's arrest and his prosecution has gotten as much notoriety as it has are twofold thing. Number one the. DOJ was working up to a Steve Baker attack, so they built it up on their own by waiting as long as they did and saying they were going to do something and not doing it and giving evidence

for that. That made it obviously politically motivated because they said they were going to do something, didn't follow through on it until it was appropriate, and they felt like they had enough steam head behind them to do it. And the second reason is because of the work put in, which is primarily you specifically determining that your fate is going to be reliant on your survival and your ability to do what you're doing. Which means a ton of sweat equity went into that particular

situation. You spent a ton of time on the ground. You continue to do the work, not looking for outcomes, but looking for answers. And you went after it hard, hard, hard, every single day, every day. This is what you and I talk about when we speak. There are there's one story on your mind and you got your single focus on that. That singularity of focus and clarity was what?

Drove. Your story over the top because nobody else did more work on their own behalf than you did on your behalf to try to stay on the right side. And it turns out it also benefits America. That's the that's the the dual benefit. It wasn't just self-serving, even though it you know, it does serve your purposes. No, you're.

You're you're right about that they they probably DOJ probably rused the day that they did not go ahead and arrest me in November of 21 when they first lit me with the rest they were shocked by the amount of press coverage that I got then and they they backed off and and we didn't hear from them for 20 months but the the next the next thing is let me just finish up the thought there on on that first group is that first group has I I understand them and I understand why they are like.

Dude, they locked. Me in solitary confinement for 5 1/2 months before I finally got anybody to listen to me or I didn't have I I couldn't even get a lawyer for six days or, you know, and I got here, I got six of them standing behind me. You know, I I get it. I understand it.

And so my intention, and I'm, I'm saying this in every single interview I do now, is that my intent is to use this light that is being shown on my case to reflect that back on the abuses of FBIDOJ at all towards those that who were in fact more egregiously abused. And I have been through this process. You need to crack. The armor before you can breakthrough it, right? And and you are are you have an opportunity to crack it. So you're taking it and I think that's important.

The the the second group of people are those who have sent me over a two year period. Their ideas, their they, you know, they have, they have leads. They have theories. Maybe even they have what they think is evidence. And they will send me these and long emails about a certain character January 6th.

Or, you know, maybe it's one of the agencies or it's somebody in the Department of Justice or somebody at the Capitol Police or whatever the case may be. And then I when when I agree to look at it, you know it's compelling enough through their presentation to me, through a a Facebook or an XDM that I'll I'll agree to look at it. And then they'll send me all of

their data over. And then when I don't find or I can't see what they think they see and I don't pursue it as a story for myself or the Blaze or whatever, then they get mad at me and then they get angry. They're angry to the point of then accusing me of being controlled opposition. Oh oh, you didn't see what I saw. That must mean you're participating in the cover up. That's the second group of people, 100%. I get those too. And then there's. The third group, which is just pure outright.

Effing crazy. They're nuts. Yeah, mental illness is real. Yeah. We had a guy who got on an airplane, flew from Atlanta to Dallas, landed in Dallas taking a selfie video telling me he's coming to see me at the Blaze headquarters. This is why he flew in. He's not invited nobody. Asked. He didn't get an appointment. Oh man. But he flew into Dallas. Then the next day he video tell videotapes himself with one of his on the ground. You know, followers from his

thing. They're in Dallas and they're videotaping themselves a selfie at Daley Plaza announcing that they're coming to see me. And they're going to, they're going to bum rush me and Glenn Beck and they're going to set us straight. The next day. Kyle, I'm doing a show. I'm doing the Sarah Gonzalez show. I come out of the show, go upstairs to the executive suite, sit down at my computer, and I've got messages on my Slack channel going. You got a guy outside our our security had to run off.

I go online, The guys posted a selfie video of him walking around the Blaze parking lot, and then he got spooked by our security and ran off. Got flew from Atlanta to do that. There's a lot of handle out there. That the chat. Just said it. There's a lot of retards, man. We got to just we got to accept that they're real and they're all over the place at the at the there was another lady. Who I didn't take her. You know, I I I didn't take her story. I didn't I didn't follow it.

I was. But I had announced, as I will do on social media when I'm going to cover a particular trial or whatever in in DC And at this particular and this particular instance, I was covering the Oath Keeper sentencing hearing. So I think I was back in May of last year and this lady got on a plane and flew from Chicago and and got me in the hallway at the when I came out of one of the

hearings, she was there. This lady who I've been, I'd already dismissed her, her idea, her story and stop responding to her messages as you have to do, because they start sending you hundreds of them and then they start attacking you and then they start, you know, telling you that you're controlled, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because you won't take their their story or you must be part of them.

The people that have done this to me and she flies from Chicago to DC and bum rushes me there and to the point where finally I had to say you either back off and back away right now or I'm calling the US Marshals right now. This is a. This is a function. Of whatever I believe must be true because there is no

institution. And if that's the case, if you, if that's your motivating principle, if you have no North Star, then you're truly awash in the world and you're going to spend a couple $100 to get on a plane and go yell at a stranger that you've never met and you know nothing about. And you know, I I had a guy yesterday actually on social. This is, I wasn't going to bring this up. But it's funny. He got really mad about something that I posted and it was like completely unrelated to

what I posted. And he said, Kyle Serafin, you've never worked it a day in your life and and I was enlisted and you're a W pointer and you're a piece of shit. It's like I'm a W pointer. Like, that's a really weird

thing to think. First of all, there's plenty of available information about me. I've never once claimed to have gone to a Military Academy. I actually had a shot at the Air Force Academy and Navy, and I turned it down because I thought being in the military was dumb right up until the point I enlisted at 27 years old. So anyway, so this guy's going out and he's and he's got and he's he's 100% sure about it and he's like, I live in Haltom City and I'm going to come kick your

ass and break my boot off. It's like, dude, I live in Liberty Hill, TX. Knock yourself out, crazies. I carry a gun everywhere. I got a gun sitting here on the desk right here. I got a 1911 sitting right next to me. Why? Because you're a classy old school kind of guy. I got a classy old school kind of piece here, and I don't understand where these people come from. It makes me laugh. It's a little bit disconcerting. If someone wants to find you in person to do that to you, well,

this. Which is why we are now. Filing we're now filing motion this week. It'll be it'll be filed by tomorrow to get the rights to my weapons back because I had to surrender them. Yeah. I didn't have to actually hand them to the FBI or to the DOJ, but I had to move them off. I can't carry any longer. I I before I was before I self surrendered in Dallas. I handed my Dallas attorney my my Beretta and he put it in his safe. We should talk about that, Beretta.

Later. But OK, yeah, I know I. I I hate it's in my hand. I like it a lot. Yeah, you got to folks let you let this be a lesson to you that the best carry gun is the gun that you carry. So anyway, but yes, they've they've removed your gun rights, which you haven't. You've been convicted of nothing. And even if you were convicted of the thing that you did, that they claim you've done, right, even if you were convicted of the misdemeanors, you still

would have your gun rights. Yeah, let's let's segue. Into the restrictions that I'm operating on they called pre pre trial you know restrictions and there's a there's a a long list but there's a a really just only a short list that actually means something. The one thing is that I have to surrender my gun rights. Now well understand again as you said, I've been convicted of nothing, but more importantly I've been charged with nonviolent misdemeanor crimes.

All right. Meaning if I am convicted of all four of these, if I go to trial and I take a conviction, or even if I plea down to one of them and I'm convicted ultimately of that particular crime because they're misdemeanors, I instantly get my guns back. The process is the punishment. There's a reason why I named it that the other day. For our podcast folks, the process is designed to punish, and it puts you in danger. Real danger.

Yes, yes, I'm. In real danger right now because I have people getting on airplanes from other parts of the country flying and stalking me, right? Judges don't have that. No. That's happening to me. That's. That's an actual. Demonstrable threat to your life that people are crazy enough to come after you? Yeah, that's right. And if you're right and not and not just flying to see me, they're sending me messages. I get phone calls. They are accusing me of wild ass

shit that you cannot believe. We talk a lot about on the. Show about what is and what is not an actual federal crime. Making a threat on social media, generally speaking, doesn't follow a crime. It's true threats that are covered that we say are not part of the 1st Amendment. Actually, I would actually even rule those out. I'm an absolutist. I don't even care. Like true threat, just let me carry a gun and I'm good. But true threats are not considered free speech in this

country according to case law. There's plenty of it. People can go look at Brandon versus Ohio. There's a couple of other ones now. They're now, they've escaped my mind, 'cause I'm trying to think

about them. True threats mean that they have the willingness, the ability, the the wherewithal, and they have demonstrated some sort of interest in actually carrying out the threat, flying across the country to go tell somebody to their face that the I I sent you a message and I wanted you to get it in person from my face. That's a true threat. Real people like that will get

you locked up if you do that. If you fly outside, you know, across the country and do it outside the White House, you're going to jail. If you say that stuff on social media, I'll take it seriously. When people start showing up and you've had that happen, you've just given us at least two examples of that happening, maybe more. Yep. That's crazy that I know about. That's the two that I know about.

Yeah. And so and so the the other well, actually my my PSO, my pretrial services officer, I have two of them. I have one here in North Carolina and then and he works for the directly for the federal court. He wears a badge and carries a gun, and he was on our first conversation a few weeks ago. He was just absolutely amazed at how LAX my restrictions already are, because most January 6th defendants can't travel without permission out of their district.

So I've got the Central District of North Carolina. Under normal circumstances, I would have to get permission just to travel to the Western District of North Carolina, or to travel to South Carolina or Virginia just across the state line. I'd have to get permission from my PSO to even do either of those things. I do not have such a restriction on me, which is completely different than all other J6 defendants who have preceded me.

We are my my attorneys actually were disappointed that that wasn't put on me because especially the restriction of going to DC itself, because all other January 6th defendants, unless you live in the District, you can't go to the District except for Legal affairs or for your hearings in your trials. That's it. That's the only reason you can go. The the government did not even seek that restriction on me because, well, they didn't want the battle because they because they know that it's.

Wrong. Yeah, Well, they they. They not only know that it's wrong, but they also know that I've got the bullhorn that I have now that I didn't have 2 1/2 years ago. And as a result of that, that my, my, my. To be honest with you, my lawyers were licking their chops. They wanted that battle they wanted to make. This includes guys like Bill Shipley. Who've seen all these and and others? You've got some other good attorneys that are in there. They know lest lest I leave the the field.

Counterven V Colorado and Watts V United States. Those are the free speech cases that involve true threats. Let people if you want the receipts on that. If you want to know what true threats are, you should know, especially if you're going to be speaking online. I know that you're safe on what the things that you say, but crazy people go read the case law because it's real. It's out there. And they go back to the 19. 60s So it's not like it's new stuff, yeah.

And so the the my PSO is shocked that I don't have either of those restrictions. I just have to notify. I don't have to ask for permission. You're just telling them you're going somewhere. I just have to say I'm leaving. On such and such a day, and I'm going here and then because of my very unusual travel schedule, because I don't really know where I'm going next. I mean, this is the nature of the work I do. I don't know when I'm going to be in Dallas, DC, Raleigh or

elsewhere. I just have to say I'm leaving then and I'm headed there and I'll, I'll text you my next move. That's it. I I Kyle, I I don't even have a a restriction on international travel. I am actually allowed to travel internationally. It tells you how how weak.

They know their case is to me. That's what it tells me because I know I've seen guys I go in Troyer's case, and the fact that he's still restricted from possessing A firearm, even though he, you know, I don't, he didn't serve a felony charge, I don't think. So I think he pled to. Something lighter, but part of it was he he had agreed to give up the gun rights. The other thing we've been telling him, by the way, you could do this too.

I've got a guy in the gun store down the street from me who's a antique weapon specialist and basically anything over 100 years old including this bolt action rifle up get sitting back there. Those are not considered firearms by the ATF. You can and there are some that are even gnarlier that that are like World War 2 weapons and and even before that that you can actually own without being

considered firearms. And that's the thing I would love to stab the in the in the heart of the beast, which is What's the name of. The the the gun that Jefferson gave to Lewis and Clark, he had two of them. The IT was a basically an automatic weapon. It was an air fired automatic weapon like a stand or something like. It was like a Gatling. Gun type weapon. Precursor to the Gatling gun?

Sure, but it was a machine gun. Chan and Thomas Jefferson had two of them in his personal possession, and when he commissioned Lewis and Clark to make their trip out West, he he had loaned them one of his Yeah, there are air weapons. That will kill from 100 yards or 200 yards out. I mean, there's all kinds of wild stuff you can go do. I just told, I told on the same thing. It's like go get yourself one of those those those cap and ball

revolvers. You know, you got six shots and it's shooting some gnarly heavy chunk of lead down range. That's really funny. Like, they're not firearms. You're not in violation of it. You look, laws have meanings. Words have meanings. If you guys are going to be technical and stupid, then we'll just carry Not a firearm that actually shoots a projectile. Yeah, using gunpowder. Anyway, our SO our legal. Team and you know, I'm

announcing it's coming out. I'm not, I'm not afraid to talk about this, but we're going to be challenging. Actually actually every one of my pretrial restrictions, that motion will be filed end of this week, 1st of next week. And we're challenging them all because there's only two bases upon which the government requires these restrictions. The first one is, is that you are a risk, you're a danger to the public and the second one is at your flight risk. I'm clearly neither. Neither.

So they're going to make the government explain why any of these restrictions apply to me whatsoever, and make them prove that they do. Because they've already gone without us even asking for it, and they've already not restricted my travel to DC. They don't restrict my international travel. They don't make me require or get permission to travel. And there's several other anomalies like that in my particular case and to which, as I said, my PSO was quite surprised by that.

And so we're going to challenge all of them and go prove it. Prove it. Why I need any of these restrictions on me? Actually the answer is prove. Why the public needs those restrictions on you? One of the biggest. One of the biggest ones that they're going to be challenging is why do I have to notify my

PSO when I'm going to DC? Because most of my work in DC is taking place with other branches of government and that my notify having to notify DOJ of me going when I'm going to speak to the legislative branch is obviously a separation of powers issue it seems very. Simple, doesn't it?

Yeah, Yeah. There's, there's a couple things, like I said that when when the government thinks, and Bill Shipley has been very good about discussing this problem, the government has no interest in the outcome of your case. And yet it pretends like it does. The government is supposed to remain agnostic about the administration of justice. We are supposed to have these branches that come forward. The executive brings forward prosecution based on the work of the legislative.

And the judicial branch is the part where it susses out whether you're in or out of bounds and and a win or a loss equals no result for the government. They don't. They're not supposed to care. The problem is, is that that's what we've seen and I think January 6th has revealed in a good way to conservatives who previously kind of believed that. We kind of all thought, yeah, the government doesn't have a vested interest in this.

Well, we know that they're weighing in on it in a hardcore way that they have their thumb on the scale, They have their whole arm and their body leaning on the scale. And I think your case is a great little microcosm for it. But even the way you just said it, the government's only interest is whether or not there's a public safety issue. So they have to prove not that the government is correct.

They have to prove that the public is in danger because of Steve Baker and that you may flee the country of which you've shown no propensity to do. No, my, my. Passport is expired anyway, so yeah. Oh, but you didn't surrender it, I heard. I I. Didn't I? Can't find it. Go figure. You know what's funny? I have a passport hanging out here that the government issued me and they never took it back. They never asked for it back. So it's expired.

It's just like an old state when you know, like things happen when you have an old passport, they just sort of live in your house somewhere in a drawer, you know, the, the. I I thought I knew exactly where it was. But I've actually moved since COVID. And when I went to pull it out of the drawer where I've kept it for years and years and years and years, it wasn't there. And I tore my place apart the last two days before because I had I had to actually go meet with my PSO on Monday.

That was my first time back in town. I I I was back in in Raleigh for the first time in two months on this past Sunday, Easter Sunday. And so Monday I had my 9:00 meeting with PSO yesterday. Yesterday they came by to visit my place and to you know examine that my guns have been moved and looking inside my gun safe. And you know, they saw.

A lot of boxes of ammunition that they had questions about and they actually said, they said you're going to have to you're going to have to move that I don't know. You know they they were, they didn't know. I said well the language of the restrictions just says the weapons, it doesn't say the ammunition. So they're OK we'll go back and talk to our supervisor about it. And I haven't heard from them yet on that.

But, but yesterday, not only did they make their, their appearance at my house armed and wearing their badges, two of them. But then after that, I had my arraignment yesterday where I actually had to plea, you know, to the charges against me in front of my judge, Judge Christopher Cooper. And so that was my first time to meet him. And we did it by zoom. I didn't have to travel to DC for that. So that happened yesterday. And you know, it was, it was

pretty uneventful. He did chastise me, kind of gave me a little bit of a lecture because what he had heard was that I was deliberately non compliant with a couple of my pretrial restrictions and of course that was not the case at all at any time, ever. I mean as I said before I even did myself surrender. I handed my carry weapon to my attorney and and I haven't had it since.

And then I was in full compliance once I got home and I met with my my PSO on Monday morning and then of course I had was a complying with him the entire way I was sending him texts. OK I'm I'm I'm headed to Nashville next week. I'm leaving on Friday. I'll be in Nashville for a week. That's what I told him And then I asked him to to give me a confirmation notice that he received it which he did. Everything was fine.

But somehow somewhere in the translation I because at my PSO, my North Carolina PSO was actually rigged likeable friendly guy and I I was enjoying talking to him. He mainly because he was expressing just like utter you know shock at how you know my case was so different from all the other J6 cases. And. And so one of the things that I expressed to him, not that I was not going to comply, but that I that we were going to challenge a couple of things, not that it wasn't going to comply.

So then he reported that to the DCPSO who then reported that to DOJ who then said that to the judge. And then the judge of course issued me a minute warning back last Monday ordering me to be in compliance with the things that I was not in compliance with. And I'm like. It's a It's a stupid. Game of Telephone by By some of the most mediocre people in the world, it turns out. And that's exactly what happened. And so he he gave me a 32nd lecture yesterday and I

literally I did this. Inside my mouth with my lips. A biting my tongue got to, and when he's finished with that, he said it's not, he said it's not your decision whether to be in compliance or to choose which one of these you're going to be in compliance with. You need to comply with all of them. And I said. Yes, Sir. Your honor, Roger that. And that's. All, I said. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to be.

In that that moment where you're now, you're accountable to rules that the other team doesn't play by and can misrepresent you in an obvious way. We should. I could have hit. The button. Because on the zoom calls, I could have hit the button and I could have asked for a a moment at a private moment with my attorneys. Three of my attorneys were on

the zoom call with me yesterday. I could have asked for a moment and I could have said to them, I want you to address the court and tell him that I have been in clients the entire time and that that was the fault of your system, not mine. Right. North Carolina PSO to the DCPSO to the DOJ to you. I understand, Your Honor. You only know what you know and what you've been told, right. What you were told was inaccurate.

I could have done that, but I had the right to do that and let and let my attorney say all of that for me. But I just said yes, Sir. Your Honor. Yep. There's no upside to that one. At least not right now. So this is this is yet another reason why your case has gone The way that it's gone is that you've picked your battles, you've taken the shots that need to be taken, and you've held your fire when you need to hold your fire, which is part of the game.

This is a game. This is reading ahead on that sheet of music. As you said earlier, it all for some reason, it all kind of comes back to the way that we're trained and our life circumstances. You know who knew that that that person would steal your trombone and turn you into a trumpet player? That I got to go see Tyranny first hand, and now you get to experience it here, but you know what it looks like, So that's exactly right. It's it's a very strange.

Experience to be living with the rearview mirror seeing that those curved lines, those crooked lines that we've been living on all kind of make it straight in God's path. And I I'm continually reminded by this and and this story is no different than any of the others that are that we're all seeing right now. How strange it is that we just don't know until you look back and and in 10 years from now you and I will look back at this and we'll go like, ah, that's why.

Yeah, I suspect. I suspect that's the. Case. I really. Do, and by the way, I did plead not guilty to all four charges yesterday, 'cause we said, how do you? Wish to plead Steve Baker. That was the name of today's episode and you plead not guilty before I before. I left Dallas I I appeared on the The The Pat Gray and Lee Show. It's a morning program that precedes Glenn Beck on the Blaze TV and Blaze Radio Network And

it's a fun show. It's, you know, they they do real news but in a light hearted comedic fashion often. And so they asked me what's next? When's your next hearing? I said, well it's on April 3rd date and I said that's my actual arraignment. That's actually where I, you know, I plea out And so Pat goes, So what have you decided what you're going to play? And I said, Yeah, up yours. And of course, they all laughed. Yes. And that. That's why I say I'm, I'm not going to be restricted in my

speech. If I'm in a comedic, you know, a a a light hearted, humorous setting, I'm going to talk in that manner. Yeah. If I'm in a serious setting, I'm going to talk in that manner. And and then and the same thing with my my ex post last night I published to the country for them to see. I'm tired of you telling me that I got charged because I did not have credentials. No. Every single person with credentials that went through a broken window or a busted open door or cross that barricade

line. As a matter of fact, if you are a journalist, yes, exactly. If you are a journalist and you went to journalism school, Journalism. One O 1 is you can't cross into a restricted area without express permission from law enforcement. That's right. Cannot do it. Period. And if you saw that sign into the priesthood? Of being a journalist that they

made-up. Yeah. And if you're 1. Of those 15 journalists and photographers with wearing press badges, that was standing on the line where it said closed area and you saw people push cops over and run to the next restricted area. You have more of an. Obligation before the law than those of us who arrived after. Thousands preceded us and hundreds went inside and there was no law enforcement even

visible. And when they were visible, they were talking on their phones and they weren't offering any resistance and they weren't telling us we couldn't enter. You have more obligation at that moment. If you're the 5th person through the broken window and you've got a New York Times press badge on as that one, did you have more obligation under the law than I did? It's the same as seeing a law enforcement. Officer who's off duty, Get into a shooting.

You have more training and experience and there's a standard that you are expected to live by. Even you know, if I get into a shooting, I have enough training and experience that it's going to be more than an untrained bystander. There's always going to be a higher scrutiny when you have more levels of training. So that journalism school should actually work against them? In that case, Absolutely. To whom? Who much is given, much is required concept.

All right, we're going to keep keeping. Your story, let's make it a regular thing. Let's just put on the schedule. You got the link. Let's just put you on every every couple weeks. You want to come chat with us? I think people love hearing it. I love hearing. I just. I'll just book time with you so I can chat with you. Otherwise, we don't always have these sit downs and it's nice seeing your face. Steve Baker. Let me throw them back up on the screen, folks.

If you're not following my friend Steve, many of you are. I can see that his numbers have climbed, which is awesome. Steve Baker, It's at TPC, the number four USA on X Twitter, on True Social and so on. Are you on Instagram too? I'm not. I'm. Not an I'm there, but I'm not an Instagram I but I haven't still. I believe it or not Facebook hasn't shut down my accounts yet because they typically do that to J6 defendants. They So I'm still on Facebook. They know. They know too. They all know.

They all know, man. All right, follow Steve. Steve, I got something funny. This is why I think this. I feel like this is the kind of people that should probably be cops with the US Capitol Police. This is the kind of training I think they have in firearms and less than lethal munitions. So we'll just throw this on the screen because it's kind of fun. You like it There ain't Steve, man. Jesus. Yeah, he's. He's definitely rabid. Yeah, he's definitely rabid.

God almighty, I killed Kyrie. And they didn't do all. Wow. Two hands people. When you take a shot this is what happens when you do the the. I don't care. I think I got this. that Lady did not have that. Those were all bad shots. You can see they're all hitting the grass anyway. Pretty awesome. You know the first the first time that I. Actually ever killed a rabid dog? I was 13 years old. I was already very experienced with firearms and it was just one shot in the right spot and

it was over with. Hey, Atticus Finch did it. Right. They did it in Old Yeller. They did. You could do it in real life. Steve Baker did it at 13. Cut folks, put two hands on the gun and point at the target and then hit it instead of whatever the hell that was anyway, somebody goes, What do you think about that? I was like, women shouldn't be cops. That's the end of that.

But actually it's anybody who doesn't want to train in their profession shouldn't do their profession and that includes journalists. So we can make that broadly. I got one little palette cleanser again. Follow Steve. Make sure you guys the his his handle is in the show notes you guys can find it 1 little thing for us to laugh about in In spite of the world being weird.

We all still have, you know, responsibilities and families and people we love, and we should all still have a little sense of humor about how weird things can be. I got some daughters, so this one rang with me. This is my little palate cleanser. And then I'll I'll say adieu, girls. I need girls. I need you to get your shoes on because I got to. Go fight. Someone and they have two daughters and I need you to fight the daughters. You ready to fight, Jingle Bell?

You don't want to fight. They're your size. Can you fight? Them. Yes. All right. Let's go. Come on. Jingle Bell. We we need to be. Joyous fighters in the world. I love this. Get this Dad. Dad screwing with daughters is like the best. I've got two daughters exactly that age and I one of them is smart enough to go like, well, how big are they? And the other one be like, let's bruise them. So I just thought that was

perfect. See. My, my. Daughter is smart enough she would go, I'll just hire somebody to do that. Well, they're, you know, when they get a little. Older. They got their own money. Right now my kids have to put their shoes on and go fight with Dad, so I think it's fun. Anyway, we're going to fight for our lives and it's not always physical, but man, it's good to be in it with a with a tribe of people with a brotherhood that includes you, Steve. So thanks for joining me bud.

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stars. Kyle deserves a Medal of Honor for his courage going unarmed into a fight with the most dangerous and unprincipled elements of our government. I'm going to include Steve Baker on that one as well. While the bullets may not be flying in his direction, the knives are certainly looking for his back. Each of these podcasts are awesome in preparation and content and presentation. He is a gift to the nation. Every time I watch it, this is really long.

I'm going to keep going. Every time I watch a show, I'm leaved and pressed with their vision and integrity, but distressed by the blabbering Democrats and the lap dog press. One of the strategies the far less is to simply overwhelm the communications through vast and constant attack, advancing in to any weakness and slowing any advance.

I do worry that one of their goals is to go conservatives into a Ruby Ridge. We keep calling it Steve Baker's Ridge and Steve's Ridge. You guys should know that that's what we talked about on the side. The left needs to be reminded that it was Republican president who took the nation to war to end slavery, and another Republican president who sent the National Guard to the South to remove the axe handle armed Democrats who are preventing black children from attending schools.

Today, no group suffers more than the open border or from the open border than black families who find that their first few job opportunities for their children. And they're losing it to the language. As many job sites are in Spanish. Their progress in school suffers from school challenges dealing with non-english speaking immigrants who have very little if any education, dumping 12 million illegals into the large

cities. Man, this is a serious one there and and the points are all really well made. Thumper The governments been providing welfare to illegals when they should be taking care of those that are on our books. Man, 100% agree with all that. Come come chat with me offline. Thumper, you can send me a DM. We could have a long chat about all this. I really appreciate those kind words. We appreciate all of you folks.

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