Ryan Hartwig: Censoring the Censors

Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower and American Patriot prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for comforting lies. Here is civil liberties, enthusiasts Second Amendment, Defender and recovering FBI agent. Kyle syrup. Hello, my friends. Welcome to the Kyle. Serif and show its Monday. May the 22nd we did our livestream and with it went well except for a couple of technical glitches.

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is in our show descriptions. So, enjoy the interview there, you'll hear some of Steve's piping in on the side and the background and we'll catch you at the end of it as well. So, I have a special guest with me. We are live on location right now at the in the woodlands. In Houston, Texas. As I told you, we're going to be on the road. I've actually got Steve producing and running the board. So if anything goes wrong, it's

100% his fault. But we're not gonna hold him accountable because he's new to all this stuff. And my guest today is Ryan Hartwig. He and I met at am fast which was a festival that happened in Phoenix. I was on stage with a lot of project Veritas whistleblowers. We got a few minutes to connect. We kind of exchange information but Ryan and I didn't really spend any time talking actually. I think he connected with my wife and she was like, he's got a new baby, he's a really nice

guy. His story I think is gonna be very interesting to you. I have A bunch of questions about it and I deliberately told him. Don't tell me the things. I don't know yet because I actually want to know what they are, and I'm going to share it with you all. So Ryan, thanks for joining me, thanks for being on the show. Yeah, let's let's start very, very simply first of all. Where did you grow up?

Where are you from? Kind of, what's your backstory, how in the world did you end up at Facebook, where you decided to blow the whistle? Yeah, so yeah. So, thanks for having me on Kyle and it's a pleasure. So, I grew up in Mesa Arizona. Okay. And I grew up there. Yep. And I The high school graduate high school was planning on becoming a pharmacist. It's been a couple years. You're going to be a pharmacist. Yeah that was my plan initially speaking with Farms you got exactly.

Yeah. Now here I'm exposing another probably one of the worst other big evils Facebook but yeah. So then I kind of saw like you know, I went to college for that. I took a brief Hiatus for a couple years, I spent some time volunteering for a Christian nonprofit and in Mexico, City and teaching People about religion and Jesus and so I did that for a couple years came back took forever to finish. My bachelor's degree.

This happens Majors a couple times finally ended up with a degree in Spanish. Okay? So that's kind of where, you know, I've always been involved in like acting. I feel like I've been involved in activism like pro-life groups in college and I've always been interested in politics. But how I got a Facebook was kind of weird. So like so 2015, I graduated from college after like 10 years after you beat me I didn't fuck. Which was still kind of a shock to me. I was like, what am I doing here?

Like, why am I still here? I had to be intense. Yeah, no it's like pushing Arizona. It's always nice out. There's always something better to do than go to class or do any work there. You could always be doing something else. Yeah, College. I don't know man. Because you debatable whether colleges even the worth worth worth your time and effort to begin with 100%, but yeah. So I was like, Super. Super senior. Yes, I graduate calls. Mike. Okay, I pick you. I've got some jobs like

low-hanging fruit. I worked for I work for the Vanguard group actually interesting. And that's in the news now that everyone's like, BlackRock Vanguard evil I'm like, okay looks to be the place where you could put your money and get a guaranteed return and you didn't have to worry about it. I knew a lot of people that had Vanguard accounts. Yeah. In the early 2000s and they were kind of on the edge of I guess

they were there. Probably already well established but I knew people that was like the safe bet. You just kind of tossed your money there. Yeah, and it's sucking is so good. I mean, as far as Investments go, I think they're so smart. I worked there for nine months, processing checks as a contractor. Sure. So, I would see these accounts where, you know, in the people that kept their money in after the recession, like, they still there. Still there making good money

like they came back for them. I don't know how it is now, but yes, we're good there first. And then, I worked for, I can call centers a little bit. So, prior right, prior to getting the job working for Facebook, I was working security. I was working security, at least furniture store. And these guys came in the store and I'm like, hey, what do you guys do? Like, oh, we can't tell you who we work for.

I'm like, okay, what do you do? If he's like, oh, we review stuff online for big social media website and like, okay? Where's that is 30? It's across the street. I'm like, okay, I'll apply. So, I applied and I got this job as a, bilingual social media content moderator that. So one of the things that I always was kind of curious about because you kind of seem like a tech type guy, you kind of, maybe it's just the glasses, maybe you just Adopted the visual of it. Yeah, but my Curious, my

curiosity was always, you know? What was your specific background? And that explains exactly what the story is. So you speak, Spanish fluently, write read, write speak yet and you and you have a Spanish-speaking wife. Yeah, we're not to get too detailed about that will keep your privacy and your family,

thanks. But being able to do that was the door in and in a lot of ways, that's how people get hired in the government to. I don't know if you know that, but there's a lot of government jobs where being bilingual is the qualification. In fact, I think that's a qualification The sun, right? Steve, you could be a if you if you speak Spanish you could be hired by the FBI specifically on

a language track. Yeah. You have to pass a series of tests but it's not to be able to prove your competency and the language yet especially in Spanish, that makes sense. But anyway, so that makes a lot of sense. So there are opportunities and that was one of the opportunities you capitalized on. So you go in, what was the application looking like? What were they? Why were they so secretive? Do you know?

Yes. So, I mean there's ND a so like when I applied initially, they didn't tell me who it was. What company was, but they say, It's a big social media website company. So I wear prepare for the interview I actually looked up. It's funny. I looked up. I think I think the FBI has a

list of like internet, acronyms. Okay, like OMG is the most simple one of course, but there's like some really weird acronyms so like I've studied for the interview and they actually did a cognitive test where they had you took take an exam like a mini sat okay kind of and then they had, then they did a joint interview where they said, hey, you're going to be reviewing graphic content. I think you some samples of what you would see, like, You know, anime porn early hentai were

just like, yeah, gross stuff. And they're like, oh, you are you okay with that? Well, I'm like, is there any way to avoid seeing that stuff is like now you can't skip it. You have to. So that was the interview process and it was we were he was with cognizant. So Congress is was the third party company, huge technology company that had this contract with Facebook so that was the kind of the onboarding process but it was all, it was funny

because it's all young people. Like, I was, I don't think I was like, see, I was in my late 20s, early. Yeah. Late 20s. And I was like the oldest person there, right? Is know what feels like? Yeah, I did that in basic training, so I guess that's kind of interesting to note that the business model. Particularly in this case, the censorship is not done directly by Facebook. It was actually done by this third party.

A lot of the intelligence Community outsources, some of their dirty work, which is not necessarily dirty, it just turns out to be dirty. It doesn't have to be dirty, right? Like that getting rid of hen tape hunt. I porn getting Of child pornography images, getting rid of explicit content that are not appropriate for the type of venue that actually makes sense. That's kind of why they have the ability to do that.

They can, if they want to keep their brand a, certain way they can get rid of some of this stuff. Obviously, it didn't stay that way. Yeah. But that was the original pitch that it was like, look, you're going to be the guy that filters the garbage so that other people don't see it in their feed if they have a mom's group or something. Yeah, it makes sense is like, you know, no one wants to be on online or on Facebook, you know, and see the Out of nowhere.

Just another scroll for drug, worker, something and then they get some horrible, like cartoon porn, right? So I have seen some of that pop up in the world, and it's bizarre. I don't know why people get into that, but to each their own, it's yeah, there. And I learned too much. I wait, I learned way too much more about that stuff than I wanted to know about, like furries and and then correct doesn't called crushing, which is horrible shooting. Crushing is yeah.

Heavy heavy people getting on top of others that were crushing. Well, I think the 11 snare, Like basically, torturing animals. So, women wearing high heels, killing animals. Basically God. Yes, I do women. Woods like stomp on guys. I know some guys are into that sort of thing. I have a weird experience with that, my partner, my roommate, when I was in college, I'm not a college in the at the FBI Academy actually used to do child pornography what they call

the innocent image project. So he would filter that he was at an analyst at did all that work. And he's like the most Mel. He's a lot like you, he's super mellow. He's a really really nice guy. He's the last person. In the world that would ever go looking for anything like that. Yeah, he's very wholesome human being and then that was his gig you know eight to ten hours a day was just going through the worst of the worst and you can imagine the FBI goes looking for it.

It's not like we're it's accidental contact. Although I'm sure there's plenty of it but it seems like some people who have a good religious background who have a really good firm. Faith tend to be the people that can handle this sort of thing. I don't know if it's just because, you know, your imbued with strength because it needs to be done, but somebody's got to make sure that's mud stays Of regular people's feet because most people can't handle this

stuff. Yeah, no. And I on in, I dealt with that stuff. So CEI is child expletive imagery. So that came into our cues occasionally. Luckily I didn't see Rowan come across that very often. Okay, I talked to some of my co-workers who came across it a little more often but like it was kind of a mixed Q. So the with that, I don't have that made it worse or not because like you know what a minimum when I'm looking at it and it's a post one of the time so I get it one thing at a time

on my screen. Hmm. So I want to now I'm seeing this This this funny meme about the Boston Marathon bombing or maybe an appropriate mean like that, I might delete. And then the next moment I click through to hit delete and then the next moment. Boom. You know, CEI child porn pops up on your screen so like I don't know there's no prep for. Yeah, there's no prep for it's not like you're going to be.

Yeah, it's kind of a shock. So we, you know, we had counselors on site that's something that talked about, in my, my book behind the mask of Facebook is, you know, our counselors I'll In credit where credit's due? I really can't see any time they're on site. I could talk to him. We had a counseling line but unfortunately I just think that most you know early 20 euros aren't ready for that kind of stuff.

Now there's a certain maturity you have to have to be able to process to even know that you need to talk to somebody about something. Yeah. Right. I mean that's why I think that's why a lot of cops that start very young. Have some issues when they see certain things in the streets because they don't they haven't built up the mechanism to handle. It's why I got young guys who go to war. Come back and they're really troubled, you know. They signed up with one idea.

It turns out to look very differently when they're in the field. They actually see with the, you know, the evil of war, the evil of what human beings can do. And then your and then where are you? You're a person that hasn't been able to develop with what is normal. That becomes part of your normal. I'm sure, that's probably pretty crushing. So you were in some ways. You're probably lucky that. You spent five years extra in college or six years next year in college.

I feel like there is a plan for a lot of this stuff that we don't understand it. So well after yeah so interestingly enough you your people I think would probably I'd be very interested and they can find more about this in your book, obviously, about how it looked, what it looked like on a day-to-day basis. Yes, they can find out about what your what the censorship mechanism looks like, mechanically, right? And there's there's different

mechanisms of you. So like the funny thing is like, you know, you three people like okay, yeah, I want to keep the internet clean which earlier, you know, Facebook clean. So, as a brand, yeah, Facebook's no predict start particular image, but they've gone so far beyond that and it's kind of hilarious because you know what, you right after I started working like the month after I started Working March of 2018 Zuckerberg testified in Congress.

So he's essentially my boss. I mean and he he he testified and I'll just read my notes Here by on. He said this is Larry, especially what we do with what we know now about. Okay. So it's a the time frame again this is this is April of 2018 okay? So think about that time. As far as look at this is you know as far as we know about Trump's term. Yeah, this is in the All of the Russia Russia. Russia hoax everyone's freaking

out. Hmm. We've got we now have a lot more information since the Durham reports been released. So we kind of know that was all ginned up which many of us knew for a long time was but so be it, but it's now now. Now MSNBC has to actually acknowledge it kind of thing. Yeah. And he's testifying in front of Congress. You know, what's committee? He was in front of, because I

know you brought. No. So, I'm folks, he's gonna be referring to notes because Ryan is a technically accurate kind of guy. He's not a fly by the seat of his pants, kind of person. The way that I am. Many of you will see that I just Winged It. It, in fact take an interesting aside since Steve sitting here, before we started taping, this is Steve and I were talking about half the time we get these interview questions and somebody says something like, you know,

here's this thing. What do you think? And while they're asking the question will actively be, like I have no idea what I'm going to say with no idea, but the visual that I have in my brain, you know, when Magneto, this is the, the villain from the, from the X-Men movies, he's walking into like a dark room or an abyss or this big open space and as he walks down, Got like metal. That's like assembling a bridge in front of him in real time. That's how my words come

together. I have no idea where this bridge is gonna go. Who's, there's no way to guess what its gonna do, speaking of notes in preparation. So you were just on the team pool show and I was on Tempo show in October of 2020 and it's funny because I, I studied like all down the plane ride over there, my notes.

And I showed up in this at his studio and I plopped in my notes on the desk in front of me and he's like oh you don't need this and I'm like okay so my so I put it away and I had I studied enough to do well and and mention everything but some people have that more of like audio memory. I more of like the visual. Yeah. Britain. Okay so we're going to we're going to Bali. Sorry. That was a my bike at chasing brain squirrel. We're exactly correct. So we've got Zuckerberg 2018.

April of 2018 sitting in front of Congress. Yeah. All right, then you're going to refer some notes about? Yeah, April 2018. So he testified, he said, one of my greatest regrets and running the company is that we were slow and identifying the Russian Operations in 2016. So he's referencing the 2016 election, right? And that's something that is.

My co-workers told me is like, like one of them went to the headquarters Ireland. The like, oh yeah, you know, the reason why they're bringing all the jobs. After tinsel, we started in 2012. Our company get a contract in 2017, so they're like, oh yeah, one of the reasons I brought all the workers to the US for Content. Moderation, because overseas is because of the Russian influence in the 2016 election. Got it, which we No was not nearly what they said.

Were you following the Twitter files at all? When they were being released? I was following a lot of them. A lot of them is yeah. And I haven't so obviously Twitter different company and and different mechanism, but similar culture, I think in a lot of ways, the big Tech culture is, you know, whether you're talking about Apple or Google or Facebook, that sort of, Silicon Valley groups.

Yeah, they, we've got to assume that they were all doing some sort of version of what they were doing on the Twitter files that Taibbi and shellenberger and you know, the rest of them exposed I don't believe anybody's name out Lee Fang and Who else was there? Barry Weiss? Am I missing anybody? Steve's Steve's, think, if we think of them won't will mention, we want to give credit, where it's due. Taibbi, shellenberger said, yeah? Okay, in any case.

So these journalists were exposing it and obviously we hadn't seen the Facebook, PPC ad. So in light of that this is somewhat comical. Yeah. That they were basically bringing all the and it had to be more expensive to, to bring them to the US. So yeah, it's very expensive and I mean the contract that Facebook had with cognizant was a three-year Million dollar contract.

Okay. And so, and we had about at our site in Phoenix, we had about, I'd say, upwards of, we rapidly hire people, but be about 1,500 people, okay? And then, you know, Congress Zuckerberg is mentioned. He's the spend about 10 billion dollars a year on content moderation. So that, yeah, that's a lot of money and a lot of money. Yeah.

And and there's no I guess the marketability is that you keep your product from being degraded, but it's not like that something that you would need and you can Monetize. In fact, it's your throttling, something that might be monetized in some ways. Right? Right wild. Okay. So he was concerned about that. What were the guidelines that you were getting? Did they, you know? Obviously they must have changed at some point.

We went from, you're looking for hentai porn and crushing animals to death, which sounds horrific by the way. Yeah, but it obviously she started. There's Mission creep like so many other places where people start going like well if we're dealing with this somehow you end up with memes that are you know that are going to To be favorable to Donald Trump or I can just imagine you go. You know how weird it must have been my brother sent me this me one time. It's the Twin Towers.

Yeah. Right. And this is when there's the the smoke coming out of the the building. So one of them you know it's the first Tower that's hit there's smoke coming out of it and someone has done like a tint to the smoke and it's pink. Okay. And the caption was these gender reveal parties are really getting out of hand. So that, which would ya know, be seen as this meeting with you in a second. But yeah. So that's the mean, right? So, two towers, pink smoke. Yep. This gentle.

Sure. That's, that's actually it's funny, but it's dark and I and then it's he sent it to me, and it was, it was 20 year. It was in 2021, probably. Yeah. So it's 20 years post 9/11, which some people never got over 9/11 and some people forgot

about it immediately. And there are people that are, you know, earning a living right now that that might be watching our show, and, and they weren't even born when Happen or they certainly don't remember it cognitively, but he sent it to me. And then he wrote to me afterwards too. Soon, question mark, which every level of that is dark and screwed up this house. That's not the kind of family members. I have Smart weird. Quirky kind of dialed in yeah,

too soon. So okay, so you will analyze a meanwhile, is immune to that pops up. That was their job. So imagine imagine your job is your lucky. I felt like I was a paralegal. Imagine you like, you're an attorney and they already wrote this their policy, they are, they different policy. Manuel's, like, throw over 30,000 words. We're okay. I look at the moment I think, okay, this because in the fall under maybe a couple of policies. So the main policy would be

cruel and insensitive, okay? And insensitive, so under that policy, there's different numbers. So I have to justify my decision on each meme that I delete, okay, and you're going to rank this on a scale? Essentially, I'm going to either decide to. So with this one, there's I can mark it, I can mark it as cruel and insensitive, that'll kind of limit the reach, okay? Or I can delete it completely or can leave it.

Okay, so on this room and say, okay, you're looking at an event from 20 years ago and you're mocking people who died. Yes. We know people died during 9/11, right? And so, if, if I can, if I can see the people in the imagery of the meme, if you had like a beep, if you photoshopped in one of the people who actually died. Okay? Then that changes things. That means I would normally to delete it completely.

Okay? Or, but if I'm just, if I'm just referencing it, like with words, then, We could just Mark in limit the reach how how limited would that go? Like what is the mechanism that would that would stifle it? Is it just to your ear immediate circle? Is it that people that had to go do they have to search for it? So that that one we didn't control, I didn't see the metrics and how they how they limited it.

You can just mark it that way because that's what that Facebook told us to do. Okay, so yeah, I'm not sure on the details of that but yet, but if it was a, you see, if the thing of the funny thing is like, so there's a rapper named temptation. Murdered in Florida. Okay, xx and my refuge in the, right? Yeah, it was there's a rapper. Maybe they may be looking to see if Steve knows about rappers in Florida.

He lives in Florida from earlier with hip hop community, so I could be wrong with the name guys, correct me. But there was a rapper who got murdered in his car and there are memes about it. Okay? And it turns out this guy was had a criminal record, okay. And there's a little caveat with them. Policy saying we allow the meme if they're criminal. Oh good. Yeah. Yeah. So Kobe Bryant you can make me

meet you couldn't. Make means about his helicopter crash because he was not a criminal even though he was well, we won't go into that. That's another tangent noted. But but but yeah, if they're convicted criminal, then you can make fun of them. So that it was, that's the coolant sense of policy. So that's an example of how we would really analyze the, the memes. So there's protocol means well, go ahead, Steve not just limited to memes. What if somebody put up a post?

Like, I just Said a dark joke in text form it applies to that as well. It's supposed to text will not just not just imagery. So, so image, you can be imagery or wording. That's mocking Live Events. So, if I said, hey, you know, the Boston Marathon bombing was really. I had a trying to think of some like, play. A way of words, you know. I got a joke for you, okay? All right. Very dark joke. But what's the only part of the vegetable that you can eat? The wheelchair.

We basically what's the only way, say it again? What's the only part of a vegetable that you can eat the wheelchair? Okay. So, all right here. So as an example, That's making fun or being cruel or insensitive towards people who are handicapped. Yeah. Mentally handicapped, whatever you want to call it there sitting in a wheelchair vegetative state. So what does that look like on a censorship level, is that going to be reach limited or do you? So the, to be honest I did this

change out of curiosity. Yes. The most of all is is didn't have that limiting reach option to Mark as okay. That was more of like that, we did that for Professor Emerging Markets, sensitive or markers cruel. So if there was imagery of like a child birth, for example, That showed a female genitalia. Got it. We would mark it as sensitive so you people could still have you but there's have to click through. Okay, so I hate that by the way, I just like I don't know, I'm a grown-up.

I'm yeah, nobody likes to click through laughter like and it always makes you want to click through it more because you're like, oh my gosh they're not going to show it wasn't. Was that ever discussed out of curiosity? Because I feel like if you put something as marked as sensitive and you blurt out to me, I'm going to find out what it is. And usually I'm disappointed that it's not that interesting. Usually, it's some lame mean that somebody pushed through

that. That I don't even you know I'm like what kind of a what kind of a wimp was marking this to be sensitive like how gentle of would your feelings have to be and I imagine that must have changed but do they actually ever discuss the fact that when you try to put a blur a sensitive content warning that it actually boost the signal we

didn't? So we didn't I didn't have discussions about that maybe and the higher level but I did have a discussion with Mike manager with for congressman who he interface with Facebook a lot. Okay, we talked about Boogaloo. Is Boogaloo was trending that phrase and then we talked about cops attacks on cops. So one thing that did change during that time frame, is that, you know.

Okay, here's another thing. Let's let's imagine, I mean, we're just a photo, let's say I put the photo on Facebook and it says, it has a picture of a cop. So I take a picture of a cop on the street. Okay. And I say that cop is a pig. Got it. Okay, so now this is a private individual, yep? Right. And so, you're calling this private individual a pig. So, if I take a picture of a civilian, I post a picture of this Random person. This person is a pig that falls under the bullying policy

comparison to animal. So bullying policy comparison to animal. Yeah this is definitely written by lawyers. Yeah. Okay so yeah and then I think there's a lot behind this curtain that people have no idea on how minut but that makes sense. Lawyers have to get down to the granular detail, so yeah, that checks okay, bullying comparison to animal but cops have a special category so they change it. So when I first started in 2018, We would delete it because you know, cops are still proud of

that person. So private individual. Yes. But then, you know, Facebook changed the rules and they said you know we're going to make an exception and the just face to the. We're going to say that's that's allowed now to attack cops and call them pigs Leslie. So and the justification for that was because of how the term is used in the marketers. Some, some bullshit justification.

So that's one of the many examples where they, I saw this trend and that's when I Arted like documenting, like, I'd been there about a year. Let's see, March 23 March 2018. I reached out to project Veritas in May of 2020. No, I'm sorry. Sorry may have 2019. May have 2019. Okay. And so I do, notice notice the strands or, you know, there's political content they want to look for the word Boogaloo or the what that is? I know what it is.

I'm pretty confident Steve does as well, but share people like, not everybody is paying attention all this stuff and there's so much. There's so many triggering. Ideas to leftist because they want to censor speech. I guess that things that make know different like Tumblr.

Google is so Boogaloo is like so I mean the original word I think is this if you look it up on Urban Dictionary which Boogaloo is kind of like a dance but boo in the modern sense, the world is different, meetings is like refers to Civil War. That was that was my understanding of it.

So the hashtag Boogaloo would you see a lot of people with these Hawaiian tea Shirts who like the Boogaloo, boys, who would basically advocating for the second minute advocating for that's kind of sort of a generally anti-government type position. Yeah, so the name actually comes the way that they did. It was the Boogaloo boys. They took the name from a 70s movie called Electric Boogaloo to okay. Is that?

No? It was called something Electric Slide. I think the Boogaloo, the Electric Boogaloo, some of the effect. I'm going to have to get this right, folks. It's corrected, the comments. I know you guys are watching on the Chad, make it happen. The it was a 70s movie. It was about a dance party and that basically became the idea of the Boogaloo, the big Boogaloo was like, the dance that we would do, which was the Civil War.

So you're 100% correct as far as the reference, but it's a movie reference initially and it was a dance. Okay. And then these guys kind of adopted it and then they would start talking around it and then they knew they were getting censored. So they're using other things like things that sounded like Boogaloo like the big Eskimo or the big Igloo, rather so Boogaloo, big Igloo, my buddy will always ask me. These questions, because he's a, he's an FBI agent, and he's a

troll. Like, he's my favorite kind of person. So, he's always like a man. Like, when the igloo kicks off, are we going to know where we going? Like you come here, like we go on there. So there's a whole culture built up of kind of talk around the censorship. Yeah, at a lot is because they knew that those things have trended had had been trending, and then they had been censored actively. They knew that they weren't getting the reach they were previously.

Mmm, so the hashtag Boogaloo. So the Boogaloo boys, who are by All rights? I don't know if they're idiots or not. I like to me, they kind Just seemed dim? Yeah, they're Hawaiian shirt wearing with tactical gear. All that seems silly, that's cosplay stuff, but it was making people upset also and that became a caucus and write about it.

So, like my supervisor knew that I was conservative, his name was Sean Browder like I, you know, eventually end up filling him with a hidden camera and he's didn't like that. What was, what are his politics different than yours? Whatever. He was, he was very leftist.

Okay, well I guess he was a Bernie supporter so that's left is as far as I guess, and So, I brought it up to me, he's like, hey, I'm seeing this trend of like, they're talking about Boogaloo and Civil War he and he's like, oh, you know, this is really good. Like Facebook is really interested Keen to know what's going on, what's trending with that. So why, you know, why this Keen interest in politics? Why the hell do you care?

If you're okay, as long as you keep the porn off your site like why do you care? And so we had other explicit instructions, I have screenshots where they're saying, we need urgent visibility into the democratic debate. Mike. Okay. Why do you care about politics so much or they're Ukraine whistleblower? What's gosh, what's his name? The guy who caused the impeachment of Eric charmella cerebellar Eric chair Marella not to be confused with a donut eating venneman who more than happy.

I think Steve would love to challenge him to a foot race. I'll get into a head-butting competition whatever, not a big fan of that guy but the the so-called whistleblower who was upset about a phone call that needed to To be pushed and Amplified. Yeah, mmm. So if you're now, if you're OK, if you're a republican, you want to do a talking point, you're going to mention his name, right? Because the left didn't want his name to mention my mentions, right?

Well, guess who didn't also want his face mean, he did. Guess you knew that I wasn't sorry guys. Little bit tired because it's rustic here. He told me he had five hours of sleep and he was like, I'm sure that's your normal and I was like tragically enough. That is my normal, I functional five hours, Whatever. Whenever you guys see me, it's because I've been had five hours of sleep. I think I had a date last night so I feel like Superhero. Wow, that's impressive.

I could slow down. I actually get faster. The more tired I get. So, so, guess who did guess who else did not want C? RL is named. I mentioned. That's look right? So Facebook and I riskily this because I saw his name being mentioned and I'm like, so they asked you to tag post with his name. Yeah. They'd know, they told us to delete any mention of his name. Whoa. And I raise up on my, why are we doing this like, oh, it's sort of this policy and recording harm. I'm like, but it doesn't.

What are the policy called they were initially? Coordinating coordinating harm, coordinating harm. The coordinator mean that covers a lot of. Well, this is a doxxing and Auntie doxing type thing or so. That's, that's the thing. So, initially, it's weird because initially, they're like, oh, delete it under privacy because he's like, law enforcement. I'm going, no, he's not a law enforcement, so they change their like, okay, let's change it to just this generic

coordinating harm. So if they don't, if there's not a bucket coordinator under that is like election, fraud doc document think would be under coordinator. Yeah, I could see docs or a Ling coordinating her also is like violence or, you know, if you're hacking or some calling for cyber attacks or yes, still. So they put on the genetic policy in the frontal areas. Thing is, you know, who also looks like Eric's Camera. Well, I guess Alex Soros does.

Well, do I raises them? Hey, we're doing this guy under. They think he's Alex. They think certain well is Alex Soros. And so I had have these pictures of people like she looked this is our extramural do. He's the Ukraine? Or he's trying to gigs are people that are putting together their own research, which is garbage. Yeah. So, conservatives are posting, like Haley. This is, this is extra Marella and they post picture box or something. Like, I told my supervisor

shine. I'm like, Sean. Like that's not see Romero. That's Soros. Do we still delete it? Yes, delete it because they've named thank you, sir. Marella so no mention of him at all. That's just so crazy that they would just totally. So, and that means they were legitimately and that was the same things. We heard Adam Schiff saying, nobody can mention his name They were trying, they were yelling out in the middle of hearings and stopping people from finishing sentences.

They thought was going to say his name. He turned into Voldemort for some reason where you couldn't mention his name is too fearful and then Facebook is marching out the same exact orders. 100 percent Democrat, Ron talking points and agenda. Yeah. Okay. So at that point are you recording? Are you doing the videos or that? Is that what drove me there? That was probably one of those that was it 2018, wasn't it? Yeah. So at that point I wasn't I

wasn't recording. So a lot of of this stuff like I had the we have our internal Facebook workplace that look kind of like Facebook that we had that we use to court communicate so when I started filming has only slack or something else it was their own like internal thing. It never is called Facebook, workplace got it. Yeah, so yeah. So I started when I started filming in like 20 night scene you know, summer 2019 and

heavily in that fall. Then I went back and document all these conversations and instructions. Oh, another fun to is to continue working there when First started, we were like, you know, we were working and then they're like, oh, by the way to continue working, you guys need to link your personal fake Facebook account at work. Like you have to login and Link it and they're like, yes, with the rationale was, they go, we don't want you.

Accidentally deleting your friends, comments and posts. I'm like, what are the odds out of the all the internet posts in the world that I'm going to run across? Like, my friends Millions per day of things that are uploaded, but you're going to have to accidentally, have some conflict of Interest situation is so it's astronomically low and they have to know that. So this was a control mechanism to be able to monitor what you're about.

Yeah, and some people were like, I don't have a Facebook account there. Call you have to create one then. I like that, I would do that too Kyle Kyle, the legend. So, one of the funny stories I hadn't been on Facebook in a very long time. I had one when I was in college, I want to say and I always hated social media. Unfortunately, it's part of my

life now. So those of you who follow me on social media, you know, Sy do so reluctantly one of the big big Things that happen when I joined the bureau, I had no faith. I had no social media. I actually turned it off before I joined the military knowing that I would have certain types of trainings, possibly sensitive work, the possibility, that existed, it was very fun. When I went to see her school and they couldn't find a Facebook page on me.

I guess they weren't very good researchers, so they got nothing, but when I joined the FBI, the last thing that happened, I was slowly winnowing my circle down a friend's, you know, you have your friends a circle and I got down to about under 100. I had 94 something and then my last message was like, you guys. Guys all know who I am everyone on this thing that's you know, still on my friend list have my phone number so I'm done with this.

I'm going to delete it so I did, I deleted the Facebook page and the last thing that I saw come through, there was my younger brother who was a total turd and he said, in honor of Kyle leaving Facebook, I'm going to launch a fan page known as The Legend of Kyle seraphin. But when you did but it was a closed page, it had to be like one of my friends. He invited people to from that Circle of 90 something. And then he spent all of his not very much time at all.

He did these face of what he called. Photo. Shoppings of me, you know, I'd be at like, a shooting range. I have a pistol and I'd be out shooting and then you would Photoshop me like, in the middle of a rainforest, shooting app and on the face and then underneath it would say like, endangered species my ass and like, other look stupid idiot. You know, it's like, it's like SEAL Team. Six listens to me.

I'm like, you know, standing here like this at a wedding and he like photoshops me on the deck of a carrier with like, an And fibulas assault, team coming up behind me and I'm wearing like, wedding clothes, just stupid. There was one of them me Swinging on a jungle Vine in Hawaii and like a pair of shorts and like a wife beater and and he photoshops me hanging off a Blackhawk like, going through an explosion. It's just, it was done. It was the dumbest and was very obviously, really badly

Photoshop pixelation, you know? No Shadow matching nothing. It was just all trash. So he puts this up, he did that in 2000, I don't know, six, something like that. I joined the bureau, in 2016, 10 years later, I have no recollection of this. It's my first day on the squad. They pulled up that thing and they're like, so you got something to say to us the legend? That was, like, why do you guys keep calling me the legend?

That's really weird. And they're like whatever you say, Legend, you know, and I'm walking around as I can. Someone please explain this to me, this is a weird inside joke and it's not funny to me, so I can't even. I'm not even salted. I'm just confused and the guys go. Your Facebook page. I don't have a Facebook page. Not go. Yes you do. Didn't this you I look at it and I was like son of a bitch call my brother up my first On the job in, in Washington DC. And I'm like, dude, are you

serious? And he's like, man, I don't remember that thing. I gotta go figure out why the login for it. Yeah. So, you know, that would be kind of fun if you had a legend is forever. It is forever. So they're linking you in this. Sorry. I'm like I said, ye some queso so for it's just to recap. So you know that's that's hilarious. That's a that goes though, right?

It's the other thing because they're going to go back all the way to your first post back maybe when you were in college ten years ago, when you link your personal profile and they're going to see your brother calling you the Legend and uploading pictures you that are photoshopped. When it wasn't as serious, when we didn't know that. I was going to be part of your job applications, because people are now getting their inner, you know, their social media

researched. Yep, people are making hiring decisions based on what you did 10 years ago on a Facebook account when you're in high school? Yeah. For sure. I mean, that's definitely happening. Yeah. So they, so, for me to continue working there, that was probably an in 2000 early 2019, we had to link our personal Facebook account, so this is 1500 people working for a third party contractor, right? We're doing the content moderation for Facebook.

And we have to, we have to log in our personal Facebook account. So I did if they were smart they would have, you know, caught me that, you know, I was I was filming that point. But, you know, it's funny because they, you know, whistleblowers like us. You know, they there's a certain type like religious people tend to be whistleblowers. That's true. I think there's three buckets. Tell me. You can think of three categories of was closed off the

top of your head. Maybe we can put this together really well. Religious. And then the ones, those are ideological base. They find a personal. Offense in the thing that they're being asked to do so they have a moral problem. They're being asked to do something they think is either illegal immoral or unethical and they come forward, right? That's there. That's a religious bucket, right? Right. And that's where you were, that's that's where I was.

Yeah, there's another bucket that everyone always gets misconstrued with. I know. Steve friend has been called this thing. I know I have been called that. I imagine they probably said the same thing about you, a malcontent. Somebody who was a disgruntled employee. Do I know you're not a legit whistleblower, because you were just having a bad time at your job. I said, well, I was having a bad. I love my job because they asked me to do something.

That was morally a, it was morally, you know? Reprehensible. Yeah. And I didn't want to participate in that and that makes you have a bad time, your job. Yeah. So I think those are two distinct buckets. There are some people that are just and then the third is like, they're a really bad employee and they've done something that was sort of, they're incapable of doing the job and then they

have to defend themselves. So they make an eeo complaint or they make a whistle blowing complaint, trying to save their own skin because they know they're on the chopping block from doing their job poorly, those seem to be the three, so religious malcontent and saving their own skin. It seems to be is that kind of makes sense to you? Yeah don't make sense. It's we all get smeared. Yeah. One way or another, but as an organization if you know that those are the types of

ideologies. Are you going to like, you're going to want to look at the risk? That's a risk. Whistleblowing is a risk for the company. Yes. Because you want don't want people like it would. Look at you bird that one that one lady that would allow a lawsuit against Uber for sexual harassment. She was very religious group. Very religious religious. Yep. So people with that back, Ground. You know what is going to look

at that? So when so that was kind of my background and I did get passed over for a few promotions but I really don't think that played much of a role in. Like, I don't know. Like that didn't motivate you to go forward with it. No, I was just like I started noticing a few examples of Michael Kay. Why are they, why did they make any exceptions newsworthy exception? So, that's the big. You phrase that we would use newsworthy exception. Like, hey, Don Lemon called white white, Was a terror

threat. Yes, we know that that violates our hate speech policy. Yes. Don Lemon broke our rules. We know that we are making a newsworthy exception to allow that. So they were politically motivated to allow certain content. And it, it sounds like it favored the left, because that's where Silicon Valley in general liens, that route. Yeah, as far as you know, where the lawyers all out of, sort of California was that kind of of California cultural, I would imagine.

So, I don't know that the law should wrote the policy of Facebook community, Guidelines are policies. We called them the implementation standards. That sounds very what's funny is that there's so many parallels between large government, you know, and large businesses that are in bed with the government I guess.

And maybe that's why. I don't know which where the crossover happen don't know if the government's trying to be like the like the one or if the if the companies are trying to be like the government, but they end up in the same sort of mealy-mouthed like word salads, yeah, where they don't mean anything, there euphemisms for something else, it's sort of Watch. Yeah. So they're doing these Community where they Community. Yeah. Community standards Community,

she wants more lingo. That's the only hope my list. You had some very funny quotations on there. I'm going to, I'm going to let you off the chain on there. Folks, this may be a little bit colorful because there's some pretty funny stuff that that Ryan has direct quotes of. And if you are at work and you need to put on headphones, you should probably do that at this point and this would be the the move. If you're at home, crank up the

volume. And I'm gonna let him just like read some of the stuff that they had to lay evaluate. And I think we'll find it all pretty. I mean, it's all comedy. I think so. Oh, this is, this is weekly guidance policy guidance. So this posted in our little like imagine you're on Facebook, you know. It's like your group, Facebook thing, and your you post questions there in your group.

So someone this is from guidance from Facebook and someone posted to the cognizant North America team August 30th and 2019 at 8:14 p.m. hashtag weekly questions, hashtag policy, guidance, and the question is number one, how should we treat clear exaggerations of speech that In claims of sexual activity. IE, get Trump's dick out of your mouth. Oh, get this is directly from the do sterilized, like this is such a, this is such a nerdy sort of exploit. It's like, how do we handle

those travels? We always had this thing in our internal chat up, the guys that are the FBI whistleblower group. We have a thing, we call it the Chad's for Freedom, although we've recently just cleaned it up and it's just this Expendables. So, guys like me and Steve and there's a couple others that are in there.

Garrett, will boil, and And whenever somebody says something, that's particularly funny or has a really good, you know, social media hit like a tweet that you know, lands or whatever and it's funny then like somebody else will be like sir, they're saying this and then they just like do that like the kind of like nerdy. You can imagine somebody running into the director's office in background.

Stars are making fun of us again and it's all I like, I just know that those people are everywhere, it doesn't matter if they're in the government, it doesn't matter if they're a Facebook at their Twitter or anything else. There's always a someone who's banging on the door with the sir. This is the thing, whoever wrote that, it's not Karen. There needs to be Male name for likes, it's like Smithers. Go ahead. What are you guys, Steve? It's Neil, it's Neil Neil. Why is it? Neil?

Because Neil takes an a Neil's. Are we going to name it? That I'm down. Okay, into that. We we could knock not Neo Neil. Any IL ya une? IL, which is synonymous with K and ee L. Yeah. So Neil is the guy that knocks on the door and says sir, they're doing this thing in there. Making fun of her again this is what you got. Take Trump's dick out of your mouth. Yeah is a big problem.

We so again, it's an exaggeration of specialized clear exaggerating drag the be clear, exaggeration of speech that contains. That's the sleep apnea sleep deprivation, that can hinge claim, sexual activity, IE get you. Unstuck Trump's dick out your mouth. Oh, get off his dick already got it. So, so it's so the guidance. Okay. What's the guidance guys? Like we come across, this this is, is this political speech?

Are they actually saying, hey, you are having sex with Trump, you need to take his dick out of your mouth. Like this could be this Regatta Regatta no claim of sexual activities, right? Because if you normally don't like to be fair reality, I mean we're not going to talk about Stormy Daniels right now but we can maybe later we. So the guidance is we should ignore content that uses clear exaggerations of speech so ignore it. So we know it's an exaggeration speed like that contains sexual

activity. Got it. We need explicit context the posters using the phrase as an exaggeration not next. Well, sexual claim got it. Okay, if context is not available, it should be enforced in court. Early, this applies to all individuals, not just public figures. Nice. Okay. So that's that's seems like a reasonable side of guidance. Yeah. But it's also funny that somebody is that Neil is concerned about that.

Yeah, Neil and Neil up at corporate, if Facebook corporate, you know, it was really concerned and we were coming across this a lot. And we do we delete this because, you know, the if you're if you're talking about using that phrase, I mean, you're clear. Talking talking about a trump supporter, if you service and get someone that you met someone who likes Trump, right? You are making fun of somebody who likes drawing.

Yeah. That's you saying stop saying this favorited speech towards somebody because they're obviously on the other side. Yeah. So can we justify way to delete content from Trump supporters? That's what they were basically asking. Hmm. Yes, we Dragon. So that's that's that's that policy. There's some other. See here, there's more about your time. You can look through these things. We got, we got, you know,

there's no rush. So one of the fun things that I think people are going to be curious about is, did this, you know, did were there any examples where they were trying to be fair? I think that we we saw some of that in the Twitter files where they were looking at stuff on the left as well and going, you know, this is also an appropriate. But I'd be curious. If they were more towards one side of the other, it was it all. I mean, was it, 90 90 10? Was it was it 5050? Probably not.

Was it? You know, 100% in one category where they were literally letting everything else go they going to say the name Steve friend but she can't say Eric Center. Marla yeah, that's good question. So because I get that question more about like, oh, the moderators themselves might get my co-workers. Yeah, can I co workers were not weren't all leftist. We were here and we were in Phoenix Arizona. We weren't in Silicon Valley, so there's some people that own guns and Arizona, America.

Yeah, just a few, just a few, there's some Shooters. Yeah, there's some shoes. Yeah. One of the people who you're not going to realize this, but when Ryan came up, we've probably been talking for 15 minutes before we sat down to do this. He's like, so are you caring? And I was like, yeah, dude, of course I am. I had to give my weapon over to Steve, so I didn't. Look ridiculous sitting down like this. So what Steve's keeping an eye on us?

He's got OverWatch for this stuff for the show, but, but yeah, that's, that's a normal conversation. Particularly in Arizona, most of Arizona, regardless, with the And say yeah seems to be pretty red. So you've got co-workers that probably felt similar to you. They may not have been willing to take a an activism stance. Yeah I'm trying. How did you know that you guys have like lunchroom conversations that we're going on? Like what are they doing?

Are we are we tilting? The speech was it was any of that discussed. So, so, honestly, I think it was like subtle enough where I think most people didn't realize it because I think, because I my background, I grew up just like following politics a lot. So I kind of noticed things that maybe wasn't obvious to everyone. Wasn't. There's always like we were accused. Oh, you're not you're in the

politics Q all day? Know, like it was a mixed Q. Like I was saying like so what's hentai in time and Donald Trump's dick is in your mouth. It's what do we do about this meme? That has like a goat and it's implying some sort of, you know, some sort of thing about Arabs or something. I don't know. Like it just a hole, just a smorgasbord of stuff coming at you? Yeah. Yeah. I think I think they tried to be

now. I think they try to be fair as much as they could like as far as our metrics are concerned like they did Like, we had Q&A, we had to be really on point. We can, I can just randomly delete stuff and get away with it. Yep. So that was good. And that was more of on the metric. Side, with cognizant, the company I worked for where they incentivize for you to get more censorship. If you censored, more things was

that. It's like, it's like, Ryan's really killing it. He's evaluated 1000 memes, and he know he's got a 68% delete rate. Is that a thing that they would look at like how do they, how do they measure you? So know that we didn't see any sign of us for more deletions and actually the print, the guiding principle to their credit, the guiding principle was like we need to justification to delete stuff. If so err on the side of okay, we want to keep more than we

delete, okay? And so, yeah, we got paid by how many jobs would like they gave us. They dumped like, you know, 10,000 jobs in our queue and we had to go through them and got it. And so, that's how we got paid. So the one. Yeah, it's so most of it was pretty subtle but the some of the stuff we're just kind of blatant. Like okay. And this is one of my favorite ones. They so Greta thumb Berg. Have I'm an activist, how dare you.

And that was there in that. That was I was working there when that happened and this is the best. First of all, when you have a 14 year old, who's borderline autistic telling world leaders about how to do policy, what's better than that, like, who doesn't want a young teenage chick who doesn't take social cues? Telling them how to do things whose outrage, he's permanently outraged. But you got a little about our

people. Her peer people adults are handling her, didn't she take a boat across the ocean? At some point was not her big thing. Yeah, there's a Good, for you really like sounds fun, eating a sandwich. And like what's that? It was. Idiotic was a big one. Oh yeah. Well, it sounds nice. She didn't solo sail at that. It's like a clean. Actually, there was a claim that members of her staff or somebody

else get flew over to meet her. It's like Bear Grylls when he was doing the, what he was doing. What was it? What was the name of that show? Man vs. Wild. Is that what it's called? Yeah. What was there so many. Sounds about right Post in the comments below. Clearly, remember girls, Ryan

knows how this works. When you don't know, you refer to the live chat, what I think it was, it was whatever Bear Grylls, story was, but they always used to joke that he would set up the thing and be like, it's really talk right now. And so I'm setting up this lean-to and I've got this going on right here then, and then, and then he would set it up and then they would cut the film. And he'd have like that, you know, the night vision care.

That he go sleep in a Marriott or something like that was the ongoing climbing up. That probably did happen, but to be fair, Bear Grylls is a super stud and he was also in the SAS Gothenburg, not so much. Greater than birth was a child. He's trying to do like a Revival analysis and like try something like 35 her, I wasn't the Sound by, I'm gonna keep that. I'm gonna put it on this and found the next time.

So you know what I do? Because this is what we saw at Facebook. We saw that picture where, you know, Trump is walking into the Union, the union, the UN, okay. And then they had to like push to get away for like security or something like that. And you see Greta just kind of In the corner. Like learning. I want to like blow that up and like, put on my wall. I just love that imagery. It's a great image.

And so, we were seeing people at Facebook saying could, you know, attacking read-a-thon Berg calling her agreed tarded. Oops, greet our today. Yeah, I'm tracking you slapper so it's, that's medium clever. Yeah, I mean, I mean first far as trolling, I'll give that like a 6.5, maybe rice, roll level six point five. So we're like, okay, like so are we have? Of course, we have the lawyers already. There's a policy for how we

treat minor public figures. Okay. So if you're if you're like involuntary like voluntarily famous it's a little bit different than voluntary famous voluntarily famous voluntarily fam. Yes, she went looking for that attention. If you count her handlers, well we don't we won't go into that. Yeah, I'm not saying she wasn't exploited by any means. I'm confident, she was exploited. I don't think she understands how it works.

Now, she does. Yeah, she's got to so like the boy policies, like if you were talking about Justin Bieber, when he was a teenager or someone either minor, you know what? JoJo. Cy is no. Okay, then we won't Jesus. He's he's he's he's like a dancer who was on like Dance Moms, dancing, mom's whatever. Okay, so like okay, you come on, I'm okay with not knowing it and people talking about things. I regularly have no idea what people are talking about when it comes to this kind of stuff. Yeah.

So, she's mean, she's famous. She's cells like merchan, but she wanted to do voluntarily famous voluntarily famous. Okay. So these people are public figures are minors, so you can't attack a minor in call them stupid. So claims of character like stupid that like if you're Talking about a private individual like someone's daughter. Random girl. No, you can't do that. But the only thing you can't talk about a minor public figure if you're about as like claims of sexual activity.

So you can't talk sexually about a minor public figure. This is so much. This is so many rules. Yeah, the other thing is that I don't know if that's a, I don't know if it's an indictment of the company having to create these rules or that human beings are just I mean my online experience is that there's a lot of vitriol and bile. There's a lot of really awful people which is why the other day I made a recommendation, I was like, I got I got badly ratioed. I what the heck was?

I even talking about. Its it was so unimportant to me, I don't even know. I got over two million views. Yeah, that's a long ways that mean, guys, I think I saw the Tweet about the, yeah, but it was about white supremacy not being the threat that people keep acting like this, which I will stand by my statement and that continues to be.

Not the case, it is not. Let's get into that a little more because will I'll clarify something so long and short of it is I make The claim white supremacy is not the threat based on my professional experience of investigating white supremacy for a number of years, which is take it or leave it. You don't have to agree with me. You don't have to believe me. I'm just telling you. I have some credentials in that field. Yeah. Having looked at it, I went looking for actual white supremacist.

They're hard to find. They're not and what the bureau calls or what federal law enforcement would refer to as white supremacy. Not really there. Yeah, two and a half million. People were very upset about my position on that and then I went out and went to a thrift store and hang out with my wife and I you know threw my kids around. Round and we went to church and we had dinner and we had some burgers. And then I came back and I was

fine. And that's that's the right answer to most the stuff that this stuff is not real. Yeah, it's there's a Korean of bile. There's so much hatred. That that's why you have to actually do this stuff. I guess if you're trying to curate a family friend, really? Yeah, platform which Facebook didn't used to be that. You remember what Facebook was started us? You want the original face was

in high school, right? You said had 2 happen in like 2006, I think it's well that's right when I was getting off so initially and I don't know if it was in 2000 or when it started much earlier than that. But essentially there used to be a thing called the Facebook that you would get in certain

schools. It was like a hit list, I guess for like dudes in college frat that I think it used to be to connect them and then it became like a dating possibilities thing, but it was just the pictures of the Freshman Class their faces. The Facebook was a thing. You would get from school. These are the new people in our college and when you had the Facebook you could look through and see oh you know like she's cute or like that's a good-looking guy. I want to meet him.

Whatever it was that's how people ended up using it and so it was just an introduction to college classes. The freshman class would have the Facebook and then everyone would know who was okay, that became a digital thing and used to have a DOT edu email address. When I first joined and you had to actually be part of the school and then you could connect School networks and people started connecting to their high school friends or they'd still stay in touch with

their high school friends. So you've got this all the lines drawn between the different colleges. And at some point they let high school students on yeah, which was probably when it became insane and then everybody was on this thing which is when I wanted to not be on it because I hate doing what everyone's doing. I'm a contrarian like that. Yeah but that was the original idea was that they were connecting all these people.

Hmm. I don't think anybody could have fathomed that it was going to become the thing that it did. Maybe they could have maybe they were prophetically and it is, I mean, I don't know, there's those theories about owe the government planned the whole thing and like, there's a lot of that I'm not going to go into the hot seat on that, but Yeah, I mean the just to finish up real quick at the thought on

Gothenburg please. Yeah, I know we can, but I'm glad you have that in your head to come back because I would have completely moved on how tell you how dare you, how dare you? So Grant, I'm okay, so she's getting attacked, right? So she just confronted Trump at the UN, okay? And she's getting attacked. So she's being called, agree charted, retarded, which I could call the minor Justin Bieber, retarded.

I can call any other minor think name, one called them recharge, because I'm not making a claim about a sexual activity, but face, Facebook in their ultimate wisdom, decided to make a newsworthy exception to disappear, you know, prohibit a tax against, they basically band the phrase, great charted, agree chart and they said, hey bursting and the thing for an entire week of the opposite of a newsworthy exception, isn't it?

It's not really new. It's like It's newsworthy because you know they're saying I guess their justification is oh, she's in the news now being attacked and we're making an exception to our own rules because why? Because he's busy, because she's Greta, I don't know. Like because she has a favorable political cause essentially was we're seeing but, but the justification behind it's got to be really bizarre because I could see you saying she's not gonna see those. She's not gonna see those

comments. Yeah, I guess the words newsworthy exception. Don't mean what we want them to mean, you know what I'm saying? The news were the exception would be like, normally we don't say the names of these. These things. But we're going to in this case because it's we wouldn't normally say the name of a minor but this minor was involved in a mass shooting and we want to name and shame that person. So we're going to do that.

Yeah. But usually people tend to go the opposite way with that like daily wire does. Yeah. Say you know the we don't name these people because we don't want to give them, you know, anything famous normally would tell you if somebody was involved in a crime but we don't name Mass Shooters. That's the newsworthy exception in the opposite I guess. Anyways, yeah, it's just interesting. It's just, it's just doublespeak.

It's classic leftism. Yeah, so it's like for an entire week like we most of us I was like out in the queue. They did a proactive pool and they dropped, they just basically looking for that hashtag. Yep. And they fed into our cues. So we're going to Tire week. Do we always deleted? It was like people, attacking credit Sundberg weird. So isn't that crazy how they can control they can? Prioritize? What we delete? What and what they were dumping into the cues?

Yeah. So they had AI, that was obviously, in the background searching through this, I'm guessing. Yeah, mmm. Was that, was that news to you? Did you not realize that there was another layer of censorship that was happening? So we kind of knew that the computer, we knew that we were training, The AI. So we were training the AI was something called continuous enforcement, okay?

So if you're on Facebook and you want to be family-friendly, you don't want to see like hey maybe I don't want to see like bikini pics or something like that or cleavage or where. So we create something is we would we would have to in addition to marking it deleting you're keeping it. We would Mark stuff if we saw someone in a bikini or showing cleavage or showing bulge or an erection, we would delete that wonderful. So we had thank you for being

very medical about that. That's I wouldn't have necessarily put those two together, but that is, I guess the male version of that. Yeah. And we use it was so weird. Like imagine a lawyer like defined. See what cleavages like, that's just weird. Yeah. Anyways just like a depth discussion. I'm like how? Yeah there's like it's like okay it was their shadowy one side or that side is there. It was just odd. So the cool thing about this whole job was like the culture go.

So you're worried that you're there with her people in the early 20s. I high school and you're sitting there talking about like the the weirdest thing in the world. Why have to look at child porn? This occasionally, it's horrible. But like you develop a certain Bond? I'm sure you share with your people and your friends Corky I yeah, when you're dealing with this stuff that's traumatizing. We had to see we saw live

suicides. We saw the images on Instagram where they're slitting their wrists. We have to delete and send them, you know information like a hotline number. So you're reporting some things, the law enforcement and yeah and we were sending CEI too long for us, we were reporting in a white supremacist. Most dangerous individuals terrorist organization. Okay, so the policy for let me go into what we're talking about before. Yeah. Let's at least some of this stuff.

Has some background where it could benefit Humanity? Yeah. Yeah. I think all the training the AI to kill us all which it sounds like you guys were also doing but yeah. Okay. So what Supremacy specifically it's hot button topic right now there's people talking about it all last week because Biden was saying this the big problem. What's Facebook's take on it? You know during your time there? What was the evolving position looking like?

Yeah. So I was at Facebook when we had the Christ Church shooting And so in and New Zealand. So that is he posts his Manifesto on Facebook? Wasn't that where that went? I believe? So. Okay. All right. So he posted his Manifesto and then he, yeah, he basically. Yeah. So that's, we saw those attacks and like, here's the thing. So dangerous individuals and organizations that policy dangerous orgs we just we call dangerous shorts. Yeah. So included like mass shootings.

So we would clarify classify mass shootings and then we would also classify Groups. Yep. So we had a list, we literally had a list to look at PDF, we I'm like, hey, is this person this in a white supremacist? Or is this person on a terrorist organization? We'd pull the list from the Department of State and we look okay. Is that symbol look like kinda? I don't know. Is it? So it's upside down. Okay. So it's not like, I'd okay, we're good. Okay. So you're literally trying to

compare against. Some government databases is some that Facebook must have compiled because there's not a list of white supremacist that I'm aware of, right? So they made their own lists, but the FBI is really good. Putting out symbols guides. Yeah. You ever get one of those? We had symbols guy so maybe they use some stuff from the if I'm sure if they their unclassified

that's the other thing. A lot of those were meant for law enforcement engagement but I've never I mean obviously you weren't doing a law enforcement job but it was adjacent enjoy and then they probably got some of it from Southern Poverty, Law. Oh good. Yeah, they're very reputable, everyone knows so well those guys. Yeah, they hate the Catholic Church to. So as they hate really, really, yeah, they hate all churches. I'm pretty sure the, hey, How dare you? How dare you?

How dare they? They hate God. They want government to be God. So yeah. So we had those those lists. So I looked through like, okay and then at one point while I was there they're like you know what these these Dwight I'm trying to remember the terminology but basically they prioritized like there were, you know, there's obviously extremist groups of different races. Sure. But they prioritize white supremacy over other groups course and the, the funniest thing too is I don't know.

I don't want this in my documentary when it comes out for behind the mask of My book is like, where can people get it? Just before I forget to talk. It will take it again. Yeah. So behind the mask of Facebook, it's on Amazon. And it's with my co-author can't hack and Lively who's written with Judy make of its and Well published author. Spell your last name so people can find it.

My last name is Hartwig haart wi G. It's only one I'll not the to like what's that other one is that there's somebody that has two eyes and Hartwig every time I see your name, I think you should be another time. Yeah, so it's height:0 width:0. It's not hard. It's like I have a heart but not a wig but it's not the haart wi G. Yeah. On Amazon behind the mask of Facebook.

Yep. All right, so you're going to do you're going to and you've got a bunch of footage that did not get released by Veritas yes sir none of it's own animal with very short, hot hits. Yeah, I mean how do you condense nine months? So I filled with the Han camp for nine months. How do you convince nine months of footage into like a 10-minute? Was this your they gave you the cameras or was Is your camera? They supplied me this playing with the camera.

Okay, good deal. So they're just like, hey, go film and then knock yourself out. Yeah, knock yourself out. So I would film and I'd go home at night and I transcribe. Yeah, what I filmed and so it's a lot of work. He is, people have no idea what kind of work that some of these people that have been exposing things particularly on a corporate level. What that looks like. It's that's I didn't know that.

Yeah, I didn't know that you were sitting there doing hand transcriptions of all this stuff or writing it all up. Yeah. That's totally wild and you're doing it for nine months. And how did you know when you were done or did they find you? So, because I actually like, I remember like the, here's the funny thing. So folks, the reason why I wanted Ryan to come on, his story was released right in the middle of the covid shutdowns.

And everybody got lost in the hysteria of what was happening in this country for lockdowns and you know, government censorship was considered. Okay? We all knew it was wrong. People were like yelling about other things. This was all happening in real time and then a bunch of news stories got lost, including Young people like Aaron Stevenson who you? And I both know, and I've had on our show before their stories disappeared, even though in many ways, they were really, really

wild things happening. Yeah. They were just happening in a time when something so wild was happening that we've never done it before, they shut down our economy. Yeah. And so your I think in some ways, your story got lost in the noise. Yeah. Yeah. The little signal, got a little bit distorted. Yeah. So like, like, I went so I filmed pretty sure sale early, like, fall of 2019 and of early February, 20, 20, and so the

crazy Is my, the contract ended. So I would have kept on filming but the contract ended Congress intended. The contract prematurely God is so we all got laid off in February of 2020, right before covid. And then I fill my interview with with project. Veritas I thought in New York, right? After that, in March of 2020. And so obviously with the timing that we didn't release it, then we release it in June, right?

But yeah, how do you you have all this footage and you're like, okay, what do you know, how do you, what do you do? Do with all of it, but usually how many hours of footage you think you have? I mean so I would say for so three or four months I filmed almost daily but not like the entire day, right? Sometimes. So I probably have at least as extra like 20 to 30 hours of footage that's a lot. Yeah and you might yeah yeah that's intense. So you got to watch all that.

You got to break it down, you got to break it down into ten seconds or 20 seconds. The things that are valuable that to hit into a documentary. Yeah. That's, that's pending though. People can see some of the stuff behind the mask, which I think will be eye-opening. And then they can also obviously see that the For You released with Veritas. Yeah, they can go find this, although still on YouTube or they get censored, they're still on YouTube. So it's got another.

Another Facebook Insider is the title of the video project Veritas and of course, it got stifled by YouTube. When I went out, of course, and that was before telegram before, you know, very proud of your tiles and Telegram. And so, I did. I've done like, over and probably 200 interviews since then in the last three years. Lot of which were Spanish language. Spanish language did a lot in South America. Brazil actually, not in Portuguese, I speak some Portuguese and I've done some. What?

I was throwing that out there. Yeah, humble brag. Oh yeah, by the way, I'm trilingual, and this is some people know this. You may not know me, but I'm kind of a big deal. That's right. Exactly. Correct. And you had your Facebook account seized because of all this stuff too. So your sensor, your your out. Yeah. My Instagram got deleted. It 4K my Twitter still. Got ya. So you were basically doing a whistleblower activity about censorship and then became the victim of censorship.

There's some irony in that. Yeah, they probably don't appreciate. I mean, the funny thing is like Facebook didn't respond publicly to the story because they probably knew like they responded to just make it a bigger story. Yes. I want to give any hair to these stories, right? And you think about scandals with Facebook. Okay. Everyone knows about camera General etiqa right? Yes. Right Steve. I mean. Okay, what was that? Okay? Yeah, people doing what was? A big Scandal.

I mean people were yeah, Facebook's always been selling your data and it was used by a political party to yep. Targeted marketing. That's what they do. In the mouth, literally their business model and less. I understand it differently. Yeah. So the scope of this week now people say okay Ryan you just gave a few examples like that's not a lot like okay I think of

the scale. Alright, 1500 moderators here, there's probably what 20 to 30,000, moderators across the u.s. who are moderate and content multiple sites. Multiple sites. Each of those individuals whose moderating is About 200 pieces of content a day. So x times twenty thousand thirty two hundred times. Let's just say 200 times twenty thousand. Wow, that's what formula, 40 million 4 million. I don't know the math but that's a lot of pieces of content and F. And if let's say, let's say, 20%

of that is political content. Then what are you doing? You're influencing elections and worldwide. And so I talked about the man that much about, I talk about that in my book about how Facebook is influencing elections globally. And you, otherwise, It wasn't blowers have come forward. So if he's saying was a software engineer data scientist for Facebook, she's like, hey dictators in South America are using bots on Facebook to

influence public opinion. This Guy's real, this is so it goes from innocuous things like, you know, get the D out of your mouth. You're talking about Donald Trump. And should we be talking about this or not? Is this sexually explicit to despots and tyrants saying? I'm going to be able to use this this tool? And I'm going to use it to influence the elections in my space because it could be micro-targeted to my country, right?

Yeah. And and and one of the reasons why you and I are set in the same room right now is because we're all part of this program. This progress what he called project that's going talking about the the sort of pending police state in the United States and whether we are teetering on the brink of it or whether we've already fallen over the edge and the way that the police state we had this conversation over dinner last night. I'll preview to it right now. Things like the Bi things like

Facebook censorship. Those are all weapons. And weapons are not inherently evil. Yeah. Right or their tools, even more accurately. But a tool becomes very evil when you take a chainsaw that you could use to take down a tree and clear a road. That would be good.

Yeah. Or you could take a chainsaw into a middle school and start hacking people to death and if you are going to use the tool in a way, that is dangerous destructive antisocial Etc, then that's the real scary part and that's what you you guys were helping train these these Ai. And now it's being turned against as an actual weapon for politicization in the same way. We see. ER federal government going right?

Know exactly. And in the context of you know, soviet-style censorship, you think about the so many Bolshevik Revolution and you think about Lenin and destroying the political party opposing political party and you're using, you know? Basically, it's one of the Lennon's, big things was Mass public education and so like,

how do you do ma'am? And if Lenny would love this level Only Love Facebook because I think all the tyrants would love it. It's not, it was Available to them, to be able to reach directly into people's, you know, eyeball is right in front of your eyes. Yeah, and it's the things that you are. You think you're finding them on your own?

That's what's really wild. You're curating it but it's already been curated for you and that's why it that's almost like Inception. Yeah, the movies talk about how you have an idea, they got a plant, an idea. If you haven't seen Inception, go see it such a really good. But if you haven't seen the movie Inception, the concept being that that you believe something that someone else gave you an idea to believe, and so they have to cede it.

That's what Inception is and that's what we're talking about. Yeah, they are, they're actually doing Inception. Yeah, yeah. They're planning. Those ideas and I there's a, you know, dr. Robert Epstein is a research and he's worked close to cloak closely with Zach Voorhees the Google whistleblower and I've talked to dr. Epstein and dr. Epstein is a leftists. Like he's a classical liberal, so many of these people and yeah, I don't even know if he's a leftist. That makes them kind of.

He's also left. Alright, he's left Lee. Yeah, he's definitely not a Republican. And he's exposed how Google does these ephemeral searches. So like it doesn't leave an imprint. So if you search something at suggest it then it you know these the imprint on you suggest something to you and plants that seed but there's no trace of that ever happening. Like there's no they don't document it, it's not documented anywhere. Okay. It's all this Emeril ephemeral. Yeah.

Ephemeral searches. Okay. That leaves a impression without ever a mark of of it. Yeah, so he would be able there's no recommend research, have as researchers tracked those and see Other influencing elections. So, yeah. And this is it really is like out of a movie like where it's just like this insane technology that's being used just like all the despots and tear in it you know dictators use but it's so much more sophisticated than just leafleting people or

putting up banners everywhere. Yeah. Right. I mean it's just like you say, this is the wet dream of those, who imposed the tyrannical regimes of the 20th century. Yep, it's 21st second 21st century. Balaji doing it. And we're not hip to it yet in the same way that people weren't hip to like, you know, a false story in the New York Times. That was a, you know, puff piece on behalf of a government.

Now, if you put out a New York Times puff piece, or you try to take out a hit on Steve Fred and say that his character is garbage people go, like it's the New York Times their trash. You can't believe anything that the the right. Yeah. People still trust things that are online. They do as long as it agrees with their basic sets about, I guess, because we Anna. I mean, that's the thing about like, Echo Chambers to like online and that's What one of my super, my supervisor at work at

Facebook was like yeah. We try to like isolate people into like separate kind of well, I guess essentially Echo Chambers right. Silos silos, which is not really a good thing necessarily but it may reduce like a kind of tension between groups. But you're getting you're talking about, they're trying to make political Echo Chambers for people at work. Well, I guess as far as the echo chamber is go, I want to say, Yeah.

The the information that they have inside of that is not very substantive so I won't really go into that much but I like being fair, the fact that they discussed the theory or mentioned like the my supervisor brought it up. It was going to be interesting that they would be faced with even think about that. Like why why do you even care?

If where people are interacting with people like just it's the free should be a free-for-all if you like what someone says been blocked that person that's a great. So Kind of where we are, but yeah, 100 years ago and you know Russia, you know, the opposition would, you know, to humiliate someone, they take him to trial and take that whole political prior to trial to destroy that brand. So now Facebook is being used by the government to destroy the

brand of what is our brand? People who believe in the people who believe? I tend to believe this experience. Yeah. People who believe that there is, in fact, a God, I think that's the biggest danger for the leftist movement. That's they're going after their political opponents, which is the further on the right. That's people who believe that there's a capital G and God and they want to replace it with a capital G and government. Yeah. Does that sit? I think, that's right.

I think, that's right. I think, they're trying to destroy that brand and anything that they can do to destroy that brand, they'll, you know, they're using these tools or weaponizing them. And so, we're learning everything new things every week about how the FBI weaponized it. And I don't think it's people like, oh, it's the FBI doing. Yeah, the FBI is involved. And the government is corrupt and the courts are not trying to fix section 230.

I work with Jason Fick with the social media, Freedom Foundation, I'll have him on at some point to. Yep. And, you know, he, he went to, he's been trying to go to court for a while he sued Facebook, because they took down his page with no reasons for no reason. Now, he's suing the government itself. Because if you look at like why this is all happening like the government, the laws have been misinterpreted?

Yes, the section 230. Protections, were misinterpreted giving Facebook more protection than they should and Justin Kevin on, in a similar type ruling just a few months. Ago basically said we don't want to disrupt the status quo. Yeah. Like okay, what's your job then you're supposed to interpret the law to fix. I don't right there is no status quo all. It's either right? Or it's wrong. We all have that. That's the conservative

position. Essentially, that there is a right and a wrong and that may be, the difference is that a leftist position? Is this sort of like, Like operational morality. Yeah, like it's okay only because it's been going on and things are not in chaos, but that doesn't make it right. I think that's why they were so reticent to go after things like row. They didn't want to even take on the case because it would have

disrupted the status quo. Yeah, just because it was happening, doesn't mean it was okay. It doesn't mean it was good. Yeah. Interestingly enough. I talked to Jason 50 other day on a Twitter space and he and he texts me every once in a while, he's a wild do to talk to you. Like you have to rate him and he knows so much. Yeah about 2:30, but I guess this case failed to be picked up by the the writ of certiorari to go to the Supreme Court. Yeah.

And then because the actions taken, he has new cases that are being filed. The dude is a warrior in this space like in the lawfare space, he just does not give up. So God bless the pit bulls that are out there. Yeah, there's so many fights folks. I think this is one of the things that we can all walk away with. It doesn't matter if it's Facebook, what doesn't matter if it's the FBI, it doesn't matter if it's Google. It doesn't matter if it's the

rest of the federal government. The failure of our court system. Pick one fight that you're good at that, you are passionate about. You have one thing that your, your kind of honed in on and that's all we have bandwidth as human beings. We don't have a I like capabilities so you can only do if you spread your attention. So, broadly, you'll basically do nothing. I think that's what I think it's what they want.

They being people that want the status quo, they want you to be outraged about everything and do something about nothing. Yeah, right. If you spend all your time, knowing all the little bits that you could be outraged about, Be unsuccessful in doing anything about the one thing that you might be able to do some? Yeah, you gotta pick your

battles in that. Let's let's be honest like what's, you know it's it's almost you know I sometimes I'm a little bit pessimistic because there's so much to do. That's right. And I don't know, are we at the point where we got to keep fighting, no matter what? But yeah, be smart and strategic about what your battles are and, you know, raise your family crazy, you know, have a religious beliefs that then that is the victory honest to God. We out breed them. Number one.

One them being whoever doesn't believe the way you do and then thinks this country is, you know, trash and needs to be reformed dramatically because this was a pretty good place to grow up for me. Yeah, I'm guessing you experience the same thing in Arizona. Yeah, 30 years ago was a good spot to be too. It's good to see. I was a good spot to be and I think yeah. Just ask. Yeah, just just go to England and you know, they the over the breeding and migration does work.

So it does the yeah. They can overrun us and Arizona's actually, one of the places we've probably seen some of that stuff. So that's kind of yeah. And I think overall, I think, Just as a last note here is my my book talks about a lot of different things and we would talk about immigration as well, but, you know, I think I'm going

kind of going off topic here. But as far as immigration goes, I think, I think so, you know, would you rather had I think as far as people immigrating into our country, like from the southern border, most of them tend to be Catholic religious. So right, if I'm going to have people in by my country who are Catholic religious or people who are not, I would rather prefer. I don't think it goes the way they think it goes.

I think when you keep bringing in people that are other what you know, that are basically Christian and or specifically Catholic, yeah, you're going to get Catholics in this country. There's already a lot of them. It doesn't go. That doesn't eventually end up in the left, particularly with the way that the left is fighting against the things that are fundamentally important. They used to have sort of an agnostic position about abortion and, you know, she's safe legal

and rare and all that nonsense. They've given that up now. It's a Sacrament, yeah, and sort of. And so now you re basically choosing, whether if you're going to be a religious person, you don't have a choice but to vote Center. Right. There's only one party in town that's covering that and for all their faults, which are significant. Yeah. That's kind of fun. All right, I want to be respectful of your time.

I know you've got some of the things you got to go do, he's going to have some time folks, you can also see Ryan soon in and out upcoming documentary of which Steve friend will also be joining. And I will be part of it as well. On a panel discussions with a covering all the different sort of topics. You can get a smattering of those and how they move towards a police state. I think we're all fighting our own battles within that to try to stop that and we're all going

to be part of it till people. Where they could follow you on different socials? I know you have a d boosted, Twitter. I will boost the your tag and I will see you can find it on my Twitter, but tell them your handles. So you my websites just Ryan Hart week, dot org. Suddenly my name.org haart wi G, I'm primarily on Gap right now. Yeah. Just real, a real Reinhardt wig. So that's my primary social media. Twitter is Hartwig underscore free so, but, yeah, check me out yet.

Check me out on line, the social media. If you want to copy my sign book, let me know, shoot me. Email just Ryan Hartwig at proton mail.com. Awesome. You think protonmail is good. Is it secure? I'd say it's a lot better than Gmail. Yeah. I'd say I need to get off Gmail and I keep thinking that I'm too lazy to get off. Probably like, all of you, are, we all should be asking yourself DPN. Yeah, there's it. That's the way to go. I try to use a VPN. Where do you say, you are?

Do you try to put yourself in somewhere else? I do. So, I use sure surf shark and it's like surf shark. It's a cheap. I usually just put it in where I am most of the time, unless I'm doing less than trying to be really see, really a secret. I want to be in the Owens just Brian why? I've got your pay to ask you a question for a friend yams.

Do you know what would happen for somebody who's married to an FBI whistleblower has a Facebook account and sends a private message to somebody from Mom's for Liberty saying, I'm a wife of a FBI whistleblower, thank you very much. And then 30 minutes later had her account indefinitely suspended for violating Community standards. Wow, DM censorship. What do you think private message? We know that we know that face.

Slides into your DMs like that. They used to line their dreams and actually I met this guy, you're going to get going pretty soon, but we, I met this guy. I met this guy and the fish, Arizona State Fairgrounds who was doing security, mmm, and he worked for Facebook, corporate like the, with the head honchos. And yeah, and so he knows that there's at the top level, he and other people could go into anybody's DMS for like long, you know, suppose. The law enforcement purposes.

We're not going loss for words. Just I'm checking they can go into your DMs so the yeah that's that's pretty that's it's interesting situation where you get the wife of an FBI that guy so she wanted to she deemed. Okay. Wow. And then she got our account suspended. Why is that wouldn't surprise you though? Don't it doesn't surprise me. So folks that you're on, yeah, ongoing this is the ongoing Crusade of the Kyle Serafin. Show. Put your conversations in places where they are.

Encrypted end-to-end. That's why protonmail is your better bet than Gmail? That's why any end-to-end encrypted. I I use signal generally speaking but there are others. There are things like session. There are things like wicker me which is owned by Amazon cloud services, which makes me think they're probably compromise, but I can't say they are. If you can protect your data in motion, you should protect your data because otherwise you don't

know who else is reading them. And you don't know who else is making decisions based on what your ability to communicate. It is going to look like, and and those are out there, whether you're using plain SMS, actually, iMessage is supposed to be encrypted, I just know that that I don't necessarily trust Apple, persuade WhatsApp is compromised, actually, it's encrypted. I mean, I think they can read it. That's that's been the case for

a little bit, too. Yeah. So, anyway, do do some of your own research. I hate the, do your research, but that is important that you guys, you have to be responsible for your own data. Think it's a pretty decent place to stop about it. And one of those things you have to be responsible, if is your Facebook usage, Greta Van Berg, or otherwise Ryan buddy. Thanks for joining me. Tag you in this. I hope we get to see you again. Soon if I'm in Mesa will go shoot some guns. That will happen.

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