Rob Green: Military Accountability | EP 289

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And he's also the author of the Declaration of Military Accountability. My guest today is Commander Rob Green, who is in his personal capacity. That's right. How we doing, Sir? Doing very well, Kyle. Thank you for having me on. Thanks for being on with me. I'm going to call you Rob. So we don't have any sort of issues with the Department of the Navy or less anyone think you're representing something you're not. Is that cool with you? Oh yeah, absolutely. I appreciate your reading.

The disclaimer up front. I typically don't do it. I had APAO and a legal review at one point from a friend and he said, you know what, You're so far off narrative, you don't have to worry. You know, you don't speak for them. So when I am asked to say it, I typically say something along the lines of yes. I don't speak for for anybody who is a domestic enemy to the Constitution. I like that.

I like that a lot. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of our government, a lot of our military has sort of stepped into that space, and a lot of people forgot that their oath was to the Constitution, not to their branch of service and not their their government agency. Huh. What a weird time to be alive. All right, Rob, I want to start with who you are and then we'll get into what you've been doing and how you got there. So we'll just kind of take our

time, if that's cool with you. I want to give you the floor, tell people where you're from and how you describe yourself. Obviously there's there's show notes if people want to read about it, but I'd like it in your own words. Yeah, thank you, Navy commander. Father of seven, traditional Catholic. And I mean, I I would never, ever want to be in the public light, the public sphere, certainly, you know, never doing social media stuff.

But we got into this fight when the Navy started trying to chase me down with a a needle with a biological agent that I don't need. And and then I really started doing a bunch of research and realized, hey, we're breaking a couple laws here. And then went on the offensive as soon as we realized what this was doing to people and and what was it was doing to the Constitution that we swore an oath to defend, completely shredding it.

And so this, that's how I got into this whole fight and why we're talking. I appreciate that. Where did you grow up? Where are you from? From Alabama originally, and then went to Ole Miss for a year, went to the Naval Academy. After that, met my wife. She's from Steubenville, OH. Her dad was in the administration at the university for like 30 years. So we we met in a place called Catholic Family Land Apostolate for Family Consecration up in Bloomingdale.

OH, I had a break at the Naval Academy for a week, went met my family up there. She was working there and so we got married two days after graduation from the Academy. OK, fair enough. That's a that's a good origin story. And Alabama the beautiful, right. That's the way they say it. On the, on the signs on the way in. It it is. It is a very beautiful state. Hard of Dixie. I didn't know that when I first drove through Alabama. This was years ago.

I think I was active duty. I think I was driving out to to Fort Bragg and I drove through it and and it said Alabama the beautiful. And I went like, yeah, whatever. Everyone has a little little catch phrase and then it is a shockingly gorgeous state. Especially when you go east to West and cross it and you just go, man, there's some, there's some real beauty in this country. It's worth defending, it turns out. It is. It is. It's very hot down there though. Yeah, yeah.

No, I can't do that anymore. I almost died a heat stroke when I was active duty, so I'm no longer doing the the game of the the American South, OK, Do you want to see where you're currently stationed right now? Is that relevant to anything or do you want to hide that? Well, it it doesn't matter. I mean, the ones who oppose what we're standing for, they all know where I live. So as you obviously know, they. So I was in Newport, RI when everything went down.

I was the executive officer of a 650 person unit up there, got fired from that job and then exiled for seven months. And eventually when we started winning in court and they realized they can't court martial me or kick me out involuntarily, they said, hey, we're gonna have to put you back to work. So after seven months of of exile and no contact where they, you know, probably hoped that would just go away, they said, hey, we're gonna have to put you back to work, move me back to Virginia.

And you know, I'm in. I'm in the southern Virginia area now. OK, fair enough. No, that's good enough. I don't need you to get too specific, and there's no upside to that for anybody. Let's talk about your military career. You just talked about graduating, getting married. Obviously you've got 7 kids, so they came. Spanner What's your oldest and your youngest kid wise? Almost 16 down to two. Yeah that's a big spread. That's a wild that's a wild household.

As you you mentioned before we got started I'm, I'm much more

compact. I've got a 7 month old right now who's trying to figure out how to walk, which scares me 'cause right when they start getting mobile, you know that that phase where it's like, oh boy, it's I always tell people it's like the velociraptors being able to turn the handles in Jurassic Park where you just suddenly are like my wife and I kind of go white eyed and we're like let's talk about where was your first command kind of your movement through.

And and the reason I want to do that is I want to discuss my buddy Steve calls it the the system idealist. The people who love the system tend to be the ones that do what you have done. Step up and say hey I'm willing to lose my job over this because you actually believe in it. Let's talk about sort of how you progressed and and you know where you were, where your commands were as a as an officer moving through the Navy. Yeah. So I did a couple destroyer tours out of Norfolk.

It was my very first commanding officer is now the the Navy Inspector General, a three star Admiral. I mentioned him in the book because I I believe that Admiral John Fuller had a great opportunity to help stop some of this lawlessness and you know he defended the institution rather than the Constitution. So I talked a little bit about that. I I went to a shore duty

command. After that I was doing weapon systems testing for the Navy, got a master's degree in operations research, a modeling and simulation master certificate focused on data analytics, things like that. I did five years as AGS and a reservist in the Navy and then eventually said hey, I want to get back and lead. So I reactivated permanent active duty as a reserve management officer and now that's where they sent me to Newport, RI where I was the EXO of a of a security squadron up

there. Talk about the the culture that you saw and if it's evolved since you came in. I know it's always different when you're kind of a younger guy watching it. But as you've moved more senior in rank, what have you seen the evolution of our U.S. military? It's interesting. We had almost no training on the Constitution. I mean, looking back on it, I didn't think it was a big deal, but we train on everything.

Annual training for, you know, Sapper, you know, sexual assault prevention and response for insider threats and cybersecurity stuff, for suicide awareness. We train on everything every year, a big deal. But we don't train on the Constitution. And I I found that odd in looking back in hindsight that that I never experienced any of that and as I've gone up in rank, it was always imparted on me.

Hey, you have more responsibility and instead of pushing the constitution, they were pushing the institution. You you know we protect this house. It was sort of an NFL shield kind of thing. When I finally put on O5 commander in the Navy it would be the Lieutenant Colonel in the other branches. I I was pulled aside by my O6. My my captain, and he's mentioned to me. Hey, you're now a senior officer in the Navy. You're a field grade officer.

You're the lowest rank of senior officer, but you now have a huge responsibility to protect the institution. The institution comes first. I had a sidebar conversation with him. He pulled me aside and and gave me that lecture like, hey, now, now you protect the shield. And I I can't think of anything that, you know, that set us up more then this mindset from our senior leaders. And it's been decades in in the making. We're, you know, we got into this problem over decades.

We're not gonna get out of it in a short period of time. It's gonna take a while. But we're gonna have to clean out the institutional rot that is protecting all of our institutions before they protect the principles that underlined the Constitution. That is where we're at. And we have that problem in the military. From your story, you have that problem from the FBI.

We have that everywhere. It's it's the institution above the Constitution. Do you think that it's because people don't know what's in the Constitution or what their role in defending the Constitution is? 'Cause I I see it goes both ways in the GSI, but I don't have any eyes on sort of the senior military end of it. I I think it's a little bit of both. They don't understand what's in it, but they don't understand the underlying principles either.

So how you defend it from the military perspective, we all know a foreign adversary could come in and you know, overthrow our constitutional way of life, you know, from an outside in sort of thing. That's what we're there to protect. It's it's the foreign threat, the foreign adversary, that kind of thing. But when we take our oath, we raise our right hand. We say, you know, I swear to support and defend the Constitution. It's not just against the

foreign enemy. It's all enemies, foreign and domestic, right. So, well, I I've, I've talked about this before in other interviews, but the Constitution does 2 main things. It establishes the form of our government, but then it sets individual liberties, individual constitutional rights, as having primacy over everything else. The Constitution is designed to protect individual rights, not protect the institution from individuals.

So if you don't understand that it's individual rights that have premacy, then you're missing the point of a Constitution. There is no greater thing an American can do in defending the Constitution than defending individual constitutional rights. And so our senior military leaders have completely set that aside and they only focus on foreign. And when you know, they are asked to trample on individual rights, it's not a second thought for them 'cause there's no risk to them.

And so we, we have tried to impart some risk recently. And you know, we, I, I wrote the Declaration of Military Accountability. And you know, we have gone on the offensive a little bit and and public speaking and those kinds of things. But until we hold somebody accountable for trampling the individual rights element, what they were supposed to defend, the domestic enemy, we're gonna

keep having this problem. So folks, you can find the the military accountability link that is in the show description. You can find Rob's Twitter handle there as well and you can click through and you can do that link.

And then also the book, we put the link to the Amazon book if people want to do it. Is it fair to say that as a junior person, maybe as a lower enlisted and maybe as a junior officer, you're rightly focused because you're probably more in the kinetic end of things that you're going to be doing that that defense against the foreign and then as you move up and rank that your job becomes more and more guarding the individual

liberties. I mean it seems like there may be a bifurcation there and that and that that sort of it, it may be a spectrum that changes and you kind of move from as rank goes up. You might have to get more and more aware of the fact that you're probably going to be Pentagon based or you're going to be shoreside command based in in a lot of places. Well, if there is a bifurcation, I think it's an inappropriate 1:00. Every single individual took that oath.

Every single individual has an equal responsibility to defend against foreign and domestic enemies. And so every single person has a responsibility to put that into practice. If you've seen the video of Senior Airman Lance Castle, of course, getting getting attacked, those individuals who did that, we're trampling upon his, his rights, and we're doing so based on a lawless agenda, based on actual violations of the law. And so you know from the lowest ranks to the highest ranks, we

have the same obligations there. Now as the senior ranks go, you you get more strategic both against the foreign enemy and the domestic enemy is the way it should be. It should be the ideal. And you're strategic and thought, you're thinking through, you know, much greater campaign plans and things that that we have to put in place to ensure that, you know, we're putting the right deterrence in

place for foreign adversaries. But we have ignored deterring the encroachment into individual rights and it's been going on for a very long time, decades. You know, it's it's not just a military problem. It's across society. Your issue specifically at least came to a head underneath the the COVID vaccine mandates, but didn't they kind of solve some of these problems with the anthrax lawsuits? Didn't didn't some of that get addressed at some point?

And then did we just forget it or how did that happen? Well, I forget it. Certainly it it certainly seems that way. So in 2000, you know, one, they came out with mandates. It was roughly that time frame. There was a lawsuit filed afterwards. And then Dovi Rumsfeld, the plaintiffs, won in that case and the ruling was, hey, DoD broke the law in 2005.

Shortly afterwards, Congress put in place laws protecting service members from having to receive emergency, you know, use authorized products, investigation on new drugs, things like that. It's always been an inalienable right. Human beings have bodily autonomy rights and without, you know, going through, you know, 5th Amendment processes like we always retain those rights.

So Congress, you know, giving a statutory law, it's a lower level law and and certainly a good one to say, hey, you know, you can't experiment on service members, but the principle has always been there. The constitutional principle, you know, it has supremacy over the statutory laws that have been enacted by Congress. And so you know, you're you're in a situation where no one understands any either of those

things. The Department of Defense completely trampled both the statutory law and the constitutional rights in enacting the COVID-19 mandates. And so, yes, of course, they completely ignored, you know, both what happened with anthrax and then the laws that were enacted afterwards by Congress to protect service members. Did those laws layout punishment for those who violated them? Are they is that part of the the DoD statute that that are protecting? No, it it doesn't layout.

You know, specific punishments, but it does layout rights. It does state that that service members have a right to accept or refuse an emergency use product. Emergency use products were the only things provided to service members or you know, any American actually, now that we've gone and done the research and so we've always had the

right to refuse. And and so trampling upon that right and demanding that you, you know, accept the government's decision on your, you know, personal risk for, you know, health risk. Completely insane to me, but also a very clear violation of both statutory law and constitutional rights. So my experience would be very different than yours as a guy who came and enlisted. I also came enlisted at 27. So when I remember going through basic, there was a sort of attitude.

It's like now you belong to the department of the Air Force son. Like you know you might as well get it tattooed on your butt kind of thing. And I was like, no, I'm, I'm a grown man. I have all kinds of rights and you have no say in them. Like that's not going to be the case. But for an 18 year old who's getting very, you know, formed in their mental thinking that impacts them. So they think, you know, I

better ask you for a tattoo. All these other kind of deals, does the did the Department of the Navy sort of do that same sort of indoctrination like you have less rights than a regular citizen. Do they put that mentality out there as as those? I'm I'm curious on the officer side as well because the enlisted side, it's kind of like you better ask permission before you do anything.

And you know, even just travelling outside of a certain radius, you know, there's all kinds of restrictions that fall on you. But none of those are your personal bodily autonomy, as you just stated. But there is that attitude that it's like, well, you kind of signed up for this. You you get whatever we send you. That's your job. To a certain extent, that does happen. I mean, it's it's officer enlisted. It's everywhere. You know that, hey, your government property. Hey, you.

You have accepted certain restrictions. Yeah. It's completely wrong. It's in defiance of, you know, the clear constitutional principles that we don't lay down our citizenship when we, you know, join voluntarily, join the service. And so yes, we do give up, you know, certain freedoms. We we, you know, we retain all of our basic human rights, right? We our basic constitutional rights. We retain those.

But you can be told, hey, you've got to wear this uniform, you've got to wear this unit patch, You have to cut your hair a certain way. We are giving up those basic freedoms in order to serve and you know, potentially sacrifice on behalf of the security of the nation. What what cannot happen though is that the government take everything away. The government use you, as you know chattel property and assume that you have no rights.

And so that that is where you know where do you draw the line on what's permissible and what's not. It's far smarter. People have been working on this for centuries and and you know, there's UCMJ and there is legal precedent set and those laws have been pretty well defined. The judicial precedence has been pretty well set.

And yet in this particular case, and I demonstrated in the book, they have violated those basic, you know, lines in the sand that have been drawn by historical precedent, legal precedent, both statutory and constitutional rights. So they have gone way too far in assuming federal power over the individual. And it's it's forced thousands of us to stand up and say something about it.

Do you think that if there were statutory penalties laid out in some of these whistleblower protection laws, in some of the, you know, the the rights to not take a emergency youth authorization drugs, would that have been a barrier that would have at least been a better stop sign or a flashing light on the stop sign that let these people not not kind of trample over the individual liberties that were that were being trampled? I I absolutely do think that that would help.

Now whether that's the right thing to do or not, I I don't know. I I'm beginning to be of the opinion that we have legislated ourselves to death, right. There's 1000 laws out there and you can be walking across the street and breaking a certain law. And having been from the law enforcement side, I mean it's it you probably understand very well that you can, you can use those kinds of things while you, you know, never talk to police, right. Yeah, I want my lawyer.

That's what you say. Just because you can be entrapped into, you know, becoming the, the target of an investigation, you know, because you've, you know, maybe broken three laws in the course of a day. You had no idea. We're on the books. So there are, you know, thousands of laws that you couldn't read the entire, you know, all the titles of of, you know, American statute in the course of a year. I get you just couldn't sit down and do it.

So, So is it the right thing to do to dictate what all the penalties are for everything? Probably not. But the principle you're talking about, I think, is absolutely something that we need to have. We need to have accountability, we need to have repercussions for people who break the law. And it's why. It's why we went and named the military Admirals and generals who did. You know, we do have evidence broke the law.

That's why we named them in the Declaration of Military Accountability, which everybody can find on military accountability.com or.net. It'll take you to the same spot. And it's why we laid out our plan to, you know, since no one else is doing it. Congress isn't doing it. Our own leaders aren't doing. Executive branch isn't doing it. We're gonna hold them accountable ourselves. And so we we lay two ways out that we're gonna do it.

For those of us who run for office, we're going to introduce legislation to reduce their retirement income to 0. For those who are, you know, have proven to broke the to break the law. And then for those who reach the authority to do so, we'll talk to the secretary of the services or Secretary of Defense. We're gonna recall these Admirals and generals from retirement for court martials, so they'll get the full, you know, proper judicial treatment.

It's gonna be fair. It's gonna be, you know, blind justice. We're gonna do it right. But the point is to introduce that personal risk. So if you're going to make a decision to trample individual constitutional rights, you had better make sure that it is. It is perfectly justified, It is moral. It is ethical because our intention, and this is a long

term time horizon project. Maybe it's gonna take decades, but our intention is to make sure that there is an element of personal risk to those who are making those decisions. Cause historically it has not been the case the the, the people at that level, at the, you know, three and four-star level, they've gotta, you know break some egregious law, you know in some sort of personal behavioral issue for there to be

any accountability. And that's, you know, we're not seeing that in any other aspect of of, you know, legal precedence for these leaders. You've gotten you kind of talk to us a little bit about the ongoing training. I think federal employees get the same thing as DoD when it comes to sexual assault and whistleblower and all this other

kind of stuff. Do they ever talk about sort of like your responsibilities, the the burden of command, like what your liabilities are when you engage in maybe executing an unlawful order? Have you ever had any specialized kind of discussions other than with your buddies? Is there any formal version of that? They they do a lot of training for those who are going to take command. It's it's a lot of training on the responsibilities, on accountability on the

authorities that you have. They do talk a lot. There's a lot of discussions and there's a lot of training on legal as well. But what they're trained to do unfortunately is rely on the Jag, ask Jag, go to your Jag. The Jag is the Judge Advocate General. It's your it's your legal officer. You know, they have a legal license. They've been through law school, but they are officers in the

military. And what we've seen though is that the Jag Corps, and I speak about this in the book, and I, I name the names least on the Navy side, Admiral Crandall, apparently very politicized. And what they did is they, without doing the legal due diligence on what their commanders wanted to do, you know what the administration asked them to do without doing the legal due diligence, They

just marched forward. And they instead of trying to make sure that we were following the law, the Jag corps circled the wagons to protect the commanders. And that's historically what they've done for a long time. They are there to make sure that if the commander wants to do something, they find a loophole for him to do it. They make sure that they find some way to to protect him if it

goes bad. But there's you know you've heard it said before I I have certainly they say hey I want to go to X and he'll turn to the Jag and say make sure this is legal. And the Jag corps, the Jag officer said he what he hears is make this legal And so that's that's the scenario I believe that played out in the last three to four years especially with the COVID mandates. So I guess the big question is why?

Why? Why push something that people had some, you know, heels dug in on and and were willing to lose their job over it And we're willing to, you know, maybe even face a court martial, things like that. And they obviously a lot of people got kicked out of the service over it. Why would they do that? I, I, I try to figure that out, and and I just can't, right? Like, why do we have sin in the world? You know why? Why? I mean, we're never gonna solve all these things.

There is an element of careerism, selfishness in all of this. And you know, I'm still, you know, I've written articles and I've written op eds and I'm trying to bring attention to a lot of the different things here that that seem to provide evidence that not only are we, you know, have we broken the law, but are continuing to dig our heels in and not like, right these wrongs not address this head on. You know that hey, as an institution, military, we made a mistake.

Let's fix this. So I I've tried to bring in some evidence of the recruiting issues and why the betrayal of trust has gotten us to the situation where you know we're 41,000 service members under target for recruiting in in you

know this coming year. So like I'll give you a couple examples, couple numbers at the in, in the height of the pandemic if you you know if you want to call it that, at the height of of of the fear at least we were 7000 and we had 7000 gaps at sea on operational sea duty billets. So for all of our ships you know 250 plus ships in total we should have had 7000 more people operating those ships.

So they're undermanned, understaffed, under equipped and in the years since that has ballooned to over 21,000 gaps at operational sea duty billets. So it's tripled. And when I bring this to our leaders attention, you know, they they ignore it, they don't care. They'll pat themselves on the back. Oh well, you know we've applied this additional amount of money to resources. We've we've pulled these great sailors from these other shore duty billets and we've made them

recruiters. And you know I'm, I'm Privy to some communication at the three and the four-star level where they're congratulating themselves on the changes month to month and not looking at the drastic horrible downturn that we've had that is not improving. And when you say, hey maybe start with the 8500 Conscientious service members that you kicked out, try to offer them back pay.

Try to do something to bring them back in, Rebuild trust that the American people can tell their kids, oh, hey, you know what? You could join the military 'cause they will defend your rights and not just use you for some military industrial complex. You know, war or something, right? They're they're not just gonna risk your life in vain. And so, you know, we have this situation where they're ignoring all of these warning signs and they're digging their heels in.

So is there gonna be, are they gonna, you know, be? I think they're aware. They're certainly aware that there's a problem. But there is no moral courage to do anything about it because I I believe it's all careerism. I believe it's, you know, especially the three and the four-star level. They're looking for board memberships afterwards. They're looking for lucrative deals. And we have a big problem with that in the military. And so, you know, they just

don't wanna tip the applecart. Is it hubris? Is it pride? Or is it a lack of humility that's going on there if we're gonna take this into the moral realm? I I can't speak to what's going on inside the minds and the consciences of anybody else. I mean, I I can only speak for myself in in those regards. I have a lot of hubris, I have a lot of pride and a lot of sin. So I I can only focus on myself there. But there's there's certainly no acknowledgement of what's

happened. There's no acknowledgements, even though we have federal courts who have ruled that the DoD and individual services have broken the law. I mean, they still won't acknowledge it. They still won't publicly say, hey, our bad, let's fix this. They're they're not, you know, I think Congressman Gates in a recent hearing asked the Secretary of Defense. Hey, you know, you kick these people out, are you gonna bring them back? Are you gonna make any effort to

bring them back? And his answers was simple. No, I will not. And so that's, that's the situation we're in. You know, it seems to be from the top down to to dig, dig heels in. And until we're willing to embrace the red, to focus on what was done wrong, to completely hot wash all of this, and then come up with solutions to rebuild trust, we're going to

continue to have these problems. It's interesting that you're you're pointing out what I think of the same problems that we saw at DoD going obviously down to my spice at the FBI. But the Durham report was sort of this outside influence coming in and investigating what happened with Trump and all these other kind of political things we saw that were in the background in the vortex of this and the thing that that Durham said that was so disheartening to me, and I think so obvious.

But it's also what you just said about institution over constitution, which I'm going to steal, by the way, 'cause I love it. The thing that that he said is that there was no law, there's no policy, there's no procedure that would have solved this problem. It was a values issue. And if we don't have federal agents and federal employees that respect the Constitution 1st and know that this is their responsibility, then we're never going to be able to legislate our way out of it.

And I think you've said a lot of the same things, but all these different voices are saying the same thing from different angles, from different viewpoints, from different government agencies and departments, government, a federal government issue. It seems like here's where I'm, I'm very curious and I don't know if you have any visibility to this, but I saw you call out Matthew Lohmeyer the other day and we've had him on the show here.

He talks a lot about cultural Marxism and it's rot that it's done to the military. The one thing we know about Marxism is that it's a a collectivist idea, which is to say the institution over the individual, which is a lot of what you've just said. Do you think there is a Marxist or a cultural Marxist, the sort of collective attitude that is driving some of this in the promotion structure? Is it, does it come from the top down? Does it come from the bottom up? Is it all the time?

Any thoughts that you have on that sort of subject, if you're comfortable, Yeah. I'm not the expert on that. You mentioned that I I called that Matt, just for clarity's sake. It was a call out like, hey, we should do something together. Yeah, this is. This guy's he's he's got it. So Matt's great. We've we've chatted before and his book that's where you know send everybody to that book cause that's that's the book that describes what's going on in the military with Marxism so

irresistible revolution. Check that out. Matt Lomer does, does a great job in describing, you know, from his perspective what he's seen in terms of the Marxist influence in the military. And and I can only echo you know, Matt, that yes, I mean I've seen it too.

Certainly where collective principles are placed over individual rights And you know, at the senior, you know, at the senior ranks it it's gonna be hard to decipher whether they're a Marxist or whether they're, you know, careerists and just want to go along with, you know, whatever the latest narrative or

agenda is from the top. But we certainly have a principles problem in the military And you know, based on, you know, Matt's research and Matt's experience, I would say yes, there there is Marxist influence and so a lot of that as well. And so in other words, you've seen. Some of this, I mean, you're obviously familiar with the story, and I wasn't trying to say you were calling about. I thought it was like a cool

thing. You were saying, hey, we need to get together and teach some of these service academies about the things that we know our problems and who better than people that have experienced them. Do you think that that's permeated the Navy as well as it across the board? It's not just unique to Air Force, Space Force, which is, you know, a little different animal than than some of the other fighting forces.

Yeah, it's. It's. Certainly across the board the same leadership cultural problems we have are you know DoD wide right now and I will say for the institution versus the constitution you mentioned that and and stealing it and please spread it around check out and and maybe have people go check out my latest article I real clear defense it's the institution of the constitution unraveling the COVID-19 mandates for the joint force in that. I wrote that with Vice Admiral Dean Lee.

He's a retired three star Coast Guard Admiral. And you know, we we've had no help from any active duty, Admiral General to help, you know, fight for constitutional rights. And you know, 'cause they circled the wagons around the institution, right. A few of the retired Admirals and generals took, you know, great personal risk. You know, they lost friends over it. But they have come to our aid from a strategic leadership perspective and have joined in

the fight. And I certainly talk about calling out people. I certainly want to mention Vice Admiral Dean Lee. I I hope, you know, if you have me on again, I'll, I'll see if he'll come and join us, 'cause he got a lot of wisdom. He's a great Christian guy and and he understands this fight in in a way that many people don't.

Let's let's pivot a. Little bit to the values thing and and specifically COVID-19 I want to go to prior to the mandates, I want to go to what you saw and what you perceived

personally. So this is obviously not representing anything that's happening on the force wide, but what did you a man, a father, a husband Catholic see in let's say January to June of 2020 as we're hearing the so-called pandemic and it's rolling out and you're in what Rhode Island at the time, is that right, Rhode Island? OK. So you're east. Coast I had a. Similar.

I was in Virginia, so I was outside of DC What were you seeing and what were you perceiving news What were you taking that and and digesting and and what were you saying, you know what was true and what was not in your in your mind. Yeah, I spoke a little bit about. This in the book. At first you don't know what to expect. I mean, there is a lot of fear. There's a lot of, hey, what is this thing? Is it gonna kill 75% of the world's population?

Like we have no idea. It did not take me long. You could you could count the days on, you know, one hand, the number of days where it took me to realize that that, hey, this this isn't going to be what they say it is. You know, this fear mongering is not, does not seem to be accurate. And what made me realize that is for the most part and this is a principles issue, I try to see things in the world from a spiritual warfare perspective.

And and so from that perspective I'm watching who has values that are more similar to mine, you know who, Who puts their spiritual life 1st and who's you know, living some different values, You know whatever those values are hedonistic or or something else, right? Or you know anti God, anti authority anti whatever. I mean I could just be naming all the all the bad things but I'm not going to.

So I'm I'm looking at the differences and for the the people that go on you know may were making media appearances during that early time in the pandemic. It was it was the people who most had my values kind of an eternal outlook. Believed in God, believed in heaven and hell who were offering caution. Who are saying, let's let's wait and see, let's take care of people, let's try to do things right. But you know, we don't need this fear, right?

And for me and my wife, as we were navigating all this, he said, hey, if we're taken, we're taken, but we're going to, you know, put God first. We're not going to live in fear, you know, we believe that, you know, if we die in the state of grace, you know, we're we're going to have eventually get to heaven. So that's that was our perspective. The folks who were most

clamoring for fear. The folks you know, who apparently you know, don't believe in God, don't believe in heaven and hell, and they're grasping desperately for this life because they don't believe in an afterlife. It doesn't appear that way. The same people who clamor for a so-called right to, you know, kill their children in the womb, Those were the people using language. Like if it just saves one life, if it just saves one life.

We need to do all these tons of mitigation measures and the and and the disparate application of saving one life blew my mind and it opened my eyes to how ludicrous this whole thing was for me. Right. And so you know I'm a I'm a pro-life Catholic. And, you know, if it just saves one life, there are, you know, hundreds of thousands of different ways we could apply federal dollars or, you know, not send $100 billion to Ukraine or whatever, that we could develop programs to just save

one life, right? For for the unborn and, by the way, your body. Bodily autonomy be damned on that one the God forbid. It's like the people, the, the, I don't know, the the amusement of the ideas that must run into each other at full speed. It was complete for me in 2020. I don't know if you saw the same thing. It's like, how strong is that cognitive dissonance that you're saying? Yeah, just one life and we must infringe on all your civil liberties as you walk around.

By the way, we we still really want to kill babies all the way up to the point after they're born, 'cause they're really inconvenient. It's it's such a strange, it's such a strange position to try to stake out. There's no intellectual honesty whatsoever. So you were seeing that. What about the death count? Did you see the death count on the on the TV's that were

running? But out of curiosity, what what TV's are on Almost all offices I see these days that are government have a news feed of some kind piped in somewhere. What? What television programs were being watched in the places that you were working? It's. It's mostly. Like MSNBC or CNN, because of the language used nowadays, folks were, you know, even if they were a more conservative person than they preferred Fox News.

And by the way, at this point, I believe it's all, you know, uniparty, you know, backing for globalists agendas, right. I, I, you know, even when you get to what I previously considered, you know kind of far right networks that aren't mainstream, I'm still researching the money behind it because I don't trust it. So you know you gotta go to places like this. You gotta go to your show. Just two guys talking podcasters who have independence, right.

That's right. That's where you gotta go the to try to get you know independent sources and I don't care if if you're left-leaning or right leaning or whatever. I just don't trust the money behind it and none of those people should either go go find individual people. So anyway, yes, the my body, my choice thing was, was crazy because it meant one thing for certain people and another thing

for other people. And then when you got to the death counts, and I'm glad you brought that up, it started with death rates. And this is what blew my mind.

I wrote about this in the book. I think the chapter was Pandemic of Fear might be Chapter 4 in the book but when the death rates the death rates you know they they were a little higher up front and there are some reasons I think that Death Race and this is not the the podcast nor am I the expert to get into it but you know Remdesivir protocols and no no antibacterials for people with post COVID pneumonia like are you kidding me like those kinds of things when it has a chance

that they just threw out all. Normal medical treatment, they were like, don't come in unless you're dying. And when you're dying, then we're gonna intubate you, which is the one way we take away your airway, you know, airway. And we put you on these, these sedatives so we can we relax all your your, your diaphragm, and we're going to take over. Like what? You never do that. You always support respiration. I'm a paramedic, so I did that

for a decade. I can speak a little bit to it, but it's like you always support the, you know, the lowest level of intervention is normal. And they went like, Nope, we're just going to do weird stuff right off the gate. It looked really weird for me. I'm sure you saw the same.

Oh yeah, I mean, we're talking. I mean just to be clear for all your audience, we're talking about institutionally encouraged and then mandated murder and and anyway so the death counts were a little higher up front and as the death count started, you know, going lower, they switched to or sorry the death rates, the death rates were higher initially.

And as the death rates compared to people who you know got the virus and started recovering and you know certain good doctors are trying to do the right thing, those rates started to lower. So the the fear mongers and and the people, you know, I'll, I'll say it again, you know, the globalist agenda. You know, Uniparty paid whatever they they shifted to cumulative death counts. And it is just to make. People like, oh man, you know,

another 100,000 people died. You know, you do have the motorcycle accidents came in and they, the hospitals got money. They had to test for COVID because there's money behind testing for COVID and then there's money behind getting a positive. And of course for a death there's more money for that. So you know, you it, I mean it's it's it's a mess. I'm not the expert on it. There are books out there about it, but.

But that is certainly what we saw early on and what, you know, my wife and I had the decision was, you know, we're we're not gonna do any of this. We're not gonna hide the image of God that we've been given our faces. My wife never wore a mask. My children never wore one. You know, they never saw me wear one. And so, you know, to my shame, I compromised on that element for a for a little while and then eventually, you know, I I'm never gonna do that kind of thing again.

And I did refuse all COVID testing and and that was part of why I ultimately got fired and then exiled. So it was not just refusing the vaccine, but refusing testing and refusing some of those other protocols. So you got banned from my building for a while. That was that was fun. But my wife is the truly courageous person behind all this. You know, she was the one kind of pushing me like, you know, in

into this fight. You know, she was, you know, getting you know, dressed down and standing, you know, standing down grocery store managers and and things like that, you know, in front of all the kids. Like she's the one with true courage. So she actually, she tells this story and and she's been invited to do a podcast with feds for for freedom and she tells a story of when she, you know, turned to me and called me a coward. So I had. To I had to dig in deep.

Yeah, well. There's some interesting sort of commonalities there that you and I share, 'cause I also refused those COVID tests and they told me every 72 hours. And I was like, I'm not outing myself that way. To everybody else, it's none of their business. But also and and I was kicked out of my building. Did you get a wall? Did they put you on a wall at all for that? No, but I had a lot of. Service members who were reaching out.

So there was tons of us trying to protect others and service members were reaching up, reaching out to us with that exact issue. That's what they they did to my. Fennel service and you're going like, I'm not AWOL. I showed up. You told me to go home, 'cause they wouldn't let me in the building. Like what are you a holes doing that's not real standing standing in the heat of the. Day, you know, out there outside the building, you know, 'cause they can't go in.

And this this poor young lady, she's a, she was a dentist and and she wouldn't do the test. And so they, you know, they eventually started trying to call her AWOL. Then they started talking about sending her to behavioral health because she must be crazy for not. Yeah, like that kind of stuff. So she actually reached out to me and I wrote about this in the book.

She reached out to me and said, I'm very concerned that they're going to force me into behavioral health and then force medicate me with with with stuff and and so yeah, there was some of that going on in the military and you saw some of that, you know, in in the video with Lance Castle like that. They were what did they hit him? Do you know what they hit? Things. Do you know what they injected him with? Was that a sedative? No. So. I don't think he got forcibly injected with anything.

Now he and I haven't had a chance to talk. I saw it in the video. They. They. Injected him with something. It's in the video that we've shared. You can well, so here's the thing. I got an eye for this sort of thing. It's like that's my sedating a patient is something you do when they're combative sometimes, and so hitting him with a benzo or something like that to drop them down a level, people do that for excited delirium. There's all these different

protocols, but I watched them. They the the dogpile happened on arms and legs, which is where you go first. Then they controlled his torso and somebody injected him with something, but we don't know what. So I don't know, maybe I can talk to him. I also wonder if I ran across him at some point in time in my Air Force career, 'cause he looks really familiar. He's got that kind of face that looks familiar.

But it would not surprise me that I, because of the way that I feel like God has been moving in a lot of this, that I've just run across people that have no business having any common connection to. I want to ask the the difficult question, How did your church respond? How was your faith community responding to this in the Northeast 'cause I saw a lot of them do the opposite of courage and I'm curious if yours was the same. Yeah, that. That is the first time I've been

asked that question. It is, it is the toughest one. We were at a fraternity parish in the Diocese of Richmond, which is how I first heard of your of of your work and heard your name, which thank you by the way, for your courage. And so we that's where we were before the pandemic in 2019. I got moved up to Rhode Island and you know I was not at the fraternity parish in Richmond. Sorry, in in in where where we were in in the Virginia Beach area.

But I've heard it could have been done better. And what I what I will say though is I thank God for the for the sake of my faith personally. He had us move to where we were, 'cause we had a diocesan priest who offered the traditional Latin Mass. Very courageous guy. You can go find him. He's, he's at Ipadre, I think on on Twitter. Great, fantastic. He he is a spiritual father, a wonderful man. Very courageous.

The the kind of person who would offer secret masses, the kind of person who never enforced anything that that that violated people's consciences. And we were there in in that environment with that kind of leader and that helped get my, you know, me and my family through the pandemic without, without feelings of betrayal. And we're talking people who believe like us, we believe in eternal life, right? And so if we're so desperately grasping for this life, we have

something missing. And and you know, if you're if you're willing to go along, especially with lies, when you, when you realize that hey, the mask was a lie, there's no way it could ever work. You've been?

Through C Bernie training, I'm sure of it, Everybody gets a little taste of it. We yeah, we all know what a mop, what a mop Level 4 looks like, and even that's not guaranteed to save you and it's duct taping yourself to all the different barriers and you're going to put over a piece of bandana. I always tell people because it's just so easy. But it's like you ever been in an elevator and smelled a fart like that, Went through somebody's underwear and their

jeans, and then into your face. You think a bandana's gonna do something to a virus? Like, come on, what are we doing here? It's so silly and sad. So you. The molecule size is very. Different. Oh, of course it's so. It's so simple. I mean, just a basic understanding of size. I told somebody that I was also gonna erect a a chain link fence in my backyard to keep the mosquitoes out, 'cause that's that's the same mentality when it comes to actual sizing. But your your church actually

stood together. See? How many, how many people do you think experienced a priest that said our forefathers in faith would have died over this. They offered Masses in the catacombs around the stinking corpses in order to continue to celebrate when it was when it was outlawed. And then other people just like my church, they just shut it down. Oh, nobody in the cry room. It's dangerous. And you're like I got crying little kid.

I got these little people. They're they're not going to be able to do this and they're certainly not going to wear a mask you know and and they shut it down I will say for. For a lot of those churches, the fear is was not of the virus like 'cause. 'Cause they? 'Cause you know, especially for these, you know, traditionally leaning, you know, Orthodox, believing, you know, Catholic or Catholic Catholic churches, the fear wasn't of the virus.

The fear was of getting shut down by the Bishop, right? Or by the OR by the. Local health authorities or. Whatever was gonna come in some government intervention, right? Which is still Fear of man. Yes, so my. Issue with it all is it is a fear based decision and we're called to act encouraged and so you know there's prudence there

too. So I I, I have tried much more recently to not judge as best as possible the the prudential decisions of others who actually have authority over the church. I don't have, I only have authority, you know, in my own family and over my own body. And so, you know, I I don't, I don't want to second guess other people's decisions about prudence. I I will just say that had I been there at the time and at my level of spiritual maturity, it might have been very dangerous to my fate.

And so God had had moved me somewhere else and I and I got a somebody who had much more of our style of, you know, fighting back. I guess so, yeah. But but God works those ways. He knows people's strengths and weaknesses and you know, everybody has has what they need. So yeah, it's it's quite. Interesting to me, our faith journey was that my wife was coming into the Catholic Church at that point in time and had been raised without religion, and so we saw them shut this

down. We went to New Mexico. New Mexico was actually more open than than Virginia. That doesn't make any sense cause New Mexico's very left-leaning and very blue and you just kind of like, wait, what? But all of that ended up kind of driving us hard into it. It's like, OK, well we're only going to accept sort of intensity now. It's got to be full bore. And then of course every once in a while God will put you to a decision for all your chips,

which you've been in that fight. Let's talk about setting that red line. I always say prepare repair, you probably heard me say it in the ad reads. But I think that that affects both our spiritual life, our financial life, our physical life, our our our fitness. But but being able to do it with your faith and being able to do it with your values because if you don't know what the what your stance is on a challenge and you get challenged, often

times you will falter. That's the reason why we do basic trainings. That's why we do stress inoculations for for military training. You want to talk about some of that mentality and and maybe how many people lost ground during that time because they hadn't had that chance. Most of us didn't know it was coming. I think that's fair. Yeah. So. I. Like to talk about it as a fifth generation war. It's a spiritual war.

It's a fifth generation war. Those are not exactly the same things, but there's significant overlap. And so if you are in a fifth generation war, you know, it's it's a war for hearts and minds, a spiritual war, very similar. It's a war for your for your heart, mind your soul. If you are encouraged to go along with a lie and then you compromise on that lie, you are ceding ground in the 5th generation warfare. You're ceding ground in in your own spiritual war. Right.

You're you're gonna, you're gonna compromise on something that you know to be true. And the mask is a good example. And so and I'll, I'll tell a couple stories like there was a a a a recruit for the Navy who I got to talk to, you know, nine months after this actually went down, he had joined the delay entry program for the Navy. He, the mandate came out.

So before, you know, before it was during pandemic but before mandate, mandate comes out, he calls his detailers and say, hey, you know, I can't take this thing. I'm not gonna do it. Can I go ahead and put a religious accommodation in now before I show up, you know, and of course, like recruiters, they do anything they can to make sure they get the body, keep doing it, you know, hitting their quotas like, oh, you'll be good. You'll be fine. You know, government needs you.

You know, just you can take care of it when you get here. So he shows up and he and a group of folks who don't want to do it after the mandate are in their, you know basic training at boot camp and they're they're isolated. They, you know they do their their quarantine thing. They're there's tape on the ground like 8 foot squares.

They've got to stay in. They're given one hour of outside daylight in the course of two weeks And then they're repeatedly I mean this is like straight from Russian gulag or or some crazy they they bring them repeatedly in front of the medical professionals and their leadership and they're harassed. They're told you're the ones killing grandma. They they verbally abuse them. It's psychological abuse.

And almost everybody in his boot camp class eventually caved and eventually went along with this and like this is too much, you know and and they they took the shot or or they they left. He said no I'm going to serve. I'm going to stay in. So he fought. He kept asking for to see a chaplain, not even knowing that the chaplain visit in the in the Navy is the very first thing you do to start your religious

accommodation process. They wouldn't even let him start the request for an for a religious accommodation. And they kept, you know, verbally abusing him. So he served, his name's Owen. He served 39 days honorably, the United States Navy before they ultimately kicked him out. And I tell people what he did in standing up for his conscience. He won his Fifth Generation Warfare battle. We're all gonna face him. Owen won his and and he left.

That left boot camp honorably. And he served honorably for 39 days. And I'll tell you, he served much more honorably than a significant number of our Admirals and generals who have served almost that number in years because they have compromised, you know, for a career and Owen did not. And so that's, that's the level of decision, that's the level of fight we're going to have to take to win back our constitutional rights.

From my own story, my wife and I made the decision, you know, when they were threatening court martials and we were starting to see people kicked out and getting on their DD2 fourteens at your exit, you know, paperwork from the military Commission of a serious offense. And we typically reserve that for assaults and you know, armed robberies and things like that. It's very serious offences and and you put the threat of court martial together with that, it it can come with jail time.

And so we made the decision that, you know, when they were threatening court martials, that I'm gonna go to jail before I go and violate my conscience and go get this biological agent injected into my body. And so we even built a plan, like I, you know, called my parents. Hey, we're gonna, you know, we'll send my wife and my kids, they're gonna come down, live with you. I'll serve my time in prison and then I'll get out and, you know, swing hammers and dig ditches or whatever.

Like, that's the level of decision that we made together as a couple. And it wasn't a hard one. It was a 5 minute conversation. Like, OK, how far are we willing to go for what we believe in? You know, you mentioned the martyrs earlier and you, you mentioned, you know, mass and the catacombs. If we don't get back to that level of uncompromising. Faith and met with action, then you know the country's gonna fail. But more importantly, the individual and their fight for

their eternal soul. That is what's most at risk, and that's what everybody should be most concerned about. You've mentioned it. Twice now. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna hone in on it. The critical importance of a united household, of a spouse that's willing to push as hard or harder than you will. I had the same experience with my wife. I came to her at one point. I was like I might did I miss the thread, 'cause you always got to ask yourself unless

you're a sociopath, right? Am I just completely missing what's going on here? If I'm. I'm the odd man out. Is it me? Am I the problem or is really it. Am I really the one guy standing against the many saying that everybody else is yes you are all wrong. And and I came to my wife and I said, should I just get the shot? Is that the right answer? Do we just get it and just suck it up and and then retired and she was like absolutely not. Like under no circumstances

you'll figure it out. Like you said swing a hammer dig ditches. I actually preferred that to a lot of the work that I've done in my life. I find that very meaningful to use my hands. So that was kind of a it's like OK. But the critical piece was is you got to have that brain trust that backstop of a spouse or close friends or whatever it is in people's lives. Will you talk about maybe what set your marriage up for this sort of test? Cause for a lot of people to test for you?

A 5 minute conversation that was about the same with mine. It's like, no. And it's like oh OK good. We're on the same page then. Good. How do you, how did you set your marriage up for that success? Obviously you didn't know what was coming for you, but it was. We were aligned spiritually from early on. Now you know in our marriage I'm I'm probably the weaker 1,

frankly. She's she is deep strength and maybe a lot more aggression too when when she has a feeling about what's right and wrong you know she she will go on offense. So a lot of a lot of what I am have done in projecting is it's really from it's really from her. So I think the set up is that you you got to be aligned spiritually with your with your goals and for your family and

spiritual life. But if you're not, if you're not communicating and you're not aligned on on the the important things, then it's gonna be much harder. Not impossible. I do know one Air Force 06 who made it through he was part of our kind of inner circle fighting back at the strategic level in the military. And there I mean there's a group of us you'll see a lot of those names on you know signatures on the declaration of military

accountability. But in the case of this one Air Force officer, his wife was completely opposed to his stance. And to see this the the the drain on him trying to lead, trying to make a decision for himself and then not having the support at home, it can be devastating. You know their marriage has survived that, so it's not impossible, but that's A2 front war. That's a lot harder. I could. I can't.

Imagine I've told, I've told him before like I I just can't imagine having fought that without, you know, my wife sitting there using me as the body, you know, the body shield to to push me into the fight. I'm I'm just kidding. That's our job though, that. I mean that. Is our role. So I've talked to Mark out you may you know probably know who he is and I have met him. Yeah, I handed. Him a copy of the book and I'm so honored to meet him. He's he's a really good guy.

And one of the things he talks about is sort of the role of men, which I think has been lost with the sort of weak culture that we have 'cause we keep pushing weakness. But he says men's job are leader, protector and provider. And I think that breaks down something. I mean, we all have different words for the same sort of thing. But yeah, your job, if you're going to be the protector, that means you are the human shield. And your wife is supposed to push you out there and be like,

hey, go solve this problem. The world is coming for us. Get to the front of The Cave. It is your job to make sure that the ones behind you, they don't see what happens out there. That's that's where men are supposed to go into the fight. That's why we signed up for the military, I think. Yeah, I love that analogy. That's that is great. I I might have to steal that. Take it. It's yours. I'll so. I'll tell you this is real simple.

When I was deciding to enlist at 27 is later than most you commissioned it probably what, 22 years old? Something like that, Yeah. Right around there. So I. Got five more years of being. Dumb, retarded. As my chat likes me to say, 'cause I grew up in the 80s and and you know, you just say these kind of things, It's like, yeah, I was foolish. And I started reflecting on my life. It's like, what would my role be in society 10,000 years ago?

Where would I be? And my job would be hunting Buffalo and laying out in the grass for three days to be able to bring down food or standing out there in front of an, you know, an enemy tribe and making sure they don't come from my people in the village. So when I put myself in sort of a very simple world, that was my thought. And it's the same role when you become a father because now you got a little tribe, you got a big tribe. Actually, you got a pretty good sized tribe back there.

It's. It's your. Job to be at. The mouth of The Cave to make sure that the little ones behind you and and show your sons what it looks like. And soon they stand shoulder to shoulder and now you got even a bigger front, right? But if we're not doing that, are we even doing our job as men?

And so I I love that Mark Halke always puts that out there, 'cause if that's how you go after the DoD, that's how you go after the DOJ and stand in the way and say no, you know you're you're Gandalf on the, on the, on the bridge, you know, hitting the staff. You shall not pass. This is where I stand. I may go down into the gap, too. That's the other piece. A lot of us, you know, get are going to get dragged for a while. But I appreciate that it talks about this.

So we we have this little badge. You've probably seen this. We're going to get you one of them. If it's all right with you, I'll send it to you. You can wear it or not, but you can have it for sure. It's, it's a sign of white martyrdom. Is is really what we're talking about here. And you want to kind of discuss the concept of the white martyrs and the red martyrs. Are you familiar with that?

Sort of that framing of the world, 'cause I think a lot of people, every time I say it, they go like, man, I never heard it. It's like, well, a lot of people know, let's talk about white martyrdom. Yeah, so. You certainly can speak to it better than I can, but it's a, you know, St. Maximil and Colby kind of thing, right? You, you, the white martyrdom where you're not gonna necessarily be killed. You know you're not shedding your blood for your faith, but you're gonna endure significant

harassment, struggle. People are are going to come for you, make this hard. You know, you've mentioned Mark Hauck. He talks about, you know, he realized in the course of, you know, him getting shackled and and dragged around and humiliated, you know, for protecting his son because he was of the wrong persuasion on a on a political issue because he stood for life that it was the

the process was the punishment. That's that's what he described in in the talk I heard with him when when when I had the honor of meeting him. You know that that's the white martyrdom. Now, are are we also going to like St. Maximi and Kolbly get the get the red, the crown of red martyrdom? I don't know. Now that's that's left to be seen. But if we don't take that stand you're talking about I I love the analogy.

If we don't get to the front of The Cave, the enemy's gonna get in The Cave and the chances are much greater. So we've got to take that stand. We've got to endure whatever the white martyrdom is for now and be willing to make it red if if we're going to have any chance of of keeping this country, what it was passed down to us, as I want to be respectful of your. Time and give you time because I know you got another meeting

coming up here. Let's talk about just the last thing, the cost, because there is a cost professionally, personally, you know, there's a spiritual cost, 'cause it's just a heavyweight to carry. But can you talk about some of those things a little bit? And then we'll we'll plug the the book and we'll show people where they can get all that kind of stuff. But it's the cost is not nothing. It's not nothing. But it's insignificant in terms of of eternal rewards.

I mean, you've probably heard of Pascal's Wager, right? You, you, you make a a temporal wager of of some of your time in order to potentially get an eternal reward. Any cost we pay in that environment is is minuscule. But I will say for me personally, I mean I I had a command opportunity taken for me. I had a year long in residence or college opportunity. I was going to get another master's degree. I was already slated for it. That got taken my exile of seven

months. You know I told only to call in. That was my only duty. I did that for three weeks. I stopped taking the call. You know, it could be it's pretty isolating. It's meant to be some form of psychological warfare. But all of that is minimal compared to what other people went through.

There were there were court. There was at least one court martial just learned about another one with the senior recruit Castle or sorry senior airman Castle people went through devastating things and one Navy SEAL stood up for his own rights and he he refused to take the shot. He got isolated with with other seals they were given menial labor doing yard work stuff like that. They weren't allowed they had their badge access to their

their unit building taken away. They had to get escorted when they were told to come in to do, you know urinalysis drug test like like a foreign like a foreign, you know, visitor or something like it's it's insane that one of those Navy Seals, his first name is Danny, he he was found as a suicide, you know early in September after the mandate.

And you know, I was told by one of his his teammates, one of the other Navy Seals shortly after that, that the very last thing that Danny did and for the last service he performed for his country was yard work outside the building. He was no longer allowed to enter like. So the cost is significant and our leaders need to start by acknowledging it and studying this and making sure that they put in place things that that ensure this never happens again.

So for everything that you know, you, your your listeners, your your viewers have endured in this fight or whether they went along with this like this is the opportunity for us to join and stand up for individual rights. Because if we don't, we're gonna lose it. So the the cost is is tiny, but the reward here is potentially infinite. Very well said. And I wanted to pivot that to your military accountability. This is the document folks. Do you want to kind of talk people through that, Rob?

Just kind of let them know what the structure was, why you guys did it Folks, you can go to the website, it's actually in the show now. It's very easy to find, but I want you to get a visual of it. It's not a graphic website. It is a, it is a text based message first type website. It's almost all text and it's, it's dense. It looks like, you know, kind of like some famous documents people may have seen in history. Yeah, sorry guys.

You're going to have to. Do a little reading if you if you really want to get into it. But so the book had come out July 4th, 2023. And I thought for sure, like every time I've written something, I started writing in October of 2021 written Mutiny complaints against Admirals and and you know, filing, you know, anything I could do like, you know, firing off emails and I mean just I've, I've fought with the pen as best I could and so kept escalating and ultimately

it ended up being in the book and I realized that they're ignoring the book. They're gonna continue to ignore us. They sidelined us, 'cause they don't wanna deal with the underlying issues. They wanna they don't wanna have a discussion on the merits. So I realized that they were gonna, even though I called out names in the book as an act of duty 05, calling out my Admirals like it's it's crazy they would ignore this. So I ultimately said hey we gotta go on the offensive.

And so this is me. I spent a couple of weeks like right in the first draft of that kind of honing it. I want to make sure that we talked earlier about it, you know, injecting some personal risk trying to ensure we have accountability. And then ultimately you know we we got some other folks kind of our strategic thinkers together.

They helped hone the words. We got it down to one page and then went public with it. Brad Miller, he, he was the one who, you know, we we said, hey, it's probably best coming from him, 'cause he's not active duty and we sent it to the the active members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. So probably not best coming from me, but so Brad, Brad sent that off and you know he got 4 something million views shortly after. So it resonated with folks. So go check it out, the Declaration of Military

accountability. And it's it's us going on offensive as best we can because you know, going to the American people because they're ignoring us, they don't want to hear what we have to say. I like hearing your little one in the. Background that's simulating a raid on your house by the Sergeants at Arms. No, that's. This is what my house sounds like all the time too, and and there's something kind of comforting about knowing that there's little people running

around. That's what this is about, I assume, right? It's about the next generation, 'cause I think ours is probably not going to be able to save it in entirety. But maybe throwing ourself into the breach is what lets your little ones who are out there, you know, banging on the door trying to get in and see what Dad's up to. Maybe they get a little better slice, because it doesn't seem like we've kind of lost some of the major principles in this country over the last 20 or 30

years we we have. It's we've gone from being, you know, centered on on principles to centered on selfishness, and then, you know, now ultimately flat out untruths. And we're expected to, you know, vocally support people's, you know, fantasies of things that aren't true. And so, yeah, we've got to get back to the true principles if we're going to have any hope. And it'll like we said earlier in the show, it took us a long time to get here.

It's been a long, slow drag. It's accelerated certainly in the last, you know, 5-10 years. So but it it, it won't be a massive swing back really quick, I don't think, I think it's going to take us a long time. It'll be our kids, you know, and our grandkids, I think, are going to have to re establish our country with proper principles. Your Twitter says Rob Green 1010. What's the 1010? Is that a thing?

Yeah, my 10/10 was my. Favorite number Playing baseball in high school, but ten was taken. Rob Green, 10, was taken. And so Brad Miller has Brad Miller 1010. He does that because it's birthday. But I was like, I'm going to emulate him because I look up to him and he's a great guy. So that's why Rob Green 1010, I love it. All right, I'm going to throw it on the screen, right? Here folks, this. So you're looking at the right one. It's got a picture of the book

in the the icon. If you're watching us on Rumble or if you're seeing us over on Twitter, you guys can follow Rob at Rob Green 1010 and that is the bio pace you'll see there. I love the the where, where's that image of the cross? What is it? What is that, a Chapel somewhere? Yeah, that's the portrait Cola. In Franciscan University right there. So it's really neat. A lot of time praying there.

I I went to a. Cistercian school when I was in 5th and 6th grade, and they had this incredible stone Chapel that they had somehow built out of like this enormous pieces of limestone. And then they did glass block and then a cedar roof. And it looked like the roof was levitating above you as you sat in there. But it was so simple. It was just a rectangle, you know? And they would do Gregorian

chant there. And that kind of gives me that vibe, that kind of like a place of of actual sacred, which a a lot of these churches now, they look more like they were built in the 70s. They don't have that spirit to them. Yeah. Well, well, that, that one. 'S modeled after the one that Saint Francis built by hand. And so it's it's meant to be a replica of that. So it's very small. It's it's, you know, the stones, you know, look like they're dragged over and and constructed.

So I will say, if you go find me on social media, be patient with me. I'm brand new to it. I swore I would never get on social media, but I've been encouraged to and and so we'll learn together. I guess there are all those who follow me it it is a necessary. Sacrifice. I go on there all the time now and I spend a lot of time doing it. But I I had a, a supervisor. He was like, he used to make fun of people on social media. I was like, yeah, I still do.

I still make fun of it. It's a cesspool. So I told people in the show notes that they want to follow you on the cesspool of Twitter. They can do so. And I put the link in there. I think you'll probably appreciate that. There's nothing good about it. Rob, thanks so much for for joining me today and sharing your your sort of experience. But also I want to encourage people to go and follow that book and and I want to wish you

really good luck. Because man, if if somebody's not standing up there in all these different forums, this is, this is the fight. It turns out for our generation. Who knew after 20 years of war, this is actually the fight at the home front, huh? Yeah, it's a domestic enemy. We've got to combat, and I just want to thank you, thank you for using this platform to to fight for individual liberty, to fight for those principles and values. I mean, this is fantastic.

I'm so honored to to have an opportunity to talk with you. Honor's all mine. I enjoyed. It we'll we'll talk offline and we'll get you one of these pins if you want it. Then if nothing else, you can give it to your wife and she can wear it around 'cause it sounds like she she also earned one. Thanks for joining me today, buddy, and good luck on the rest of your day. Thanks. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that is it. That is the show for today.

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It's my name. It's very easy to do. Y'all. Let's do this real quick too. Last thing, there's a couple of cool pictures of Commander Rob Green. We'll do it while he's off the screen. So he is not liable for anything. These are public domain photos, but there he is, swearing in and carrying one of his kiddos with a Catholic priest. The man who's living by it. I'm also encourage you guys to check out today's Loop because

it does have that. This is the article that I wrote and you'll find out that the first sentence talks about betrayal, which we just discussed. Me and Rob organically coming to the same problem, Betrayal within these agencies. Totally worth your time to check those things out. All the links in the description folks. We will see you again tomorrow for a friendly Friday. Thanks for joining us for this long form conversation. I really enjoy doing these and

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