Prepare to hear the truth from a real whistleblower, an American Patriot, here's civil liberties, enthusiasts, Second Amendment, Defender and indefinitely suspended. FBI agent. Kyle seraphin. Hello my friends and welcome to the Kyle serif and show today is Friday it's the 17th. It's been a big news day over here at the Kyle 7 show and we are going to be joined by my buddy. Stephen friend. Steve. Welcome to the show for this Friday afternoon. Thank you very much.
It's good to be out of District 1 for sure. You spent some of the time today in the, in the swamp dealing with sort of the Slime that exist there and sounds like you picked up some of that swamps come in your nose too buddy. I did man. That that flight to d.c. is is just as germs of swirled around every time. Yeah. Plus it just you know it lands in like scum pocket and it takes off.
It's kind of Amazing Phil and I spend a lot of time in DC and if you're not used to it then your immune system can't handle it. You're used to Too Much freedom and fresh air down there in Florida. Yeah, yeah. The freedom is definitely the main key theater. I think, I think the best view that I had of DC was on my way out, as I told John Sullivan history day, that is the best view of DC. You're leaving it like rearview or underneath you on the wing of a plane. Yeah, yes. All right.
So we've got some fun access to you. We're going to talk about things that are I think going to be interesting to folks because you went to d.c. to be deposed by the new weaponization committee subcommittee under the house. Judiciary. Is that correct? Yes. Yes, it was called a transcribed interview, but essentially, it's a deposition. Ian. Okay. Have you done a deposition before or just regular Court testimony? No.
Just regular court. So I was, I was ready for the full thing was waiting for them to start arguing front of a judge, but the lawyers managed to do all that same thing without an a referee, no referee needed. So what are the format look like? Explain to people kind of what the what the room looked like, maybe you know how you guys were arranged and then, you know, is it a is an adversarial or a contentious or is it you know, Collegian or what? Yeah, it was definitely.
Experience. I was not expecting it to be exactly like that. It was a pretty large room. I thought it was gonna be more like a regular conference room but they had a big table sat next to my two lawyers on one side and then the Republican staffers and a couple of congressmen actually would ask me questions for an hour and and then after an hour we take a five-minute break and then the Democrats would take those seats. Directly in front of me, they keep swapping seats.
And and then they would ask why? Russians it was very important. They need to be directly in front of me to establish that right eye contact. And so we just had to share. They need to share a cushion that had the same beer farts as the people before them, I guess. Exactly. I was like, man, I would not, I don't like sitting down on a, you know, public toilet, just for that reason. I kind of like, to have my personal spot, but apparently,
you know, if you're in, d.c. already caught the virus, so you doesn't really matter where you sit, and, and they said they rotated. So one hour on Republicans won our Democrats. They did that twice. So both sides, got two full hours with me and then they both had about 10 more minutes at the end. So the total time on Under Fire, was probably like two and a half or four, and a half hours. So Steve. All right, so we got this big room.
We got people, swapping seats, let's get into the substance of the matter. What kind of questions were you expecting? And then what sort of questions did you actually receive? And maybe from, Both sides to well, the Republicans were therefore actual for the committee's purpose. The Whites Whites actually
existing. So they were asking me about the nature of my complaint that I brought forward and to go into the details of it. And then they actually got into what happened in my wife's face book account that they had seen. They asked about the bureau's treatment of whistleblowers and how they said, no to getting a new job and all that. So they were trying to portray me very favorably. And then also, Get do me a favor, expand the thing about
the no job. That's so people can know because you had a kind of a moment that happened with that too. Right? Yeah. Well, I had to so, yeah, you get walked out. They give you the FD 331 to seek outside employment. I got offered a position at at Center for renewing America. I contacted the bureau filled out the paperwork and on that paperwork. It says, if you're going to work for a 501 c 3, you have to coordinate with the office of integrity and It's attorneys.
Okay, call that guy up. He told him the name of the organization and he he must have pulled it up on his computer because he was like, I think you're going to have problems because the first thing that comes up on this website is to fund the FBI. Listen, it's a reasonable position and it's a First Amendment position that we can advocate for even as FBI employees, right? Yeah. Well, you would think but I did
they. I think that I do and submitted it and I told them look, I need a decision forthwith. Because I want to start with them as soon as possible. Obviously, I'm on paid for extended period of time, right? And they took it and in one business day, came back and said rejected, well you got to give him credit for doing. That's the fastest decision, the government's ever made.
Oh yeah, yeah. And then I was also told that it was going to be a decision by, oh, I see and then Human Resources Division. But the actual form when it was given to my ASAC, she they said executive management said now. So my ASAC apparently The put the kibosh on it before it even
got to hrd. I used to always get the executive management says this thing from from my supervisor and it was always a lie, it was always her, just individual opinion but we're falling off that actually front office. Says yeah, the front office is Unified. Really these easy office talking to me right now? Why don't we just say, Bob's name? That's right. Yeah, so many euphemisms for just incompetence right on every level. All right, so they denied you the job that didn't work well
for you clearly. We're going to take that and I'm glad you didn't. So you accepted the job and then what was the advice that you had going in there based on accepting this job? Like what were your attorneys advising? Well we decided that strategically. It would make more sense for me to resign as an FBI agent before I went in and get that on the record when they do your initial, who are you? How do you spell your name? Who do you work for?
So I could just kind of nonchalantly, say I'm a fellow for Center for renewing America and then Have them be. What do you mean? And I can't explain how I was mr. Witter. What are you the fellow of? I believe I'm a senior fellow so I believe your senior fellow to what are you the senior do they add you? What? Senior Fellowship you have? Yes, I'm advising on. Domestic intelligence and security. That's fantastic. It's good to know a fellow.
I'm not going to add senior to it because I'm senior to you in age and so Fail by the way. So we're going to just call you a fellow but I think you're a jolly good fellow at that and I'm very glad that that is the title you get to put on not just a fellow but also an author. World-famous author. World-famous IQ him. You have orders coming in from like, Saudi Arabia right now or what? We'll definitely from Sputnik. Oh, that's true. Which was brought up mind you in.
Okay. So carry on, keep telling me more about this. So they're asking you questions. The Republicans are trying to get your story out. Yes. And and in theory, this could be a very easily bipartisan issue. I think, right? Yes. I and even if you do not think my complaint is legitimate. And you think that I'm either crazy E person or politically partisan person.
The best thing you could do would be to just disprove the veracity of my complaint and then dismiss it whole cloth which is what the FBI should be doing if they're actually doing a real investigation but like the FBI it appears the the Democrat side of this committee is just going to invest all of its energy and resources into discrediting. Me not the actual nature of my delegation.
So there's a, there's Concept in and when you're doing debate and there's a concept when you are doing a logical discussion or argument with someone that the minute that it devolves into a dominance which is to say attacking the man as opposed to tacking the message when there's an ad hominem and that becomes the sole line of attack that means you've already won. Do you feel like you already won going in there? And seeing that? They all they wanted to do is
discredit you? Yes, yes, I well and I was utterly unimpressed by the legal. Oil Eagles that were sitting across the table from me. I deep down. I was kind of like well these guys represent Congressman, but I mean I've been disappointed by doctors in the last few years and FBI agent. So I don't know why lawyers would be any different. That's right, tell me more about who you were facing down and with their Steely eyes in there and their ad hominem attacks.
It was primarily one, but they were lawyers who worked for Jerry Nadler and he's an impressive human being, right? He has that Little of authority. That really makes me scared when I see him. He's the closest human representation to to the Penguin from Batman Returns. Yes, that the Danny DeVito, Danny DeVito. Yeah, it's like The Flipper hands and I don't know if I've ever seen now. Those hands.
I don't mean to be an ad hominem attack her but it's really, really hard to focus on what he's saying when you look at the fact that the man has to like have somebody put him into a highchair to be able to speak like he's so small, I didn't
realize. That either. But I saw him on the street with flaccus and he like sort of like waddled into a car and it was like what a weird country we live in where this utterly unimpressive, human being who has no sentient thoughts that matter on any level other than kind of just blathering partisanship and and then he sent his utterly unimpressive ad hominem attackers to come after you legal, hinge, men and women as it were men or women, which
one, it was all females that did the questioning interesting. Well, that's diversity for you. So what other fun questions can you recall? That would be interesting to. I'm not saying other whistleblowers May listen to this, but if they did, we couldn't stop them because this is America. And if they so chose to prepare themselves, what might they prepare for? I think they they must listen to the Kyle Serafin.
Show. Well I know they do because they brought you up in the deposition say more about this. This is my new favorite topic continue. So you know you are a part of the Congressional Record sir. Sir. Oh, that's so good. They are, they asked me how many appearances that I make and how much compensation that I receive have you ever been compensated by the Kyle Surf? And show our budget is pretty tight in your Pearls of Wisdom and and tales about your training agent or just the payment I need.
That's so good. How many appearances have you made on our show? Do you know? I asked him ate it. I think is probably somewhere like, eight to ten. Maybe, I don't know. It's producer. Phil could probably pull that up. He could. But I See, that's a safe estimate eight or ten, seems, right? People love hearing what you have to say. I love talking to you because
you're my body. I was talking about you, the other day to somebody and I said, Steve and I have actually never met in person, but I that's really hard for me to wrap my head around because I feel like we hang out all the time. Yes, yes. I mean you're my work wife at this point, right? Correct. That's wonderful. That's very embarrassing and on every level that's strange. All right, so what other they brought up the cows are 5000. They wanted to know if your Compensated.
That was kind of a theme. They want to know that you were profiting off your whistle blowing, correct? Yes, yes. And they they were trying to hammer me much like the security division did on your permission to speak to the media, which seemed to be news to them. Again that I had gained permission and then yes. How much were you compensated by Kyle Surf? And how much were you compensated by Glenn Beck? And how much as you think about those t-shirts that we sell?
Yes, that was brought up, Sir this day is anyone over those? Shirts are one, is the FBI holding those t-shirts? And to is anybody making money on this? Like, do we even know where the money goes? My mom got hers. My mom got hers yesterday. Oh good. Yes. Yes. It, which is also part of the Congressional Record. They asked me about my knowledge, about the t-shirts and I said, I know my mom got one. Did you tell them?
You helped design it? Yes, I told them that, you know, between all of us, we have started a venture capital, t shirt production business. That apparently takes four weeks to deliver one shirt. Yeah. And its profit margin. Is the low 54. Sorry, the low three figures. Right now I think Phil what did you tell me? We made like a hundred and thirty eight dollars off this and it's just sitting in an account somewhere that nobody knows about.
Yeah. Yeah. It's just sitting out there in cyberspace, you know, not collecting interest and not really growing much because people are afraid to order shirts that take we invest in egg Futures with that. Yeah, we're going to buy some egg future. So it's an excellent point. This Administration has made them the strangest Things become Commodities. Probably also a vintage It's about science would be really useful like biology textbooks
from 10 years ago. Probably a vastly growing Market that The Homeschool crowd is going to want to access to. So they don't have this weird biology lesson about whether or not you need a penis to be a male newsflash, unless it got cut off in a weird way, you do. So your buddy, your buddy, Dan bungee? No might be a little upset with the Democrat attorneys. They didn't know his name and they were not familiar with. Bungee knows name it.
There were like dude, Ann Bain. Band Fun, they couldn't say it and I mean, I think about full. Yeah. That's that's the goat right there. I like to imagine that Dan is Italian. But I actually realized I've never asked him, like, what, his, what his ethnic Heritage is, it has kind of a Italian e sound to it. And he has kind of that, that, that all of his skin. I'll tell you a funny story has
nothing to do with any of those. But my wife and I went to Cancun for one of my friends weddings, which was obnoxious because we actually sold our car and then went and used all the money from the car sale. Go on this stupid wedding, he's a wonderful human being. He's like one of my best friends but still I was like a little frustrated. They cost me and it was a cheap car. That's why I was like two grand together many years ago. So we go to his wedding. We're walking around.
My wife is Italian and just gets this deep deep all of tan. She doesn't really burn, which is I'm kind of jealous of that in a weird way. And she would always tell me how she had darker skin at me. But now she's a mom. So she's always indoors like dealing with babies and she didn't have time so she doesn't get this default and also its there's snow On the ground outside of my little trailer
here. So these people come up and they go oh you're such a lovely tan or whatever and my wife who was let's say it like two or three Margaritas into the day because it was all you all inclusive resort in Cancun. She walks past me and she tells me and she cuz they don't know that. I'm not all white, it's like what and she was like, I'm Italian.
And I was like, is that a thing? And then we had a really interesting moment, we're discussing that Italians historically in this country were not considered quote unquote, White people until very recently. That's like a 50 year old concept if not younger. And so anyway I always get a kick out of Dan. Dan has the same kind of complexions my wife so I imagine that he's Italian but Italian names are kind of American names kind of like pizza and spaghetti.
I don't get it. Why can they not pronounce Dan's name? That seems really rude. I mean, I just don't think that they are in the habit of watching or listening to his world-famous podcast. Well, that's why they don't know the truth about America, right? Correct or incorrect. They're trying to be immune from the facts. And I'm just saying I'll listen to the damn Gina to share just a couple times.
And I know his intro, his intro brings it and just saying that's a shame that these people don't want to know the facts, they live in Washington, they don't want it. So any any hits that they scored, they feel like maybe they got some chalk on their side of the win column or no, I really don't think so. I felt pretty much in control
the whole time. You know, it's one of these situations where I was like what they could be the world's greatest interrogator or lawyer, but a few of the facts on your side. Then there's not a whole lot, they can do with it and it. The truth. He tried to hit me with the, the January 6th, folks, the being a sympathizer with, you know, a 3% or proud boy or an oath keeper or something like that. They tried to hint at that.
But, you know, I like it on my lawyers going in the whole gist of my complaint was always the process problems with it. Like, look if we violate people's rights, it doesn't matter what they do. And actually it's worse because you might let somebody Buddy, who should be in jail all out or lose on appeal because you didn't follow the process.
And there was a point there where they kind of describe one of the one of the guys who was on the arrest operation that I didn't participate in. That's brought about my entire suspension and they're like, what do you think of this guy's is get up and I just had that. Boyd said, he looks like a really bad guy. He, he should probably go to jail for the bad things. He did, had to be really a shame to lose on appeal because we violated his civil rights.
Right. And they provide, all right, we're moving on to the next topic. Yeah, that's called. I just said the thing that everybody would say about this because Law Enforcement Officers tend to defend Law Enforcement Officers when the officers are in the right and when they're not in the right then we care about the process. So I did a podcast. It's a couple days ago and people can see that it's called. The government has no interest in the outcome and and that's
essentially what you're saying. I don't know if you were on the stage this space with Bill Shipley the other day Shipwrecked crew. But yeah I'm statement which I thought was profound is That the FBI and the doj do not have an interest in the outcome of criminal prosecutions. At least they're not, they're not supposed to their job is to be pure of process and let the justice system, which is also the other half. The adversarial half, which is the defense. And also, the jury is supposed
to make their own decisions. We're weighing in on the scales in a weird way and I think you just said it perfectly. It's like, it doesn't matter. We just go get the facts. We don't get paid anymore. Did you ever get like a bonus for getting a conviction? No, no. No bonuses for convictions. And the only bonuses I got were recently for working child pornography, which they took me off of, to work, of course, j6 cases, which congressman Gates was, was wise to bring up and discuss with me.
So we he was there and as it was Dan Bishop, so I was, I was pretty happy with that because Congress is on recess this week. So those guys were enough away from home volved in in this select committee that they came back early to participate. It in this deposition with me. Which I thought bodes well for you know how serious they are taking it that's good.
I am glad that they had actual members of Congress coming in to ask you questions that it shows a certain amount of respect for the information that you brought. So that's helpful. You do you think that there was a reason why you were a transcribed interview, a deposition type as opposed to being in front of the cameras. The way our friend FBI Miami Barbie was out there and Did you by chance if you cry. When you mention any of the
cases you worked on? No, I didn't cry, but I did brief them up on the operation that went badly in Miami for the child pornography raid where they had the two agents get killed. Yeah. Tell me what, you know about that because I know a little bit about as well for my friends there. Yeah. The the guy who was actually supervising the time I had across past with him on a joint operation that he did up in my area and you know offline kind
of had this. Discussion with them and he filled me in on some of the details of it. And basically, he was supposed to be in charge that day, but he had had the night before a hands on offense, that he got involved with investigating and the victim of that tested positive for covid. So he was not allowed to come to the operation the next day. So they were sort of without their regular supervisor and then it was kind of this hodgepodge of of agents that Guy brought in.
He said, look, they're all good people but it wasn't our regular routine. And then they made the mistake of sort, of negotiating at the door with this guy as opposed to being more kinetic in their action and they were negotiating in front of a window. Yes. And and and then, the one part, I don't know if you heard this about the local law enforcement. Well they claim to be local law enforcement but they're wearing FBI placards and he had camera showing who they were no, no there.
What they had local PD, they're on the perimeter and I guess he so he told me that they've gone back and watched the body. Camera and the officers are saying to each other. That's the FBI's fight. We're not getting involved in that and stayed back when there was shooting.
Yes, that's ugly. So, the other thing that's really gross to, and this is the saddest thing for me, because I worked SOG as, you know, and so did Phil, and SOG is good for the things that it's good for the, the surveillance units are very good at knowing when people go places, especially when they develop a pattern and this guy had a pattern of leaving his house. So folks, I'm digging deep into this thing's just for a moment, but he get a pattern of leaving
his house. Run 8 a.m. or 9 a.m. it, doesn't matter what it was. It was some regular time in the morning and he walked to work. He went on foot and they could have easily grabbed him when he came out. But instead the FBI insisted on this sort of procedural stupidity that we do, which is that every search warrant has to be served at 06:00 by banging on a door.
And then either try to talk people out or banging the door down with the ram but really it is a place for being a little bit more intelligent about it and I think that was kind of one of the arguments that you made that you're supposed to use the right arrest tool. Tool for the right subject and sometimes that's a summons and sometimes it's just, you know, a knock and talk and sometimes if it's a break the door down at 6 a.m. and sometimes it's a surveillance, interdiction where
you grab somebody in the open. Yeah. And and there's no need to use an elephant gun to kill a mouse. That's that's what I keep saying to media.
And I might have used that actually in the, in the deposition, but as far as just being having to do a deposition, first being as charitable as I can to that consideration, I think that that Nicole Parker wasn't going to be offering a lot of concrete information, so maybe she wasn't going to be hammered so much by the minority and they kind of wanted to flush
out with the material. I was prepared to bring to the table and see and they don't know me, they don't know if I'm going to be when these guys that, you know, gets up and starts screaming and flip the table over and how I'm going to react to anything adversarial. So maybe there's a little bit of preparation. But I'm hoping that, you know, what Garrett told them, what George told me, what I told them that they see, like, we have the goods here.
It's not just appeal to emotion with tears and talk about the good old days and no, that's, that's really the piece to it has nothing to do with emotion as nothing to apologetics and least not for me. I actually just tweeted out a piece by got it, do you know Trevor Aaronson as are you familiar with him? That sounds familiar. So he wrote a book called the terror factory that actually feel recommended to me. Yes, early on and left me though. He's a lefty.
Hmm, and he's got problems with the FBI to, as you should when the FBI does things, which is like manufacturing terrorism cases and I don't care if they're going after people. I don't agree with the BLM premises and yet, I think you would agree that if BLM people are doing violence, then they should be stopped. And if they are just protesting, Should be allowed to protest. That's what you and I swore to do to protect that, right? Mhm.
Yeah, and so anyway, he wrote a book, he wrote a big paper about how antifa and BLM were basically infiltrated by FBI. In Denver. It's in my Twitter feed if people want to go find it but he has a new podcast. It's a 10 part series called the alphabet boys talking about paying this like violent felon to infiltrate as a CHS into BLM stuff in Denver. It's totally bizarre but it's not a partisan issue. The FBI sucks. But did they different Some people's rights.
Yeah, it's right down the middle, I would think. And this has to come out in the actual televised hearings. And the reason it's probably more important that it comes out for these hearings as opposed to January 6 hearings is that was complete appeal to emotion. The people that were emotionally invested in the January 6 committee hearings. There was other people there watching it every day, for hours
and hours and hours. There was an eleven of them Nationwide. I think it was the entire CNN, viewbot, it was, at least a dozen, at least it was slightly. Than the Kyle Serafin, show audience, but I think, I think people have a limited bandwidth for keeping up.
They don't want to watch this thing for two years, but if you bring something like, you've been bringing out on Twitter and you see how people get fired up and now how, you know, you got a bleeder on your little pocket knife slash at the Godzilla, you love any kind of that too. It's such a good such a good visual and we can do that and we can do that with Witnesses and people will then, you know, they don't, they have to tune in for hours and watch, you know them, go back and forth.
With and virtue signal and try to get campaign ads for YouTube, but the information can get pushed out in a more digestible format and then that'll get the voters and the public at large fired up and I think ultimately it's building an Arsenal for next for this fall where there's going to be this budget
negotiation where they can say. Well look FBI, your budget is cut significantly and you can't use these funds for x y and z. Domestic intelligence probably being X y&z, it should be for sure. Did your experience being interviewed? Therefore, this this transcribe interviewed to that give you more or less hope and what the committee's doing? Jerry's out.
But I was very encouraged by having having Gates and Bishop there because you know, obviously they didn't have to be, they could have said staff and it wasn't just there were there for moral support to shake my hand or you know, get a picture or something. I like they had questions prepared ahead of time. They done their homework, but I mostly something about rhetoric. Do you mind kind of relating that I remember you telling me about Jason that?
It sounded funny. That's probably his story for people. He's, yeah, he's an attorney. So he, we were talking about my sick, security division, interview and how widely accused me of inciting violence with my column about the Soper. Folks, if you haven't heard this interview, go back and listen to the SEC D experience, is that what we called it? Phil But we caught something
else. Yeah, I think you've thought about calling it something like suck my D. I think which is terrible, but but I think we called it the SEC D experience and so anyway, good looks of that if you want to hear what Steve have when he was interrogated by The Bureau and how he got the best of some of these clowns that apparently English is a second or third language. Yeah. All right. So that's, that's the reference that were talking about which he either heard the Kyle Serafin. Show.
Or how do you think, you know, I was talking about how the bureau is sort of weaponized against whistleblowers and how I'd go. Into this security division interview and it was absurd. And I said, look, I wrote a column, I didn't get paid for it. Democrats, and in this column of there was a quote that said, this is a rhetorical Call to Arms for my fellow civil servants and SEC.
D said that I was inciting Violence by using the phrase Call to Arms. And Congressman Gates looked at me deadpan and said, we're you calling for violence? And I said, no, that's why I use the word rhetorical. He responded because the rhetorical means words right? At the City Assessor it does. And we just moved on to the next topic. Did he laugh at all?
Yeah, he left at that and they laughed at the fact that I had a tsse, i clearance to go into a skiff and turn the alarm off that came up to so yes you just repeated the SEC D experience, but you did it with ad hominem attacks from different people. This time I did it with the benefit of having a Had an after action review on the Kyle Serafin show where I could snark it up even more. That's a true, it's so good. So that's fun. What are the things we would you
expose about? Or would you like people to know about the experience and then we'll move on to how you've been living? Well, with a private Chef for the last, like, 48 hours or something. Yeah, man, it was like, dinosaur eggs. Like you said that is her exams? Did you need an Entourage? If you're gonna have dinosaur egg, like, what was that? Those are Chappelle Show, wasn't it, right? Is that Its egg. I'm gonna, hey, I've got it's so
bad. Laughing are, you can always, it's been fossilized and he had that like horrible T-Rex omelet or whatever. That's so kesari. Good, we're getting sidetracked. Here you yeah, wrap up with what I was able to. I was very happy to introduce the last column that I wrote that that information about the the IPM, the integrated program management, the field office, strategic planning, and the threat review, prioritization trp, this is what you call Moneyball.
Crime. Correct Moneyball and Minority Report combined. Yeah. And explain to those guys just in real surface level how they set these ridiculous metrics and these are things that George Hill talked about in a prior episode with you. Yeah. And and and how then it kind of interferes even with the the tempo of our work. If it's right just work and how, you know, you have a delay in dieting, a subject because we need those numbers in the next
fiscal year. So wait a couple months and when I said that I thought their heads were going to explode. So It's a really important thing that I think that this committee
needs to look into. I think a lot of problems are Downstream from that and it's obviously tied to the SES compensation and and you have to generate all these Intel will products, certain quantity and them, which is how we get to the radical traditional Catholics being pushed out, maybe one of the motivating factors thermal exhaust Port. Yep. Yep. So brought that forward and and then quickly departed and flew back to Florida because I had to speak at a panel.
Agent last night it with the Palm Beach Republican Club. With one of my fellow colleagues from Center for renewing America. Another fellow. No jet is Jeff Clark. He's in more of an executive role he was the, he was former Department of Justice was actually in line to take over as acting attorney general when
Bill bar or resigned. And and as he was explaining last night, you know, he's kind of gotten the Roger stone treatment and For having looked at some election, malfeasance it happen in 2020 and walk outside in his underwear for a search warrant, which oig executed, I don't good. Yeah, he said they were 1811 said they were armed and they brought they brought local PD with them because they wanted the body. Cam footage of him in his underwear outside of his house. That's thoughtful.
Yep, I'm going to start sleeping in no underwear. Then that's gonna be my move with a holster though, right? Yeah obviously we're not for not getting ridiculous. The leg rig will be ridiculous. So I want to, I want to point out something that I think, I think you'll agree with, but I don't know for a fact. And so we're going to just kind of dive into this for a second. The FBI suspended you indefinitely without pay. They suspended me indefinitely
without pay they did. So, without any regard to whatever we brought to the table in the investigative sphere, you know, they didn't size up. The opponents, say these are people that were willing to cross. They just said these people are conscientious objectors to fill in the blank policy. So we're going to crush them. Do you think that they had any idea that we were going to get involved in what we're doing right now and come after them the way that we have not a chance?
There's no way then they did not anticipate that shelving us. What? Actually unleashes. I think that they're just really used to using this security clearance process and then they just lean on people.
And and I don't think we're unique within the bureau, I think we're probably more unique within the general public and being people they're sort of Proof financially when we didn't have to work beholden to having to leave immediately and then and just being unafraid to speak back and say, look, he'll step to me, man. That's, you know, that's just not going to be a problem for me. That should be the standard, but it's not.
I'm going to, I want to dig into that even a little bit further because I think there's something really interesting about that and I agree with you, by the way, I think it's the thing. I told you the first day that we spoke the first day that you the day, after you went public and our your name was sort of released on top. And ran a Divine and all that. And I just said, you know, pick the door and I'll go through it with you and and I still feel that way which is a nice thing to feel.
After a couple of months of this sort of protracted information war, did you feel like you had a strong Mastery of the Faust of the, the integrated threat Management program of any of these metric based sort of things before you left the FBI as a suspend e? No, no ice at to the process as an acting boss one time. Time. And I keep saying it was like being on Cancun for spring
break. When you have like three years of high school Spanish. I understood like every eighth word but I was able to develop a greater understanding because of the network that we have information out to people that are still on the inside, who have been doing it for years and know the problems of it, and they schooled me up and Scooby up in a way that I could then School up the congressman. So we're talking what, second, third grade level, right?
Well, the thing. That I'm getting at about this in particular is that they like you said, they did, they thought they were, they were putting us out to pasture. And what they did is they just unleash us to do the thing that we do, which is go find problems, identify them and then articulate them in a way that is legally responsible. And moreover is going to be something that is potentially
prosecutable. And so, in this case, they gave you license to go learn about something that you would have never been interested in. If you had a million years in the bureau and yet on the outside of it, it's like, well, that's one of the reasons is broken. So you became At least a functional explainer. If not an expert on it to be able to relay that message. Do you like how ironic is that? What do you think about the fact that we would have never done this without that?
Exactly. I mean and think about where you were all you want to do is investigate Indian Reservation, crimes. They tell you to just forgot about you that like, how many people want to do Indian reservations. I was doing child pornography like just leave me alone. That's all I ever wanted and instead was no you must you know, Must wear the ribbon like the Seinfeld show. It's the Seinfeld. Yeah. Why won't you wear the ribbon? Yeah, Dave, I won't. You wear it one of us.
I mean, that was my ASAC, you know, she just couldn't comprehend the fact that in her 24 years, nobody had Ever Raised their hand. And said, what are we the bad guys here? No no self-reflection whatsoever. I'm going to I'm going to go on that field. You have the the Twitter page is that PIN And just a thumbs up on that one. Yeah. Do you mind pulling up? Do you mind pulling at the tweet that I had?
That showed the the frou-frou, whatever the heck that thing was, it's got it. So this was about two hours ago. Looks like it was the the production. What is the heck is this thing? It's called the Production Services Unit. This is the unit Chief, who is a headquarters position? Responsible for intelligence products, we revealed our intelligence product last week, which you're familiar with Steve. And this individual Created a like kind of like a pro tip.
It's the tip of the week, the tip of the week, at the end of the week and it's in this cutesy font, right? Phil if you could throw that sucker up, it says, always consider all available sourcing relevant to the intelligence question. And rigorously examine its quality and credibility. Dude, you're thinking I was going to go. Do the boys weren't you? Yeah, hold on. Let me, let me finish describe sourcing to the readers, so they can understand the evidentiary
base of the products assessment. So I I upgraded some of my cape. Abilities. Folks. As you can see and hear and that this not for the better, it's just for my own amusement and most it makes T laughs. So I mean there's a whole bunch of minute. Elmo is the best. Yeah, it's what is it called? Effeminate Alvin Alvin. Yeah, the Chipmunk correct. So I'll read some of these questions that are in here.
We treated these out. If you wanna go to the Twitter page and actually see what the FBI publishes on this, like stationary style, document is all pink sand and script and things like that. It's going to allow all sitting. I used to be indecisive but now not so okay. So let's read some more of these by the way, I don't know if it's Male or female that runs this unit. But based on the effeminate and feminine, you know, whatever it
is like letterhead. I'm going to just do the, the voice that irritates me because this is how it sounds in my head. So this is how it sounds in my head. I hope it's offensive to people at the FBI who were dumb enough to unleash Kyle, and Steve on themselves. And now they have to deal with. Like, basically, to delegate said guys, with pocket knives, fighting Godzilla, or more likely like Wolverine little Wolverines, it's like snarling at a giant animal and just like
ripping Being at their ankles. So here we go I'm going to read the questions that you should consider when you're writing a First Amendment. Violating document about whether or not Catholics are actually white supremacist. Is it consistent with or does it conflict with other evidence? Is it circular reporting. But circular reporting is a reporting, a report to itself. Is it a single outlier from your
other information? Is it sort by the pups, the Southern Poverty Law Center is it, is it recent? Is it real? Is a source access direct or is it just a gripping organization that is tried to raise money based on that being a fake? A triggered I had the source been evaluated or is it the Southern Poverty Law Center in the Atlantic? I'm admitting and what is the bias of the source? What is my bias, am I buy it?
Do I hate Catholics for some reason even though I went to a Jesuit school and my back high and is there an intent to influence the US government? Am I trying to influence us government do I think I am The US government. What types of denial or deception? May be at work? Anyway, um, so that's ridiculous but that's what I that's what this person sent out and didn't
sign it by name. I don't know if it's a normal thing now, but see, a Parsons pretty weak stuff there from the announced production and intelligent management branch in the director of intelligence in the intelligence production
section. That is the Production Services Unit Chief. We have so many dumb names in the FBI as Found out when you went to the office of the integrity and applies to find out whether or not you get a job which had nothing to do with any of those things as far as I can tell and well done. So sorry, how are you feeling about being a fellow being you resigned from the FBI and being a guy who is no longer Shackled and is now literally paid to go
and disrupt FBI malfeasance. How does that feel it felt good.
It was something that I pointed out last night in my remarks, I was like, you know, It reminds me of Romans 8:28, all things work for the glory of God and those called, according to his purpose, I was being investigated by the investigators at the FBI and because of all these circumstances I am now investigating the investigators who are investigating me. Has I Aid in the this select committee and hopefully bring about some real reform, so it felt good to get that out and not have that.
That pressure. You landed on me. Let me show you my attorneys were like, well, At this point, you can't even put anything past the FBI. What's to stop them from? Showing up at your house with a search warrant for some contrived criminal violation. And I will note that the Inspection Division upon learning of my resignation. Within a few hours sent me an email. Inviting me to still voluntarily come in and do an interview with. Are you thinking about doing that for sport or?
No, no, no. I told them, no, but I'm also still waiting on my my training records and I heard back today. Day, sure the FBI that even though I filled out the paperwork to authorize the release of my training records. To me that I need to have my attorneys authorized so they can release it to my attorney since I'm represented by an attorney.
They have to to go through it that way, I had the same thing from the Equal Opportunity people, they told me that even though I wrote them in writing that you can send us and I see see my attorney. Please respond with the information. They said, No, we can't do that because you need to fill out our dumb form, and you have to print it and then sign it, and then scan it and then send it back to us. And I just said, just send it to me. I'll send it to him.
I don't need you. You clowns, there they are, people who work a job, so that the job can exist, not because the job needs to be done, self, looking ice cream cone. That's and I mean, there's so many, there's so many analogies but yep. Yeah, I told my attorney that at some point along the way, there were people who sat down and were like, hey, we need to develop a process. And this is what they came up with and they left that room thinking like okay, that'll work.
Yeah. Well, as Phil has accurately stated, I think that a gs-15 and the FBI, but probably in the government mostly mostly the government large a gs-15 in the federal government is someone who's never said, no to a bad idea and you don't get higher than that with with the know
your got to be the S guy. You got to be a can do, let's get this done unless it has to do with the civil liberties of the employees below you, in which case we cannot do that, we don't need to do it. We're going to be running a little short on time right now. How we doing for for overall, we are Yeah, we got enough time on here, folks, I'm gonna plug a couple things. I'm gonna try some fun things because I, I got this board and my brother offered us.
This this sound he said I made this music but it's not good enough for me. But I think it's wonderful. So I'm going to put this in the background and we're going to we're going to do a little wrap up here at the end of our game and we'll we'll kind of plug some of these things. First of all, I'm going to have you plug your book a little bit Steve and let people know and we'll put it in the show notes.
Oh so you can click right through and pre-order Steve's book but tell us a little bit what it is. What they expect and where to find it. Yeah, right now you can find it on Amazon, it's called true blue. My journey from Beat cop to FBI
whistleblower. And, you know, I I was able to finish it in about a month of work, but then I thought about it, I realized I've been researching it for 37 years, so I think I deserve that and it just sort of gives an accounting of my, my life leading up to the FBI and some of the good work that goes on. FBI. And then the not so good things that I've experienced since last summer. Wonderful. And where can people find it? They said, Amazon right.
Now, you know, if you go to Simon & Schuster, you know, it'll just linked back to the Amazon. So you can just skip that step and go there baby. Maybe I'll have a website direct for myself here in the near future. All right? Spell out your your handles where people can follow you and then where we going to see you next. Well, Twitter at real Steve friend at on Truth at real underscore Steve friend, drinking, I'm going to, yeah man, we can get security division questioning where to
find the my material. But the, the big ones that I have coming up next week on Tuesday evening, I will be appearing on Sean Hannity on, Fox News. Have you told him that you're chyron? Needs to say at real, Steve friend and fellow and author, does it say that former FBI agent and whistleblower, can you get a paragraph in there? You think I'm a Hannity show a vanilla needed. Small font senior fellow senior fellow senior fellow. Sorry. Yeah, that's our fellow is fine. That's easy to fit.
Well, I look forward to seeing that well, so we'll look for Sean Hannity. It's going to be broadcasting on Monday. Think, is that this Tuesday night Sean's off on Monday? They bought me one day, but it'll be alive. So I'm about to do out of Carl, serif and move and go to the actual Studio here as opposed to doing it off my laptop. Yeah, super weird looking straight at the camera. Maybe not seeing anything. Maybe just hearing Sean in your ear, imagine those lapel pins.
That's what you think. About right there as you sit there in the chair and fantastic filled. You want to give us a little readout of where people can find, what we got going on. You said, you had a nice donation that you wanted to give credit to and then also are five-star reviews, which we're still looking for folks. Five star reviews, Phil's going to read those things out for me. Yeah I sure do. We've got a nice comment here on
the gifts and go from Doug keg. Doug wrote, may God bless you, and yours. Thank you for courage and your patriotism quote, have I not commanded, you be strong and courageous do Not be afraid, do not be discouraged for the Lord. Your God will be with you wherever you go Joshua 1:9 also great. Five star review that came in recently from someone named s Bloodworth a little wonky but awesome heard your last bit on Dan show this week.
Appreciate what you are doing. Exposing what we assumed all along, godspeed, fellow Patriot. And, of course, we'll have a link to Steve's book. True blue. Ooh, and the description. That's right. Whoa. All right, I'm going to read one more thing here because I'm staying with my folks and my dad said, if you're going to be staying in my house you might as well be pushing things that benefit me too. So I'm going to tell you folks about a book. My father Charlie seraphin wrote.
It's also going to be in the links it's called one stupid mistake and it is smart decision making in a crazy world written by Charlie Sarah from the guy who raised me. One of my favorite human beings in the world still someone I go to for advice every day. This is his thoughts on how you can avoid making bad decisions from a lifetime of interesting decisions on his own. On both good and bad.
It's a father of six people that are an interesting mix of leftist and then people like me who are just constitutional extremists. I think that if you want to read something interesting, it's very easy read. I've actually read it on an airplane on just a single flight and then I literally gave it to the woman that said, X2, because she was fascinated by it. So, once again, one stupid mistake. You can find that on the, on the Amazon and he wrote another book on there, which is sitting on my
side. We'll talk about that another time. Steve, thanks for joining me, buddy. I really appreciate the opportunity. Update and all the Intel and we'll do it again after your Hannity experience. Will see how it feels to be in the big time. Yeah, man, I'll follow your example from Tucker. That's it, we're just gonna full-court press these people, folks you've been listening to the Kyle seraphin show, we do appreciate all of your, your five star reviews.
If you do want to give us a like if you want to throw some comments in there, I read them. I go check on them. If there's a question in there, I generally answer them, if it's full crazy, then I let Phil answer them. That's just the way that it's got to. I can't handle full crazy. I got enough crazy going on right now. We do really appreciate you listening to us. All the downloads are a big deal to us and once again as you as you like it, share it with your
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