Mike Benz Returns | Ep 134

Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an American patriot. Prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for comforting lies. Here is civil liberties enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI agent Kyle Seraf. Hello my friends. Welcome to the Kyle Serravitz show. We are fighting with Rumble right now who has changed our

stream key a few times. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that I'm bringing on one of the epic tellers of truth, my friend Mike Benz, also known as at Mike Benz Cyber. So by all means, if you're not following Mike on. On Twitter or any of the other local platforms, we'll get all of his handles on here. Make sure you do, Folks, this is Thursday, September the 14th. We're going to run right into

this live. I'll read some ads in just a second here, Mike, but let's just say, hey to you, where are you right now? Where are you in the world? Can you hear me? Sorry, just say I just. Had a call come through. Sorry, say say that again. I said, where in the world? Where in the world are you right now? I'm currently in Miami. I just finished this cross country road trip and I think this is probably going to be for Florida through 2024. It is. It's pretty wild year ahead.

And you know, seeing how they're rolling up and inviting prominent figures who are conservative for jaywalking in New York and California and Delaware and Michigan, I kind of wanted to be somewhere where I thought I'd have. Halfway Decent shot, if they. If they come for me. And you know, Miami-Dade actually did just. Rats, for what it's worth. That is true, yeah. Historically very blue though, I think. Yes. So you had a pretty, pretty awesome road trip. From what I saw, you were

posting videos from the road. I really, I actually like your Twitter feed more than almost anybody's. It's got a mixture of of some fun sort of just MM being Mike, hiking, walking, and then like sometimes Mike in nature just ranting about how we're all screwed in the world, which is kind of fun. And some piano playing. I'd I never, I didn't know you played piano the way that you do, but it's pretty fantastic. I'm glad you. Appreciate the Eclectica, You know, I like to think that.

I come across Mode Harmless to the people who would have it out for me because, you know, it's a little weird. Well, I'm going to play a quick clip from there because I went through and scoured your feed for fun things that I liked, and I'm going to show it to my audience because I want them to

get a sense of who you are. We'll do a like a bullet point bio because you came on my show in person, you sat in my house and gave people a really good taste of who you are as a human being and drink some of my coffee, which was great. Let's do video #2 real quick, Ryan, and then I'll let Mike say what this is. California, California on the stereo. Listen as we go. That's going to stop me now. There he goes, upside down Lexi. Kyle, I was not ready for this one.

OK. What do you think, Mike? Were you ready for that? Well, you know, it's the Conan Barbarian quote, right? Like you all have to mean the discipline, the steel or whatever. No. Well, yeah, that's that's a deep cut there, Kyle. That's. How far back does that go? That's a quite, quite some time ago, but yeah. Cornia is a is a wonderful place. We will reconquer it one day.

It's so beautiful and corrupt. You know, I sort of liken it to, you know, an ex, an exgirlfriend or like a fickle mistress that you had a full time together and you may never fully get over, but it was a time in life and you weren't right for each

other. That that's true and and then and then she became fully crazy and she burned all your things in the front yard and she said if you ever come back that you would kind of cut off your genitals and and burn them and give them to another child or something. If you guys are watching on the rumble channel you just saw Mike doing a bunch of pull ups in Santa Monica on the on the sort

of outdoor fitness equipment. If you were listening, what you missed was Mike Benz doing a two arm climb on A2 ropes that are parallel to each other and then getting up to the top, which is probably, I don't know, 20 feet, 25 feet up in the air and then knocking. Out like a pretty long set of pull ups throughout that that that audio you're hearing.

It was mostly Mike doing pull ups on a bar that is pretty thick that is holding up those ropes and then he decides to come down and do an invert and hang upside down and do a body flex and he's basically showing off for other dudes because there's no chicks watching. You do that thing that is a dude. Only moment guys appreciating guys on the beach, which you know, there's there's something very California about that too. Yeah, that's.

I did it for you, Kyle. I knew this moment would happen. It actually tickled me in a big way. Amazing podcast. I I want to know who was filming it too. But what's that? I'd like to. See the the Kyle Decathlon? Actually, I bet. I bet there's a there's some special special set of skills that you've heard. At some point we'll we'll we'll show the the videos that we have some of the there's a little video of me going through PJ and

doc and. And doing some wild stuff and getting drowned and stuff like that. So maybe we'll play that on the show at some point in time. It's out there. It goes back to to 2011. I want to say I went through PJ in 2011, so I went through the end doc there. All right, let's, let's, let's kind of talk about it. I want to play another clip. This is what we really came in to talk about. And this is a little chunk of what we're going to get into.

But I wanted you. You had the best way of describing the CIA's video #6 Ryan, as you gave in there. This is what you teased out on your tweet tweet this morning. This is the animal that. We're going to be discussing so people have an understanding and sometimes when you're in the moment and you're riffing, you just you just have it. And this is one of those moments when you just had it. So we're going to play Mike video number six and then let's

talk CIA. And like, OK, you can argue there's a place for that because it's a mean old world out there. And we need to, you know, the good offense is the best defense. Sure, but that's like having, you know, a rabid Pitbull, rottweiler, orca, whale, dragon. You know, to defend your house in the, you know, this junkyard dog, it's got to stay outside, right? That thing. Can't come in the backyard where we're having a BBQ. Either. Right, but it. But there's a hole in the fence.

But now you've got CIA officers who are the heads of the trust and safety teams, both Google and Facebook. Mike, do you know I know that we're kindred spirits. Yeah, that. Because you gave that analogy and it didn't even rattle me. I was like, yeah, I'm following you 100% right. That's how I would talk about it. I mean that is that is like the

shape. I don't know what inspired that particular constellation of of terms, but I think the reason that afterwards when I listened to the audio, I was like, yeah, that that actually. Is exactly what it is. Is because it sort of captures all mediums and modalities of like Argoyle animals who will defend you from land, sea and air. But you never want inside the house like there's The issue right now is. When we're. When we'll?

Talk about it, but you know the Central Intelligence HD in our foreign facing department of dirty tricks organizations are supposed to protect us from the bad out there because one very particular set of skills which is lying and sabotage. Which is especially why you don't want to invite them to your dinner table. That they lie and sabotage at your dinner. Yeah, I don't want them at my dinner table, at least not domestically.

If we're overseas, that might be a good person to have watching your back, it turns out. Right now it's like the movie Mcgruber where he's got this one move where he just neck twists everyone. And then you know, because that's all he knows how to do, he starts neck twisting the good guys and that's basically what we have.

I mean if I I understand the compromise position that you scat CIA into 1000 pieces to the winds or whatever the JFK quote is. I understand that there there's, there's schools of thought even for people who want accountability for the CIA that you still don't get rid of the thing. Not that that's even politically possible but that you reform okay. I can, I can sort of compromise with that.

But they you got to have the FCA has these rules around not being able to rotate, you know, from jobs you know into into others. You can't have people whose professional training is psychological operations and government overthrow involved in the election, like domestic elections, because they're just going to use that to overthrow governments here. As you can make the. Argument may or may not have

happened quite recently. I think you could make that argument Okay. So before we get too far in there, cuz we do get new listeners all the time, your Mike Benz, you run the Foundation for Freedom online and tell people maybe like the five bullet points of your background so they can kind of do it. And then I'll refer them to go back and watch our our previous so they can hear about you being a master chess player and a pianist and pull up artist. Sure.

So I'm Mike Benz. I'm the executive Director of Foundation for Freedom Online. Our goal is to restore the golden, the inner and take on the censorship industry. Before that, I was the deputy assistant secretary for the Economic Bureau at the Department of State. We just get a freeze up. Yes, Sir. Should be back in a second here. All right, folks, bear with us our connections on there. Mike's on the road and I'll take him wherever we can find him. So he's going to have to

probably reboot through there. As he's saying he was a political appointee in the Trump administration in the State Department. That is a not a lowlevel position. This is not somebody who was on the GS pay scale. This is a guy who was tapped on the shoulder and asked to come in and do this. I don't think we think that anything nefarious is happening. But Mike is on the road and as he said, he's flying around and seeing things in Florida and he might be staying in Florida for

a little while. So I'm going to ask him to exit our our stream and come back in. He worked right directly under Mike Pompeo at the State Department, correct, Kyle? Yeah, that's correct. Well, he was at Mike Pompeo, State Department, directly under it as the deputy, I think he said deputy assistant secretary, that's a little, it's a couple steps below, but he's going to rejoin our thing right now. So and MM is more conspiratorial than I am on this one.

He just said he suddenly dropped the connection out of nowhere, which is a little bit strange. In any case, we've seen the live chat saying we vote for nefarious. That is correct. I'm going to, I'm going to play a quick little clip if we can because I want to get Mike's take on it in a second here. But let's do let's do video #1. And and this is essentially stuff that we're talking about. This is the kind of operations that we are concerned about.

This wouldn't. What happens when you put people that are cut outs either for the CIA or cut outs for the NSA or people that are working in the intelligence community and they are doing? They're trying to police your thoughts, folks. This is, this is the thing we

keep talking about. There's an organization known as SISA, which is the IT is the infrastructure policing organization created under Trump in 2018 is the Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency. Yes, they did use the word security and IT twice, which is a weird thing to do. But you've got an organization that is literally said okay, Infrastructure is our mandate. This is what we do.

And things like the Internet are in the infrastructure and things like, you know, the electrical power grid and the nuclear systems and things like that, all these little sort of webs of government connectivity or infrastructure. And they're interested in cybersecurity. But the thing that they decided to rope into all of this, and I think Tracy Beans was instrumental in and sharing this, at least to my knowledge. They said we want to deal with what's called cognitive infrastructure.

Now the word cognitive, of course, referring to your thoughts and your your mind and the cognitive infrastructure is when they say we want to police how you think we are going to loop your brain into our mandate. And the only way they can do that is through censorship and through mandate, you know, sort of handling the things that come

in through your ears. If they're trying to police what is in your Gray matter and secure it, then they are actually worrying about whether or not they can. They can get in and decide how you see things and what you see things. Mike, we're going to stabilize this connection. I'm going to play video #1, if you would. This just came off your timeline. You're going to have a great way to talk about this as well. So let's do video #1.

Ryan. So our current measures often revolve around debunking and fact checking. We're trying to undo the damage when it's already done. And we know from lots of research and cognitive science that it's very difficult to correct information once people have already been exposed to a falsehood. And this is what we call the continued influence of

misinformation. Once you're exposed to a falsehood, it settles in your memory, it makes friends with other things that you know to be true, and people tend to retrieve false info from their memory even when they acknowledge their correction. And so pre bunking, trying to preemptively protect people before that damage occurs is much more effective than debunking. So what the media described as a psychological vaccine against fake news is really based on the psychological theory of

inoculation. So just as injecting yourself with a weakened dose of a virus triggers the production of antibodies to help protect you from future infection, you can do the same with information by preemptively injecting people with a severely weakened dose of fake news. Or with an example of the techniques that are used to manipulate people. People can build up cognitive antibodies or intellectual antibodies against misinformation. So that came out of your line.

You want to talk about who that is and what they're talking about with this idea of prebunking. Yeah. So this is a, you know, they call themselves researchers, set government cutouts and I'll get to how that is. But this is an individual named Sander van der Linden who is one of the most prolific digital and. Mad scientists in the censorship

game. And what I mean by that is, you know, it's it's well acknowledged that from the 1950s to the 1970s until the Church Committee basically destroyed it, there was a project in this country called MK Ultra which was a program that was fit and designed by the national

security state by the CIA. By Primarily it was run by the CIA, but also with a leg up. From the Defense Department and the State Department. And the goal was to be able to figure out the psychology of the mind in order to be able to manipulate people into behaviors and political activity that was that was in US. In US nationalist creating Manchurian candidates. Mass persuasion of foreign populations. Of course, like all things

national security state, the sort of twisted. 30 Tricks Department turned inward and they started doing trauma testing and LSD testing on US individuals and the whole thing became a sort of crooked cabal of national security state agencies and university centers, Extend University, Harvard University, Oklahoma University, and about sixty others. Who all got money to do the these additude and psychological modification experiments for purely political purposes?

The exact same thing is happening now and start right after the 2016 election in the digital sphere, which is why I call it Digital MK Ultra, because they're what they're You have the the CA, DARPA, Defense Department, State Department, Spook World sponsors. Who are all providing 10s of millions of dollars funding to approximately 60 universities.

The same universities involved in MK Ultra for the purpose of redesigning social media to stop people from supporting populist politicians like Donald Trump in the US like Nigel Farage and the brags of people in the UK like Bolsonara in Brazil, like the Salvini crew in Italy like Marine Lepen in France in like Orban and Hungary. They're rolling this out in 85

countries. Just the State Department has you know has desks that an individual will run and sort of manage the the sort of political affairs with with embassy in that region. They're going region by region, tilting every election on the Internet by Burrow by burying populist candidates and super saturating and using redirect methods and friction methods. And intervention methods.

They have a whole toolkit, this mad scientist toolkit for rigging the Internet to politically favor the State Department regime establishment candidate. And Santander like the perfect example of this because. He. Is basically a figure straight out of a British intelligence novel, if you will. First of just like Russia Gate was laundered through British intelligence. You know Christopher Steele and Orbis, Business Intelligence and the whole MI6, Richard Dearlove

cabal there. That's what the CIA picked to launder that intelligence. It was British intelligence. That's that special relationship between the US and the UK. The State Department does the same, the State K Ultra project. They run this through British through through, primarily through British labs, University of Cambridge, University of Oxford, The Oxford Internet Institute University Sheffield.

There's a dozen of these now. Sandra van der Linden is is like one of these highly acclaimed, extremely prolific. And he wakes up in the morning. It just thinks about what's an interesting novel technique I can use to censor the Internet. Today he is his lab is partnered.

It's called the Social Decision Making Lab and is partnered with the US State Department, with SISSA, which is the censorship agency within DHS, with the British government, and with the CIA brand Google called Google Jigsaw. Google Jigsaw was created by Jared Cohen, who was the one of

the youngest kids. For on Office of Policy Coordination, which is how the State Department coordinates covert action and government overthrow the Central Intelligence Agency, he specialized in digital counterinsurgency and youth movements. That is rallying youths in the Arab Spring to topple the government. He was actually credited with the doctrine that resulted in the Arab Spring. This is Jared Cohen, the creator of Jigsaw.

So he goes from this CIA covert action job to creating Google Jigsaw. And Google Jigsaw is now at the forefront of what you just saw there with Sandra van der Linden's research into cognitive vaccination, which is also being rolled out in US schools through what's known as a digital mercy or media literacy program. By that you think they mean oh, they're like teaching inner city.

School kids had to read. What they actually mean is if you read Breitbart or Gateway Pundit, your media illiterate and need to be reprogrammed and redirected on the Internet to read mainstream slop like the New York Times and the. Yeah, terrible stuff. And also, you know, people were mentioning in the chat, MK Ultra has a pretty dark history going back. People like Ted Tedkins and C were involved in it. So you like there's casualties

that were along the line. There were plenty of people that were involved in it that were overdosed on LSD. And you know, there were a couple of them that committed suicide, some of them on very, very nefarious circumstances, like the history of people going down the rabbit hole. Yeah, the minute you. Start. Killed an elephant with LSD doing that. Right. Literally the amount of LSD to kill an elephant was determined, right? They literally killed an elephant.

So they literally killed an elephant. Where? How much did he have to take to kill an elephant? That's a great question, but they're killing an elephant right now with what these guys are doing. To the Republican Party. Oh. See This is why Mike is so sharp. He just made that that connection in one in one quick step.

Mike, what we may do is we may have you call in because there's just a little bit of a break up in the audio and I think that's the the message you have to say is so much more important. Although I love seeing your smiling face in the morning and I'm much I enjoy the the reaction to it. We're going to play a quick clip. I think that's going to let people see one of these these NSA type spy OPS. And or psyop type thing. This is that that gal from you that's doing the Ukraine thing,

What's it called? STD or something like that. I don't know what the STD stands for. You know what I'm talking about the girl with the bikini. Yeah. Lou. John. Yeah, Lou, John. So we're going to play her video real quick and then I'm going to have you call me. I'm going to send you the number real quick. Yeah, we'll drop out. We'll call you on that. So go ahead and queue up if you

would. Video #4, I believe Ryan, let's go play Video #4. Let's get a better connection to Mike and we'll carry on with this. Kyle, you're not. You're not just upset that I'm now sponsored by Dunkin' Donuts instead of your home? I hope you are sponsored. I don't have a I don't have a coffee sponsor. What I have is a mug from my sponsors with Catholic vote. So we may even read our sponsors while we get you reconnected in here. Let's do this, this video #4. We'll drop you out.

We'll give you a quick phone call. My name is Lujan. I'm a 21 year old female soft operator who's been serving with the Secret Tactical Division for 19 years now. Over the years I've learned a lot about gear, what works, what doesn't work, and what's going to straight up get you and your boys killed. Because each mission is different. You need your loadouts to be mission dependent. Your loadout needs to be constantly evolving and adapting

to fit the operation. That being said, today I want to take the knowledge that I've accrued while living with the STD and spread it on to you to keep you and your boys fucking downrange in the mostly the way possible. I'm going to be running you through some of my various loadouts, showing you why they work and letting you see. The full kit in action so you can really get a good grasp of what you need to be doing differently. So that's fun. I don't know what kind of person

is involved in that. I don't know where that came from, but I know that Mike has some some sensations about it. Let's do a quick thanks to our sponsors while we get bike back on the line here and we're going to call him direct. Folks, I hope you bear with us, because it is. It's way more interesting to hear what he has to say is like I said, visual. It is what it is. People are already calling out this, this lovely lady for her

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Shocking enough, someone who is not family friendly was at a family friendly beach in California and decided to get themself arrested. So check out the loop. There's a whole bunch of other good stories in there. The Justice Department going after Catholics and so on. My favorite people here. All right, let's see if we can bring up Mike. Can you guys hear Mike? Ryan. You got him. Hello. Hello. There he is, Okay Mike. So we're. We were just talking about Lujan.

What is the story with this woman? People just got to see her. She's kind of got this like busty figure she's out there talking about guns. God knows why she doesn't, she said. She's a soft, SOFT operator. What is a soft operator? Well, look, she's she's very mimetic. I mean, there's a lot of theories and she leans into the

mystique quite heavily. And this is this is a person who blew up on TikTok. Sort of around the time when the military was going through this massive recruiting crisis which it's still in and you know, sort of purported to be within the psyops division would always appear sort of at an Army base wearing army gear. You know, full kit headgear. You know, the, you know, the giant you know basically assault rifles and tow is this little you know, sort of five foot one.

You know, sort of. Perky young presence on TikTok. And so given the sort of constellation of of sort of psyops and everything else that was sort of part of her content, she sort of got this reputation as Oh well, this is how, you know, the military is trying to trying to recruit, you know, young military age men at a time when they're bruising after after January 6th, if you remember, there was a giant purge of all sort of red blooded.

Right wing people from military recruitment and and also within within the ranks they had all these counter extremism units where you know if you would have Gadsden flag or if you supported you know any of the the the basic centuries old centrist positions of of of young people in the military you you were destroyed basically by either the DEI the new DEI committees there or the new counter extremism ones. And so, you know, there are a lot of theories about this girl.

But the thing that that I find, you know, I don't know which ones are true or not. The thing that I that I find quite interesting about it is, is this is this role of the military on the Internet and of military personnel in what goes viral, one of the subjects of fascination that I had for a long time. There's an incredible memo put

out by the Special forces. It was a prospectus that was put out about 18 months ago which talked about the future of psyops and the future of sort of digital warfare. And the this is a literal it's published by I forget which branch the Special forces. I'll put this at the top of my Twitter timeline when I get a minute. But they literally proposed. A the the following is a protocol for for what their operations are going to look

like in the future. They there's an army psyops corps who's driving in a W African region and they see a sign on the highway for a New Port being built by the Chinese. So what they do is they immediately call the US Embassy in the region and they coordinate with their DoD PSYOPS forces on the Internet to spark a online campaign covertly. To get the people of this West African nation to engage in race riots against the Chinese business owners in the region.

To and to use that as leverage to convince the Chinese to convince the African political leadership that they need to get rid of the Chinese port deal. Because that's the only way to stop the destruction of local businesses and all the anger on the Internet. So this is literally like the army psyops core, like in writing, planning to to organize, covertly organize race riots to manipulate the political ecology of a foreign country.

I don't think you need to look into that too deeply to to identify the the ethical quandaries of that and the domestic blowback. This is always been going on though. So civil affairs is a is a division that that operates either in tandem or underneath the army special operations and the and the special forces guys

out there. So they are always doing that civil affairs that SIOP move, what what is the, what is the new danger would you say from what is traditionally existed and then being able to do it with an online core. Scale and social media. I mean it's it's basically the same thing that now, look, this happened in the Arab Spring.

What we're coming up on now 12 years ago, but there is a there is a capacity and infrastructure in place now that did not exist before when it was in the adolescent phase. We are reaching sort of the we're approaching the mature phase of the military on on the Internet and everyday political daytoday life, because it wasn't really until the Trump election that that politics. Needed so much rigging in the eyes. There's always at least a little

bit of rigging. But you know, this is what I described recently, as you know, from throughout the the the entire 20th century. There was something that researcher Peter Dale Scott called the Yankee Cowboy War, which were basically what he posited as sort of two factions within the CIA that sort of rotated. You know they you know sort of handed power back and forth to each other and had that sort of constant struggle.

And the with the the sort of Yale wing of the CIA representing Northeast business interests you know New York City DC, City of London finance finance capital and and some Chamber of Commerce with the sort of cowboy faction that sort of Texas and formerly California military contractor faction being the sort of you know oil and energy. And and a little bit of Chamber of Commerce there as well.

And so it wasn't until Trump came along and you know, followed immediately by coterie of populist winning, populist candidates around the world, that that domestic politics had to be rigged so hard. I don't think that the CIA necessarily played a dispositive role in the elections of the

1990s and the early 2000s. Because, you know, you were between George W Bush, the former CIA director, and Bill Clinton, who basically, you know, ran the Arkansas operations for the CI A's MK, the CI A's Iran Contra. These are, yeah, this is like there there was a back and forth, but now with populism ascendant without, without censorship. There is now a saturation level

that did not exist before. People always talk about a uni party and you're just talking about two guys from two different political parties, but obviously had were favorable candidates to the you know sort of administrative state, national security, state operations. What you think it just got out of hand with them. It got ahead of them when the when people started having access to the Internet and they were able to get candidates in,

they being the American people. I guess that didn't fall in line. With the expectations that they've they've had for years. Yeah, they never saw someone like Trump coming. I think if Pat Pat Buchanan that the Internet you know the World Wide Web is rolled out in 1991. Pat Buchanan really came on the scene politically in 1992 as a is a populist counterpoint to to to the sort of Texas A and MCIA folks and the Yale CIA folks that is the George HW Bush. And the and the Bill Clinton fact and.

Those guys. Yeah, yeah. And if, I mean, like Bill Clinton was literally Yale Law School, Georgetown undergrad and a Rhodes Scholar and then goes on to, you know, we wouldn't even retrace all that. But the the point is, is I think if Pat Buchanan had won the presidential election in 1992, we never would have had a free and open Internet the for the first. 25 years of the Internet.

It was an unalloyed good. It was the Defense Department itself that funded all of the Internet freedom technology that created it all. Tour is a is a darker project and. What tour is not? Not everybody is up on on The Onion Router, so maybe you could start. What it is? Yeah, it's a dark web. It's a way to hide your your IP

address. So that you can anonymously access and publish and and sell information, products and services on the Internet, which is very, which was very, very, very helpful to the CIA in the in the early days of the Internet, because this is what allowed the scaling up of capacity building for CIA back dissident groups. Who? Who? Whose governments? The state department wanted to overthrow and install a more client USUS back dictator.

So you know when when we, you know we did this and you know you try to Iran, China that you can go, you can go through dozens of countries. But this was the the Internet itself was a DARPA project. It was only handed over to the National Science Foundation and then privatized because it was it was sort of considered to be a neo Voice of America.

So for for folks who don't know when, when the CIA was created under the national the 1947 National Security Act, one of the first things that was that was created was was what was called Wisner's Wurlitzer. This is named after Frank Wisner, who is sort of one of the godfathers of the CIA, who bragged that he had 800 different media outlets, who he could play like a Wurlitzer, like a mighty Wurlitzer to create a international Symphony. Of Unified News.

And a world start. Like the the electronic organs, isn't that that's where. My brain goes exactly, exactly, exactly. So you know, basically the idea that that global media could be orchestrated like a piano because the CIA had proprietary media assets in basically every country in the world. This is, this is. Remember, they needed this as part of the war effort in World War 2. This is what allowed. You know, this is what allowed such such diplomatic alliance

cohesion was you. You had all of these media and propaganda assets all rolled up in the Office of More Information and then when the OSS turned into the CIA, they simply kept that to go from fighting fascism to fighting communism. Of course, now the target is. Yeah, Cold War relic the people. If you're not familiar with Voice of America, it's run by the Broadcasting Board of Governors, a group that I've actually worked with a little bit. It is assumed to be full of

spies of US and other origins. There are people that are trying to infiltrate from other countries. Almost all of them are natives of another country. They're naturalized U.S. citizens or otherwise. So they have native level language skills which is incredibly important if you want to go and move your propaganda, which is US based propaganda into other countries. So we have ethnically Chinese people who were born in China that are speaking there, people from Taiwan and so on.

But then you also have people from all the different Cold War era countries that the Eastern bloc, but interestingly some of them also have family ties and can be leaned on by those countries. So you're playing this like double agent, you're playing this double agent Russian roulette game to. Whether or not these loyalties lay on our side or the others, and if they're going to slant things, and if they're going to be giving information, it is a

really bizarre entity. And it is sort of a pseudo nongovernmental entity too, because it gets public funding, but it's not specifically underneath the government agency and it answers to the State Department nominally. I guess that was the way I understood it. Maybe you could talk about Voice of America, because I think people have no idea what kind of weird stuff we put our money in.

We There is no country on earth. That we would, you know, so charitably disambiguate from its intelligence services. Yeah, I mean just again as background voice in America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Liberty, this whole coterie of CIA proprietary sister companies in media where they currently are run by, you know, by USAGM, the US Agency for Global Media, which is formerly the Board of Broadcast Managers. But. When did that change started?

Pretty recently actually. Because, I mean, I was working with broadcast a couple years ago. Yeah, Broadcast Board of Governors was people that I listened to or I had to go work with in 2018, something like that, I think. Yeah, no, I think it was. I think it was literally growing the Trump era when it changed everybody to so-called USAGM, somebody got from but well, nothing changed. I know, but you get you get promoted for a name change, right?

Right, yes, right. But these all started even though they nominally are said to be independent. Yes, yes, government. Yeah, you get your money from the government, but you're independent from the government. I love that's but. But that is only because they caught so much Flack because they were directly created by the Central Intelligence Agency and live that way for 40-50

years and then. Any time there was a news headline or a, you know, an atrocity in a foreign country that was sourced from VLA or Radio Free Liberty, everyone just said, wait a second, you're just the CIA. And so I said, oh, wait, OK, OK, we're going to become independent now. But it's like, what? Think about what other country on earth we would so charitably extend that. Like, oh, OK, well, they say they're independent now. They still get their money from

the government. They're still basically run out of the State Department, which is the overt side of CIA covert activity. They were they were born their mother is the Central Intelligence Agency but you know they've grown up and become so different.

I mean imagine if Russia you know had A at A at a literal like KGB spawned media outlet and who still gets their money from the Russian government and and but then because they call themselves independent now because a new entity was set up that's housed within the Russian government you know to to do that. Russia. You can't name a country on Earth even if even if the Brits did this, we'd say it's a British intelligence operation anyway. The point is, is it was very

useful. Radio Free Europe and Radio Free Liberty and Radio Free Asia and Voice of America and all the CIA proprietaries were incredibly useful during the Cold War, at a time when the rest of the of of of the world was not creating its own proprietary media content.

Remember a lot of these mediums were were brand new when these CIA proprietaries were rolled out in the 1950s every you know, radio Vietnam didn't you know, didn't have its own, you know, vibrant infrastructure of of domestic you know, indigenous radio frequency channels to listen to the news on it was it was the only game in town and from that is the CIA

proprietaries. We're able to get market dominance in a lot of of third world and 2nd world regions because they had a first mover advantage into the soft power projection game there. Media wise, the same. This was the vision of the Internet when it was privatized in 1991. the US controlled the Internet. The US had the technological it had the infrastructure advantage when it was exported around the world. It was basically like a Neil Voice of America and it was used

as such. You know, Google came out just four years after the Internet was was was was privatized in 1995. Google started as a DARPA project that a DARPA grant given to Larry Page and and Sergey Brin to as part of the CIA&NSA's Massive Digital Data Systems program whose whose design was to identify political birds of a feather online through through basically the data accumulated

from search engines. Google so that the CIA&NSA could better create a political radar system for insurgency and counter insurgency movements and counter insurgency threats

abroad. This is this is the this is the use of our big tech companies by the national security state to big the political ecologies of. Countries around the world at the very dawn of the Internet and it was used as a means of of basically toppling foreign governments and everywhere from Yugoslavia to Egypt to Tunisia. And it wasn't until 2016 came around and technically they say 2014.

But 2016 will say when the the maturity of social media and people, people having accounts that had grown over time and because of their authenticity had become very popular that individuals started to be able to overtake institutions in terms of soft power media influence over the populace. And once that happened, the national security state lost control because it's institutional assets could not overpower popular individuals with, with, with large, with,

with large presences on social. So we're literally talking about the people's will overcoming the algorithmic sort of a lean towards whatever the the administrative state candidates or the administrative state goals are. Amusingly to me. You know it's not all these things start off as a bit not bad idea. Just the same reason as your Orca Rottweiler, you know Pitbull dragon whale has to be a thing that we have. We have to have a department of dirty tricks.

And the problem is, is that eventually it just gets used on your own. Citizens, we're talking about, you know, organizations that are responsible for Westernizing much of the much of the globe. And and in that way they've sort of pulled a lot of people out of poverty. And there's been some good things. Then of course, it's also responsible for massive amounts of civil unrest and genocide and some other stuff that goes on. It's it's the evil that comes along with it.

And now it's playing in our backyard is essentially the way that we're looking at it. Yeah, no, that's that's exactly right. You know, in the issue now is they're having to reframe what the conception of democracy altogether is. Because what they're what they're realizing is, is there's almost no amount of propping up of these sickly, corrupt, unpopular media stations that can overcome the voice of populist anger against the

crookedness of the system. And so they're having to basically input, go from a you know more or less gentle soft power psychological manipulation and and sort of gentle rigging into these much more hardhanded authoritarian state type techniques where you literally jail their political opponents. You like in Ukraine you first of all that's happening here current president's facing like 750 years in prison the and

they're calling that democracy. Now this is something that would violate rule #1 of what the State Department's you know code book is on what makes a free and fair election. Rule #1 You don't jail the leading political opponent. It turns out, yeah, you know it's two you know, independence of of the media from the government apparatus. The Biden administration literally penned a a memo yesterday to all of the leading mainstream media organs saying

cover me favorably. Don't don't let the opposition paint me as a bad guy. Meanwhile, the administration is fucking funding these institutions to the media literacy programs. I mean there's so much. It's it's well, the issue is like they're having to define democracy as autocracy. It because just doing it the old way is is losing to authentic one small voice type people who are who are resonating with with much more clarity than than institutions like the New York Times.

So funnily enough my my father wrote a book that's called it's it's a marketing book. It's really an idea. It's called When Did You stop being you? And it's in search of your personal brand. And amusingly I think people like the Biden administration and many of these organizations that are trying to manipulate people online would benefit from reading this very short book.

It's got a bunch of little exercises in it in order for people to determine, is the brand that I am projecting in public realistic and is it something that's perceivable? Is it genuine to the person that I really am? Am I living out my brand and and what happens is these people. Or not living out a legitimate brand.

If you're talking about democracy but your tools are authoritarianism and and totalitarianism and and you know you're just not going to sell it to the people because people are more savvy than they've ever been. They have more and more views and more information and and so that's why this girl with the cleavage looks like a psyop to us because what the hell is she doing?

And and that's why all these different people, when they step up and they say we're really going to just help you learn how to think correctly. We're going to sort out what's going into your brain cuz you're just kind of a moron. You can't be doing it. We're showing the. Video right now of Lucian. When you have this kind of stuff, they don't look authentic. They don't look realistic to us because we know what real is, because we deal with it every single day.

Those of us who are in the world know what people in the world look like and then you get online and you're like, this is not what the world looks like. I wanted to to keep talking about this, but I wanted to go actually back in time a little bit. You look like you had a piece from Mirage Men. Have you seen that? The movie Mirage Men, the documentary I you're asking me, I had, I actually did a 40 minute video on because that's what I remember, which I'll put at the top of my time.

Yeah, I want, because I took a little clips of it. I want to show a little piece of it for folks. There's a video #3 Ryan, if you'll clear that up, you'll be able to hear. We're going to start just a little bit of it. And then I want you to talk about what that movie is about. It's an old movie. My buddies who are who are FBI agents love this movie and they hate Air Force OSI because of it. And and and we'll show you a little bit why. So video #3, sorry, is that three?

Yeah, Video #3, let's play a little bit of chunk of that. And then Mike's going to tell you about Mirage men, which I will recommend highly. At one point, another agency was conducting an investigation and they set up a surveillance across the street from him And Paul Son contacted me and said, leave my father alone. You guys are across the street and you're bothering my father. He's getting to the point that he's being paranoid. Well, I knew it wasn't us, he said. He stopped.

So you're okay, so pop that it. Ryan So that's Mike responding to it, folks. If you go into his Twitter timeline, you can find out all these little pieces. That's just a little taste of what's going on. But essentially, Meraz Men is the story of the Air Force OSI trying to defend not very good technology that was getting picked up by very, very smart people who live in Albuquerque. And This is why one of my loves in New Mexico, we're fighting

for gun rights there right now. But a long time ago, there's a lot of weird test projects that come out of Kirtland Air Force Base where I was stationed. They've got hollow mountains, all the things that would, you know, spawn great conspiracy theories. But there's also this sort of like weird alien history there and Mirage Men kind of touches on that. Like you want to kind of give a synopsis of of some of the operations that were happening

there. Yeah. And another thing to keep in mind here is the Air Force is where psychological operations really started. That's why you see so many CIA people and so many psyops people come out of Air Force intelligence and and just so folks understand the the reason for this is because psyops actually you know before it became this high tech military grade MK Ultra super sophisticated you know sort of cognitive manipulation soft power exercise.

It began as a very crude rudimentary propaganda leaflet dropping the task by the US Air Force. That is what we would do is you know during during World War 2 is we would have these planes that would fly over and is the psyops score would would basically drop pro US propaganda out of airplanes or be planted by parachuters.

And so the the people who who would literally put boots on the ground or fly over foreign countries because we didn't have a Voice of America to penetrate their media would literally use the Air Force assets to deploy the Psyops. That's why to this day there is so much psyops infrastructure that's based out of the Air Force. Just so folks understand it's not some random coincidence there. There is a history.

But with respect to Miragemen, when you have this this situation, what I what I think's happening right now is the story of drones. So you have, you have this obsect imperative for classified activity in the national security state. OBSEC means operational security. It means protecting what you're doing from being disclosed to the public.

And there are techniques for obsec that include psychological techniques in order to throw people off the scent and mislead people so that they don't identify what you're actually doing as a classified activity. So one of these things involves new technologies being tested and developed at US Air Force

bases. And you know these are huge masses of land where there's a lot of visibility for the for the neighboring residential folks when there are aerial projects that that the base is carrying out now. We are currently living through the drone wars era.

All of the Air Force money right now and R&D, all the DARPA money for for aerial R&D is going into unmanned aerial drone vehicles and making them sleeker, making them more maneuverable, making them smaller, making them stealthier, making, you know,

giving them new capacities. And every time there's a news story about a new drone from a individual who happens to live near the Air Force Base and then tells a local journalist or or God forbid, I, you know, records it on his iPhone, that's an offset hazard to the base, you know, from their perspective. Well, now the Russians know we have those drones. Now they know we have these capacities. You know, now, now it's going to draw all this heat.

It's going to blow that. As you know, in the same way that Vault 7 of WikiLeaks blew pocket Putin and all these other NSA hacking techniques, this these sorts of sightings blow novel capacities from the US Air Force. And So what they engage in is a systematic psychological, you know, mind war against the individuals who report these

sightings. And miragement is the story of one such target, this guy, Paul Benowitz, who was a family man and a military contractor who lived right next to Kirtland Air Force Base. Who the NS they, they say, see the Air Force OSI on him. The NSA moves into an apartment next door. They monitor him from across the street. They break into his home while he's out of town and replace his computer with a proprietary NSA computer that automatically decrypts messages from the NSA.

But the NSA has programmed to read like an alien language speaking exclusively to this poor Paul Benowitz guy in order to convince Paul that all the his his military grade monitoring equipment targeted at the base is actually aliens, not

drones. Now given that right now we're living through that drone, that sort of drone development steroid process right now in the US military, I had very little doubt that this new push about aliens is to create the predicate to do this to all the little Paul Benowitzes all over the world. We're seeing this deployed in the US. It's really important that people understand what a distraction this stuff looks like. It's like, look over here, aliens. There's the joke is about that

online. That's The funny thing. People actually sense this intuitively. They don't really know necessarily. They may not have the historical background of knowing about Paul, Benowitz and and. And knowing the story of OSI going to do that, but they were a discrediting operation. And what they would do is they would just affirm something that was false. And by doing so, it gave people this bit, you know, this rabbit hole to run down and get into

the UFO ologist. And like every, you know, curious kid, I was fascinated by this kind of stuff. When you Start learning that our own government was out there destroying these guys minds and literally driving them nuts, I think Paul Benowitz, he's dead, I think. Is that right? I think he died penniless. Yeah. He committed suicide after after being committed to into an insane asylum. It's only Braves just, yeah, they broke this guy's mind. And I want to just touch a little bit, too.

About Kirtland Air Force Base. It's 51,000. 51,000 acres. It's where I was stationed in Albuquerque. It's on the the SE quadrant of the Albuquerque area. It backs up against the Sandia mountain range. The mountain range actually ends on the base and the last three to four mountains that are there are hollow. That's that's publicly available information. You can actually go on Google. You can look down on the base and see that some of the mountains don't look like real

mountains. They're built up, they're hollow. Their continuity of government facilities where they maintain all kinds of like stores. I saw trucks driving in and out of huge doors all the time. And then every once in a while you see one of these alien photos where they're showing like a like a saucer that's trying to get into like one of these doors and they're and they're all Photoshopped and stuff like this. But the the reality is, is there's all kinds of projects

that are happening. One of the fun things, Mike, that you'll find out kind of wild. I got a notice when I was on Kirtland Air Force Base that the drinking water was no longer safe. And that the arsenic levels were incredibly high And so we were drinking like this like arsenic laden, you know, rat poison water, right. Standard standard government

stuff. And then almost almost simultaneous to that we found out that something like 500,000,000 barrels of oil were missing from the continuity of government facilities the the strategic oil reserve type things. And they were like, you know someone has stole it's the biggest theft since you know since ever in the United States government. It's been going on since the 1950s, blah blah blah, blah.

Then they found out that they were just like leaking storage tanks that have been leaching into the. Groundwater, so all the things that were coming out of the J P8, the jet fuel that we would use for the Air Force Base, we're actually just going into the groundwater. So we're just drinking J, P8, you know, mixed in with whatever tap water was coming out because the facility was able to fill.

So this kind of failure it's it's not only are we dealing with sophisticated operations, we're also dealing with morons that just they go towards the dumbest possible solution. And oftentimes it's our own government is our own worth enemy in these things. Doesn't mean that we don't need a government. It just means we've got to be on it, which is, I know one of the things that you guys are involved in exposing the the foolishness.

And then the more people are are aware, the less they can be tricked by these types of operations, which I think is a good win. It also makes them work really hard though. But will two things I could add what you just said. One is Mirage men actually covers a case where where currently Air Force Base poisoned the groundwater in I believe the 1970s when it was conducting all these radiation experiments in the region which which which resulted in the mass death of animals.

Animals being basically flayed alive by by bombs and radiation testing. And then that was turned in by by Air Force OSI into local rumors that aliens were actually playing these animals rather than U.S. military bombs being

dropped. But one other thing is I just and if everyone listening if you go to the top of my Twitter timeline right now at Mike Bend Cyber you will see exactly what Kyle just described about about UFO stories as a as a national security state sanctioned just media distraction mechanism.

What what I have at the top of the timeline is a post containing the 1954 CIA cable to the State Department when the when the CIA was working on a on A to topple the government of Guatemala in in 1954 and the Guatemalan government caught on to the CIA plot to overthrow the government and and and install a

US back dictator there. And so the CIA wrote a wrote pen to cable to the state Department saying hey the government of Guatemala is on to us we need to activate a news cycle in Guatemala. Here's here's the direct words of the memo if possible. This is on State is on history.state.gov OK, this is a State department.gov website because it's all been declassified now since it's been 70 years. Where?

Here it is. A telegram from Operation PD success headquarters in Florida to the CIA stations in Guatemala. If possible, fabricate big human interest story like flying saucers to take play away. It's literally a fucking CIA. I'm sorry. A hecking CIA plot to to distract from a busted government overthrow operation by getting people focused on fake alien stories instead. It's it's it's as old as time getting people to look over here. I always equate this to the laser pointer.

I always tell people if you've ever if you feel like you're chasing ghosts in the media. If you feel like you're chasing stories and you're outraged at this and then that at this and that and it's like a cat that's chasing a laser pointer that you're sitting up on the couch trying to keep the cat from scratching your your your furniture.

So you shine the laser pointer all over the carpet and the cat attacks the dot, attacks the dot, attacks the dot and it's throwing its claws into the carpet instead of your your upholstery End of the day the the cat comes back. It has no. Laser, because the laser is being originated somewhere else and it's all misdirection. It's all this plot to just keep the cat occupied. And you know, these operations are trying to keep Americans

minds occupied. So they're not paying attention to the real problem, which is that there's somebody up there with the laser pointer that's doing some pretty nefarious stuff on the other end. They're just trying to keep these people distracted so they can keep doing business as usual and and you know that and that used to work a lot better when there was only one laser pointer, right?

The issue is, is now people, you know, people can tune into the Kyle Seraphin Show and just see, you know, a relative straight shooter who they may agree or disagree with on an issue by issue basis, but they're like, hey, this is a regular dude, I don't, you know, this feels authentic.

Whether he's right or wrong, there's something really weird when you tune in. I mean, after having spent so many years now, like listening to news on the Internet from regular everyday people, it's you can feel the inauthenticity of state backed, you know, mockingbird cutouts. Like when you turn on CNN or you turn on Fox News or or MSNBC or a BC or NBC, you can like, feel the talking points crawling

through the skin of the anchors. These people, you just you instinctively know that if there was some dark shit in the story that they knew about, they wouldn't tell you even if they knew about it. Because they can't. It's the so when we used to train for human, and human is human intelligence, it's the the basics of gathering information from other people and they can do it. You can do it in a shady spook way and you could work for an agency or you can do it in a law enforcement way.

And there's a lot of human that's involved in law enforcement, right? And so they would do this human block. And first of all, the people that taught human were the weirdest, like most socially awkward people. When I was at the FBI Academy, it just made me laugh. I'm like, why do we have people who are social retards? Out there trying to teach how to not be a weirdo. And so you end up with a bunch of these agents and there's actually videos.

There's a guy that's called Washington's ghost and he just put out a, you know, an interaction with the FBI agent. And it's actually not an FBI agent. He's actually a treasury agent claiming to be an FBI agent. Even weirder Mike. But he's he's with a real agent there in Atlanta. And they're going in there interviewing a guy and he's like, you ever meet somebody that just makes the hair on your back stand up and you want to just. Let the government know about

him. Like, we're here for you. We want to help you and the guys like, you're weird. Get off my porch. I don't want to talk to you. Do you have a search warrant? Like, go away. There's this whole idea that weirdos will go out and try and engage and they're going to try to sell it to you. And like you just said, you can feel that operational weirdness coming out because people go. That's not how human beings interact. I would always people you know the number one rule is don't be weird.

But some of these people can't help it because what you're asking them to do is so unnatural. It's lie with a straight face for a reason that you can't get behind and believe. And it comes off as inauthentic because those people have not sold themselves on it. And then you can see the people who really do believe it and you just go like, okay, you're unhinged.

That also is really obvious. And so we're looking for that thing that's somewhere between being a social weirdo who's trying to parrot talking points that don't make any sense to them and being someone who is like a zealot. And we can see both of those. And somewhere in between is where guys like you and I land, where people go.

Yeah, they speak really quickly and they're obviously passionate about what they say, but I believe them because they believe them and they also know what they're talking about most of the time. No, exactly, exactly. But it's one of these things now that is created, it's gone from being a a nuisance to the national security state to a like high octane top tier geopolitical threat.

Which is to say that that, yes, because, you know, democracy itself is a product of the news in the region of the people voting in that democracy. Democracy promotion has been the means of soft power, you know. So again, just to back up, from from time immemorial up until 1948, World Empire was done by hard power. You know, there's always soft

power projection. That is, there's always, you know, media and economic and diplomatic pressure that was always a part of the international diplomacy game. You know since the dawn of civilization the empire itself was allowed was the the hard physical military played a much

bigger role from civilization. You know T0 up until 1948, in 1948 when the rules based international order was being set up, when architecture is being laid down at the end of World War 2 and the Geneva, you know in the UN Declaration on Human Rights came out, there was a international prohibition on territorial acquisition by military force. This is one of the and this is this is still in effect to this day. There's a lot of gamesmanship.

Yes, there there is a international law prohibition on the military acquisition of territory by force. This is why, for example, with the Crimea referendum in 2014 the for for Russia to be able to have the patina of of international legitimacy, the people of Crimea had to vote to join the Russian Federation. Because, look, Russia is still in the UN. There's a spot on the UN Security Council, right? They are part of the international community pariah, as they are right now.

In order to have to be compliant with international law, they had to have the people vote on that referendum. What I'm trying to say is in 1948, the game changed. You could not acquire territory, You could not abide by military force. You had to have the patina of the support of the people for international recognition. Which, Which is which is the which is sort of the base infrastructure for everything else in international diplomacy. Let me say anything for people that long.

Time so they so they're tracking because I think a lot of people are probably in the buffering zone as fast as you and I both speak When we're talking about is that you can't just go in take your military like risk and conquer a territory and claim this is home. Put your flag in and say this is now my place you can't go take Papa you Guinea that way.

You got to go to Papa New Guinea and get them to vote to take you on. Even if you already invaded there they still have to nominally say and we accept you as our new leaders. So there has to. To be that in order to be able to defend the legitimacy as you're saying, which is what was going on in Crimea and it's why I guess a lot of people are are seeing the problematic nature of the the Russians just saying screw it, we're sick of this nonsense. It's already it's it's a veil

anyway. Let's drop the veil and just move in with our military and take back what we want. Right? Right. And but but even there, remember like that the the people in Eastern Ukraine actually, you know voted to join the Russian Federation like even in in in the in the Donetsk and Luhatsk, they they held those referendums the same way they did in Crimea. They still went through the process.

Now the way you. So what I'm trying to say is that the role of the military changed after 1948 from being a primarily you know, sort of kinetic kinetic military hard power territorial acquisition force to being as you identify with the sort of you know civil affairs folks to being a kind of paramilitary support structure for this massive democracy rigging process in every country on earth in order to can in order to control the politics because the politics are are

what you can't just have a military occupation anymore. You do need to have this patina of of international recognition. And so I guess what I'm trying to say here is, is that's there's this, the the role of the media is very important

there. Like we in the Ukraine in the run to 2014, US aid and the State Department and the National Endowment for Democracy which is a CIA cut out pumping combined $5 billion in the Ukrainian civil society to create the infrastructure for the Right Sector riots that

toppled that government. Okay. We pumped $5 billion worth of media assets, union assets, paramilitary assets, education assets into the region to create a US hub within Ukraine from which to effectively January 6th the democratically elected President of Ukraine Yanukovych out of office in February 2014. We so we saturate the region with our media assets in order to create a critical component of US National Security state plant population.

The issue right now with shit posters on the Internet and and small authentic voices who grow to be more influential than broadcast media organizations is that they they destroy that entire operational planning blueprint that's been around now for over 70 years. Because if if there's no amount of money that you can pump into a region to to drown out the authenticity of a of a popular shit poster. And again this is what happened in 2016 election.

Every single broadcast media organization back Hillary Clinton. There was not a single newspaper endorsement, not a single newspaper endorsement in the entire country print newspaper for Donald Trump. And yet he still won because he dominated on social media. And at that point, social media accounts were allowed to grow to huge, to huge subscriberships without getting chopped down.

Alex Jones in 2016 had more hits combined on his YouTube channel than the entire broadcast news station of CNN. He had like 2 billion views. He was big. One man was bigger than, you know, basically the CIA&DOD's top broadcast media cut out since the Iraq War.

And so, but this illustrates the problem with the operations of of the US military, which is that if you can't censor these people, then you can't stop these people because there's almost no amount of money on earth that can get you to watch a CNN broadcast and be like, you know what, this guy's making a lot, a lot of sense. I really trust him. If there's a Kyle Serafin show you can tune into instead. It's true that. And then they try and astroturf

the stuff too. So they'll go out there and try to, you know, generate these Lujan types. It's like, yeah, that's that's what I think is real. You look at the production value and what she's doing and the way that she's, you know, cultivated that. And some of that is, is the way that people do it. But the other thing is you got to have some backing. Knowing what it takes to be able to put something like together is not, it's not super easy. It's just so funny that.

I was just thinking back to when when I went forward with the the story about the the Catholics. You know, the the instinct is, is that the government is, is doing some sort of work against Christians in general in this country. I think Christians have been sensing it. So they're saying like what it is. And of course the government pushes back and says no, of course not. Like we respect freedom of religion. We, you know, we believe that there is a First Amendment right and so on.

And then you go out and you go, no, but we actually found this document showing that there's like multiple field offices involved in in investigating Catholics because they're trying to pry bar the way into Christians in general. So you do something like that. And then everybody is is compelled to pick it up. We put it out on uncoverdc.com, which is Tracy Beans his outfit, which is influential, but it's very, very small and it made it to everywhere.

You know everybody had to talk about it because you couldn't get away with it. You can't, you can't censor something when it's when it goes viral enough that people looking around going Oh my God, everything we knew is true, is true. And this is obviously true. And this is coming for people who would know. And you know the big the big piece for me is you don't post it in an emotional way. You just show it.

And then of course there's the other version, which is that people just really cool the shit posters you talk about. They're just ridiculing the mainstream. And everybody goes like, yeah, that's how we all feel. It's just it's wild how much they're spending in a fortune. You talked about 5 billion in Ukraine. They spend a fortune trying to come after, you know, essentially people that are working out of their house on their free time in between their, you know, real work.

It's amazing. Yeah, well, you know. So again for for your viewers, if you go to my Twitter timeline at Mike Ben Cyber, what I just put at the top is exactly what you're talking about. So there's a there were documents that were obtained from a DHS plan to produce videos training bystanders to take act political speech by quote middle-aged pro-life advocates and old high school friends who are quote budding conspiracy theorists.

And and I don't and just going through this to like talk about what what you're saying about the targeting of Catholics by the FBI. This is the DHS. The DHS has become the FBI is is crooked as it is and God is it crooked. It is. There is. There is the faintest little patina of a chain on it, which is that it still is only supposed to be the intelligence arm of the Justice Department

and technically can't stick. It's twisted little fangs into you until you have committed an act of suspected lawbreaking. That's actually not even true though. Like that's that's actually no, you're right, you're right, it's. Slightly worse, yeah. Counterintelligence and counterterrorism, those are ideology based. So they can say if you are potentially being targeted by a threat country, then you have an

investigation into you. And if you are espousing ideology that has a history of something that they claim to be violent, they can also open up cases those don't have to allege criminals totally. We're going to pull up your tongue here. Just a second. Too so people can see it. Go ahead.

What I'm trying to say is what DHS has moved into is covering this sort of carry, the sort of window around which the FBI has a hard time making a. This is why DHS, for example, was picked as the censorship center. It was because technically the FBI doesn't have.

It's not illegal and it's hard to come up with a counterintelligence predicate for for why why the FBI should ban somebody who says hey actually masks don't work like you can you can you can you can make arguments about things like you know maybe protests and whatnot.

But DHS was was it particularly the Sissy unit was was set up as a kind of you don't even because DHS doesn't is not even a in arm of the Justice Department. It's a standalone agency and it's it can conduct investigations whether they're suspected law breaking or not. And they've really moved into this pure sort of political you know cognitive manipulation field which is why they're partnered with Sandra van der Linden who we talked about earlier the digital MK Ultra

scientist. It's Internet censorship scientist, but you'll see here in this thread. So like if you go to to to to #3DHS Screen wrote a detailed profile for Ann a middle-aged pro-life advocate. This is the words the DHS. She is a quote suburban mom surrounded by stock footage of laundry in a minivan who has quote become increasingly more concerned about the welfare of other children. So in one scenario, Ann utters the phrase baby killer at a local bakery event signal her

opposition to abortion. DHS gives you the bystander 3 choices, calling Ann's husband, contacting Ann's preacher or stopping by Ann's Ann's house to chat to her. And then you you you role play Ann's hairdresser and what to say when Ann brings up pro-life arguments and begins ranting and

and as the hairdresser DHS. This is like a choose your own adventure story gives you the the the the adventure of calling the sheriff on her at the hairdresser's office once she begins ranting about pro-life arguments or talking to her coworkers. Don't do that. Yeah. Or or talking to her coworkers or sleuthing about what Facebook groups she belongs to online.

This is the DHS literally creating a fucking Stasi army and their own taxpayer funded psychological manipulation research groups, you know, and then they go through all these different stock profiles. You know, there's there's Courtney, an old high school friend who's become a budding conspiracy theorist who also is is a suburban mom with laundry in a minivan. And DHS targets her because she believes, quote, conspiracy theories regarding government connection to child abuse and traffic.

I don't know about you, Kyle, but there's nothing that gives me more faith and confidence that the government is not involved in, quote, child abuse and and trafficking than to have a government unit recruiting citizens to stop investigations in the potential government role there. That's that's 100%. Trust me, bro, we're not doing this. It's like go find out your neighbors that think we're doing this and make them stop being those neighbors. Let's get why don't you turn

them into us? We'll straighten them out. That's a totally reputable organization doing things like that. I agree with you. Nothing like that. That's the Streisand Effect, though. Unfortunately for them, I mean they. It used to be the case that, that you could dismiss a conspiracy theory because, you know, if this was really happening, wouldn't the government be like cracking down on you for saying it? Why are you even allowed to say this?

You know, if, you know, if the government is really so bad and they were really doing all these nasty things, don't you think they would be exerting their government coward. It's like that used to be the main argument against these things. Now there's no power argument. So bad. Yes. The argument being that if, if, why would the government let you talk about it if they were really doing it? It's like now the government's trying to stop you from talking about it. Oh, it's so bad.

And it's so it's it's such a lack of selfawareness. I continually say that about people that are in the federal sphere. There is almost no selfawareness. It's like, you know, there's the, the funny little video, the meme video. It's like a we the baddies, you know? Is there ever a moment when these guys look around and go like, look in the mirror and they go like, I think we're the evil people in this story. We might be the bad guys.

I've never seen it. I ran into this at the State Department. You know, I was, I was at, I was, I was at the cyber desk. I was running the cyber desk on the day that Donald Trump was taken off the Internet and be platformed from everything, everything. I mean, this dude was kicked from the information age back to the Stone Age. Okay, they they didn't just kill his Twitter. They killed his YouTube, his Facebook. They killed his MailChimp.

They killed his merch store. The guy couldn't even sell a fucking Trump mug and he was the president of the United States. I'm so sorry for my language. But, but, and meanwhile everybody else in the State Department is doing, you know, jumping Jack high fives and I'm like like staring out into the office like you morons, you effing morons. Have you any idea what you've done to this country's

diplomatic posture? This every argument we have made for 2 1/2 centuries about media freedom and about the and the importance of a free and open media environment is going to be, you know, it takes 2 1/2 centuries to build that that reputation. It takes 2 1/2 minutes to destroy it. And and lo and behold, that frigging day, that frigging day I get inbound from from E from EU counterparts about how they're terrified that the US, these are people who hated Trump, by the way.

Okay. These are people adjacent to the EU high commissioners and Angela Merkel in Germany. These are folks who are not friends of Donald Trump. But they all saw that and said, whoa, that's terrifying. And that's one more reason we need to engage in what was in what was called digital strategic autonomy so that Europe is no longer as as dependent on US Internet architecture and US Internet giants, because if they can do that to their own president, they they can do it to us even

more easily. And and my lieutenants were like, it was, it was so crazy because like, they were shocked when Angela Merkel came out and made that statement. When the EU High Commissioner folks came out and made that made that statement, they they were shocked. They were like, wait, but I thought they would be supportive. They're like, how dare they? We just nailed it. We're high fiving. Yeah, you can't, like, unscrew that Pandora's box like now for

time immemorial. China gets to put in its democracy summit white papers, which it literally did the year after this happened, that China is actually more of a true democracy than the United States because the Chinese government has never banned its own president from being able to speak. They they literally referenced the deplatforming of the president. China was no friend of Trump. Okay.

But this is something that is totally devastating to our diplomatic posture and and look, there's there's no illusions about this, right? I mean diplomacy is about is about carrots and sticks more than it is about principles. But these things do matter. It was.

I mean we ran into this all the time where where, you know when we were trying to try, you know I T infrastructure off of off of China's Huawei and trying to make arguments around how you know the Chinese national security state has a backdoor through through Huawei. If you would if you adopt Chinese infrastructure. Well the argument we would constantly get back in our face from counterparts was Snowden. You do too. Yeah, you're doing the same

thing. I'm going to read you something that that I this is from August 4th. Secretary Anthony Blinken wrote the following quote. The United States strongly condemns Russia's conviction of opposition leader Aleski. How do you say his last name? Navalny, Navalny. OK, on politically motivated charges, the Kremlin cannot silence the truth. Navalny should be released. My response to this quote tweet,

quote. The Russian Federation strongly condemns the United States indictment of opposition opposition leader Donald Trump. On politically motivated charges, the Justice Department cannot silence the truth. Trump's indictment shouldn't should be dismissed. And then I followed up with the United States. I grew up and would invade the United States I live in.

At least then we had the principles When I was a kid in the 80s they they would have invaded us Operation Urgent Fury, operation just cause we're all examples of we're like ah you're a Banana Republic and we may be corporately motivated, but you don't even have the patina of legitimacy. We're coming in and we would do stuff like that and you know we people can argue that we were doing influence. We were doing the empire building in our in our hemisphere and I'm sure that's correct.

But at least we thought we were the good guys and at least the American people bought that. We're not even selling that. We're the good guys at this point. And we're just blatantly doing this stuff and I think you just nailed it on the on the head. It's like they were high fiving the censorship of our sitting president in the in an agency ostensibly that reports to the president What what what's less legitimate than that? Nailed it.

You nailed it. I mean, not only would they in you know, would would the United States we used to live in invade the current United States. That's an amazing line by the way. You can take it. You can take it. Just credit me before they did the land invasion. They would sanction us into bankruptcy. That's right.

Oh, for sure. Yeah. First it would be. Starving and we would be reading old USA pamphlets as they got bombed over here by B2 or B52 that would fly over and and drop leaflet pallets. We'd all be reading about how the old USA was better and then it would invade us for sure and we would have no money and our gas stations would be empty. They would cut us off. We'd be driving like cars from 13 years ago because we wouldn't have cars for a few years. Then they would invade us for

sure, right. Right. And and again, there's like sort of two things I sort of want to build on what you just said, which is one for folks who don't know, you know, Navalny is a CIA backed Russian politician who the US State Department I think has declared like the the true and rightful president of the country despite the fact that he got less, less than 2% of the vote. He's basically the Stacey Abrams of of Russia.

No, he was literally groomed in the Yale University Jackson School which was, which is a CIA asset emerging leaders program. And so he was incubated. This is a Russian politician who who is who they tried to get to orchestrate a a youth, a nationalist, a right wing nationalist youth revolution movement to because all their liberal reforms in all the Color Revolution left wing attempts in Russia failed miserably.

If you remember back in 2011, 2012, the US State Department tried to tried to basically, you know, interfere in the 2011, 2012 Russian election by by shipping in all of these you know, sort of Pussy Riot. If you remember Pussy Riot, this was this National Endowment for Democracy funded feminist rock

band. Yeah, you know, gross, deviant, sexual like rock band who's who was deployed by the US Embassy there in order to create this like you know, like transgender like sexually deviant, you know youth movement to rise up against Vladimir Putin on the basis of his racist, sexist, patriarchal, right wing viewpoint that failed miserably and so they. Drove Russians right into the

arms of a Putin, by the way. It's like it did the exact opposite for a failure to read the the tea leaves of what Russians are about. But that's Okay, right. So they switch tack just like they always do. It's the same way that you know we support the Azov Battalion you know Nazis in Ukraine just as even though we even though right next door in in Turkey, you know, we we we support the, you know the Kurdish Antifa units.

All that matters is, is this asset effective at toppling a government and putting a US back dictator in place. And so Navalny was groomed as a as a sort of right wing you know two like 2.0 attempt and the the Office that they've done on Navalny are the most hilarious things that were first of all the the the the US government backed documentary on called Navalny just won best. Documentary at the Oscars. This year it was objectively the best. Hollywood. Hollywood.

Oh yeah, dude. The thing is the sludge fest. It's someone should do like, you know like an Honest Trailers about it. But but you know, they ran this off, by the way, to sanction Russia a couple years ago using Bellingcat, a National Endowment for Democracy. CIA cut out. I like it when. People quote Bellingcat stuff, they're like a Bellingcat said this. It's like really you. You always take your force feeding from the from the CIA. Is that what you do? Yeah.

It's top funder is the CIA okay. That's it's top funders. The National Endowment for Democracy which is literally created in 1983 as a as a as a non CIACIA cut out because of the time coming out of the Church Committee hearings. There wasn't the political capital to to do CIA dirty work directly and so Reagan created it as this as this is this civil

society based conduit. In fact in the founders I have a whole thread if you look at my Twitter for just just the phrase national democracy, you'll see all this but naval, they did this off with Navalny. That's really funny that's that's just great because it really gets this whole psyops

and geopolitics fusion. So there one of the ways that they were trying to kill the Nord Stream pipeline before they just blew it up was through was through crippling sanctions and they needed predicates to do so that accused the Russians of, you know, basically atrocities and human rights violations. So one of the ways they did this is they accused the Russians of poisoning Navalny on a on a flight that he was on several years ago and this was the glove.

Hand poison transmission, wasn't it? It was like a gloved hand. It supposedly it's worse. It's worse. It's worse. I call it. So you understand. So Novichok is said to be the most deadly Russian nerve agent you know ever created. It kills you instantly. So the so the official story I shoot you not the official story, is that Russian K GB agents broke into Alexander Navalny's hotel room the night before his flight.

They picked out the pair of underwear that he was going to that he was going to wear on the flight. They smeared Nova Chuck on the underwear and then when Nova Chuck put the underwear when when Navalny put the Nova Chuck on as underwear for the flight he then fell terribly ill and was flown to basically ACIA hospital in in in East Germany. Conveniently as as the plane was rerouted.

Of course that was the head of CIA operations in Europe for the Cold War. But but so the official story is Navalny's novichok nut sack is the reason that that Russia ended up getting getting sanctioned. They that they that they literally put rushing nerd. Now, of course it didn't kill him, just like he didn't kill the. Well, this is it's the. It's the deadliest nerve agent possible unless you get a

transdermal scrotal exposure. And if you get, if you get the transdermal taint and scrotum exposure, you actually can survive it. It's a little known fact that they actually pick out. If they had just done it with his tshirt, he'd be done. But you can't. You can't die from you can't die from from the transdermal exposure to your ball sack. That's just the key, right? Even though you're you're baking in it in hours, right?

Just marinate. You're just your grundle marination there is is extreme right? So so get this we we only know the official story because Bellingcat again whose top funder is the CIA. The CI A's the most notorious cut out. Did a prank call to a Russian KGB agent. There's a you can really look this up on YouTube.

The Bellingcat a prank call where they pretended to be another KGB agent and they get this KGB agent on the phone call to admit to this Nova Chuck nut sack plan on the phone with Navalny, with Navalny speaking in a in a like you know in a fake KGB accent to to tease this information out of. This this the best files flag that's ever been done. They were able to get him on record like and here looks like. Everybody falls for the false flag.

Oh, you're a KGB officer too. Let me tell you stories about things that I did with the KGB. I've never met you. I'm not going to validate. But you anything, it's so bad. Think how KG, you and I are on Twitter. Think about how KG, you and I are on Twitter. If someone reached out and sends us a message like, hey, I worked for the government, I got this thing to tell you. Hard pass, bro. You think that the KGB guy was just like Oh yeah, for sure like you're in the KGB.

Well we're all Bros then let's just let's just talk shop. Let's talk about the the Nutcuck sack poisoning. And it's so scripted, it's hilarious. Like even at the start of the dialogue, the guys like, well, you know, this is a little strange. You're not calling me on a secured line? And he's like, no, no, it's cool, It's cool. Let's just talk, OK? No problem.

Let's. Continue on with this yeah let me let me confess the sanctions predicate for for this and so so you know and of course that that's like it goes it's it's reported completely uncritically every single like Mockingbird media asset amplifies it wins best it best documentary of the year at the Oscars. Which I'm gonna let's let's just use that to talk to about Rob Reiner, which I thought was a really fun. A fun thing. You were talking about being able to sense it coming out of

these guys. Skin talk, Rob Reiner. Talk about the meathead connection. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, first on the side, so Rob Reiner is this, you know, sort of big Hollywood producer. Literally big, You know, you see, literally big. But you know, so I first, I never really paid much attention to it.

But, you know, he was sort of trending because he made this, you know, this outrageous statement on Twitter that in order to, you know, the only way to defend democracy is, you know, with Trump like dies in prison and there's no, like third party candidates. I mean it's basically like when the CIA goes and like rigs an election and say like Ukraine it this is like this is the blueprint. You lock up the opposition political candidates and you ban

opposition political parties. I mean, Rob Reiner was just calling for exactly what we've now done in like a dozen countries through the State Department and CIA over the past several years. And, you know, I I was looking at this tweet and everyone's talking about it, you know, from sort of the angle of, oh, you know, these Hollywood liberals, they're so out of touch. They're so tone deaf. They're so hyperbolic. There's such silly gooses. I'm looking at this. I'm like this doesn't look

right. There's a, there's a speak, there's a CIA speak that you know it when you're sort of are in this long enough you you identify, which is I think if you just show me some space to explain this. There's such a thing as mania, you know, like the bipolar personality, the, you know, they they have their highs and their lows. They have the sort of delusions of grandeur and they have their moments of sort of, you know, latonic low energy, you know, sort of depression.

When people are in a mania, they tend to focus, for the most part on things with high primal proximity, money, sex squad goals. You know what the crew is doing. You know, things that have high dopaminergic rewards, that's what. That's what Normal people who are on drugs or normal people who are bipolar, normal people who I have, what I call the the cocaine energy display. There is a there is a sort of a addiction, a kind of lexicon for

State Department pablum. You know, there's a, there's a, there's a State Department speak which involves all these sort of highfalutin jargon terms around democracy and its substructures when people are on cocaine, when people are having a mandified. Pole, take a breath. We gotta take a breath. There's a there's a specific language that people use when they are in government and they are pushing a government agenda about it. And then you also pivoted

directly to to cocaine. Just keep going. I just wanted to pause, let people digest that. Yeah, well, look, when people are in the throes of a manic episode where are on a hard stimulant drug like that. The thing is extremely unnatural. To spend that high reciting basic democracy esoterica with with the with the downer pablum of the State Department press release. That's so like, I can't begin to describe how unnatural like that that that is.

Like imagine Jimi Hendrix all like you know at the at the peak of a sort of heroin induced flow state as he's riffing on a guitar and he's for euphoria so coming up and and like but his his his lyrics like but and then he just he stops the solo and just does this like. He starts telling you about the life insurance and about how you really need to.

You need to hedge. You need to hedge some of the dangers in the world with a little bit of money invested in a possible, you know, a possible insurance policy. Normal people don't do that right. Normal people don't pivot from people. They don't. They don't mix fun and whatever horrible crap the the the the government wants you to mouth.

Yeah, I agree. I'm with you on track and I just think the way people are spitting out their coffee, watching the live chat here, listening go like this is so. It's, I mean, this is the analytics that you have to do. When you look at the stuff, it's like, what the Hell's happening here? Manic energy plus government talking points equals meathead. CIA cut out what's The thing is like is is even normal like hardcore left wing progressive zealots don't do that like they have.

Like they will sometimes talk those talking points, but usually not quite so concisely and they won't do. Like it's it's it reads different, you know. So again, this is not even a right wing, left wing thing. This is just a CIA thing or a State Department attach a thing. And so I looked at this and I was like that that don't look right. And so it was like within 3 seconds I, you know, I started looking into Rob Reiner's background. So first of all, I just told him

a little bit. I just put in his reply without knowing anything in advance other than that he was audio producer. I just put what is your relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency? And then And then to to, you know, because I was like looking for a receipt at that point to like reply to myself in the comments. I was like, yeah, what is this relationship? And like within 3 seconds, I find that this dude literally headed up a CIA All Star squad.

It's now technically it's called Committee to Investigate Russia. But in the center of the infographic is Donald Trump and Paul Manafort. Putin's like way out to the side now in this committee. He so he is the founder, director and organizer of this committee who is on his board of advisors is made-up of there's there's there's eight board of eight people on the board of advisors, 8 to 10.

Four of them. Four of them are #1 heads, chiefs of the Central Intelligence Agency, Who are his personal advisors inside of the organization. John Brennan, Michael Morell, Leon Panetta, and I forget who the 4th is, I'll, I'll pull it up. Yeah, no. But what we can say is that is totally organic. Everybody probably has a couple of CIA, you know, directors whispering in their ear if they have a certain profile, right. I mean, Michael B Hain.

There's Michael B Hain, yeah. So, yeah, Mike, yeah. And Michael B Hain again was not just the head of the CIA, he was also the head of the NSA and a former and a four-star general. And before that he was in the US Air Force Intelligence Corps. The exact thing that we just talked about is the lead into this, this segment. So that's. This is when the audience draws and goes. Yeah, no big deal. That's fine.

That's all fine here. And Leon Panetta was the head, Yeah, Leon Panetta was the number one head of the CIA, the number one head of the Defense Department. And he was the White House chief of staff for Obama. The chief of staff, by the way, is the gatekeeper who is, you know, is often more powerful than the present himself.

So, you know, and then the other people on this board are J Johnson, the DH, Obama's DHS secretary, who basically created the CIA censorship architecture with the predicate to Sosa, Clint Watts, the the former U.S. Army counterinsurgency and FBI special agent. Basically everybody on his Advisory Board, everybody in his ear, has a high level above top secret national security clearance with literally 4 #1

CIA directors. So I made the joke that, you know, imagine that, you know you get invited to Rob Reiner's Malibu pool party thinking that you made it in Hollywood and you find yourself the only dude in the hot tub without a top secret national security clearance. That's it. What is a little what is What is Rob Reiner A a a little old Hollywood producer doing with 4CIA directors as his personal

advisors? What skill set does Rob Reiner bring to the investigation that four CIA directors are taking times out their day to help Rob Reiner, the Hollywood producer, accomplish? Everybody needs a mental Midget and preferably overweight. That can be an empty vessel. He's a big empty vessel. He's got lots of room to fill things up and they fill him up and then they just squeeze him and he spits out. You know, manic CIA talking points. It's fantastic.

What's more fun than having, like a vacuous former actor and a producer and someone that doesn't, that basically just reads lines that somebody else writes for a living with with legitimately bizarre passion? It's so good, It's so good. You couldn't script this, it turns out. But it's also really funny and sad to watch. Because the script, the script of his own movie and what it is, is every intelligence service needs a needs a media conduit.

Yes, that's it. They all need somebody to get it out there. They need to launder the information somehow. Mike, before we make everybody go and either start packing food up in their cave and stacking ammunition in magazines. You got any? You got any hope for anybody here? From what you're seeing here, you got any course of actions that people can engage in? I'm okay with the answer is no. But if there is any, let's, let's share it.

Well, the number one thing you can do is talk about this stuff. Tell your friends. Tell your family. Tell people you know who you can. You can trust and nudge if you will because you know it's it's hard to overstate the power of simply talking about things, sometimes talking sometimes. There's no clear set of actions that even sort of present themselves as opportunities.

That you can really predict in advance until it's on the tip of everyone's tongue, because everyone's talking about it. And then suddenly a million different things break open. Now, you know, what I will say is that Trump is doing far better in the polls right now than he was doing in 2020. At the same time, the regime has ramped up tactics like, you know, it may be the prosecutors who determine this, this election rather than the polls. And if that's the case, you know

this, this country. Well, everything we've ever known about this country is going to fly out the window. I mean it's not even clear that there's going to be an election at this point. I think the trial date is trying to be set for the this Fanny Willis thing for October 23rd is like like 10 days before the 2024 election. They're going to have a a trial where he's facing 1000 years.

But the issue, but you know, look, this is not the first time that somebody has gone to prison and then rose back to power. I mean, we literally just saw this in Israel with with Netanyahu. Having being indicted on on criminal corruption charges and then a year and a half later he's president again. This is you can make the argument that you know without getting into specifics or weighing into it too deeply, but you can make the argument that this happened to Gandhi and to Mandela.

There's a there's a lot of of of highly persecuted martyr movements that just need to keep the faith. And stand the test of time, because it's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better. But the more it's on the tip of everyone's tongues, the better positioned you are for a lucky break. And basically, that's what we need. Now I'll tell you something that's kind of interesting to me.

I haven't heard anybody float this out, but you mentioned the chief of staff being somebody that's almost the chief of staff tends to be like kind of a policy nerd, like a wonk that really knows like nuts and bolts Guy gets things done, guy or girl, I guess. Could be, doesn't make a difference. But but not somebody that needs to be the public face of the franchise. And then you've got the, you know, you've got the chief executive is the person that everybody has to love and and

get behind. But a lot of the great ideas come from from behind. It'd be really interesting because I feel like Ron DeSantis and I know these, he's much maligned for running for president. I think he's kind of out of his depth in a lot of it for personality wise. But when it comes to policy

stuff, he seems pretty good. It'd be interesting to see an alignment there bringing him on as a potential chief of staff type guy that keeps the keeps the guardrails up and then you let just the wild bull that is Trump just upset people. I I, I kind of don't care either way on any of the stuff. It just like it doesn't get me emotionally. I just want to see in an election like 80 election would be good and it's not heavily weighed in on it.

It seems like you have the same instincts I do that it's not even guaranteed at this point. We're literally walking on the playbook of places where they lock up the opposition, they they outlaw the the other parties and then then they just say this is your choice, vote for the one guy that we say you can vote for. And man, scary to hear other people that you and I haven't compared notes on that, but we're all here in the same thing and feeling the same thing, I

think. Well, we gave over $100 billion to Ukraine this year because their quote model democracy and and Ukraine banned elections. If if, if we're sort of, you know, following the blueprint, I mean literally Ukraine is banned. Not just opposition political parties, not just opposition media, not just opposition religions. They've now banned the entire election process itself and this is what we are being Clockworked Orange as the like model. State of democracy for the US to

follow. In fact, the US, the Samantha Power the USA had recently complained that Ukrainians are much more avant-garde about about digital surveillance state technologies like something called their DIA app, and that U.S. citizens are not yet ready for but should be. So look, I mean, everything's on the table. We're in for a wild ride. What I would say is like, you know, keep, keep your chin up, put your family first.

Always hold this in your heart and where you can, you know, try, try to maintain a little bit of a sense of humor about these things because we're witnessing, we're witnessing history and if we look at all the tale, it's going to be out of a fucking story. So true.

I was just thinking about how we are giving money to Ukraine to do what they're doing so they could give it back to Sam Bakeman Freed. And if he hadn't gotten caught that they would have been able to keep laundering our money back into the Democrat political process. Amazing stuff. What What a great time to be alive. Interesting times for sure. Mike, I I told somebody in the chat, and I think it's true.

If I could just get you and me in a bunker somewhere we could just do gorilla broadcasts one we would have a ton of fun doing it because you're one of my favorite guys to talk to. You're you're so sharp and and quick with it and like you said, even though we are looking at some of the darkest topics you have the same sense of humor that I that I kind of enjoy. So thanks for being with me this morning. Thanks for dialing in. I'm glad we were able to fix our

text stuff. Thanks for hanging out and I know you're going to be on Larry O'Connor. What time you on Larry Show? 12/10/12 ten so and a little less an hour, but yeah, no thanks. Thanks a lot man. Let's run it back soon. Yeah, I look forward to it. We'll do it again folks. You can follow Mike at the Foundation for freedomonline.com. That's spelled out all the way Foundation for freedomonline.com, all those

words in one place. Or you could just follow him on Twitter and you can link through all of his stuff. His Twitter account is Mike, Mike Benz, like Mercedes-Benz, Benz Cyber. The word Cyber. Mike Benz Cyber. At Mike Benz Cyber. Mike, you are the man. I will talk to you very soon.

And I want to say thanks to all our guests who stuck around with us. We are streaming here live from Liberty Hill, TX. Sometimes a little challenge on the live show starts at 9:30 Eastern Time, 8:30 here in Texas, America. And you guys are the best. You really are. You've been a great chat group. I've been able to kind of follow along as you received some of the stuff that we're talking about. We talked a bunch of topics today. I think they're all going to be useful.

Share that information with your friends and family in ways they can digest. Show them the movie Mirage Men, It's on. I think it's on Netflix. It's it's generally free. It'll show you that government sort of psyops the the information war has been going on a long time in different ways, and your distrust of the government should be high. I talked about it yesterday at a Twitter space. When you have people who work for the government that distrust the government, those are the

right people. When you've got people that are working for people like Mike Benz and they are high fiving for the platforming, the sitting president, we have a serious problem. And ladies and gentlemen, we have that serious problem. It is legit and it is real. It is out there. Thanks to all of you for watching. Thanks to those who have been leaving our five star view. Let's go ahead and read one today from Old Goat Woman. What a great title that is.

Old Goat Woman entitled one of Kyle's best episodes or best interviews rather. Episode 129 Inside the Gulag 5 stars. Difficult to hear, but everyone should listen. How low our justice, How low our justice has become. So biased. There it is. These are good men that the DOJ has chosen to make criminals. Your sense of humor that appears at times crack me up at the time you zoned out with Tracy Beans was hilarious. That's true. I did talk to Tracy and I was doing something else.

Sometimes when women's talk to me and and I'm just hearing the same thing I just tune out that's that's a major character flaw for me. Last but a little bit she ends with thank you for providing a podcast they never miss old good woman you're the best. Thanks for sharing all that stuff Thanks for calling me out. I actually just subscribed to Tracy Beans on Twitter so I'm following her there and I'm also paying her subscription to be part of her spaces.

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