Double Trouble: Aaron Stevenson and Tara Rodas

Prepare to hear the truth from a real whistleblower. An American Patriot, here's civil liberties enthusiastic. Second Amendment Defender and indefinitely suspended. FBI agent. Kyle serif. Hello my friends and welcome to the Kyle Serafin show. This is going to be our Monday, long-form interview and I have a special first time double guest interview.

These two, I met when I was down in Phoenix at the project, Veritas event, the American America Fest, I guess it's called we got To spend some time together. And their story is very compelling. I think you're going to find it. Highly interesting, I'm going to give a quick intro and then we'll bring them on the show here. So I've got Tara Rodas, she's a 20-year civil servant with the federal service, which is a lot further than I made it and it's probably as far as fed Phil and

I combined. She's been working in training and professional development for a number of years and she has a master's degree and education. Another one in biblical theology, which I'm sure played into some of the ways that she sees the world and the way she reacts she does. And she also speaks Spanish, which Why she volunteered for the story that you're going to hear here. And just second, I've got errands Stevenson as well. Who was a Marine Corps veteran. We bring a lot of Marines on.

I love marines that are my favorite people, eight years. The United States Marine Corps, 10 years with the Department of Homeland Security. We've talked about how Homeland Security is such a big animal. He's going to tell you a little bit about how he worked over there. Worked with the Customs and Border Patrol CBP and USCIS. He recently just was fired from his Force telework position,

which I totally represent. As a indefinitely suspended guy, he got a little different term so every agency does it differently when they kick you out the door, but we've got a lot of common history there. So I'm gonna start with Terror if you want to jump on here. Thanks so much for joining us. Aaron. Thank you as well. Let's, let's get into it. Like, tell me where you grew up and how you got to be sitting here in this situation, as a

federal whistleblower. Okay, well, I actually grew up in Georgia. So I was born at Fort Benning. My dad was Army and then moved to Virginia. So lived here, almost all my life, went to James Madison University and actually, they are is where I had the opportunity to intern for a congressman and a senator, and sort of thought. Wow, I could make a difference in the world and so I joined Federal service later a little bit later after that and I volunteered, I'm sitting Here.

Only because I volunteered in 2021 when the B Administration asks for help with the humanitarian crisis on the border and that was one of help. Yeah, that was one of those emails that went out like government-wide where they were looking for anybody. Like literally anybody like, put your hand up in the air and we will pick you for this TDY to go help out with all the the influx of migrants correct.

Yes. Yeah. So I thought this was a family reunification program and so I raised my hand and I said you know I would love to go help the kids and so that's how I am sitting here today. I love it. Now I'm going to go back one step because I think it's interesting people who don't know anything about Virginia, don't realize you said James Madison University, correct. All of the Virginia schools are not called University of Virginia fill in the blank.

They're all named after founding fathers correct. Yes. So, so the circuit is very different, like, a lot of people would be like, oh, I went to University of Texas at Austin. I went to University of Texas in Dallas. I went to University of Texas in El Paso, whatever it may be, and Virginia has decided for whatever like I used to live next to George Mason. And I was like, I don't know what that means.

They're all part of the Virginia school system and it's the only state that ever seen that does that? Yes, my sister graduated from George Mason. Yeah, I had investigations into professors there. No big deal. Oh, interesting. They're Shady people at every school right now. That's the Chinese for you though. All right, so we're going to get into our the story and how you guys worked together or how your stories relate to each other. Aaron kind of give me the backstory.

I know you were in the Marine Corps, tell us what you did and maybe where you grew up and why you joined the Marines, right out of high school. Like, why are you such a genius? So I am from Google Annoying, its small town, south suburbs of Chicago. And I live there and also knowing the Mobile County just, you know, quite the website.

And I joined the Marine Corps because I knew who I want to be in the service, always, I was like, you know, the Army over the Army. And then, you know, one day, it's not somebody who's like your the Marine Corps and I know ideas like no, no, what is that? So, next day called the corridor, get that I went down there and we're kind of, go through the cards, like, you know, what you want to join brightest service adventure and I'm kind of like, I am Young.

Yeah, and then the gun he walks in and he just started yelling at me. He's like you gonna be a marine or what and I was like yeah my that that clicked in me that I've no idea what it was, but it just it was something the why I signed up I went to boot camp July of 2001. Well then that years, I mean next nine years. Basically it was just kind of its kind of all over the place. Although kanawa I went to Iraq three times. I was mental gai and know. I'd do it again.

Make the best friends in the world. A lot of good. And that was that, but I joined the fellow service because I wanted to, you know, continue serving country. So, I try to become fed takes a while so I contracted for a bit. And I did that with natural ground, salt and center and the DIA, which I've gotta stand three times, learn that - that whole program of Biometrics and forensics, and then I finally got a job offer for DHS. So, I took it went to DC area and it was do that for about,

you know, Kate half years. No. Sorry, 10 years. Yeah, that years on now, for those who are listening to our audio podcast, you have some hair that is probably out of regs. Would your recruiting gunny have lost his mind if you'd walked into that Recruiters Office with that ponytail? Yeah, definitely. I'm out, I was trying to I was wearing like a polo and khakis like I was nervous like a job interview, right? And I still wasn't like enough her. I'm basically like if you want.

Yeah you want you need to be yelled at what I so I enlisted I was 27 and I went in there and I talk to a recruiter and the first thing I said he spoke to me in Broken English because he was a little Filipino guy. Super nice. Nice man. But he I asked him a question and he said he looked at me like I had just, you know, giving him the Rosetta Stone and he had no idea what to do with it. And I said, I need to speak to someone who's smarter than you.

And he was like, yes. And then he went back and he grabbed a master sergeant. And this little guy came out this little Irish powerlifter whose last name was McCool. And he was like, what do you need? I was like you're my guy. So I ended up working with whoever the top recruiter wasn't that little silly office but yeah, you need a pie was I was old enough that I was like look.

Is the sale. You know, we're all selling something and I'm not prepared for a dumb person to try to sell me on the on the military service. All right, so let's dig in to your disclosure, give me the broad overview Terror, if you'll give me the broad overview of your allegation. And then we're going to get into the meat and potatoes of what those things look like. Because I know you guys saw basically the same thing from very, very different angles, right?

Yeah, yeah, we did. So again, when I answered the call, the humanitarian call. I believed that this was a family reunification program. I had no idea whatsoever that one child had ever been trafficked through, hhs's unaccompanied children program. So we call it the, you see program. And so I, you know, when I volunteered, I thought it was going to be just talking to kids and helping them feel. Comfortable and safe after their long journey and maybe doing English and playing games.

And I did that, you know, in the beginning and whatever they needed I would do. So if they needed a child to go to Medical, I would escort them there. If they needed a child to go to their case manager, I would have scored them there and when the call came out that they needed help in case management. I any time, I raise my hand, I

said sure, I'll help with that. I had escorted the kids over there before and it was just Hopefully I would say about 20 days working in case management when we discovered the first instance of what I called, a suspicious sponsor. And I learned after that case and then the next case, where there were kids going to the same address from multiple sites around the country, then I learned that sponsors sponsored multiple kids and then I learned.

There's a thing called a category 3 sponsor with which Means the child doesn't even know or not related to this person. I thought, what in the world is going on here but what really changed the tide was when I saw Aaron's disclosure on Project Veritas that transnational, criminal organizations were sponsoring these kids and that it was coordinated and they were high level actors, criminal actors and I discovered that and that was what ultimately got me

kicked off the site. So I volunteered to help. Was disclosing that know people were trafficking the children but when I said well not only are people and Bad actors trafficking these kids, but they're high-level criminal actors involved in transnational criminal organizations that was it, and it took them less than three weeks to get me off. The case, accused me of wrongdoing, with investigation, I was actually walked off the site by security and my badge

was taken. One of the things you told me when it's not, A fun experience? No, I'm sure. One of the things you told me when we first met was that the none of the people that were volunteered and in the role that you were in were 1811 series, my old job code? What Phil used to do the criminal investigators, who did you say that they were filtering out? People that volunteer that were criminal investigators?

So I was told by someone at HHS office of Inspector General, that they were not allowed to volunteer for the mission. So we're talking about people who have responsibility for moving children. 22 homes and distributing them all around the country with no law enforcement experience, our background check team. I mean, these were just regular people. They were contractors, some of these were young kids. It was their first job they were not actually performing background checks at all.

So this is stunning. It's stunning. Yeah, the way the program is set up. There was no Investigators there. Yeah, it sounds like they designed it to to have minimal oversight so this is kind of an interesting just an analogy.

I want you guys to put this in your heads but what I just found out is that the January 6th investigations that are happening out of Washington field office have been done historically so far by people rotating in from the FBI out of the field and you have, you know various degrees of experience that are doing it. They're now moving 30 fresh agents that are all on probation with no previous experience because it's the government is looking to find.

Yes people It sounds like you ran into one of those things. I want to Pivot over to Erin story because if that's what got you moving Erin, you were working in a very different space. You weren't dealing with the kids directly, but you were dealing with the intelligence in the research end of it. Kind of walk people through what your job was and then why it was your job to see what you saw. Austal USA is where I was working at. We were writing my team. We would do like more.

We call this strategic analysis, looking at long-term trends problems. Whatever is so we kind of have like, you know, a bit of room to look at problems and say, like, what's going on here now? Because of this though, I was also when they constructed with the government, the whole government constructed, the talk watch list or the transnational organized crime. Watch list. I held represent usas at DNS to like, see how it's being developed. Left, how would interact with

our operations? Like what we would do with the information. So from the very GetGo, I was on the like program and I was, you know, obviously familiar with it. Very intimate knew. I worked everything else. And this is back in my probably late 2015. Early 2016 is the one that seems kicking off so fast forward 2.21 and I'm still getting every single notification. So notification is When anybody

in the tokoloshe list. Like basically does something give this one was just for one second, give some examples of transnational. National organized crime organizations, so people can get a concept of what we say. Talk what that means and like what are these groups? So these are the easiest ones to understand, at least for us because we talk about some options like MS-13 18th Street gang, Pious cartel. These organizations. There are obviously more. There are involved in organized

crime group. You have South American theft groups, give other Eastern European crime entities. So basically organizations International that you crime across our border. That's when I see transnational, criminal and disorder, okay? And so, for people's historical context of a yeah, I'm going to get people kind of historical context if you go back far. Far, enough you deal with things, like the mafia, La Cosa Nostra, things like that and

then more modern. Now, we're seeing the things that are closer to us which is cartel and or gangs from Latin America or Central America that are kind of bringing things out. So, all right, so carry on, I just want people to have a concept of these groups that were talking about. We're not talking about unorganized or individual 1, Z 2 Z's, these are like professional organizations that have serious infrastructure and capabilities and they are moving across

National borders as well. Whenever like somebody with an alien that watch list or a criminal not watch list, they get triggered by a number of ways. If they were pulled over by police officer, if they were, you know, enter through a Port of Entry or if they were to sit with USDA is and do an immigration benefit, we would see those may come in basically live feed and one day I begin these things in 2016. So I've seen the pattern, I see

how it develops. I have allowed dog because you hear that, and In 2021. It was the thing was February. I saw one to come in and I didn't recognize what it didn't stay. Like to know law enforcement account. I didn't say prison isn't arrest, your prisoner release, they said, six USC, 279, USC sponsor. I was like, what is that? So I copy paste. It looked up Google. And it says this, you know, this program in like was I mean, is this guy kid knows the date of birth?

No it's got like 23 years. My dad was like. That makes no sense. So, okay, whatever. So about three, four weeks, Another one, another guy, this is weird. So I put it in the sand. You know, my entire search history of all notifications we've ever had and those are the only two so it was like a whole new thing. I was like this is kind of strange that and then for a newer there's a third one and then it starts. I start seeing one about every three to four weeks once coming in.

So I've course are looking into these guys. I'm like, I well made maybe these are criminals that are going to the government to maybe find a child. That doesn't make sense, but I'll look it up didn't have kids, okay? Maybe there's extended family, maybe there's some kind of record showing that know, the guy. Well, this is make sense at all. Then we saw a Romanian guy coming in. So I know it's not just like, you know, cartels and Southern stuff. It's like, no, no, this isn't a

national thing. And this work is hard to, or inside this work is Port understand. This watch list was capped at 40,000, that's a very, very small number about every month. The illegal entries are about almost a quarter million. So sorry, it's knows about me about a quarter million is a much bigger volume of people. Cross that are criminals that are just not watching stood because the way this is constructed and I just looking at him like this is the bigger problem than you realize.

So I looked around and I, you know, talk some analysts I, you know, to friends and see is to talk to friends and CBT and Ice, you know. Hey, are you guys writing on this? So you guys collecting on this. Like there's got to be something in this thing, right? And no one had any thing I'm going to do a Jay and I knew got FBI and I had people out my, hey, guys, what's going on? And no one had anything written on this thing and then the collection, Firemen got released by dangerous Ina.

That's intelligence analysis. It's the component of the total Community from DHS and the entire function primer is on there, an organized gang, activity, and sex trafficking start tracking as a whole. As I mentioned, I was just like, okay, so I so, of course, no one's writing on this. No one's looking at this thing. No one's collecting the information to the little, you know, do some analysis, develop

some whatever. And then like mystery products to be fair, is that, that would be me like, That wouldn't surprise people if it's a new and emerging threat, that there wouldn't be a big, you know, database on it, that there wouldn't be a lot of intelligence that had already been gathered, correct? I mean, that's, that's how we start things, Somebody's gotta identify pack.

Yes, but if it's new activity, you definitely have a problem is, it's mentioned in always in every single on the counter when it talks about these gang. Yeah, MS-13 involved in sex trafficking casing strings. Are they are involved in sex trafficking so we know these groups do these things. But it's like, okay, now we're seeing it through a new mechanism. So why are they using this mechanism done and no? Nothing at all, you know, tried

talking about it to work. Try, bring things up and it was just like, no, this is not, this is not as sorry as a guy, fine. So, then, you know, No, every child project House show, what's going on and then they were like, yeah, this looks pretty bad. Okay, knows that. Now, when you were, you do you guys get whistleblower training?

The way that the FBI does, as far as like how to do it, what you what you're supposed to do are you know the approved routes and so on and and if so what does it look like on your end? Because I've gotten those trainings for years but I don't know, everyone does. They're okay. So yeah, I mean we have the standard whistleblower training.

You know, make sure that you go through protected Pathways stuff like that, but when you're actually really in the middle of it and you've never done that before and having no 1811 background experienced, it was challenging. I'm just very fortunate that I had come from the IG Community,

right? So I was reaching out to people who were Helping me, you know, they helped me out along the way and got me through, you know, to the right to the right people to talk to. So yeah, it's funny because a lot of I think a lot of people who work in the federal government know that there is a thing. It's just a nebulous concept and there's no it's not like the mechanics of it are ever discussed.

So there's a lot of people that are actually legally considered to be whistleblowers if they bring it up inside their chain of command, like this is a problem that they are whistleblowers like that's that's part of the the appropriate. Chain as described by federal law and yet, none of that stuff is ever a distributed to you. Unless they come after you would retaliate and fire you or do the other things they end up doing. So most people have no clue.

They are, in fact, whistleblowers in Aaron, when we talk the other night you would have qualified under all the things that you talked about, bringing it up to your your management structure. And the only thing that we keep finding out is that government agencies tend to protect themselves and their own reputations because that's where their budgets are tied. They don't really care about problems. They care about not problems,

they care about not my problem. More than anything else, which I think you both experienced. Yeah II thought about going to know IG just like I knew they existed much like an me by the throat, you know, Spirit the wall, they'll know what to do and I also know that is government since like a long time there and then in the end they're going to tell me what I told them and nothing's going to happen in the meantime.

This is this is where really kind of bizarre part on you children are being such Rapids. Now just like you know what I just it is this is crossing a line guys and that was that was enough for me. Yeah.

There is something about the immediacy that if you go into the government channels, it, you know, for example, the weaponization committee which is being impaneled right now under the current Congress, they've said that they're going to get a report on what the FBI has been doing wrong in 2025. Meanwhile my family has been without a job for like a year and as you probably guys know what once you've been kicked out

of there, you know. Thanks for looking into it for two years but we're talking about hundreds, maybe thousands and maybe worse children being exploited. That's not an acceptable answer, which is why People like us and up going public with things when maybe that's not the approved Channel but Humanity sort of dictates that we do it the right way. So Tara you heard about the project, Veritas release that Erin was involved in. Did that did that make you aware of what you were seeing or did

it? Confirm or how did that move? You spur you into action? So it made me aware. So I think I would say, I went through the stages of grief about 20 times, you know, while I was there. So, first he is seeing the suspicious sponsor activity seeing these red flags being like, why are multiple kids going to the same address? Why are there like a few square miles in Houston Texas where there's over 300 unaccompanied children? What?

What's up with that? Is it that we have people who are sponsoring multiple children, I mean, how is this happening? And so someone then sent me the Senate report all the way back from 2016 and I was just beyond horrified to know that there were trafficking rings in in the United States that were trafficking these kids. And that was not new. New Goes to the federal government and it was not news to HHS and so I was stunned at. That's all I can say just absolutely horrified.

And then as I read through, the Senate report realizing that all the deficiencies that the committee found then are worse now because all of their rules have been relaxed. So HHS put out field guidance stating that well we want to try to fast-track things so you don't Have to ask or do background checks on who may be living in the house. You don't actually have to do home studies.

There's all these rules that they relaxed, and I think people don't understand that hundreds of thousands of children have crossed the border and come into the care of the federal government and the federal government with tax dollars, 10 billion. It's a matter of fact in the last two years has loaned, those children all around the country. Entry and these children HHS says our missing and so this this just doesn't make any sense.

So I was just horrified. So when I saw the video that Aaron put up on Project Veritas well that James O'Keefe right? Put up on Project. Veritas I thought if this is happening then my whole world view has just you know exploded it opened your eyes to what was actually happening there. Yeah. Yeah. And so it only took less than two weeks after seeing Aaron's video and I'd circulated around, you know, the site that we

found. Yeah, we found the first case and it was confirmed without a doubt. She's self disclosed she sent in her adjudication, paperwork 24 pages, she had served time in El Salvador for her role in the gang and was simultaneously sponsoring two kids one from Fort Bliss and one from one From our site. And it was just stunning to me stunning to me, and I still can't get over it. That people know about it that they've known about it for years and last week, you know, you

probably saw that. 100, migrant children with no less than 100 were found working in slaughterhouses throughout the United States. Some middle schoolers and people wonder how this is happening, you know, we keep seeing these bust. Child trafficking, labor trafficking, and sex trafficking and people like how is this happening? I'm like well your federal dollars at work 10 billion dollars in two years to bring these children in and distribute them around the country to a lot

of serious, Bad actors. Now when you when you understood what was going on there, just and I'll come right to you. But Tara did how was that received when you were sharing that video around when you're showing? What Aaron has disclosed from the intelligence side of things, these are the hard documents saying, look, we're now tracking the not the child's side of it, but the receiving side of the children, what did people at DHS?

Are at at these facilities say rather HHS So remember, these are federal volunteers like me, right? No law enforcement background people in the community, they're in Pomona, California, because I was at the Pomona Fairplex, emergency intake sight. I'm not ashamed to say, we cried a lot of Tears. Okay, so, a lot of times, I felt like a therapist to people because of the situations that they were seeing and finding out about what was happening with the kids. So it was a very sad sobering

moment. Moment to realize these These are children and they are in crisis situations and what, you know, what could we, what could we do? So, we were passing everything forward, we learned how to pass things through to office of trafficking in persons like, to shout out to some great people who from USCIS who helped us get, you know, trained up on. Hey, how do you, how do you identify this? How do you write it up there?

Specific things you need to include You know, to ensure that it's trafficking and not just smuggling. So there has to be Force, fraud or coercion and so we had to make sure that when we were doing the interviews, we were finding out those things to put in the reports. So that, these kids could hopefully go to long-term care and not to trafficker. Okay? Erin, you were going to say So two things I'll feel.

So those encounters that guy that I share with Veritas, which is the intelligence part, which helped you kind of drive out things. Those invitations, don't go any of them to a chest and I checked in every single one of those. My can every single two lines, it was everything that was on there. I'm looking at every domain, not one was a chest. The other part was because Terry Roberts did someone, I was asked this question. Those hundred kids that got you know thankfully you know rescued

from the trafficking operation. Kyle. Do you know what happens to those kids? They get put back in the system. I imagine the right back into it and then HHS once we bring them back into care, HHS then looks for a new sponsor and that and that sponsor may be the exact same thing. They just got rescued from Now the good thing is though, is that all Terry you did it? Stay that there was at least one kid. You guys found that like oh yeah this is trafficking and they did

get that. What's up letter? They didn't get pulled out of a sponsor. Right? Yeah and that's why I said yeah. There were several children who actually did get what's called a interim assistance letter, meaning that office of traffic trafficking in persons, Also suspected that this is, this child has been a victim of trafficking.

And then those children went to long-term care, which is a wonderful outcome for the children and why is nobody going after the sponsor, who was attempting to get them, right? So like we know right now, they're our sponsors who the children we believe are being traffic. But why isn't anyone going after any of the sponsor CHS doesn't Want anyone looking into the background of their sponsors? And this is, this is the problem, this is the problem.

There's lack of transparency and HHS has lost control of the program. That's the bottom line, they lost control and they don't want to admit it and that's if they would just come clean, share the data. Then we could, we could recover these kids and they know that. Yeah, they would have to do something that government agencies don't do, which is admit wrongdoing, or a failure of a program and then say, how do we take steps to fix this? It's much easier to try and ignore it.

And act like it didn't happen. That seems like the standard government move. I think we've all experienced it in different departments so it is there a law enforcement capability within HHS that would actually have responsibility? Or would that fall back on FBI you know CBP some entity and DHS HSI, something like that. Where would this fall? If there was a law enforcement action to be taken? I don't know. Who knows either of you. Yeah. So I'll start and then I'll let

Aaron follow-up. So HHS office of Inspector, General, I mean they have great agents who would be all over this if they had access to the information they wouldn't go after the kids per se. I mean they wouldn't be going after the traffickers. Yes, they could easily be going after the traffickers. Okay, they could. And they do kick endorse and and recover children, they do that as well. Okay, there are some amazing people in the office of Inspector General for HHS.

The problem is the agency, does not want anyone looking at their sponsors and I'm not quite sure how they get around this, how they're able to Have such lack of oversight and transparency. So many of the sponsors are not US citizens and they are not permanent residents. Most have no legal presence. So they are they claim, you know, they don't want anyone going after the sponsors hence they just hide it all the data.

Whoa, okay, so they're not lprs there, they're not green card holders, they have no legal status in this country and yet we're more than happy to go send children to go be with them. And and then you're saying and they're obviously not citizens either. So these people are illegally in this country, taking children who have come across probably in

some illegal situation. They were not coming across illegally otherwise they would have a family or a landing pad and we were literally feeding this dirty with undocumented who knows where the heck they're going children. So okay, I'm going to, I'm going to pick something off you guys because this is something I saw when we worked MS-13 type operations in where we at in Maryland for the most part.

Let's say so you talked about a few square miles of where you were seeing all the trafficking happen, what we would see is they were enclaves of take your, take your pick, whether they were from El Salvador, Guatemala or whatever, their enclaves of illegal immigrants in And or if they're in Washington DC or whatever these little kind of areas that they would all kind of take over, and a lot of those were.

No go zones for most law enforcement especially locally without big resources because they could be incredibly violent. They have you know, Lookouts they had kids that were working on their behalf, you know, they were doing things running it, like a compound. And the way that I always argued for people that are very leftist leaning or very Progressive, or liberal, whatever you want to call it, they would say we were trying to let people come to this country to have opportunity.

But in reality, what we saw was that people would get Over the Border. They would come into these little enclaves and then they were victims. Let's say, it was only one in a hundred was a predator. Part of the, you know, criminal gang that the, the transnational organized crime groups, those people now have a captive victim population with no access to law enforcement.

No language skills, no understanding of what protections they may be entitled to, and they can be trafficked, they can be exploited, we saw a bunch of extortion, where somebody would open up a small business, which was illegal, they would have like a, like a, like a little kiosk out of their minivan. They drive around a Costco and buy beer and And stuff like that. Then they go sell and all their neighbors.

And then the drug traffickers or the MS-13 members would come and say, you owe me, 20 bucks a week or we're going to kill your husband. And once a year, they would kill somebody husband. Just let him know they were serious because they were plenty of people always coming in. So, they had this captive victim population and were trafficking children on a federal dollars. You said, ten billion dollars over two years. We are sending children into

these these hellhole. So, they're leaving a hell hole somewhere, trying to find a better life, which we can all empathize with even if it's not legal, and then they end up in, exactly. Zaki the same situation may be worse because there's no possibility of escaping out of it. This is where they thought they were getting free. And now they're in it, being either sex trafficked or traffic for labor and my more or less accurately stating that that's written that was spot on.

That's gross on every level. And this should be a, this should be a nonpartisan issue. And I don't, we've never talked about either ways that you guys vote. And I didn't doesn't really matter to me, honestly, because this is about human beings that are finding themselves.

They are looking for an opportunity which I said, I'm not real crazy about people doing it the wrong way and yet, nobody should be okay with it. Because all it's doing is moving people from One victim situation to potentially a worst victim situation because they actually had high hopes that they were coming out of something terrible, and they don't have any family. They don't have whatever Network or connections or anything they know about or even common

language. When you go into these places the minute you get out of these little these little enclaves, you're in Houston, Texas, or you're in Casa de Maryland then suddenly you're just in like the outskirts of Baltimore, the outskirts of DC, not everybody speaks Spanish. So their screw they have nowhere to run like they're isolated in these little compounds and they can't escape. Yeah, yeah. And Kyle something that I a lot of people don't know and I was shocked to find out is a

majority of the children. Are coming in from Guatemala. Okay, a lot of the children speak a Mayan dialect. Now, I'm a fluent Spanish speaker. I've sat in, to listen, right with the interpreters. These Mayan dialects, like, catch a mom, other things, they sound more like Arabic, then they do Spanish. I mean, it's to the point where I could not even understand one word. So, sometimes our our little ones who were coming in from Guatemala, they couldn't speak

Spanish with the other kids. So, think about it, you've got a child who you brought in here? Who is they bring them because they can victimize them. They can't ask for help in English. Neither, can they ask for help in Spanish? They are completely vulnerable and it is absolutely unconscionable unconscionable. Now, someone in d.c. is looking at a spreadsheet, right?

That's got all the, a numbers, you know, the alien numbers of the children, I'm looking into the faces of these little kids, right? It is the most horrifying. I, I cannot, I could never express in words, just how horrifying it is to know that. That these children are being victimized and there's no one to help them and we need to do better as the federal government period end of story. This is just, it's just unacceptable.

Well, it's also one of those things where like are in your that your the Intel side of this likes you you're seeing data but you can translate data into real you know your Marine Corps experience lets you see information and translate it into downrange. What's happening Tara's actually seeing the physical people, right? So your end of it, what were you seeing? Well you know, You're what were you Translating that to and what did you see as being like the operational and that was that

was being done on on DHS side? Mom not just to answer that back at first nothing was being done by my side as far as what you can see though and the pattern was immediate right away. First off the duration, you're seeing like in kind of assistant pattern, but it only started again in February 20 21 or five years prior to this, not one of these cases.

So there was an indicator of like, okay, this is an activity, which they're trying to obviously exploit for whatever reasons to is. There's also there was a pattern of their immigration status a they're all legal, but being the They also were all trying to use the pets of Asylum. And this is the mechanism that they use being screened by credible, fear reasonable fear, which can keep you in the country. And it's like, okay, well then I'll go see an immigration judge.

Then I'll get my Asylum claim or not and that that can take up to like three, four, five years. So that's our ticket to go to stay in the country to conduct this activity. But the fact that this is also happening across through three different groups across four different countries. This is a remaining Groove from Romania. This was 18. Street gang and MS-13 from Honduras. El Salvador Mexico.

So it's like okay this is a much missed a much broader thing going on. This is maybe a who knows what? But it's like, let's look into this. A lot of questions we can ask. We can collect certain things and, you know, kind of a narrow this thing down a little bit. And it was a no How do you attribute, the, the date that you just mentioned, February the month of February, and 2021.

And then also the fact that there was this tie-in between multiple transnational, organized crime groups, you know, are they comparing notes and why? Then why do you think oh definitely. We know that compared notes first off, when you talk to the aliens for the, for the adults for the male's, for the biscuit, the gang members, they have the same sort of civil time right

now. The common Trent, and I talked to some officers become a truck, then I was like, oh yeah, everyone's saying that they're gay, and then that's their claim for persecution in their home country. So, apparently, just now is, now is the way of all schedule coming up. But like, for example, when they in there, anybody saw the Mobsters by policy by law, they are required to get a transcript of their interview.

So now, they have every single question and a complete line of questioning of what to do when they're confronted by some officers. That's why everyone's story. It's like it doesn't just change over time. It's like you see an immediate like okay. He's the new story. Okay, here's the new you, it's so obvious. Asylum officers know that talking as well. There is obvious fraud going on and I'm dig, they level, we just don't care. They want the people coming in. It doesn't matter to them.

And what do you think? The significance of February 21? I have a an instinct but I'm curious what your games and ministration that she went from Trump to Biden straight up. Also, by the way, this is another thing to talking about, you know, the contractors that work for HHS that do all the case management, you know, as Tara said, like, there's a lot of policy that goes into place. So, it is kind of complex can

get very, very confusing. Especially this is not like your job, you just contractor, kind of coming in working for six months, then leaving a job, right? Right? There are in February 20 21 and then a thing in March, 20 21, they made two notifications of real changing of how to collect information and how to use that information for case managers and I'm not kidding there.

I'll send these links to you because they look rather Insidious to me, looking at it. Now by talking about removing the safety plan section, talking about reducing the number of questions, you asked to the child of how they feel for their safety down. To one question of, do you have any concerns like these are things? Writing put in place at HHS, one of these things came out the day after Biden, was inaugurated, HHS mix of notice to change the

rules. It's like okay Britain is a really but also then according to Administration, there was no emergency. So why are they making this big change? All the sudden we knew and the tellin slide we knew there was a border run coming because we already saw the reporting back. Remember the earliest one being about January? I think 8th 9th. May, the 10th that big rooms are coming up cbp's, published in these things or unclassified. It doesn't, you know it.

It reaches everybody and is saying there are major groups forming right now and they are in route, then they were coming over because their economy is suffering past year, these people are hurting financially, so you're going to see a big big push of people that just want to click them. And so now, see POC DP. What are short? They can't process these cases with efficiency anymore. It's just. All right. Get them through and get in there and see a notice to appear. That's all it is.

Also the other part too, is that so much this was fueled by social media and Twitter Facebook WhatsApp. And yet, why were there no Tech answers from Twitter Facebook. Because we know that they were pushing out, you know, vaccine Corrections and covid Corrections and, you know, election corrections. But no apparently you can form Caravans in which they were saying like, yeah, go up there. You get a silent. No problem. It's like, well, that's not true and you guys know that's not

true. But where is the government? You know? Yeah. Where's the misinformation correction there, right?

Let me, let me ask you a question that I've seen a bunch and I've never had a great answer for but I'm guessing you have more visibility to it. The question always comes up when they talk about these Caravans and I recall those notices, by the way, of them forming in fact wearing things like, you know, Biden let us in with their logo from The Campaign, which was very suspicious, like, okay who is paying for, who is running these operations of massive Caravan

formation. And, and it is it a single group of people or is this like like, you know, like just a movement that is organically forming. Do you have an instinct on that? Organic not unless they cancel, it comes to the cartels. So now, I'm not saying this is represent a group that was a million. Sure. But now this is operated by the cartels because they have to go through cartel country and then that means I gotta pee and so they could be cloudy groups that don't work for cartels but they

know. Okay, this is your highway. I got to pay it here ago, cool. So no, yeah, this is, this is still around crime. From that part alone. They are The Gatekeepers to this process. So, even if the cartels are not the ones, organizing it, they are still the ones that are facilitating it. Because They're the pass-through and they're going to, you know, Aggregate and then move these these units through is your sort of your contention at least from what you've seen and and yep.

And every head is a cost share when every cost and if it does kind of range shooter, some people say it's like you know as little as 1,400 I've seen it between eight and ten thousand dollars per head, that's a lot of money when you go over time and so the accurate number as far as border. Crossings it's not with ministration, you know, says it is of about like two and a half, whatever it is a year the closer number of for all Are people coming over.

So this is people, you know, actually encountered people who were not encountered, they can see him getting away. People that were picked up on video and then other people there, they're not put them on video because the algorithm couldn't read them. You had all those things together. Border patrol knows this. It's about give or take 5 5 and a half million a year. That's that Maggie. This is a big-money a, yes, yes,

it's a huge money effort. And Kyle I will say the case that got me thrown off the Pomona intake site. Involved, 24 children who came across as a group from El Salvador with a female coyote. And a lot of the kids were going to Ohio but then others were being distributed around the country. And we know that they had this. This gang affiliation. We know this because the kids had said so and so the fact that that's what got kicked me off

the Off the site. I'm like, That's pretty drastic to take a federal volunteer who's putting forth serious allegations regarding the safety of children that as soon as this whole MS-13 case, came up that just was that was just too much for them to deal with. Because I said, hey look, this involves 20. This is like 24 kids and so what's happening here? And that was yeah. That's not something they wanted people to to know about, it makes sense and they are one thing please.

And there were you the only one who removes from Pomona? Yep. Yep. And it put a large chilling effect. Yeah, on people I talked to somebody last night who worked in background and she she said Tara we just we didn't even know what to do when they walked you off the side. I mean they did it midday yolk a big spectacle and they said, you know, we felt so we just felt so alone. Yeah. I was the only one who was who

was walked off the site. I want to get into that story because walk, but yeah, I want to get to that story. I think that I think that is one of the really important things that people understand which they don't, you get a lot of this. Why aren't more people speaking out? Like, what's gonna, you know, how we're all the brave people? And the answer is it's complicated and I try to explain that in a way. I'm going to tell you my quick story.

I on April 18th, what in I had a conversation with my former boss. You know, I'd already knew that I was a Marked Man within the FBI and that was fine. And then I had a, my S CC, the special agent in charge from Albuquerque drive, three and a half hours with his Lieutenant, who's called a assistant special agent in charge the two of them showed up with no. Notice at my office didn't even tell my boss, that they were coming rolled in pulled me into

a conference room. And then took my badge, my gun, you know, my authorities, all the other things, my credentials, all these kind of deals. And then, you know, walked me over to my desk, to collect my personal items and marched me out the door as you guys say. Like it's a chilling effect. Everybody gets to see it.

It was at 11:00. When they showed up, it was about noon by the time I walked out everybody's in the Office, nobody missed the day and they drove me home and my own work vehicle and, you know, kicked me out of my own work vehicle, which they took away with them. And then ask me for some additional magazines for my, for my handgun, which was funny because I pulled down a bear in a bin, I have a lot of guns and or what people think are a lot of guns that.

So I pulled down this bin and I probably had like 100 plus magazines in there and I was like looking for their as I was like, I don't know where yours are in here but I pull them out and like here you go, you can take these two and get out of my get off my property. My wife was so disgusted by what

would happen? She put my body armor out on the Mailbox. So they didn't come on the property and while she was inside it fell over, my wife is a champ, it fell over, it was like sitting in the road I lived out in the middle of nowhere so didn't matter but like it was sitting in the middle of the road when they drove up she says FBI body armor laying there. But the whole point like you mentioned is that chilling effect. That letting everybody see that they're making an example, like

this is what happens. And you know they They're they're making a very strong message sent with one Exemplar and then everybody else gets the message. Very clearly. So walk me through what that day was because I'm sure you have a vivid memory of it. You know what, it was your normal morning. And when did this kickoff and, and you know what, were the face of your colleagues, as you left out, I give me the whole story

here. Yeah, so so picture this, I mean it's a huge Ballroom that were working in so it's a huge Ballroom, it's open. So there are tables and case managers. On one side and then the children come in and sit on the other side. So it was just rows of tables and a completely open space. So yeah. So on this day, the federal field specialist, he actually saw me in the hallway and said,

hey, can I talk to you? And I'm and he's with his security person but I, you know, I don't think anything about it. He was always asking me about the, the high-level cases because I was mainly working trafficking. I mean he actually called me CSI. And I told him I said you know I appreciate that I think that's

awesome. I said but you do understand I'm not an investigator and we do need investigators here so it would be great if we could get some FBI people or Homeland Security investigations are hhs-oig. I was always saying we need real investigators here. So anyway so he stopped me as normal. Hey can I talk to you? I'm like sure. Yeah he says well let me see if a conference room is open and it

wasn't. So we went outside and sat on the bench and he said Tara, he said I But to say that you are being accused of a violation of the code of conduct, and I was like, what first of all, there's no code of conduct, you know, put anywhere. And I could not even imagine what thing I could have violated. And I said really my goodness, what what what am I being

accused of doing? And he said well we understand that you made a donation to some age outs and a jury determinations and I said well yeah actually I did. I said and I have talked to my ethics counsel about it who put me to hhs's council about it. I said because just to go back and age out is a child who turns 18 while they're in the program? That means immediately. Right?

Then that's it. They are no longer an unaccompanied minor and they are released from the site into regular population in the United States, okay? So you're animating you made a contribution to someone that you basically saw that the system had managed to fail essentially like while they were in it. Yes. And then they were just kicked out into the world. It's like, well, now that you've met reach this magical number, you're no longer important to us.

And so you made a personal contribution, which I think the government sees as free speech and less. I don't understand how civil how the Supreme Court cases work, but you can give money. And that's free speech, right? Yes your yeah. Yeah. And you're not allowed to give money to the children who Who are unaccompanied minors. Sure. But you can to any person who's no longer right on the side, so that person could have had a Gibson.

Go for all it matters that you could have been making a contribution in any way you wanted and nobody would ever think twice about it. Yes. Okay, so this is a put-up job. Yeah. People were always raising money. They were giving to to fly kids before they turned 18 to make sure they got to their destination, you know, all kinds of stuff, which I know I couldn't do. No, I couldn't do that. But so I was making this donation with the the highest level person on the site

responsible for the kids. It was the Child Welfare director. And so only, he knew that I was making any donations. And the reason that I was making donations is because a lot of these kids, the majority were coming from Guatemala. They're not on the US dollar right at El, Salvador's on the dollar, but Guatemala's on the kicks out. Ali. So, if they came across the border and all they have is kicks Ali's. They can't even eat for the day. And I thought, this is just horrible.

So, I was making donations 9. Anyone, on my team new, nobody knew because I don't believe, you know, don't let your right hand. Know what your left hand is doing. There's a theology Pika. Yeah. So I was secretly making donations with the child welfare director.

And so anyway, he said I think that was the thing that They didn't realize that I had reached out to ethics to find out what I could and could not do and I even they looked at each other even when I said that I said, well, of course I made the donations. Yes, they're not part of the program and it's legal to do. There's no, there's no problem here. There were all kinds of things.

I tried to help with in certain circumstances with the children, sometimes family would fail the the the approval process. Yes, we had a situation where someone was in Enterprise Alabama, which was a no send Zone, because they so many kids were going there and they had to do a home study before a child could go. And the dad failed, the home study because the the living conditions. And so I was actually trying to help at the direction of people on the site is there. Another place.

Could we help relocate the dad? So that the, he could be reunited. And so there were all kinds of Things. I was always helping with but that was one thing that I really thought was horrible, that we're bringing kids here and then we're just kicking them out into the world. And I mean, you're and you have

an altruistic heart. Clearly like this is the reason why you volunteered for this particular program, there's no doubt like I can, if you haven't seen our Rumble Channel, folks go to rumble Channel. You can see tears face. You can see what she believes in. You can see the way she's talking. And I think that's I think that's a powerful thing. That's why we do it on video as well, but you're out there trying to do something that, you know, No is right.

In a world full of wrong understanding that the government has many failures, but that doesn't mean that it's not made of people who have good Hearts. So, you're trying to do this thing, they obviously got you with something that is a, that is nonsensical. I feel very similar about the way they came after me. That was a, that was a cover for Action. For What the actual action was, what was the result of the end of that conversation, you're sitting on a bench.

He tells you, you've got ethics violations, you know, you don't then what right? He said. So what I'm going to need you to do then is Write a statement about how you gave the donations and why you gave the donation. So I'm like, great. Okay, no problem. So I think you know, I'm just going back to work and he said and we're just going to let you do that from your hotel and I'm like, you know, I got lots of cases.

I'm working on he's like nope, this is the priority will let you do this from the hotel and I thought, I thought that was kind of weird, but I still had not caught on to the fact that they were retaliating against me yet. Right. Aaron is grinning right now because he knows exactly what this means. Because this is something you learn very early on in the military. You learn it. On in other agencies is like, once they start separating you from the group.

There's a reason why this is not an accident. Yeah, so it's funny looking back now but so I still didn't know what was happening yet and so I I said, okay. All right, no problem. So we're walking back in to the into the building and as we're getting ready to get to the huge, we had these huge double doors to go into the Ballroom, I'd he said, by the way, why don't you just collect all your things? And I said, oh my thanks, he says, yeah, anything that's personal.

He said, just collect all of your personal items and I remember, right? Then at that moment, I was like, oh, this is not good. No, that's a sinking feeling on that when that comes down. Yeah, I had that sinking feeling and so, you know, next thing, you know, at this point, my heart is racing and, you know, I'm I'm walking back in and people who know me know, I'm pretty chipper and happy and they could see the look on my face.

And so, I'm collecting my stuff and one of the girls beside me, she's she was looking at me, she had was new had rotated on to the team. She'd been there there about three weeks. I said, remember when I told you that when I get walked off the site, it's going to be for

trafficking. I said, well, I'm being walked off for trafficking and she looked at me So I collected all my things and I'm walking out, and, of course, all my friends are looking and they're horrified as we're walking out and going down the stairs, the federal field specialist, he's trying to make small talk with me. You know, how did you enjoy being in caliph or nia? My God. And I said, Phil, Phil has a whole story about this, by the way, it's the worst.

I said it is, it's awful. And I said, I'm just curious, are you Considering sending me home and he's like, well, you know, that that could potentially happen and I said, you know, I've been a federal employee almost 19 years at this point. I said, are you saying this could potentially affect my career? He's like, well, that's possible. But, you know, I don't think so. And I, I mean, at this point, I

am just completely panicked. I at this point I'm like ready hyperventilating like, oh, Oh my gosh, what's about to happen? And so we get to the place where we badge in. So we're walking and having this nice conversation and he said, you know, well, we're going to investigate and I said, investigate this. That's when then I really, I thought, okay, cannot get any worse than this and as I hand my badge to badge out, they took it in special assessment, we can

just give that to security. That's right. You're taking my Right? So that, yeah. So, fortunately, I've had great people who I've been in contact with and I'd already made to protected disclosures to doj oig to protected disclosures to HHS oig. And I'm calling friends saying hey what do I do now? And so they walk me, you know, off the ledge. And I had to call my office who they did not know at all, I was

working trafficking cases. So, I had to call my office and say, okay, I need you to take a seat because I'm just got walked off the site and SES is like what? And I said I've been working trafficking cases and I have discovered not only are they trafficking the kids, but they're also MS-13 is involved. And they don't want that to get out. I said, I've already made protected disclosures to doj in here and there and he said, I'm going to call you back, right? So he can sensed with some

people. And he said, he said Tara, he said, I want you to take a deep breath. He said, we got your back. He said, I will send agents to escort you home. He said you think you're safe and I said, I don't think they would be that dumb to do anything and my husband ended up escorting, me home, I declined an escort home but they were, you know, they were concerned which is which is the thing that we have been?

Yeah. You all get that like everybody asked the question about your physical safety, which is like one of the worst things you can imagine because we're in a world where that is plausible. To Pivot over because I know, Aaron sitting there quietly and I know his story is less cordial. You at least are were, were brought back to your own home agency and you've been able to continued employment Aaron, you did not have the same experience. Yours is a lot more like mine.

That's why you and I are kind of the same tribe. I told you the other day. Tell me, tell me how first of all, how did it come to a head? Because it always comes to something and was it something that you expected or they catch you off guard? So, you know, so I actually went public the first when I blew the whistle on this. I was like in Shadows, no, no, I was right after work is no, no one knew anything, right? And then I found more exact corruption and that's not what the public.

And you know, then they were like, okay this is earned. And so from there, there were like that was, you know, it's kind of awkward. So at work, you know, people were told, like, don't talk to him, just don't interact, you know? And like that, that alone was like, okay. So they're going to clearly missing which is fine. I don't want people getting, you know, investigated also. So it's Deal. He was looking up on the side and they were like, you know, I

respect you, that was cool. It was mild, you know, that kind of thing. Let's go. Then this is a while later I got it. So I got my best to gatien's, I go through it. I might tourney go back and forth and then I get called in one day and say, hey be in the lobby at 9 a.m. and I was like, I, that's all I need to know. I know it's going to happen now. That's right. That's when they read me out. They gave me tell people about looks like, by the way, and then

they said, like weird. Not everyone's familiar with my, but my buddy. Steve friend gave me a hard time. He was like all you've security guys, who know about security clearances talk about breeding out like what if he's like, what is reading out? Tell people what that looks like. Yes, basically they just have to go through all your, all your statements are signed statements saying, you know, I will cut

this operation for. I think it's 75 years, the duration of your life every was so I decided to go see. I had your garden-variety apartments, that's 80, km/h dies, and then they just say the cart sign this. You're out of its unless you're out of it. It the you debris from security officer saying, you know, board and statements of sine, which is, you know, by law. You gotta, I never get any classified but it's like no big deal. Whatever this part of the process. I understand it.

I would even this is going in the game. Yep, look at my read out. And they say, okay, you can tell work though, so you have got to stay until the work and you gotta log in. But you can't go in and eat like immigration system because we don't trust you anymore. You can't go do any work. So they've gotten your research, like, you know, open source would never know. Recipes. So, log in every day, Yeah, you know, I've read books. I've read, you know, I'm not at work. Don't worry.

And it's so then. So your horse telework was essentially like administrative leave. That was that correct? I mean, I was more or less a thing. It was an administrative leave check in with us every day. Yeah, basically. And you know, and I'm not gonna lie to you.

So my first science advisor, my second line supervisor, they were great, very professional, they weren't, you know, they weren't getting bad for me. It wasn't the weird part for me was when I finally get like, you know, sat down, By the, it was a division Chief and it's like just stick this paperwork and it's, like, I signed acknowledging receipt. Okay? This is the process, okay. I got that. I understand it. It's some kind of looping through a metre, no, flipping

through, and what they say. And like, just the one of the word said, you know, we basically lost trust in you and I was like, right? Because in your their own language, I revealed the identity of detected applicants who were seeking Asylum. It's like, there you go. Like, I'm showing sex traffickers. What? We're not talking the same thing guys. Like you see this literally and nothing else and I can't. I'm sorry, I see this right here and those know they'll never meet up.

So that was telling for me, I didn't regret it. And once once I finally got hold of Terror because I saw her video come out. We talked. And yeah, we met in Phoenix. I was so as awesome as great time meeting you too, of course, Kyle. But when I asked her like, you know, about cases, like whatever happened with things and she did say, like, one of these kids like did get pulled out a sponsor because of set me off. Fucking concerns. And I was just like, you know what? That's worth it alone.

It's like it's, it might be just one kid, but it's like that someone's life. That's just it's now because the average age, by the way, for a trafficking victim, it's like seven, ten years, you get traffic 727, 10 years later, you're probably dead. And so it's like, you know what, that's good enough for me because who knows what it could have gone through. So yeah, that was that most people, yeah, I get my fire notice. It was Most people can't put that on there.

They can't put on their tally. Like, I've done something that directly resulted in another human being be able to live the rest of their life. There's very few people that can do that. Even people like in the medical field generally speaking can't make that call because you know, you just don't know. That's a very tangible thing. When someone gets pulled out of a thing where basically everybody in their dies, in a pretty short period of time.

That's right. You know, I think that that makes it worth it. I agree with you. Yeah. And so they work also like in this, in this time frame, they did try to like change some policies like you know. Okay. They basically lot of things about I dressed.

They try to go like you know okay we should we should look at these things and like they tried mover in the back end doesn't matter it's like yeah you have to make the time it changes in this program otherwise it's going to keep happening because we have no it where I worked at is called usasf DNS. Broader section National Security that we have no teeth, we're even our bark is very quiet but getting back to the

the firing part. So sit down On with the person above the division, Chief and I knew her, and she's a good person. She didn't shoot enjoy, you know, she did enjoy the process. She said I can start do this part of the job, not like don't worry about it is you know enjoy your dear sweet and she hunts deer enjoyed your hunting deer you know live your life, do your thing but it's like but that's it. I can't I can't do this program with you guys anymore. It's just this is too much.

So and then, What is your? So your status is terminated they give you a nasty sf50 that says you were terminated for cause or something to that effect, or what does it say? I didn't download my last. Sf50 I did get again I got the whole packet and I since my turning I was like if you want to, you know, what do you think sir?

I'll do whatever I do because if we want to protect austerity or other cases in the future it's like no. I'll I'll do a good college try but I'm not trying to get my job back them anymore. They don't trust me. That's fine. Then I trust me. Right? But yeah so far from that that's only been about It's like two weeks now. I guess, I know that's fresh information. It was something you probably knew was coming. It still doesn't feel any better when you start learning it.

And you actually have to process through that. It's as weird. It's really weird, right? Especially cuz you just, I'm just doing the math on here. You've got almost 18 years total of working for the federal government and in some way or another, that's your entire adult life. I always tell people that the, that betrayal is not something that happens from a stranger. It's someone that you trust stabs you in the back.

Back and I have to imagine getting walked out for Tara and, and you know, losing the job has the same feeling that I've thought about it and I only had ten years of total, you know, Federal time. But you're like, I believe in the government. That's why I signed up to do these things, and then they put the knife in between your shoulder blades, you can't reach it, because it's back there. That's, that's the thing that hurts, right? I've done more than just to talk Mission.

I've, you know, I've worked on terrorism cases, I've worked on, you know, obvious fraud, cases a lot of things and it's like, even have even an people at work knew my sentiment of a lot of our failures. The Chinese spy thing alone was like, oh my gosh, guys, but like, I've seen plenty of already, like dis failures again and again, and again, but it still was like, oh, wow, you guys don't trust me.

I like no offense, guys, I point out somebody who's very, very bad doing bad things and your take on it is. Yeah. But you know, he's an asylum Seeker. It's like, all right. It's just it's a culture and I'm not part of it. That's right. And you and I are going to do a whole nother interview, which I told you, we'll get into all the things about failures on the counterterrorism, front on the failures of the counterintelligence front of which they are numerous. And I think that'll be very

eye-opening for folks. I don't want heads to explode when they listen to this because it's so, it's only so many things people can process at any given time. I'm so we're going to we're going to, you know, listeners you're going to know that we're going to do this another moment where Aaron and I will get into the deep end of some of the

significant failures. DHS is a totally other animal, you know, you talk about 10 billion dollars, that's a splash in the bucket for their 120 billion dollar budget that they have every year, five billion dollars a year is nothing. And then that's on HHS. I don't know how big HHS is, but I'm sure it's enormous as well. So I want to kind of pivot back in there. You got walked out of the site Tara, you neither of you guys stopped. That's the real. For me.

And this is why this is why I want to keep talking about it. The fight doesn't end because you get walked off the site. You still have friends in there that are that are seeing these things. What is going on in the Pomona side or any of the people that have come to you since then that

you seen? Now that you're sitting in a different government spot obviously you're going back to your regular job but like what what's the developments that happened from the time you get walked off there and they take your badge. Yeah. Well, I mean it takes a moment to recover from that, right?

And then, you know, recorded interviews with agents and all kinds of things, but I just, I couldn't sleep knowing what What was going on. But right now today Kyle there are children who are in crisis, right? When project Veritas went and knocked on the doors, children are telling their stories. You know the 15 year old girl who wants to quit school so that she can pay back her debt to the cartel. The 16 year old girl who's trafficked by her sponsor who supposedly her aunt, that she's

never met or out for sex, right? But she's never met, you know. So knowing These things and I've heard children screaming for their parents. You know, I've watched kids have panic attacks because they didn't know where they were going. I mean, I just couldn't I just couldn't live with it. I just couldn't. And so, you know, I went through every Avenue and attorneys and all kinds of stuff. And I said, what can I do with my First Amendment right to bring this to light?

Because I I've done all the correct channels and now what can I do to help these kids? Kids. And so I'm really grateful. I mean, first it was Project. Veritas yeah. What was their actual advice on that stuff? Did they give you? Like, here's your left and right boundaries and they tell you They were like, please don't do this, you're going to put a Target on your back, you know. Yes. Stand that, you know, you have your job now.

But if you continue down this path, you know, at some point they might not appreciate it. But I cannot my worldview has just been changed and I recognize just like the two of you because to me, you all are heroes and I see that one voice truly can make Difference and this by continuing to speak out, it's led to some pretty amazing things and that I hope are going to continue Texas. The AG's office there. They've got some human trafficking teams that are

hopefully going to go rescue. Some of these kids Florida has has had a lot of testimony I've talked with a lot of prosecutors and what's interesting is that as Scared and terrified as people are to come forward. It's interesting. Everyone said, you know, if you can get me a subpoena Tara, I'll come forward. And so I think that's sometimes I think HHS maybe miscalculated that nobody would ever come

forward. But so there's lots of good people who have started to come forward, who been subpoenaed? They want a subpoena, can you imagine? Please get me a subpoena. Well, that's something really important about that. Yeah, I think you bring up a really Important point because I have the same situation with FBI and, you know, we're all seeing different sides of the federal government but they're all the same, which is that people want

to speak. They are not allowed to speak, but if you call them and put them under oath, they would say the truth. And there is a big difference between that, like, it takes someone like both of you, it takes someone sometimes like me to go out there and take the take the first flax. Almost got to be the first one through the door, so that these attorneys, whether they be a G's of a state, or where they would be Federal prosecutors know what

the problem and what the scope. Up is because they don't even know where to direct their fire. But when you give them a grid coordinate and you go look go call that human being in this office and have them come under oath and say the things that they have to say they are obliged to say the things that are true. They don't get to hide behind policy when there's federal law and play or state law in this

case. And so that's kind of the really interesting thing and let's you be a lightning rod for all the all the nastiness but it also gives you ability to channel that into a place where it can do some good. Yes, yes. And so we're hoping that that's going to lead to some federal things as well. So hopefully, you'll be hearing some interesting stuff coming out of the Judiciary Committee and I have it on pretty good. Pretty good faith that something's going to happen with

that. So I'm hoping that's that's the case. The main thing is and people are like, why do you keep doing this? I said, because one kids need to be rescued too bad. People need to be locked up and three this program that HHS has completely lost control of needs to be reformed period, end of story. Yeah, so this has been going on for years and years trafficking in this program. It won't get fixed overnight at all.

Yep. No. But, you know, Senate, you know, reports back for years and these these paper activities are not are not saving the children. So something drastic needs to be done and hopefully this is is this is going to continue to spark action. Yeah. Aaron did you have something you wanted to weigh in on there too? You had that look I mean, yeah. So I've been looking through this program again like blue, the policy part, because government is just that's her blood there during my policy. Yep.

And on top of that, you know, their their agency policy, their internal policies, all these little, you know, snap impromptu things. The rule changes. That's the diverter for me is just how much they accomplished in the administrative state by rule changes. Now those are insane to me. But I've been going through just to make sense of it because it's hard to because it's you know, it's government is boring, right? It is so it's like A lot of meat is right there.

Yeah, and and, like, no one. Look at these things. Like this kind of you count on all these websites have, like, you know, a notice of proposed rule making changes and I, some of these things are less than 400 less than 300. And it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to change the entire collection form of when you talk to a child. It's like, well, we'll wait. When did we you're going to that one? Where is that democracy in play?

And why was that done on the 21st of January 2021, but I do have, I mean, it's like with terrorists all over the states. That's me, is a much stronger. Thing, because local politics is great way to go and they do have authority to have a lot of power if they're willing to just I mean just real, the guys like stop yielding it to the feds for responsiveness one.

You know, there are a lot of border states, a lot of states that are impacted by this, but you have investigators, you have a teeth like start using them because that might be the quickest way to at least stop the kids from in this program and to find some bad guys and we can do those two things first. It's like back end, you know, we can work on that. I'll see if there's reform possible. Yet, there's still a thing there.

Maybe it's like the kids getting out of it and the bad guys getting caught up. It's like, that's got to be prioritized. First, I think States, especially if they had the data from HHS, yes, they might take is if any law enforcement agency from, you know, City County State. They have a case of, you know, involving a child in this program. I think they should get full access to everything that's gone through every single piece of paper.

Every single file has to go to them because they're gonna be the action art. That's right. How many, how many attorneys generals from different states have signed onto or committed to doing some sort of action based on The Whistleblower activity from the two of you. There you know what's funny? Yeah that I know of right now. Yep. Got to but things in you talk I think are in the works so we'll see.

Okay. Yes Allah and there's and there should be some more reading us. You would think soon is going by proximity where the problem is. Yeah. But we'll see. So Texas and Florida have been forward-leaning. It sounds like you said, Utah's on the ropes but probably coming into the fight as well. What's what's interesting is is I think people have seen in the last couple years. Every state functions is a border state. Now, when DHS and, and or rather HHS is willing to ship people everywhere.

You know, whether it be from, in the middle of the night, plane rides, and all these kind of things that tip something in Aaron's head, right? Yeah, so I mean Virginia alone. Pranks ice live in Virginia and I think through of the, the 12 total things that I saw, the 12 total counters, I saw in eight months of this, you know, gang members trying to get kids, want to say like three or four men came from Virginia, early, some

is surrounded. Near area there is a large population of not just, you know, the people's from Guatemala El, Salvador Honduras. But the activity of the games as well, my parts of Alexandria parts of outer Graphics County and like place like Alexandria. That's a that's what it, what they call it, what? City? A sanctuary City? Yes. So there is a criminal's, no, to go there because it's almost in and out and they can do not going to put on the country that way. That's right.

Yeah. So I've done surveil, I've done surveillance on a house out there and we were Watching it. And the reason was is that they were supposedly like 10 or 15 families living in a four-bedroom house which is pretty standard in these sort of illegal, immigrant type occupations. And then one of the guys in there might have been a top ten fugitive who killed like to Federal sources down in Texas. And then Lefty was a top-10 fugitive for the State of Texas. So we we sat on it.

We saw him. He came out on a bicycle. He went down to the corner store and we grabbed him and yeah, that stuff happens every day. Like there's a ton of Ms in the greater DC area. My old field office Washington field, handles it in. Maryland hails it in DC and then a ton of it in in Virginia as well. So that all these places are border states even though they don't have a border with Mexico or anywhere touching Latin America. It's amazing.

Right. Yeah. Well, when the federal government is paying, I think this is the thing that I wish people could understand. And I know it's hard for people to get their minds around because it was hard for me to understand that the United States government is creating the poll were creating the pull because we are The middleman in the trafficking operation, we are taking the children in and then paying all these midnight flights all around the country, right?

The United States government is paying that bill to distribute the kids all around the country. So to your question that you asked Aaron in the beginning, why February 20 21 right, why? Well, because gangs are about making money, and the kids are assets to them. Yeah. So when they are, you know, the easiest thing to compare it, it too is drugs versus the children, right? If they are trafficking drugs from Guatemala, it's a

one-time-use. So they got to get the drugs all the way, you know, across Mexico across the border where they're going to use some of it lose, some of their product, they got to pay a distribution chain so for one-time use. But when they're trafficking children, all they got to do is get them to the border and then we take them and then with tax

dollars, we distribute them. So for the traffickers on this end, they view that child as a continually paying asset, these traffickers make residual income. They are building their assets. Off of the ten billion dollars were investing in the program and policies have consequences. This is why there 2, they made the run on the border.

What was in order to be able to set up these networks, be able to create these rains, where hey, we got, we got a hundred kids, I don't think people get it. This is residual income for the trafficker. Every hour. They've got these hundred kids working, they're making money off of it. They don't give these kids their paychecks. I mean, go back. I people can look at the videos back from 20, it's called trafficked in America off of

this report. They I actually went and showed the squalor conditions, the kids were living in how they take their paychecks and it's horrific and we are the middleman in the trafficking ring. Well, it's unacceptable unacceptable, it, it's almost more like we're the last mile. I don't know if you've ever seen a service but sometimes like you'll have you know FedEx or UPS, whatever will move things around to their logistical hubs and they hired these contractors that are called last mile or

last, you know, last mile. Or something like that. They're all called the something similar. But they do the last little bit of the logistical chain to getting it from point A to point B. And then and as you just mentioned I think this is so point. Like I never thought of this is why when drug traffickers are moving a drug. They have to get it from A to B themselves all the way and it's

a one-time-use, right? It goes from fill in the blank country, it makes it over our border in any way, shape, or form. Then they are also got to get it through our, you know, Highway systems and all the logistical routes there and they've got to make sure that they maintain it and secure it. All the way and make sure that the dealers don't take it, and then it gets, you know, sent out to the end user of that product, and that's the end of it.

And so, it's an, A, to B. This is more like, moving a rental car. And letting someone get it, you get it to the hub. And then not only do they get as the Hub like someone's gonna drive it to where it needs to go, where it's going to make the most money and then it gets rented out over and over again. So it's almost a durable good. And we're not just talking about sex trafficking.

We're obviously talking about abusive, labor, child, labor exploitation, where you know you mentioned the slaughter Factory. So it doesn't only I Sex trafficking is the one that hits our heart, the hardest. I think because it's such a it's such a destructive force forever but being worked in a slaughterhouse at the age of seven or eight or 10. Whatever these things look like is equally atrocious in many ways because of just there's just no coming back from it for

these kids. It's incredible to imagine and it's more than just a sound bite. I want people to grasp this. You've talked about government-sponsored trafficking operations. We are literally in the logistical chain of these transnational organized crime, I'm organizations. Like we're part of their business model. In this case, all of us. Yes, we are. Erin I'm sorry, I got so we also know that these talk organizations, they abused immigration system by using defensive Asylum. Okay.

That's, you know, as you so it's you don't know, there's affirmative Asylum which is like your traditional way of thinking about things, do you know go up to a Us official and say I'm threat of my life being killed. If I go back home can have Asylum. You think about this like political reasons, defensive? Asylum is, you've already been encountered, you're putting putting removal proceedings. You're going to get deported and then you say, oh, but if I go back home, they're going to kill me.

It's almost like a grab that last branch on the way down. And so if you go through this process, traditionally, you would first be screened by an asylum officer, and this is called credible, fear, or reasonable fear. And these things were on average approved about like 77 80 percent is reproved like yep, you will qualify for this goes

to the immigration judge. So now maybe 80% of those and I Yeah, and then I J's the immigration judge they'll review your case and go. Yes or no, and they said no on average of about 85 percent of those cases. So, the it's a complete disparity. Like, yep. You're good.

And it's like, no, you're not. And that's why I blew the whistle publicly because the vitamin istration the the employee union of the USCIS, they wrote policy to change the rules to ship, the adjudicative authority of defensive, Asylum away from immigration, judge. Jizz and giving it to Asylum officers. So those those 85%. No cases will very quickly become yes cases. And so not only did it one more time for me.

No, say where the authorities have been changed from, it's gone from a judge to Just Like A administrative officer. Yeah. It's not a mobster and now and we gotta judge. Yeah. Keep going. Yeah. That's why I blew the whistle on. A my guys, this is worse than you realize and so when you have these people now abusing the system because now they'll come off the watch list. They're no longer being targeted or seen and they keep that trafficking going. It's not going to stop him at all.

And doesn't forget that one. Each list was kept at 40,000 and I was going to say, but of the question. Sorry, I'm so sorry. Well, they've already know. Yeah, either the authorities. So they, this is a Biden Administration policy to take it. And this was advocated on behalf, like by the by the union. Is that what you're saying?

Yes, because Joe Biden, he accepted the Democratic party platform and, you know, 2020 and like, it was that was published in, you know, I think it's August 20, 2010, the DNC convention. And then in the debate, and I think I've told her 2020, that's when, you know, Joe Biden said, like, I am the Democratic party, but Yep, this is me, these are

policies, right? So read through the Democratic Convention, you, whatever, you just control, find look for immigration judge, it's mentioned one time all the sudden that entire time and that in that one thing it says we're going to give you less political You know, of an environment where to give you more autonomy, more freedom to do your job, as ij's, they talk about reforming CVP, coming hard down on, you

know, ice there's that. We're never the USCIS has never mentioned at all so you can see how the way the club operates what they want to do. Yep. And yeah. So the employee union even this is before binds inaugurated, their writing, white papers, on how to change this. Niggas rule, change of give us the authority to do defensive assignment claims. That's the majority of Asylum. It's not affirmative. It's coming from defense. Of Asylum.

So let us make those things and then they're there is your program of just keeping everybody in the way. It is. Why would they want? So, Why would the Union want that? Yes. Is it a political? Is it a political leader of the membership? Or is it something that benefits the agency in some big way or both? So no, it's not to be fair. As far as membership, I won't say yay or nay to that one because that'd be a lot of Assam officers.

He was his what they think, and they may have a good wolf or this one or whatever, but as far as the leadership, yes. Because USCIS, the majority of their leadership positions come from this division of the Asylum, folks. It's called radio Refugee. Asylum in operations. They're the ones that run USCIS you, you come. Them and you're in charge of like the club and pulling strings and stuff. And yeah, that's that's just the

way it works. But I've also talked to a solemn officers because, you know, they've some reach out to me and been like Aaron, that was cool. Yeah, we stayed we stayed in touch with friends, whatever. And they're tell me what's going on right now because they're hiring. Obviously, like 1,000 officers to be able to do this upcoming job. I don't think the rule changes affect yet because Ken Paxton sued in Texas. Okay, so hopefully they win, but we'll see.

But they're busy written will trigger and like to start running through quite quickly, get everybody through. And they become citizens, very fast. So, they are not moving. They're removing the block right there, removing that block, that would stop. And would basically, it would eliminate that three to five years and that decision that they would have would just be a final decision instead of going to a judge who eventually May remove those That's incredibly for all intensive purposes.

Yes. And and so I've talked with some officers as far as like, you know, what's going on with the? Hey, how's work? What you guys doing now? And they all say like, oh it sucks like the workload socks, like we are just swamped, and it really sucks to because we're bringing a new officers. This is their first job. People are so many people quitting during training to become an asylum officer, and they're just going to run the government. It's like, it's that bad for

them. What else was there? There's a few other things too. But it's basically. It's like You can see that what the corruption is done. It's like it is we know what this program is, guys, I just call it what it is, this is open borders and that's the way you guys want it, right? But and they don't understand that it's not humanitarian and you know, it was interesting is that I had someone high up in HHS on the site. Say, you know, have you ever considered and it was only after

the MS-13 case, right? So turning in all the other trafficking cases, nobody ever questioned, You know, if I had cultural biases. But when when I brought up this, you know, this case and was passing forward, all the information, you know, someone actually said to me, you know, you might want to check your cultural biases and I said, you know, I said you might not realize but my husband is from

El Salvador assure you. I don't have cultural biases and I would not have volunteered for this mission to help migrant children. If I was, you know, if I had biases against these people The challenge is is that these policies have very negative consequences on people. And that's the thing. It's like you shared at the beginning. It makes people slaves because they have no access to law enforcement. They can't they can't get help, you know.

And so this is not humanitarian and I think there's a lot of people and I, you know, I'm one included if we roll back. Back the clock, two years ago, I would have thought that that this unaccompanied child program was a great thing. Wow, we're uniting kids with their families and this is going to be awesome. What? I didn't realize is where the kids were going. And so, I think this is, it's like you said, in the beginning, this isn't a political issue. This is not a republican issue

or Democratic issue. This is these are children and I would hope that everyone would be able to say, we have to do better for her kids, then Put them in the hands of criminals and, and, and traffickers. We have, we have to do better. Yeah, we have to do better. I always know that you're on the right side of the of, of any discussion.

When there is an appeal to be made both to the left and to the right on the political Spectrum. I like to think of In The Middle on probably not my wife tells me, I'm on the right but so be it. I'm an independent one way or another and I don't follow a party platform and when it comes down to should people be able to live their lives and not be murdered. Or be under threat of murder, on

a regular basis. Should they be able to live their lives without being sex, trafficked by someone who will murder them? If they do not do the things, they are told that is not a partisan issue. I cannot imagine what side wants to defend that but it is an ignorance issue. Its people that are not willing to see that look the federal government is not a. I think we could all three agree here and producer Phil would say

as well. You know, the federal government is probably the worst solution to any problem. Sometimes there's no other solution so it has to step in and be that. Thing. But as you mentioned, state government way, better local government, far closer to the people. So many people have talked to me as an FBI agent and said, this thing is happening, what should I do? And the answer is, you call 911, like why are you asking me a

question? You call 911 when that happens, they don't even know how their lock, local law enforcement Works. They don't know what they're paying for with their own dollars and they live in this country and they speak the language. So, I could only imagine that you come in from El Salvador and you have no idea and maybe you have a natural distrust of the

police. Lease if you live in Mexico because there's corruption all over the place there that they have no ability to process this culture and what access to law enforcement, they may have. And when they do deal with us, they're always shocked. It's like oh I didn't realize that you would help us. We've gone through on some of these extortion cases just for your guys awareness where MS-13 is threatening somebody with their life and the federal

government. You know the FBI in this case pays the extortion money to build the case against the person that is extorting, we give the 20 dollars every month every week, whatever it may be Mark the bills and Build that case. So that we can go and get that person removed, but there's another person that steps in, that's what, that's what gangs do. They've got an entire pecking order.

So it's just the low man on the totem pole, we're picking off its transactional, business for law enforcement, but the locals don't know that the these poor people that are being threatened with their life, like I said, their husband may be on the chopping block because this woman doesn't give 20 bucks every week, it's horrific and there's no political aspect in this. It's just human you mentioned.

It was you know I've heard humanitarian crisis a whole lot and and I see you nodding along Ang but this is a humanitarian question. It's not a political question and it shouldn't be we should all be able to get together and just say, look these open borders, the real consequences are people suffer in a really, really bad way and an errand was able to see it in a intelligence thing.

And you were able to see the faces that it was resulting in and we all know what that is. I saw it on the law enforcement end of it after they get to where they're going because I've worked, you know, trafficking cases and I sat on those things and I've watched doors just see like how many men are going to be coming out of here. It you know. Can we see a younger female coming in and out and if we do like that's kind of the indication that that's where

it's happening. You don't know but they take it all over the place. They do all kinds of horrible things. So we've all seen this in our own sphere and these are three different governmental departments, under the cabinet three of what like 10 or 12 or however many cabinet-level positions. They all have massive failures. Is it 16 now? Yeah, I believe you our government probably used to have white like three when the was like three, guys. There's like a department of War.

This is Department of Commerce from something else. Now, it's, everybody's got a department for some reason, roads and transportation underneath it. They're all doing a great job when we got derailments and child trafficking and you know, we're going after pro-life activists. I find, I just read another article and you know, that was talking about indictments of people sitting outside of an abortion clinic of all things. So is there a yeah? Yeah.

What are some of the action items that people can do in their own world? Everybody always wants to know, it's like the scope of the problem. I think is, well, documented now at Leavin in the last hour and a half that we've been talking, what can people do concrete? You know, whether it's, who can they go to welcome it?

What can they do on their end? Because a lot of people feel powerless when they hear this stuff and either one of you, if you both have thoughts, I might stumble through minds. Are you want to go first, I'll go with you but. Okay. All right. Well, I would say call your local local legislators and ask them, right? Where are the children, right? Wet. What's happening? With all these children, who are coming into our state, where are they? And who are their sponsors?

So the big secrecy right now and the lack of transparency is around, who are Are the sponsors. So it's an easy fix. People just have to somehow get HHS to turn over the data. So it's probably going to be at a state level like Florida's doing Texas is doing and I think Utah's on the way to doing and after let's see what were the states, Minnesota, Nebraska, Kansas who had all these children found working in their slaughter houses. Maybe they're going to be the ones as well.

So find out and and and say, hey look, make the Federal Don't turn over this information to the states, and then, I would also say, call your federal people as well, call your Congressman, call your Senator and say, where are these children. So, it was on December 5th. That five Senators. Wrote a letter to secretary better settle. Who is the, you know, he's the head of HHS. He's the secretary and asked him to respond to these allegations. You know, is it true?

Are these children being trafficked, there's been no response as of yet. So they can call their representatives and say, hey, what's going on with that? What is the response of HHS to the fact that they've been accused of trafficking children? So, okay. So you're saying this their state legislatures, which are obviously much closer to home and have much smaller districts reaching out to those people. That's the first question. And then is there a concrete policy name that they should be

referencing? Because I know a lot of times these the questions have if we don't Point our questions, very very directly, IE they it's like, oh I don't know. But if you give them a thing that they can follow up on what is the name of the policies or programs you should be questioning about the program. So it is Health and Human Services. So HHS ACF, which is administration of Children and Families, then Orr office of refugee resettlement, then you see program.

So the unaccompanied children program God that's a mouthful. Do it backwards for him to tell them what the lowest level is is the office. Of unaccompanied children. So lowest level is the unaccompanied children program, okay? Which is under office of refugee resettlement, under Administration for Children and Families under Health, and Human Services. Yeah. All right. And Aaron you have some thoughts. Do you have for sure? It's complicated.

So Doug is the state government because all the big part on the thing too, is it's not just the federal government operating. This they have contractors was contact with the headquarters to Southern Oklahoma. Some, I look at some of them and there's, they received a lot of money. I believe a couple are no Bid And there's there's your heard buzzer for me, always to. It's like, you got another contract that we should look into that state government.

Definitely get teeth. If you don't know, ask, right guys. But I would also recommend, especially states, where they've already found these cases Got if you live in those areas, contact, your local media and like, ask more questions, get them more involved. Point them to these interviews that also tears down all sports. Uh, there's a lot of good information out here but um, I talked to a border patrol body mind and because I was asked, previously wants exactly I believe it.

This thing is, you know, this thing wants to be done because they need to labor trafficking too cheap and products, whatever. And if organizations is ok, if I call Molly quick, the For sure. Okay, watch yep, start. Yeah, start finally, get some boys out there. Full everything, you can that you can from all the government opponents are doing this. So that goes from DHS to HHS. I'm sure labor might be in there somewhere doj because they run

the program. Yep, there's a lot of information that they can start getting and it's just, I mean, centralized it. Like we have to start like ripping through it bit by bit, because there is a lot of information to go through. It's not going to be easy, except that one too. But you know, is it worth it? Yes, it's always been worth it as your kids and there's, there's nothing ever more deserving than protecting

children. So yeah, I definitely think government local media, but then organizations, like, Judicial, Watch and others. Let me just get involved, you know, start doing things that, you know, that you can do with your own powers because they might see things also that, like, I don't know about, I'm going to attorney. So I don't know how they would operate those ways. Maybe there's other angles, they can go at it too. There's a lot of possibilities and talk to your friends.

Keep it simple. Make memes the government's. The government's trafficking children. You know there's things you can do to start raising awareness in these things. Yeah, that's a very local thing to do. Do you have any church groups that have reached out to you guys, either either of you or is there something as being done on the, on the spiritual front?

Because I do know that the sum of the sum of the the big changes that we're seeing and particularly going after with doj and things like, that is when they start infringing on religious rights, I know people are starting to have a big Awakening in this country about their own personal faith and what their church needs to be doing an acting in the world. And I'm just curious that the answer may be, no, but are there any church that you see in pop up?

All right, so when you say church, I'm not quite sure, but I know that there's a lot of organizations that are called, like Catholic Charities. There's a Lutheran one, they're receiving a lot of money to do about his operations. These fake home studies, everything else, like there's a problem there as well about these is organization. So that's not a spiritual front. That's more of a like me.

No, but there are if you, if you know those organizations look into it, call them up, start demanding, things are getting information out of them as far as local church groups that I know about. I can't say, I'm Orthodox. Avoid, you know, I've talked to a few people, my church and actually it's kind of cool because two of them have actually worked with like honest trafficking before.

And so they've helped me find a few other people to be able to like, you know, kind of continuous and going cuz I'm not stopping with the whatever I can do it. But yeah, I know that's definitely a great one. I would love to figure out how to reach out to what I think are the most important people to for this to learn as far as an audience, I keep saying it's going to be moms and women because Is inherently a mean talking about caring for your kids? You're going to get from them.

Yep. So however we could talk to you know, I've been told him if you like Mom's for Liberties a few other ones out there, it's like we got to start talking to them. They got to start getting out to their networks and like getting people aware of these things and really just kind of you know and power of people just to do the pressure on organizations that are involved in these things. People. You know these things will succumb to pressure.

Yes, he will. Okay, if it's just like it's just like one when you get us. You know, it's like finally I can. I feel good now, we can go do this. It goes to the inverse way when you do the opposite and you put pressure on a bad thing, they will they will collapse quickly, it's just the got to feel it the follow on with that. So I got a McClane Bible Church and my pastor had gone to Nepal and talked a lot about the sex trafficking that was going on. And so he was one of the first

people who ever heard. Talk about sex trafficking, I just didn't know what was going on in the United States at this time and of Yes, I didn't know what was going on in this program, but there was, there are a couple organizations.

So Tim Tebow actually has an organization that's involved with child rescue, okay, not from trafficking and then there's a group called a 21. I think that's Christine, Caine International Justice Mission. So I learned about them, I don't know, maybe four or five years ago and so, but they are trafficking of children that are not Here in the United States as much. So there are organizations out there that are doing it. So, I don't know, specific

Church groups. But I know people, there are a lot of people who are in prayer over this. It's very interesting. Some of the people who I deployed with is very interesting, you know it's like you said you find that people with the courage to do these types of things, have their faith in God. And so one of the other women who from the DC area, We both deployed didn't know each other until we got to the Dallas

intake site and were found out. We were deploying together to Pomona. So, the whole team that went mono, we were all Spanish speakers. And so she's from Argentina, but here in the DC area and goes to a neighbouring church. And so there are a lot of really great people who are involved in trying to help that tell their churches about what's happening, right? Well no I think it's all about sentence after this too. Um, I'm because I'm not as warm as kind of a obviously.

So if someone has heard this conversation and then, like, do we talk about this way? Better ways of doing this, the Twitter handles are, I believe on the screen in our? Yeah, that's always going to ask is if you'll tell people how they can get in touch with you and how they can follow, you and find out the information that you guys are exposing, when it comes out so far away. I mean, my brother to go see it. It's at called out. The HS underscores in between,

you know, called a DHS. Yeah, I don't have any followers, I will respond to DMS or comments, you know, I've already had a few times and I always make good comments. Whenever someone like, you know, if I, my fault are of value, when I see people retweet those things, both be things. I always say like, hey, thank you, by the way, keep doing this with people need to hear these things that's all. Yeah, be engaging like you know, reach out.

Yep. And if you don't see this on Twitter or trousseau, She'll but I will be I will be tagging your handles when we put this out. So people can find you directly through the the tweets that were sharing and then we'll be in the show notes as well. So we'll give people ways to get in touch with you if they have questions. Or if they have suggestions, they have job opportunities for you are in the same sphere, is this kind of, what you think, your, your purpose is at this point?

Because I know you're now probably in between some income streams. Yeah. I was like you know that's my brain operates. I'm an analyst and I can't get off this thing. So right now is from expensive it and I feel like if I can't make sense of it I can't explain it better and moving explain it better than we can all look at it and like okay how can we tackle this thing? So somewheres in there I'm just trying to make that a thing but however works it works.

It's not getting paid is not going to stop me. Obviously this is a Is something so morally. Arming, I think that it's like we know these kids have to be saved us. Not just you know, because it sucks physically like this is a Miss. What? They are going through spear to themselves. I couldn't even imagine and it's just like if there's one good thing, I think I should do with this help. However, I can.

And whatever way I can. You know, if I'm not the best at whatever, let me be the best at something else and do whatever I can. Yep, I'm going to see if there's some organizational setup. Yeah, I'm familiar with some organizations that have sort of kinetic ends of things, but they all have a back-end. And I know that's probably the harder thing for To staff. So we'll try to see if we can

find some things on their folks. If you are aware of an organization that's looking for people that have analytical background, that understand how the federal government works that know what these problems are and you want to reach out to either to me or Aaron will put you guys in touch. Tara, what is what is the ways that people can follow you and

keep track of you? Yeah, so I don't really have any social media except my Twitter, so I'm at tearily Rodas at Twitter so you can find me there and if you reach out to me, I'll definitely get back to you. If you have any suggestions, you know, I'm new to this. I did not intend, I can assure you. I did not intend to blow the whistle on child trafficking. I did not even know it existed in the program that I went to help. So I'm learning and I want to learn as much.

As I can, because I do want to learn how I can best help. So, please reach out to me. If there are resources that I should have, you know, I'm trying to read things. So I want to learn. And if there's anything, I can do to help or shed light, I'd be happy to help in that way. I love it. It is something that I think that we all share in common that, you know, I don't know that we ever know why God puts us in a place that we are in, but does give us the resources to be able to handle these

things. Not necessarily in our time, but in his. So I feel the same way about a lot of this stuff. It's become a calling of certain types and one of them is that I'm going to help kind of expose your story. Just from my personal perspective, I just wanted to tell both of you that I thought the things that you guys did were the most important. It may not be the biggest story either really big on Pfizer, but the most important thing that project Veritas has done is

exposed this. And when I watch that story and, and the folks that I talked to a Veritas were like, oh, have you seen our story? It's like, holy crap. That is the Eight of what real what real exposure looks like to me. And I don't think the things that, you know, what I'm doing is just trying to keep did, you know, DHS or doj and the FBI out of people's private lives. I would be really great if they would just leave people alone,

this is active evil. That is being perpetrated in a much much nastier way and it is resulting on children who are the most vulnerable of us. And if we don't look out for children, we don't look for anybody. That's that's the fundamental Western value is looking out because Children of the future one way another. Like if you don't care about your future then why are we doing anything? So I want to thank both you

guys. Guys, for what you've been doing, I'm going to have producer, Phil Reed as quick a little kind of outro here. He's got a couple of things. Folks, if you are liking what you hear, please do follow the Kyle surface, you'll please put some comments out there. Well like I said we'll make connections if there's

questions. I know that Aaron and Tara will both be looking at these things and we'll we'll share this around social media but moreover I want this this message is not going to go away, we cannot let this stuff go quietly into the night because we're all paying for it. We're all complicit with our tax dollars, whether we like it or not. And we've got to make sure this kind of stuff doesn't happen on our watch without some fight

back. So Phil, if you got a five star review from one of our lovely listeners, if you would give us a read on that and anything else you want to add on the end notes Here? Yeah, sure. We get a nice one. That came in just a couple days ago from one Daddy to writing, awesome. Interviewer. You certainly have a way of staying on focus and bring out the subjects that I want to know about both outwardly and inwardly.

This all is a spiritual issue. Not realizing that would make this craziness in the world, much more difficult to understand. Listen to you, on the MLK podcast. Let's find out about that one. Kyle then tuned in to your podcast for the Next 3, + H bless you Darren. Thanks, Darren. Thanks Darren. I don't know what the MLK products is. We got some questions now folks, if you like, what you heard, you can hear stuff like this. Every Monday and Tara and Aaron, we will have you guys both back

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