ACQUITTED: Eric Molitor & the Whitmer Kidnapping | Ep 164

Take a look behind the curtain with the real whistleblower in American Patriot. Prepare to embrace the uncomfortable truth, because this programme has no time for comforting lies. Here is civil liberties enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI agent Kyle Saraf. Hello my friends, and welcome to the Kyle Serafin Show. Today is Thursday, October the 26th and we are finally back to bringing you some of the interviews. It's time to unleash some of

this arsenal of knowledge. Today's interview is going to be with Eric J Molitor. Where is that name? From where have I heard that before? You heard it because he is one of those who was recently acquitted in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case. He was brought up on state charges after his work with the FBI and all of the sort of chaos that went on. We're going to be telling his story today. I want to give you a little bit of back story before we do.

Number one, he was incredibly nervous about having that conversation, specifically because I used to work for the FBI. Seems pretty reasonable. So we talked for a little bit beforehand more than I normally do with folks before we do an interview. And I think you're going to be very impressed with how honest and how how raw this story is. It is a an incredible sort of problem to see and to be on the other end of the police state,

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Eric Molitor Strap in, folks. This one's a little bit tough. Alright, Eric, I want to thank you for joining me. Think Eric's story is gonna be really compelling to you, and I think you're really gonna wanna hear it. And some of it we're gonna have to fence off just because of the legal situation. Yeah. So Eric, thanks so much for joining me on the Serafin show.

Thanks again man. Alright buddy, look, this is going to be kind of an awkward conversation in some ways for you, I think, because you've got a lot of fear. Tell people why you have some distrust and some fear about telling your story. Well, I I'm afraid that the government might possibly get a hold of what I say and chop it up and try to come after me again. I was warned that they might do that and that is something they tried to do during my original trial.

And it's hard for me to trust people because after I got the not guilty verdict, I had a friend come out and tell me that they were actually a confidential human source against me personally. And uh, yeah. So I'm I'm, I'm always nervous anytime I do an interview. I'm always nervous, at least at first. But once I warm up, they'll get better.

I have no doubt about it. You just mentioned a confidential human source that was into you give people, the people that don't know what what is the case that they have read in the headlines that that you were involved in because that's where we're going to start going to start way back. But I want people to kind of have a taste of where we're going to end up with this. OK? My name is Eric James Molitor. I was accused of terrorist support or support of a terrorist organisation and the

Governor Whitmer kidnap plot. Which my friend Julie Kelly refers to as the the Governor Whitmer fed napping because there were so many feds involved and you just kind of gave us a little taste that you found out that some of your friends were in fact confidential human sources for the FBI, My former employer, I'd like to call our sort of my vindictive ex girlfriend. So I want to start back at the beginning. Let's give people a picture who you are. You're you're a regular guy.

Your your regular human being. Tell me where you grew up and tell me kind of a little bit about your childhood, if you would. I think there's probably some, some, some things people will relate to in that, OK, I grew up in Cadillac, MI. It's a fairly small town where we do a lot of tourism around here, so it's really pretty actually. I grew up on a hobby farm with my mom and my two siblings and Amy and Jerry. Amy is my older sister. Jerry is my younger brother.

There is a lake right by our place. And you know, we used to go swimming all the time, go play in the woods. We'd ride our bikes down to the corner store and get soda. Some people call it pop or candy. We play with the neighbourhood kids. You know, we had like a little baseball diamond in their front yard. We kept mowed down or we play basketball. My grandpa set up a basketball hoop for us. There's a typical American childhood. I mean, it sounds better than a lot of typical ones.

Did you guys have animals on this hobby farm or you just growing stuff? We had horses and lots of dogs and cats. Lots of dogs and cats. I'm. I think a lot of people would be jealous of the horses. Thing was, did your neighbours have animals too? Is that? I mean, were you guys on a little bit of property? Yeah, we had 10 acres. So originally it was like 80 acres when my grandpa owned it. And then we started selling it off. When I was younger they started

selling the property off. But yeah, the neighbours had horses and one of our neighbours was actually Sergeant for the DNR. So she was really cool, you know, we go over and pat her horses and whatnot. What is? What is DNR Department of Natural Resources? I got it. OK. So she was working for like the law enforcement end of, I don't know, like what game wardens or something. Yes. OK, fair enough. I haven't heard you mention your

dad at all. Can you tell us a little bit about what your your dad's story is? So I didn't know my dad. I didn't meet him until I was old. He ended up coming back to Michigan and wanted to try to connect with his kids. So is that really too much to tell there? We did formal relationship. I still talked to him today. I'm really grateful that he's back in my life while he was younger. You know, I'm, I'm kind of glad he took off actually. He was an alcoholic and a drug

addict and he was violent. So I'm I'm actually personally happy he wasn't around because I didn't get to experience that so. Yeah, that sounds tough. Was that, how did that affect you as a as a kind of a young man or a young teenager? As a young man, it it really hurt. I remember, you know, looking around and seeing other people with their dads and you know, when dad had come to the schools or whatever and you know, it always stood out. Obviously.

It's like, well, I don't get one of those, but I mean it was rough, you know, and watching my mom being single parent her the whole time, you know, she raised three kids by herself and it was, it was hard not having a father. Yeah, I've got to imagine that was incredibly difficult. My my wife tells me about when her parents got divorced and she was a teenager. She was 16 and it was one of the most devastating things that affected her for years

afterwards. And I could imagine it 13 is even more formed, especially for a young man. How did how did that manifest? Did you have any, you know, acting out or behaviours that were kind of representative that that lack of male guidance? Oh yes, and especially looking back on it now, if there is a male role model in the house, I definitely want to acted the way that I did. Men have such an integral part to their children.

They offer their little girls. They represent what you know, what they should expect in a man, and for a little boy, it's how to be a man. You know how to be socially acceptable. We're we're part of a society, man. Like, it's it's my job to protect and teach, you know, so. It makes a lot of sense. So without that role model, without, they're like, like dads are like guardrails, right? Like you get on one side, you get bashed by your dad. He's just strains.

Yeah, you get on the other side. Maybe your your older brother strains you out. You got men in your life that do that. You're missing a guardrail. Did that manifest? And going through school, things like that, Ohm it did. I'm I'm uncomfortable talking about some of those things just because of what I have going on right now. I know you got into a little bit of trouble going through you. You ended up leaving high school, right? I ended up leaving middle school. Yes.

Eighth grade. Middle. School. OK, interesting. And then, so you started working, correct? I started working. I was 15 years old. And were you a good worker? I was not a good worker for the first couple of years that I started working. I was a terrible worker, terrible employee. I didn't understand how jobs actually worked, that you need to be responsible. They needed to rely on me. I wasn't aware how how important each individual person's role is

in a company. Being 15, you know, I show up, I I'd be annoyed for a few hours and I make some money. Well, I know way better now, especially after being a supervisor and whatnot. You know, if I could go back, Definitely kick my own butt. Yeah, I think that's something that's probably most men can look back on. I mean, if you weren't just a complete moron by the time you were well, maybe 25, you start straightening things out. I was still making weird decisions 2526.

So you you look back into your life and you think, you know how how could have done that better, but you would be the person you are today. People are looking. If you're listening on our audio channel, you're not seeing this. But Eric sitting here with a a nice pair of glasses on, he's got a button up shirt and he's wearing a collar and looks like a grown up. But you know, we all do dumb things when we're kids, right? Yes. What about, you know, kind of walk me through the path, What

were your jobs? What kind of jobs did you hold? If you're a 15 year old kid and you're it's got to be tough because you don't have a, you know, you don't have that educational background people are looking for. Do you have a high school diploma? You know, do you have a college degree, et cetera? So what kind of jobs could you get into? So the only jobs that I was eligible for was food service. So, you know, Burger King, McDonald's being a dishwasher, stuff like that. OK.

And then as you did, you end up going back and finishing your GED. I did end up going back and getting my GD. This is when they started coming out with like online GD courses. So and then I supplemented that with adult education at night time as well. So I could really get a leg out and then whatever, I could study outside of that stuff. So I'd actually go get like like math was my worst subject and I knew that I would fail the GD

just based on math alone. I found this stuff called Vedic math, and it's it's just a whole different way of looking at stuff when it comes to math. And it made more sense to me, like I couldn't learn the ways of the schools tried to do it. It was difficult for me to do it that way. But this stuff a whole different light. Anyways, I pass the GED so I did end up getting. But. I'll tell you something kind of funny. I got a buddy who's an FBI

agent. He's out Montana and he's the only FBI agent that I know, which is always kind of a kind of a white collar background job, right? You, you, you've seen feds, you've been around them, unfortunately now more than you want to be, but a lot of them are, you know, what's what's a good high schools, what's a good colleges, etcetera, etcetera. And he's the only guy I know that's got a GED. And he literally just left high

school because he was bored. You went to college and then he wanted to join the Marine Corps. They told him he needed a he needed the college degree or an equivalency and he went out and passed the GED test and then went to war because I was his. Damn, those are the kind of feeds that I like, hanging out with kind of interesting dudes who had real stories. In their background, not the cookie cutter types who were probably probably willing to say yes when they probably shouldn't

have said yes. So alright, so you're working on an odd jobs. You've got a GED, now you know how, how are you moving forward in your life? How did you kind of did you have a transition when you went from. I'm kind of a punk kid doing punk things, and I'm now trying to be a man that's doing the right thing. There was a very long transition, so unfortunately it took me a lot longer than it does. I guess you say the average person.

I'm almost 40 now. I'd say around 2829 is really when I started to really pull my head out of my own butt. And what was the 1st? Yeah, What was the step there? One of the first things that really got me. I was in a relationship with a girl and I was, I was drinking

and whatnot. Anyways, we got an argument and she said that she was going to leave and I in that moment I realised that, you know, she might not come back and the way that I was was very harmful to being around other people and it was 100% of me. Like I said, I know she'd come

back. So I called rehab and I got myself into rehab to to straighten out and I even told her even if we don't get back together, like I realise that this is detrimental to any being around anybody and I need to change myself regardless, even if you take me back. So it was it was an eye opener right there, because I cared about her a lot. You at that time. Oh my gosh, 28. OK that's. I think a lot of guys gotta get themselves together.

I feel like I started getting myself together at 27, so I won't hold it against you. And and I had all the advantages of having to dad around to kind of put that guardrail up and put the smack down when it needed to be done. So at 28 you decided to check yourself into rehab. How did that go? It was terrible. It hurt. You know, I was, I was drinking a lot. So no, I was actually an

alcoholic when I got in there. And they did the, you know, they got to do tests and whatnot, see, check everything on you. They said I didn't have much longer to live, and that was a good whack up alongside the head. I went into detox first, and I was only able to stay for three days because the next bed that opened in the in the hall was

available in three days. You typically get five to seven days in detox because once you go in the hall, you don't get any medications to help wean off. So after three days I got put over there and I'll tell you what the pain it was just it was intense. It was insane. I remember staying in bed for a couple of days, just stomach, just rack, body rack. But rehab was very interesting. Hearing a lot of the same

stories. You know, like we obviously people come from different parts of Michigan and whatnot, but like to hear the kind of the causes of why people do the things they do. There's a commonality amongst users and it was really eye opening which gave me a different perspective on how to how to think for myself. Like, you know, why do I want that drink? No, you don't need it. And to this day, like now, I don't drink. Like at all. I don't drink now. What were those common threads

that you were, you were hearing? A lot of it that you would hear is a lack of a father figure in the house that I don't know why, but predominantly a lack of a a male role model, a positive male role model, parents not caring about their kids so much like like people saying that they, you know, stay out all the time. The parents won't even ask them where have you been? You know, we're worried about you and just a lot of childhood

trauma things. There's a lot of molestation, especially with the females in there. You know, they hear a lot about that, unfortunately. And also with males, it's this is something people don't talk about is molestation with males, you know, because we don't come forward for the most part. But it's very it's out there, man. Was that surprising? It it was there was really surprising. You still think about men being a victim of something like that?

But I think they say that there that actually when you include what goes on in prison, that there's actually more sexual assaults against males in this country than there against females, even though we only associate it in in sort of common society with with females. So it's there. Yeah. And I see why people do that, but that that's kind of a rule to the OR the exception to the rule, you know what I mean? Like women get sexually assaulted outside of a prison.

So when you put nothing but men with high testosterone and aggressive like you talk about the alphas of alphas, there's going to be that's going to happen. You know for I don't think that they should be completed together. Personally, that's my opinion on. Yeah, it's rough. It's also interesting to think about the fact that a lot of people think they're doing a nice thing for their kids by giving them a lot of rope. But so many of us just need a stronger hand, you know, more guidance.

At that young age, it's the opposite. Just because they look human. Exactly. It's the exact opposite. You know, I mean, God even says right in the Bible, you know, they they they were here to guide them, to teach them and if they get out of line, to put them back in line. That is my job handed down to me by God. You know, I have to do this. And I take that seriously. I have, you know, I have two kids of my own. I've. Got about to ask that. So we're sitting here in 2023.

You have kids, you have. What's your family situation? So I am unfortunately divorced now, but my ex wife and I had two beautiful kids. My son is Aiden, he's 10 years old. And my daughters, Hazel, she's 8 years old and they're the best thing I've ever done. And that's something. And are and you're present in their life pretty frequently. As much as I can be. She lives down in Grand Rapids. I get every other weekend with them. That's our winter schedule.

Summer is every other week. Yeah, we swap weeks. I used to have custody of them, actually, until the FBI decides to lie about me. Love it. Alright, well that's kind of walking us up into there. And then the last thing in this all goes down in like what 2020? This is kind of when the wild stuff. Can you give us kind of the precursors to how you got involved with the group that that ended up having the FBI come through your door. What's the, what sort of led you

there? What sort of mindset did you have? And then like you know what kind of friends were you make. So this is where most of the time is going to be needed describing this stuff, right? So during 2019-2020, everybody saw the civil unrest that was happening in their country. We're watching places get burned down, police cars and police precincts being taken over. I mean are you freaking kidding me that this stuff doesn't

happen in America? People were dying on the streets were watching murders happen because they were trying to defend their their businesses and home towns and whatnot. So you know we got, we got here watching the the police be told to stand down. Well, they don't have enough people to to actually do anything. So what we were doing, me and some groups were treating like a civil Defence Force, right, so we could help take care of our

community and our people. I've actually once stood down in Muskegon, which is about 80 miles away from me with a friend to help secure their place and they did have antique go down those. Anyway, I'll get to that. Right. So we're seeing all. I'm sorry there's so much like rabbit trailing that happens. But because there's so much that happened during this time, what I wanted to do was start with civil Defence Force anyways.

And we actually got to start with me and my friend Kelsey, which service will Defence Force. We actually had a police liaison, Duff Looter, who used to work for the Sheriff's Department. And so we anytime we got information, we run it through him. He would run it to the actual police and come back to us. Yes, that's legit or no, that's not legitimate. So we knew how to keep setting things up. We worked with bylaws, with the police, We were never there to supersede them.

We're only there to supplement to help out. Majority of the time it was only observed and report. So this is, this is what I was in. Well anyways we ended up getting some pictures of Vance with licence plates like real pictures gave it had it run. He come back and said yes, this is the same things that we're hearing about. We're hearing the Antifa and BLM, the the rioters that were attached to these crowds were coming up and holding up in like outlying areas.

So if you ever coming to Cadillac to do the riots that actually destroy stuff, they stay in like Luther or Leroy and hotels and motels out there and then come in during the during the riots to do deeds and then book it out. So yeah. How big is city is Cadillac? How many people have their population wise? Oh crap, I couldn't tell you, man. I mean, ballpark, is it like 100,000? Is it a million? Oh no, it's more than 100,000 now. OK, so it's a medium sized city

then. Yeah, it's a medium sized city. Yeah, During this time, remember when Covert First kind of came out, when the government was talking about COVID, they said you can't get together in large groups. So I was with a Prepper group at that time and we were having online class because we wanted to kind of like we didn't want to get in trouble for actually getting together. So we had an online class. I was running the iPad class, individual first aid kit. I have a little bit of a medical

background. So I was offering that and that's why I saw this out of box guy for the first time, right? Prepper Group was Wexford in my county and surrounding counties. Like a buffer zone. Who can, who set it up? Was awesome. He did a good job. Adams from Grand Rapids, so I don't know why he was in that group. Wasn't my business. Anyways, I'm running the class, you know, there were some questions. That's when I saw Adam for the first time, you know? So again.

I'm doing platform. Are you guys? What are you organising on? Is this on Reddit? Is this on YouTube? Like where are you guys doing these things? I believe it was just a zoom class instead of zoom. How do people find you though? How do they know to even come and do an eye fat class with

you, Let's say thank you. So Ken Varney actually started this prepper group and so he kind of brought people in and so. Whenever he nails and saying, hey, we're going to do a zoom call, I'm just kind of curious like what the and the reason why And I'll tell you why. I'm curious, when people get lured into FBI schemes, there's always some hook that comes in there.

The FBI finds them in some ways. And I'm curious if we can, if we know how they sort of got involved with you or how they became aware of your group based on where you guys were. Yep. So Ken, yeah, he was not involved by the way. They actually investigated him too. He's a former felon. He was not a CHS. I guess some paperwork describing how they looked into him. He wasn't even a a thought in their head, blah blah blah. But anyway, so yeah, that's where I saw Adam for the first

time, right? Second time I saw him. I was doing helping with security at Rosa Parks Circle in Grand Rapids and I saw him out in the crowd. Dudes got a pretty recognisable face. That's how you know. So I see him. I'm like, hell, yeah. So I went over and I shook his hand. That's how I, you know, actually met, met the guy. So anyways, back to what I was

saying about the police liaison. He gets this stuff and I ask Adam, he'll be we're here in the coming up and down South and the Grand Rapids, the South. Let's see. I was like, you know, where we have Intel on this stuff? Actually showed him the pictures. I was like, if you heard anything, have you seen anything? No, No. Yeah, these are the vans, the actual pictures. And so I asked them, if you do, just let us know, you know, so this was our, this was our relationship.

We don't know each other, man. I saw him. I went and shook his hand. We stayed in contact here, there, just over. Good guys stuff, because he was also standing in Lake Lansing and Grand Rapids during these riots to try to help protect businesses as well. Everything this guy talked about was all positive. He want to do things the right way. The dude got high, you know? I was like, yeah, we can be good friends. Like, he seemed really cool.

So, OK, where am I at now? Starting the Civil Defence Force. So yeah, I asked him about that. I'm sorry. It takes me a second to catch up sometimes because you're good for me. This is this is 3 years just jumbled up in my head and I'm trying to get it out in the nearly for you. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I'm going to help kind of guide you through. What I'm curious is you use the word civil Defence Force. Tell me what that looks like in your head. What?

What is a civil Defence Force? So the civil Defence Force is people. So it's the civilians actually standing up and protecting their towns and each other. So defence is exactly what it means, only defensive. We're not there to hurt anybody to start shit. We will stop it. But yeah, that's it. Just defensive and a force. So people coming out and mass to show force, you know, because if you look like a hard target, you're not going to get messed with near as much, you know

that. So the more people show up, especially armed, especially if you got kit, you're not getting messed with. And we actually did. Cadillac was protected, but people did try to stage backpacks with bricks in them. They were found, so this was a real threat that was coming up here. This is the typical situational awareness. They did this in Idaho very effectively too. People would come marching in with the BLM nonsense.

There were a bunch of guys that showed up and said hey, we're all retired military and you can't do this in our town. And then they turned around, went somewhere else and found someone, somewhere to go destroy. So understood, OK, so it's a group of people, mutual aid, civil defence and and what what numbers were you guys? Like how many people were organising for this?

So the first time they went out, I actually wasn't part of it because I was doing private security for some you, some US Marshals had a business and I worked for them. I was downstate on the Ohio border, so I was kind of helping, you know, just hearing things and talking while while that was going on. But there was like 200 people that showed up and what we did was we organised on Facebook so it was completely open. The public could see it. We weren't trying to do anything legal at all.

Obviously this is all good guys stuff, so that's how that's how they all found out about it. Yeah, when I heard two, around 200 people showed up just for just for the group alone, not not even the other citizens. There's like 300 people all together. That was really nice to hear that people took such an interest in the awareness of people to know that this is a dangerous situation, but nothing happened, nobody got hurt. So it was.

Perfect. Were there any conflicts on that first kind of outing there with the 203 hundred people be LMT for type engagement? One of my friends told me that some of the ringleaders, I don't know how they know who ringleaders are. I wasn't aware, but he said that there was a BOM leader and an Antifa leader that were there and when he went up to confront them because he actually wanted to ask them questions that they actually booked it out of there so that there was that confrontation.

Other than that, no everybody minded. People fuse. Keep walking me forward through this thing cause I know we're going to get some real spicy pretty soon. Yeah, So the Civil Defence Force, Adam, running the stuff through Adam. So that was my that was my interactions with Adam, right. We're not friends. We've never hung out. After a little bit, he gets ahold of me and asked if I wanted one to cover a shift for him because he had this meeting in Ohio, but I know what that meeting is now.

I didn't that he said it was a national militia meeting. That's not uncommon with the groups that I ran with. To hear about this, I asked him, yeah, what's the job? He said private security. Holy cow dude. I've been wanting to get in this for a long time. Are you kidding me? Like, what a dream come true. I said yeah. So I went and stood for him and Sam like me so much. He was a Sam Riley the US

Marshall there. He liked that I would just show up at a whim and and do this for him that he actually hired me on. So I was really grateful to Adam forgetting me this. Do the best money I've ever made. That was insane. Like minimum $400.00 a day. I was so happy. So there's that connection. Um, a little bit later and I I have these tax due. I have the tax everything. I have everything. You know it's I didn't know what was going on. Adam gets ahold of me and asked

if I want to go on a ride. OK And I asked him, yeah, what do you got in mind. He simply said a high profile vacation house. There is nothing said about Governor Whitmer or anything else. So with everything else that I have going on doing good guys stuff, actually being in in league with the police and and everything else, I'm thinking OK, have profile vacation house or is it somewhere that antique BLM are going to get smarter.

They going to hold up in a private residence now instead of like outline hotels and motels because you aren't going to be seen in a prior residence. That's a genius. Or is this a place that they're looking at you destroyed? I have no idea. But everything that Adam and I was was talking about and everything that we were involved in, even independently, all this good guys stuff, my only mindset is protection, protection, protection. So I said, yeah, I don't even know where we're going.

Like I said, I have a little bit of a reporter with this guy. He seems cool. I know red flags, man. Yes, let's go do whatever it is. So if I go too fast, may I feel free to stop because I do get to ramble. Anyways, Him and Dan. Dan was the CHS guy, never met this dude in my life, don't know him at all. They they end up coming up to my place from Lansing, right?

Adam did send me a picture of the map and it said, you know, is there in Lansing something about I thought it said Belair and then Mackinaw Island. I'm like, I don't know what all they got going on. I don't need to ask you. They'll fill me in. So anyways, yeah, they come up, they come in the house. Dan asked if he could use the bathroom because they had to go pee. Of course, you know, I'm not going to said yes. So this guy comes in and this is how they scope your house out.

This is how they get your layout. So he came in. Adam and I end up getting high. They didn't talk about anything illegal. Broken marijuana is that, yeah, me and Adam were. Dan didn't smoke. He said he couldn't because of his job. Yeah, we know why. But my mom was there. Well, and the FBI tried to say that she smoked with us too, and she did not smoke with us, So that was a lie. Like trying to paint my mom in this negative light as well. Anyways, they didn't talk about

anything illegal. At one point. They did talk about boosting a car now. OK, red flag, right? But the owner knows about it and they're running it as like a FTX sort of thing. Like the guy said, yeah, you can try to boost my car if you can get it. You got it, you know? So we put out the. Taxes. FTX is a field training exercise and these are where you will go and either learn or hone your skills.

Whether it's medical shooting so weapons manipulation or even breaking it up and down how to clean it. We just get together as militias and like minded people and train each other on militia style things. So there's a lot that goes into. That yeah, I know it's military terminology, it's just sometimes acronyms go over people's heads, so I just want to break it down. But this is a training exercise, people getting together and doing some form of guided

training in a group. And the idea of doing a. Of of boosting a car as part of a training. What was the the training value that was there If you're boosting a car, I had no idea that that was the person I heard of it. So I have no clue.

And and honestly there's so let's say there's like a shit hits the fan situation, a grid down situation, something like that you lost kind of go out the window and if you need to do something for your survivability or the benefit of your group, you and yours, you know boosting cars, the least of our worries at this point. So whatever they have going on, that's their business. It's outside of my purview at this point. They haven't talked to me about it. I don't care.

Plus, they had mentioned that the guy knew about it and was cool with it. I seriously have no worries whatsoever. I'll give people kind of a little bit of context on that too. I have friends who were wildland firefighters and when they're working behind fire lines where everything is going to get burned, they will do that. They will steal vehicles, they will Hotwire, you know, tractors and equipment.

They will use it for things. They'll take come into peoples houses which are about to get burned and they'll eat their food because they're living off the land, they're foraging and everything's about to get burned and covered by insurance. So this is, this is a survival type mindset that's a little bit different than what most people deal with. But if you're in the prepper world, it makes sense to me.

It doesn't like that Doesn't I agree with you, that's not necessarily a flag off the top, no, no. So thank you for expounding on that because yeah, there's there's some nuances that go on that that make it make sense. So anyways we we finished smoking. We start walking out the door. I previously bought this RF detector that's a radio frequency detector. So again, right. Why would somebody have this.

So being in private security, not knowing Jack crap about it, I want to move up. You know it's very competitive And so I'm watching YouTube videos like these experts what to do, what not to do. This one guy, he was talking about how he has an RF detector and when he brings his principles out, the principles of the people that you're protecting, then he will want either the car they're about to get into, the the conference room, their hotel room.

Now obviously this is stuff that you do outside of their view. You don't let your person come up on and not secured area. So this when you do in front of them, it's not about actually being efficient, it's to make them feel comfortable. So I bought the cheapest piece of crap I could find. It was like 50-60 bucks for this thing.

I don't know how it really works, you know, it was just some to make other people feel comfortable and I want to move up and my bosses were talking to me about moving up. So anyways, I saw on the way out the door and I was like, oh cool, it's something to show off, man, being a dude and being in the groups that you were and you know how guys are, but you get a gun, you get equipment, make you want to show the stuff and it's. Based on your time, yeah.

So I show him the RF device outside and it's on audio because Dan, of course, is wired. And so we have everything, man. I I got the full 5 hour audio. So I'm showing showing them how it works. It's got to be like right on top of whatever it is. So Dan had his phone in his hand and yeah, it beeped, Oh wow, I found your phone in your hand like this. So fucking spectacular. So then Adam, he's like, oh man, bring that to the FTX in a couple of weeks.

So that was my first time hearing about the FTX. And of course I'm going to go. It's in Luther right behind me. I don't have to go to Wisconsin or way downstate. Yep, I'm going to go. I would have went whether Adam one or not. I would have taken my RF device whether I was asked to or not because yeah, I'm going to show that off. So anyways, I want to put it back in the house and we get in the truck as soon as I get in. Adam does make what I consider a dark joke.

He said OK, so we're going to go up to the Temperatures house and we're going to hurt scope out her house and with her because the Tyrant Bitches house. Did you know who he was talking about at the time? Just out of curiosity, assume like, I had an idea, but you know, no, you know, nothing explicit. Anyways, he said they were going to blow up her boat and she gets another one.

We're going to blow that one up. If she gets another one, we're going to blow that one up. And then he starts laughing maniacally. Dude, that was a joke. I don't care how inappropriate and dark it was. And the reason behind this, like being angry about a boat in them is because her husband, during the COVID lockdowns and all that, trying to get his boat put in there, the Marina. And the guy said no, you know, it's it's too early still.

And he said, does it make a difference if I'm the governor's husband? Yeah, dude, so. I remember that. I remember that press coming out at the time and it being absurd because her husband was flexing on on just individual people while she was locking down the state. So you know, all this stuff rings true to me. I was following Michigan because Michigan had some pretty rough lockdowns. Oh man. Yeah, we sure did. So, yeah, so people were upset about that.

And I've heard other dark jokes specifically about about about their boat, you know, So this it was worrisome to hear it. But also with what little bit I knew of Adam, I wasn't it wasn't like, oh, that's Red flag. Get the fuck out of the truck. You know these are a bunch. Of guys sitting in a in a in a vehicle together. Like on a road trip, right? And Dan, right. So Dan's driving Adams and the passenger and I'm right behind Adam in the in the back.

So anyways, he says that I'm like whatever, you know, in my head, you know those old rubber stamps that are like rejected or revoked. So and I when he said that in my head, I just saw it coming out of the black and caching. And so I laughed. I was like, oh man, you I saw this in my head. So that was the contribution. The FBI called that a discussion. We discussed following up for Vote No and you said we just did. Yeah, yeah.

It's the equivalent. What people do on Twitter, well though somebody will say something like inappropriate and somebody else will go disavow. You know, the the it's just being silly. It's it's there's a there's a common there's an Internet meme about this whole sort of thing. I mean, saying disavow when somebody says something inappropriate for inappropriate humour. It happens all the time anyway. OK, this is yet another example of feds not having a sense of humour, it turns out.

But alright, carry on. Only when they say it is it ever funny. And I got a couple of points on that. Like some people in FBI saying we got a saying in our office, don't let the facts in the way of a good story or something like that. Are you freaking kidding me? Agent Influence. Hendrick. Envelope. Impala. They were terrible human being. Anyways, where was I Do. I'm sorry, I just got mad. So. You're sitting in the back seat. You're riding, you're riding, bitch.

You got two guys that are both now and Adam was working with the with the feds as well, right? That's the story. No, Adam is not one of the. OK, got it. All the facts of this case are gonna be a little so. Alright, so Dan is a either an agent or a CHS. Which what is he the HS? He's the original CHS, actually. All right. So he's working for the FBI and that's why he's not smoking.

And and Dan is that's, I'm sorry, he's Dan is driving and Adam is sitting in the passenger seat telling silly jokes and making fun of Gretchen Whitmer in her boat. Yep, made one joke. Drive forward. Keep going. So I'd also like to point out at this point that my crime supposedly was that I took a video up there that was my material support. So Dan coming in and casing my house previous to me actually doing anything, I'd like to point out how weird that is.

I was already being looked at and set up before I even did what I was accused of, You know what I mean? Like, that's really weird to think. About we'll dissect this, I'll I'll dissect it with you, and we'll actually show it out to people how this kind of stuff works later. I want to hear the story. Rear end of it. And and then we'll talk about how the FBI does this stuff for sure.

OK, so then after that dark ass joke, we drive for an hour, hour, and 20 minutes, however long it took up to what I assumed was Bel Air, I found out. Seriously, not too long ago. It was Elk Rapids we went to. So I wasn't even in the right area in my head the whole time up there. And I'm telling you, I got 5 hour fricking audio. I'll send it to you dude, it's insane. They never talked about this the whole way up, so I didn't have any knowledge beforehand.

I didn't have any knowledge on the way, not once we got up into Elk Rapids. So that's when they start talking. Adams started talking about her address. OK, we're, you know, we're looking for House. Still seem weird. Governor Whitmer boom. That's what we're even right now. Hearing that, I get busy and my gut just drops. That's when I realised what was actually happening. And I didn't know the severity

of stuff. You know, like, I just know that they said we're, you know, scoping out of the House. Governor Whitmer, boom. That's scary. Then they start talking about more stuff. Now I'm sitting in the back. Dan was a professional door kicker for the military. He was a forward observer. If you don't know where that is, people, that is, somebody goes behind enemy lines and lights them up with the laser so artillery can take them out. This guy would.

He did dangerous work. He's a combat veteran. He showed video. He was legitimate, you know? So yeah, I'm worried. These guys just picking from my house, they know where, you know, I live, where my mom is, where my kids are at. So you know, they're talking about this stuff, this guys professional shit kicker with a gun at him is a steroid person, you know, and he's got a gun as far as I knew at that point. I'm fucking scared. Yes, I have my gun on me and this guy brought up too.

Why? Well, you know, why were you so worried you had your gun, bro? Because I got a gun. I want to shoot somebody. No, man, that's the last thing I want to do. I have to sit back and behind these guys and think about that, Like how does this go down if I if I have to do something and that hurt me having to think about hurt somebody else, but if I had to, I have to. One of the things that I thought about was, you know, do I tell him I got to go to the bathroom, going to fucking gas station,

called cops and then what? Cops show up. Now there's a gunfight. Our innocent people are going to get shot or police officer is going to die. So in the moment, with no training, no backup, no funding, no Expo plan like all the FBI had in their CHS is I had fucking nothing. You know? I had to figure out in the moment how to survive. I can't tell. No, I'm not cool with this. Please stop and drop me off. How far are they willing to go

to keep me quiet? They just talked about kidnap and whatever else right in front of me. No, man, I'm not going to let on that. I'm not. OK. So when they finally found the house. Before, before we go any further in this this conversation, because this is actually fascinating stuff and I and I absolutely agree with all the things that you're you're working through. This is.

The the inner workings that they would, they would normally have to say this is your intent and your intent is, it sounds like, very different. You were acquitted of all this stuff. That's really wild. Yes, so because I did not have the time. Because this is, this is already come out and this is already been put in front of a jury. So we're telling your story after the fact. I just want to put that out there for people you're going through.

This has already been ruled on. This is not like a fantasy. This is not pending. This is done. This has already been looked at by a jury. So keep telling the story, but as people do that, I want them to have that in their head as well. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Not guilty by all 12. So that says a lot. Anyways, yeah, so I have to sit there and think about so much. So I can't even tell you everything that I thought about. Time stopped, you know?

Like people were like, well, how long between this and that, You know, did that happen? Dude, time didn't matter. I didn't give a fuck. About 10 minutes, 5 minutes. My life is on the line. It was an eternity. Let me tell you how long it was. A fucking eternity, OK? These guys, They finally found her. Found the address, so they drove all the way from Lansing with no address. OK, they were not planned. They didn't have it planned out. This was not legitimate.

They were up there, just fucking off, but found the address. How do you find out? You have any idea? There is another gentleman, Sean Fix, who got real close. Real close. It was like he was like a number off or whatever. But Adam eventually ended up hunting it down completely, I believe on Dan's phone because I hadn't didn't want to use his phone. He was paranoid about it so he used Dance phone, which is weird because we don't have a phone dump at Dance Phone anyways.

The CHS didn't get a phone dump. Weird. OK, no. And though his phone was used for these commissions, you know what I'm saying? And probably paid for with FBI dollars based on the way we do it. But that's cool. Oh yeah, he got a truck and a house and all sorts of shit out of this. A laptop? A watch. A nice watch. Now shit, where was I, man? They're driving around. You guys find the address you're looking it up on. Dance phone. Keep going. Yeah. So they actually found the

address. We went down the road a couple of times, and when Adam first saw him and he was super excited, you know, so that's it. And I forget exactly what he said, but he was so excited. Again, very childlike in nature. This is not something that lends credence to somebody who's serious about doing this sort of operation. Like, this is heavy. This isn't something that's a

joke, You know? Sit there, fucking laugh about it and you know, get all excitable like a child throughout this ride, my threat level, like I did feel it come down right. It's not like life and death, life and death the whole way through the right life and death. And it did start to wane just based off stuff I was seeing and hearing.

So Adam acting that way. One of two times I saw Dan roll his eyes because he kind of like cock eyed over to Adam when he was acting crazy and rolled his eyes, which I could see from where I was at. It's like OK, so he the dichotomy there, he's not completely in line with Adam and Adam's acting this way. This guy's quiet, barely saying anything. I didn't seem like he was on

board. It seemed more like he was kind of playing along with Adam and, you know, making Adam, you know, OK, let's play your game sort of thing. Which he did. Now we know why. So you know, this is just everything I have in my head at this time I have to go through is untrained person, man. Apparently I did everything right though, because I hear the FBI and the CHS talk about why they did what they did and I'm like, fuck, I figured that out Moment, man.

But anyways, on one of the rides they and was like, hey Barricade, I need you to do me a favour. Like what? You know, I said I need to take a slomo video. Fuck man, you kidding me? I'm sitting there, quiet and again. They call you Barricade, is that correct? Yeah, that's your nickname. OK or. Or call sign. That's alright. Call signs are always kind of funny. And then he's who's asking you specifically to take the video, Adam Foxton. OK, so Adam is, and he's not

cooperating with this. He's just excited because he's like a kid in a candy store. He's getting to do Amish. He's getting to do a mission, dude. That's what he was so excited about the whole time. And when you read the text between him and Dan or him and other people, like he's so excited. Oh you know, we do so much recount. We've done tonnes of Recon in the past, but like he's so he's just bloviating like you would never heard before.

This guy's not serious, dude. We have an innocent idiot sitting and praying. I hate calling an idiot because I don't really think Anyways, he got set up and he should not be in prison. None of these guys should of. But anyway, so yeah, he asked me to take the slomo video. He didn't ask me to shoot somebody. There was no talk about blowing things up. Well, he didn't ask me blow anything up. Those two would have been hard notes. I would have had to have taken a stand, even at the risk of my

life. I cannot. I cannot do those things. I just, I don't have it in me. So you asked me to take a video, man. Fuck yes. I took a video. I got home to my kids. People like, oh, why would you do that? Why didn't you just say no? Because I wanted to get home with my kids. So he said video. Fucking a right, dude. Here you go. I took a video. I didn't pan it on anything. I didn't scope one thing out. As we drove by, he said put off the window. I put up to the window and we drove by.

You know, unlike the FBI, who when they took pictures of the Mackinac Place for them, they got avenues of approach from all different angles, passed through trees, the walls, they got padlock, the fucking gate, you know, all different ways to get in. It was crazy, the depth that they went into, you know? And previously the video animated. Film is what we do. If you're going to go and approach a target, you want to know your routes in your routes out, what your contingencies

are. I used to do this for a living. I was, you know, I was a surveillance guy. So I spent three years in a car looking. What are the pitfalls? What are the where's, where's the automatic lights? Where the where the surveillance cameras. What avenues are you not going to be seen in? Where can you park a car and not be, you know, bothered? Where can you set a look out? All the things that. We do this for a living. So that's not crazy to me, to think that somebody from the FBI

would know how to do that. Like SWAT does it every every time they do a hit, every time they do it, they send somebody out, they do a Recon on the thing. It doesn't take forever. You don't get excited about it. It's just work. Just go take pictures. It's not a big deal. So then when you're taking a picture for suppose a terrorist, why wouldn't you just take a couple of pictures and say, hey, here's what we got for you. Why would you go through all the ins and outs and make it as

professional as possible? Because the guy that supposedly took the picture, his legend was that he was a janitor, right? How would he know what to do? All that stuff he did, not actually. They they happy I did it, handed it to him and then he gave it over to these guys. So that's how that played out. That's how much today looking back you go, OK, I'm being set up by the feds when this is happening and it looks really obvious at that time. I don't think anybody had that instinct.

I think three years after the fact, you guys were kind of the Canary in the coal mine in many ways. Most people now if somebody says something like even even like a January 6, people are calling fed, fed, fed at at Ray apps, right. I mean you. Can't get away with this stuff today in the way that they did it, but it was so blatant in some ways. People would call it Fed Jacketing. They would call it, you know, they would call you a narc.

They would call you some kind of Everyone thinks it's a setup now. You can't. I don't think you could do any of this stuff today just because the way that your story got so big. No, you you couldn't. It never would have worked anyways. That's the thing. This stuff was never serious. You know, if you are serious, why would you Just so this one thing that they talk about was upset because that's one of the one of the things in the law is if they try to avoid apprehension, right.

So upset they kept talking about this. Here's another military term that, you know, tough militia guys like to throw out there. Dude is operational security. So something like going on to encrypted apps. Everything's fucking encrypted. So no matter what you talk on, you have just participated upset. You have committed a one element of a felony. OK, the laws, especially in Michigan after 911 in Michigan, we adopted, I mean the patriotic damn here, the Patriot Act.

But on the state level, there's a reason that all this stuff went down in Michigan as opposed to any of the other states that were supposedly involved with this. Because no other states had the laws on the book that would allow the government to come after an average person like this. So it had to happen in Michigan, and no one could convince me otherwise because we we have some pretty messed up laws. So yeah, yeah, I forgot where I was going with. You did the you were telling us

about the video. You're telling you hold it up to the screen, you're ready to get home to your kids. I get all that stuff. Keep walking through where this trip is about. Yep, so, oh, previous to that, there was something else that happened. We ended up going to a diner, a bar to get to get something to eat. When we got out of the truck, Dan mentioned about, you know, it's a bar. We don't. I don't know if we can take our

guns in there. And even though I was pretty sure that we were OK as long as we sat away from the bar area, that is the law. You know, just him saying that because he was an RSO before Range safety Officer, so he knows a lot about guns. I was like, you know, I don't want to mess with that either. So I'll Up until that point, nobody even knew I had a gun on me. That's when I took it out, you know, and stole it in his vehicle so we could go in. That's when Adam claimed he

didn't have a gun on him. So whether he did or didn't, I didn't know. But yeah, so we we went. And then when we left, that's the ride afterward that I ended up taking the video, they went over to a boat launch and tried to find her place from across the boat launch. Oh shit, man. Again, I'm rabbit trailing at the fricking diner. Adam was making a map. Dan had given him the paper and the pen and was coaching him.

They were he. It was his idea to find where the, like police were at. And so they had miles away and everything on this map. Again, in the audio, I you don't hear me say anything about I'm sitting there minding my own damn business. I don't want to be a part of anything. I'm not in the truck acting all sudden like, oh, yeah, man, I can't wait to do this. I'm not one of these guys. I barely know. Adam. Do I want everybody to know this? I was not a part of any group.

Wolverine, Watchman, Second Continental Militia as the US, you name it. I was not a part of any group. I did not know anybody I knew. Adam. Barely. I got wrapped up out of the 14 guys. I never went to any meetings. I didn't help with any planning. I got duped into a fucking ride, you know what I mean? And just because of everything that I was involved in, I ended up rubbing shoulders with other people who are very, very similarly minded, you know?

We're not exactly thinking the same, obviously, but we're very similarly minded, you know, And that's how easy it was for me to get wrapped up in this. I got dumped on the right. So Adam, not being an agent of the state or CHS, I did not get entrapped because no Fed or CHS asked me to do this and it wasn't duress because nobody overtly threatened me. So I fall in this niche where I don't even have a defence other than, yeah, I took the video, but I didn't want to.

Everybody's like, you know how dumb that sounds? Like I'm gonna fuck what you think. Seriously. Three years? I never once asked my attorney. Do you believe me? Do you believe me? I never asked one person. Three years if I if anybody believe me, I don't need anybody else to believe me. I know that I did not go out to hurt anybody. I don't need anybody else to

believe that shit. I'm just going to ask people to kind of in our audience, just to take a second and as we kind of digest where we're at here with this. But. I I can probably think of a half dozen instances in my own life and and we talked before we we started taping here, you know, if you're a young man. If you're if you're a man, man of any man of any age, and you

don't look. Back and go like there's been a one or two times when I've been either in a car or at a table or around a group of guys talking about something that seemed like it, it was off. And you're like, man, this is not my jam, this is not what I'm about. But you're not gonna just step up. We're we're sort of socially conditioned, both as men and also as just as human beings. To not rock boats.

There's a reason why a lot of atrocities have happened, because people don't throw the US flag, and there's a reason why a lot of people end up sitting in places going like. I don't think this is really what I'm about, but there's no overt threat at that moment. And and afterwards you look back at it a couple years later and you go like, man, I'm really glad I got out of that, OK? I'm really glad that this didn't go the way it could have gone. I now have some wisdom some some

space. And I go, man. That could have gone really sideways. Like we could have those guys could have robbed the bank and I would have been in the car with them. Those guys could have run over that Lady and like, they thought it was funny and I didn't know if they were serious or not. Or you take your pick up, my friends got into a car drunk, whatever. It was like, everybody's got that story. And that story for you is what you just told me. I can sense it.

I know where it is. I I know what that feels like. I've been in a car where you just go like. This might not turn out well. I'm really glad. And when it didn't, when it turns out well, you're like, I'm really glad it didn't go the way it could have gone. I'm glad I didn't have to run out of there or shoot my way out of it or fight my way out of it or escape and be out in the woods by myself, like trying to figure how to get home with no phone like these, this happens. This is by good.

That's like a regular as there's a guy who's a Special Forces guy. He's a former Delta Force guy and he calls it regular dude shit and like the sick regular dude shit. Like, sometimes you just do dumb things, right? It's just dumb and you just go like Adam. Glad I got out of that. No. It's hard for anybody, and I imagine if you're a woman, that's not a thing that you've experienced nearly as much. I just, I don't know. I'm not a woman and I and I wouldn't pretend to know.

But I imagine even women have a moment in their life, like, I shouldn't have gotten that car. And I'm glad it worked out OK. My wife has told me stories about getting into a subway car and getting out of it and being, like, really glad. Oh well, he'll be back, my friend. There he is. Oh, there he am. I just like this. We'll just call that the NSA kicking in on our our. Piece. Sometimes things are weird. OK, so you're you're in a weird diner. They're they're talking about

stuff. Adam's childishly excited about it, which is not that. That's like cosplay stuff to me, You know, just being honest about it. It's it's Larping to me. Oh, you had to watch a Larping. That's a red flag word. I think you're the one that actually exposed that. That's one of the words on the list. Is it? Larping yeah. Interesting. Tell me, tell me why that is. I I called the guys who do Antifa Larpers. They look like Larpers to me.

I've seen them through night vision, fighting with cops, and they think that they're like battling, you know, evil Dragons and stuff, like they're all dressed up in costumes. Anyway. So I always think Larping is just, you know, it's just silliness. But why was that? Why was that? Flag do you think? Because apparently the government's trying to get a head start on certain words that can be used. So Larping Live Action Role Playing either has been or possibly could be used to

describe an FTX. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah. And that may have been on that million extremist list. I I don't have all the details of it in the top of my head. The thing that drove me the most nuts was essentially kind of like what you were involved in. There's a group called American Contingency. You've heard of that? Fuck it. Sounds familiar? It it's Mike Glover, who's a former Green Beret and a former CIA contractor.

And like an American hero, Oh yeah, he created American Contingency. It was just an online group for people to basically get together and find out who has a generator and who wants to share food prepping skills and who knows how to use an iPad and so on. And they went after him and called him a militia group with a low history of violence, even though history of violence is 0. So when we talk about the FBI lying about this stuff, I mean, I've seen it first hand that it

exists, it's out there. And I've been personally offended on behalf of guys like Mike Glover, who I have a an acquaintance with, And Mike Glover is a really nice guy, and everything he puts out seems to be. Interested in patriotism? Just keeping people safe in the eventual, in the eventual, unfortunately, you know, event that you're either dealing with a physical or a geopolitical emergency. Yep. Alright, alright. I don't want to take away from

your story. You're you're at the diner, Tell me where you want to go with this. You guys, you took the video, you got called out for that sort of thing. How was the ride home for that? Before we get to that, though, Because we did end up going over to that boat launch and Dan, the CHS tried to say he's got pictures of Adam. Also, he's got pictures at the diner. There's a reason he doesn't have pictures of me helping out. It's because I wasn't. There's nothing to take a picture of.

Over at the boat launch. I stayed over by the vehicle and I have an overhead view of this boat launch, which I can also send you so you can see where the hell I was at. I was like 6070 feet away from these two. He's got pictures of Adam looking across, you know, trying to find her place. Why are there pictures of me? Oh, again, I'm not into this shit. I stayed right the fuck away, then tried to say that I was standing behind him. Reading a sign so you didn't

even box off. I'm standing behind you. You didn't even try to take, you know, an angle, so you keep both of us in your sight. You let me stand behind you. And you kidding me? You know that I'm armed and I'm this bad guy and whatnot. What a liar do. I don't even let people stand behind me. I know better. You know what? A liar. So anyways, that's why he doesn't have a picture of me, because I also wasn't a part of

that. So then the ride home, but before we actually left, it was brought up to go look at the police again. And I did bring up at one point it was just something to add to make it seem like, hey, you know, he he's kind of cool, but only because they had mentioned it previously. So it was something I could say. I was like, hey cool. We don't really because I'm sitting there quiet like fuck, I got to say song, they're going to get suspicious again. I'm trying to figure shit out.

So I didn't mention the police. Yeah. Anyways, they were going to do it anyways because at the beginning, before they left Grand Rapids, they brought it up, they brought it up there. I just kind of reiterated the thing because again, you can't just sit there, right? Right. You're going to be suspicious. Everybody knows this, everyone's looking for. Spot the Fed? Yeah, Yeah. So we went and sat there for a second and then went for the ride home. And no shit, dude.

The whole ride home it was not talked about. There was a couple of times where Adam asked me, you know, are you in? And I said, you know, no, do you want to be a driver or a medic? And instead of saying yes or a hard no, I just avoid it. I was like, you know, I, I, I don't even know what's happening. I'm hearing bits and pieces and this is after everything which should show you I don't have any or knowledge on this. Crap. And this is all recorded of course. Yes, yes it is.

I got the whole 5 hour ride man. So anyways, I'm telling him I'm only getting bits and pieces and I did not commit. I refused to commit. I was always noncommittal and any answer I gave because I refused to say yes and I sure as hell refused to say no. So what did the FBI do to get me actually in trouble? They took that. It was 4 1/2 hours from the beginning of the tape. Right? They put it back right after Adam made the comment about we're going to blow up your

boat, the joke. And they said that this part happened one minute afterwards, which would say to you that I had knowledge of what was going to happen before we went up. So the judge signed off on my warrant under the impression that I had four knowledge and therefore intent. This is how I got wrapped up. So even though I do do things that average people don't do, like I'm involved with civil defence forces, the militias and this and that, I'm actually working with the police and with pets.

This is not average person stuff. I do find myself in situations that the average person doesn't, you know? Again, I'm. I'm rabbit trailing here. There's so much jumbled up in my head that my mouth could only get out a little bit at a time. Dude, I get so far ahead of myself, But yeah, I didn't know anything. I had no intent, I had no knowledge. But that's that's one of the things they did to get me wrapped up. They completely manipulated in life.

Agent Import did that. Him and Jason Chambers work together on this. They were partners. Chambers did over. I think he did 215 reports. Agent Impala, 5 reports. And he couldn't get this one right. Oh, there was a typo when we were. When they tried to bring up in court at the trial, my attorney jumped up and said, wait, before you do that, you might want to look at that because Bill and I went through the whole ride the weekend before. So we knew exactly where everything was at.

And we hear this, we're like, oh, say something. So he's like, you guys might want to stop and check your time stamps. No shit, man, they said. We've been sitting on this for three years. We know what we're doing and they played it in front of the jury. They played so they played like a like a two minute clip that had 60 seconds here and 60 seconds 4 hours later and acted like they were concurrent. Yes, they sure as hell did. OK, so my attorney jumped up and

of course objected. And we went to lunch. The judge was like, well, lunch break during lunch. The prosecution actually actually went over it. They had to come back with their heads down, tails tucked between their legs like, well, Mr Burnett, Mr Malato were right. You know it did happen 4 1/2 hours afterwards there was a typo in. Police said you got fucking reports. My life's worth a typo.

Do what, you lying sack of shit? So he was quoting from what his his FD 302 the the testimonial document describing what that CHS report was. Is that what what the typo was supposedly in? How you said a lot of things that sorry. Usually when you write up what happens, there's two ways that the FBI writes up reporting.

If it comes from a source, it can either be from a 10/23, that's the source CHS report, that's when you debrief the CHS, or you might do something that's a testimonial document and those are usually called 3 O twos. And that's like the agent writes up like on this day so and so went there, You know, CHS reported that he did this, blah blah, blah. He said this thing 5 seconds later he said this thing and

it's written up in typed form. That's what we're dealing with that that sounds more like it. OK, so those are theoretically they're testimonial documents. When you sign them, you are swearing in testing that they are true. Your supervisor signs them and reviews them. They may or may not include the audio. If there's audio, they're supposed to, it's supposed to go

in like a file. And so all this stuff came along and he supposedly made the mistake of saying these two statements were back to back, even though he would have had to cut them out of five hours of tape. Yes. You know, we call that in the business. What that's called Giglio material. That's when you lie under oath.

And then every, every time afterwards, you're supposed to have to tell the prosecutors that are trying to, if you're trying to bring a case that you have now been involved in an adjudicated lie where you lied under. Oath. It's usually supposed to end your career, just for what it's worth. So here's the thing. These things make me sick. And the reason why they make me sick is because if this case is so important to you to get it right.

And you don't care what's true. Wouldn't it be better for you to just know what's true and you go, look, we investigated. There's no threat. Hurray, America's safe. We did our job. Or you say there is a threat and we found out what it is. Hurray. America's safe. The end result for the people is what it's supposed to be about. This is why I don't work at the

FBI anymore. It turns out I actually, I actually got really proud of, of doing a case where I found out that the person was accused of doing something. Child molestation, it turned out, and he didn't do it. And we were able to pretty much conclusively identify that this guy who was alleged to be a child sex predator was in fact not doing that. He was actually doing that. Wasn't bad at all. It looked horrible, but once you had the full facts, you exonerate somebody.

That's called exculpatory evidence. Finding exculpatory evidence is just as good as finding incriminating evidence for me. I wasn't allowed to bring anything in on my behalf, anything that could counter what they said I wasn't allowed to bring in. It got to the point where the defect or the prosecution when they were bringing in their exhibits. I get somebody like, oh, we're not going to put that in.

And then so my attorney, I wanted everything I said open everything up and then we will explain it as we go. So my attorney took everything that they didn't want out of their own evidence and we brought in is the is the defence exhibits. So they don't they don't have to ruin their own case but bringing a case that's weak, that has a lot of exculpatory information is stupid.

I don't understand why anyone want to do it and it and it leads to the political motives that are behind you know that what is destroyed your life at least for the last couple of years. It's why I think the story so important and and the fact that you were acquitted is the icing on the cake. But. What's that? Sorry, I got to tell you this because we're talking about the Giglio stuff there. So because he said that, that's lying under oath.

So Agent Impala, it's recorded talking to one of the CHS is involved in this Robertson. His last name is Robison, he's from Wisconsin. He is a multi felon from a couple different states. His felonies in a couple different states. He's been used by the FBI multiple times to be CHS. He was a double agent in this

case. So while he was working for the FBI he was also working for the bad guys and trying to and telling them hey watch out for you know their speeds involved and they're about to be doing raids and stuff. While he ended up talking to FBI guy or CHS and that's how he and are getting busted. He was busted with A50 calibre rifle. He had during this time bought a pistol off another CHS. They didn't supposedly didn't

know about each other right? He's a felon so his admonishments he should not have had that while he was let go on the pistol because he know he bought it. He bought it for his wife so his intent was not for him to have it. Get out of here dude. So they let that one go. The reason they came down on him is because he was starting to talk about killing the CHS Dan with a 50K L What did he get busted with?

A 50 Cal? This was a double agent, Agent Impala. It's recorded telling him don't let the story or don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. He was one of the leads on this case and it's reported him saying it to this guy, so there's that. It's so troubling because it shows an obvious motive. It shows the impetus to go and do this thing regardless of what? Like that's not what your oath says you're supposed to do. That's not what. That's not what law enforcement

is about. The law enforcement is you go find out what the truth is. You bring in front of the jury. The jury decides whether you win or you lose. Like, do you know how much more money an agent gets if they're their case goes to trial and they have an acquittal like in your case? No, none. They don't get any money, you know happens if you were found guilty. Nothing. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Like you don't get paid by the case, You don't get paid by the

acquittal. You don't get paid by the guilty verdict. None of these things are relevant. It's not how you get paid. Your job is to go out and do an investigation. That's fair. You're supposed to find out as much of the information you can. You present it to the attorney. The attorney decides whether to charge or not, and then the jury decides whether you're innocent or guilty or you're not guilty. That's it. They do innocent. Obviously. They say not guilty or they say

that you're guilty. So they don't. They don't find innocence, right? They find they acquit you of the charges. But it's paid, though it might not be Extra money, might not be a bonus, but all everybody moved up. Inflow went from Flint to Detroit. Sunita Domani, she was one of the original prosecutors. She ended up moving up, you know. So she got a promotion out of this.

One of the original prosecutors, Gregory Townsend, was actually kicked off in this case because when it first got brought up, it was found that he had lied and got this guy locked up for 14 years. This guys now out. He was locked up, wrongly accused and convicted of setting his house on fire, murdering his fucking children. Can you imagine me accused of murdering your children having? I'd sit in prison. I got nothing left. And once my kids are gone, you know what I mean?

Like, yeah, man, like you can't ruin me more than that. But the fact that innocent person, because this guy wanted to lie, he used a corrupt snitch like, like FBI does, right? So he had to get booted off the case. He was allowed to actually step out of his position. I'm pretty sure he's got his pension and everything else. He was allowed to step down and this is what our system is like. Sunita Domani got her promotion before this case finished.

It's so important to you. It's so personal to you that you're not even going to see it through to the end and ride the accolades out. But really, do everybody got promoted? Dantuono, we all know where he ended up and he's the one that was, you know, the head during when this first opened up. Everybody got promoted, dude. So no, they didn't get a check. They get a continual check with continual bump and pay. And that's something. It's not how it's supposed to work, but it is.

It is something that we saw. And I think that's so that's what has been so offensive to many Americans. You mentioned Steve D'antuono. So for folks that don't know, he was a special agent in charge of the Detroit field office, which was responsible for running this case. I don't think he had a lot of hands on him. But he would have been briefed on it because it would have been

a higher tiered threat. And then, yeah, he ended up at the Washington field office as the assistant director in charge, which would have been, yeah, that was my boss for a while. And then, interestingly, he took a job, the assistant director in charge, which is a rocket fuel position for people who work in the FBI, and he retired from it.

Sort of suddenly, yeah. And now he's been talking about, oh, well, maybe the pipe bombs weren't real in Washington, DC on January 6th and this and that. And suddenly I think he's caught in a bear trap as well. I don't know what sort of lies he got involved in. He also has come out and said that he was against raiding Miralago. So that's kind of interesting. He's changed a lot of his tunes now that he doesn't work there.

And he's gone out to a a big accounting job because he was an accountant and he worked with one of my buddies, the original producer of my podcast, and we don't think very kindly SD Antonio. He's kind of a coward on every level of a gutless fish. And now he works for KPMG, which is one of the big accounting firms. In the world. So everybody got a bonus, everybody got bumped up, everybody got promoted. Except. Except Chambers. He didn't. He had some problems.

Yeah. You want to talk about him? I don't really know that much about Chambers except for he also is a liar. I'm sorry, man. Anybody who's in the FBI right now, you're you're all bad guys man. Right now, like I will back any law enforcement, but it is a good guy that will stand up against their fellow you know employees, their Co workers that are bad people. You have the civilians behind you. We will back you. We want you. But you have to step up.

Who gives a fuck if if you, you know, so you're going to be looked down on by your peers. I'm telling you right now, they're not your peers. They are criminals. They are beneath you. Rise above them. Because if you're a good law enforcement person and you know about them, you don't say anything. You are just as guilty as they are. But I'm telling you from first hand experience being around militias the way that guys talk where when you know nobody else

is listening. We need law enforcement. We respect law enforcement but we we cannot stand behind cowards. So you grab the word coward. All these mother fuckers are cowards. If you're not then say something. You know the one like you Where are you at now because you you said something. Thank you for saying something you and missed your friend. Thank you for doing this and everybody else who has. We got your back and now unfortunately you're not in the positions we need you with.

Something. Yeah, this may be more important though, it turns out, because we can still tell the story and it still hurts the feelings. You mentioned Steve Friend who people will see on Fridays. On my show we do a regular segment Friendly Friday, so he doesn't look very friendly. Steve's not necessarily that friendly to most people. He's a really serious dude and and he takes his oath really seriously and he takes his country seriously.

So that's kind of the nature of what we all thought we were getting. It turns out that when you have an organisation full of people that are not that serious and are interested in federal law enforcement cosplay and they're happy to set people up into into ugly things. Look, I worked domestic terrorism cases. I've worked to international terrorism cases on the surveillance. Of it. So they were not my cases, but I got briefed on them and they are

almost always. I've told this to Julie Kelly many times and I don't know if you've seen her coverage, but she was obviously very big on covering down on the on the Whitmer case and you know it's like. They are morally equivalent to entrapment, whether or not they meet the legal definition or not, because they are dragging people into a place that everybody like a you and me and a regular dude would look at it and go, that's in trapping somebody. Why?

Why is that allowed? But there is a legal definition that is not the same definition that you would walk around and think of what entrapment is if you were to watch a police show, let's say, right? Are you just kicked the nest right there, dude? Yep. It's it's hard to watch from the outside because I've seen these and you. Go How are you feeling?

Good about doing this case. And the best thing about it for most people that they don't realise almost all of the domestic terrorism cases and almost all of the international terrorism cases the FBI works, never result in charges. They're just a money pot of funding for surveillance teams, funding for equipment, funding for putting CHS together, funding for giving money to the CHS, funding left and left and

right. We write it up for as long as you can do it. Man, you know what's better than a case that gets charged like yours? Case that never gets charged and just has unlimited potential for writing up paperwork for as long as possible. That's got to stop. That's what they love. That's what they do. It's, I mean, it's a money pit. The Congress says, you know, that in in 2022, the FBI forecasted to Congress that they were going to find 600 terrorist plots and they were going to disrupt them.

They forecasted that you know how many they actually found? None. 397 Flyers. So last year, you have to believe that the FBI found 397 terrorist plots and disrupted them. That means they found one every single day of the year, twice on all the Sundays. And that's how many terrorist plots were disrupted in America. Could you believe that? No, I don't liars.

How many, how many disruptions, how many people were arrested in the in the Whitmer situation that that you knew or didn't know Half of the group so 14, because the other fourteen were feds and CHS. So 14 disruptions. That's what they claimed from that 14 terrorist plots disrupted each. Each one of those arrests is a disruption as long as they deal on different days. Fuckers. And that's something. I mean, doesn't that change just the way that you look at all of it? Dude, I have.

I haven't been warped. I've actually been. I had my eyes open to it. And things aren't surprising me that much anymore. I used to idolise my government, man. I love my country, but this government's not what was intended. And they are evil. So let's talk about the mindset change. I think that's probably a good place to land some of this, you know, this, this thought process. You've given people a little taste about what you're experiencing, some of the things

that are going on in your head. I'd like to talk about what the lingering effects are of going through a trial where you're accused of doing something that you've been acquitted of now OHS. So I thought it would get easier afterwards. I thought the like, the paranoia and the anxiety would go away. But actually it's gotten it's actually gotten worse. So at the beginning of this I mentioned that I get anxiety at the beginning of every interview. It's the same anxiety I get when

I see a cop car. It's the same anxiety I get when I hear helicopter go over my house or I see a car that's not you know, we don't see on our Rd because we live on a kind of dirt Rd there. I am paranoid as hell. I've been warned to actually my attorney God bless his soul here he said he told me keep your fucking head down. He said the feds can still come after you. So here's a two stage system right.

I was found not guilty in the state if the feds wanted to pick me up and the same exact charges they can because it's not double double jeopardy. I want to point out this is one of the things I've learned that they will use this system to make sure that you can't have anybody speak on your behalf. So they use the threat of being a non indicted Co conspirator against other people who were willing to testify on her

behalf. Adam Fox himself was willing to come and testify on my behalf until he was threatened. And of course it's not a straight threat, but you know what it means, the prosecution told his attorney. We will get him a state attorney for coming back and you might want to tell him to keep his mouth shut. He's an out of date coconspirator. So all of a sudden Adam says I can't do it. He's already doing 16 years. Why would he do another 20? And I couldn't blame him for that.

But yes, they manipulate. They lie. Now let my attorney get ahold of a witness against me and say you know we got some dirt on you. If you testify, we're going to throw it up. That's witness tampering. But Nope, not when the not when the state does it or the feds. So I'm completely disillusioned and and just separated from my, my, the current government just because I know who and what they are now a little bit. I'm scared Dang near all the

time. The other day I did have a helicopter go over my house at like 2:00 AM. There's low enough to rattle the house, so I ran upstairs and I stood out on the porch waiting for an AMRAP to pull up again with another 40 agents to get me. So I sit on the porch and I was waiting. I don't even know how long I was out there till I realised I was waiting for him to come get me. So this fucking stupid. Then I got mad. I I was already afraid of them.

So I'm an innocent person, afraid of my government. I'm pissed. You know how how it's affected me. Now I'm. I'm willing to fight them. You know, I'm. I'm getting into politics. I already have representatives willing to back me. I've got a lot of things going forward. I've got some good ideas. I've seen things that most people have not, and I know things that need to be changed for for our benefit.

You know Charlie Leduff? I did a short interview with him and he asked me, you know, well, do you know about this? You know about that? And I'm like, shit, man, No, you got me. I don't know. I'm highly under qualified for what I want to do on that aspect. But let me tell you something right here. Gretchen Whitmer knows this stuff. Dana Nessel knows this stuff. Look at the job they're doing. I'm coming in with compassion

and heart for the people. And I'm telling you, George Washington, then, you know, do the stuff he did. Because we didn't have a system. He's better than you people, you know. Was he? Oh, yeah, it was. Think about it. When he took on the when he started fighting the French anyways, he. Was like 21 years old. Get out of here. Do it, kids. But that's what they had to do. Here we are with adults, get

informed. And this is the thing that people need to realise our system set up for the individual like you mad at, dude, I matter only because your Board of Commissioners, there's one that's local, you can go, you can get your issues heard, you can help vote on things and they actually listen to you. I help push the two-way resolution here in Wexford, we got it past nine to zero, you know, and that was before the rate. I'm all about doing things the legal way I was beforehand.

I was lied about and yeah, I probably. Drive a trail to get Nanny. I'm sorry, man. I think that's all from the heart. I think that's all real. What? About what about your employment now you're, you know, you've had this basically hanging over your head for a couple of years. You still have the federal thing. They could kind of they would have to look at what happened and and decide whether they want to play this game again.

Maybe a federal jury is different, but it's in the same state, so it would be the same types of people. What what is that done for your life today? Like what are you doing? What are you? Working. You know, what's your plan? Umm. So. Currently I'm not working. I have quite a few prospects and I'm having issues being around like crowds of people or even a number of people. Right now. I am seeking help for this. It's just from other people say,

well waiting for intake. They said it's PTSD. I don't throw that around lightly because like, that's a serious thing. But everything I said, they're like, dude, you're you, you need some help for that. So I'm hoping to get, you know, obviously get a job. I'm just worried about I I don't even know what I'm. Worried about? I don't know what I'm worried about. It doesn't make sense. Like I I sound fucking crazy. I feel crazy, but I'm just trying to work through, man. I don't know.

I'm at work and I'm trying. I'm trying to get a job and you're sitting right now in your brother's gun shop, yeah. Yes, how's. Your family handle all this? Well, they were affected. Too. You know what I mean? It wasn't just me that got affected by this. When we got raided, actually, we're having a family get together. So there was a whole bunch of us. The feds pointed guns at my kids. I'm talking little little kids. They put my mom in handcuffs like all the adults in handcuffs.

They ruin stuff. There's a few things they did that was really cool. They turned our food off and actually wrapped up, put in the fridge for us. They walked our pit mix out to her kennel instead of shooting her. You know, these are all worries that we we heard about when you when you get rated, they kill your dog. They didn't kill our dog and they were so grateful for that because we love our animals. But, you know, it was terrifying. So they have PTSD. There's been some experiences in

our family previously. They had, you know, we've been hurt. My family's been hurt. This didn't help, man. Everybody's messed up. We're all working through it. I guess that's the short answer, dude. We're all we're all affected. We're all hurt. That makes sense to me. Where do you see this going, by the way? I. Empathise with everything you

just said. I've I've stood outside I've you know made sure I was unarmed and and been in a place where I could be easily accessed because I have the same thoughts and and that's a terrible feeling to think that your government may come for you when especially when you it's something you've supported, when you when you're on the right side of it you think you doing the right thing and you know you're looking at your neighbours and like these are my allies.

It's not my enemies. And then your government looks at you like an enemy. It's very it's very hard. It's exhausting, too. I know. I know exactly how tiring that is. I really do. I'm not the enemy to a good government. Man, like, if if if you feel like I'm an enemy, then you need to look at yourself because I'm. I'm not doing anything for selfish reasons. I have stock in the future. I have stock in something that I'll never be a part of just because I have kids.

That's just got to get straightened out so that they can have the same America that I grew up believing in. You know, even the America that I grew up believing in didn't exist then. It was, you know, behind the scenes. It was getting taken away then. But I at least got to live it, you know, live it for a little bit, man. And I remember, like I said, my childhood was awesome. I would like that for everybody. But I don't see that with the way that things are going.

You know, you talked about a war on words, right? Or Or, you know, they said entrapment. But entrapment for a layman is different than entrapment. So they they told the jury how to think. So, you know, here's 1984, dude, right in our face. Here's, here's a word, here's what I think it is, and then you tell me Nope, this is what it actually means. And I can't think about it any other way. You've just rewritten my brain. And yes, now I see you as guilty. Because I have to.

This was insane. There would the war on words. Governor Whitmer came out on October 9th, two days after our raid, and said they're not militias, they're domestic extremists. Words matter. First of all, no group was taken down as a domestic terrorist group. They were only individuals. So even The Wolverine Watchmen, who I was never part of, did not know the group was not domestic terrorist. There are some people in it. There are domestic terrorist. So here is your governor of Michigan.

Listen up. Your governor telling you that you're not a militia, you are a domestic terrorism, domestic terrorist. She did not qualify any of that. You just hired domestic terrorist. Her words. What's the name Mr Olson there? The prosecutor. When William Noll was on the stand, he looked right at me and said patriot, isn't that a code

word in your in your movement? So if you consider yourself a patriot, if you're a part of a militia, if you are in American and consider yourself an American, you are a threat to them. That should tell you something. I'm not. This is not a call to action. I'm telling you wake the fuck up. It's already been time. They were like be aware these people are coming after you little bit by little bit. Slippery slope laws and rules, they are coming into effect.

We actually have a red flag law in Michigan now, which was one of the first things I did with the militia group was go to Lansing. This was a long time ago when we talked to representatives and all of them really know what red flag law is. Well, here we are. May of this year they came with red flag laws. Some Donald Trump even said I'm a big fan of take the guns first then do process later, do that. Such an oxymoron. You cannot have due process. If you've already skipped due

process, you cannot do that. And we have this in Michigan. Yeah, I'm scared, dude. I don't blame you. You saw the the trailer. We'll play it. At the end of this, the trailer for Police State, the new film that Dinesh Desouza has put out, that we consulted on, me and Steve Friend. When you saw that, what did you think? That was one of the things we did before we got on here, started talking. If I was hooked up to a heart. Machine, dude, you this. My heart was out out of my chest.

I could feel. I could feel my neck throbbing. My palms got sweaty. That was scary. That was scary to watch because it's a movie, right? But no, I saw that shit. Like I was there. Oh my gosh. It just seemed real when I watched it. I was like, what the fuck? That's scary. Thank you for bringing this up. You think they overdid? It do you think they over is that, is that how it looks? Is that how it feels? If anything, you guys may have underplayed it.

Well, you have to see how it actually looks when it when it goes. I think it was just the trailer, but I I like it already, ma'am, I'm going to be one of the first people to go see it. If it comes to Cadillac, I'm watching it. Yeah, take your take a take a chill pill before you get in. There, Take a deep breath. Make sure you focus yourself, because it's it's kind of intense. It's intense. And I was there. So there needs to be. Yeah, what what's your advice to people?

Is that you said? People should already be awake right now. What do you think this goes like? This is America. Come out of this. Oh yeah, we can still come out here. You kidding me? Americans are resilient and we, we do have a culture and our American culture is fighting against tyranny. So we may have lost culture for a long time now it's because we haven't had to fight back, you know. But we have a common a common enemy and we have the right way to do. Our system is still in play.

The reason that everything is what the way it has is because the loud people, the left that you know that they're the ones that are loud. They're they're the ones coming out and saying stuff. Conservatives, by definition, we're quiet as hell. We sit back and just leave us alone. They won't get in your way, you know. Well, that doesn't affect us. But we need to do is start stepping up, use the system that's in place, your Board of Commissioners, and work out from

there. So it was super easy. Call, write, email your representatives. You don't have to do anything. Majority of the times we have things like the Convention of States of grassroots, army. We have all sorts of stuff that have templates. All you need to do is put your name on there and write a short thing that personalises it. Everything else already filled out and they will send it to the right people for you.

There's no excuse anymore. You don't even have to make the phone call, but I wish you would. There's three things. I'll write an email. It's so easy. And that's how you get your voice heard If we actually come together like we're supposed to, using the system how we're supposed to, they cannot deny us now. Anytime you want to start talking stupid shit, talk about we need to be violent, you're

going to get shot the fuck down. I'm not saying there's not a place for training in that because you should be prepared. It's stupid not be prepared. The government even has contingency plans for like, alien invasions and zombie hordes. No joke. This is real shit. Look it up. So why should we not have a contingency plan as civilians, You know, for a terroristic government, whether our own or foreign, you know, and we get involved. You don't have to be a part of a militia man.

Just use your system while we still got it, because we do. But for how much longer? Get involved. Look around, man. I don't know. That's what I got to get involved. Stay involved. Words I noticed you didn't say anything about. Get wild blow. Anything up or take out anybody's boat. So I do appreciate you coming on and kind of bearing your heart a little bit. I know it was a I know it's uncomfortable to talk about a lot of these things and there's

a there's a trust factor there. I appreciate you trusting me with your story and we will make it available also your attorneys could have it too if they want a copy of it just in case anybody wants to to to claim we'll we'll show the the full thing that's we're not into cutting things deceptively that's not the way that we work over here but I do appreciate it there. Thanks for having a chat with me.

I hope you have a great rest of your week and you know if you want to come back on to talk again. As things move forward, let me know. Alright. Thanks for your patience man. I appreciate it. Absolutely. Thanks so much. Alright. You have been listening to the Kyle Seraphin. Show We stream from Liberty Hill, TX at 0930 weekdays. We do really appreciate all of you joining us.

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