What is the Postwar Consensus?

Wilson said , quote the world must be made safe for democracy , end quote . And so , to make the world safe for democracy , wilson would enlist young American men to fight what Pat Buchanan and others have called the Great Civil War of the West . They were not fighting to protect American interests at home or to repel a foreign invader .

Instead , the US , as it would for more than a century , began patrolling the world on behalf of democracy , however nebulous that claim actually is . As a result , 11 million men would die in the bloody trenches of Europe during the First Great War . Nearly 120,000 of those were US servicemen .

Just a short time later , 405,000 American men would die in the Second World War . In our time , it would be the Bushes , clintons and Obamas who would involve the US in wars that would , as Wilson dreamed , make the world safe for democracy , as opposed to an America first brand of nationalism .

Wilson was an early and proud champion of what would become known as either the post-war consensus or the liberal international order . This term , post-war consensus , has been used quite frequently on X , especially by those on the dissident right who seek to critique the ideology of the ruling elite who have shaped America since World War II . But what does it mean ?

There's actually a lot to say about this , but we can begin with a simple definition from Ben Crenshaw , who wrote this for American Reformer . Quote the post-war consensus refers to the world order that emerged after the world wars . Its overarching goal is to achieve and maintain world peace through disarmament and interstate cooperation .

This in turn will make it possible to achieve the kind of international prosperity and progress previous generations could only dream of . The post-war consensus simply is the liberal international order in its ideology , language , organization and management . It represents a rejection of true national sovereignty , multi-polarity and great power politics under the law of nations .

It disparages and banishes the political art . Thank you . Changeable global units in a worldwide consumerist economy . The development and growth of intelligence and security agencies and organizations aid the liberal overseers in managing friend and foe alike through information and technology control , clandestine espionage and covert disruptions and deadly strikes .

Unquestioned loyalty to the state of Israel , the fear of anti-Semitism and a wildly improbable Nazi resurgence and the redirection of nationalist fervor onto a Zionist state rather than a Christian one buttresses the liberal international order's claims to be the defenders of humanity .

Finally , the liberal world order relentlessly promotes its moral legitimacy through an endless End quote . After two world wars , elites led by the newly ascendant Americans blamed the wars on what RR Reno has called the strong gods of nationalism and religion . The man who would be held single-handedly responsible for the Second Great War would be , of course , hitler .

He would become the apotheosis of evil , perhaps the most famous villain in human history . According to historians and politicians who wrote after the war , any form of strong nationalism based in the natural affections for people in place or blood and soil would necessarily mean the return to the death camps of Auschwitz .

And so , led by Wilson and later , fdr global leaders would adopt a mantra of never again . And later FDR global leaders would adopt a mantra of never again . The new liberal order that emerged would be known for its antis , anti-fascist , anti-totalitarian , anti-colonialist , anti-racist and anti-semitic .

What they intended to banish was a whole host of strong loves that included natural affection for family , kin and fatherland , as well as the faith that built Christendom . This was , as Renault points out , largely an extension and culmination of the revolution that began in France in 1789 .

In this new consensus , the Western tradition was blamed for all the evils in the world , and so it had to be purged and replaced by the relentless pursuit of openness , disenchantment and the weakening of these loves . Borders became as porous as the boundaries separating men from women .

From the Academy to the pages of the New York Times , the key buzzwords would become diversity , multiculturalism and inclusivity . What most conservatives fail to see is that the liberal order they so much love , the one that protects their sacred democracy , is actually what gave rise to the wokeness and CRT and intersectionality they claim to hate .

What emerged thanks to men like Karl Popper was the idea of an open society with its emphasis on toleration and the fluidity of truth , borders or natural distinctions .

The order of the day would become a kind of secular pluralism that worked as a solvent to break down strong loves , since historic Christianity , traditionalism and nationalism lead to concentrated affections , lead to concentrated affections .

Popper and later conservatives like William F Buckley would promote pluralism as a way to dilute and thus , in their minds , protect the world from future atrocities .

In this secular world order , nations would be replaced by global organizations like the UN , founded in 1945 , which was the brainchild of FDR and inspired by Woodrow Wilson's failed attempt to join the League of Nations before that . These entities would rule on the basis of science and technocratic experts rather than ideology or religion , or so they claimed .

The moral law of Christianity would be replaced by the ever vacuous and malleable term human rights .

Again , crenshaw writes , quote the major stumbling block to seeing this vision for a global order accomplished was the natural partiality and love that men feel for their own people , their own way of life and nation , and man's ambition to be great among his people , to distinguish himself in noble acts and to win the praise of his friends .

The strong gods of love of one's own , tribalism and sectarianism , loyalty to God and religious tradition and the pursuit of truth had to be overcome . The blame for the destruction of the world wars was placed at the feet of nationalistic fervor and loyalty .

The strong love that people feel for their own family , kin and people , stirred to ambition and greatness by natural leaders among them , ie demagogues , must be tamped down and deconstructed . From henceforth , nationalism would be tied to fascism , nazism and populist authoritarianism .

The only reasonable option open to a freedom-loving people was a politically and economically open global society led by the liberal international order , unfettered international trade , opaque notions of human rights , open borders and a globalist regime made up of international elites who could override rogue nations that attempted to flee the global oligarchs .

National laws would be replaced by international laws , which in turn meant that the US would entangle itself in a plethora of global organizations and accords the Paris Climate Agreement , nato , nafta , world Health Organization and more . The goal , which has been largely successful , was to transform distinct peoples into interchangeable economic units in a global economy .

What transgenderism did for the sexes , egalitarian economic policy would do to peoples and nations , namely neuter them of any natural distinction . Strong loves would be replaced by the weak loves of consumerism and cheap entertainment , with nothing to bind the people together except their shared love for cheap Nike shoes made in Vietnam or China .

A cabal of globalist capitalists would easily exploit nations , which would become nothing more than economic zones . In turn , technocratic elites those like George Soros , born 1930 , and Klaus Schwab , born 1938 , would exert power around the globe through various philanthropic organizational behemoths aimed at furthering open society principles .

Again , crenshaw writes quote Since actualizing a global political system that assumed common ground between peoples and tried to rule the world as a single entity is impossible , lio elites turned to a corporate model to implement their ideas On this paradigm .

Self-appointed leaders run the world as a publicly traded corporation , with global citizens playing the role of stockholders who have theoretically invested in the global community both vacuous euphemisms but who have no power , no involvement in management , no decision over how things are run , and have thus spun the political roulette on whether or not their investment will

return a profit . This system also encouraged , if not mandated , mass global migration . What did it matter if one's historic country of origin was overrun with Muslim , indian or Mexican immigrants , if they were , first and foremost busy worker bees and consumers ?

If they were first and foremost busy worker bees and consumers , what could be a better tool to destabilize traditional national loyalties and demoralize a people devoted to their particular way of life , language , religion , laws , customs , norms , etc . In what other ways does the post-war consensus or liberal order exert power around the globe ?

In the US , this is accomplished through the CIA and intel security state , as well as by the foreign policy blob , although it has precisely zero congressional authority to do so . The CIA destabilizes countries , foments rebellions and orange revolutions and works to keep the wheels of the deep state and military-industrial complex well-greased .

It topples regimes , assassinates problematic leaders and controls the media narrative . If populist movements arise , as was the case with Donald Trump in America before the 2016 elections , it will be the first to flood the airwaves with cries of he's literally Hitler and neo-Nazism , not to mention anti-Semitism .

You don't think all the pushback against Christian nationalism arose organically , do you ? Of course not . Again Crenshaw writes . Quote through disinformation and manipulation , bias , control of media talking points and presenting narrow self-interests as national interests , the blob is able to strong-arm the American people and Washington officials end quote .

Funding the war machine , it turns out , is a lucrative business . Politicians and defense contractors get filthy rich , the American people get fleeced and interventionist wars rage on in the name of democracy .

Though we'll say more in future episodes , one of the central tenets of the post-war liberal order is that nationalism must be crushed at all costs , except for the ethnostate of Israel , which must be championed at all costs . When it comes to US foreign policy , for example , israel is always a special friend to America . That must be supported without question .

Aipac , the insanely well-funded Israeli lobby , works hard to control Congress , while any detractors are immediately tarred and feathered as anti-Semites . After the Hamas attacks in October of 2023 , glenn Beck said that , quote to have the privilege to stand with the Jew is a tremendous honor , spiritually . End quote .

He promptly wrote a letter to Benjamin Netanyahu requesting Israeli citizenship for himself . Ben Shapiro , meanwhile , interviewed British conservative Douglas Murray , who said that Israel is quote the core of Western civilization . Western civilization could not survive the destruction of the Jewish state because it would be , among much else , the cutting End quote on its watch .

Or everybody was forcibly deported from the Holy Land . Come on , of course not . End quote . Zionism , it turns out , is a key component of the post-war consensus orthodoxy . Crenshaw explains why . Quote the love of one's own and attachment to one's people , history , customs and national life cannot be entirely squashed . It needs an outlet .

The outlet is the affection foreigners show toward the Israeli state and the destiny of the Jewish people . Their prosperity , freedom and destiny are our prosperity , freedom and destiny .

We see this in the 20th century invention of a Judeo-Christian vocabulary and conceptuality meant to tie the fate of America to Judaism , erase America's uniquely Protestant history and founding and to unite America's fractious religious sects against any common enemy such as godless communism .

Israeli nationalism represents the antithesis of European and , by extension , american nationalism that sought to destroy the Jews . Under the liberal international order , Israel alone is allowed to have an ethno-nationalist state , and all other peoples must repress their own nationalist feelings and channel them toward unwavering and obsequious support for Israel .

Only in this way can one truly prove that they are not an anti-Semite or a neo-Nazi end quote For most of us , the post-war consensus or liberal international order has been the assumed position we've all been catechized to believe . Few give it much thought . It just is .

The founding myth of the post-war consensus is deeply rooted in World War II , a story its proponents tell in a black and white fashion . It demands , in fact , a simplistic version of history . Hitler is unquestionably evil in every possible way . Churchill is unquestionably an unqualified hero in every possible way .

Recently I crowdsourced the folks on X to formulate a clear definition of the post-war consensus . We'll discuss that more in this episode . But there are at least seven key summary components of the post-war consensus . We'll discuss that more in this episode . But there are at least seven key summary components of the post-war consensus .

First , there is a black hat , white hat metanarrative about the Allies and Axis powers . Second , the post-war consensus is inherently anti-nationalist . Third , christianity had to adopt a new and supporting theological apparatus to prop up the post-war consensus . Fourth , westerners were discouraged from reproducing . Fifth , the rise of global militarism and the security state .

Sixth , globalist economics and the welfare state would dominate . Seventh and finally , westerners were forced to adopt universalized cultural principles , for example the assertion that America is an idea , not a people and place , and therefore anyone can become an American .

In this episode of the King's Hall podcast , we'll discuss the post-war consensus , why we think it's dying and why we think that's actually a good thing . Out with the weak gods that have destroyed the West and in with the strong gods that built the first Christendom . The King's Hall podcast exists to make self-ruled men rule well and win the world .

But this , among all other things , seems to upset and ruffle the feathers of particularly like the evangelical establishment . And so I want to you know , if you're a Neil Shenvey like , neil doesn't like this . Other unnamed people don't like this . Uh , being accused of being part of the post-war consensus in particular , is uh seen as a bad thing .

Yeah , so I just want you to unpack in the beginning , brian . Why do you think there's so much contention over the post-war consensus ? Yeah , because it's certainly not like a discussion you just have and people are like oh , that's interesting , let's think about that .

You leave the hospital with this software beginning to be programmed into your mind . Yeah , and so it's things like the innate goodness of democracy as an absolute good political ideal . Think about the . If you were to just poll the average American and say , should all nations be democracies ? And most Americans would have a default factory setting .

That's like of course , democracy is the highest political ideal , it's an unqualified good and therefore we are right . Think about how this justifies things like global warmongering . We are right to go into other nations , topple their leaders and then attempt to impose democracy on them , like we've attempted in throughout the Middle East .

You know you could think of the Zionism issue . One of the reasons that the Israeli ethnostate is seen as like such an unqualified good is that . Well , it's the . It's the only bastion of democracy in the Middle East , of our democratic , liberal , modern nation .

So whenever you run into the factory settings of a people and you start saying hey , by the way , that's not actually true . You're , of course , going to get pushback it's much deeper than that but I really think that's kind of the . The simplest way of thinking about it is just you're going against the software programming we've downloaded .

Now one of the important things to see is that this programming is extraordinarily novel . Like we said in the cold open , it really is the final outworking . It is the apotheosis of the French Revolution thinking . It was inchoate in the French Revolution ? Yes , it was . It was definitely inchoate in the french revolution .

So so I guess , brian , if you want to start , but why would that ?

Let's unpack that a little bit , because when you think about the two polls that we're talking about with the post-war consensus , this liberal international order that is a default software setting of modern westerners , the the other side of the this continuum is would be things like nationalism , monarchy , um , strong nationalistic leaders with strong borders , strong cultural

ethos , a particular people being shaped by and in a particular place that have self-protective laws and customs . They're not an open society , karl Popper , they're a closed society . You might come and trade and merchants might come in and you might visit , but you can't become a Sicilian if you are not a Sicilian .

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They're destroying that and making a claim , that is a moral and political , philosophical claim , that the people generally , in an egalitarian way , ought to be in charge and then that those people , um , when you start to remove that particularity and monarchy and strong loves and closed society and things like that , that fundamentally all of the peoples everywhere are

totally compatible and you can just mix and match at that point and you could end up having something like a globalist democratic order where all nations begin to look very similar and adopt all of the same kind of ideas , from their moral order , their political philosophy on down .

The French Revolution is one of the first major salvos against all of those strong loves , hierarchy , monarchy , nationalism , in favor of something like what we see today open borders , open society , egalitarian democracy .

But it's historically uncontroversial to note that the nationalism that the various nations of Europe on the continent , as well as England since the 400s , was certainly shaped by the Christian faith , and what the Christian faith was able to do is assert kind of two things at the same time .

That gave the possibility of harmonious international cooperation without losing distinction , which is that , in a spiritual sense , in the kingdom of God there is neither barbarian , scythian , slave or free . So in the kingdom of God , the Christian church , it is genuinely the peasant .

The poor slave peasant stands in equal footing , in terms of his status as a royal priesthood , with the king of the nation before God in the kingdom of God . However , at the same time , christianity does not erase earthly distinctions .

It actually glorifies , perfects and brings them to their fullness , returns them to their creational order , to their nature , in a glorified way . And so that allowed for two things to carry on at the same time . You could have beautiful particularity of nations and loves and customs and culture .

You could have hierarchy throughout a society that was not inherently unrighteous just because it was hierarchy .

And you could also have this superseding or ultimate or heavenly or kingdom of heaven sense in which there was a way of understanding and affirming human dignity and all of these other very Christian concepts that lead to legal and ethical and cultural implications in a society , even politically on earth .

So what you get with the LIO and the post-war consensus and the French Revolution on is we talked about it a little bit in the cold open but one of the things needed to justify that is a novel theological apparatus that collapses those two kingdoms together and it basically leverages the kingdom of heaven status to erase the earthly distinction .

And this is what egalitarians do with sex , it's what egalitarians do with communism , it's what egalitarians do with all sorts of things . Well , now , the post-war consensus is just a working out of that principle when it comes to nations and peoples yeah , it's really interesting .

So when you think about even the way that somebody like Russell Moore 10 years ago with the ERLC was saying things like yeah , it's great , we want to help fund the building of mosques in America , fund the building of mosques in America you look at the framework of how a lot of Christians today have been trained to think according to the liberal order , and then

what Brian said you needed a whole new theological apparatus to support that new way of thinking . But I just want to get your take what do you think that's done to Christianity in America that it's been reworked in such a way ?

I mean fundamentally , if the entirety of the law is summed up in love God and love your neighbor , and you erase those loves through nihilism and through this pluralism , essentially begging the question of who even is my neighbor ?

Everybody is my neighbor , I guess , and so I must love everyone equally , and I cannot actually it's sinful if I have a stronger love towards one person than another .

You actually erase all loves and so it becomes a people that are easy to subjugate in something that I , eric , you and I probably , maybe , maybe Brian as well when we were younger , do you remember ? Like even , uh , you know , in in speeches for awards and stuff , people are just like I want world peace .

I want world peace , and I think that's definitely one of the aims in this um , in this like post French revolution world . Is that , how do you actually attain world peace ? Well , if you make everyone your countrymen , everyone your family . Well , if you make everyone your countrymen , everyone your family , everyone your brother , then what's there to fight about ?

Because you actually don't have any will , you don't have any love , you don't have any identity .

What we've done is we've replaced them with this moral order of there is no bad thing , there is no preferences , are our gods , you can do and be whatever you want , and it leads to the kind of nonsense that we all heard growing up of , like this whole idea of you .

Know , now I may not agree with your uh , love to bugger other man , but I'd , I'd fight to the death for your right to bugger other man , right , and that's seen as like a moral good . Yeah , and actually that guy is stupid if he's . You're willing to die in a war for the right to have gay sex , like what ?

So you saw this , even Obama speaking , I think , in Egypt , where he's talking about how Muslims and Christians basically worship the same God . There was a recent ex post that somebody had created with Dennis Prager and he was like you know , Jews and Christians . We basically have the same core values .

Dan , watching your face during the cold open reading when I was about to throw something .

Rise of dispensationalism as a completely novel theology . Dispensationalism also tied to , you know , zionism , where you know , I remember years ago asking neighbors why are you flying an israeli flag under the american flag ? And almost nobody could tell you why .

They were like well , well , you know they're our special friend and you know we have to be committed to the peace of Israel . And that's sort of how the consensus works , is , people never seem to question it . And then when you do question it , you'll get Christian leaders who immediately start lambasting you for questioning that .

But I do want to ask , just on the dispensationalism , why do you think ? Because a lot of people might say like , why do you guys critique that ? Why are you , you know , critiquing Zionism as a theological position ? So what kind of answer would you give to that ?

The history of dispensationalism I'd find to be particularly interesting because it's definitely a novel theology During the Second Great Awakening in the United States that's really where it came out of is during that time period , the same time as Seventh Day Adventist Mormonism and kind of uh now , I just offended a bunch of people .

It is insane , actually , dispensationalism is . It was popularized , though , by Schofield with his study Bible , the Schofield Bible . What's what I find to be particularly fascinating about the trajectory of dispensationalism is that I don't think it .

I think it was a novel theological position that was actually invented through a fever dream , but it was definitely latched onto around as like a vehicle that that helped accomplish means during the first and second great wars , world War One and World War Two .

And I think what you find is that because of this novel theological position that definitely places two peoples of God instead of just saying , well , I mean , who is a true Jew , actually one who has faith ? It's not just by the blood of Abraham .

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You have essentially these two peoples of God in a dispensational view and really us Gentiles , us Christians , are kind of like the redheaded stepchild , like , oh , you're lucky that you actually made it , but there's a real , true people of God still , and so when we say like , oh well , it's , it's by faith that you're actually a true child of Abraham , that's that

, that's actually how you become like a true son of Abraham is by faith in Christ , they would say something like well , that's replacement theology , because you're saying that the church replaces Israel in a way , and we would say , no , no , the continuity between old and new covenant is actually always been faith .

It's always been faith Even , I think , because of the misunderstanding of covenant theology . People would ask the question then well , how was a Jew saved ? Well , it was by following the law . Right , that's how they were saved , by sacrifice , by abstaining from non-kosher meats or whatever , they would say in confusion .

And the answer has always been you're saved by faith .

And I've heard people say this and at first I was kind of skeptical , but I see some validity here that the bulk of what the Christian faith is , particularly in America , is a counterfeit faith , Like this idea that we are talking about this new theological apparatus .

Like to Calvin , it would be utterly foreign to the Christian faith as he understood it from the founding of the church .

You have a really hard time squaring the new Testament with a lot of things that are said in the intersectionality wokeness CRT conversation , even antisemitism being a special form of racism . You tend to not find these categories in actual Christian teaching .

Going all the way down , you find that we've , you know , lost the plot on a lot of these things and have been shaped by , um , modernist ideas . Sex piety would be another one . Sex piety is another one .

Like you used darwinism , uh , along with egalitarianism , along with feminism , there have been these corrosive ideologies that they recognize , in a Gramscian way , I think , proponents of many of these ideologies , that the most effective way to convert a Christian people who Christianity is diametrically opposed to all those things , that what they were going to have to do

was convince Christians that their own faith demanded them to be feminists and demanded them to be egalitarians , and demanded them to be all of these things . And so you know , you see how you could develop .

Over a long , slow period of time , the default settings of American Christians became well , not only , of course , is democracy and openness and all these things not only are their key American values , but their key Christian values . And what that is is . It's a perversion and an inversion , sometimes in very subtle ways .

That's justified with passages of scripture ripped out of their context and out of the especially out of the context of Christian theological history , and claimed that now , if you want to be a good Christian , you must affirm these things .

That's when you've completely won , when you've convinced your opponent that if they are going to be a good , whatever they are , they have to agree with your positions . Then they'll do all of your work for you .

Yeah , but there's a lot of Christians in America who believe that sort of thing .

non theological categories into the realm and sphere of the church to determine orthodoxy .

So that's what we're seeing right now , with like the anti-Semitism or Nazism or some of these other debates going around right now on the right , is that you're actually your view on Israel , the modern nation state of Israel is determining whether you're an orthodox Christian or not , because you can't have any strong loves , remember , except for Israel .

That's the one exception you , you know , brought up in the cold open well , that's such a good point .

And you go look at the tweet and it's basically something about yeah , I don't think that we should support unfettered immigration . And you're like , wait , wait a minute , did you violate the pwc or did you violate christian orthodoxy ? But you see how , in many ways , the pwc has become christian orthodoxy for people it has .

They will now do your work for you . You won't have to send in a communist subversive to a church to get them to enforce enforce radical egalitarianism . They'll actually start doing it themselves . The pastors will start enforcing it .

The , the men of the church , the women of the church , will start enforcing it for you , and pretty soon you'll have Matt Chandler hiring the black six over the white . You'll have .

You really just have to have to capture the gatekeeping mechanisms of institutions that that form and protect , guard culture and political values and religious values .

Once you've done that , those mechanisms will make a people whose white blood cells , their , their ideological immune system , will actually defend itself against your opponent , against anti postwar consensus type stuff , which is why there is such an emotional reaction to a lot of this stuff .

Literally when we lay this stuff out , I've had lengthy conversations with people who started like thinking that we're crazy . And then you start having a conversation with them and ask them a few questions and say , well , this is what I believe , what do you think about that ?

Pretty soon by the end of the conversation , they're like , wow , that's pretty much just completely reasonable and I see exactly what you're talking about . Maybe I disagree here or there and whatever . That's great , you can disagree here or there , there's lots of room for that .

But the vitriol , the emotion that gets stirred up when you start talking about this , the vitriol , the emotion that gets stirred up when you start talking about this . We've said it before it's the kind of thing that you get when you are approaching an idol and its vanguard of protectors , guards and priests .

The allies were white hats in virtually every sense , saving the world from the wicked axis powers that were bent on tyrannizing and dominating the entire globe . Any alleged allied atrocities weren't atrocities at all , but necessary steps to combat this civilization destroying threat .

So I guess , just expound on that , for me I think this is mainly obviously allies and access world war two . But when you start reading something like Buchanan's book Churchill , hitler and the unnecessary war , it's interesting .

Becauseanan's book Churchill , hitler and the Unnecessary War , it's interesting because in that book he doesn't say Hitler was just amazing , he says he was an opportunist , there's lots of things that were done that were evil and bad . But he also says let's correct the historical view on Churchill .

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In a conflict or in an issue , you appoint yourself as the hero of the story and you have to do that . The flesh wants to do this . It wants to say I'm the good guy , I'm going to justify everything I ever did , even if it was questionable to an outside observer . If they really understood , they would know why I had to do the thing that I did .

And the other person ? It was really all their fault and it was all them . They're evil , they're bad , they ruined everything . That's how we tend to cast ourselves in stories .

It was the largest , and I would say china , chinese maoist communism is another , you know , maybe rival to the greatest of these , but those two States created the greatest like panopticon of police state , total subservience of citizens , the destruction of of human , of the human will , the destruction of a people and all of its cultural Christianity .

It's Christianity Um , the , the , the workers paradise of the Soviet union was a statist hell to live in , right ? So that was actually part of the allied forces in world war two .

Um , now , if you read a lot of , a lot of what people hear , when you start to say that sort of thing is in , maybe in post-production martin could do this , but you know , like , make the scene purple for a second and like , put the lady's hair on my head .

So what you're saying is hitler never sinned and he is , you know , the greatest christian of all time and you know there was unqualified . No , again , the point isn't that we're just trying to trade white hat , good hat back and forth when we're approaching a complicated historical event .

We're actually just trying to do sober analysis of it , so that we can say this is why this event happened , this is what was evil , this is what was good . These were noble motives . These were ignoble motives , Even if you read something like a banned book .

You know David Irving's , hitler's War , which is like a band , even though , it's funny , like the US military had it in their curriculums forever , it's like , but then it becomes super controversial and banned , and David Irving becomes basically , like you know , an anathema in the historical community , even though he's arguably one of the best selling historians of all

time . Even in that book , hitler's not presented as an unqualified saint , not at all Like . It's just a sober , you know , telling of history based on primary source documents only . That's the , the idea of David Irving's historical approach there .

So what we want to do is just find a white hat , put it on ourselves , and , and then take the black hat and put it on our opponents . What you find out , though , is that it was it was actually much more complicated than that the , the , the , the idea that had grown up around world war one and world war two . What was that ?

Essentially , the Teutonic , the German peoples were were innately warlike and they had to be crushed and or they would always just be going out and conquering and destroying everybody until they either took over the world or you completely crushed and got rid of them . That was like the idea that had developed , but it's just far more complicated than that .

In fact , I would say that when you look at nationalism-communism , the communists ironically like the American liberal international order democracy ideals . Both of those are totalizing political theories that purport to be the correct political theory for all nations and all places and all times and all peoples .

Communism and the liberal international order democracy they both exist want to make that claim that we should be , that ideally , every nation would look like our nation in its political theory and its apparatus . Communism does that and liberal international order does that , whereas nationalism actually allows for quite a bit of particularity .

You could have monarchy , you could have various forms of constitutionalism , you could have lots of different formats , but the idea is that a people , because of its customs , history , language , place , all of that , is going to develop around within reason .

It's going to develop its own ruling customs and , of course , it's still required by God to enforce moral truth , objective moral truth that can be accomplished through various political apparatuses .

What we did with the World War I and World War II notion was that , you know , basically I think , we imported our own totalizing political ideologies onto German nationalism and basically we said well , they're trying to do what we're trying to do , which is to make the world a democracy .

They're actually trying to make the world German nationalism , which is an absurd historical claim . It's just not what they were trying to do .

This is kind of what you get . One of the other things you point out is obviously that the PWC is anti-nationalist . We've we've kind of covered that .

But one that's interesting to me is that there is a western focused anti-natalism that is associated with the pwc and you say predominantly white westerners were encouraged to limit reproduction for the sake of environmentalism , concordantly with large-scale immigration from third world countries , countries into the West .

A people who doesn't consider themselves a people at all won't reproduce . So immigrants must be imported to buoy economic growth and to consolidate power . This is really interesting , I mean . In one way it's simple , because if you can force a people through sterilization , through the pill , there's many ways to do this through abortion .

But if you can force a people through sterilization , through the pill , there's many ways to do this through abortion . But if you can convince a people that they ought not to have the will to even exist , then certainly you will crush and destroy that culture , but then it actually amplifies , dan , when you put the third world in America .

This seems to be one that's interesting to me because in the last five years particularly , this is what has caused so much revolt , I think , of the American populace . Unlike Europe , we haven't gone as quietly on this issue .

When you see , obviously you know Lake and Riley news stories , but you can go to West Haven just down the road from here and you have these villages of Venezuelans popping up , and then you read in the paper daily about the crime that's going on in these neighborhoods , which used to be nicer , suburban white neighborhoods , and now they're being overrun by truly

like cartel level crimes , like piles of dead bodies found in the trunk of cars . And so I think . Correct me if I'm wrong , but I think this one people are pushing back against , rightly so .

But I do think that a lot of the work that we're doing and others on the dissident right and encouraging large families , this actually goes back to the resurgence of post-millennialism and valuing your generations . I think that's definitely catching on and you do see it ironically in traditional trad wife , traditional secular culture .

Maybe you saw the post the other day on X and it was . It was just a young mom with a baby and she's like I , it's , it's baby's nap time and I just don't want to . I don't want to put baby down , he's just snuggling with me . I want to be . I love being a mom .

I would , I would have a million more babies and that was the post wholesome , great and really recovering something , uh , part of the loves that's been killed in us , which is just the will to exist , the will to have your name go into generations , the will to actually , um , have something of you last in this world , to be able to influence the world for the

good for your own children . I mean , that's something that has largely died .

Ironically , though , the third world hasn't been influenced in the same way , and so you bring a lot of these illegal immigrants into America or into Europe , into dominant Western cultures , and they have huge families and they do displace a people , and you do see that , and there are lots of ways .

I know we talked in the last episode did we talk about how economic policy really discourages large families ?

So there's many different ways that this is actually being attacked in your will to exist and for your generations to exist , and the first and foremost , like Brian mentioned in his tweet , is through sterilization and then murder of your own children through abortion . But there are other ways of discouraging that , such as like pay your bills .

Like it's really hard right now . How am I supposed to feed a kid when my wife and I both have to work just to exist ?

If you go back and you look at like the Nixon era , it was pretty much a lock that you know white evangelical conservatives , predominantly like the Republican Party , would control the future of America . That changes with the 1964 Civil Rights Act and then later immigration reform .

And so now I think the Democrats were wise , right , evil , but wise in this way that they were like look , if we flood the country with people who are on welfare , then we're going to have a natural voting block and we can displace the establishment . So talk just a little bit about the problem with the welfare state . We have social security .

We have again new deal , new deal policies that are still in play today fiat currency and other things . Why is that such a problem ?

What is the good life ? What is the ideal man ? What does he do ? What are his duties ? This is the Western traditions . Greek and Roman philosophy is asking this question .

Christ comes as the God man and he shows us what the good life is and he establishes his people and he's renovating the creational wiring of those people away from the sinful perversions of the flesh and back to what God created man to be and to do .

I say all the time in sermons that the glory of a thing is that thing being and doing what it was made to be and do by God .

So a man is a glory when he is being and doing what a man was made to be and do , which is to take dominion , win a worthy wife , have children , instruct them in the faith , raise them up as image bearers of God , all these things . So what ? The post-war consensus and really the long 20th century , like what it's doing is .

It's replacing all of these natural and when I say natural I mean here God created them to be and operate in a certain way with artificial abstractions . The family is no longer an actual family . The family is now an idea . A nation is no longer an extension of families in any way . A nation is just a vagary , it's an idea .

A nation is no longer an extension of families in any way . A nation is just a vagary , it's an idea . It's a mist . It's a political theory , it's a political ideology . An economic zone it's an economic zone . So what you have to do when you undermine these foundational , creational concepts is there's a vacuum , you have to replace them with something else .

Concepts is there's a vacuum , you have to replace them with something else . So think about the classical , the traditional , I think , the natural way that God created man to think and be for his history . Perverted by sin , certainly , but this just shows up over and over .

Well , god created for a household in an extended family to be an economic unit that would work together to achieve ends that would be for the good of those people in that extended family , not just the nuclear family . Even that is a shrinking down . But the extended family and intergenerational extended family is a clan , it's a tribe , it's a people .

You act for the good of those people .

Then the nation you could say the town , city , county , state , nation is an extension and an interconnection , a web of a lot of those units and they're bonded by certain things so that when you're seeking the good of your little extended clan , there's then also incentive for you to seek the good of this clan next to you Because hey , that's actually my third

cousin who's married to this person and you can see how this relational web of loves grows and how that is in an economy . That is what an economy is , and then nations can relate to each other as these kind of economic familial units of interconnected webs of love .

When you replace that with an amalgam of just an incoherent , homogenized global order where everybody is a global citizen , you're actually cutting systematically all of those bonds from the maximum level zoomed all the way out to the nation as it relates to the world , all the way down to the family .

So you have to start to replace these normal human mechanisms for how things like the economic welfare of your family would work Instead of having children whom you would bless with inheritance and they would care for you in your age .

allegiance to the universal church , Of course it's gotta be globalized but even Paul , we were thinking this as we're dealing with , you know , local instances of people needing help and charity and stuff like that . Even Paul would say to the widows hey , before you come to the church for charity , don't you have living family members who can help you out ?

Right , because there is a natural bond that wasn't destroyed by the grace of the gospel . In the New Covenant era , paul is saying yes , there's a primary allegiance from the family . I was even reading a statistic .

They said the number one indicator of whether or not there will be child abuse in a home is whether or not you have one or more parent who's not biologically the parent . Yes , now , why is that ?

There's something that has interrupted the normal , natural operation of things because of sin and its effect on the world and on people . So , of course , related to that , there's going to be less . There's going to be more dysfunction . So , of course , related to that , there's going to be less , there's going to be more dysfunction .

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Instead of a man with his , with his great grandchildren , a man and his wife and their grandchildren and their extended family , flourishing and pouring himself into that people for the glory of God and the good of his people .

Like , instead of that , now we have an isolated , atomized , individualized , deracinated version , where the state has replaced all of those highest ends with things like well , I have to have the biggest stock portfolio that I can . I want to make sure that I don't burden myself with dependents . Think about how we think of children . They're dependents .

They're not resources , they're not an inheritance , they're not arrows in my quiver anymore . They're dependents . So if I want to be independent , then I must free myself from these bonds and pursue maximal economic productivity , maximal dollars in my bank account , maximal stock price . Go up .

All of those fundamental answers that Christianity , especially over the centuries , came to a chord concerning , we've replaced with a novel doctrine , with a novel view of the good , a novel view of the chief end of man . Of course you're going to have the total .

If those things turn out to be lies , then man is building not on the cornerstone anymore of the God who made him and the worship of that God . He's now building on the shifting sands of a lie . And so , no matter what you do , the Soviet Union will not create a worker's paradise .

It won't even be able to compete with a nation that is in the process of apostatizing , like America . But do you ?

A big part of this answer is that everything that the liberal , international order , post-war consensus , communism , secular things across the political spectrum , whatever they're trying to accomplish is fundamentally at war with nature in the world that God made , and so part of this for Christians .

This is why I think reclaiming the old tradition of natural law is important , because I was thinking about this . Scripture obviously has much to teach us . We love scripture . It's the lamp that lightens our path . We want to walk in the precepts and commandments of the Lord .

All that , but take the kingly wisdom of Solomon , for example , the number of times when he's illustrating a point he says consider the ant , consider the rock badger , think about these things .

Or Paul will say something that is like foreign to the modern evangelical establishment , but he'll make actually just go straight to the heart on the homosexuality issue and he'll say does not nature teach you ? Yeah , Like this is unnatural , like this is unnatural . So it seems like we're also in a war against nature itself .

When we try to , you know , we try to say things like nations don't really exist , it's just you're not going to defeat nature , because what you're doing when you are warring against nature is you're warring against nature's God .

In fact , god's voice is so clear in nature that in Romans 1 , paul says that the unbeliever has to , every second of his life , suppress the truth in unrighteousness , we're told in Psalm 19 .

No , only special kinds of retards have been atheists through history , Like the vast majority of the human race has been like sky big , god real . It's . That's and that's not a bad interpretation of Psalm 19 sky big , god real , right .

So when we talk about natural revelation , natural theology , when we talk about these things as if they're completely indistinct , just because sinful man goes out and does what sinful man does with literally everything , including special revelation , which is to warp it to his own purposes , it doesn't mean the speech is indistinct .

If it's clear to them that they have to suppress the truth , how much more to the regenerate Christian and regenerate Christian peoples and nations ought they to be able to discern the creational intent of what God meant to do when he made a thing ? Like when you see a car , it doesn't take long for you to figure out what it's for .

The intent of the creator of the car wasn't indistinct . You watch a city for five minutes , even if you've never seen a car , you'd be like the intent of the creator of the car wasn't indistinct . You watch a city for five minutes . Even if you've never seen a car , you'd be like oh that's a thing you get in . It takes you from one place to another .

It seems like they put some kind of liquid in the tank and that seems to be required for it to go . It'll stop every three , like you could figure stuff out in about an afternoon . About a car and you go that's what a car is for Any unbeliever , right ?

So we look at the world that God made and we're saying that the creator of a car was so much clearer than the creator of the world about what it is and what it's for . No , no , there are sinners out there warping it and misusing it . They do the same thing with the Bible , though .

Give an unbeliever the Bible , they're Jordan Peterson , it you know , with all the cleverness in the world they'll be like . It's almost like the resurrection is like a metaphor and it depends on what you mean by resurrection and what you mean by the and what you mean by me . When you say happen , what do you mean ?

And then he cries for like 15 minutes and then people are like that's profound . So Jordan Peterson is doing a special revelation , what the unbeliever does with natural revelation , but it's not because the special revelation is unclear or the natural revelation is unclear .

So much of this just has to do like every I want you to like there should be a drinking game on X that anytime someone asks you for a Bible verse . When you state something obvious as pie about the natural world , you have to like actually they should have to take a shot . But you know what I mean .

Like you could say you have to like actually they should have to take a shot . But you know what I mean . Like you could say you know , nature teaches us that men shouldn't bugger one another . And they'd be like do you have a verse ? I'd be like actually I do , but I didn't even need one .

Are there other factors you would look at in our current environment that would lead you to believe something is changing in the way that people view the world ?

It only works for a little while , because what is it actually doing ? It's actually rebelling against the order of the world that God has made . And you can only rebel against God for so long . You know , before things just do not work . They fall apart , and so I think that's the first thing . You even see this in things like evolution .

Evolution is falling out of vogue very quickly . I mean , it is people Gen Z , younger millennials and such . You can , even you could , talk to them about evolution . They're like wait , so wait , evolution , what is that ? A single celled organism and it became a human being . Like that doesn't make any sense , like it's just not logical .

You could , you could just only tell lies for so long before people are like I'm not buying that anymore .

They become enemies because they're so unnatural in the world that God has made that the lies are no longer compatible . You see this within the uh , the LGBTQ and transgenderism , you know movements how they're actually opposed to one another . At this point it seems like they should be friends , but then they're like fighting .

You know , because it's both are unnatural , they're both lies and the lies are incompatible over time .

I think the other reality is that when you just squeeze a people , so that's like just talking about truth and reality , but the other the other , is much more like functional , physical , more boots on the ground than ideological is that you can only squeeze people for so long before they rebel , before they buck back at the ideas that are being forced upon them .

You see this throughout history .

I mean , when you have tyrannical rulers in just wicked societies , people rebel , they revolt , and I think that's what you're seeing in a very american way especially when the lies are not as subtle yeah , they're , they're paraded and they're obvious and that chick has a never mind , yeah , yeah , I mean when everybody knows that they're lying .

You know they're lying , we know they're lying , they know they're lying , everybody knows they're lying . We know they're lying , they know they're lying , everybody knows they're lying . Like and it actually hurts your ability to live .

That at that point becomes just you're living in a lie and you , well , you're not , you're not thriving in the lie , you're just surviving in the lie . And then they're they're saying in fact , that's not enough , you actually have to hate yourself , you have to hate your own people , I mean .

So the lies just continue to be perpetuated to the point where the only option is like I don't , it's nihilism , I don't know even why you exist , like you should be replaced , you scum . You shouldn't exist . You should hate yourself . I hate you , everybody hates you .

You should hate you and at some point and this is what we're seeing , this is the vibe shift and everything like that is people saying no , actually I don't believe your lies anymore . I in fact do want to exist and I want my generations to exist and I love my people , I love my church , I love my family .

Your lies , your , your labels , they don't work anymore . You have no power here .

But why would he be speaking out and leveraging his finances and his wealth now for something radically different ? I think . Also the call , especially for the listeners . It may be that you get called in to an elder's office . It may be because of something that you know you upset the elder's wife on X .

It may be that you get called into the HR lady's office , but there's going to come a point where you just have to say I don't care , I know what reality is , I know what reality is , I know what truth is , and I think that's why Lewis was it was smart to use puddle glum , cause he's not a hero , you know he's not a classical hero , but he turns out to

be one of the greatest heroes in the whole series , despite his whole vibe .

Third , recovering the American Will to Greatness . Dr Stephen Wolf's going to be there . We're going to have the Contramundum guys out . We're going to be . There's just going to be a lot going on .

The most important thing , honestly , though , about the conference other than great talks is really going to be the opportunity to make friends and forge coalition across our nation . We have people from all over the nation that come to our annual conference , and you're going to be able to meet like-minded folks .

We'll have some mechanisms for you to see who's from your region , but just to forge relationships where you can have an ever strengthening network of people who have your back and share your values . These are the things that allow us to build , honestly , it's network .

The more you learn , the more you'll find that it's not you yourself and you that's going to build . It's going to be you and this other guy and this other guy and a growing network of courageous , competent men who are like-minded , share the vision , and so we hope to inspire you at the conference , help you make good friends .

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It really it made me laugh because it was supposed to be like against all these Christian nationalists . And it was like you know , don't just pay attention to people who are like all these social media talkers , just talk a big game . Pay attention to the people who are building institutions and real coalitions and networks and things like that .

And then that very week I know they were trying to dunk on Christian nationalists that very week we've been now twice . Our elder team and our team has toured a Mormon ward which is a local Mormon church building . It's they . They're scattered throughout Utah .

In the Mormon world You're assigned to your church by neighborhood , but as the church has shrunk in its power and influence in the state of Utah , a lot of the Mormon words have gone up for sale . So there there are , these just great little one to three , four or five acre plots scattered throughout neighborhoods . One came up for sale right up the street .

We've been growing as a church and our school has been growing as well , and with that has come increased need for pastoral offices , for counseling school classrooms for our grades one through 12 school , classical school , st Brennan's here at the church , and so this one came up on the market and we're officially putting a letter of intent in this week to attempt

to buy this Mormon ward to use as our school . So it's just an amazing . We're so thankful to the Lord for prospering the local work here , the real in-person families on the ground here in Ogden , utah , one of the least reached people groups in the entire US , and the Lord has been blessing the work here . So , glory to God .

We are going to be doing a fundraising campaign if they accept our offer to basically make this happen . It's over a million dollars to buy a building like this in Utah , so we're doing a fundraising campaign . Keep , keep an ear out for that and help us take over a Mormon word for classical Christian education . In Jesus name , I love it .

Don't know what else to say other than that guys , yeah .

But instead take that ugly webbed foot and put it in the witch's fire and break the spell of the lies that are being told . And who knows what God could do . Maybe you could be looking at buying a Mormon ward to put a Christian school in . And with that , festin Alente , we'll talk to you next time on the King's Hall .

So stick around , we'll see you there , thank you .