Trump's Survival, J.D. Vance, & Anti-White Racism with Jeremy Carl

I'm one of your hosts , Eric Kahn , joined today by the raging Cajun Frenchman . Can we ?

But july 13th last saturday , somebody , somebody's taking shots at a rally at former president and president-elect donald the real the true president , you like that .

Uh , I just want to get your reaction this moment politically . Uh , what , what ? What are you reading in the tea leaves here ?

So I hadn't been like looking at Twitter for a while and I thought , like you , this is this , this can't be . This got to be one of those misfire news announcements . Something else happened , because it's just , everybody predicts it .

I myself was like , yeah , they're going to try to kill Trump , tucker , alex Jones , many such cases of those guys making correct predictions . But there was something that happened by the time I was done processing Trump , going down , thinking it's over , like they've , they got him . I thought , maybe they got him .

See him come , come back up fighting the secret service guys to fist pump , fight , fight , fight . And there was something in me that just went electric and it was like this patriotism , this like will to fight , came alive and I thought we cannot let them have this country . We can't let them do this , like this is our country .

And it was surprising , even to me how powerful that was . Yeah , that feeling .

Similarly , you know , looking at the video somebody showed it to me having no idea what happened and a similar experience to what you had experienced as well , Brian , with that electricity , the thing that really stood out to me is immediately I thought this was either this was scripted by Trump and magically he only was hit in the ear , or something like that ,

which I think is absolutely ridiculous . But more than likely it was a real assassination attempt . He showed his true colors in an unscripted moment , under risk of his own life , as shots rang out and you actually get to see the true character of a man in that moment , something that you can't prepare for . That happens and what do you do .

And the way Trump reacted was a display of true courageous masculinity . Yeah , that , I think , is why it was so electric , because you don't see those opportunities right , you don't get those opportunities . Most men , lord willing , will not be in a situation where they're being shot at on stage .

And his reaction , I think , showed his true colors , because there's a part of you that kind of assumes like you know , he's a big businessman , he's now a politician , and all of those guys are probably snakes , right , they're probably cowards on the inside . But that's not what he showed , and I think that's part of the reason why it was so powerful .

Plus there's the bigger ramifications .

They've thrown everything they could to keep this man out of office .

And then you see this debate , this disastrous debate for Biden , where the mainstream media , though they already should have been the case , but for any idiot who still believed them , the entire mainstream media is basically , in one evening , utterly discredited as having no honor or connection to truthfulness or principle or care for the country whatsoever .

These are the people that were propping up a man to have the nuclear codes , the commander in chief of our armed forces , the most powerful military in the world , and the man needs a bedpan like he's . He's , he's senile , which we've all known . Right Unmasked . Trump is going to win , like there's no way , and then , and then you go .

What's the last thing that they can try to do ? They can try to blow his head off and on live TV and leave us with Nikki Haley , or , you know , leave , you know some equally disastrous alternative on the Republican side and against all odds , at every turn , the man has risked his freedom , he's risked his fortune .

He could have gone and to his high rise long ago and done whatever the heck he wants , that someone has hundreds of millions of dollars or billion dollars can do , and instead he , he keeps putting himself in these situations .

And to me , whatever disagreements I have politically aside with this or that aspect of the platform or of of Trump's person or whatever it just it was like I respect , I respect this guy , I respect this man and it's . I was surprised . Like I've said already , I respect this guy , I respect this man .

And I was surprised , like I've said already , I was surprised at the power of the response that even I had , like in my own soul . I was going . It was just a moment since the providence of God . We're watching the story God is writing unfold and it is not what I predicted . No , I thought Trump would fade into obscurity after 2020 . Is not what I predicted ?

No , no , I thought Trump would fade into obscurity after 2020 . I thought we're screwed , we're cooked . There's going to be no . People are always talking about red wave , this red wave that after the libs take , you know , yet more ground , and I don't know . It was just . It was just a wild . I'll never forget that . It was just a wild .

I'll never forget that . It's it's up there , like that was in 9-11 . I remember exactly every everything related to that day , and then this would be the next one for me that I'm like I'm never gonna forget this yeah , I think in many ways , andrew Torbo was right .

It could be one of these moments where the plans of the wicked backfire Because one of the things that happened was I mean this like in a way , I've never seen in my lifetime energized people on the right , so they shoot at Trump . It looks like there's all this shady stuff going on with the Secret Service and their detail .

I mean major questions that need to be answered Absolutely , and I love this . In an article titled One Inch Away on the American reformer , this is Timon Klein and Josh Abatoy .

So two days afterward , they write this and they said it reminds us of the meme that Trump has been famous for repeating they aren't coming for me , they're coming for you , and I'm just in the way , and I think on that stage , in that moment , we felt it . They continue and they write this .

That Trump is still standing and pumping his fist is a powerful psychological symbol , inspiring waves of new endorsements from the likes of Elon Musk and Bill Ackman , am amidst other reports that even places like San Francisco that day were awash with MAGA hats . So I mean , this changed things absolutely .

But you know , they also point to this thing where , just like Teddy Roosevelt , they said you're starting to see a great man take shape and they write this . They say love him or hate him . They said you're starting to see a great man take shape and they write this . They say love him or hate him .

Any historically conscious observer must admit both the gravity of that moment and the uniqueness of the man in it . This is what Trump told the examiner . I said I've got to walk out . I have to walk out , I will not be carried out of here , adding that he wanted to keep speaking . And they were like absolutely , not Trump . No , this is what's so amazing .

They said this is time and client .

That's the difference between him and me I don't miss . What a loser , unbelievable . So Ty McLean and Josh Abitoy , they go on . They said after last Saturday , no one can claim and I think this is to your gentleman's point earlier no one can claim that Trump is just in it for himself .

Men don't take bullets for their own vanity , but great men do for their country . Yeah , while Trump is associated with and guilty of many personal vices , he now stands for many public virtues , resolve patriotism , stands for many public virtues , resolve patriotism and courage . Courage , after all , they say , does count . Powerful , I mean powerful world .

So we get into this interview and this is kind of a providential interview because some months ago , uh , we had started the schedule with jeremy carl and we said he has a new book out , the unprotected , all about anti-white racism , very popular topic in today's world . If you're not , tracking .

But now you've got guys like jeremy carl and clearly he was working on this for quite a while . Um , that book , but it's so interesting now it's mainstream .

So you know , I'm focused and fixated , as you all know , on , you know , solving the Twitter mysteries , the X mysteries of what actually happened , like many other Americans , and I look at my schedule and I had forgotten all about it . I said Tuesday I have a interview with Jeremy Carl .

The assassination attempt has just happened and I was like , wow , this is really providential . And of course , Jeremy was in the first Trump administration and really the things that he was specializing in are multiculturalism , nationalism and immigration . I said , well , who better to talk about this ? Of course , if you're on X , Jeremy has been .

I mean , you check out his Twitter feed . He's been firing off some real bangers following this . Of course , he's talked before and has some connection with JD Vance . Jeremy was one of the first people and we'll ask him about it in this interview , but he was one of the first people I saw saying no , no , no , no , no . Do not blackmail over JD Vance .

This is a good thing for sort of our camp , more or less . And of course , last night he goes out on the RNC and what does he do ? He delivers this banger of a speech about how America is not an idea , it's a people and a place , and he says that people will not fight for abstractions . They fight for their home .

It's hard to keep track of these because we've had so many moments like this and it feels like recently , but but that's like it was almost like shrugging off of the of some long you know long held weight that you'd carry it on your shoulders forever . In like our globalist neocon .

People are over it , and and not only were they not there , who was , there was one guy from the from that sort of era , mitch McConnell , was there and he got booed .

We're not going back , but just like it's not a coincidence that the next day Elon Musk comes out and he pledges forty five million dollars a month to the Trump reelection efforts these things , very savvy political operator , not just technologically and engineering and business , but also in terms of his relationship to government .

But on the other hand , elon Musk is a guy who's now experienced on probably 15 or 20 different fronts and we don't even know about a lot of them the ways in which his own country , the leadership of his own country , despised him , hated him , spat upon him .

Even while he's working to the best of his ability with his ideas of what will be best for his country and for America and for the world , he's giving 100 plus hour weeks every week of his life to try and build these companies that he believes are going to benefit his country and his , his state and all these things . And what do they do you have like ?

Biden doesn't even acknowledge that elon musk is the one who built the ev electric vehicle world . And he who does ? He invite to the white house and congratulate , like ford and chevy ev people and their evs are terrible snubs , elon , I mean terrible and they're terrible . They suck like .

My dad's friend got a ford lightning and it's like ford lightning like a ford brick would have been a better word , for it was like in the shop three months within the first week or something like they're terrible it's just recall , it's horrible .

In every state he's operated his businesses in , they're waging administrative bureaucratic war on him , trying to hamstring his companies . And it's because they hate him . Yeah , because he's . He hasn't kowtowed to their totalitarianism . Well , he's not even like in terms of policy .

Elon musk is not like the guy that I want in charge of everything in the world , but it just shows he's ready . He's one of the guys that's like we have to fight with everything we are and not go quiet into that good night of leftist totalitarianism . I think the fight for our nation .

I also don't think it's , you know , just a sheer coincidence that the same week , this week following the attempted assassination , we have Gavin Newsom in California passing this outrageous bill which basically forbids parents from intervening in their child's sex change . Intervening in their child's sex change and Elon says enough , I'm done with this .

And I think it's SpaceX or whatever's left of Tesla , anything they had left in California . He pulled the plug . He said we're out , we're going to Texas .

And I'm like I I can't think in what timeline like if you would have asked me five years ago , right , if major players , uh , we're going to be talking about getting out of public school , I would have said no way , they're not going to Like .

You have to get them out right and we're getting completely I mean destroyed regularly as these fringe crazy out there conspiracy theorists fast forward now , post 2020 , it's like mainstream and now you got elon musk . He's like you got to homeschool your kids , guys . You got to get your kids out of the public schools .

One of the things you talked about is sort of this idea that we need a new elite , a new academia , like we don't just need pastors , we need , of course , working men , but we also need a new elite . It was one of the things that Jeremy Carl brought up . He had written an article I think it's in 2022 for the American Conservative yeah , may 2022 .

So he brings this up and he says you know , I wrote an article . The title is Towards a Republican Counter-Elite . He said , and there's a subtitle the campaigns of Barry Goldwater and Donald Trump highlight the danger of attacking the elite without developing a viable counter-elite to replace it with . And so we get to talking about this .

You'll hear more in the interview , but it's interesting . I said , jeremy , do you remember who they used for the cover image ? He said , jeremy , do you remember who they used for the cover image ? He said , no , I don't . I said it's JD Vance . So maybe prophetic . So funny . Anyway , funny exchange on that . But , brian , I just want to ask you about that .

Why is it so important ? Yeah , the Trump administration , I think , learned the first time that they didn't have the bureaucratic personnel to successfully run things the way they wanted . So that's a lesson learned . But in this moment , do we not have to take that also into consideration ?

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We have to say to Christian families as you're thinking about Christian education and raising your children , young men , as you're thinking about what to aspire to vocationally , we've made the mistake of sort of putting forward the clergy role , the ministerial role as , like , this is the place where all of our elite men ought to aspire .

And we do need elite men in clergy roles . We need elite men who are courageous and competent as pastors Huge , huge holes in the clergy right now on those areas .

But we actually need to work hard to put forward as a positive vision for our sons for young men to aspire to be elites in the world of business , finance , management , leadership , statesmanship , political theory , law , culture , media , like .

Imagine how different it would be over the last 20 years if the thing that the evangelical Protestant world had been known for was producing truly elite leaders in the worlds of media and politics . That is not what we're known for .

We're known for having strong views on marriage and family , which are very important , and moral issues like abortion and homosexual marriage or just homosexuality in general .

We need that , but we're not really well known for producing elite businessmen and elite statesmen who have taken the time to go and learn political theory and law and go through the normal channels where our country has historically produced elite political leaders .

So what we've done is we've actually we've tried to influence from the outside , be kind of badgering the parties about moral issues , kind of moral majority issues , without actually prioritizing getting our people to be the most competent possible .

People in me Imagine that the last 20 years if we had had a very strong culture of Christian media that was elite on the level of political media and we didn't we didn't produce that . We produced a lot of cheat , some cheesy stuff .

We did have some , some men who were definitely in that like Falwell , was definitely politically savvy and influential and things like that but we weren't generally known for producing the type of guy that you'd be like you're going to get a vice presidential nominee or a presidential nominee .

Who's like yeah , I'm reformed and Protestant and I grew up in from this homeschool Christian community or this private Christian school and well , I want to get what Catholics do . I mean a lot of people do , the left certainly does , but we haven't .

saying , if the president isn't someone qualified to be my pastor , could be a member in good standing with my church and , by the way , agrees with all of my theological idiosyncrasies then I am going to publicly just destroy him on Twitter .

There doesn't seem to be a lot of Christians who are what I would just call realists where we say , like , look , political coalition is not the same thing as who can be a pastor in my church . That's a different question and in our political moment , particularly like you're probably not going to get a candidate who is one-to-one with you on everything you think .

So why , Dan , do you think is it unwise to say like I can't vote for Trump because of there are definitely policies I don't like , there's definitely things that I would disagree with him , but just to write it off and say like , no , I won't vote for anybody , that's sort of my tip . Why is that problematic ?

When you don't apply the wisdom of the law and the Proverbs well to real life , where your theology actually touches the ground , you're going to be impotent . You're not going to really produce much fruit at all , because in a large part , what it means is that you don't have a category in which to view the real world .

You only have this pie-in-the-sky utopianistic sort of way of looking at the world , and so anything less than your utopian ideals won't actually function , because you have no way to apply wisdom in the real world , and so it makes existing in the real world impossible , because everything has to be narrowed down to your ideals .

And when I say impotent , I mean like these people can't , they're good for nothing . There's still image barriers , don't get me wrong , but they , as far as actually like doing something , there's one thing that they're really good at , and that's fussing . They're really good at fussing , but it's like a blinder that goes over the eyes .

They cannot see what is happening in the real world . It just doesn't make sense to them . They don't have a category for it , which is part of the reason why you see so many category errors committed on Twitter .

When you start talking about the political realm and you're looking at guys like Trump , and here we are , we're mega maxing or whatever know , or whatever you know , and and they just see it as like oh he's . You know he's not really pro-life , you know he's not an abolitionist , and so therefore , that's an automatic non-starter .

They need to clean this up . And yet I can still appreciate the Trump moments , I can still appreciate JD Vance and I can say at least we have some guys who they really are willing to listen to people on our side .

It was almost a perfect description of the point where , at this inflection point where you have this , the GOP as it has been shaped by both Trumpism and that old guard republicanism . It's a mix and Trumpism . We have to be totally honest about this . It's populism . It's populism and Trump is not super principled when it comes to the pro-life issue .

Of course he's not , or and he's definitely not when it comes to the gay issue or the LGBTQ agenda .

You have seen the celebration of the removal of , like traditional marriage from the RNC planks , policy planks and platform planks , and that's insane , like that's a totally stupid move , just like the removal of the pro-life stuff is a totally stupid move and it's wrong and in a lot of ways it does reflect trump's values and that sort of thing .

It it's also interesting .

He said well , first of all , trump's walkout music he came out to , this is a man's world . I think that's a james brown song . He said that was pretty interesting . You know they're celebrating the fact that , like this is the dude , yeah , like he's a king , he's a chat .

And then he said , all throughout the conference , major nationalist , like we would describe in Christian nationalism camps . All the pandering speakers got very short time and basically were ignored . Most of the crowd was not paying attention . And he said when you look at the audience , they seem very disinterested in those conversations .

And I think what was going on , according to him , was that , yeah , that was the most flashy stuff that the media wanted to cover , but most of the people there were like I'm not paying attention to this .

There's a really important point that Josh Dawes made on Twitter that I thought was so good , connected a lot of dots for this and connects to the Hindu prayer , even though it's not part of his tweet . Think about why that woman was on stage . I can't remember her name , but this woman is a legal rock star . She's Hindu . And this woman is a legal rock star .

She's Hindu and she has single-handedly given her life and life's work to running some of the most important conservative legal projects in terms of bringing things to the courts , suing Go . Look at the list of things that she's accomplished .

And that woman has done more for conservatism than give me one of her in terms of what she's done than 100 average evangelical Christian political types . Okay , first of all that . Secondly , here's what Josh Dawes said and it connects His tweet was GOP can we speak at your church ? Christians no , gop . How about handing out your church ? Christians no , gop .

How about handing out voter guides ? Christians no GOP . Can you send some folks to volunteer . Christians we only serve Jesus . Gop Donations Christians Ha ? Gop Dot dot dot . Okay , christians , why has the GOP abandoned us ? This is the point about the elites and political involvement in actual groundwork .

What evangelicals want is to be able to just use words and say stop doing all the things that you shouldn't do . And they're correct about the things that they're pointing at gay stuff , abortion . What Christians have been really bad at doing in the conservative space is taking concrete political action .

That requires more than them simply saying something they want authority without responsibility . They don't want to take responsibility . So here this hindu woman's going out and she's like , oh , they can't have , they can't have this country . Like she probably doesn't sound like that , whatever .

Like they can't have this country'm going to go spend my life's work on the legal front , so waging war with the left . And then she gets up and she prays to redeem in God and we're like how could , how could the Hindus have done this to us ? Or the RNC ? And the RNC is like well , christian , like what have you Christians been doing politically speaking ?

Like have you been pretty influential in local GOP politics and in the raising up political elites and in groundswell political effort ? It's like , no , we haven't , we've just been saying things .

But yeah , when you look at the actual track record , it says this article , which is in the india or the times of india , it says that she is an avid anti-abortionist who has spent her life's work trying to now uphold Roe v Wade , protect traditional marriage and yeah .

Roman Catholics in America have been some very important voices in the anti-abortion fight . In terms of practical resourcement , I agree with the abolitionists all the way down the line when it comes to the political strategy of pro-life appeasement , which is anti-Christian and has given us defeat after defeat after defeat .

The abolitionists I want to throw them a bone here . They're right about that . They're right about the , because the moral majority former GOP Bush kind of Republicans . They talked a lot about abortion . They did almost nothing about it . Trump didn't talk about it as much .

And then was the most pro-life president in turn to the pro-life march , got roe v wade overturned . He actually did quite a bit . He , he legislated or he . He exercised the duties of his office to the right of his , his campaign , which is the opposite of what all those bush people did .

They ran to the right and governed to the left , to the center , which is totally worthless . So when I think about the abolitionists . They're right about a lot of the political failures where the pro-life establishment is just lying to you . They're fundraising off of you . It's a perpetual political football for fundraising Abolitionists .

Many of them take real political action . A lot of like . Dusty Deaver's campaign is a great example of this . Abolitionists are writing bills and introducing them . They're involved in the political process .

So I don't want abolitionists to hear me saying all of those critiques about not being involved at all in in party in the political system terms of they're spending hours and days of their time meeting with senators doing a lot of the stuff we're talking about .

I don't agree with them on a lot of their conclusions on this front , but I actually think what's interesting is that a lot of the people are like , yeah , I am going to vote for Trump . I think the abolitionists are being kind of tismed out on this , like we're . We need to understand the nature of political power and how this works .

I do think a lot of us could actually take some training out of their book about their actual political involvement , which is pretty robust .

He says the removal of christian morality from the rnc platform this week is a travesty and I fiercely oppose it . But we must be realistic about what the previous platform really was . He goes into breaking it down and he's basically saying like and he said elsewhere , another post as as well like , super grateful for Trump , like , come on guys .

Like let's not , as you said , let's not get tismed out about this one thing and this is the reality that when you are doing political action of any sort , you may find yourself in the you know , anti-abortion line with a roman catholic and that's probably not the time to attack him , right , because you're actually going after the same thing .

Years ago I'll give this example I was at alistair bag conference this was a basics conference and this was during the q ? A and one of the questions he would have asked is would you ever work together with a Roman Catholic on an anti-abortion ministry or something public like that . And he said absolutely I would not .

And he said the reason I wouldn't is because it would confuse the world about what the gospel is . If I partner with a Roman Catholic , I'm saying to the world that the gospel doesn't fundamentally matter . And I remember thinking there in that moment I was like , wow , this is tough because so many evangelicals like you have the abolitionist crowd .

They're fighters , they're willing to do the right thing , but you have so many evangelicals who won't lift a finger and you're trying to tell me that you wouldn't take the help of Roman Catholics to fight that fight . To me that was crazy .

Roman Catholic and the Protestant is to actually know some Roman Catholics and do some things together . In our context in Utah , we've spoken with Trent Staggs , mormon .

There are Mormon politicians and conceivably I could conceive of situations where there'd be a non-Christian of other sort of politicians that we would absolutely be interested to talk to , that we would want to promote our ideas for what would be politically wise for Utah , for Weber County , for where we exist .

We're conversing with Sheriff Arbonne , who is the Weber County Sheriff , praying for him publicly in our services . We need to actually not think that people that disagree with us like roman catholics , or that that we are going to somehow get cooties on us by what about the charge of pragmatism ?

you . I think of something like Daniel or folks in various situations in the Old Testament where they were advisors to pagan kings , where you have Nehemiah , where you have lots of examples of guys like that that didn't show up day one and say to their pagan kings unless you convert tomorrow , I stand opposed and I will do no work for you .

Paul greeted those in Caesar's household .

They give him money and they say , go rebuild the temple and he's like full send and he asked he didn't say I won't do anything , I won't take any political action , I won't take your money . Until you repent of that , until the child sacrifice stops here .

There is other judgment too , but part of the central judgment for a people who are totally , who are so wicked it's a Pharaoh killing his own firstborn Exactly , they're so wicked that God says in judgment I'm going to give you over to your perverse desires . Our nation , many corners of our nation , are there .

They are so evil , they are civilization-destroying level evils that they're doing . They are beyond reason , they are beyond political persuasion . The only option that we have to end the horrors that they are perpetrating is to , politically speaking , totally crush them . They must be utterly defeated . There is no other recourse .

You will not persuade them , you will not change them . Yes , the Lord can regenerate some of them , and he will , but when it comes to the central plan , politically speaking , it is . We need to crush our enemies , politically speaking , and seize power from them and force them to stop doing what they're doing .

Possible is that you first love your own children and then you love your neighbor , like your next door neighbor and your church members and your city and your state , and that's what you're doing is you're saying this person cares about justice .

They might be a Mormon , they might be Hindu , they might be whatever they are , but they care about justice and it's better for me to support them for love of my neighbor and the saying Mark Driscoll said this all the time that God draws straight lines with crooked sticks .

They're going to destroy him , they're going to put him in prison .

Yeah , that I realized and I'm slow , like maybe a lot of people realized this earlier than I did but I was like what a so much better that Trump lost in 2020 , allegedly and had Biden between the two terms if he wins in 20 in November , because Biden inherited an absolute mess from COVID rampant inflation .

I mean he's wicked , but even some of it was stuff Trump did when it comes to like . So then he has to deal with all this . And then God says and Biden was really sharp .

People don't remember this , even when he was running the first time , especially if you even just go back to his VP debates the reason Biden's been such a successful politician he is super good debater , he is encyclopedic in his political knowledge . He could debate circles around a lot of people historically .

So then God says you win and I'm going to take away your mind . I'm going to make you a drooling idiot who needs a bedpan . That's what I'm going to do . And then the nation is just in chaos and I mean they're getting everything they want and it's crushing them .

They're getting all the DEI they want , and it's destroying Boeing , and it's destroying the Secret Service , and it's destroying the military , it's destroying companies , it's destroying Budweiser , it's destroying example after example , and then , all of a sudden , everything that they did to try and utterly crush any possibility of the right rising again and having because ,

again , we've always said red wave , red wave , and it never comes . It just seems like providentially and maybe I'm reading this wrong that everything has been ordered now to give the right a real opportunity to crush some of these evils and to actually gain meaningful power .

And what's the wildest cherry on top is that it's power that in some cases , is one degree of separation away from literally , king's Hall podcasters and our friends , the vice president of the United States , who , from all appearances , it's like it's pretty early , but that's a guy that they're grooming to be like a presidential candidate , wasn't it ?

He's reading Claremont Institute is , isn't that so interesting ?

you know it's just never going to land . And then here we are . As you said , some of these people are our friends , were in the last Trump administration . Yeah , Like if there's another one praise God , you know they're going to be willing . They're going to be in it Totally .

So it's like I think , one thing I would say to Christians just in general be faithful , be courageous . God loves to remember that it is God who exalts and who humbles , yeah , and remember that he loves to exalt the small shepherd boy who nobody is looking to to carry out his purposes and he's looking for faithfulness and righteousness .

So be faithful where you are and who knows ? I mean we've all had moments of like absolute obscurity . I mean we're still fairly obscure , but it's like God seems to be writing a pretty incredible story here , and so I would echo what Andrew Torva said as we jump into this interview . This is not the time to blackmail . I see hope everywhere .

This would be a good time for me to say , okay , we have a long road of work , there's a lot of work , so invest in it , you know , speak the truth , invest in the work and let's see what God would do . But but I would also encourage people just to be praying . Brian , you pray this , I think , almost every week .

Right , that we remember that the Lord turns the heart of a King like water in his hand . He turns the head of a president . This was kind of the other silly thing you have . I mean the absolute like tismed out calvinist who are like god doesn't intervene in history . He's , and you're like god didn't move the bullet .

You know it was like we can't help ourselves sometimes , we Christians , of being insufferably impossible to just agree with when it comes to like public statements .

Well , welcome to this episode of the King's Hall podcast . I'm your host for today's episode , eric Kahn , and joined by a very special guest , jeremy Karl . Jeremy , thanks so much for joining us on today's episode .

As you're watching these events unfold , I know a lot of us were probably following guys like Tucker and Alex Jones and they were saying things like there could be possible assassination attempts . We're at a really precarious spot . Yeah , I heard that and I was like wow , that's bad . And then here we are . Last Saturday , yeah .

And that's the world we're living in . Fortunately , just grazes his ear , this bullet does but , but a really potentially disastrous situation for America , yeah , and so I just want to get your overall thoughts .

Yeah , I mean , it was really stunning and I was actually on my way driving to a wedding of a guy kind of in right wing spheres , and I actually got a call from a guy who , ironically , is a very good friend of JD Vance's , and he asked me whether I'd seen the news and I said no , no , but then I , you know , I checked up on it and I was .

You know , I was obviously taken aback and I was relieved .

The president was obviously , you know , okay , at least more or less , and you know we came within a couple inches , even , let alone just you know , let's leave aside the difference in quality of the president , presidential candidates and assassination of Trump , in the current circumstances that we have politically in this country , I think anything could have been on the

table and it could have been a really horrifying thing , especially right before he even named a successor effectively . And so we really , no pun intended , america dodged a bullet just as much as President Trump did , I think .

But it seems like the rhetoric has been actually toned up by the left quite a bit for the last couple of decades . In particular , we've had Trump on magazines like featured as Hitler . We've been told that he's a threat to democracy , over and over again .

Of course , now the famous , you know quote , I guess , from Biden saying that we need to put Trump in the bullseye , all this sort of stuff . Yeah , as you look at that in kind of this moment , why do you think the heat is turned up ? Why do you think that's happening politically ?

And , of course , people on the right myself , but certainly many other folks who are more prominent than myself and with even louder megaphones have been saying this for the entire time since Biden first ran his campaign , but it just became and I'm not talking about this campaign , I'm talking about the 2020 campaign .

I think the ridiculousness of when he was finally exposed on the debate stage just made it impossible to ignore , and so now , suddenly , the emperor's not wearing any clothes and all of the people who have been supporting this corrupt regime are sort of panicked because they realize the chances that a new sheriff is going to come in town and it's , in fact , the

sheriff that they have been trying to go after is looking increasingly likely , and so I think they're just ratcheting everything they're doing up to 11 . And , unfortunately , they're unstable people who respond to that .

I think that Elon Musk had bought Twitter , and so this election cycle is very , very different , because now there's open access to information . Of course , you saw what the mainstream media was doing and you know there's loud popping , trump falls . You know all these these crazy headlines , yeah .

But it was also interesting because one of the things that comes up in the book is the DEI stuff , civil rights and we have the Secret Service , with ladies falling down basically having a hard time doing their jobs . In the moment . There's the video of the one lady at the car .

She can't reholster her firearms , so then she just kind of pretends to like keep it out and you know we're watching this . I'm like , oh , this is embarrassing . But this is kind of where , societally , a lot of the policies that are actually from the 1960s and some prior , but this is where these policies have taken us .

So I guess , if you would just speak to that , maybe in this moment people are starting to see like this is going to get people killed .

But the sex-related DEI is equally shocking and even to me who's pretty hardened and probably doesn't , you know , is not quite as hardcore on some of these gender issues as you are I was like it never even occurred to me that we could have female Secret Service agents , and I don't even say that out of disrespect to that .

I'm sure that disproportionately the women who want to do that sort of thing , they're patriotic , they want to do well , they're probably very accomplished . Even compared to the average guy they might be very accomplished , but we don't want , we're not comparing for the average guy .

The Secret Service should be all men and it should be the few thousand of the most hardcore ex-military combat guys who are going to take a bullet for the president , who are going to be able to take down an assailant physically .

And the notion that we could even be thinking about diversity and inclusion and 30% female quotas , it's insane and I kind of hope that in looking at just the fact that we're risking a president over these sorts of things will make us relook .

But we should also be looking at women in the vast majority of frontline combat roles , women in the vast majority of police patrol roles . Again , I think there may be some specific things where you could maybe argue okay , well , you could have them there .

But it's just we've gone insane with some of this erasing of distinctions between sexes and I think the Secret Service just shows how deadly this could have been and we were very , very fortunate .

Trump 2.0 will be an order of magnitude more effective . So some of this I'm assuming that he's referring to would be like okay , elon Musk , you know the day of the assassination attempt . I think he comes out in support of Trump . Okay , so now you've got somebody , obviously with a lot of money .

We now have this platform where we can share information , not get banned whatever . But there's been a lot of other guys too I mean , tucker would probably be on that list A lot of people , I think . Now we're talking about issues that a few years ago , would have been third rail . You're going to get zapped . Now you're allowed to have the conversation .

A lot of people are willing to have it . I guess , just talk to this trajectory of you know , is it because the oligarchy has failed and so people are just saying I've had enough ? Yeah , what's going on with this shift ?

Yeah , and it was exactly toward this , this point and Chris may even be borrowing some of my verbiage here , although I'm not saying for sure and Chris has been a big supporter of my book .

But yeah , I think that we're seeing a group particularly of talented and I'll tell you , disproportionately , although certainly not exclusively white men who've been left behind by this oligarchical , feminized , racialized , anti-white structure and they're realizing they don't have anywhere to go and so they're beginning to form their own coalitions .

And I think one of the things to me that was very exciting about the JD Vance announcement and I know I've met him a few times I wouldn't say that I know him , but we have lots of I mean I have lots of friends who do know JD quite well , and that says something . And I know his staff quite well , and that also says something .

I mean that's not something I would say about most senators , right ? I think it says something about where he is on a lot of this stuff is that he has the perfect type of pedigree and networks to begin building that sort of thing , working under President Trump .

President Trump kind of deputizes him to go after the deep state on my behalf and he can bring in some of these really talented guys because they're in his network .

And while I don't certainly have any proof of this , this is all circumstantial , but I don't think that it's any coincidence , personally , that right after Vance has been announced and , by the way , musk had been in Trump's ear saying you know , vance is the guy and I think to be clear , I mean , I think Trump had always wanted to pick Vance .

This is always what I'd heard from people close to the president , but I don't think it's any coincidence that right after then he comes in with $45 million a month , and I think it's indicative . And then you get Mark Andreeson and Horowitz , who are these really high power venture capitalists .

I think it's a really , really encouraging sign that they're beginning to move on Trump two . And I think JD Vance really helps in that regard , which is one of the reasons I'm very enthusiastic about him as a pick .

Just a few years ago , this was a conversation about race that you were not necessarily allowed to have particularly in the limelight . Now , I think , more people are starting to see . I think myself , as a pastor and a journalist , I'm looking at this . I originally read Christopher Caldwell's book and I thought , wow , this is shocking , you know , yeah .

So I guess , talk about the moment in which you said , okay , it's time to write a book . And why ? Why this book ?

I'd written very frankly and I wasn't writing under some weird grope or pseudonym on Twitter . I was writing under my name as a fellow at the Hoover Institution . So it's not that I was apologizing for any of this .

But then , when I went into the Trump administration in a fairly senior role , even though my work had absolutely nothing to do with any of this , suddenly the left and the Washington Post and the Huffington Post and all these guys took a great deal of interest in my writing .

And then I was denounced by various leftist congressmen and fortunately the administration stood completely by me , as they should have . But I give them credit for doing that , because I think maybe previous Republican administrations might have quaked in the face of that .

But I think that was the point that I realized hey , this is such a critical issue and we're not going to be able to run away from it , and maybe I'm really the person who is in a position to write this book . I have the knowledge to write this book and I have enough of a platform to write this book .

And so a couple of years ago I sat down to do just that . But even at the time I was doing it I was sort of like whoa , I'm kind of on the tightrope here . But even just in that time I think up to the time that the book was published the mainstream discourse , at least on the right , began to move a little bit .

The Overton window began to shift a little bit . I don't want to overstate that . It's still difficult to have this conversation in a lot of circles , but I was able to get the right sort of people behind the book who had real credibility within the conservative movement .

Guys like Tucker , charlie Kirk , victor Davis , hanson , people who had that would say this is not and I think my own background , this is not some crank , this is not some white nationalist , this is not some .

And I think my own background , you know , this is not some crank , this is not some white nationalist , this is not , you know , some guy who's just out with an ax to grind .

He's coming up with a very serious argument , and so I think that that ultimately helped and , I think , one of the gratifying things in the almost three months since the book came out now , I mean , I've seen the window move even further , and in fact I was just in Congress and I had a breakfast with 17 congressmen to discuss this book , and I think even a

few years ago that would have just been unthinkable .

I mean , it got to the point I dedicated this book to my kids I've got five kids and it just got to the point that for younger white people , this is I was able to dance around it . I had some talent , I had some networks . I was in a previous generation . I was able to maneuver .

In this generation there is no more maneuvering , and so people are like you know what ? We just need to have this conversation because there's no more getting around it .

So I think that's part of the reason that it's come up , unfortunately , is that the situation has gotten more dire , but the good news is , the more we talk about it then , the more we can begin to really actually make some progress on the issue .

He's a wonderful writer and so he's good at sort of disguising exactly where he sits on some of this .

It was responding to real problems that we had even though we were making progress as a country even before the act , and I think it was a blunt instrument to address those problems . It did solve some of them .

But I think the point is over the long term , especially as the deep state is added onto it and the Supreme Court has added onto it over decades and we've had follow on civil rights acts , it's become a much bigger problem than the problem that it originally intended to solve .

So I don't think it's necessarily the most productive use of conservatives' time to kind of relitigate the 1964 Act . I think we just need to say look , that's 60 years ago now .

Social conditions are very different , our problems are very different and we need to fundamentally relook at and reimagine these laws in some pretty important ways to respond to the actual problems we have today .

So these things if you're not in that world and I never have been personally , but I went to Yale and I knew people who were in this kind of world it's almost sort of a hard world to believe if you haven't participated in it .

So these are kind of very wealthy families that are paying $60,000 a year plus in tuition there's not even a boarding school right Just for a regular private school for their kids to go . But they're training the future financial elites and other elites .

And I'm not even saying that in the sense that their talents are necessarily elite , but just in terms of their standing in society . And what you had there was . These places have gone so deeply into anti-whiteness , particularly in the wake of George Floyd , that you have this quote about people apologizing for white people for even being born .

That just seems like a really dangerous place for us to be and it's also not a sustainable place for us to be , because why , as a white parent , would I pay $65,000 a year for somebody to tell my kid that he or she should hate themselves .

goes on , is eventually admitted to the med school after the Supreme Court case and goes on to a career at the Mayo Clinic , which is a very highly respected medical center . But it's really . It's just kind of a shocking exemplar of just how radical and damaging affirmative action can be .

And when you look at you know where people are scoring . It has real ramifications , Right . I think there was I can't remember which one it was in there , but like they couldn't recite what was the second and the fourth amendment or something like this .

And if you look at any objective , I mean , let alone just the numbers of the population , right , but like just any objective measure of legal competence , you would not , I mean that that ratio is so out of whack .

Even reversing it , if you had five African American women and 22 white men , it would still be disproportionately , compared to qualifications , advantaging African American women . So Biden has basically given us this affirmative action judiciary and these judges , of course , don't feel at all constrained by the law . Ultimately , at the end of the day , yeah .

The Trayvon Martin case was obviously , you know , kind of beginning of Black Lives Matter and all this . It becomes societally very important . Later we get to George Floyd . I didn't realize the ways in which this was all part of the game to , you know , use the courts , make big theater out of it , weaponize it and then start pushing an agenda .

So I guess , for people who are unfamiliar with that , what is that tactic that's being run and why are certain cases as you point out in the book ? It's like you know this will probably be the case with the Trump attempted assassination uh , gentleman , trump supporter dies and there's probably not going to be a George Floyd after this .

Yeah , right , it's not going to erupt in writing in the streets . So why is it important ? Like , I guess , just walk me through that narrative situation with court cases and why they're being weaponized the way they are .

It's 15 or less usually , and not the thousands that when you survey the left . But the left uses these sorts of rare cases and in fact almost invariably they're not even cases where there was actual significant police wrongdoing , but it's just wherever they feel like they can make a political case .

That's what they do , and they do it to rile up their side and demoralize our side , and way too many folks on our side fall for it .

And that's why you have the disgraceful spectacle of Mitt Romney kind of marching in a Black Lives Matter rally with his mask on , and all I can say is thank God that we have removed that sort of leadership at least from the top of the Republican Party under folks like Trump and Vance . But we still have it .

We still have a kind of self-defeating mindset among white Americans where we sort of implicitly feel like we deserve this in some way . I mean not me , but that's very prevalent and you know it's . It's really discouraging , obviously .

I've heard this discussed before and there was like a discomfort where I'm looking around the room and I'm thinking I know these , a lot of these people agree , but are we really allowed to talk about this ?

Yeah , so so in the psyche of white men particularly , how do you , how do you undo you know whether it's been the indoctrination in schools or the legal system ? How do you undo you know multiple decades of being framed in that way of thinking ?

But still , if it's just a totally random person and I have no idea of their social and political views , I definitely have to do a bunch of you know , hand waving and disclaiming before I'll even say , oh , you know what is that ? You wrote a book . What's the book about ? Yeah , but but I mean even more than that .

I was just , I was uncomfortable at first and I'm a guy who's been writing about this very bluntly for years . But the social conditioning and I actually have to say I mean I probably Part of that is a little bit me and that I have been in liberal academic environments .

I mean I'm not in them anymore , but I was in them for so long that I probably have more conditioning than your sort of average middle class guy who's just like , yeah , they have to go to the diversity training but they're not really buying Everybody's snickering , but it took a lot . You learn by doing . You learn by going out . Each time I speak about it .

I'm a little more bold and brave about speaking at it and then , as you see , more and more people come into your corner and I think the great news is that because there are people and we've had some really good folks in the media , like Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh and Tucker , who have really big audiences who will actually use this type of phrase like

anti-white , they'll use it , actually use this type of phrase like anti-white . They'll use it . I think it's easier and easier and the left is still going to freak out . I mean , I just gave a talk at the National Conservative Conference in DC and this woman from New York Magazine attacked me as this . You know I'm extremist and can't be shamed .

You know , you just have to let them do their thing . The reality is , anybody who reads this book , or if you read any of the online reviews of this book , I think arguably its greatest strength is it's a very moderate tone . It's not a big invective , it's not a kind of talk radio . I'm just going to see how angry I can make my audience .

There's a phrase , race ipso loquitur , that we use in the law . It means the thing speaks for itself , and that's what I really tried to do here . I just lay out the facts in a very calm way and to kind of have a rational discussion about actual reality .

But that doesn't mean that the left is not going to do everything they can to shut down that discussion .

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Sure , that could be because millions of people are like flooding the borders and people are starting to notice . Yeah , that could be part of it . But my first question is has it always been this contentious to talk about immigration ? It seemed like the old conservative parties like we , we , we , we talked about that all the time .

I remember as a young kid like you would hear people say things like if you come to our country , you should speak our language .

You're right to think that even in I mean to say nothing of everything before the Hart-Celler Immigration Bill of 1965 , which radically transformed our immigration system to something like it had never been before and I'm actually I'm not an expert on every subject that I wrote about , but this is immigration is a subject I am expert on .

I've written a lot about but been very involved with . So I kind of walked through our immigration history as a country in great detail and why we were never a quote unquote nation of immigrants . But Hartzell is this radical transformation in 1965 .

So before then those sorts of things that you're saying about speaking our language and everything else and being of the same culture and general ethnic background even would just have been taken for granted . After Hartzell it begins to get more mixed .

But it's really only in the last few years that the Democrats have become so radical and in fact my friends at the Center for Immigration Studies , which is probably the best think tank on the right kind of working on immigration issues , for a long time have pushed the Jordan Commission on Immigration .

The Jordan Commission on Immigration came out of the Clinton administration . It was chaired by an African-American lesbian civil rights leader turned congresswoman named Barbara Jordan , who was kind of very famous on the left .

It came out with a bunch of recommendations for what we should do on immigration list of right wing stuff by today's standards but it's filled with totally solid , reasonable sorts of immigration proposals that everybody should be able to get behind .

And the point was that this was somebody that a leftist African American civil rights leader could put her name on and lead a commission on in the mid 1990s and have the Democrats be generally just fine with that .

And now we have kind of the hardest core restrictionist organizations basically saying , yeah , that's what we want , and the left of course not even considering doing anything other than funding the invasion of America .

I understand why . I mean , I've traveled all over the world , I've lived in developing world countries . I understand why people want to come here . I don't think that most of them are murderers and rapists or anything like that . I think they want a good life for their family . I think they want to contribute , etc .

You know , it's not that they're bad people at all . But I would say two things . One , it doesn't , at the end of the day , matter what they want . It matters what's in America's interest .

This is something that , again , senator Vance has been very good , vance who's married to a child of Indian immigrants but has been very good at kind of saying repeatedly in immigration discussions . So A I mean it's about what the US national interest is . Secondly , diversity just is not a strength period .

This is something we need to push back on without apology and , again , it doesn't matter whether that diverse group of people who we might be bringing in is wonderful group of people with high human capital .

There are problems created by diversity itself , no matter how wonderful the diverse communities we are that are coming in , and we need to deal with those problems and we need to somehow figure out a way to unify what's becoming this increasingly fractious , hyper diverse country and , again , not to apologize for that . And I say that we do have to deal with this .

We're not going to go back to a world of pre-heart cellar where everybody was white . So we're going to have to kind of figure out what a new American identity looks like in a multicultural country .

But the only way that we can come up with that in a way that's sane and doesn't have everybody to everybody else's throats is to close the border , deport every single illegal who's here and just get some space to breathe and to reconstitute what that new American culture that we can unify Baha'i is going to look like .

Sure , do you think it's just , it's just not important Is why it's not happening .

And then there's a minority but it's a meaningful minority politically that are just Chamber of Commerce clones who their donors are telling them you know , we want cheap labor and whatever , and if you do this it's going to wreck the economy . And , by the way , I mean this isn't true , but that's kind of unfortunately where we are .

It's just not as big a priority . But , by the way , I mean it will be . Our stated goal should be to deport every single illegal , but there's a variety of different ways that you're going to do that .

The most effective is which is going to be employment crackdowns and things like that , that really do encourage people to self-deport , because unfortunately , we're just in a situation even just let's leave aside the logistics we have enough bleeding heart voters I don't know how to say it in a more polite way who just they're going to see some bad image on the

screen of some family being deported and they're going to be upset about it . I don't care whether they say they're for deportation or not . Now , that doesn't mean we shouldn't deport people .

We should , but we have to be realistic about the number of people we're going to really be able to use that technique with , versus using other techniques that essentially make them realize they don't have a home here , there's no future for them here and they need to go back .

The number one thing that conservatives have to control in the administration is the White House Counsel's Office and OLC , which is Office of Legal Counsel , because we need bold attorneys who are going to be willing to stick their neck out and say , yeah , here's why you could ignore this court order or why it doesn't apply , or here's why you can do this thing .

That's going to be something that even the Wall Street Journal editorial page might scream about , but we're just going to do it anyway because we think we have the legal authority to do it . We are going to have to match the Democrat lawfare blow for blow and be willing to do that . We're going to be extremely tough . So I think that's really important .

So that's the government piece of that .

But in addition , we have the private sector piece of this lawfare and that's being already overseen by folks like Stephen Miller at America First Legal , who is litigating his organization all sorts of anti-white discrimination cases that are going on right now and various other things where companies are doing things that are even blatantly against our current laws , but

they're just not being called out on it until now . So you do that and then you need to combine that with the hardest thing , which is to change some of these laws in some pretty fundamental ways in the civil rights regime , and the blowback to that is going to be ferocious .

But I don't think we really solved this problem until we have some pretty fundamental reforms there .

Are there enough loyals , whether it's lawyers , whether it's people in support positions ? Do you see enough this time around to make things different ?

They weren't that prepared . They didn't have the experience . Now those people have experience . They have experience in government . They know their way around a little bit . So we have a bench of non-Bush Republicans that we can draw from . That's thing number one .

Thing number two is we smoked out , particularly after January 6th , a lot of the worst of the establishment types . So they're out . They've exposed themselves as really against our project and I think frankly it was sort of obvious to some of us that as really against our project .

And you know , I think frankly it was sort of obvious to some of us that they were against our project from the beginning anyway . But now they've kind of put themselves in a more tenuous situation . That doesn't mean , by the way , that a lot of them still won't figure out a way to get in one way or another .

But if you look at how Mitch McConnell has , say , marginalized himself , I mean that's encouraging . So I think he got booed hard Some of our younger Congress people who kind of get it , and then I think along those lines , my other huge thing for encouragement is the presence of Vance .

If Trump turns him loose in the way that I think he would like to do , presumably which is why he made this pick because Vance has . I mean , we weren't able to get a lot of people .

I don't know a more polite way to say this , but I mean I have a fairly elite background if you just kind of look at my history and , by the way , there's a lot of people with my background who are really terrible and that's why the Democrats are so dysfunctional . But you don't want plumbers running the federal government agencies at a high level .

There is a certain level and just like me fixing your sink there's a certain level at the really top level , where you need a certain amount of very high-end talent to run a modern bureaucratic state . No matter how much you want to reform it , okay .

No matter how much you want to take on the deep state and I want to do all those things , okay , okay , no matter how much you want to take on the deep state and I want to do all those things . But I think the encouraging thing is Vance is in the heart of those networks of talented , high human capital folks on the right , some of whom don't have .

I mean , they don't necessarily have a huge pedigree or anything else , and they may even have nominally ordinary backgrounds , but they're very smart and they're very , very capable and they just need a point of entry and I think Vance could be that point of entry for a lot of smart folks who know what time it is .

And when you combine that with the better holdovers from Trump one , I think we could actually really get something done and that would be encouraging .

Yeah , we need to go chase every ballot , go get every vote . We need to pay as much attention to election integrity . There are going to be lots of things there that are not solved , but I think , again , we're in a much better situation than we are we're in 2020 . And while the Democrats have an ability to fiddle with things , it's not infinite .

Their ability to cheat and massage results exists , but it is not infinite . So I feel good about where we are , but we have to understand also , events are going to move this election in ways that we can't foresee . The Democrats may well try to swap out Biden there could be any number of things and I think Trump just needs to stay the course .

He needs to do what he's doing . He's shown his strength in the literal line of fire and I think that really moved a lot of people who maybe previously were not totally sold on him . I think they are ready for a change from the current oligarchy that we are facing and we just need to run a sharp , disciplined campaign .

I give huge credit to Trump and his campaign manager , susie Wiles , because they've been so much more disciplined in their public communications than you saw with either of the first two campaigns . It's been really encouraging to see . We just need to if we execute .

It's a little bit like they'll say in football or basketball coach right , like if we just execute our game plan , we don't need to worry about what the other guys do . I kind of feel like that's the case If we just do the things we need to do .

This is an election that is ripe for the taking , but we need to just focus on the fundamentals and go from there .

Do you think he'll ? He'll be swapped out , and why or why not would be an argument .

That might look bad and it's good , or might look good and it's bad , but I think what happened with Trump and then the convention has taken all the momentum away from the Dems' attempt to push out Biden , who doesn't want to be pushed out in any case , and I just think that the Dems are really running out of time to make a switch , and even the most

ruthless among them may kind of be making a calculation , like the Republicans made with Bob Dole in 1996 , of like is Kamala really going to beat Trump ? And given all of the hits they're going to have to take to make that happen ?

So I think if I had to bet and this is what the betting markets tell you I think that they stick with Biden , even with all of his problems . But you know they may , they're going to .

There's definitely people who are still trying to push him out , and they don't have inconsiderable heft , and so it still could happen , but I think the momentum has moved away from them a little bit , and if Biden continues to be intransigent and you know he's come out and he's he's not been like ridiculously senile in his last few appearances , yeah , and so I

think it makes it hard to to get rid of him .

Have you seen a shift , or you know , I guess , reception with the book , anything that surprised you with it , or has it been pretty par for the course in terms of how people have responded ?

The degree to which Christian nationalists embraced it was a little bit of a surprise to me , not that I would have thought that the community would have been not receptive to that message , but they've really . You know , starting from Stephen Wolfe on , dad , have kind of been some of my biggest champions and I certainly appreciate that .

I would say I've been surprised by the hearings I've been able to get in officialdom , even though that was a core part of my strategy , even though I had all these good endorsements and did everything I could to make this palatable for them . I'm still pleasantly surprised that , yes , I was able to present this to a bunch of congressmen .

Yes , I presented this to 100 junior staffers .

And I think maybe the other encouraging thing is the number of times and this happens among staffers every time I do the book and I say this not to pat myself on the back and say , oh , I wrote some great book or anything , I think it's just the subject and the time but the number of particularly young white people , particularly young white men , who come up

to me every time I do a reading or anything like that and they just say Thank you so much for doing this . It's very brave , and this is the biggest problem that I'm facing right now , and I'm so glad that you're speaking out on my behalf .

And again , I say that not because I think that there's anything particularly wonderful about me , but it's just an indication of just that I wasn't wrong , at least about how pervasive this issue is and the fact that it's really an issue whose time has come , and I hope that there'll be other people with even bigger platforms who will seize on the work that I've

done and kind of take it to the next level of visibility . And I'm certainly trying to do that myself with my own efforts .