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Redigging the Wells of Abraham: The Influence of Ancient Truths in Rebuilding Christendom

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Ever feel like modern society has lost touch with its roots? Sit down with us, as we pull back the veil of time to explore the pivotal role of ancient truths in shaping and rebuilding Christendom. We push past overused narratives and dive into misunderstood aspects of our history, taking a closer look at pivotal themes such as Christian Nationalism, the alleged barbarism during the Crusades, and the often overlooked benefits of colonialism. We believe that the preservation of history is a duty we all share, and it’s through understanding our past that we can chart a better course for the future.

As we navigate through our rich church history, you’ll realize why we stress on the importance of actively living out faith to truly build Christendom. We’ll explore how the complexities of Christian Nationalism can be remedied by fulfilling one’s duties, such as being a good parent, spouse, and responsible citizen. Join us as we challenge false historical narratives and take a stand against the whitewashing of history. We debunk the myth of the early church being flawless, and shed light on the resilience of the West against the spread of Islam - elements that have shaped our current beliefs and practices.

As we round up, we introduce you to the heart-stirring music of the Knights Templars and discuss how it’s reverberations have echoed through the centuries. We also delve into the fascinating courage of the reformers during the Magisterial Reformation, and the significance of having enemies when standing firm in our beliefs. So, grab that cup of coffee and prepare to have your perspective broadened, your beliefs challenged, and your knowledge deepened. Tune in, and let’s embark on this journey of rediscovery and reformation together.

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Speaker 1

This episode of the Kings Hall podcast is brought to you by Premier Body , armor , defined Benefit Partners , private Family Banking , squirrely Joe's Coffee , the Family Captain , and by our supporters at Patreoncom . And Isaac departed thence and pitched his tent in the Valley of Gharar and dwelt there .

And Isaac digged again the wells of water which they had digged in the days of Abraham . His father for the Philistines had stopped them after the death of Abraham and he called their names after the names by which his father had called them Genesis 26 , 17 and 18 .

In a sermon about this passage , the great 20th century preacher Martin Lloyd-Jones spelled out the need for revival and reformation in the church . Swallowed up by humanism , psychology , worldly philosophy and evolutionary theory , the church had lost the life-giving water of the preached word of God . As a result , the church had grown more impotent than ever .

The decline of the church meant the decline of Christendom and of course , lloyd-jones had passed it in London through the bombings of World War II , in the dying hours of the British Empire , as the last great bastion of Christendom breathed its last and sank into the pages of history , his church was struck by German air raids .

Worse than bombings , however , lloyd-jones recognized the cancerous humanistic teachings that had eroded people's faith in the historic church , a dark spell lay over the West . It wasn't simply that enemies lobbed bombs from the skies . Much more significant was the cancerous rot destroying the church from within . What was to be done ? Was all hope truly lost ?

Like Isaac Lloyd-Jones said , the key was going back to the past and redigging the wells of Abraham .

While the church was obsessed in his time just as much as our own , with trying to find novel solutions from psychology or business or the entertainment industry , lloyd-jones said the solutions to the church's problems were to be found in the careful study of the scriptures in church history .

Every time you find a great period of reformation and restoration in church and civilization , you will also find a rediscovery of ancient truths , lloyd-jones writes .

I would like to lay it down as a principle that there is great value in reading church history in a study of the past , and nothing , surely , is more important for us at this present time than to read the history of the past and to discover its message .

I suggest that we should do so for the very reasons which impelled Isaac to dig again the wells which they had dug in the days of Abraham , his father . It is very foolish to ignore the past .

The man who does ignore it and assumes that our problems are quite new and that therefore the past has nothing at all to teach us is a man who is not only grossly ignorant of the scriptures , he is equally ignorant of some of the greatest lessons of secular history .

Yet I think you will agree that that is the mentality that is governing the outlook of the vast majority at the present time . The basic assumption is that our problems are new , that they are quite unique and that the church in the world have never been confronted by such problems before .

Every time you get one of these great and glorious and mighty periods of reformation and revival , you will find that in every instance it seems to be a returning to something that the church had obtained before . Every time the church has been revived , she is going back to something that had happened before rediscovering and finding this ancient supply .

There is nothing I know of that is more striking in the history of the church than that principle . In season one of the King's Hall podcast , we took the axe to many of the temples , to false idols that have been erected within the walls of the church .

Revivalism and Decisionism the big , fast and famous growth model , whiteness and proxy wars , the plastic sword of Christless conservatism , among others .

In season two , we've talked at length about fatherhood and its central importance in restoring Christendom from the smallest , most atomic foundations , but now we're making a transition from fatherhood to a new subject matter in season three , in which we want to take an historical look at the first Christendom and ask a pivotal set of questions .

What was it In all its glory ? What are the key components that made it what it was , from the ecclesiastical to the civil , to the military spheres ? What were its best moments , high watermarks and greatest accomplishments ? Likewise , what were its failures and what led to its ultimate downfall ?

How can we learn from this set of blueprints and start rebuilding the walls of Christendom 2.0 ? Is everything we've been told about Christendom true ? Why go back in time ? Are we just larkers ? Are we just living in fantasy land of knights and squires and kings and great conquests ? Not so fast , in truth .

As we'll see in this episode , the work of Reformation always starts with understanding the great truths that have gone before us , but after we study the blueprints , we start the necessary work of rebuilding , one generation at a time , in this transitional episode , before we move on to Season 3 , we want to focus for a moment on the ways in which fathers have to

be the kind of men who , like Isaac , start redigging the walls of Abraham . We have to go back and find the life-giving waters that once made Christianity a great civilizing force . We have to undo the work of our modern-day Philistines who have blocked the walls of church history .

They are those modern historians who have told us that Christendom wasn't great , that it's really the source of all the evils we've known in world history . Fathers must be , as it were , historians .

They must be the kind of historians who tell the right stories about our past , so that we can remember the great works of God , the principles that guided the best of our kingly lineage , and so that we can lay out blueprints for our sons to carry on the work of building the next Christendom .

The Kings Hall podcast exists to make self-ruled men who rule well in the world .

Speaker 3

Well , gentlemen , welcome to another episode of the Kings Hall podcast . I'm joined by two men with the blood of kings running through their veins , specifically Charlemagne . Specifically Charlemagne , the French-Canadian Brian Sobey . Welcome , welcome , welcome to this podcast episode . Glad to have you , sir Brian actually didn't bring his harmonica .

Speaker 1

Did I Was I supposed to .

Speaker 4

Praise God , from whom ? No , I have it already in the holder .

Speaker 1

Like I'm ready to go .

Speaker 3

You're ready to go If you need it . The headgear is on . Here's the signal .

Speaker 1

The sign of the cross . That's the signal for the harmonica .

Speaker 3

Deus volt , just bring the harmonica I run . I don't know if you guys knew this , but Deus volt was originally used in Latin to mean bring the harmonica .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it was . Later the Lord will say yeah , that's right , because they're basically the same thing .

Speaker 4

Can we please , in the next crusade , not use a harmonica ? If we're going to use an annoying instrument , let's use the bagpipes .

Speaker 1

Actually fair point . Bagpipes are way better .

Speaker 3

In trumpet speaking of way better . Dan Burkholder . Welcome to this episode of the podcast . I didn't say way better than anything . It was implied . Way better . All allowed , dan Burkholder .

Speaker 4

Yes .

Speaker 3

Hello .

Speaker 4

Thanks for having me . I don't know what you want me to say , by the way that , cold open , I want to say props to Eric . Eric wrote it , it was great and Brian read it Impressive , impressive reading . Thank you .

Speaker 3

He did do a wonderful job . It's interesting when I was writing it I was writing it in my best Brian voice man . I felt it .

Speaker 1

Because I was like what would Brian say here ? I felt it , eric , it flowed right off the tongue , it was just . It stirred me up , to be quite frank , thinking about the wells of Abraham , that those wicked Philistines had clogged up . Just the way that the enemies of God .

They always take that which is useful and good and supporting of life and then they just ruin it , they bring death .

Speaker 4

Yeah , and so when we go on the next crusade against the modern day Philistines , I want Bagpipes and Timmy trumpet .

Speaker 3

And Timmy trumpet .

Speaker 4

I think we can do both , we can do both .

Speaker 3

Cue up the Timmy trumpet for season two or season three , season three man . So we are , gentlemen , we are ending season two on fatherhood . This has been pivotal . Hopefully it's been really helpful for the listeners . But we've been doing a lot of research in preparation for season three . We've been redigging the wells of Abraham .

We're going back to Christendom and church history and figuring out all these questions that we describe . What is it , what were its high watermarks , all that . But I just want to ask you guys I know we've all been doing a lot of reading .

We're all super excited , I think , about a number of things , but I want to ask each of you what has been so exciting in that research process so far , as you've looked back into these old wells of ancient truths ?

Speaker 4

Man , what has been the most exciting ? I would say . One of the things that people probably notice and by probably I mean definitely notice , especially if you look at Pastor Sauvage or Pastor Kahn's Twitter is that it seems like maybe some of their tweets are a little bit out of the zeitgeist , you know , like apart from- .

Speaker 3

One or two of them , yeah one or two of them , I mean maybe slightly .

Speaker 4

Maybe like just outside , and there are actually reasons for that .

One of the things that has been exciting to me is you go back to the old paths of the first Christendom and you see the culture that was , I mean , cultivated because of worship of God , and the virtues that were embodied by nobility and by peasants alike is that you see just a completely different culture outside of our zeitgeist , and it's really been interesting

having that form our thoughts and the way that we approach problems , because it's so much easier . I mean , this is what studying history does , and this is what Lloyd Johns was saying is that when you study history , you realize , oh , all of these problems , these have happened before .

This problem reminds me of this event and this is how this king or this monk or this missionary or whomever at the church addressed this issue , and this is where it went wrong , this is where it went right , and things suddenly become a lot clearer . And it's funny how , as you look back at the old paths , all of a sudden , you know your own time better .

Speaker 3

Yeah .

Speaker 4

That's a really interesting thing that happens . You would think the opposite would be true , that you'd go back into the past and you would be disjointed from our present time and the present perspectives and the present problems that we have . But the opposite is true .

You look back at the past and you suddenly can see clearer the current issues of our day and knowing the times better , which is a key to wisdom , and a key to , I mean , wise action .

Speaker 3

Yeah , and even with pressing issues like , say , christian nationalism , you can go back and you can read , like you know we're doing in the pastor's guild even we're reading the city of God from Augustine and it's like wait , people have actually answered these questions before and so , before we leap off and try to start something , quote novel and new , which is

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Check out the links in the show notes for more information about Defined Benefit Partners . Brian , curious your take . What is exciting ? You , as we , I know you're reading the Sword and Symmeter . I know you've been reading a lot of stuff . We've been having good conversations , but what is getting the blood going in your kingly veins ?

Speaker 1

Well , you know , eric , it's been really in two directions that I've been stirred , and one is in just pure rage .

Speaker 4

Oh , wow , okay , I like where this is going .

Speaker 1

The number of times that maybe 10 , 10.30 at night I roll over and I look at Lexie and I'm like Islam is evil . Many , many times . You'll text us a lot of times . I'm like you guys Islam is evil .

Tell me and remember this is for posterity , so be honest , how do you feel it is a religion of scum , it is demonic and it urges giving way to every basest passion of the flesh of man , and it valorizes all of the basest passions of men .

So I've been stirred up in just absolute fire at the just offense at the sacrilegious and wicked usurpation of Christian lands by the Muhammedans . How do you actually feel about it , though ?

Speaker 4

You know here I can attest that this is true because at random times during the day Brian will just scream out . Day you swore .

Speaker 1

So that's the first direction , is that reliving these battles , these key battles ? But in the face of that , I've said quite a bit that anger is one of those emotions that you have to quickly channel to righteous action , or it turns into something toxic and destructive , something that will burn you . It will burn you right .

It must be channeled righteously , and the way that I've kind of I feel like at least tried to do that is in also being encouraged by the great heroes of the first Christendom , like just inspired by the courage and also then angry again at the way that our modern day has treated them and slandered them base slander and that Christians have gone along with it .

So that's been an overwhelming urge , I guess as well .

Along the way I have been struck by how much more complicated history always is when you get down into the weeds of it than any one narrative that one might want to tell in history and but that there's a beauty and a glory there , and seeing the way that God providentially ordered his story that he's telling through his church in all of the black portions and

the glories . So there's just been a lot . It stirred me up quite a bit more than I expected that it would .

Speaker 3

Yeah , I can totally attest to that . I've definitely been stirred up by some of the great heroes that people maybe wouldn't even suspect , like Vlad the Impaler has been a personal favorite .

Speaker 4

Did see that coming .

Speaker 3

Somebody sent me a meme . Oh my word , oh no here we go and it said . The top meme said neighbor or good fences make good neighbors ? Oh no . And then it said bad neighbors make good fences .

Speaker 1

Oh , no , and it showed Vlad with the force to the impaled the number of times that Eric has been like , you know , Vlad the Impaler , and then we're like just buckle up and please don't tweet this .

Speaker 4

Please don't tweet this Because we don't want to see all the thunder .

Speaker 3

Let's do it on our podcast . That's right , vlad , the Chad Vlad the Impaler maybe some questionable actions . I can't think of one . Look okay , this is all satire , this is all .

Speaker 1

For our handlers , for our fed handlers . I just want you to know this entire podcast is satire . It's a joke okay . And every in our whole lives . Just one big long satire .

Speaker 4

Sometimes it feels like it's a big joke . Because if you don't laugh you cry .

Speaker 1

So true , King .

Speaker 3

So , besides Vlad the Impaler Vlad Dracula , if you will being a great Christian King , the other thing I would say that I'm excited for for this season is not only reading , like Raymond Ibrahim , on the Sword and the Cemetery and also the defenders of the West of which he speaks of Vlad but we're also gonna have him on the show .

So we've got a lot of great historical evidence and discussion with actual historians for this season . A lot of that will be on Patreon , especially if you're a Patreon member . It's worth noting that we'll have a lot of these ad-free on Patreon early Full interviews , so a lot of these are actually already done .

You'll get the full interview before anybody else will . Some will drop during or after the season .

Speaker 1

Some of them will just be woven in , maybe to episodes . You won't even ever hear the full interview , unless you're a patron , exactly .

Speaker 3

So some of the other guys that we have Glenn Sunshine . We've already talked to him . That was amazing . Dr Joe Rigney phenomenal interview with him . We've got Dr George Grant coming up this week . We are recording with Dr Ben Merkle . We're gonna be talking about King Alfred , one of Dan's favorites , so I think this is gonna be just a meaty wonderful season .

Speaker 1

I'm really excited for it . I hope it goes on for one to 200 episodes . I'm gonna be honest .

Speaker 4

Two in a thousand , because there's just not much . It's just our new thing . It's season three Season three ad infinitum yeah .

Speaker 3

We are not limiting the scope or number of episodes in season three . Gentlemen , another question I wanna ask you from the cold open . I was really intrigued by this . Martin Lloyd Jones said this he said nothing . Surely is more important for us at this present time than to read the history of the past and to discover its message ? That's the end of the quote .

Do you guys think this is true ? And why is church history so important for present works of restoration and reformation ? Why start here ?

Speaker 1

Well , one reason . I think that wherever you find the ills within the church , within the camp , you will often be able to trace them very quickly to a rootlessness , to a historical rootlessness when a lot of our you know even what we talked about in season one , the errors of megachurchianity .

And these are often errors that are made where , if you had just asked one question , you would have been saved from all of them . And that question being has anybody else in the previous 19 centuries of Christian history thought or practiced the way that I am currently considering , thinking and practicing ?

And if the answer is no , it doesn't necessarily by brute , you know , deductive argument mean that you're wrong , but it does mean that you should really have an epistemic humility and pause and be able to articulate the position of the church , how it developed through history , what were the practices of my forefathers and why am I thinking about departing here ?

Is there wisdom and I think of so many issues in the church today that could be rectified had we merely stopped and either said is what I'm about to do , departing , an error and that's why nobody thought this way ?

Or have I even wandered down a few miles of error and I need to go back in history and find the point where we departed and go back there , and that's often what we have to do .

Speaker 4

Well , I think one of the issues is that your question like hey , has anybody done this previous 1900 years ? Is actually meaningless to the ignorant .

Speaker 1

Yeah , because they don't even know .

Speaker 4

Because and you addressed this earlier when people try to broad brush history into a certain narrative , then you know to essentially say previous 1900 years of church history was just wrong . It's actually like we've talked about this before with dispensationalism and some other modern ideas of Christianity , modern theologies , is that everybody was wrong .

Before me it is kind of the default position , whether it's explicitly said , it's assumed , and so it is really important to go back to the roots of historic Christianity and to see , because there's another thing too is that it's assumed that the first century church had everything perfect and then there was a whole dark age , you know , after , maybe like

post-Constantine Constantine and afterwards . That was just rediscovered recently , which again is a very Mormon ideal . So anyway , it is really important to go back and not be ignorant of how the church exercised their authority and their teaching and the culture and everything like that .

Actually , a book I would recommend to you is Anthony Esselen's book A Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization . It's a really good broad overview of the history of Western civilization .

Obviously it's in the title , but he goes in depth specifically in the Middle Ages and talks about how it was actually one of the greatest times of human flourishing in human existence and talks about that . I think that would be really helpful If you have just a general ignorance about church history .

Speaker 1

Even one thing that I learned .

This is so obvious now that I kind of like have read this sentence but even the fact that we call it the West , in the fact that we identify Christianity with the West , the reason that we do that is because the West is all that remained unconquered after the scourge of the Mohammedans went through and conquered vast swaths of Christian land and territory that had

been ruled Christianly for centuries . So even now I'm like the history of the West . I mean , I also wanna talk about the East . And there's all these veins of history that were just like you said . It's not that a lot of Christians are rejecting their history , it's that they don't even know them .

There was so much that happened in the East that I was simply ignorant of , and I know now like the more you learn , the more you know that you don't know . So there's just a whole like .

There's this great body of history of our forefathers that has so much to teach us today , and it's not only that the modern church has rejected it , it's that they've rejected it by not even learning it , and that is even worse .

Speaker 4

Well , and another thing that it does when you go back to history and discover the past for the present time , is that you realize that there is nothing new under the sun . You think , like Lloyd Jones had said , that our problems are new .

Like maybe it's a different flavor , slightly different flavor , but sexual immorality coming into the church , the LGBTQ stuff , women usurping their roles , men being effeminate and disregarding their authority as church fathers and pastors this is old . This is old , old stuff . I mean , this has happened so many different times and you know what you know .

What's interesting is there's often a uniting force throughout the cycle of church history . In history , and church history is that the church would fall into licentiousness , into sexual immorality , into bad teaching , and somebody would attack .

And all of a sudden , you have a united West , you have a united England , you have these united nations , the Western church is sending troops to the eastern city of Constantinople . Yeah , because of the persecution of Christians and things like that , yeah , I mean it's , and so this is something that's happened before .

And so another thing that it does is it actually gives you hope . It gives you hope because Christ is faithful . He is faithful to his church , he's faithful to his body .

I mean , you might have some crazy you know elimination , you know survivalists , I don't know Bunker Christianity idea like well , no , it's inevitable that everybody dies and that Christ comes back to pretty much no Christians . I think that's baloney and you can look at history and see that that's absolutely not true .

There have been worse times than we live in now and things have turned out amazing for the church . It just takes a few hundred years usually .

Speaker 3

Yeah , it's really interesting .

I was thinking of , you know , on knowing church history and we talked about adoption and fatherhood in the last episode , but one of our listeners , dear listeners , one of the kings in the King's Hall , had sent us a thing saying yeah , what you guys are talking about , two tiers of Christianity , like super Christians versus other he said this is actually old

doctrine of Kazwiki in theology . So Dan and I were unpacking that in the Pugelist on the Hardman podcast . But it was just a good point that if you understand the history of a doctrine , you see this hasn't actually knew it all , and then you can go back and then refute it based on well , how did , or it's already been refuted .

Speaker 1

It's already been refuted . Yeah , yeah , someone . The way I learned first about Kazwiki in theology is somebody accused me of doing it by saying that there was such thing as a better way of doing something than not . Oh , interesting . And they were like so what you're saying is there's like a higher tier of Christians ?

And I was like no , no , no , no , tell me where I lose you . It'd be better to do a better job at some things , and that's possible . It's called sanctification . It's called sanctification and just learning skills .

Speaker 2

Yeah , that's a good point .

Speaker 1

Yeah , super helpful 100% .

Speaker 3

Gentlemen , it seems like one of the things that I've seen a lot of people , as Brian and I , have been posting on Twitter about these ideas of Christendom . There's been a lot of pushback from people who have been cataclysm discipled by the current zeitgeist and the current zeitgeist historians . But the people are retarded .

But one of the charges I think could be a real charge that some of these people have said , which is are you guys just larking ? Are we just trying to lark back to an old age again of knights and roundtables and stuff like this ? And then I guess a follow up to that is so are we larkers ? And then what would make us not larkers ?

Speaker 1

That's a good question Are we larkers ? This is one of my favorite tactics of the sandblot discouragers is to just look at anybody doing anything and say , well , because you haven't achieved what took a civilization or people several hundred years to achieve , you're just larking and I'm like , well , no , no , no , no , we're actually just building on our own scale .

Yeah , look at that wall , a fox will climb on it and knock it down . Larker , because you haven't built a cathedral . That you guys know . Some of the cathedrals , well , you guys know Some of them were started in the 12th century , weren't finished till the Civil War , okay .

But if you went and just told that the people building them , you guys are just flipping larkers Like where's the roof on this thing ? It's like look things , take time and , believe it or not , we're three dudes . We can't single-handedly rebuild Christendom .

But here's the neat part you can participate in it as three guys and as a guy , as a family and with your limited little piddling vapor of a life . You really can use that for the glory of Christ . Don't let anybody discourage you with this . What are you doing ? What are you up to ? Like ?

Speaker 4

you're just tweeting at people or trying to do stuff . You're just throwing the election with . Ohio ratifying abortion into their constitution , and it was like Christian nationalism for the win . Oh , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1

It's like the whole in Moscow , idaho can't even Christianize a city . How are they gonna make America a Christian ? I'm like you guys . They've been at it for a couple decades , believe it or not . That's not that long . And look at what they've done in that couple of decades . Imagine it like what if ? What if history actually was longer than 16 minutes ? What ?

What if history didn't play out ? In 21 minute episodes of us sitcom .

Speaker 3

Let me ask you this , brian because I was thinking about this the other day I was driving to a friend's house and I passed a park and in the park where all these people dressed as knights and they had sort of the like I don't know type 2 diabetes , body type , you know . They were clearly not actually knights , is my point here .

Speaker 4

I was there .

Speaker 3

I don't know why you got a sub tweet .

Speaker 4

You can just tell me to my face , dan was there with his sword that has a Nordic name . I have insulin , yeah , so what ? But it seems like one of the things that would make larping .

Speaker 3

larping is the fact that people aren't actually building anything . Yeah , so even in your answer , it seems like we are actually seeking to take these things and apply them and do real building .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I usually say to people like I don't actually say this , but I think , like Paul , he says you've driven me mad , but I'm 32 and helped start a school , pastor , a church , do like all these different things . And it's like what have you done ?

55 year old guys sitting on the internet just like telling people that they're wasting their life , like we're not just . It would be totally fair to make that objection If we podcasted about stuff that we didn't do .

Speaker 3

That would be larping 100% .

Speaker 1

That would totally fair . Call me a larper and I'll wear the badge if that's the case . But things take time and they don't always work . Like we're post-molonialists , that doesn't mean that we think everything's going to be fixed within a generation or two and that we can guarantee it . God's telling a much more interesting story .

Speaker 4

You don't get the newspaper every day and go like , oh darn it , christendom isn't here yet . We haven't finished the work . We haven't finished yeah .

Speaker 1

We're small . We're tiny little pinpricks on the timeline . No one's probably going to remember most the vast majority of anything we ever do or say , but it's infinitely significant because we're doing a quorum day . We're doing it before God . You know what's larping , though , eric .

You know what's larping Is refighting 500 year old battles that are already won , while not doing anything about the battles today .

Speaker 3

So that's actually one thing I wanted to ask you , and I'll tie this in . I'm going to ask both of you this question .

One of the outflows of Martin Lloyd-Jones' life , I believe , with Ian Murray , was the starting of creating , like the Puritan paperbacks banner truth , because they wanted to revive the works of the Puritans , which has been such a tremendous blessing to the church . We're reading William Gooch Like thank God that these things have been brought back into publication .

One of the problems I've heard about these types of reform camps , though , is exactly that , like you want to wear the Luther shirt , but you wouldn't allow Luther to be in your church , you won't tolerate anybody with a sharp tongue . You won't tolerate anybody with a sharp sword who's actually going to use it .

So , dan , does it seem like the reform camp really is ? I feel like there are a lot of guys calling us LARPers who are actually LARPing , so I was going to tweet this . I saved it for our listeners in this show . Here's my hot take Do you think the reform camp I do Many of the reform camp is actually just LARPing ?

Speaker 4

Yeah , I mean . Well , you guys have already said it , they're content to fight battles that have already been won and for some reason it seems like they're . It's almost like Stolen Valor . What ?

Speaker 1

do you mean Well Stolen Valor ?

Speaker 4

So Josh Buiss and his wife go into some great cathedral in Europe wearing Luther shirts on Reformation Day .

Speaker 3

It's not actually a fight , though it's not a fight .

Speaker 1

They take selfies at the monuments of Christian forefathers . They would have excommunicated .

Speaker 4

Yes , that's what it is . They stand there and they take selfies . That's exactly what Erica said . Yeah , at the monuments of Christian forefathers they would have excommunicated .

Speaker 3

Samuel Rutherford , by the way , who wrote Lex Rex . It was like he would probably be somewhere in the Christian Nationalist camp .

Speaker 1

I mean , yeah , rutherford , all these , all these . It's to Stephen Wolf's point that what he's attempting to recover in his works are classical Christian political theology and theory , and what we have today are people who have . They're basically , they're like five point Calvinists .

You know , like the whole , I'm reformed because I'm a five point Calvinist they're five point Calvinists that often , without even realizing it , have replaced the entire foundation of actual reformed thought with something totally foreign to the history of Christian thinking .

And then they have the audacity to claim that they are the truly reformed ones , who are bulwarks standing against these dangerous and dark ideology .

Speaker 4

What is it Dark alchemies ?

Speaker 1

of Christians , you know , within the Christian camp , and I'm like you guys . You guys are you not ? Do you have no mirrors in your house ?

Speaker 3

Yeah , it actually reminds me . The passage we're referencing is Luke 11 , 47 , where Jesus says woe to you , for you build the tombs of the prophets whom your father's killed . So you are witnesses and you consent to the deeds of your father's , for they killed them and you build their tombs . So it's like this hypocrisy that's tied to history .

Dan , I want to ask you for our practical purposes , because I think we could be prone to this too as we go through and people could , our listeners could . Just to hammer this point home , what do you need to be doing to ensure that you're not some fake larper who is just , you know , appreciating some bygone era ?

You're just , I just love Victorian England or I just love this era . How do you not just become a phony doing that ?

Speaker 4

Yeah , I mean , it starts with the basics . So Brian had said , you know , if we just did a podcast and weren't doing anything else , then we would be larpers . So what is the distinction ?

Well , it's that I mean we could stop podcast , this could be our last podcast , we could press the stop button on the recording and then go do our thing , and that would literally change nothing from our day to day , other than we would have one less .

You know our meeting , that we talk into microphones , and it begins really with the small tasks of being a good father , being a good mother , discipling your kids .

Speaker 3

It's really like living out the household codes .

Speaker 4

The household codes . Yeah , thinking about your generations . Thinking about when you discipline your kids you're discipline your grandkids . Thinking about your money in a way that's laying up in inheritance for your grandchildren .

Thinking about the way that you know you interact with the church so that it'll be a bulwark in the coming tide and flood of the cultural insanity . Respecting those that are in authority over you and submitting to them . Making sure that you're actually taking care of your wife and loving her as Christ loves a church , and for ladies to respect their husbands .

And I mean it's really ordinary things . Even John Lovell , normie guy , war po society seems like a great guy .

Speaker 1

It's really funny that John Lovell is normie to us , Like that's how far right we are the guy that like 99% of society would be like look at that far right Christian terrorist and they're like I mean , he's kind of a normie .

Speaker 4

Well , he , I had just had a video short come up on my screen and he was saying , like all you have to do is look at a guy's wife and his kids Are they doing well Like ? Does she seem like she's taken care of , or the kids well disciplined , does he have ?

Speaker 2

a house that seems like pretty much in order .

Speaker 4

He's like that's a good man . That is a good man . He has his house in order , Like you're going to know the fruits of that man . You're going to know the worth of that man just based on his wife and kids .

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 4

And so if you want to not be a larper , I mean that's the best thing you can do is just do your duties . Do what Do your duties ? The guy who's got type two diabetes that's fighting in the park with a foam sword is not actually accomplishing anything . They're not doing their duties .

They might be having fun and by the way , if you like larping , I actually would love to larp . I mean even like , like here's we larp . I have that much confidence .

Speaker 1

I know , dan , we larp at sunset . Let's go .

Speaker 3

But like , let's do it , let's do it there's . I'm not going to be there for that , you guys can larp away , we're secure . But , howard , I do agree with you , there's a time and a place for that sort of thing , yeah . But yeah , dan , I think this is great . It's like well , do the hard work .

So , even in those situations , it's like if you really want to be building Christendom , then it's going to be things like physical discipline .

Yeah , it's going to be things like you know , yeah , we talk about this , but then we are also building a media company , we're building a school , we're building the church , and I think some things that people miss about us is 99% of our time is spent on pastoral ministry . Yeah , most of our conversations .

Speaker 1

This is actually such a small blip of what we're doing . In fact , this showed up on the calendar today to record this episode and I was like , oh man , we have to record the King's Hall . Like we got so much work to do .

Speaker 4

Yeah , I mean we started the recording like an hour and a half late because of different situations . You know Eric . You know Eric was late .

Speaker 1

There was this wonderful Twitter trend that was going around , like yesterday and the day before I think one of our own , mr Haller , started it of the AI generated cathedrals in your town . It was like the year 2137 .

Speaker 3

What a king .

Speaker 1

Okay , great job , first of all , mr Haller . And it got me thinking , like how many of the guys gleefully sharing these pictures don't tithe to their church ? And I'm like how do you think your church is gonna build a cathedral , even in a hundred years , if you can't even tithe ?

What , like , how would we have a school at our church if we did like all of these things ? That we have to be really ruthless with ourselves and Actually make sure that we're not LARPing . It really is a good pushback . It's a great self-assessment . Where am I like yeah , build the cathedral and I give 1% of my income to the church ? My friends , they're not .

They're gonna strip all they can have a cathedral or I've wondered the same thing , brian .

Speaker 3

I think you deserve is a strip mall strip mall . That's what I mean . Come on , it's . It's a phenomenal point , but I've wondered the same thing how many people who are running masculinity accounts ended up being complete schmucks ? and oh yeah , charlotte , and so yeah how many ladies running , you know , like trad wife accounts are actually just terrible women .

You know , there's all sorts of ways that we could analyze this . Maybe one of it , dan , is your favorite Parts , I guess , of worship , or one of them is that we do confession and usually the pastors are like ruthless with this .

In fact , our very own pastor Griffin was preaching recently and when he started into his application , one of my sons looked at me , because we know what happens when pastor Griffin's preaching . He looked at me and he was like here we go like we're about to get it and it's , but . But those things are good , also Because we're having to ask these questions .

Are you just a larper ? We're actually doing the things in your everyday life .

Speaker 4

I think one key to remember is that it's just like the criticisms from the people that are saying you're just larping . It's like where is your cathedral ? Like you know is on dinner Christian town yet you know it's been a few years like . I don't see the . You have to remember that this is the work of generations .

Yeah , and and the glory while it may not be that , oh , you get to worship God in the cathedral that you started . Mm-hmm , that's just not reality . Well , but it's . It's a greater glory because you actually stand at the headwaters of a flood of generations .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that did the work and you saw something that they , they get to see with their eyes . You only got to see it in faith . Yeah , that's that's the point of , like part of the glory of the Old Testament saints and the in a sense , our greater privilege is that they looked forward to something they didn't see .

Yeah , we get to see something Christ accomplished and did . There's a sense that you can live that out in your life , in your community , where faith is looking at things that aren't yet .

They aren't yet there , but but you believe that , based on the promises of God , they could be Mm-hmm , if you'd be faithful and if your children would be faithful and your children's children . That's a glory . Yeah , don't let anybody dismiss that as larping . Provided you're doing , provided you're doing your ditch digging there at the headwaters .

Speaker 4

Well , yeah , absolutely . And if you do your duties with the idea that this is generational work I'm actually when I , when I discipline my sons , or when you discipline your daughter and your daughters you actually have the force of generations behind them . And so you're doing this with the hope that God would be faithful to his promise to the thousandth generation .

He would bless them for those who love him . Yeah and so you're actually doing a greater work , in some senses , than the stone cutter .

Speaker 3

Yeah , yeah , well , and one of the things to piggyback on everything you guys have said . I think that's great . I would also give a word to the fathers in our camp who are the older men . If you're in the Boomer camp , I just want to encourage you don't be a sandblot when you see your kids dreaming of cathedrals and putting their backs into it .

Be an encouragement . Don't be the guy who's like , well , you'll never build that . I think a lot of that is actually just envy , because you know you didn't do it , or maybe your generation wasn't able to , maybe you tried whatever . But I think for the older men I would say come alongside the younger men . So you want a cathedral ?

Let me show you what it takes . Be the guy on D-Day who says you , you young ins , you don't know how to take that machine gun nest . Let me show you . Be that kind of father . And especially , this is about how we handle the weapon of history . Take the weapon of history and show your sons how to use it well and to give them hope .

Speaker 4

Yeah , because the , the young men will have zeal . Yes , and hopefully you have wisdom and , yeah , then they have strength , so it's your responsibility to help direct them .

Speaker 3

Yeah , I think that's a pivotal point . One of the things I want to talk about that fathers , as historians , need to do I think we're agreed on that role is they need to clear away the debris of false historical Narratives . This is going to be so tied to what kind of education we give our children .

But I specifically want to ask you guys what are some of the wells and the things that Philistines have put in the well that we need to most take out ? So these are false historical narratives . All throw one out there , because it's an easy one .

I think , yeah , and I would say this whole idea that colonization was all bad and and that everything that colonization did was bad , eric .

Speaker 1

You are . You are speaking my love language . My love language is not quality time .

Speaker 4

You should not physical touch , it's colonial , it's .

Speaker 1

Christian colonialism and Empire building . That's my love language imperialism go on . Thank you .

Speaker 3

Yeah . So I think one of the things that fathers have to be aware of is we need to be giving our sons the true stories of what like colonization was . So I want to give one example here . People are like what are you talking about ? Who's talking about decolonization ? Why is this so important ? I found one article .

There's literally hundreds of articles on decolonization when I look this up . One of them was even called decolonize your diet . That was one of the articles why you need a more ethnically diverse diet , because you're a colonialist .

One of the ones I found most hilarious , beautiful , was one that was called decolonize your bookshelf , and In case you wonder what that means , here's what the article says .

It says Decolonizing your bookshelf means actively examining and resisting Colonialist narratives in the books you read , in diversifying your reading to include books by authors from communities do that have been victims of colonialism and systemic racism . Eric .

Speaker 1

Why can't we just go back further and decolonize our bookshelves , go all the way back to like , let's say , native Americans it didn't even have written language get rid of books altogether , exactly , why not ? This is where D . Colonization . We don't want to follow the narrative of white supremacy by reading books . That's right .

Speaker 3

That's right . So I think actually , gentlemen , agree , disagree , and then we'll get some of the other historical narratives you see falls .

Speaker 4

One of my favorite books was written by a bunch of Jews , so which ?

Speaker 1

is called the Bible .

Speaker 3

What I will say is this I find that one of the things we're actually trying to do in Season three the Kings Hall and I'm trying to do with my sons is I'm actually trying to colonize my bookshelf .

So one of the things we're doing is based we're reading Rudyard Kipling , we're reading the things of Empire and realizing , you know , one of these stories which maybe we'll tell in season three is a little wet your appetite . There were I believe it was in India , when the British were in India and they were burning wives on funeral pyres .

Speaker 4

Yep Sati , I know yep and they said this is our culture .

Speaker 3

And he said well , our culture is that we kill people who do that . So our culture will be meeting your culture when you go burn your wife , erect gallows around the pyre . Yeah , so this is actually one of the glories of colonialism , one of the glories of Christendom and Western civilization .

Speaker 4

I think it's funny . By the way , we all know the story and none of us have talked about it with each other .

Speaker 1

Oh yeah , we all know it . We , we've all like , we've all , imagined being the guy saying it being like a king , oh that's , but in like a really sweet British accent . Oh it's amazing . I might , I can't . I can only do cockney . I can't do like a really sophisticated one . So so .

Speaker 3

So I want to ask you guys , what are some other Historical narratives , areas where we've polluted the wells .

Speaker 1

This is an easy one . Again , it returns to my absolute scorn for the Muhammadin religion . No , it is .

It is that we have bought this lie that Christians in the Crusades and in the the wars , even in the conflicts pre crusades , that Christians were basically sweeping through this great civilized culture , destroying centuries of Arabic progress and learning , and in all these sciences and literature , and that these barbaric Christians , lusting for treasure and killing , came

through and swept them away , when , in reality , what we're actually looking at are again lands that were brutally conquered through rape and pillaging of an evil , demonic religion , that were actively suppressing and oppressing their Christian brothers and sisters , which had been reduced to what they called Demi status of vassals , like killed at whim , raped at whim , sold

into slavery . One of the greatest slave trades in the world were Europeans , white Europeans , sold in a slavery for the purpose of the sex and other you know Awful things , to the point where many elite Arabic bloodlines became functional European because so many white women had been Stolen , abducted , put in slavery and raped by elite Muslim rulers .

So then the Christians go through and attempt to Liberate their brothers and sisters from this horrible , oppressive darkness , actually after basically having your house stolen by somebody else and and and we've bought this lie , this historical whitewashing that that they were just some kind of like animalistic Bloodlusting .

Speaker 3

It's just you this Brian in in modern popular things like the Black Panther movie , which is like , oh really there was like this black tribal people and they had all the technology . They were the great civilization . It's the same as the Mohammedan lie , but , what's interesting , we'll get into this in season three , of course .

One of the things that that I was reading said that actually , what was happening when the Muslims would conquer , they would take all the best scientists , philosophers , etc . Many of whom were like Coptic Christians . Yeah , they would change their names and claim that it was to like Al Jazeera .

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Speaker 1

Yeah , and the point isn't like there's a , the point we're not gonna act like , we're not gonna say this either . The point isn't that you had this sinless Christians and they never did anything wrong . That would be silly . That would be because all of us know that we ourselves are not like that . We all do things that are sinful and wrong .

It's not that we can never say well , I don't know if I would have done quite that .

It's that the overarching narrative is replayed such that Christians are basically orcs and they're and and they went through the , the woods of Lothalorean and and just like all these Virginal elves were there with their high-elvish culture , and the Christians just ruin it and sent them to the tumbling back to the Dark Ages .

And I'm like you've never picked up a history book . If you believe that that's the case , or at least A true history book if you think that's the case .

Speaker 3

Yeah , absolutely so . This will be . Pivotal is Understanding history , as it was , dan . Any thoughts ? Anything you want to add on that discussion ?

Speaker 4

I was looking for a quote . I couldn't find it . I'm kind of bummed , but essentially Esselin said that we as moderns would be uncomfortable in the Middle Ages because it was so full of light , of Joy and a flourishing that we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves is . Essentially , he says it much better , obviously , but you know .

Back to your question about what are some of the ways that the , that the Pharisees are the calling at the Dark Ages . Yeah , calling at the Dark Ages is just ludicrous .

Speaker 3

I mean , it's absolutely Insane it's interesting because even modern historians have said yet that the Dark Ages is a is a completely in the enlightenment that was invented to be like . Oh , christians are so bad .

Speaker 4

I would contend that we're actually going to be known in this age as the Dark Ages by future historians .

Speaker 1

I'm also bummed that we lost the rest . Like one of the wells we got stopped up as we lost the recipe for Greek fire .

Speaker 3

Oh , I don't know anything about Greek fire is like it's like napalm on the water , except better because it won't go .

Speaker 1

The Christians would figure it out a way like that is great . We you know what I don't want to ruin all of our future season .

Speaker 3

You got a wet the app we got a wet the appetite .

Speaker 1

They had basically napalm that they would use to burn opposing ships on the water it would burn on the . Christians absolutely dominated the Muslims at sea , in the , in Constantinople . I mean , they made them look silly .

Speaker 3

People tried to replicate today what Greek fire was . Nobody can figure it out .

Speaker 4

So I just looked it up on Wikipedia . There's a painting and it says the Roman fleet burn the opposite fleet down a Byzantine ship using Greek fire against a ship Belonging to the rebel . Thomas the slob Bro 821 do the slob . Thomas the slob , I don't know anything about him to have more children to name probably deserved it .

Speaker 1

Just name my sons after these Chad kings of history .

Please somebody name that one of their sons , vlad the Impaler , my sons are many of them are gonna sound like or eastern Orthodox Saints because , like some of the iraqulous , over some of the eastern Christians , like the way that they handled the , the Turkish invaders , is Like Nick my guy , never mind I'm you know what , I'm not gonna shoot my shot now .

We got to wait and get there . Dude , come back this hall , season three . You don't even know , you don't even know what you're in for .

Speaker 3

You Don't even know . Speaking of things we don't even know .

Speaker 1

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Speaker 3

It's gonna be rich things we don't know . Moving on now to things we do know Building monuments . I want to talk just a little bit about this . There's been controversy in our time over monuments . One of the places we've seen this , obviously , is with the recent melting down of Robert E Lee . This has been highly problematic and controversial in our era .

A lot of Christians have even said things like why would you ever celebrate somebody like Robert E Lee ? One of the books I think that is most helpful in understanding the idea of monuments and rewriting history is Pat Buchanan's the death of the West .

He says that tearing down monuments and rewriting history is one of the central aims of the Leftist state and , of course , it has been very Effective , effectively killing the West , he will say , by destroying its heroes and history . Well , I want to tie this , though , to scripture . What does scripture say about this ? What we find in many places ?

That God ordered the building of monuments to remind the people of what God had done in the past , and it was supposed to encourage , encourage future Generations .

Speaker 4

So example of this would be Joshua , chapter 4 , and I'm gonna ask mr Daniel Berkholder my guy Joshua or if you would read that for us when all the nation had finished passing over the Jordan , the Lord said to Joshua take 12 men from the people , from each tribe , from each tribe a man , and command them saying Take 12 stones from here out into the midst of

the Jordan , from the very place where the priest's feet stood firmly , and bring them over With you and lay them down in the place where you lodge tonight . Then Joshua called the 12 men from the people of Israel whom he had appointed , a man from each tribe .

And Joshua said to them Pass on before the Ark of the Lord , your God , into the midst of the Jordan and take up , each of you , a stone upon his shoulder , according to the number of the tribes of the people of Israel . That this may be a sign among you . When your children ask , in a time to come , what do those stones mean to you ?

Then you shall tell them of the waters , that the waters of the Jordan were cut off Before the Ark of the Covenant of the Lord , when it passed over the Jordan and the waters of the Jordan were cut off . So these stones shall be to the people of Israel a memorial forever .

Speaker 3

Beautiful . Thank you , dan . Well , one of the things , guys , that we've been talking about in particular with this episode sort of the work of season 3 of Kings Hall is we're trying to Metaphorically at least rebuild the monuments of some of our heroes to remind our sons and future generations of the great works that were done .

I find it interesting in this passage that the fathers of one generation were commanded to erect monuments . No in God says . Your children were asked in time to come . What do these stones mean to you ? And so we ought to have an answer for that . People might ask , brian , why are your children named Vlad the Impaler ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , actually my children aren't named Vlad the Impaler , alfred . They could exactly Alfred , absolutely so .

Speaker 3

Alfred , I want to ask you guys , kingsley , yeah . I mean , I cannot make it any more obvious my wife .

Speaker 1

She was uncomfortable with naming him literally first name King , middle name Alfred , which I don't understand , guys . I don't understand .

Speaker 3

So I want to ask you guys this question why are visible signs in God's wisdom ? Why are they important for the transmission of history from one generation to the next ?

Speaker 1

We've got to fight Gnosticism , we've got to fight this spiritualizing Instinct . That is the instinct of the Anabaptist , it's the instinct of the , of the , the church in Colossians , that needed to be rebuked .

It's this instinct of saying , basically , buildings don't matter , buildings of Jesus , juicing everything all the way down to the bottom , like , of course your problem with a Jesus , brian ?

Speaker 4

do you hate Jesus ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , I'm saying is like it is so fast out , it's so like try to think clearly , try to think in categories , try not to be an ignoramus and Actually like live your life in the real world as a disciple of Jesus Christ who cares about all of it .

Speaker 3

So so one of the Jesus weeks we had recently and and this is a , I think exactly what you're talking about I had posted Obviously it's from first Peter , but you know , ladies call your husband Lord , and people are like I have one Lord .

Speaker 1

He is the Lord Jesus Christ and I'm like , okay , I'm like , how is he the Lord of Lords ? Then that's really confusing how he could be that confusing like GM King and people are like there's only one king . It's the king of ages .

Speaker 3

So , brian , are you arguing in your insanity over there Are you actually arguing that that monuments and cathedrals actually matter ?

Speaker 1

Of course they matter , like what we're saying in the things that we build is we're it's a language , we're communicating , and stone and stained glass , things that we think are true .

For example , we're saying , by building a cathedral , even a church like the one that we are in now , we're saying Christians believe in transcendent beauty , they intend to be here for a really long time and they actually think that the world God made was good and that there is such thing as beauty and ugliness and that those things , as you behold and contemplate

them , will either shape you into an ugly soul or a beautiful soul . So we have this Piatistic Christian instinct that is like let's reduce everything down to its heavenly ultimate . But the , the Lord's prayer immediately teaches us not to do that .

It teaches us that we pray that God's will would be done on earth as it is in heaven , in the earthly things , that we would orient earthly things to their heavenly realities and heavenly good .

Speaker 4

I mean , don't you know that heaven looks like Dallas though ?

Speaker 1

strip balls all the way down our .

Speaker 4

Number one .

Speaker 1

And we keep dunking on them , guys , just simply build a more beautiful city .

Speaker 4

I know you didn't do it good restaurants in ugly buildings , but please please , I am begging you .

Speaker 1

Somebody buys something ugly and knock it down and build something and the funny thing is that when you build ugly things Cheaply , it ends up being more expensive in the long haul because you have to keep knocking it down . It keeps destroying the souls of people so they actually want to just utterly destroy it and build something in its place .

So Christians are always speaking in our architecture and our art and how we live our lives , how we garden and how we , you know , have courtyards around our churches and beautiful graveyards and Mausoleums and all like . Of course you can idolize those things , yeah , but you don't . You don't destroy idolatry by destroying the object of your idolatry .

If it To the degree that it is a good thing that God created , yeah . You don't destroy man's tendency to worship the woman by destroying the woman .

Speaker 4

I mean the thing is he ?

Speaker 1

in the past , making the woman fat and ugly .

Speaker 4

Yeah , in the passage that we , that we read from Joshua , it's full of signs and symbols . I mean , this is just the way God operates . God says to do it . He says build a monument . And , by the way , what was the monument representing the Ark of the Covenant passing over the waters or through the waters ? The Ark of the Covenant ?

Does God need the Ark of the Covenant like ?

Speaker 1

no , no .

Speaker 4

Does God need what the Ark of the Covenant contained ? He ?

Speaker 1

doesn't need anything no .

Speaker 4

I mean , it's a sign and a symbol so that you remember and that it's tied to truth , and that's why something like a cathedral or a church building , stained glass , like you said , all of these , these symbols you know , actually matter , because they remind you of the promises of God and of the great works that God has done , and yeah , and what people want to

do ?

Speaker 1

they want to continue to be like . Well , those were built through the sale of indulgences and slaves . So are you saying you're for those things that I'm like ? No , tell me where I lose you . I'd like to build cathedrals without selling indulgences or enslaving anyone . Well , just to do it , get us a cathedral faster and to pay just to pay for it .

You know like actually you can do the one thing without the . It's like saying you know people , that people that enslave people lived in houses . Where are you building houses ? And I'm like you're just not thinking clearly . You're just revealing that you're a low tier intellect who can't think in clear categories . If you talk like that , that was really insulting .

Well , it should be Like these people should be ashamed of themselves . No , I'm 100%- . So I know why is everybody always mad at Eric ? When every episode of the King's Hall I basically insult like 100,000 people literally every episode , I'm actually like I'm kind of disappointed , I know .

Speaker 4

It's because of the curls and your mustache . People are like , oh , that was really neat , but he's got a curly mustache . I'm shaving it , that's it .

Speaker 1

No , please don't . I'm not Exaggerate the curls , I'm not . I'm not gonna do it . Jj Chase Davis the other day he was like he asked for a picture for because I went on his podcast like to help promote it or whatever , and he's like by the way , you're the only person I know in the world that curls your mustache like that .

That's not Woken Gay and I was like bro it's called that's why it's disarming . It's called colonization .

Speaker 4

We're reclaiming the mustache from the wokes of the gay . I think the curl mustache is too far gone to recover at this point but you know what ?

Speaker 1

You just don't have the eyes of faith . Man , I also look terrible with a curl mustache , you look so good LARPing . No , you're Viking , you can't do it . I'm French .

Speaker 4

I have thought of braiding by beard . Actually I bought beard ties and things like that . I would look so dumb . I'm just not confident enough to do that .

Speaker 1

But I hope for a day when you are confident .

Speaker 4

It also looks really funny in like a jacket . You know a blazer having a beard .

Speaker 1

I hope for a day when Daniel Burkholder has the confidence to braid his beard in public . Wow , I'm on record .

Speaker 3

This was not in the notes , but it's beautiful .

Speaker 1

Actually , this was all in the notes . Eric wrote this all in this . Was just reading a script .

Speaker 3

This was a script , brian . I wonder if you would walk us through just reading the next section . I want to tie this together with the magisterial reformation and because the last thing I want to talk about today is it's going to take a certain kind of person to carry out this work of Christendom .

A lot of times when we look at church history , it's guys like Ambrose , it's guys like you know , that are maybe offending people . God forbid , right . These are guys who are not the cookie cutter Matt Chandler , nice guy who's afraid to step on toes and wants to , you know , play nice with the current culture .

So if you would just do me the honor , I got you .

Speaker 1

Well , it really takes us back to the beginning of the 16th century , when God began to raise up a series of strong-willed figures that we now call the reformers Eric Based there had been earlier reformers in the church , but those came to prominence in this period were the best educated , the most godly and the most faithful reform leaders the church had ever seen .

These men were steeped in scripture . They were marked by audacious courage in the face of opposition . They were emboldened by deep convictions as to the truth and a love for Christ's church that drove them to attempt to bring it back to its timeless standard . In the simplest terms , they long to see God's people worship him .

According to scripture , these men were shining lights in a dark day . Some of them literally lit on fire , saying I hope that my burning body is a candle that illuminates such a light in England as to never be put out . The reformers did not see themselves as inventors , discoverers or creators . Historian Stephen Nichols tells us .

Instead , they saw their efforts as rediscovery . They weren't making something from scratch . They were reviving something that had become dead or dying . They looked back to the Bible .

They looked back to the apostolic era , as well as the early church fathers , such as Augustine , in the fourth and fifth century , for the mold by which they could shape the church and reform it . The reformers had a saying ecclesia reformata , semper reformata , meaning the church reformed , always reforming .

The Magisterial Reformers are so-called because their reform efforts were supported by at least some ruling authorities or magistrates and because they believed the civil magistrates ought to enforce the true faith . So this term is used to distinguish them from the radical reformers , the Anabaptists , whose efforts had no Magisterial support .

The reformers are also called Magisterial because the word Magister can mean teacher and the Magisterial Reformation strongly emphasize the authority of teachers .

Speaker 4

Okay , brian , first of all , based Based , I thought you were gonna read the whole thing , like you were discussing it , like I was just coming up on the opposite of my head .

Speaker 3

Yeah , I was really impressed .

Speaker 1

And it's called just segueing . Naturally , I learned it from Eric Khan .

Speaker 3

Segue , naturally .

Speaker 1

Speaking of the reformers Tamales Kidding just kidding .

Speaker 3

I love it .

Speaker 4

Yes , but lunch seriously Ben .

Speaker 3

So , dan , there are often problems that we have with reading the reformers . We've talked about this , some of the LARPing that can happen but I wanna point specifically to the Magisterial Reformers and perhaps why they were so effective . It says from what Brian just walked us through .

These men were steeped in scripture and marked by audacious courage in the face of opposition . Maybe they were men like Charles Martel , whose name means the hammer , I mean tours , come on .

Speaker 1

Brian , your French people . The battle of tours . French people represent Represent , not French-Canadian . If anybody says French-Canadian I am going . Hey , by the way , I love how we all love colonialism until it gets to Canada from France okay , but they're just so .

Speaker 3

Oh Canada .

Speaker 1

Look , I know that we've fallen far , but which of our great races have not ? Which great races of men have not fallen far ? Yeah , that's really true , Eric . We need to reclaim them and stop spitting on them and stamping the French people into the dirt and instead reclaim the glory of Charlemagne .

Speaker 3

So I totally agree . One of the interesting things is the other day . I was talking to Brian's kid and he was like well , you know , our family is French . He was selling the other boys and I said , actually , you guys are French-Canadian .

Speaker 1

And he was like are we really we're really not even French-Canadian is the best part of the whole joke . And then I did tell him I was like you told me this I didn't invent it .

Speaker 2

You said that there was one of the king's prostitutes that was sent to Canada to

Speaker 1

have . The daughters of the king were French women that came and helped to colonize in Canada , but then my people immigrated into America , which is just that's how immigrants work . We move around , but our motherland is France . Okay , it's France , it's the Frankish people , it is . I'm probably descended from Charlemagne , like I'm just , it's likely .

Speaker 3

It's likely I'm actually the great grandson of Charlemagne . I don't know how to say that Charlemagne is my cousin .

Speaker 1

He's my cousin .

Speaker 3

So , speaking of great men , gentlemen , I wanna tie things up with a nice bow here Again . It's gonna take somebody with audacious courage to do this work . Obviously , you're gonna have sand blots . We have found this . Brian , you go on Twitter , you say normal Westman-Syrian things and people are like what is it with you and your hot takes .

Speaker 4

Quoting William Goode oh , good night . Yeah , your tweet recently was just like an exposition of Genesis two in the marriage ceremony Right For God .

Speaker 2

Adam and Eve .

Speaker 3

Yeah .

Speaker 4

Saying parents stand in the position of God in a marriage ceremony , Like that's obvious . It's obvious .

Speaker 3

it's normal People exploded .

Speaker 4

They lost their ever-loving minds .

Speaker 3

But if you were a soft guy , if you were the guy who couldn't take criticism , I don't think you're gonna be leading this work of reformation . So again , just what kind of guy is it gonna take ? Obviously a guy's like us . Okay , no , eric .

Speaker 4

Eric's been building on the whole episode In all humility . No .

Speaker 2

It's me .

Speaker 1

No , it's me , it's me . I mean , I'm serious , but , like you , do wanna be unironically . We've been taught that there's a false kind of humility that is true virtue when it's actually a damnable vice and it is being too humble to want to be like the great heroes .

Yeah , you should absolutely wanna be the good guy in the story , to be like them , to imitate them and to walk in their footsteps , and so , of course , you don't wanna be the kind of like egomaniac that's like I basically am as cool as Charlemagne today , but you should be saying I'm going to try to be a good king in my domain .

Speaker 3

Well , don't you think Brian like the ?

Speaker 1

number of times I've no King of .

Speaker 4

Christ .

Speaker 1

Get out . You know what ? I think there's a G3 podcast that you might be gifted to start , brian one of the things I noticed a lot with you , though Cohesed by Jolly Roll .

Speaker 3

Oh , geez , wow , You're gonna have to bleep that out Ray , leave it in One of the things , brian .

That is interesting , though , is I've seen the criticism fly toward you a lot , which is you know , you're going out there and you're saying things with conviction , like you actually think they're true , and people are like no , no , no , you need to come out and you need to be like well , you know , let's have a moratorium on making a declaration here .

But , why is like we have to resist that temptation , correct ?

Speaker 1

Yes like , of course , I always love it because I'm like , oh , and you're very confident that I'm being proud in being confident that I'm correct about this thing , or like , and you are very confident that I'm wrong and that we should do what you think is right , like it's inescapable that you're gonna have confidence somewhere down the line , even if you're like

I'm confident only of this , that I don't know anything and I'm an idiot . And then I'm like well , why are you speaking to any issue at all if you're so confident that you're such a dummy ? It's like you must have conviction and you must live by those convictions . It's inescapable . It's not weather , but which issue .

You're going to have convictions , make sure they're good ones and then full send , full send . Stop being a coward who's pretending to be humble by play , acting at being a kind of guy who has no firm convictions in his mind . Nobody's buying it . Nobody actually thinks you're humble , we're just annoyed .

Now , some people do think they're humble , some people do , but the rest of us are just annoyed .

Speaker 3

So Dan this principle . A lot of men have said it . I think Doug Wilson is one of the places I heard this , but he said you can't love your enemies if you never make any . And Churchill said that if you're fighting for good causes , you're always going to have enemies .

So if you're going to be a reformer , if you're going to be a cathedral builder , why do you need to be comfortable as being the kind of man who has real enemies who hate him ?

Speaker 4

Well , I mean , just the principled man in general is going to have people that hate them because , I mean , one of the principles of being principled is that you're immovable on your principles . That was a lot of principles , but if you know something is right , you're immovable People .

You're not going to bow to the whims of the crowd or the mob or whatever ideology , the zeitgeist of the time , and so people are naturally going to hate you . And so if you don't have enemies , if you don't have people that dislike you , maybe you're not a principled guy .

Speaker 3

Mm-hmm , mm-hmm , mm-hmm .

Speaker 2

Beautiful Mm-hmm .

Speaker 3

Guys , we've learned about history . Yeah , we're teeing up for season three . We're wrapping things down now . Yeah , I do want to give a few plugs . If you're not yet on Patreon , please go there . You're going to have lots of exclusive content , not only this week , but in the future , with the King's Hall after hours . Dan , we're going to have a lot of .

Not everything is going to fit in a main episode , no .

Speaker 2

Not even close .

Speaker 3

There's going to be so much that is going to be put behind a paywall for you , dear listener , who's a supporter of this show , one of our Kings , so we encourage you to check that out . You can sign up for as little as $5 a month and , brian , I want to . You're you play a flute . What's the A floutist .

Speaker 1

Don't play a flute . You're a floutist , you have a floutist album coming out . No , this is actually all incorrect .

Speaker 3

Yeah , everything , everything you just said .

Speaker 1

All untrue .

Speaker 3

But there are some exciting music things that people can .

Speaker 1

For the record , I'm incapable of making a sound on a real flute . I can't do it Like the whole .

Speaker 4

His brother was first chair floutist . My brother's a very good floutist .

Speaker 3

What ?

Speaker 1

I'm not making that up , and he has one obviously , so I've tried . I literally cannot do the thing where you blow across the hole and make the sound . It's like a three-year-old trying to do it . It's actually embarrassing .

Speaker 4

Interesting , not embarrassing , though you do have music .

Speaker 1

I do have some music . Yeah , I got a three-song acoustic EP , Christmas EP , two great hymns let all mortal flesh keep silence , Joy to the World , and then song 124 , a setting of that included as well . This is like real organic stuff .

I recorded most of it in one take with a single mic just sitting in front of me playing the song , so it's much less produced . I did all of it myself , mixed-mastered everything myself .

Speaker 4

By organic he means drum circle Like drum circle .

Speaker 1

Emily Heimstra came back , played viola on Joy to the World . I played harmonica on song 124 . And guys , I think we can all agree that it is easily your favorite musical moment of all time . That right , I would have to listen to that , ray , can you put in ?

Speaker 3

like cheers and edit in like a whole roaring crowd just right there when I said that Brian charges me for his music . So Really .

Speaker 4

Yes , You're still a patron of Brian's so big . Yeah , Eric is a patron . Well , I just there .

Speaker 3

Makes no sense in New York I feel like it would be really awkward to unsubscribe . Oh , I used to be a patron of hard men . Yeah , you did , and I canceled it , and I still remember .

Speaker 4

You know why ? Cause I'm like on 60% of your after hours .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's true . Why would I pay to listen to myself ? Yeah , but you know what ? for in all seriousness , guys , go share heart songs or , if you like the music , go share it , because you wouldn't believe , like 13,000 people have hit the follow button on Spotify . Only 30% of those people have even listened to my heart songs album yet , really .

So you think , like when you're on Twitter , that everybody's heard it . Most people haven't . So share it with your friends . If you like the music , share this podcast with your friends . If you like the stuff that we're putting out , red pill them . Or drop it in or if you hate it , share it . Don't dunk on us guys make a whole YouTube channel .

I'm looking at you , deanie Lentil-Beanie . Just I mean , get out there and make some dumb responses to our content that make no sense and make you look unintelligent . You would appreciate it if you would do that .

Speaker 3

After you listen to heart songs , you got to check out Le Chant de Templiers . Is that French ? It's the way you said , it sure sounded French Okay well , it is because it's the chant of the Knights Templars . We listened to this in our house . Yes , and it is based . Yes , daniels , we're gonna have to include that . Yes , absolutely , in three , absolutely .

We want to encourage everybody . Thanks for listening . Also , festo nolente , make haste slowly and until next time , stay frosty and also listen to the heart man podcast Kings all out as a major student Broadway music and production of鹿 Music Elo Mobile .

Speaker 2

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