Pope Urban II and the Call for the First Crusade

He then summarized an account of all the blood that was spilled when Duke Godfrey and his forces conquered Jerusalem in 1099 . Similarly , the New York Times said in 1999 that the Crusades were comparable to Hitler's atrocities and the ethnic cleansing that occurred in Kosovo . That same year , a former nun , karen Armstrong , shared her opinion on the Crusades .

Crusading answered a deep need in the Christians of Europe . Yet today , most of us would unhesitantly condemn the Crusades as unchristian . After all , jesus told his followers to love their enemies , not to exterminate them . He was a pacifist and had more in common with Gandhi , perhaps , than Pope Urban .

End quote she also echoed a modern liberal sentiment that holy war cannot jive with the pacifism of Jesus . One former priest , james Carroll , agreed saying that the Crusades left a trail of violence that scars the earth and human memory even to this day .

Such claims date back to the Enlightenment , a time period in which British and French intellectuals invented the term Dark Ages to vilify the Catholic Church and elevate themselves in its place . David Hume , for example , said that the Crusades were the most signal and most durable monument to human folly that has yet appeared in any age or nation .

End quote German Lutheran Church historian Johann Lourdes von Mönchheim , who lived from 1693 to 1755 , was probably the origin of the Crusaders as Western imperialists' false narrative . He said the motivations for crusading should be ascribed to a mixture of superstition and fanaticism .

Later , edward Gibbon said that the Crusaders went in pursuit of mines of treasure of treasure , gold and diamonds , of palaces of marble and jasper and of odiferous groves of cinnamon and frankincense . By the 1980s the anti-western narrative had picked up steam . One scholar said our verdict on the crusades is that it amounted to a colonial exploitation .

Karen Armstrong said Rodney Stark summarizes the modern popular consensus on the Crusades in this way . This narrative is patently false , as even a growing number of secular historians like Rodney Stark have long pointed out .

We'll get to the real story in just a moment , but first we wanted to ask a pivotal question why is the progressive , secular , marxist left so hell-bent on destroying the true history of Christendom and its heroes To answer this question .

We want to turn now to the cultural prophet , patrick J Buchanan , who wrote the following words in 2002 , long before critical race theory or wokeness had swallowed up the discourse of everyday American lives . Buchanan writes Alexander Solzhenitsyn was right when he said to destroy a people , you must first sever their roots . How does one sever a people's roots ?

Answer destroy its memory , deny people the knowledge of who they are and where they came from . If we forget what we did , we won't know who we are , said Ronald Reagan in his farewell address to the American people . I am warning of the eradication of the American memory that could result ultimately in an erosion of the American spirit .

In the Middle Ages , ottoman Turks imposed on Balkan Christians a blood tax . Christians a blood tax . One boy out of every five taken from their parents . The boys were raised as strict Muslims to become the fanatic elite soldiers of the Sultan , the Janissaries , who were then sent back to occupy and oppress the peoples who had born them For a modern state .

The formula for erasing memory was given to us by Orwell in the party slogan of Big Brother who controls the past controls the future . Who controls the present controls the past . Destroy the record of a people's past .

Leave it in ignorance of who its ancestors were and what they did , and one can fill the empty vessels of their soul with a new history , as in George Orwell's book 1984 . Dishonor or disgrace a nation's heroes and you can demoralize its people .

The cause of Irish independence was crippled by the revelation that the great Charles Stuart Parnell was living in adultery with the wife of Captain O'Shea . Baseball almost did not survive the Black Sox scandal of 1919 , when the popular hero , shoeless Joe Jackson , was found to have taken money from gamblers and his team had thrown the World Series .

The loss of faith was caught in the kid's lament . Say it ain't so , joe . Richard Nixon's new majority was shattered by Watergate and the resignation of a resident and vice president who had carried 49 states .

The success of Nixon's enemies and outing from office a hated adversary became the archetype for the politics of personal destruction the defeat of causes by disgracing their flawed champions . It had become standard operating procedure in American politics . Cultural Marxists understood this . Their critical theory was a prototype of the politics of personal destruction .

What the latter does to popular leaders , critical theory does to an entire nation through repeated assaults on its past . It is the moral equivalent of vandalizing the graves and desecrating the corpses of its ancestors .

Many of the institutions that now have custody of America's past operate on the principles of Big Brother's Ministry of Truth , drop down the memory hole the patriotic stories of America's greatness and glory and produce new warts-and-all histories that play up her crimes and sins , revealing what we have loved to be loathsome and those we have revered to be disreputable ,

even despicable . Many old heroes have not survived the killing fields of the new history . Ultimate goal destroy patriotism , kill the love of country , demoralize the people , deconstruct America . History , then , will no longer unite and inspire us , but depress and divide us into the children of victims and the children of the villains of America's past .

A child's love of its mother grows naturally , but love of country must be taught . Only by learning can a child know of the people and nation to which he or she belongs . For those born before World War II , love of country came easy . Radio , movies , newspapers , comic books and conversations conveyed the same message . We are a good and rising people .

Attacked without warning at Pearl Harbor , many brave Americans had died there . Others were bayoneted on the death march in a place called Bataan . Now we were paying Japan back . There was a spirit of solidarity and unity then , unlike any we have known , since we were truly one nation , indivisible , and one people .

But after the assassination of President Kennedy , an adversary culture arose that set about dynamiting America's legends , demythologizing her history and demolishing her heroes . With its media collaborators , this counterculture has left scarcely an institution unscarred or a hero unsullied . We grew up in an era of belief .

We grow old in an era of disbelief , feebly fending off the relentless pounding of the artillery of an adversary culture that accepts no armistice .

Which brings us to a pivotal question what really happened in the Crusades ? What motivated them ? In short , after centuries of bloody conquest by the Muslims into lands once held by Christendom , the West finally fought back . As we covered in a previous episode , heraclius and the Byzantine Empire suffered a serious defeat at Yarmouk in 636 .

After the Muslim invasion , huge percentages of once Christian lands were consumed by invading Muslim forces . Of once Christian lands were consumed by invading Muslim forces . Muhammad's upstart religion was notoriously bloodthirsty and violent , and the following centuries were therefore marked by continuous Muslim incursions into Christian territory .

As a result , christian heroes like El Cid and Charles Martel would engage in defensive campaigns to reconquer Christian lands and to free their people from the tyranny , rape and forced slavery imposed by Islamic peoples .

It was a brutal and intolerant age , and so , as Rodney Stark points out , efforts to portray Muslims as enlightened supporters of multiculturalism are , at best ignorant . In November of 1095 , at the height of the Muslim invasion . Pope Urban II spoke from a platform outside the French city of Clermont , surrounded by an enormous crowd .

At 53 years of age , urban retained his vigor and was blessed with an unusually powerful voice that reached across to the very edges of the assembled crowd in an era that didn't have electronic amplification very edges of the assembled crowd in an era that didn't have electronic amplification . There he gave a speech that would change history forever .

Urban speech was sparked by a dispatch that had arrived sometime earlier from Count Robert of Flanders , containing within it a letter from Alexius Commemnis , ruler of the Byzantine Empire . In the letter , emperor Commemnis begged the Pope for aid . The Seljuk Turks newly converted to Islam had been radicalized and militarily mobilized by their new religion .

They had begun a fanatical invasion to Christian territory . In their surprise invasion , they had routed Christian army after Christian army . They had devoured the city of Jerusalem and all the cities surrounding it .

Tens of thousands of men strong , the Turks now made camp just 100 miles from the great city of Constantinople , the eastern bulwark of Christianity for the last thousand years . Constantinople seemed to be on the verge of defeat . The Byzantine emperor swore that if Constantinople fell then all of Europe would follow with it .

Alexius had started his letter by pleading and begging and then ended it by promising the wrath of God on Urban if he should fail to help the Greeks . Alexius wrote , quote Therefore , in the name of God , we implore you to bring to this city all the faithful soldiers of Christ .

In your coming , you will find your reward in heaven , and if you do not come , god will condemn you . Despite the long-standing rift between the Church of the Latin West and Eastern Byzantium , pope Urban quickly grasped the severity of the situation .

He rightly judged that if Constantinople fell , the rest of Europe and Christendom would be next , and so he went about preaching all across Europe to kings , knights and farmers alike . At Claremont , urban implored the leading men of Europe to rise to the defense of Jerusalem and all of Christendom . Speaking in French , he said , quote the Muslims destroy the altars .

After having defiled them with their uncleanness , they circumcise the Christians , and the blood of circumcision they either pour on the altars or pour into the vases of the baptismal font . When they wish to torture a people by a base death , they perforate their navels and , dragging forth the extremity of the intestines , they bind it to a stake .

Then , with flogging , they lead the victim around until , the viscera having gushed forth , the victim falls prostrate on the ground . What shall I say to the abominable rape of women ? To speak of it is worse than to be silent On whom , therefore , is the labor of avenging these wrongs and recovering this territory incumbent , if not upon you ? Pope Urban went on .

Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians . Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward . Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor . Behold on this side will be the End quote .

Let them eagerly set out on the way , with God as their guide .

Hundreds of knights present partook of the action , effectively swearing their oaths to relieve their eastern brethren of the oppression of the Islamic religion and military force . It was not lowly knights that swore oaths that day , but predominantly powerful members of the nobility , such as Count Raymond of Toulouse .

As the crosses were made , cries of Dieu le Vaut rang out in French . The saying translated in Latin as Deus Vult means the Lord wills it . It would become the rallying cry of the Crusades , which are conventionally defined as the conflicts between Christendom and Islam for control of the Holy Land that occurred between 1095 and 1291 .

Pope Urban's speech concluded , according to Baldrick , by his turning to the bishops and enlisting them to go preach the Crusades elsewhere . This was significant and necessary because , despite the will of the impassioned knights at Clermont , many thousands more would be needed to fight in a crusade against Islam .

It's perhaps hard for modern American Christians , who have been leavened by the teachings of pietism and pacifismism , to comprehend , but it was a deep sense of piety that caused Christian knights to respond to the call for a crusade . They enlisted in the cause because the world was a bloody mess and they saw it as their job to defend Christendom in its cities .

They heard the stories of Christian pilgrims being slaughtered and nuns being raped . It moved them to take action . Likewise , knights of that era were trained for , and expected to be engaged in , warfare .

As Rodney Stark puts it , a knight was raised to regard fighting as his chief function and throughout his life the knight spent most of his time in practicing with his arms or actually fighting . Dull periods of peace were largely devoted to hunting on horseback such savage animals as the wild boar .

End quote Understanding the knight's motivation , urban couched his offer to join in a crusade in terms of joining a monastic order . For the knight . There would be an imparting of a special holiness , a purging from sin and a certainty of salvation for those who took part .

Hubert of Nogent recalled Urban's words at Claremont , which were as follows God has instituted in our time holy wars so that the order of knights , who have been slaughtering one another , might find a new way of gaining salvation , and so they are not forced to abandon secular affairs completely , but can attain some measure of God's grace , while pursuing their own

careers with the liberty and dress to which they are accustomed . End quote . As Stark writes , tens of thousands of dedicated pacifists could do nothing to liberate the Holy Land . It was going to take an army of belligerent knights who were motivated but not transformed by the promise of salvation . Thus the invention of penitential warfare .

As for who actually went on the First Crusade , it was largely groups of closely related families who already had wealth and status . They were mostly from the ruling class and went at great personal cost to themselves . There , of course , was a people's crusade led by Peter the Hermit , but it was largely ineffective and was annihilated upon its arrival .

More on that later . Stark writes consider the family headed by Count William Tethardy of Burgundy . He had five sons . Of these , three went on the First Crusade , and the fourth became a priest who , as Pope Calixtus II , inaugurated an extension of the Crusade to attack Damascus in 1122 . Count William also had four daughters .

Three were married to men who joined their brothers-in-law and went on the First Crusade , and the fourth was a mother of a First Crusader Crusade . And the fourth was a mother of a First Crusader . As for the Second Crusade , this family sent 10 Crusaders in 1147 .

Crusading was largely a family rather than individual enterprise because substantial sums of money had to be raised to supply the journey . Often men were forced to mortgage entire estates to cover the cost of crusading . Crusading was a ridiculously expensive endeavor , which is why mainly nobility signed up .

Knights needed armor , arms , preferably two or three warhorses , a riding horse , many pack horses and mules and various other supplies . For example , guy of Thiers paid 10 pounds for a warhorse , which was equal to more than two years of salary for a ship's captain . Knights also needed servants , clothing , tenting and cash for the journey .

By Rodney Stark's estimate , the typical crusader needed to raise at least four or five times his annual income before he could set out . Likewise , it must be noted that roughly 10% responded to Urban's call , which means 90% did not .

The reality was that crusading was expensive , most would die on the way or in the fighting , and it was more likely to bring destitution not financial gain .

Likewise , far from establishing an imperial colony that would bring riches to Europe , the Crusades frequently became contentious because they drained resources and sent some of Christendom's best heroes to die in the Holy Land , far from home . In the First Crusade there were largely two camps the People's Crusade and the Prince's Crusade .

The People's Crusade was organized by Peter the Hermit , who'd gathered an impressive group in size thanks to his remarkable preaching . The People's Crusade , which also included Walter the Penniless , grew as large as 100,000 strong . It was composed of lowly knights , peasants and even women and children .

Because it lacked leadership , the People's Crusade often got sidetracked with pillaging along the way . In Bulgaria , for example , peter's contingent could not be controlled and , after looting nearby towns , got into a heated conflict with the Bulgarians .

Quote as many as a third of Peter's contingent were killed , writes Rodney Stark , and many of their wagons were lost to the Bulgarians , including Peter's treasure wagon . End quote the first to arrive in Constantinople . In August of 1096 , peter's contingent was sent by the emperor to cross the Sea of Marmara and establish a camp at Helenopolis .

He was joined there by Walter and his knights . After two months there and a few successful pillaging runs in the direction of Nicaea , war fever broke out amongst the people's crusade . Foolishly , they marched out against the Turks and were promptly and tragically slaughtered . Only a few knights , rescued by a Byzantine relief force , survived .

All of the non-combatants , including women and children , were killed or enslaved . In the end , a lack of discipline and authoritative leadership doomed the people's crusade .

Alexius' daughter , anna , wrote this about the slaughter so great a multitude of Celts and Normans died by the Ishmaelite sword that when they gathered the remains of the fallen lying on every side , they heaped up I will not say a mighty ridge or hill or peak , but a mountain of considerable height and depth and width , so huge was the mass of bones .

Of those who survived , most were decapitated . According to Raymond Ibrahim , those who survived suffered an even worse fate . Of the survivors , it was written , the Turks divided up amongst themselves some of the captives whose lives they had spared , or rather reserved for a more painful death , and submitted them to dismal servitude at the hands of cruel masters .

Some were exposed in public like targets and were pierced by arrows , others were given away as gifts , while others were sold outright and taken to Khorasan and Antioch where they would endure wretched slavery under the worst masters imaginable . They underwent a torture much longer than that endured by those whose heads were severed swiftly by the sword . End quote .

Though he was largely an ineffectual commander , he contributed much by the way of his ability to recruit a very select group of noble knights from the area around Paris . Hughes' contingent left in August , per the Pope's request . When he left , hughes sent a message to Alexius no emperor , that I am the king of kings , the greatest of all beneath the heavens .

It is my will that you should meet me on my arrival and receive me with the pomp and ceremony due my noble birth . End quote . Needless to say , alexius was hardly impressed by this message . Hugh would quickly be humbled .

Setting sail , hugh's ships were all sunk , many of his men died and he was forced ashore where Byzantine officials found him quote bewildered and bedraggled . End quote . Hugh would partake of the capture of Antioch in 1098 , then retreat to France . He was then shamed by the new Pope , pascal II , and threatened with excommunication for his refusal to fight .

As a result , he went back to Palestine in 1101 and died there from wounds sustained in battle . Hugh was the brother of King Philip of France , who was ineligible for the Crusades because he had been excommunicated from the church . Hugh was encouraged to approach Philip , and Philip provided Hugh with men and money .

Due to a copyist error , hugh is known as Hugh Magnus or Hugh the Great . His title was originally meant to be Hugh Minus or Hugh the Younger . Indeed , there was nothing great about Hugh's character . He was extremely proud and arrogant , considered by most to be a completely ineffectual leader and a poor military strategist .

The only reason he was allowed to embark on the crusade in the first place was because he was wealthy and had a surplus of military soldiers . Godfrey of Bouillon , who is known as the Duke , was a much better leader and a much better man than Hugh . You can hear more about him in our latest Patreon-exclusive episode of the Day who's Fault .

Godfrey was tall , blonde and known for his exceptional piety and good character , by far the most spiritual of all the leaders from the First Crusade . The conquest of Jerusalem would have proved impossible without Godfrey . His exploits in the Holy Land were legendary . Godfrey's large army reached Constantinople in December 23rd 1096 .

Next , bohemond of Toronto was a massive Norman man who brought an elite Norman fighting force with him to Constantinople . Bohemond's arrival in Constantinople caused a considerable amount of friction . Caused a considerable amount of friction ? This was because Bohemond and his father had led a successful campaign into southern Italy , in Sicily , about a decade beforehand .

Bohemond had personally defeated Alexius Comnenus several times in battle . Needless to say , the emperor was surprised to find Bohemond and a large Norman army at his doorstep . Bohemond arrived in April of 1097 . Of Bohemond , alexius' daughter , anna , later wrote the sight of him inspired admiration , the mention of his name Terror .

His stature was such that he towered almost a full cubit , about 12 inches over the tallest man . In fact his real name was Mark , but his father had nicknamed him Bohemond after the mythical giant , because of his great size . Even as an infant , anna also wrote .

He was slender of waist , perfectly proportioned , his skin was very white , his hair was lightish brown and not so long as that of other barbarians . There was a certain charm about him , but it was somewhat dimmed by the alarm his whole person inspired . There was a hard , savage quality in his whole aspect , due , I suppose , to his great stature and his eyes .

Even his laugh sounded like a threat to others . His arrogance was everywhere manifest . He was cunning too , as the emperor would observe . Bohemond was the most experienced , talented and politically astute commander among the crusaders . Having learned his skills the hard way , bohemond , hugh and Godfrey were soon joined by Raymond of Toulouse and Duke Robert of Normandy .

They quickly reconquered the areas surrounding Constantinople for Lexius , who then promptly abandoned them . He told them that Jerusalem was of no concern to the Byzantines and the crusaders were free to retake the city if they so wished . Disgusted , the leaders of the First Crusade pushed on without the help of the Emperor .

They would refer to the Emperor as that wretched Emperor , and such hostilities would ultimately lead to the sacking of Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade . It is hard to say exactly how many Crusaders arrived in Constantinople . According to Stark , roughly 130,000 set out in 1096 , but 90,000 did not take part in the siege of Nicaea in 1097 .

That is a loss rate of roughly 35 per mile . Who died or turned back ? By the time Jerusalem was taken , perhaps as many as 115,000 or 88% of the original crusaders had been lost . The total number of those who died probably totaled about 120,000 .

Of these grave losses of life , stark writes it was not until the upper class sons of Europe were slaughtered during World War I , that Europe suffered the loss of a generation of leaders equal to that which took place during the First Crusade . Those who marched east were among the best and the brightest of their time when they died .

The responsibilities for managing many major estates and dealing with many important concerns fell upon widows and minor sons . Many important concerns fell upon widows and minor sons and on those who failed to serve , just as it did in England , france and Germany in the 1920s .

Even so , commitment to crusading remained high for many more years , as the families involved in the First Crusade continued to send their subsequent generations to defend the Holy Land . Indeed , when Europe began to sour on crusading , it appears that it was not the families who had given the most who lost heart .

Rather , it was the families who had never sent a crusader who opposed continuing to pay the taxes required to sustain the crusader . Kingdoms End quote the King's Hall podcast exists to make self-ruled men who rule well and win the world .

Oh , excuse me , dan magnus , I would rather be the great dan the great dan sid or something like that do you know ?

I just want a little Godfrey to go with my Alfred . What a name .

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The environment created in your mind that you kind of step into as you're thinking about the Crusades . What kind of frame of mind does it put you in ?

The atrocities that were committed by the Muslims towards Christian people , and then the just utter disgust that I have like bile in my mouth at the modern secularists who have then twisted it to say it was actually the christians who are invading a multicultural , peaceful islamic people , not the other way around . I mean it , it's it .

It just infuriates me , I'm upset , and so I'm also glad , though , that , uh , the christians , they , they won first crusade .

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History then will no longer unite and inspire us but depress and divide us into the children of victims and the children into the children of victims and the children of the villains of America's past . Wow , what I mean in two or three sentences I think Buchanan captures .

He wasn't talking about the Crusades , he was talking about American history , the same thing that they did to Christian American history . It's the same play . That's what they did . They turned the Muslims into the victims , and so you're the children of the victims , muslims .

And if you're Christians , if you're white , if you're European , if you're on this camp , if you're at all proud of the heritage of the Christian West and even the Christian East before that , then you are the sons of villains . What kind of world will that produce ?

There's wicked intent in this and this is why I think , as we've pushed back and we've fought and said , no , these are our heroes , these are our fathers in the faith , I think that it's inspired a lot of men in the reverse direction , sort of that white pill moment .

Brian , I want to ask you , as I've been you guys don't know this yet , but I've been Narnia maxing , oh , man I didn't notice , I didn't even notice . One of the books that I fell in love with cause it's the Marshall book is Prince Caspian , oh yes . And one of the books that I fell in love with because it's the Marshall book is Prince Caspian , oh yes .

And one of the things I noticed in there was the parallels with what we're dealing with in this season , which is that you have the old Narnia , which is , you know , hundreds of years in the past , at the point that you pick the story up and all the teachers in Miraz and basically the Turks in that story they are , they have clouded the history .

And so it's Caspian's nurse who sent away because she was teaching him the true history of a magical Narnia . Yeah , she was canceled , she was . And then , of course , you have the . It was Dr Cornelius , the professor , yeah , who is secretly teaching these things on the top of the tower to Caspian .

And so , in a sort of way , it seems like that's really the work that we're trying to do , is say , no , the old things are true , yeah , they're not evil , and we have to sort of resurrect this old Narnia . I also think it's interesting in Caspian , because the way that they win is by using the horn to call back the kings of old yes .

The way that they win is by using the horn to call back the kings of old yes , and those kings and queens of old come back and help them with the victory . So in a way , we're sort of doing that symbolically , metaphorically , but we're calling back these kings yes , to our day .

I'm here for it . Eric has gone from saying every day , like you know , brian and Eric , or Brian and Dan it's kind of like Indian need and then and then , a couple of months later , it was , you know , in good to great or in the Chicago bulls with Phil Jack , jack's Phil Jackson , and now it's like you guys .

This really reminds me of a line from Reaper cheap when he said shall I draw my sword and run them through my King Caspian ? And I think Eric has found his avatar in the person of Reepicheep .

Is it that Christians didn't fight it hard enough ? But how did it get this deep ?

I think that one of the things we've come at this from multiple angles in this season so far , and one that I really want people to understand , is the play that the enemy , the conquering enemies , will run on you , where they try to take your principles and then weaponize them against you because the Christian faith think about um Alfred the great and uh , who

was his um Guthrum right Mercy where he's got this wicked , evil enemy . And Alfred , the great part of the greatness of him was the greatness of mercy . He didn't always kill , he didn't always run through with the sword . He , he , he could forgive , he could make peace , he wasn't just a warrior , he was also a peacemaker .

And so what the enemies will do , what islam will do because it is not a religion of peace , it's actually fundamentally a religion of total conquest and enslavement . That's what it is fundamentally , in its essence , not perverted by an extremist fringe , but in its essence . That's what it is it's jihadist .

It's jihadist the struggle against all other peoples until they've been subjugated into the name of their demon God and their false prophet .

And so what they will do is they'll take the mercy of Christianity , which is true , it's a mercy , that's true as steel , and they will attempt to make it into a weaponized , fake mercy of empathy and of essentially softness , where they say you know , but you really need to reckon with some of the foibles of your ancestors . And they weren't sinless .

Now were they ? And that little crack in the door ? Because it's true , of course they weren't sinless . We're Christians . Only Christ is sinless .

Right , they will take that crack in the door and they will drive a wedge into it until they have undone , like Buchanan points out , and they've dimmed and tarnished all of the glories and they've replaced them with this . This is a thing to be repented of .

Christian greatness , christian civilization , christian rule , christian conquest , christian colonization is a thing to be repented of . Not a thing that , though it was suffused with weakness and sin , as all human endeavors are under the sun , it was fundamentally great . It was fundamentally , in its essence , a good thing , it was glorious .

So they remove all the glory and to me , I think that's the play that we have to reckon with and understand , because they're going to keep doing it . They're not going to stop with the crusades , they're not going to stop at any point . They're going to with their universal asset of cynicism and demonic worship .

They're going to dissolve all greatness of christian faith until they conquer and call , and then , of course , secular conquest or islamic conquest , oh , that's fine , any conquest , but christ conquest .

And that fundamentally reveals the reality that it really only is two sides it's it's the kingdom of darkness and it's the kingdom of light , at war , with different proxy armies and different names and faces . But that's what you're seeing .

So it's not just the crusades the crusades that happened a long time ago , yeah , but more recently you see that , with the destruction of statues to Confederate commanders and and to monuments to men of the South great godly , men of the South and you can see that they're using this weaponized empathy against Christians by making them live up to their own book of

rules . And , quite honestly , a Christian that has a good theological foundation should be able to combat this fairly easily . Like you cannot manipulate me . I know my rules better than you know my rules and in fact , you're not the law giver .

You're not the one that should decree morality on me Pink haired , lgbtq plus transgender person , I , I , I have a different rule giver , but instead , because of the degradation of the church and of the leadership of the church , it becomes much easier to manipulate people because it becomes more emotive instead of grounded in theology , or grounded in the law of God

and in the standards laid out in the scriptures and by our forefathers . Instead , now , it's just emotive principles and emotive pressure that is being put on us , because , at this point , we are ignorant of our history , we're ignorant of our theology , we're ignorant of our church fathers .

And part of what happens is that Aslan comes and the kings and queens come back , and then people start like the air changes and they start to act differently and they start to be heroic again and act courageously . But as you look at our culture , our society , what does it produce when you have no proud history or heroes ?

They know their mission , Like a honeybee knows what he has to do Some are getting pollen , some are guarding , some are tending brood Like everybody is working together .

As soon as the mission and the vision and the culture of the people is chopped off at the roots essentially the history , the fathers , the Kings , um , great men , you you have a people that , like Brian said , have lost their soul . Yeah , they , they don't exist for any purpose .

So imagine with me for a moment if you have a group of people that had a Christian foundation , that had great leaders , great fathers in the faith , great Kings and rulers and men , and they decided that they were going to cut off their past or have their past , allow their past to be cut off . What would you actually get in place of that ?

Well , you get a people that not only have lost their soul , but the result of that is that they actually hate themselves , not just their fathers , because that's what it's going to lead to ? I despise my fathers , I despise my past , I'm ashamed of it . Well , what is guilt ? Manipulation ? Leave a person feeling guilty and manipulated and horrible and shamed .

It makes you despise yourself , not just your fathers , but you despise yourself and you despise your neighbors as well , and so it leads to absolutely it's a hell .

And if that is your framework for evaluating history , it doesn't really , as Brian said , doesn't really cause you to live up with hope to the future , because you're just , it's all going to be terrible , bad , disenchanted , nobody is going to be able to actually accomplish anything great .

Right , one of the greatest men in history . I mean , I have a hard time conceptualizing . What would a man like that , planted in our time and place today , look like ? It's almost unbelievable .

And this is is the problem is that Christians in generally in America , particularly in the West more generally , have lost the will to wield political power for their own good . They think it's wrong to even do that . They think it's wrong to do that . I think it's unchristian to Saul Alinsky's . Make them play by their own rules .

Well , even get them to think that some of their rules are contrary to their actual rules . This is the problem with um thinking in America . What percentage of the Senate claims Christian faith ? I think it's over 70 . What percentage of America claims Christian faith ? I think it's over 60 or 70 .

So , right there , if Christians , just whatever cultural Christianity , every type of Christianity , catholic , all like everyone , said we're going to , we're going to wield political power for our own self-interest , they had any kind of unified culture and love for the past and a continuity with what had come before , america would be the greatest nation in the history of

the world tomorrow . It just genuinely would .

This is really functionally what we're doing is sort of like a truth war and a propaganda war . And it interests me , dan , because in we talk about critical race theory . One of the key guys who came over from Germany in the Frankfurt School was Herbert Marcuse , and what did he do so ?

Critical race theorists , you know what we now would call wokeness , all that stuff . What did he do when he first came to America ? He worked for the early CIA in propaganda and then after that he went into the university system and began teaching the new left or the left at that time which became the new left , teaching them progressive leftist tactics .

Saul Alinsky and other things would be . You would be parallel . So my question is , as you look out , we're talking about crusades . Is Islam a greater enemy right now , or is cultural propaganda by those in our own midst ?

This is going and I believe it without any qualifications or evidence and this idea is that islam is merely a sword in the hand of a globalist elite , that is , islam is used as a sword to destroy Christianity and that it's a power . It's basically a weapon , because Islam will go out and it will destroy everything in its wake . That's just what it does .

It destroys history , culture , it destroys monuments , everything . It will totally . It is what's the word . Christians argued about the destruction of icons iconoclastic , it's iconoclastic . It destroys everything everywhere . However , it doesn't rule . It doesn't do that well when it's in charge . It doesn't create great empires .

Growingly is that the left seems intent upon the globalist elite , whatever you want to call . It seems intent upon allowing in anything that will do two things secure its own power and to destroy Christian civilization . So the one theory is that Islam is not the greater threat because of that , it's just a weapon .

It's like saying , which is the greater threat , the nuclear weapon or the finger on the button that launches it ? Well , the finger on the button that launches it ? Right , the weapon is just a weapon . So I think that's . On the other hand , you could say , well , maybe it's not that direct , maybe there's aspects of that and it's more complicated than that .

The truth probably lies somewhere . You know , not quite that neat and tidy as history typically is , but there's some of that , and then there's also other forces .

So my answer at the end of the , at the end of all of that , is that the cultural propagandists , the global elite , the , the people who hate Christian civilization and want to secure their own globalist power um and steal all power and rule to themselves in a a statist , all power and rule to themselves in a statist , wicked , omnipresent empire .

I think those are the greatest enemies , and cultural propaganda and Islam are weapons in their hands .

No , because here's the thing there are really fundamentally two warring factions , not just in America or the Western history , but in the cosmos . Yes , it is the forces of demonic , satanic darkness that hates God and his image bearers and will do anything to secure its own worship and the destruction of God and his image bears .

That wears a million different faces through history . Sometimes it's the Vikings , sometimes it's the Jews , sometimes it's the Romans , sometimes it's the . You know the you go down the line . The communists , sometimes it's , and they , they have a similar playbook and they have alliances and there's all sorts of different . It's the pornographers , it's the .

You know the central bankers , it's the you .

You can look all the way through the , the fabric of the cosmos and its history , and what you will find is a cosmic war between Satanism and the living God , the Calamans , yeah , and it plays it's a great example , because the telmarines and the callermans are different people , but they're both function in the story in similar roles .

They're allies in a sense because of that . So you get strange bedfellows in the globalist elite cabal that definitely rules the entire world .

Strange bedfellows like communists and muslims , who are should be on paper diametrically opposed to one another , yeah , and yet clearly the one hand serves the other when it comes to the destruction of the christian west , for for certain .

I think it's the way that , like sort of the Chad King energy , you sort of have to just believe these things and assert them publicly and proudly . There's something about that .

We've seen movements that do that well and they're unapologetic , like we could say the same things , and we're like what if we did what typical evangelicals did and we went in the public space and we're like now , I know that there , you know , a lot of people said a lot of bad things , and now I know this is hard for you and um , but but hear me out ,

you know , here's some of the history and I think that maybe you could , you know , be won over to these points and yeah , but we don't do that .

I'm not going to go down the 9-11 conspiratorial thread that I just talking about cabals that use when I when I started reading the cold open and I was like we're really going two towers .

Why is that ethos so important ?

Is that , you see , in these tentative churches or in like big evil land , if you communicate in a way that's like , well , yeah , I know , you know . You know Robert E Lee , yeah , he's fought for the South , whatever , but hear me out , whatever , you're allowing yourself to be manipulated and actually you're inviting attack . You're inviting attack .

You're inviting attack , it's . It's almost like I don't know if , eric , you've experienced this in turkey hunting . Sometimes you get multiple turkeys that come in and you shoot one and turkey's not very smart . The one is flopping on the ground that you've just shot and the others are like they're puffed up and they start attacking the one that just got shot .

They should run away , but anyway , that's that's kind of what happens , I think , to your big Eva . Emotionally manipulated , kind of effeminate churches is that they're flopping on the ground and they're inviting attack because they're weak .

And so you need to stand on the principles of God , you need to stand confidently on the history of your fathers in the faith and you need to assert that it's important to be righteous and it's important that it has to be true . But if you're convinced that something is true , why would you not proclaim it , brown ? But probably , yeah .

Why would you , you know , ascend to the , the , to the emotional manipulation of cultural marxists , and feel bad because your forefathers were great , some of them made mistakes , great .

And so when they say you must hate for example we've talked about this in previous seasons whiteness , well , that's just a proxy war on the Christian empire . Christian West , which is a lot of European , is like a lot of european countries . It's , in america , largely white . So they're .

They're not going to say hate christians , because that wouldn't be particularly effective as the say the quiet part out loud all the time . So instead they say hate whiteness because it's oppressive and something like white boy summer .

What it's doing and not everybody gets this is that it's not actually answering one kind of partiality with a sinful partiality , because not all partiality is sinful . It's not answering one kind of sinful partiality with another .

It's not saying like , for example , therefore christians ought to hate any non-white people or white people are intrinsically better what it's saying I reject the notion that whiteness is not a positive good to be celebrated in God's world and the story he wrote and to celebrate its achievements and to preserve it as a good cultural thing , in the same way that , like

I mean , we're going to talk about Christian Spain at some point in this history and I would like to recover and promote Christian Spain and Spaniardism , spaniardness , spanishness , as a positive good in the world . That should be , that's a Donagality that should exist , right , you know .

Spanishness because Christian , spanish Christianity that reclaimed its land from Muslim conquest , has its own Donagality , and it's something that is good and glorious . And if it rose to ascendance , the left would be doing the same thing about Spanishness that they're doing about whiteness .

So , white Boy Summer , this kind of thing is basically saying not only are we not going to be ashamed , we're actually going to loudly proclaim that we are the opposite of ashamed . Not going to be ashamed , we're actually going to loudly proclaim that we are the opposite of ashamed .

We're quite pleased to be what God made us to be white Christians descended from white Christian Europeans , even though it's funny that the chief white boy summer propagandist is Mexican or whatever . He's not actually Mexican , but he's Brown for sure . He's definitely not white . You know , yeah , which is it's fun Like . People don't sometimes get zoomer humor .

Well , so they don't get what . They don't get the conversations that that's happening at all times , and they're reading it through the lens of previous eras discourse . So they're reading it through gen x and boomer discourse and they're thinking well , this actually would greatly , flagrantly violate the rules of boomer and Gen X discourse .

Yeah , and the vibe that we cultivate , even that just comes out of a friendship or friendships in the basement here , but encouraging other people to be audacious and bold and have sort of this similar it's , it's an ethos of going on the offensive and being yeah .

They are trying to end your generations . They are trying to make you be ashamed of your history . They don't want you to evangelize , they don't want you to have healthy churches , they don't want you to educate your kids , because they don't want you to do anything . They don't want you to do anything .

And so , when you look back at these great men , what do they do ? They risked everything . It was so expensive to go crusading they would definitely die , probably on the way , not even to the fight .

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Now how to Build Multigenerational Wealth Outside of Wall Street and Avoid the Coming Banking Meltdown . Go to the link in the show notes for more information . Well , the comment Stark makes about it until World War I there wasn't as great a loss of European life in leadership in the next generation that was poured out for the sake of the Crusades .

So you know we we have this . This is part of the history that we have to unearth and tell . The true story of right is that these were defensive campaigns first and foremost . Some of the stories I didn't include all of them , we'll get to some more , uh later in the episode but I mean the raping of nuns . What's going on ?

It's actually brutal to even think about that story that was told about tying them to a post and having them march around while their intestines are slowly dragged out of them . But then I think , wow , that's horrible . And then I think recently there's even a vibe shift among some of the media elites , and here's what I mean .

Dr Phil did an episode with a whistleblower from I think it was in the middle america a clinic like st louis or kansas city , where he talked to a whistleblower at a trans clinic about what they're doing to these kids and it's every bit as barbaric as tying somebody to a post and having them walk around until their guts fall out .

And I think about that and I think we have real fights to fight today . But it's important how you you come to this , dan , of like just war theory . I don't , it boggles my mind . I guess I want to ask you about this today . The church doesn't have a just war theory unless it's Israel or Ukraine . Yeah , we're not allowed to protect our own border .

We're not allowed to fight for anything . We can fight for ethno nationalism , even in Israel , ukraine . Yeah , we're not allowed to protect our own border .

Uh , is it permittable for Christians to to be violent ? That's really one of the core questions . When you're looking at the crusades is because it's easy for the pietist to say you know like , or the pacifists to say like the , the crusades universally wicked because Christians should not commit violence at all .

And so we're not in the state sphere of authority , we're in the church sphere of authority as pastors of the church of refuge church not the church , but refuge church and so we continually encounter issues that are anomalies in history because the state refuses to execute justice .

And so , likewise in these areas where you know they're castrating kids , they're pulling babies apart .

Is it not my duty to stop that ? But I also have competing duties because the state isn't doing their job in upholding God's law and justice . I now have a conflict because my duties would be neglected . I have duties to my family . I have children .

I have to provide and protect them , and so it becomes really difficult , I think , in our time and place , to have a good philosophy of Christian violence , but it still doesn't give an excuse to not have one .

So this ties into a kind of a final round of questions or question I want to ask We'll get into another story about the crusade here in a moment but you see the people's crusade and it's it's sort of like populism today . Yeah Right , the people's crusade failed .

Where the princess crusade succeeded and it seems like a lot of the reason is because the populist movements lack leadership , they lack nobility . And then you see somebody like Godfrey comes on the scene and third crusade , we'll see Richard the Lionheart .

And because of that great leadership , because of their wealth , because of their ability to recruit people from different kingdoms , they succeeded . So I want to ask you if you kind of see a parallel with populism today versus . I don't see the prince's crusade happening .

I don't see the best that I can think of is like , who are leaders who are shaking things up today ? The best I can think of is like an elon musk or a donald trump and they're like , honestly , not that great . They're definitely not godfrey or Richard .

They're not noble , they're corrupt , yeah , they're corrupt . And so what happens when you have a culture that doesn't celebrate , uh , noble , nobles , but instead you have celebrity ? You know , you have taylor swift's , you have um kanye's , you have people like this , uh , that are actually leading the , even if they don't want it .

Why is it so much more effective when you have good leaders ?

It's because you see these great movements across history and Christendom , and it is a guy with power , righteously taking the reins and not straw-pulling people , but saying this is what God's word says , this is what we're doing , and I'm not talking about pastors merely . This is what we're doing . And I'm not talking about pastors merely .

I'm talking about kings , people in the office of civil magistrate who have the power to do something , and then they go and they do it , and that's what's instituted in the land .

And I think when you look at guys like Godfrey , you look at I mean , to a lesser extent you had some other good leaders Robert of Flanders and Bohemond the Norman is a phenomenal military leader as an inspirational military figure and leader . And here's what I love about them they sort of have it all is how I would describe it .

So they have the riz , they've got the charisma . Anna Kamemnis when she's talking about Bohemond this is like the way teenage girls today talk about Ryan Gosling Times a hundred right . She's like his aura , his presence within his competence on the battlefield , his ability to lead men .

And , what's interesting , when you read a lot of the accounts of the emirs right about richard the lionheart , they called a lot of these men's sons of giants nephilim . We'll get into that in a little bit , but it's like they were heroic . This is what the , the greco-roman concept of a hero was right .

The whole point was that aeneas isn't just every other guy . It's that to create a people and found a people and to sail across seas and to do this work is it takes heroic effort .

And so I think when you have those things and you have great leaders who inspire their men around , around a vision , around a mission , and then they go and show competence , it really is the glue , it's the heartbeat of any of these movements . If there's no God-free , they never take Jerusalem .

It's the first kingdom of God , it's all the like it's the first and only kind of realm and it kind of swallows everything up instead of what I think is a more biblical and historical view of powers , where you also you do have the ecclesiastical sphere and government and it has its own very particular ends and concerns in the greatest heavenly good for the

members of the church . It operates by rules within that government with with its own keys and powers for discipline , and you could read , like chapter 30 of the Westminster Confession on Church Centures , where the churches , it discusses the powers within the government of the church , which include it's not Erastianism , it's not subservient to the state .

Within these roles it has genuine independent authority to exercise the keys of excommunication and even to counsel kings , correct , um .

but then where we're really weak right now is we try to actually um , sum up everything within that realm the church instead , instead of recognizing that there's also this other authority that is directly instituted by god and it has different concerns . And when god gives authority or when God gives responsibility , he also gives corresponding authority .

So when the civil magistrate is given the responsibility of enforcing earthly good and justice , it comes with the authority , with that responsibility in the wielding of the sword to carry out that earthly good .

When you're operating within the sphere of the polis , of the earthly good in the political realm , you can't import the rules of the ecclesiastical sphere and play by those rules in the political sphere . It doesn't work because it's not intended to work that way , all right .

And you also can't import the political rules and authority and weaponry into the governance of the church , right , it's not the same thing . So you're going to have states of affairs where nations ought to defend their borders from people and someone can't just come and say you must let me in , why ? Because I'm a Christian .

Well , no , the state doesn't operate by those same rules . It has different set of rules in a different , in a similar way , the church can't say well , you're not allowed in because you're italian and this is a polish church .

Well , no , no , the church operates by a different set of governing authority , governing principles , because of the nature of its , the nature of its being and what it rules over the .

This was labyrinthine , but the whole point I'm trying to make is that what Christians are really bad at right now is understanding a category of Christian governance where Christians wield all of the , not just don't just take up the responsibilities of rule in the sphere of the polis , but they also wield the tools and authority that God gave to kings and to rulers

and city fathers all the way up and all the way down . So Christian nationalism is really important because nations ought to actually govern for their own earthly good and self-interest .

And what's happening right now , in Saul Alinsky style , is that any Christian who's attempting to wield political power for its own self-interest is being called proud and arrogant and self-interested . And they're attempting to make the Paulist play by the rules of the church . It's that this incoherent . It results in absurdity .

Every time you try to live it out , it can't be done , which is why going back to the way that Christians govern during Christendom in the like , I say , the classical two kingdoms , with what Stephen Wolf is is talking about on this book , and you go back and you think they figured this stuff out , you have to reinvent a new 20th century version of all of

this that's probably going to be influenced by all of the errors of the 20th century and globalism anyway . And so people think that Christian nationalists are just being like really stubborn and like mule headed and annoying and they're picking fights and they're doing all this stuff .

What they're actually trying to say is Christians in all these nations where we're supposedly Christians , you need to actually wield the power of the policy that God instituted righteously , and if you don't do it , you're sinning , you're not being patient and merciful and kind and all these things . You're being a dupe . You're sinning .

You're not being patient and merciful and kind and all these things . You're being a dupe , you're getting played . You need a wheeled righteous . So to me , it's a perfect picture the Prince's Crusade versus the People's Crusade . We actually need the Prince's Crusade . We need a recovery of a theology that could allow for a Prince's Crusade .

Yeah , the state of affairs that would , because right now we don't even have the state of affairs where a princess crusade could happen . We're three steps prior to that , which is why talking about like , oh yeah , let's form a militia , brother , and let's go do all this . It's actually not going to be helpful .

It's not going to be helpful because populism by itself is is just going to lead to warlordism and all kinds of other problems and probably be destroyed by the , the globalist state anyway , you know , 50 years before they ever get to that , what we need is to labor for the conditions in the political realm of the nation where we could have Christian princes yeah ,

christian rulers .

And the priest comes to him , who's with him and is like 200 ship armada and he says you know this , there's too many of them , this is foolish . And and Richard tells him , he says , priest , mind your books and your prayers , I will do the fighting , which is the correct response . And then he went and he captures Cyprus Again .

This is your one little spoiler for this episode . But Isaac said I will surrender if you promise not to put me in iron chains . And he said fine , I won't put you in iron chains . So he has his smithy work up some silver chains .

I really like your , uh , brian , your point about militias , because the instinct is going to be no , the instinct is going to be well , the state's not doing their job , they are sinning , they are allowing rampant , wickedness and harming my people , and so my job , then , is to become the state is to do this what the state's not doing .

Yeah , and there may be a time for that in the future , but it's definitely not now . I don't think it's now . And so having a militia , what ? What will that actually accomplish ?

I mean , I think we have rights laid out in the constitution for a well-organized militia depending on what you think that means , but I think it has to be organized by a state in order to be considered a true militia .

No , I don't think so um , and there's lots of reasons in our area too is because we're two percent .

But elon musk uh , somebody with power and money bought twitter , which is now x , and because of that , many , many people on the right now have a voice . That voice gets through to people .

I mean , guys , we were talking about this , uh , recently , but the number of people that we've talked to in high places , who listen to one of our shows , is actually quite remarkable . So I see a lot of the work that we're doing . Is this ?

Counter propaganda is important , because it's mustard seeds that are planted in the hearts of men who maybe it's a William Wolfe who is one day going to rule in Washington , maybe it's other guys in similar type locations . When I hear of like senators , us senators are like oh yeah , I've heard your podcast and you're like wait , what You're like you've heard ?

Wait , say that again . Say that again .

You find susan's horn , blow it . Have you seen ? You recall ?

Well , dan , you shouldn't have laughed at that , because you made me laugh , you sullied my serious point .

Even today I have times where I go out in public and you know you kind of dance around conversation when you're among normies and um , you know , recently in public with my sons , teenagers , and somebody asked them they're like , oh , are you in high school ? And they're like , yeah , kind of . They're like , oh , do you ? You know , do you ?

Do you go to ogden high school ? They're like , oh , are you in high school ? And they're like , yeah , kind of . They're like , oh , do you go to Ogden High School ? And they're like , no , we go to St Brennan's Classical Christian Academy . They're like , oh , that sounds interesting . And they're like , yeah , do you want to hear about the Crusades ?

And they are just unashamed and I think what we have to do a generation of john the baptist who everybody thinks is weird and they don't care .

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