At its pinnacle , the British Empire was so vast it was the empire on which the sun never sets . It encompassed as much as one quarter of the earth . But 1,000 years before her height , the blazing inferno of power was merely a smoldering candle on the precipice of being extinguished .
The late 700 AD British Isles were a collective of nine minor kingdoms , closer to warring tribes than to true nations . These kingdoms were Christian due to the missionary efforts of men like St Patrick , st David and , ultimately , a Pope-sanctioned mission from St Augustine in 597 AD . Just to the east , a pagan storm was growing .
The Northmen , danes or Vikings , through overpopulation or more than likely due to a global cooling and difficulty with growing crops and cooler weather , sent their first raiding party to the ripe British Isles . The first major Viking raid landed on a small island off the coast called Lindisfarne .
Dr Ben Merkle says that Lindisfarne was probably chosen as a target , since churches and monastic communities offered the prospect of great wealth with very little protection . In the following years , monasteries throughout Britain and Ireland would fall prey to the Viking raids .
The Vikings came from the sea , arriving in a handful of their longboats with little or no warning of their approach . Their shallow-drafted ships were beached on the shore of Holy Island and then pulled far enough up the shore to be safe from the tide for several hours . The monks merely , puzzled for the moment , watched from within the walls of the monastery .
Then , once the ships were secured , the Vikings turned to the monastery . It is unlikely that they met any resistance as they approached no barrage of arrows and spears , no shield wall , not even an armed guard .
After gaining an easy entrance , the raiding party plundered the monastery of whatever portable wealth could be found , hacking to pieces whatever feeble resistance the monks may have made . Gold , silver and jewels were seized and hauled back to the beached longboats , as well as any captives who might be sold on the slave market .
They struck swiftly and ruthlessly and then they quickly fled before any counterattack from a neighboring village could be mounted" . This attack was a taste of what would come from the Viking invaders . It was merely a first small raid of a scouting party to test defenses and gauge the wealth of this land .
To the Anglo-Saxon people of the British Isles it was a new threat , but one has to ask was it only a threat from a hungry pagan tribe or was it more ? Could this be a sign of God's judgment ? In answer , an Anglo-Saxon historian offered his observation . In the year 793 , terrible portents came over the land of Northumbria and miserably afflicted the people .
There were massive world winds and lightnings , and fiery dragons were seen flying in the air . Immediately after these things , there came a terrible famine . And then , a little after that , six days before the Ides of January , a harrowing of heathen men miserably devastated the Church of God on Lindisfarne by plunder and slaughter .
This raid at Lindisfarne became a wave of attacks from the pagan Northmen . They targeted monastery communities , bathing the walls of these holy places in the blood of priests in their brutal attacks and plundered all silver and gold , as well as people for the slave trade . They had no regard for the Christian churches or their sacred items .
Modern scholars confidently declare that the Vikings were opportunists , which proved to be true , but that the targeting of monasteries was merely because of their poor defenses and the wealth they contained . What was there more to the invasion than mere opportunism ? Was the targeting of these Christian places of worship a coincidence ?
Alkew and a former clergyman from York and a leading scholar in Charlemagne's court , wrote the following For nearly 350 years we and our fathers have dwelt in this most beautiful land , and never before has such a terror appeared in Britain , such as the one that we are suffering from this pagan nation . Or was it thought that a ship would attempt such a thing ?
Behold the church of Saint Cuthbert , splattered with the blood of the priests , plundered all of its treasures , a place more venerable than anywhere in Britain is given over to pagan nations for pillaging .
The heritage of the Lord has been given over to a people who are not his own and where the praise of the Lord once was , now is only the games of the pagans . The holy feast has been turned into lament . Carefully consider brothers and diligently note lest this extraordinary and unheard of evil might be somehow merited by the habit of some unspoken wickedness .
I am not saying that the sin of fornication never appeared before among the people , but since the days of King Elfwood , fornications , adulteries and incest have inundated the land , such that these sins have been perpetrated without any shame , even against nuns who have been dedicated to God .
What can I say about greed , robbery and perverted judgments when it is clearer than day how much these crimes have flourished everywhere , and it is witnessed by a plundered people" ? Alcuin continues in a second letter to Higbald , the Bishop of the Plundered Linden's Farn .
In his correspondence he sternly admonished the Christians of Linden's Farn that a disaster of this magnitude must be answered first and foremost with repentance , lest further catastrophe follow . He wrote what confidence can there be for the churches of Britain if St Cuthbert , with such a great number of saints , does not defend his own ?
Whether this is the beginning of some much greater anguish or the sins of the inhabitants have demanded this . Clearly it has not happened by chance , but it is a sign that this was well deserved by someone . If there is anything that must be set right in your grace's behavior , correct it swiftly . Perhaps it was too late for the people to turn back .
God is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love . But maybe the people of the British Isles had stored up too much unrepentant sin for too long . Maybe the long fuse had smoldered all the way down . Whatever the reason , god's judgment through the pagan Viking instrument had begun .
After 72 years of intermittent Viking raids , there was a sense of terror and constant anxiety that had spread among the Anglo-Saxon peoples . Another Viking attack came though . Unlike the raiding parties that had sailed to the island before , this time it wasn't merely a raiding party , it was a full-fledged army At 5,000 strong .
The Viking army marched into the Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Northumbria and launched a surprise attack on November 1 , all Saints Day . It was not by accident the Vikings attacked on this holiday . They knew the Northumbrian capital city of York would be filled to max capacity , making troop movements difficult .
There was also the benefit that the Northumbrian noblemen would be in attendance , with their wealth on full display . The Vikings quickly took the unprepared city . A few months later the Northumbrians attempted to retake the city . The initial attack went well for their army .
It appeared initially that the Vikings were caught unprepared or they were unfamiliar with the tactics of defending a walled city . The Northumbrian army breached the walls and , to their surprise , entered a quiet city . They navigated the narrow city streets looking for signs of their Norse enemy . Suddenly they were ambushed both inside and outside the city walls .
The Anglo-Saxon king Ayle was captured . The Viking lords made an example of the king by sacrificing him to their god Odin . The monstrous ritual sacrifice was called the Blood Eagle . The king was held face down in the mud and manure-covered cobblestone streets . An axe was used to chop his ribs on both sides of his spine .
The murderous shouts of the bloodthirsty Norsemen echoed around the city as the king's ribs were pulled apart and his still-inflating lungs were grappled from his body . As his gurgling last gasps of life were pulled from him , the Viking army moved south , with their eyes set on the kingdom of Wessex .
They soon met King Ethred and his young brother Alfred on the battlefield . In a valiant fight , the Vikings overwhelmed the Wessex army . The king and his brother quickly retreated to Ashton .
The monumental battle of Ashton is among the greatest battles in the history of the west , not because of its size , but because it gave us one of the greatest kings in history . The kingdom of Wessex was facing annihilation . After their recent loss to the Viking army , the Wessex battle plans had formed between Ethelred and Alfred .
They would divide their forces and immediately attack the Viking army . The Vikings had the high ground on a now-famous hill . It goes by many names , but it is most commonly known as Whitehorse Hill . This hill is an anomaly in the area , being the tallest point .
One other hill of significance nearby is known as Dragon Hill , where legend says St George slew his dragon . The hill was the dragon's burial mound . On the slopes of Whitehorse Hill there stood a lone thorn tree that became a tree of both measure of success and of remembrance for the soldiers who valiantly fought that day .
The Vikings , having the superior position and superior forces , observed Alfred leading his forces into position . The Viking warriors , in a terrifying battle array , viciously mocked the Saxon army . Dr Benjamin Merkel describes the nature of Viking mockery in his book the Whitehorse King . The Viking taunt was studied and oft-practiced literary genre among the Danish warriors .
The subject matter of this mockery moved from general observation about the cowardice of the opponent and how his corpse would soon be fed to birds to more personal speculations about the various women folk waiting behind in the Wessex villages , and usually culminated in the accusation that the men of Wessex actually lacked any natural affections for women in the first
place . The Danish warriors did not show a hint of fear against this enemy they had defeated merely four days before . Viking soldiers , by Danish law , were equipped with shields , spears and axes , with the wealthiest carrying ornate swords .
Alfred assembled his men below an army that appeared more akin to a pack of bloodthirsty wolves than that of ordinary mortal men who met their deaths in terrible battle . Alfred looked around with confusion and perhaps some inward fear as he realized his brother , king Ethelred , was not in his position to do battle .
With this realization , alfred was left with two choices First , retreat and have the Vikings chase them down from behind to be relentlessly harassed and killed in the ensuing and disorganized route . This would both decimate the Saxon military and its morale . The second option was to stand and fight .
Alfred determined that if this was their last stand , they should do it with their shields up rather than their shields left behind , strewn on the ground . In retreat , alfred , embracing the bloodlust of battle like a wild boar , screamed the order in the Viking chaos to assemble the shield wall .
The Vikings , faced with a much smaller army than expected , swaggered confidently as they assembled and advanced their attack down the Whitehorse Hill . As they had known the history of this hill , they may have had more humility . The hill received its name from the white rock that was etched into the top of the hill in the shape of a horse in full gallop .
This hill sits adjacent to Dragon Hill , where St George killed a large fire-breathing dragon in an unlikely victory . The top of Dragon Hill has a bear patch where nothing grows , almost as if the very poison of the dragon prevents anything living from taking root . Alfred had his own dragon in modern-day Uffington to kill , and the battle looked equally difficult .
The hopes of a victory on the scales of St George was their only hope . A victory here would prevent the roots of the Viking people from sinking into the lands of Wessex . The Wessex men , reflecting the confidence of their leader , alfred , assembled the shield wall . Dr Ben Merkle says the following about the shield wall battle tactic .
Even as early as the time of Alfred , the shield wall was already considered an ancient tactic harkening all the way back to the ancient Greek hoplites of the 7th century BC . It consisted simply of a line of men standing shoulder to shoulder with their shields overlapping one another , forming a continuous wall of protection .
This line of shields was supported by a depth of approximately 10 ranks of additional soldiers positioned behind the front line , leaning into the front rake to allow them to hold their ground and stay locked together .
Not unlike a rugby scrum , this tight formation had the potential to be virtually impenetrable , provided that the courage and endurance of the soldiers held . The Anglo-Saxon culture demanded that a leader was in fact leading and not directing without risk of harm . Alfred was a leader down to his bones .
He had not only assembled the shield wall but joined at the front . Battle commands and troop movements could not be directed over the cacophony of battle . As long as the men along the shield wall saw their leader fighting , they kept fighting . As soon as their leader fled , they fled . The deep ranks of men were grist for the shield wall mill .
The shield wall would grind in battle as shield pushed against shield spears , prodding to find flesh in the small gaps created by the pushing men In the shield wall . The spears , not the sorter axe , was the most formidable weapon . Spears were better at snaking through the wall , whereas slashing weapons became a hindrance due to this brute force-shoving match .
As dangerous as a spear was to the shield wall , the danger of cowardice was much greater . Many men could fall to the wounds of a spear without danger to the morale of the men In battle . Men are wounded and killed in the fight To a point .
Seeing a brother in arms take wounds in the glory of battle acts as spurs in the side of a warhorse , feeding the battle lust and the fervor of battle . However , if there are cowards in the shield wall , then the entire army is at risk . One man fleeing was worse than many men being killed or wounded .
A single coward seen running for his life was at risk of taking the heart of the entire army from them . As a result , such a man fleeing would cause a cataclysmic collapse of the shield wall and the repercussions would be a decimation of that army . As soon as men began to flee , there would be no protection .
The army would be routed from behind as they were run down Because and swords finally free to swing at the backs of retreating men , one coward could lose an entire battle . That day on Whitehorse Hill , the Norsemen did not encounter a coward . They encountered a wild boar of a man . Alfred , leading from the front , pushed with his men .
The much smaller army , taking courage from their leader , pushed the enemy back up the hill . The Vikings had underestimated the leader of this small band of men . In spite of their fervor , the Wessex men began to take losses from the ferocious spears and axes of the Viking warriors .
When a man was injured or killed in the wall , it was vital that the man behind him filled the gap . Any hesitation would give the enemy a breach that they would fill with dangerous warriors . The breach would cause the strength of the wall to become a weakness in the battle formation . The men of Wessex filled the gaps without hesitation .
The next man , knowing his duty , filled the gaps . The battle had reached the precipice . One side had to give because of exhaustion from the grueling battle of shield-to-shield pushing . The men of Wessex had thought their pagan enemies were invincible .
The resignation of glorious death was suddenly replaced with shock as the Viking lines disintegrated , the massive Norse shields were replaced with the backs of the fleeing men . At long last , king Athelred had arrived at the battle .
Until then , the Vikings assumed they were fighting the entirety of the Wessex army , then the king , with the other half of the army charged into their flank . The route was on and the Norsemen were slaughtered in their retreat . The Kings Hall Podcast exists to make self-ruled men who rule well and win the world .
Well , gentlemen , welcome to this episode of the Kings Hall Podcast . I'm one of your hosts . I'm Eric Kahn , joined by Pastor Brian Frenchman-Sovet . That's actually not my middle name .
I think I just changed it . It's pronounced Charlemagne Brian .
Charlemagne . If that's okay , I mean I'll accept that . Thank you , Eric . We're also joined by Mr Dan Burkholder . This is going to be a tough episode for you , knowing that your people were utterly slaughtered in different ways .
I mean those cowards , those cowards . If only that was the last battle , though it wasn't .
There's a lot more battles . Yes , gentlemen , we've been gearing up for this one .
I'm just kidding , I'm not pro Norse paganism .
Your people did a lot more raping for that yeah , hey , I'm pro that .
They actually converted to Christianity . They did convert . That is a verun Unfought in the crusades , so it was sort of like convert or die .
Gentlemen , this episode in particular I think we've been talking about Alfred . This is one of the episodes where I think for us maybe kind of reading Alfred Ben Merkel talking to him in a sense sort of inspired the whole season . There's just something about Alfred and this guy in particular , dan , that is inspiring .
I think part of it is we'll get into in this episode . It's sort of the typical underdog story . He's the guy with his back against the wall , all that good stuff , but just excitement level on this one . Obviously you did a lot of the work for this episode .
No , it's very high . Well , I didn't name my son after Alfred , so that's that's Brian Sauvay over there .
Pour one out for King and not just Alfred , alfred Kingsley , alfred Kingsley . I just want to make sure everybody , like nobody , misunderstands it is it's like when Aslan is like the talking lion is Jesus right . I want people to be like this man . This man , this king was named after the great .
There's no mistaking we actually had two children in the church after all of our Alfred talk .
So we had two alphards . We had two alphards .
What an amazing , amazing name . Gentlemen . The other thing that's interesting about this episode as we talk about excitement , you know , you think about crusaders . They all have to have armor .
I was thinking about we received the body armor from Premier Body Armor , one of our sponsors , and I don't know if we've talked to them yet about this , but maybe the official sponsor of the next crusade .
I don't know how they'll feel about that . It's a marketing opportunity , eric , but yeah , certainly it would help . I mean , come on .
Certainly .
You could go back in time to one battle , you know , with a , with a Maud Deuce 50 caliber and full plate carriers . Which one would you choose ? Obviously not this one , because the good guys got the dub , but it would definitely help .
Yeah , it's important battle . Speaking of important battles and important content , dan , we also have we want to let our listeners know the Deuce Vault , which is the Patreon exclusive show . Recently , we published an episode on Christopher Columbus . Was he the last crusader ? Was he Dan ?
I don't know , we'll see what happens . You got to listen to the episode , that's right . That was a masterful tease . Yes .
That was a masterful tease guys , one of the other things we'll be talking about in this episode . We're going to be talking about Alfred , but not everything . It's actually quite a lot to cover about Alfred , so upcoming episodes of the Deuce Vault .
We're also going to be talking about a very important principle , really the theme for the next conference here , june 6th through 8th in Ogden , utah , but Alfred's boroughs .
This is pivotal for understanding Christendom and kind of bringing a lot of concepts that we take for granted educational reforms , those sorts of things I think will be really important as we continue in the season .
Yeah , those kinds of communities are highly applicable the principles of them to thinking through life in semi-hostile territory today and figuring out both defense depth and all of the constituent parts of a community that's not just durable and can withstand attack but is also worth preserving from attack , because those aren't the same thing .
I mean , you could have a community that exists , but what is it making ? What is it producing ? And I think Alfred got that . Yeah , absolutely the culture needed to be there , at the center , from the church and the people on out .
Yeah , well , sort of the Lord of the Rings , loving what's behind you , loving your culture more than hating the enemy , that sort of thing and really having both in place . Brian , I want to start with you as well , because we look at this episode . As I said before , everybody loves this . Come from behind Hail Mary Underdog Story .
I know you're following the Super Bowl when you have the last man drafted playing quarterback in the Super Bowl for the New York Knicks . Follow me now .
I genuinely have never heard of this until this moment . You could have put me on like who wants to be a millionaire ? A million-dollar question , you're gonna be a phone-offender . You're gonna walk me through this because I have no idea what you're talking about .
But yeah , you can definitely identify . Maybe not with Brock Purdy , since you don't know who that is . But with the underdog , the guy who is an unlikely hero , and we have Alfred in this situation . But I just want to ask you what do you think about ? You know the human psyche that resonates with that particular type of story . Why do we ?
You know , I think it's certainly something that God loves .
God loves this story because he uses it so often in history to demonstrate his own glory that he'll often raise up a single courageous man to , who is not even the one who you would think would be the guy right , he's not the firstborn , or he's not the strongest , or he's you know , he's the line up , all of the sons of Jesse , and he's the one who they
forgot about because he's so unlikely . Well , we got this . Like , if God doesn't want any of these guys , we got this other kid . He's like out there shepherding the sheep . Or or Gideon , who's , you know , at first doesn't seem like he , until the spirit of God comes as courageous .
I do think , when you get this mixture of the judgment of God coming on his people , the chastening discipline of God , that in the midst of that , this is just a storyline that he has woven into so many of his stories .
Ultimately , I think because the master hero tale just is an echo from the story of the gospel , where the God man faces down all of the hordes of death and hell and sin by himself and he conquers by dying right , he goes out and he , and then he chooses 12 like undereducated , mainly blue collar guys , along with some enemies of state and enemies of the very
people of God , the tax collector , and he's like okay , now you know , I've , I've won the principal victory . Now you guys go out and here's your mission Just take over the whole world , that's it . Just baptize all the nations , teach everybody to do everything I said . And they're like all right , we got this .
So I think there's something , because God wove that story into the fabric of the world . I think he also wove that story into the fabric of the human soul .
And then the last piece for me is to see , is to notice , to get all of that , which I think most of our listeners they get that but then to see that God didn't stop telling stories in 32 or 33 AD . God is still telling that story . God is still sovereign over history .
God is still the one who's orchestrating armies of Norsemen and the beleaguered , the beleaguered forces , I guess of God's people you could say they're like he's still telling that story and he didn't even stop then . He's still telling that story today .
Yeah , I think it's amazing . It reminds me of the GK Chesterton quote . He says this the one perfectly divine thing , the one glimpse of God's paradise given on earth , is to fight a losing battle and not lose it .
Yeah .
Again capturing , really I think what you were talking about , dan , your thoughts on that .
Well , I think , I think the story really resonates with Brian , especially because you see David and Alfred , king David and King Alfred , both youngest sons Alfred , I mean , he had all of his brothers were killed in front of him . He was unlikely to become King .
Kind of sickly .
Yeah , he was kind of sickly , but he was a youngest son and I think it just shows to Brian that the youngest sons they don't have to be petrulent , spoiled .
No , they can be Perhaps .
They could be kings .
It's possible , they can truly rise up and above their station and glory above their station Absolutely Well often . You know this is funny that you mentioned that , dan , because it's a young son . The youngest son in British estates , often because of the inheritance of the first born youngest sons . They didn't have an inheritance .
Often that was of much note , even among Lord Lee and noble houses , so youngest sons would often be the ones who would go out and they'd be like well , there's nothing here , I'm going to the , I'm going to the India . I'm going to India like the colony there .
It's like a young line leaving the pride to go make it on his own .
I'm going to go like when glory myself , and then they come back and they're like , oh , you know how are you doing , older brother here holding down the , the fort you know , of the estate that you got to inherit . I bet you've been going on a lot of Foxons .
Well , I started an extremely profitable sugar plantation and now I am a lord of Jamaica , or you know something like . So hey , is not in Africa , by the way whatever Look , look . I want to go . I went to public school , the other day Lexi asked me where is New England , brian ? And I was like is that a city ?
My word , the , city of New England , I'm like .
I know it's somewhere . It has something to do with Tom Brady . You know there's , you know some it's in America . That's impressive . Yeah Well , also it's , you know , east of us . So I was pretty .
Brian arrives in Calcutta and he's like hey man . I told somebody that jerk chicken man . And instead they're like .
Would you like the Doritos Locostaco from my 7-eleven ? Oh well having won the hearts and minds of all of America with those impersonations .
We are in the basement , but it doesn't stay in the basement . You speak like that . That's true .
It's important to remember that thousands of people will likely listen to this .
It's actually amazing to me how serious and moving this show can be and get derailed so quickly by Quickie Mart jokes .
And usually ethnic impersonations , or what does it Well ?
those are the best .
Maka day , maka day . I haven't done Ojiway in a long time .
We haven't done that in a long time . Dan , one of the things that I want to move on to now is we think about the shield wall . I'm thinking back to last year's conference in particular . We had Mr Nate Fisher from New Founding was here and he was talking about the capital of courageous leadership .
This is the most important kind of leadership right now in our day , but I think there's a connection here with Alfred and his courage in the shield wall . So first of all , I guess , walk me through this . Why is that so important ? But especially for Alfred in this time , this particular time is demanding .
It's almost a moment like nobody would really want that position .
Yeah , it actually mirrors a lot of what's going on , I think , culturally today . The reason that men right now are looking for courage instead of titles that's really historically what you've seen in recent history is you look for honorifics , titles , credentials , things like that .
This was part of Nate Fisher's talk at our last conference Is that credentialism is dying Because people realize we're not in a neutral world , positive world , where these men have been raised in institutions that actually create leaders and they have some sort of capital with some honorific on the end of their name .
And so now we have a time where , essentially , we're outnumbered and we've been betrayed so many times by these credentialed men that the real test of true leadership are the men that are going to say assemble the shield wall , we don't retreat , we don't run from this fight . Half of the army didn't show up .
Which we see more and more in modern American Christianity is that you are betrayed by those whom you often venerated as heroes of the faith . They will stab you in the back and they will take half the army from you , and so you are looking for men that will actually lead from the front .
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Well , and I think too , if you look at our day and you know obviously sort of fast forward , but you look at guys like maybe like a dusty , diverse , I think , like in our circles , this is why it's such , I guess , just an encouragement .
It sort of draws men to himself because , brian , in the midst of what we've seen in the evangelical world , we haven't seen a lot of courage like this . We haven't seen a guy say this is God's word , I'm not apologizing , let's go .
I like think about where this happens as well , what kind of marketplaces and where the stands have to happen . A lot of the time , right now , they're in the realm of words .
Where are you willing to say the thing that you know has just instantly lost you all possibility of patronage from the elites , from the in group of the world , from their inner ring , when increasingly , in the evangelical world , that's who they're signaling to for support , the Russell Moore's of the world , and in our world we tend to think like those people's name
is mud in our kind of circles .
But a lot of the time we forget how insulated we are and how small we are in the broader world , that there are still massive political tokens , financial tokens , to be gained from being a trader , like Dan said , from being the guy that you're actually , instead of fighting courageously , not only are you not doing that , you're actively warring against your own
people . There's still a lot of power and prestige and seats at important quote , unquote tables to be had by doing that .
And so today , like you think , dusty D , versus a great example where it doesn't matter tomorrow if the nine I think he has like nine bills that he's proposed or something like that that cover everything from pornography and sexting to no fault divorce to the currency and abortion , things like that .
It almost doesn't matter right now whether any of those bills succeed .
What we need are 100 , 1000 , 10,000 men who are willing to fight what right now look like certainly losing battles , like Alfred standing there and saying look , even if we , even if we get killed to the last man , we're going to be slain standing here on this hill with our shields in front of us . We're going to draw the fire of the enemy .
We're not going to flee , we're not going to try to barter and give them a little more ground and a little more ground and a little more ground and hold them off . We're just going to stand and we're going to fight . We're going to take their scorn .
That's the shield wall today , and cowards in that wall , cowards and turncoats , are the most dangerous thing to face us right now . Yeah , that's what's going to ask you in the case .
It fascinates me that the coward is actually more lethal to the army than somebody dying .
Yeah , I mean look at when you look at Akin and his family . Having sin and cowardice in the camp is always deadly . It's always turns out to be deadly for the people of God . So it's like one of the ways that we need to weigh leadership today and weigh the quality of leadership and who to follow . Is that kind of calculus ?
How much energy is spent in flinging arrows into your people ? How much time and energy is spent in the turf war ?
Well , it does interest me because there was another video I think Sam Holden put out . It was old sermon dubbed over it from Greg Bonson . So this is old , but one of the things Greg says in there that I find so fascinating .
He said you know , back in the day , westminster Seminary , they rally their forces and they write their papers and what are they attacking ? They're not attacking the rot in the culture . They're not going after abortion , none of it . They're going after the big problem of the day , then theonomy .
And today you can probably see the same thing with , like , you know what we really need to attack Christian nationalism . Yeah , so Greg says in that video . He says you're attacking theonomy and we live in a country where you have to lock your doors and you're not safe in your home and you think that's the problem and that's the thing .
So I think , part of it is just recognizing Dan , like who is the enemy ? Who do we actually need to display courage ? I think so often what we see in our leadership is they're trying to virtue signal to the left . See , I'm a good guy and , as Brian said , you end up attacking your own people .
But part of the courage is saying who's the real enemy and will I take the stand that costs me . I think that's what interests me about Alfred here is that , in some ways , like you got to be standing there thinking like I'm probably going to die , oh yeah .
I mean , it's easy for us , looking back , to go . Well , he won . Of course , the courage was the right thing to do . But he's looking where is half my army Like ? Where is everybody ? And these insane rapey mad fight to the death brawler ? They're right , vastly outnumbering us Gay viking . He's thinking I'm about to be this is bad .
These remind me of the Saracens . This is terrible , dan , one of the things I want to ask you . There's something about great man I think it's Stonewall Jackson . The thing about Alfred . Alfred is described as a wild boar . Something about battle transformed these men , seemingly ordinary men that you might not have looked to , yet .
When the fighting starts , there's a certain kind of guy who proves out . What is it about that ? It's manly courage . It's a number of things , but what is it about that quality in a leader that is so important ?
Yeah , I think it's actually an intangible to a degree , but there is something universal about all these men that you had mentioned , especially a guy like Stonewall Jackson . Here's a guy who was not very popular , you know , as a teacher or a professor .
His students didn't particularly care for him too much , but for some reason , on the battlefield , what he did was he won their hearts to courage . That's really what it was , is he was able to win their hearts to courage , and it was more than just mere words . It was because he was at the front too .
He had proven out that no , I'm willing to take shots here , I'm willing to be fired at , I'm willing to be on the front line .
He was actually risking something .
That's right and that's what Alfred did as well . That's why this story is particularly inspiring to me is because you actually see , this was an expectation in the Anglo-Saxon culture is that the leaders had to lead from the front .
He was in the middle , in the front of the shield wall , and the men to his right and to his left were his lords , that he had given gifts to , and they had given him their vows that they would stand in battle , and the men were inspired by that .
Yeah , brian . I want to ask you as well when you look at our situation today , do you think we have cowards in the shield wall and , if so , specifically where do you see this happening ?
Well , one way that we know for sure we have cowards in the shield wall . Is that any of us here in Ogden at all ? Because we have ? One of the astonishing things about Ogden , utah , is that we have zero theological degrees period , zero institutional help . Nobody from X-29 or some big organization was like hey , follow these guys .
They've really , you know , they've gone through , you know our whole process . We've , you know , they've kissed the right rings . And now here they are and people listen to this podcast and change their entire lives .
That could have been more offensive than your Indian 7-11 joke .
Nobody , by the way , it is true , though it's like not gatekeeper approved .
Yeah Well , and why it's ? It's actually funny to me . It's because you know over and over what did we have to do . We had to just notice something fight a big battle in our own midst first , like in our own . Okay , we think this is true .
We're going to stand here and we're just going to say the true thing and most of the time it's like not in the most sophisticated again , we can't appeal to degrees , it's it's not like this high learned . For the most part we've just kind of figured this thing out as we go , and I'm not trying to toot around horns .
I'm saying that this is a pattern generally right now in the Christian landscape .
Is that because one of the reasons credentialism is dying is because all of those processes to appoint the voices , the people you should listen to , ultimately what they produced were cowards who gave way at exactly the point of the enemy's attack , over and over and over again , until they had given away all of the institutional power that good Christian men , for a
century plus , had built . So they gave all of that away . And now people are looking around and what are they actually looking for ? First off ? And the thing they're looking for is simply courage at the points of attack . Courage on issues like feminism , courage on issues like race and racism and DEI and all of these equity , inclusivity things .
Courage in the front of a million different issues where the leaders have given way . So I know that there are cowards in the shield wall today , partly because we even exist , right .
Yeah , I think that's . That's really true . Obviously , you could think of people like the Gospel Coalition , the Russell Moors of the world , David French's , people like this , Dan . What else , I guess , comes to your mind when you think of cowards in the shield wall ? Where do you see it ?
Well , yeah , just piggybacking off of Brian's point that the mere credentialism isn't enough because it's lost credibility because of the production of cowards . But the thing that I think is easily missed is that that's actually the aim .
Yeah , that's what they're trying to do . So it was actually the aim was to produce cowards .
And so you see , in this battle at Ashton , which honestly was a small battle , it was like . I'm surprised it's even made it into the footnotes of history there's very little recorded on an Alfred , but what you really see is a good image of what we have today . So you have these Vikings that had fully embraced their sexual immorality .
They'd embraced slavery , human sacrifice , and you see similar things today . But because there were no cowards in Alfred's army , they were able to stand and fight from this pagan onslaught . But today we have cowards in the shield wall who are not fighting . Not only are they not fighting , but they encourage others to not fight .
They're actually actively leading in their cowardice to cause Christians to retreat to cause the route to happen , and you see this , with institutions and churches falling .
Usually attacking people who do fight . That's right , exactly .
The sin and it proves your point , dan , that what they're trying to create is cowardice Is that the one sin that the elites will go the hardest against is fighting , and it's fighting the thing that is not regime approved .
You are not allowed to notice that , you are not allowed to fight that , you're not allowed to name that , you're not allowed to write on that , you're not allowed to podcast on that , you need to hush-hush .
This is when backroom conversations happen , when text messages are sent and phone calls happen behind the scenes and say , hey , hey , hey , you can talk about anything , but you can't talk about that . You got to quiet down about that . Those are where you start to see the cowardice .
Well , and I think people are retreating precisely at the well , it's like no , no , no , the Norsemen are there . Like we got to talk about that , we got to go attack there and there .
if you start to rally people , it seems like you've got problems in your own camp . Let's let the Norse worry about themselves .
Exactly .
It's like as soon as you start rallying people and there becomes a momentum towards this , you will see 50 different strategies unfold to attempt to geld that force , to say you better not march over there , and what you're often finding are the places where the levers of power from the pagan world have effectively been stabbed into the church and they're pulling hard
and you're sitting and it's like , but that right , there is actually , when you know you need to go , run full tilt , You're like , oh , they , they , if they want us to stop here , it's like full send . You know , that's that's when you go shield , wall up , boys , let's , let's go . And a lot of the time in our world it's so funny , it's , it's .
It's not funny , but right now the world is the battle is over ideas and it's , it's , it's meme warfare , right , but the thing is it doesn't end there If you lose the battle of ideas . The next kind of warfare is is back to Alfred and the Norsemen . It's back to , oh , they're actually enslaving and killing and , you know , destroying whole civilizations .
Yeah , it's interesting because I was thinking of Michael Walsh's book Last Stands , and it's a concept you find in Churchill , but also Michael Walsh catalogs in Western civilization . All these times in which Western peoples fought to the death , including the Spartans . That would be like one of the greatest examples of 300 .
We can think even of like Gideon's 300 , but it's interesting because they say and now Alfred , who clearly knew his history , if a people will fight to the death , they usually come back . If they surrender and are defeated , they're done forever , it's over . And so I think , just on issues like post millennialism , patriarchy , I get it .
The culture hates you , the culture's telling you these things are never going to take root again , you're never coming back from the grave . And I think to have this mentality among our people where it's like give me 300 good men and we'll die for it , and you even think about the Spartans . They stopped the Persian invasion .
There would be no Western civilization without 300 good men defending the gap , and so I think that's what we have to do . The other thing I would say about Alfred I love this picture of when you read the account of Ashton . It's simply to him a matter of duty . He says my brother's not here .
This is my duty , and he immediately goes to the front and he knows what a king is supposed to do and he starts fighting . There's actually not a lot of drama in the moment in terms of him like hand wringing . I need to say a prayer to God . I don't know what to do . He knows he has to champion the men . He goes and he fights .
He puts his life on the line .
This was also only the second battle he had ever fought in , as I mentioned , in the cold open he had fought a battle four days before , but they had been utterly defeated .
Like it was not even close , they were routed there and so he had just come off the heels of a loss and within experience , and so it's actually quite amazing that he was able to do that .
Yeah , one of the other things I want to highlight and ask you a question about this that I just find so intriguing in the parallels for today . So Ethelred right , alfred's brother , who is , I think at that time he's supposed to be king . He's king .
He's king , he's definitely king .
He doesn't show up to the battle on time because he lingers long in his prayers . Now , one of the things that I tend to notice today is , I think that we have a lot of cowardice that masquerades his pietism or radical two kingdoms theology . So I want to ask you about this . Do you agree ?
Do you see sort of this band where I see a lot of the people you talked about them before , a lot of the people who are most upset with the Dusty Devers is like the pietistic camp . R2k camp obviously hates us , hates anybody like Dusty who's trying to change the world .
I heard one of the R2K guys recently saying the state in the church cannot do anything to speak against Hitler . If they were back in that position , they can't do anything to speak against the evils of the world , they just have to allow them to happen , whatever they are , and it got me thinking . It's like well , isn't this just pietistic cowardice ?
So I want to get your thoughts on those .
Yeah , back to the battle . The reason that they were split is because the Viking army had actually divided in two , and so Alfred and Ethelred had decided they were going to split in two as well . And then you have King Ethelred .
He's in mass and in prayers , and there's some debate whether he was actually a coward or not , but , as you recall , they just suffered defeat four days earlier , and so his excuse was that he was in mass and deep in prayer and didn't show up for the battle .
Well , alfred now has both armies , the Viking armies that are converging on him and did converge on him .
And the thing is , we definitely see this today , like you said , with that example of not speaking against Hitler the church shouldn't speak against Hitler or the evils of our day and the thing is , the shroud of pietism is just another prime example of cowardice .
But what these men don't actually realize , I think in their piety , because their piety clouds their judgment in such a way that they don't realize that their people are actually being stolen , like their people are actually being stolen and they're doing nothing to stop it and in fact , they're fighting a counter war against those who are fighting , not to belabor the
point . But this is definitely alive and well right now , and I think that that is another prime example of cowardice .
You see , a big towel for cowardice in the church is when you find that inaction is being promoted as a theological value . In other words , again , the thing that will get in the most trouble is fighting certain issues , and many of them are political issues . Standing up and saying they're moral , political , ethical issues , like no , the church can't give way .
Here we're being counter-discipled . Here we have to stand up on something like sexuality .
We have to stand up on something like you know today , one of the biggest issues that is a hot button politically outside the church , as well as this immigration issue like illegal immigration , where , you know , north America is being functionally invaded by millions upon millions of immigrants , and we know that the left is leveraging this in order to create voters ,
to bolster , consolidate their power and ultimately , progress , you know , put forward an anti-Christ regime , politically speaking , on the whole world . That's what they're trying to do . And so , you'll see , though , as soon as you know , fundamentalists stand up and start saying this is not okay .
In fact , if we would just go back to the doctrines of our forefathers and understood how they thought about things like nations , you know , we look at Stephen Wolf's book , we go back and we say how did Calvin ? How did the reformers think about nationhood and how the civil father and the city father ought to protect the common wealth ?
And you know all of these ideas . As soon as you start to recover those and say , wait , that actually applies here . This is not just a political issue , this is a spiritual issue . There's an anti-Christ propaganda and machine that's rolling forward to not just win a political victory but actually ultimately win in an asymmetrical war against Christianity .
Right , we know this . What happens ? The second you start rallying around and saying we're going to fight on this front , you immediately get 15 regime theologians who are saying , well , you hate the gospel and missions because , look , the mission field is coming to you and how dare you fail to love orphans and widows ?
And if you really haven't , you read the Good Samaritan and they start to . They do really bad theology . They do a lot of proof texting , but what are they doing ? They are fighting against your action . They're fighting against Christians , actually fighting the correct fight , and they're doing it with a veil .
With emotional manipulation and theological justification .
That's not actually our job , Christians . Let's just preach the gospel .
Yeah , this is the thing years ago . I mean , they've been saying it for a long time , but like Russ Moore , he was like well , you know , jesus was a brown skin immigrant from the Middle East .
Right , but except that he wasn't , but I mean none of which is true .
But even the new commercial series like the he Gets Us , it's like you know two immigrants like beating the tar out of each other . It's like domestic violence and they're like have your relationships ever been strained ? Jesus gets you . I'm like wait , I don't understand what is happening Hang ?
on just a second . Hang on just a second . It's . It's a classic move , but it's just you get . Regime theologians will always protect the interest of the regime and they will weaponize theological justifications in order to keep the people conveniently inactive .
Well , this is the whole David French , Russ Moore and whatever the Chinaman guy is that they do the theology series together , but the whole thing is the church they were talking about . The church is not a place to talk about politics . You need to be completely neutered from these conversations . Meanwhile , they're pushing 100% like leftist political theology .
Right . The church is not a place to push politics . But if you love your neighbor , get the vax . And unlimited immigration that's not political . Those are gospel issues . That's not political and it's just .
If what we need to do is train the people to see through that and actually say OK , here's a prerequisite for a leader in the camp you have to be a guy that has consistently for the last five years or however long , stood up in the pulpit and poked the gods of the age in both eyes and been willing to say to your church even if you fire me , I'm not
going to back down from this . Even if the elder team runs political maneuvering against me , I'm not going to give into this .
I would rather be unemployed than to be a regime theologian Like those are the issues today again that are creating this system of the trust economy , where the credentialed are losing , and they know it , and that's why they're shrieking so loud right now .
Yeah , they're losing , and people who are simply often bubba's , like guys that are not elites in any sense of the word , they're just normal pastors like us I'm describing .
They're midwits .
You know on the on the meme , you know the bell curve meme , and you got the monk and you got the , the simpleton , and then you've got the midwit in the middle . We're like on the left . All of the most important leaders right now , with few exceptions , are the guy on the left who's like six day creation is true . God said it . You know why is that ?
Well , it's because people are wising up to this play . It's not effective . It's not going to be effective for long , but we need to continue to be training people to see through this kind of regime . Theologian .
Yeah , really , if you're reading the story of our time , if , if these guys were around to give Gideon counsel yeah , they would say like hey , don't destroy that , that idol of bail . You know what we should do . Let's make a smaller version . We'll just bring it into the temple Right , and I don't like it .
I know you don't like it , nobody really likes it , but I think it would be best for everyone . Yeah , look if we just put it in the temple and then it was an opportunity to evangelize these .
Right , the bail were shivers will come to us . What we can do is we could say , like we'll put both , you know , worship of Yahweh and the bail , and it'll just be kind of a pluralistic sort of thing where they , they can choose . We don't want to force anybody . That would be really wrong and icky .
So I mean freedom of a religion .
Right it actually reminds me of the scene where Samuel you know , saul is supposed to kill a guy and he has this all these justifications why he let him live blah , blah , blah . Maybe it was like that , who knows ? We don't get all the details , but I love this very poetic scene that's probably crocheted and hanging over people's toilets in the south .
But Samuel flips out and he says what is the sound of the bleeding of sheep then ? Because God gave you a command and he takes a sword and he hacks a gag to pieces . It's a priest right there . That's a priest and a righteous response to evil .
As you guys are talking about this , I can't help but think the people in Alfred Shieldwall if they would have turned and run . They're actually less cowardly than the leaders today who are actively seeking to undermine the fight in the first place .
Flea for your life , like you can almost understand a man who is afraid for his life . Any man can be until and I haven't until you've been in a life or death . Somebody's trying to kill you by cutting holes in you . Situation like less . Any man should boast of his courage , right , of course . But you're right , that is . That is at least understandable .
It's still disqualifying and a sin , and a grievous sin . It's a grievous sin at the heart of masculinity . But how much worse to be the guy that's like pay the dain galed .
Let's just pluralize , let's let him in , let's just Well , part of the reason that Alfred was in this position is because Mercia , the king of Mercia , paid the dain galed and the Danes did go away for a moment .
Like 10 they attacked Wessex Right . Yeah , and we'll get into dain galed in just a minute , but I do want to ask which is actually ironic when you consider Christians .
coming out against Christian nationalism and fundamentalism is essentially taking the Vikings and turning themself yeah . Yeah , to say attack those guys .
Yeah , well , and I do think that the cowardice of the leaders today is more like , hey , we've sided with the Danes and we're going to use , like Christian theology , to try and poison the Christians in Wessex , as I said .
I do want to ask you a question , though , about leadership in general , just to crystallize this point and clarify this point when you have a strong leader , obviously we've talked about leading from the front as being important , a good practical application lesson for people what else would you put on that list ?
Effective leaders , encouraging people to be that today .
Yeah , I think one of the things that Alfred displays and others , like we used Stonewall earlier , is that they have foresight . They're able to see , they're able to read the chessboard if you will , and they're actually able to see if they've hung their queen or not , which is probably too deep a cut .
But a lot of times you'll get leaders that think they can read the chessboard , they think that they're really good at it . Yeah , not realizing their own blind spots , not taking counsel from other respectable wise men , whereas these men they could see the chessboard accurately , they knew the times and they could see the consequences of something like flight .
So even Stonewall was encouraging the Confederate army to charge to .
Yeah , he understood the only way we're going to win . We have fewer people , we have far less manufacturing and economic ability . If we don't win this war fast , we are going to lose . We can't win a grinded out war .
And he was like look , you got to wage total war , you got to burn everything to ground that you follow and you got to march all the way north until they Don't have a stomach to battle .
That's it .
That's the only way .
And everyone said , oh , that's icky , stonewall , that's so unsodd .
He actually wouldn't have dived lives too .
And the thing is he was right . That's the only way the South could possibly have won outside of massive intervention from foreign powers . That was it .
That's something else I think leaders you have to understand is this principle of if you want to win , you're a smaller force and you're backs up against it . There's a level of aggression and audacity that you have to hit fast and fierce , and even with the battle down .
One of the things that I keep coming back to in our own present situation is pursuit , when you have the enemy on the run . If you don't finish it , if you don't put them down , like you've got the wolves on the run , that's nothing they can , as we'll see , they can easily regroup and come back and attack you . You've got to go for the kill .
Decisiveness is another really important leadership characteristic that Alfred displays and that's needed in our time . So one of the things that is a temptation amongst leaders when they don't know what to do is that they'll often start micromanaging other things .
Obviously , it's not in the account of Alfred , but if he had saw the Danes and he's like where's my brother ? What are we going to do ? Hey , you guys , what are you doing with your shields ? They're not ready .
You're like start critiquing everybody around you and you're like attacking people in your own lines while there's an enemy that's ready to hack you to pieces in front Through indecision , just not knowing what to do , so you attack your friends .
That's a really bad thing that leaders tend to do , so decisiveness is really important when Alfred is faced with the enemy . He knows the situation . He can see into the future . If I run , what are the consequences ? What is our vision ? And okay , here's what we're going to do . We're going to fight .
Assemble the shield wall , shows no hesitation and shows complete confidence and is able to lead his men .
We're going to fight here and not here . That's the leader . The leader understands that you're almost never , as a leader , in a situation where you have unlimited resources and can attack every possible problem . Multiple fronts even , is usually foolish , right .
The leader must know what is the correct front and concentrate his forces , and even in that a leader must be willing to lose . This is what so often has missed and allowed the decline of Christianity is leaders who weren't willing to lose . They saw battles and they saw that they were battles that they disagreed with . They saw the enemy .
They were like okay , if I allow this thing to continue in my church , then my church is going to lose over the long haul . But they looked at those battles , many pastors and this applies to lots of different things other than the church as well and they said but I'm not certain I can win , I have a chance of winning , but I might get run out of town .
I might end up losing enough people , losing my position , losing my safety , losing my comfort , losing my authority . And so a lot of pastors they play at fighting .
They do small little faints and they kind of take small little stands and then they might take back two steps forward , but then they give way three steps back and the enemy knows that if someone's not going to fight total war , that they can be strategic all day long . That's what the left does . They take .
They'll huge , swell the tide , full DEI , full wokeness , full everything . They'll let the tide get all the way to where it is about 2023 , I think that was like peak , peak wokeness . Now there's kind of a cultural reaction . The right is ascendant . People are starting to see this is ridiculous .
Our planes are going to fall out of the sky if they try to run on slay queen . So we're going to have to like actually hire some middle-aged white guys and like leave them alone a little bit more . What will they do now ?
They will let us take back 40% of the ground that was lost by their time so that they can make another all out run five years from now . And if you just follow that process , what's going to happen ? Well , total victory for them . So a leader has to be willing to lose . He has to be willing to die , like Alfred was going . This is it .
I'm willing to give it all right now .
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You go back to World War I and II and the collapse of the British Empire . The military and national collapse is actually secondary to the collapse of the morale and the belief in the vision of the people . There was a time when great men aspired , like Alfred , to great things and they believed them into the core of their being , and so they fought .
I think for us especially , this is again why history is so important for leadership . But do you actually believe in this project ? Do we actually believe in this post-millennial vision ?
Of course the answer is yes , but it will result in a certain kind of fighting spirit , that is , a zeal , as the Greeks would call it , a fire rising within you , and fire always spreads .
One of the reasons that we see institutional decline , we see companies decline and we see churches decline is because often you get a leader that is Alfred-like , that displays courage , men rally to him and then he has success . But at a certain point , what did Alfred had to lose . I mean , all of the nations around him are falling .
The king didn't show up to battle . They're going to be annihilated .
He's pretty much alone .
He's alone , he's like , well , here we've got to fight or else we're going to be decimated . In some ways you can say , well , that was an easier decision because he's already dead , so he's just attacking as a dead man .
But then , as soon as he gains power and starts pushing back the Vikings and takes the kingdom one of the temptations that leaders have is after they've grabbed enough power or had enough influence , righteously , unrighteously , their main concern is keeping it , and so they soften the message and back to your point about fighting feints and things like that to show ,
hey , there's some of the old spirit left in you , but it's all just bluster and they slowly decline .
Yeah , it's consolidation of power that's not passed on to the next generation .
Well , and maybe one of the modern examples , even with Jordan Peterson remember like he got famous for like , really punching the left in the mouth ? Oh yeah , and YouTube videos you can fire me , I don't care , really great . And then all the stuff now is like him crying and doing like bad Bible exposition with like Ben Shapiro yeah , but it's yeah .
I think the desire to popularize or whatever it is that weakens , and so good leaders have to keep the same vision as well . I want to ask one question for you guys , and then we're going to jump into another story here , but we can also ask a question about luck , which I find interesting . A lot of people said Alfred's lucky .
You said that about a lot of companies , great leaders , great teams , whatever . They just got lucky . But it's interesting , dan , we dove into this with great by choice . They talk about luck , yeah , and 30 year 10X companies who last and do a wonderful , fantastic job . They found that most people have about the same amount of luck .
You read the story of Alfred and you find , well , the Danes had luck too . Yep , and it's really not about luck . It's about what kind of position you put yourself in to deal with the luck that you're given , yeah , to capitalize . It's about the opportunity .
And I think about it like if you're thinking about a third string quarterback , maybe somebody like the Cardinals . You have a third string quarterback guy named Kurt Warner . He's passed his prime . Two guys get hurt and they're like Kurt . We have no other options . They go to the Super Bowl because that guy was ready to step up . So that's luck .
He also had a bunch of bad luck . So when you're thinking about great leaders Alfred , his victories , dan how do you think about and how do you process this issue of luck or good providence ? We might say ?
Yeah , I mean in this position . Sure , I think that the battle at Ashton was providence , if you you know it was good luck definitely , but he was in a position with his soldiers that actually was able to capitalize it .
And I mean , I mean I just redefined what you just said but if he had not capitalized on it and retreated , he had an opportunity to capitalize and he would have lost that and they would have surely been decimated .
And the same thing happens with companies or churches you know pastors where , because of cowardice , the opportunities do exist but you never capitalized on it . You don't know what could have happened if you had just made the stand . Who knows what God would have done .
You're always waiting for it to be won and then step in to victory . Yeah , or the ideals of like maybe the Viking ?
only half of the Vikings show up to this battle and we outnumber them . Now I'll be courageous .
Yeah .
Yeah , it doesn't work that way . You don't live in an ideal world , and so you have to be able to display courage and take the opportunities , even if they don't look like opportunities .
Yeah .
A tragedy doesn't look like an opportunity , but it often is .
Yeah , even 2020 was an opportunity , like that's kind of our kind of how we met , and so you know a lot of good , you know new Christendom press , all that kind of comes out of 2020 . A lot of people didn't capitalize on 2020 . Brian , you could even think about something like music .
I'm sure you've heard this before , but anytime there's some success and something , people say , oh Brian's just really lucky , and then you might respond with like , well , yeah , but you don't see the hours of production , you don't see the work . Definitely gifting talent , all those things , but as a wise leader , that really means nothing unless you do the work .
Yeah , lucky people .
There is such thing as someone who has a big break and they have a momentary just success and maybe it's great , like some people do get lucky and they , they ape all into you know some meme coin and become a multimillionaire Right , but most of the time those people , when there's not a character , they end up just failing in slow motion after that for a long
time . You have to be consistent . You have to just every day do the thing you know you're supposed to do . 90 percent of the time you don't actually want to do the next thing . Deep in your soul , you know , like the third string quarterback , does he really want to grind it out for multi-hour workouts and then training sessions ?
And knowing he's not going to know , knowing there is a 1.3 percent chance that he's going to make it on the field and then in an NFL game this season at all , let alone in a moment where he might actually really have an opportunity ?
Usually it's like , oh , we're blowing out the other team here , take a couple reps , or you know what it who the character to do . That gives the illusion often of luck being the thing . But you know music is an example Most of the people that you see who are like . All of a sudden you start to see some musician blowing up .
There's a lot of secular examples like no , a con right now , like folksy kind of had a couple hits and now everyone's like loves his music . Stick season , baby , stick season , yeah sure , and it's like it's explicit guys . So don't don't think that Kings Hall is like there you go , it's not great . I haven't listened to it , so I just know it's popular .
Guarantee you that guy is in his mid to late 30s and has been grinding it out , making music and getting really good at that and writing . And he's probably written a hundred really bad songs , right , and just ground it out .
And many , most people who complain about luck have never had the fortitude to grind out a hundred failed attempts at something or to just practice something and do it over and over and over and over . Most people that sit on the sidelines and fuss about how people are just lucky , most of those people are just lazy and that's fine . They can keep .
They can keep sucking , but you offered click . Great leaders clearly are not just momentarily lucky .
Yeah , having all the virtues of character and discipline and that sort of thing , that will propel you to leadership greatness .
After the crucial battle of Ashton , alfred and his brother , king Ethelred , suffered a defeat at the Battle of Bosing . They conceded more land in their retreat , falling back even further into their own territory . After such a loss a sound rubbing at the hands of the Vikings Ethelred and Alfred made a key decision in the history of the island .
Ethelred called the Witten a council of the wise men of Wessex before him . He presented he and Alfred's plan for the succession of the throne . If Ethelred suffered an untimely death , then Alfred and his sons would claim the rights to the throne . Alfred would have to provide for the family of Ethelred .
In exchange , the Witten , after quick consideration , approved of the choice . The decision proved vital . A few days later , ethelred and Alfred led the Anglo-Saxons into a fateful battle at Merton . The Battle of Merton proceeded much like the first few battles fought between the two armies . Both formed shield walls and echo of Roman times .
Again , ethelred and Alfred led from the front as both sides exchanged spear thrusts . After several hours , the Anglo-Saxon shield wall remained impenetrable . The lines of the Northmen crumbled and retreated . The exhausted men of Wessex wallowed in their seemingly assured victory . In their joy of victory , neither Alfred nor Ethelred pushed the pursuit . Instead they relaxed .
They casually approached the fleeing Danish line , but then suddenly , into their horror , the Danes collectively turned and reformed their shield wall . The Saxon elation disappeared in an instant . They frantically reformed their shield walls , but it was too late . The Viking army rolled over the Saxons and destroyed them .
Alfred and Ethelred lost all control over their men in the ensuing retreat , as Saxon soldiers were moaned down without mercy . Alfred searched for his brother after the battle , only to find him seriously wounded . The Vikings now seemed to be unstoppable and were making massive inroads into the kingdom of Wessex . King Ethelred's major injuries only made matters worse .
He struggled with fever and loss of blood and a few days later died of his wounds , leaving the throne of Wessex empty . Alfred was next in line . The throne passed to him and he was crowned on the 15th of April 871 , anno Domini . It was not an ideal time to rule .
A lesser man would have rejected it , but as Alfred had shown at the Battle of Ashtown , he was no lesser man . Alfred's rule began inauspiciously . As Easter had come , alfred hoped for a new deliverance from his godless foes . Instead , it was exactly the opposite . A new Viking fleet sailed up the Thames with thousands of new warriors .
They joined the already present Danish force at Redding . They were led by three new Viking kings Guthram , oskitel and Anwennd . The Northmen had heard of England's easy plunder and had come in search of gold . A few minor skirmishes occurred in 871 and 872 , all of which resulted in losses for Alfred . At the end of 872 , alfred was forced to buy the Danes off .
In exchange for money , the Danes promised to leave Wessex alone for five years . Surprisingly , they seemed to keep their word . The Vikings left Wessex and ransacked the surrounding countryside , establishing a puppet king in the nearby Kingdom of Mercia .
Dr Merkel speaks to the Danegeld in his book the White Horse King Quote paying the Danegeld never buys more than short-term peace . The payment reveals a weakness , a willingness to give up wealth without a fight , and like the scent of blood to sharks , this message could do nothing other than attract future Viking attacks , end quote .
A poem by Rudyard Kipling explains the Danegeld in plain terms , and that is called paying the Danegeld . But we've proved it again and again that if once you've paid him the Danegeld , you never get rid of the Dane . Indeed , the action removed the Danes from the Kingdom of Wessex for only three years , not the promised five .
During this time , alfred should have sought to fix the problem with the Saxon system of military , which did not have a standing army . Instead , they had what was called a Feard . When time for battle came , alfred would call on his nobles , who would supply their own small militias . This process was clunky and inefficient .
Alfred was at a loss as to how to fix it and decided to just leave it as it was . Near the end of the peace in Wessex , alfred started to sense a Viking return . He focused his sparse resources on building a small navy , earning him the honor of being the father of the Royal British Navy .
In 875 , saxon watchers on the coast reported sightings of a fleet of Viking ships . Luckily , the fleet contained only seven of the famous Viking longboats . The Danes clearly had plunder in mind and not open warfare . Nevertheless , alfred personally led his small navy against the Vikings and they achieved a resounding victory .
One ship was captured , the other six put to flight . Though the victory was small , it was sweet . It gave the Saxons at least a small measure of confidence . The following year they would need all the confidence they could get .
Another Viking attempt to take Wessex would occur , and this time the Danish intent was not merely plunder but complete destruction of the Saxon people .
As for the next Danish invasion , ben Merkle writes In the year 876 , the Viking King Guthrub , leader of the Danish forces occupying East Anglia , led his army out of Cambridge under cover of darkness and began a hasty march toward Wessex . Guthrub was able to lead his Danish army , virtually unnoticed , through the heart of Wessex all the way to the southern coast .
Guthrub had caught Alfred heavily off guard by the time Alfred and the rest of Wessex became aware of the invasion Guthrub had already seized the town of Werem . Werem was ideally located because it was bordered by rivers on two different sides .
The two rivers then connected to the back of Werem , therefore creating a natural defense on three out of the four sides of the city . When Alfred finally arrived at the city , guthrub had already dug himself in and was amply prepared for a long siege . Alfred was hesitant to indulge Guthrub in such a siege .
Werem was clearly a naval base , surrounded as it was by water , that was easily accessed by the sea . But why would Guthrub choose a naval base when all he possessed was a land force ? Alfred believed Guthrub to be waiting on a large Danish fleet , which bolstered his sense of suspicion .
Alfred's two options appeared to be either laying siege to Werem and hoping that Guthrub did not have a naval force , or again paying the Danegale to buy time . Alfred chose to pay . The Danegale Hostages were exchanged to force Guthrub to keep his word . Guthrub swore , on the name of Thor , that he would leave Wessex .
In a savage and ruthless display of barbarity , guthrub slew his Saxon hostages and slipped out of Werem in the middle of the night . By the time Alfred caught up to him , he had taken the city of Exeter , which was also well fortified . To compound matters , the suspected Danish fleet was spotted along the southern coast standing upwards of 3,000 men .
Alfred prayed for deliverance from the Viking menace and prayed that his lands would be delivered , even if it involved a miracle . The prayers of the meek do not fall in deaf ears . John 931 says Now we know that God does not hear sinners , but if anyone is a worshipper of God and does his will , he hears them .
In an amazing twist of providence , a massive storm wrecked the entire Danish fleet ships off the coast , some 3,600 men . The tables were now turned in Alfred's favor . Guthrub negotiated a quick treaty and left Wessex . He returned to Mercia under pretexts of peace , but raised a massive army and began preparing for yet another invasion into Anglo-Saxon territory .
Guthrub planned his next attack with impeccable timing . The Viking force on the border of Wessex and Mercia launched a sneak attack on the 12th night of Christmas . The date of the attack was a stroke of genius Chippenham , a tactical advantage of a city , was occupied by Alfred so that he could keep an eye on Guthrub in Mercia .
But on the 12th night the good Christians were celebrating the birth of their lord with great vigor . They left the city exposed , guthrub attacked and Chippenham fell in a single night . Alfred and his immediate family , as well as their bodyguard , fled into the night . Alfred was then betrayed by several powerful nobles who lost faith in their king .
He was forced to hide in the watery marsh country , mirroring stories of Robin Hood hiding in Sherwood Forest . Though it did not feel like it at the time , the next part of Alfred's adventure was the sort that inspires legends . Truly , alfred was the first Robin Hood , with just his family and a few men that remained loyal to him .
Alfred hid in the woods and conducted small guerrilla warfare . He used small raiding parties to pick off groups of Danes . Those Anglo-Saxons who had deserted him also became targets of his attacks . The headquarters of Alfred's new operation was a small island called Athelney .
It was two acres in area , surrounded by a river on one side and marshes and bogs on the other . It was only approachable by boat and it was hidden from view . It was a perfect hideout .
Then , according to Dr Merkel quote nearly all the great legends for which Alfred is still remembered refer to these few months as Alfred wandered the wilds of Wessex figuring out how to retake his kingdom end quote the most famous of these legends is the story of Alfred in the Cakes .
According to the legend , alfred first arrived at Athelney alone and was scouting it out as a potential base . Keeping his identity a secret , alfred lodged at the home of a shepherd and his wife . One day Alfred was left to watch the cakes that the shepherd's wife was baking . He became so lost in thought that he let the cakes burn into a crisp .
When the shepherd's wife returned to find her cakes burned , she chastised Alfred for being lazy and taking advantage of her hospitality . Alfred accepted the criticism and dutifully turned the cakes over . This was a perfect example of the meekness of Alfred's character .
The king of England was mistaken for a poor yeoman incastigated for burning food , and yet he humbly accepted the approach and changed his way . During his stay at Athelney , alfred had to reinvent himself as a man and as a king . In his previous battles , he could never be faulted for his zeal and determination . However , he now realized that he lacked cunning .
He had been outsmarted and outmaneuvered by Guthram . He now sought to be as wise as a serpent but as innocent as a dove . He stated Athelney because he could track Guthram . He could analyze his opponent's movements and favorite strategies From this secret hideout . Alfred studied Guthram and truly learned from his mistakes . Such traits are the marks of a superior man .
Alfred now successfully engaged in guerrilla tactics , something he wasn't previously accustomed to . He used subterfuge and espionage and practiced moving his troops silently around Wessex . After almost two years of hiding , alfred decided that the time was ripe to expel Guthram from his kingdom once and for all .
In the late spring of 878 , anno Domini , alfred rode to Egbert's Stone , where he had mustered his remaining army , to make an assault on Chippenham , where Guthram dwelt . It was a force of 4,000 men , all of whom were ready for a last gasp battle to save their home . Previously , the Church calendar had been used as a weapon against Alfred .
This time , he would use it to his advantage . He chose to march from Egbert's Stone to Chippenham on Whitsunday or Pentecost , displaying his newfound cunning . It was a move that Guthram did not expect , as he assumed that Alfred and his soldiers would spend the day worshiping .
Guthram hastily gathered his army and marched to Bratton Camp , a fortress 10 miles from Chippenham , in order to cut off Alfred's advance . Because of the stealth and speed Alfred had maintained , guthram did not have time to fortify Bratton Camp . Alfred , his prayers said in his orders given , prepared for a decisive battle .
On the 5th of May 878 , the shield walls of the Anglo-Saxons and the Northmen met in a ferocious battle . The hurled spears of both sides reportedly blocked out the sun as they fell in droves among their targets . Many lay dead on the fields of Bratton Camp . Man after man collapsed dead in the Saxons' shield wall , but man after man arose to take his place .
Guthram had arrogantly chosen to face the Saxons in the field of battle instead of inside the walls of Bratton Camp . Confident in his victory , now he wasn't so sure . Throwing , anxious and fearful , he sent out his best warriors , the Danish berserkers .
The drugged up warriors ran naked toward the Saxons' shield wall in a blood boiling frenzy , clanging their swords , together with intoxicated fervor . Such things had broken the Saxons' will before , but Alfred's stay in Athelmy had done him a favor . Only those who were completely loyal to the king , and therefore courageous men , had stayed with him .
The Saxons' shield wall remained unbroken . Guthram was now aware of his arrogant mistake . The Viking's shield wall began to crumble and disarray . Cowered after cowered , retreated from his place beside his brothers' arms , the wall disintegrated under the brutal attacks and cries of the Saxons . The Vikings turned in a full-fledged retreat , panic in their eyes .
They stumbled over one another in their haste to retreat , dropping their heavy weapons as they did so .
Still .
Guthram thought to himself they've never pushed after our walls broken . Surely they will not change now . But he was wrong . Alfred had changed . He would not repeat the mistake that cost his brother his life at the Battle of Merton . The men of Wessex pressed the retreat , destroying all Danes in their path .
Almost all of the Danes were slaughtered as they raced in bedlam for the hills . Only Guthram and a few of his commanders escaped , slinking back to Chippenham . First the hunter , now the prey . The tides of war had changed , and they had changed for good . Alfred , the great warrior , the great leader and the great man had taken back control of his country .
Never again would he bow before such godless men . He was truly the king . Now Guthram was ousted from his hideout in Chippenham after two weeks of siege . What followed was the most one-sided agreement ever signed by Danish people In the treaty . Alfred took as many hostages as he wished and gave none in return .
Guthram would leave Wessex with his remaining men and never return here . Alfred chose to demonstrate his Christian mercy . The Danes had been nothing but cruel and heartless to the West Saxons since their first invasion in 866 , but Alfred was not cruel and heartless .
He promised Guthram his freedom if , and only if Guthram would take the Christian sacrament of baptism and that Alfred become Guthram's godfather . In the process , guthram agreed . Three weeks later , alfred led Guthram and his men to a small church in a town called Aller , a short walk away from Athelney . The church was merely a shack .
Wessex had impressive churches at the time . Alfred could have tried to impress Guthram with his Christianity and shown him the earthly riches of his religion . Instead , alfred brought Guthram to the lowliest , most humble , ramshackled church that Britain had to offer .
It was the very church Alfred had worshipped at during his stay in Athelney , the lowest point of his life . Perhaps he wished to show Guthram his humble origins . Either way , he presented to Guthram an honest depiction of Christianity . It was and is a humble religion . It was at this church that Guthram was baptized .
The typical Catholic rituals were performed and then Guthram was led to the baptismal . The priests submerged him three times in the name of the Father , the Son and the Holy Ghost . On the third submersion , alfred grabbed Guthram by the shoulders and pulled him dripping from the water . The two stood face to face .
Alfred , who had sponsored Guthram's baptism , announced Guthram as his godson and rechristened him . Ethelstan , now a member of the House of the King of Wessex . By this action , alfred forgave Guthram for all the offenses he had perpetrated and welcomed him into fellowship . Disregarding the previous conflict between the two , alfred embraced Ethelstan as he would .
His own son , ethelstan was then treated by Alfred to 12 days of Saxon feasting , a period during which Alfred bestowed numerous gifts on his new godson . After the feasting , ethelstan returned to the conquered kingdom of East Anglia and began his reign as king there . The question now was whether Ethelstan would hold to his new baptism .
The first test of his Christianity came just months in his reign over East Anglia . A large Viking fleet had sailed to England and met with Ethelstan and asked for his permission and aid in raiding and plundering Wessex . When this was reported to Alfred , he prepared to meet his godson in battle yet again . But Ethelstan surprised every West Saxon with his decision .
He vehemently told the Vikings no and sent them away empty-handed . Next , ethelstan pulled his armies away from the Wessex border . Ethelstan and Alfred would never meet in combat again , but remained on good terms for the rest of Ethelstan's life . Modern historians tend to take the cynical view of Guthram's baptism and claim that it was nothing but a ruse .
However , nothing after the fallen Vikings' conversion shows that he was anything other than a sincere Christian convert . He regularly attended mass , made several peace treaties with Alfred and minted a coin in commemoration of St Edmund , a king of East Anglia who had been killed by Danes when he died .
In 890 , the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle reported the death of a Christian king named Ethelstan , who was simply the godson of Alfred . No comments were made about his previous life as a pagan , though the suspicions of the truth concerning Guthram's baptism may never be entirely shaken .
He lived the life of a Christian after his baptism , which is all the evidence needed to conclude that he was indeed a true Christian .
Well , gentlemen , what a banger of a story . First of all , the amazing things that happened in Alfred's life , so many things to talk about . But I was recently watching a movie . Daniel appreciate this . You've recommended the book and I have yet to read it . Nor have I , nor has .
Brian , you haven't read it . I haven't read it . I gave it away just now , but yeah , I haven't read it Even .
Ben's wife was disappointed that I have not yet read the book that I was lent from the Garrett family . Oh no , however , I did . Like a lazy American , I did watch the movie , okay , but there is a good scene in here . Dan , you can verify if this actually happened to the book .
But Duke Leto says to his son , paul and I love this quote he says this a great man doesn't seek to lead . He has called to it and he answers . Now , alfred certainly answered the call and it was not at a great time for the glamorous work of head . We see all of this , really , in the story that we just read .
So , dan , just talk about answering the bell as a great man , what that requires and what it requires stepping up to the plate to do for Alfred .
Well , you know , eric , that's an excellent question and I'm really glad you asked me because I have a reference in mind . I don't know you guys don't know this about me , but it has become my goal to not use Lord of the Rings references ever .
You're a contrarian at heart , so I know , if it becomes popular enough , that you will never quote it again , See when somebody calls you a contrarian , you're really left in a pickle .
Because if I say I disagree , man , I'm getting raz right now . But no , to answer your question , it's actually really a pivotal scene in Lord of the Rings when Frodo says that he wishes that he didn't live to see such times , you know , and Gandolf says we don't get to choose the times we're born in .
We just have to use the time we've been given the best we can , and so I think that does that scene , and so me using Lord of the Rings right now . It was such a good reference . It is . Yeah , I wish .
I had thought of it and Eric hadn't written it in the notes .
First of all , he really forced your hand there , but here's it no , no , here's the thing . So I think it's a good reference . Here's the thing . So you know so many times I'm going to backtrack a little bit One of the things that I think is a problem right now . That is probably a generational thing .
But older men look at younger men and say I wish that things weren't going to be so hard for you . What a what a hard time to live . I feel pity and sorrow for my , my generations , for for the world that they're going to live in it's going to be so hard . Whereas Gandalf is saying essentially to Frodo this is a time for glory .
You don't get to choose when you live . You don't get to choose the situation that you're put into . But through Providence , God made you for a time such as this . God made Alfred for that time to preserve his people .
Through the judgment of the Viking invasion , he brought a man like Alfred and put him in that time and through the hardship and all of the situations and Alfred ended up fanning into flame what became one of the greatest kingdoms that the world has ever seen .
And some of the high points of this story . For me in Alfred's story , the reason that once you understand his story , you realize that the title the Great is is apt . It's a correct title for him because there are many men whom history calls great , who did one thing well or who stood in one key moment .
That really was a really important , a pivotal moment in history . What I love about Alfred is that he did do that . He did stand up and he rose to the occasion and he put himself , he put it all on the line . But he did it again and again and he learned from his mistakes Over and over .
He looked back and he was like , wow , we didn't press that attack . And look what happened . Oh , wow , we paid the gate , we paid the daingelt , and look what happened . Oh , and he did this over and over . He humbly looked , even the story of the cakes . Alfred was a man who knew how to lead , but he also knew how to repent . He also knew how to learn .
He knew how to humbly assess his own past failures and adjust his own tactics . And the key , the crowning part of the story Eric will probably edit it out , but when he's baptizing Guthram at that point in the story I'm like hold him down , bro , drown that rat , like by the time you get to that point in the story , you read Dr Merkel's book .
You hate Guthram .
No , I , when I was reading the book and I got to the point where he was like convert to Christianity or die , I'm like , oh , this is where he like cut his head off . And then he's like OK , I'll submit , and I'm like Alfred , don't you are an idiot .
What ?
are you thinking how many ?
times has they have they sworn on their gods and your God and and then broken their word ? These people are snakes . What a doofus .
But then he actually sticks with it and he does it . And as we must now call him . He is Guthram hath died and Ethelstan hath arisen from the baptismal waters . We got to say he's a brother .
You are going to see Ethelstan , I'm convinced you're going to see this man in the kingdom , and it was because of the wisdom of the mercy , the wisdom of the mercy of Alfred . It makes me think of another moment , that because I suppose it's got to be gone , right .
Yeah , gandalf and calm , I'm like I'm with Frodo , I'm like , kill that , that sneaking rats Slinker , slinker , slinker , slinker , and .
And then you see the true greatness of Frodo and of you know , and I like to think that Tolkien is obviously steeped in the the northerness and in English history and he knows Alfred and other men like him , the true glory of Christian forgiveness and mercy , and how it shines brightly in this exact kind of setting .
We're like do we really believe that Christ can actually take an enemy , a Paul holding the coats , while they stone Stephen , and make him into one of the greatest slaves of Christ ?
Yeah , Well , it's also , I just think as especially for man , but there's so many times where we're called to Christ , we're called to do something . You know , maybe you're I remember times when , like your assistant manager , store manager gets fired and they're like you're going to be the store manager and you're like I actually have no idea .
I was about to ask how do you I log into the employee portal again ? I lost my password . Anyway , what was ?
that ? Yeah , exactly . But you just have to step up . You have to rise to the occasion , you have to adapt , improvise , overcome so many moments like that . And then Jesus has this moment .
I think , if you're a pastor and you know we've been called to such a weighty and a heavy role , to bear the burdens of the people on our heart , all those things there's moments where you feel heinously inadequate for the task and yet I think you know this model of just God gave you the task . Rise to the occasion , do your duty . That's it .
One of the things that Alfred does learn from is about paying the dame guilt . This is I would equate this to things like you mentioned , DEI , but I'll just give them a little bread . You know , you watch all football teams now . It's like every football team in the NFL has a chief diversity officer .
It's usually like a black female , To make sure there's enough white men , right yeah , because well exactly . You're like you're telling me , you're in a sport which is like 90% , like , let's say like come on , I don't think we've been worried .
Oh , there's not enough female linemen . That's the real problem .
Yes , yeah , we need more female linemen , there's actually none .
So I want to ask you guys kind of you know , I just thought of the first kick that that woman did . Oh yeah , they did . They had a woman kick , wasn't it in ?
the NFL I was college , or was it college ?
Okay , and she kicks the ball and they're like she lines up to kick off , I just want to put the Mexican guy who's just cackling and then talking in Spanish video Because that's in my soul right now when I think of that . Well , we do have a , you know , and it went like eight feet . Oh , I'm sorry .
Even the announcer , though he was like oh boy .
That's a really gay example of paying the dain gald .
Yeah , no , seriously , nobody was like , yeah , she's much better than all the other kickers that we could put on the field . Absolutely , they're paying the dain galt .
Yeah , they're paying the dain galt . The dain galt is like no , we're going to kill you and enslave your women and children .
You know , if you don't pay us , they're paying the DEI galt , oh man .
How effeminate are leaders today To where they're like . You know what we should give in to the gays and the trannies , the gay , galt and white women . That's who we should get into , anyway .
So a lot about it , like COVID was obviously a really good example with masks and vaccines and other things . We really did see this where it was like if you give in to the bullies , do they go away ? Yeah , no , no , the only way to tell the COVID people to go away . I saw this a video the other day .
It was an Irish man and these people came to his door and they were from the city and they were like we're here to inspect you , have a dog . We need to check your dog license . The guy was like are you joking ? And they were like no , we need to check your dog license . He's like go away , stop wasting people's time and money , go get a real job .
And he just refused to let them in , he refused to give in and they eventually were like , well , I guess we'll leave , but like that's the attitude you have to have when people are trying to exact this toll from you . Yeah , can you think of any other examples in our culture or society ? When it is , I don't even know what that looked like . Oh , can I .
Yeah , one of my favorite recent examples is Javier Millet , the Argentine president we were talking about his Jewish prayer hall Absolutely based . He gets in power and he's just like we're going to . He's going through the government , everything you'd want .
He's getting rid of the Department of this and the Department of that and the bureaucracy for gay turtles , and he's getting rid of all the . He's just waving his wacky , crazy hair around and yelling in a language I don't understand and I'm like that is the fascist energy that I need right there . Oh my word , I'm going to bring it to America tomorrow .
Oh my word . Like Christophashism , christian nationalism is not far enough .
We need Christophashism . You're a nasty person .
Okay , you're a nasty person .
Okay .
But , then here's the thing Just Christen them . Here's the thing . That's enough . Christen them's fine . It's the same picture .
Corporate needs you to see the difference , okay , but here's the thing . Argentine president Javier Millet , what do I see when I turn on the news next minute ?
The dude's weeping at the Western wall in Israel with the little hat on , and he's just , you know , standing there like this , this shame ritual that every Western leader in the entire world has to go through , apparently .
You're not supposed to notice , brian .
Notice what I was going to say . That's such a I'm glad to see all of the you know the support that we have for various communities and what are some other buzzwords that I could use .
How else can you pay the ?
damegail . Well , that's a damegail .
The jugal . It's a damegail . What I wanted to see was when he started weeping at the wall and somebody steps out and says sir , this is a Wendy's .
Yeah , Like I just look at it . I go like Javier . He's not Jewish , he doesn't believe in this . You can give a million examples like this , where the damegail is often a humiliation ritual that is meant to emasculate you and demonstrate we won , you work for me . That's what the damegail is .
It's like a bully pushing your face towards the dog .
The gay gail . It's why you don't wear the mask . You don't live in the pod , you don't eat the bug , you don't put the little thing in your email memo , your pronouns , you don't .
You can see more Alex Jones .
You have to go full like demons and yeah , they're literal pot belly goblin demons .
You know what I'm saying . They'll stab your daughter at the mall . Okay , they'll stab your wife , your son , they absolutely will Every time that you give in to the damegail . What you know is that you've just started a clock until the next bigger demand comes . The next demand is going to be your cojones . The demand after that is going to be your family .
The demand after that is going to be your civilization and your faith . You'd never pay better to die . This is why my guy , ben Garrett , is one of my heroes , because he's actually in the room , makes his headphones off so you can actually listen .
This guy , the stones on this guy , engineer with the government and they're like wear the mask , it will help with the COVID thing , wear the mask , whatever . And Ben went LOL , no . And then he just cheerfully went about his business until they were basically like , sir , you should probably seek another line of work .
And he was like yeah , look , I went to college for years to learn this entire industry and have a good paying job . That's secure . But I'm not going to pay the flippin' damegail facegail and wear your mask . And that was that . And I just think like if 5% of spineless government employees had done that would have been over . That damegail would have failed .
It doesn't take 50 . It takes five or 10 . So this rant I can't even remember where we are in the episode , but I think I'm done .
I think I'm done .
You wrapped it up . I think I'm done . Dan , you're a dane .
Yeah , what of it ?
Do you have any favorite danegales ? You like to pay or receive Dan's face ?
I mean I have to be like somewhat tolerable around you guys , but I seem to just get more of you . So I don't know , Maybe I should stop paying that .
Don't pay it . Do you have any favorite in the culture that you like to ? aim your biking spears at and destroy Any danegail do you want to take down ? I'm going to throw out a danegail while Dan's thinking and putting his head against the microphone for those in case you missed it . But I think Joe Rigney was right on this one .
One of the danegales that's often paid in the church is submission to female leaders who aren't leaders , but elder swipes and female modes of communication and giving into those sorts of things . And what I've found in the church is when you give into a tyrannical woman , maybe she's in your marriage . When you give into her , you net .
The dane galed is never leaving , like the feminism is never leaving . Hr , karen , lady , it's over . Hr , karen , lady , dan , we were talking about it with Lonesome Dove and July Johnson on the Hard Men podcast . But it's like this guy who's a sheriff but can't speak up to his wife .
Like he is paying a dane galed Yep To his wife , to his wife's wife's , particularly Christian leaders . When Matt Chandler wears the pink cat sweaters with his lady office people and his wife , he's paying a dane galed . That's exactly what he's doing .
It's too feminism and I think that because so much of the evangelical establishment like their customers , women , because they built a product around those women . They sell the product to those women .
Now those women have the control , and so I think also what's needed is a lot of courageous pastors who say , you know , as Brian has been doing on his I don't know 97 part series on biblical households and women .
It's going to be more like 99 .
All I remember was women are bad too .
The women are bad too . Hey , the two is important . Two .
But we did men first . How many times in our culture will the church actually address women sins ? Yeah , very rarely . So that's a way to not pay the dane galed .
Because the cost is often you're done .
You're done Like you don't have a job , you will lose your job .
That's why it's really important in this age for pastors to be Again . We talked about fighting battles . You are actually could . You could lose , but you have to fight those battles .
Yeah , and especially because it's probably not worth staying in a state of tyranny .
No , it's like do you want to be the vassal boy of the enemies ? No , you don't want to be their puppet . Like Alfred probably could have worked out some deal where he stayed somewhere , like at least for a minute , with some vestige of power , and given his kingdom over , he could have just gone to France . Yeah , he could just left , you know . But he didn't .
Alfred was like no , I will , I would rather die than do that again .
Yeah , it's really helpful . All thoughts , guys , as we close down kind of this . You know it's interesting because you have , like Jay Henty , you have the Robin Hood story , the William Wallace story in English history . They all kind of sound very similar .
As we kind of wrap things up here , what primary lessons do you think can be learned from , particularly what he did in that time period ? Yeah , he's reinventing himself , he's kind of retreating . Yeah , yeah , he's going back to a location , but interestingly enough , it's not full retreatism .
No , no , because full retreatism in our day especially , looks like embracing the enemy's platform , like our version of retreat . Actually , today , full loss is joining the other team . It's not just like fighting a last stand and dying , it's joining the other team .
So one of the things that we absolutely do have to learn that Alfred learned was this idea of cunning that he needed to learn how to be a shrewder operator than he was . He was being foolish in the way that he was relating to the enemy . He was expecting them to act honorably , according to the given rules of warfare .
You just have to realize in his age and in today's age that our enemies , they will do anything . There's no low they won't stoop to . There's no vow they won't break . There is no social moray . They will not trample underfoot . There's nothing . They will do literally anything to maintain power . They will gladly kill you and your children .
They would gladly give your entire nation away . They would do anything to have the power that they want . So you have to understand what Alfred learned is tactics , cunning , and Jesus lamented this that the sons of this age are more shrewd , more cunning than the sons of light , and that was a lament .
That wasn't a good thing they needed to learn how to have true piety , true righteousness , without being fools who are easily played patsies , idiots . They needed to learn cunning , and so I think that that's a really important point to take from Alfred is this concept of cunning ?
Yeah . So , in addition to that , the whole reason that Alfred had to retreat into the swamp was because some of his noblemen betrayed him . They sold him out , and so I think one of the lessons that is really important to learn is that it's quite obvious in this story and in our story who the enemy is . They have pink hair , their status .
They're trying to make you do stuff you don't want to do . It , put things in your body you don't want to put there . You know , make you comply . Yes , brian . Yes , make you comply with whatever gay laws that they . You know that they're shoving down your throat , but or other places .
But the thing that's actually really difficult to see are the people inside the camp that would sell you out . Yeah , go for it .
Yeah , yeah . I mean I think what's so hard is sort of the naming names . And there's guys in the middle right where you're like I hope they do well , I hope that maybe they turn .
But you'll watch trajectories of guys like a Kevin DeYoung and you're like , yeah , it'd be really cool if you stopped taking shots at all the right people and you haven't really seen courage on the right battlefronts . But I think it is helpful when you have these exiles , like David did in his life .
That's when he goes to the Cape of Adullum , that's when he gathers his 300 . And realizing I don't need 10,000 weak-willed men , I need 300 or three or four or five . I need a handful of hard men who are going to be faithful and courageous and there's zero I mean we're talking zero idea that they would betray you .
Yeah Right , having that close-knit circle of men that's going to be so much more pivotal in terms of the economies of trust and leadership and tribe , it would be better to have a small tribe of guys that trust you and you trust them . Yeah .
I agree with that and I think that's definitely true . One of the things that I would want to warn people against is blind trust from people that are actually in that camp .
So you look at a guy like Kevin D in the close-knit , tight camp .
Because you look at a Kevin D Young and does it really surprise you that when he punches right he was on the fringe anyway , or an Alistair bag . He's not like a big Christian nationalism or Christendom proponent .
But I want people to be prepared for the eventuality that someone that you really trust not that I know anything or that this sounds really ominous , but men are sinful and there is at some point going to be someone that you probably trust that will betray you . It's an inevitability , it happens over and over .
We've had some of our biggest lessons learned in terms of leading through reform , especially Dan and I , over the years . They've almost never been from outside . No , In fact virtually always been .
Will you say that again for the people in the back ?
I think that's really important . They've almost never been from outside , it's almost always been people from inside the camp that you start to drift in different directions and you think , well , they're on my team .
We don't agree about that , but they're on my team and the next thing you know is you feel the knife enter your back and it's not just a disagreement , it's like I will destroy you .
Yeah , yeah , and the thing is like , you expect a battle from Goethram right .
Yeah , of course .
He's a dain , like when he kills people . It's not the same as one of your friends yeah , who will take the heart of you yes , you know if they could , yeah , and so I think that's just something that and this is my main point Don't put your hope in men Right .
Even if you get that courageous leader who's leading from the front and he's fighting the battle , if he is the whole reason that you are fighting , then you've lost , because as soon as he falls , as soon as he betrays you , you'll lose heart .
It's important to keep the principles in mind , it's important to keep God's promises in mind , and so I just don't want anybody to lose heart if and when someone fails them .
Yeah , because it's going to happen in your small circles . It's certainly going to happen on all the levels .
It's interesting too because somebody like Alfred if you read his biography then you find out that he really was successful because he had sons who followed him and carried on his legacy and really men and people from the Witton and all sorts of people that he trained .
It was a strong team , is my point , and I think part of the warning that I would give to people too , is most people don't have a tribe , first of all , and second , they think that somebody they're following online is their tribe and it's like okay , that can be okay-ish if it leads you to actually finding a real tribe in a real place with real people .
But making sure people aren't just like cosplay larping . And then I think also just saying like part of the strength we've found here is it's not all dependent on Dan , it's good looking as he is .
Wow . Not everything depends on Dan . No one has ever said that to me . I am going to remember this moment the rest of my life , Even though you were mocking me . I take it as an example .
Choose not to hear any sarcasm . Choose to hear what you want to hear . Ken , Hear what you want .
That's right , actually . So back to the vows and the betrayal . I can't help but think that Alfred's retreat into the swamp , as strategic as it appears , was partly because of the pain of betrayal . So you have to understand his elder men , his leaders . They would meet at his table in a hall . He was thrown .
He sat at a table with his men , with his elder men , his other leaders , and he would give them gifts . They would exchange gifts . He would give them a lot of wealth , but the most potent gift that he would give to his men were rings . This is where Tolkien gets the ring , you know , in Sauron . The rings for the men . Yeah , the rings for men .
The elves for the dwarves . Yeah , I want a ring , yeah , and so these were Maybe one ring to rule them all . I know these were Alfred's ring bearers . In exchange , they gave him vows . These were the men that were actually closest with Alfred . So , anyway , just keep that in mind as you go forward . Because Alfred didn't lose heart .
He didn't lose his eye for the vision that the English people , what would soon be the English people , the Saxon people , who were under the blood of Christ , covered by the blood of Christ , would defeat the pagan nations , and he would not abandon them to the pagan Vikings and their brutal sacrifice or sexual immorality , all of the horrors that they brought with
them . And he did not lose heart , but he fought , he assembled men and one men to his cause and eventually one . So that's the thing I want people to remember is that it's the principles of the fight , not the man .
Absolutely Love it . Well , as we wrap things up , I do want to make a quick plug , for again , the day was fault . That is our Patreon exclusive show . We're going to have a lot more coverage on Alfred . There is Dan , a lot more to his story . That is maybe even more pivotal than anything we've talked about here .
Yes , so we want to encourage you to check that out . We'll talk about a number of things . Alfred did a lot . He changed educational policy , monetary policy , government policy and a whole lot more . But maybe the most pivotal of all , he was all about building Christian burrows , Christian towns . We're going to have a conference on that .
We're going to talk more about it in the day is vault . So be sure to sign up on Patreon . For as little as $5 a month you can get access to early episodes , add free and then special content like the day is vault . Brian , I am going to turn things over to you for the charge and benediction for our dearest of all listeners .
I've got you , you've got you , I've got you .
Well , listeners , you know there are many lessons that we could take from the story of Alfred , and I think everybody's going to need to take different ones .
But the one that will allow you to do that most effectively not just with Alfred , but with any of the stories that we tell you from the first Christendom is the humility that Alfred had to look through his own life and to see his own mistakes and to truly turn from and learn from those mistakes . Be men who are humble and courageous right .
Be men who have true piety but also boldness . Be men who are willing to fight the right battles , and even to fight those battles .
If it looks like you're going to lose because in every life that's lived faithfully to Christ there are likely going to be battles like that You're going to have to stand down and say you know , one out of five , I make it through the way that I'd like to and I'm going to fight nonetheless .
Be a man like Theoden , who said no , we do not have a hope of victory , but we will meet them in battle nonetheless . That final reference was especially for Dan in his benefit in the Lord of the Rings .
And also Han Solo . Never tell me the odds .
One of Brian's favorites . That's right . Oh , Star Wars is dumb . I love Lord of the Rings .
Let's just let the record show . I just try not to be cliched .
Anyway , have that humble , have that humble courage , have righteous faith and go out . And the thing is , at the end of the day , what we have to remember is that the Lord is on our side . The Lord is on our side whether we stand alone or whether we stand in the multitude , and so don't be the man that flees the shield wall .
Keep your shield up firm and fight the good fight of the faith . We'll see you next time in the King's Hall .