New approaches to legal service delivery are propelling us into the future. Don’t get left behind! AI and automations are making alternative service delivery easier and more efficient than ever. Dennis & Tom welcome Mathew Kerbis to learn more about his expertise in subscription-based legal services. As always, stay tuned for the parting shots, that one tip, website, or observation that you can use the second the podcast ends. Have a technology question for Dennis and Tom? Call their Tech Qu...
Jul 14, 2025•49 min•Season 1Ep. 395
Summer is the perfect time for travel, and the right tech tools can help you get even more enjoyment out of your wanderings! Dennis & Tom talk through a comprehensive list of travel-focused technology to assist with planning, organization, security, and comfort. Whether you're heading out for business or leisure, the guys offer a variety of practical tips to help you travel smarter. As always, stay tuned for the parting shots, that one tip, website, or observation that you can use the second...
Jun 27, 2025•43 min•Season 1Ep. 394
Legal practice technologies help you provide better, more efficient services for your clients, but how do you leverage them to improve your practice? Dennis & Tom talk with Sarah McCormick about her collaborative tech approach that helps lawyers understand how to apply technology in legal practice. They discuss everyday essentials in legal tech, AI applications for both lawyers and law students, and Sarah also shares insights from her unique career path leading to expertise in legal operatio...
Jun 13, 2025•52 min•Season 1Ep. 393
Much of our AI exposure comes from the media headlines highlighting its best and worst-case scenarios, but does that give attorneys an accurate view of AI’s uses and capabilities? Dennis and Tom talk with Uwais Iqbal about his work in the legal AI space and his focus on helping attorneys understand and implement AI in legal practice. Uwais emphasizes the importance of educating lawyers on the basics of AI so that they can move forward with discernment in tech acquisition to enhance both workflow...
May 30, 2025•49 min•Season 1Ep. 392
Determining which legal technology is best for your law firm can seem like a daunting task, so Legaltech Hub does the hard work for you! In another edition of Fresh Voices, Dennis and Tom talk with Nikki Shaver, CEO at Legaltech Hub, about her in-depth knowledge of technology and AI trends. Nikki shares what effective tech strategies should look like for attorneys and recommends innovative tools for maintaining best practices in modern law firms. Learn more at legaltechnologyhub.com. As always, ...
May 16, 2025•46 min•Season 1Ep. 391
Of course AI will continue to make waves, but what other important legal technologies do you need to be aware of in 2025? Dennis and Tom give an overview of legal tech tools—both new and old—you should be using for successful, modernized legal workflows in your practice. They recommend solutions for task management, collaboration, calendars, projects, legal research, and more. Later, the guys answer a listener's question about online prompt libraries. Are there reputable, useful prompts availabl...
May 02, 2025•42 min•Season 1Ep. 390
Copilot is a powerful tool for lawyers, but are you making the most of it within your Microsoft apps? Tom Mighell is flying solo at ABA TECHSHOW 2025 and welcomes Microsoft’s own Ben Schorr to the podcast. Ben shares expert insights into how lawyers can implement Copilot’s AI-assistance to work smarter, not harder. From drafting documents to analyzing spreadsheets to streamlining communication, Copilot can handle the tedious tasks so you can focus on what really matters. Ben shares numerous use-...
Apr 18, 2025•36 min•Season 1Ep. 389
Not a week goes by without another new AI tool hitting the market, and this flood of product choices can be incredibly overwhelming for any consumer, lawyers included. So, how do attorneys figure out what they need and which tools are trustworthy? Dennis and Tom talk through the many categories of AI tools and explain how learning to use major LLM tools is essential in understanding AI’s uses and capabilities. They discuss ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, and Copilot to give legal professionals a sense ...
Apr 04, 2025•53 min•Season 1Ep. 388
Legal teams work best when their operations run smoothly and efficiently, and developing innovations must be kept in mind as teams hone their legal operations strategies. Dennis and Tom talk with legal tech experts Amy Brookbanks and Michael Kennedy about their work helping lawyers and in-house legal teams work through problems with effective technology solutions. They discuss strategies for defining necessities in workflows to help lawyers understand how to implement technology to optimize thei...
Mar 21, 2025•58 min•Season 1Ep. 387
Courts matter, and the rule of law is essential to the success of our judicial system. However, collectively, we often do not fully understand the impact of courts on the wellbeing of society. In a wide-ranging discussion, Dennis and Tom talk with Jason Tashea about his perspectives on legal technology and its current impacts in the legal field, particularly in courts and information systems.They discuss potential technology and AI deployments in efforts for access to justice, and Jason points o...
Mar 07, 2025•47 min•Season 1Ep. 386
Sooner than later, those without competent AI use will be viewed as backwards or even bizarre, so lawyers must strive to work with AI now to keep up with its developments. With loads of AI expertise to draw from, Peter Duffy joins Dennis and Tom to share his thoughts on the overall landscape of legal technology and lawyer engagement with AI. They talk over his career path, forecast future trends, and discuss the massive benefit of integrating technology solutions in your legal practice. As alway...
Feb 21, 2025•45 min•Season 1Ep. 385
According to Tom, ABA TECHSHOW is one of the most accessible conferences out there! They strive to make technology approachable for all levels of experience—whether you’re a newbie or a tech expert, there’s a whole slew of great opportunities for learning about legal tech and engaging in social events. As seasoned TECHSHOW veterans, Dennis and Tom discuss the breadth of the conference experience and offer advice for attendees. Later, the guys use generative AI tools to see what the top potential...
Feb 07, 2025•41 min•Season 1Ep. 384
Artificial intelligence has masses of potential for improving the legal world, and we should certainly expect it to become integral to the practice as we move into the future. With that reality in mind, today’s law students need to be educated on ethics, uses, and ongoing developments in AI. In this episode, Tom talks to Dennis about his classes dedicated to teaching Michigan law students about AI and the law. Due to the current rapidity of AI innovations, education on this topic must be extreme...
Jan 24, 2025•43 min•Season 1Ep. 383
New year, new goals! Dennis and Tom share their tech resolutions for the upcoming year and take a look back to see how they did on their goals from 2024. As might be expected, AI continually expands in the tech and legal worlds, so AI is prominent amongst the guys’ resolutions. They talk about their hopes for new AI implementations, thoughts on streamlining tech, social media in the post-Twitter era, additional work on their Second Brain projects, and more. Later, the guys ponder the question: h...
Jan 10, 2025•41 min•Season 1Ep. 382
It’s tradition, y’all! Dennis, Tom, and Debbie Foster are together again for their year-end Pardon the Interruption podcast episode. Beginning with “Toss-Up”, they take on opposing views on legal tech issues (GenAI, collaboration, adoption, etc.). For their “What’s the Word?” segment, they choose the best descriptors for 2024’s trending tech, and then finish up with “Hot or Not?” to rank current tech offerings. Tom is rumored to be the favorite in this year’s matchup—can he retain his crown? As ...
Dec 27, 2024•48 min•Season 1Ep. 381
The world of AI and legal tech is evolving ever more rapidly, and it is all too common for lawyers to feel intimidated at the thought of keeping up with the constant barrage of change. How should lawyers maintain their tech competence? Dennis and Tom talk with Ilona Logvinova about her work in tech and AI innovations for lawyers. She shares her career journey and offers perspectives on leveraging technology to create new and better opportunities for attorneys to thrive in their work. As always, ...
Dec 13, 2024•43 min•Season 1Ep. 380
Happy Black Friday, everyone! Time to join in on the shopping frenzy, and fill up your cart with tech tools that meet every conceivable need. If you’re not sure what to get, Dennis and Tom are at the ready with a carefully curated list of the best tech on the market in 2024. They share their recommendations for which phone/tablet upgrades are worth your while, utilitarian and luxury gadgets that make life run a little more smoothly, charging stations for every possible use-case, cognition booste...
Nov 29, 2024•53 min•Season 1Ep. 379
For another perspective on tech—this time with a focus on law schools, students, and new lawyers—Dennis and Tom welcome Professor Nicole Morris of Emory University School of Law. With her strong connection to future generations of lawyers, Nicole offers insights into the state of tech competence amongst aspiring legal professionals, and, surprisingly, it may not be quite what we typically imagine. They go on to discuss genAI’s implications in legal writing, tech and collaboration in law schools,...
Nov 15, 2024•48 min•Season 1Ep. 378
As you may have discovered on your own, genAI tools are ready and enthusiastic with their outputs, but may be woefully ill-informed, in spite of the snappy replies they spew out with unfettered confidence. So, what is being done to remedy this issue? Dennis and Tom explain how Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG) combines AI’s LLMs with more current external information, addressing problems arising from outdated LLM data. The guys talk through some of their favorite tools that employ RAG effecti...
Nov 01, 2024•48 min•Season 1Ep. 377
As genAI continues to edge into all facets of our lives, Dr. Megan Ma has been exploring integrations for this technology in legal, but, more importantly, how it can help lawyers and law students hone their legal skills. Dennis and Tom talk with Dr. Ma about her work and career path and many of the latest developments in legal tech. They take a deep dive into a variety of burgeoning AI tools and trends, and Dr. Ma discusses how her interdisciplinary mindset has helped her develop a unique perspe...
Oct 18, 2024•51 min•Season 1Ep. 376
Lawyers have long been hesitant to adopt technology, but the rapid advancements in generative AI have sparked a new curiosity in many attorneys. Are we heading toward a mindset shift in the profession and a swift increase in tech use? Dennis and Tom welcome Cat Moon to the podcast to get her take on the current state of AI and other technologies in the legal world. Drawing from her expertise in working with both practicing attorneys and law students, Cat shares insights on experimentation in her...
Oct 04, 2024•1 hr•Season 1Ep. 375
Piquing curiosity in legal technology is the first step to helping lawyers engage with and acquire modern tech for their practice. Dennis and Tom welcome Caitlin McCabe to hear her perspectives on inspiring interest and enthusiasm for technology in the legal world. Caitlin discusses her role at BARBRI and how they continue to leverage technology to help law students study for the bar exam. She talks about her career path and her excitement for innovation and learning in the practice of law. As a...
Sep 20, 2024•38 min•Season 1Ep. 374
Amy Conroy has found that communicating the “why” behind data science is critical to helping lawyers understand and appreciate what role it can play in legal practice. Dennis and Tom welcome Amy to discuss her expertise in data, legal AI, and many other aspects of legal technology. Amy shares insights on problem-solving tactics for everyday tasks, the rise of data-driven legal practice, collaboration tools, and much more. As always, stay tuned for the parting shots, that one tip, website, or obs...
Sep 06, 2024•47 min•Season 1Ep. 373
How can technology help self-represented litigants have better outcomes in our legal systems? Amanda Brown considers exactly that on a daily basis in her role at the Lagniappe Law Lab, a justice tech non-profit in Louisiana. Dennis and Tom talk with Amanda about her perspectives on the justice gap and legal technology and how tech adoption, collaboration, and promoting further tech growth can help improve access to justice for underserved populations. As always, stay tuned for the parting shots,...
Aug 23, 2024•41 min•Season 1Ep. 372
The all-too-common deterioration of internet platforms seems to lead users through a bait and switch that leaves them with little more than a bunch of crap. Why do platforms tend to start off with appealing, engaging features that eventually disappear? Dennis and Tom talk about a recently coined term, which, for the purposes of this podcast, they call “encrappification”, and what, if anything, can be done to stop it. Later, the guys discuss the pros and cons of employing general use AI platforms...
Aug 09, 2024•42 min•Season 1Ep. 371
When Jackie Schafer started learning about AI in 2020, she had an intuitive feeling that it was going to bring big changes to the legal profession. Since then, she has worked with AI to improve legal writing technology for greater efficiency and accuracy. Dennis and Tom talk with Jackie about her perspectives on broader legal technology, competency, collaboration, and more. She also gives insights into her experience founding Clearbrief and offers tips on how to integrate the latest technology i...
Jul 26, 2024•45 min•Season 1Ep. 370
Is there a need for the legal tech community together for more informal chats about the latest happenings in the industry? Dennis envisions chat sessions, group Zooms, unconferences, and more, but Tom isn’t so sure those types of get-togethers would be appealing to him. They hash out their thoughts on encouraging conversations and idea sharing in the legal tech community and which collaboration approaches might appeal to a wide range of people. Later, ChatGPT asks a question about whether the er...
Jul 12, 2024•45 min•Season 1Ep. 369
To gain a new perspective on technology from outside the US, Dennis and Tom welcome UK-based legal business consultant Jack Shepherd. Jack offers his thoughts on how European tech approaches may differ from that in US law firms and talks about competence, tech learning, collaboration, AI trends, and more. As always, stay tuned for the parting shots, that one tip, website, or observation that you can use the second the podcast ends. Have a technology question for Dennis and Tom? Call their Tech Q...
Jun 28, 2024•47 min•Season 1Ep. 368
Blogs were a colorful, dynamic part of the internet in their heyday, but how do they fit into our world today? Dennis and Tom take a hard look at the latest trends in legal blogs and whether this form of social media/information sharing is still successfully maintaining its corner of internetland. They discuss their own blogging habits, or lack thereof, and offer their thoughts on common trends in modern blogging. Later, ChatGPT asks the guys what the biggest issues in legal tech are today, and ...
Jun 14, 2024•45 min•Season 1Ep. 367
There’s a new iPad on the market… Do lawyers need it? New, shiny tech is always a temptation for Dennis and Tom, and right now they’re mulling over this latest Apple offering and whether its potential uses for attorneys make it worth the investment. They discuss reviews, new upgrades, uses in legal practice, laptop/phone/tablet comparisons, and more. In their second segment, Chat GPT asks the guys: Will they use AI to write a new intro to the podcast? Well, Suno, a new tool, might just be the th...
May 31, 2024•45 min•Season 1Ep. 366
