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[SPEAKER_01]: First bet offer today. [SPEAKER_03]: Did it, did it? [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking smash mouth, all star rusters officially revealed starters, reserves, and pitchers were going to go through that. [SPEAKER_02]: I got to say my piece on the Washington Nationals. [SPEAKER_02]: That was a weird time to fire both of them. [SPEAKER_02]: And you, Darvish, he's getting activated for the San Diego Padre. [SPEAKER_02]: So we've got that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They never fire people mid-season, but when Miami was in DC a couple weeks ago, I said to you like that team is dead. [SPEAKER_02]: I would be stunned if Davey Martinez made a pass the next week or so because that was the same time that he said, it's never on the coaches. [SPEAKER_02]: The coaches worked their ass off all the time. [SPEAKER_02]: Like that was his tie raided that he went on according to the Washington Post.
[SPEAKER_02]: That left the clubhouse pissed off and dismayed and everything like that. [SPEAKER_02]: He lost it at that point. [SPEAKER_02]: I was not expecting them to part ways with my grizzo, but on a scale of one ten on the shock meter, I was like an eight when I got that news on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Davey part was unsurprising after the the comments and everything the riso part definitely you figured they let him finish the year out I mean you even see what's happening and it's much less extreme cardinals have not been playing poorly but even with mosaic right he's been there for so long he has achieved a lot like [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to let him kind of ease out on his own terms.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought maybe Rizzo had earned that, but at the same time, it's been so ugly for the last few years, and there's just been so many swings and misses outside the Soto trade, as I talked about in the last episode, that it didn't fully form me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say probably like a six and a half, seven, but when you start to go back and think about how the national's operate, the fact that they have the number one pick coming up and the timing of everything, [SPEAKER_00]: It did make it a little bit more surprising, and I think what it ultimately does boil down to is I think there had to be some things going on behind closed doors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anything, I've just, they must have been, you know, by day, Mike Rizzo and ownership, the learners, button heads a little bit more than usual. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, when things aren't going well, it gets even worse. [SPEAKER_00]: And some of those things that maybe you were sitting on and didn't say for a while come out, because I go back to the quote, and I'm trying to find proper attribution to this. [SPEAKER_00]: but watching the post.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was that quote from Resos basically I've navigated this ownership group for twenty years. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what it was? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I've navigated or I've put up with it. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine to get right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you didn't say put up, it essentially was implied. [SPEAKER_00]: That that said something to me a little bit too. [SPEAKER_02]: Hundred percent, man. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was from the Washington Post, I know. [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, it's behind a paywall. [SPEAKER_02]: I want to find this. [SPEAKER_02]: It was Barry's for Luga that tweeted it out. [SPEAKER_02]: SVR LUGA. [SPEAKER_02]: He said something along the lines. [SPEAKER_02]: Mike Rizzo said something along the lines of, you know, I've navigated this ownership group for twenty years. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the job. [SPEAKER_00]: The quote, the son will come up tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the job I had a great run, navigated that ownership group for almost twenty years. [SPEAKER_00]: So that implies that he had to work around them. [SPEAKER_00]: The success was despite them. [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of how that came off to me. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's just sometimes how things go when you unfortunately end on not the best of terms. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought the tandem firing was interesting too.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it feels like a little bit of ownership trying to take attention away from themselves. [SPEAKER_00]: Like Ken Rosenthal alluded to, I do agree with that side of things. [SPEAKER_00]: But I can also understand the side of it, which is we have the number one overall pick. [SPEAKER_00]: We do have some core pieces here. [SPEAKER_00]: We have a guy that could be a superstar. [SPEAKER_00]: I think really is a superstar in the making here in James Wood.
[SPEAKER_00]: We want to turn the page, and what better time to turn the page than before the number one overall pick is holding our jersey with different people at the press conference. [SPEAKER_00]: That's just kind of how I saw it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit more symbolic. [SPEAKER_00]: And whether you think that makes sense or not, [SPEAKER_00]: I think with the number one pick and almost makes it make a little bit more sense to me than if it wasn't the number one pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you're taking. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it makes less sense to me because Mike Rizzo is a scout at heart like he cut his teeth in the scouting department and he is very hands-on when it comes to the draft. [SPEAKER_00]: But the decisions probably made. [SPEAKER_02]: You would think so? [SPEAKER_00]: I do think so. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I bet they're close. [SPEAKER_02]: I bet it's at the opposing one yard line, but I wonder if that decision is already made.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's a K to Anderson, then okay, cool. [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, they also may feel like, oh, well, it's really hard to screw up the number one pick this year. [SPEAKER_02]: If you go with a holiday and keep him in the DMV with his brother or you go with a K to Anderson at LSU, they're not getting dunked on either side.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes a lot of sense that they could do it now, but I thought the timing was weird given Mike Rizzo's scouting background a couple takeaways from his quote in the Washington Post number one great perspective on the Sun will come up tomorrow had a great run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mike Rizzo is going to have another job as a special advisor in which ever front office he chooses this guy figured out a way to win a world series and he managed to get [SPEAKER_02]: a trade turner and a max surzer and a Bryce Harper and a Stephen Strasperg and a one soda like I understand one soda was a big ticket IFA guy and Harper and Strasperg were slam dunk number ones but I don't know man like and then you have that for those guys though too.
[SPEAKER_00]: What nothing to show for those guys other than soda or two is the tough part. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, you've got a fifty million dollar catcher who's not good. [SPEAKER_02]: He's the show for sure's our intern and then Josiah Gray who's is his arm attached to his body anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: I hope so. [SPEAKER_02]: I feel really bad for Josiah Gray, but for me, I look at this roster and I'm with you. [SPEAKER_02]: The soda trade slam dunk aside from that it's so far away.
[SPEAKER_02]: The worst roster in major league baseball. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not close. [SPEAKER_00]: It is aside if you remove the soda trade play. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: and I know like you can't fully do that but again it just shows you that the one opportunity here where you trade the best asset to the team that is the most aggressive in their trades and most willing to give up you know good prospects even just to put in perspective even if [SPEAKER_00]: They went a different route. [SPEAKER_00]: If they said, you know what, we don't like James Wood. [SPEAKER_00]: We're all, it has to be Jackson mayor would have went well that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there were still iterations of it that still would have went well. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it pretty much the Padre's farm was in a spot where you weren't gonna miss. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the thing, as long as you were trading with the Padre's and I'm glad they made that decision, but ultimately is because the Padre's were the most willing to go crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: So like, do you reward him for that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't [SPEAKER_00]: not, but at the same time when you don't do anything else. [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're deeming over the last few years. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't really earn that benefit of the doubt. [SPEAKER_00]: And I agree when you look at the rest of the roster aside from, you know, what's own crews heard, of course, that hurts the case, too. [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, talk about this renowned scout, but the last few years drafting wise has been rough, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest note for me, I saw Lance Bristowski tweet yesterday. [SPEAKER_02]: The National's bats have had a bottom three X-Walba in the minors for three straight seasons. [SPEAKER_02]: And the pictures have had a bottom three strikeout to walk right in the minors in each of the last three seasons. [SPEAKER_02]: So over the past three years, they've been bottom three in X-Walba in bottom three and strikeout to walk as a pitching staff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they don't care how hard you throw ball four. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love those signs. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll make fun of that until the day I die, but at the end of the day, man, like you can't be good when the farm is always this bad. [SPEAKER_02]: You will never be good because then you go. [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I take that back.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could be good if you paid for the mid-level free agent or the top flight free agent, but they're going in the mics to rock and to thin your low range where they're trading for Nathaniel low for a middle reliever that's actually decent for Texas, but low they still owe nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then they're shopping for Josh Bell and they get him and then they extend K-Bert Ruiz to a, you know, I understand team friendly, but that guy's one of the worst catchers in Major League Baseball. [SPEAKER_02]: It's, there are a lot of different avenues that they have gone wrong. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just struggling to pinpoint whether it's entirely microzo or it's microzo being nudged by the learners. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing that kind of screws me up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I think that's where my Rizzo's frustration probably comes is like, you haven't let me spend, you know, you haven't let me, you know, since we did spend, right, since we did lock up Scherzer and I know Strasburg went poorly, but that's not his fault, right? [SPEAKER_00]: That's nobody's fault other than just unfortunate circumstances.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe someone say I wouldn't give him that deal after it's so easy to say when you didn't just win the World Series, we see that happen all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: The aspect that I can understand from Rizzo is probably, hey, I had to try to work within the margins more than I should have needed to, and that made my life a lot more difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that could be viewed as a part of it, but then you could also say, well, he spent on, you know, even if you don't want to fully blip him for Straussburg, you can blip him for Patrick Corbin, and that didn't age very well. [SPEAKER_00]: And things like that, but you could also say that, [SPEAKER_00]: He never had a chance to retain any of his stars.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know they gave a pretty decent offer to Soto, but Harper ends up leaving, Turner ends up leaving, they ended up trading even after that contract. [SPEAKER_00]: They put him in a spot where it is hard to build. [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to operate, you know, like a team that isn't the brewers of the world in the race, the world. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how the Nats. [SPEAKER_00]: I think ownership wanted to operate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's not how Rizzo is wired. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not how he cut his teeth coming up. [SPEAKER_00]: So it was probably a mismatch that [SPEAKER_00]: Like glass to too long. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I will say, I understand the idea of getting rid of both of them in tandem because they were attached to the hip, Rizzo and Davey Martinez. [SPEAKER_02]: Martinez, he could have been an extension of Mike Rizzo in the dugout.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Davey Martinez, old school guy, when an old school guy loses the clubhouse, you are so beyond screwed. [SPEAKER_02]: It's unbelievable because that's all we have at that point. [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about that the other day, like even with like Bochi and what's going on in Texas. [SPEAKER_02]: And he lost the clubhouse, it was done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Bochi is lost in the respect that nobody respects him, but I think it's at the point where maybe Bochi in this situation with the Rangers is just, I don't know if he's got enough in the tank to get this team back in maneuver and do the day-to-day, I think that goes with it if you really, really want to shift the culture in there. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's more of a guy that could oversee a clubhouse that is already intact and in a really good spot and whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they clearly have some moving parts, some young players, things like that, and it hasn't gone well. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I, I have a, I love Bochi, and I, I, it's so hard, but watching that guy walk out to the mound, man. [SPEAKER_00]: It stops with it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's really tough. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even, I don't know if that even applies to this, but I see that. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think about the rigor of one sixty-two with a struggling team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, is that the guy to, to get you right? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that's kind of an aside. [SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Poears comments only added fuel to that fire. [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it wasn't directed at Boachy. [SPEAKER_00]: It was just the clubhouse. [SPEAKER_02]: The clubhouse here, right? [SPEAKER_00]: When an older guy or just a vet manager, [SPEAKER_00]: does is not able to shift the culture or just kind of detaches a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see those guys is being able to dive back in there and and be able to get dirty and try to make it right because they're going to say, Hey, you guys should just be going about your business the right way. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: I will say Bochi rallied the troops in twenty three and he was making mountain visits after the hip surgery as well in twenty three.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to give him, I'm going to give him a pass on the hip on the hip deal, but [SPEAKER_02]: I just wonder like where the energy is to try and get a train back on the tracks. [SPEAKER_02]: Davey Martinez ran out of energy to do that and Davey Martinez is noticeably younger than Bochi and Terry Francona and Brian Snitker. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the other one that I'm thinking about right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Snit, there's another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does Snit have the drive to try and get that train back on the tracks? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Does he want to be on what he can even do? [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't blame him, man. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just bizarre to me. [SPEAKER_02]: And the whole idea of manager and manager impact is such an abstract concept to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much a certain guy will do, but I'd be curious to know like what Davey Martinez did to lose that clubhouse before the it's never on the coaches comments. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll all die on the hill that there, there are more escape goat than anything else. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I do think that the biggest area is, okay, team is floundering. [SPEAKER_00]: Can, can you get them to snap back in?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm always going to, you know, start to question sometimes with that floundering team with a really, with an older older manager if, and maybe that's, that's not, not fair, but like can, can he snap them back in or a veteran manager like that? [SPEAKER_00]: and it's not happening, then you wonder if just that method isn't working there, or if you need to shake up the roster, it's funny in Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_00]: I almost wonder if it's more of the roster thing where you have so many guys that just have these long-term guaranteed deals, they're all just hanging out. [SPEAKER_02]: Their struggles maybe are, it might be no urgency. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I was saying the struggles are met with the West Agency when you're already locked up on a deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in your situation, like Aussie Albeys is a six million dollar club option next year, eight million, whatever the hell it is. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: What's the urgency to get right? [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm sure he wants to, but it's just not the same. [SPEAKER_00]: Even Mike Harris, like, it's not totally the same. [SPEAKER_00]: And I imagine, you know, with some of the other guys, you can make that same case.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, I don't think Ronald Kunier has come back in an amazing, but is that your tone setter in the clubhouse? [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not. [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not. [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: The Rangers was a little bit more surprising to me with the vets that they have that that was a conversation. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some people always say that sometimes when they get cast aside. [SPEAKER_00]: So you never know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I am interested to see what the next managerial shoe to drop may be and what things look like at the end of the season because you have a lot of unique situations with a lot of well-respected managers who just maybe aren't doing it as well this year or their team, at least isn't. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and we saw the first shoe drop in Davey Martinez and Mike Rizzo couple of pictures before we get to the all stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: You, Darvish is making his season debut on Monday for the San Diego Padres and you take a peek at the game log in the minor leagues and you say where are all the games? [SPEAKER_02]: This guy threw on May, fourteenth in Triple A. He went four innings at two hit two run ball and that was it. [SPEAKER_02]: Where has he been? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to watch him pitch, but I'm curious what the ramp up has looked like.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what the major league season debut of you, Darvish will entail. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I am fascinated by that because, you know, he did look really sharp in that rehab outing earlier. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I don't know if they were, you know, I'm trying to find it was the goal to just kind of have him do it on the sides and work, you know, just [SPEAKER_00]: in non-real game settings, live babies, whatever it may be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Darvish at this point at at thirty eight years old, I think you could say whatever he wants to do, that guy can, he knows his body better than anybody, like what, what it be and let him go, but, you know, in that rehab outing back in May, he was through fifty one pitches average ninety four and a half, which is right where he was at last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you hope that he's somewhere in that range still and, and you know, he's, if he's throwing that velocities a huge, [SPEAKER_00]: huge addition to that rotation and helps them big time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think regardless, whatever they get, and I think that the talk was you'll be around seventy five pitches, even that just to have him opening up, I mean compared to some of the other guys that they've had to roll out there, you know, you've been getting a lot of anything from Kyle Hard and Steven Colick and things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even if it's a five and dive from Darvish, I think you're going to be quite happy, especially with that bullpen, and that's the encouraging thing with having a Darvish is he can five and dive, and you have that bullpen that can take over and be put in a pretty good spot. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited for the podgers. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see them have full strength and be able to push this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're one game away from really being able to knock off the Dodgers last year. [SPEAKER_00]: You look at the ball club overall. [SPEAKER_00]: It's still a good team, but I want to see King. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see Darvish. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see them add, which they will. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see this team full fledged. [SPEAKER_00]: What does it look like? [SPEAKER_00]: And at least this is a step towards that, which is encouraging.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, apparently this is from Kevin A.C. [SPEAKER_02]: the San Diego Union Tribune. [SPEAKER_02]: Darvish through two sim games in the last twelve days hit the sixty four pitch mark in his most recent Mike Schilt apparently told reporters the team trusted Darvish to manage his own rehab. [SPEAKER_02]: How much ramp up work was required as well. [SPEAKER_02]: So it was really ball and you Darvish's court and okay we go from there. [SPEAKER_00]: I backed that up, dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, you'd harvest whatever he thinks is right. [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be thirty nine. [SPEAKER_00]: That guy throws eight hundred different kinds of pitches. [SPEAKER_00]: And he is a pitching savant. [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever you think, man, go, go right ahead. [SPEAKER_02]: And Darvish was amazing last year when you just take a peek at what this guy did at the Major League level last year. [SPEAKER_02]: Sixteen starts at a three three ERA.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was seven and three when he was on the mound. [SPEAKER_02]: He was nails. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm with him trust me. [SPEAKER_00]: He's maneuvered a lot of injuries through the years. [SPEAKER_00]: So I keep for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: He knows he knows himself. [SPEAKER_02]: for sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Real quick, and I know you guys probably hit on this quickly. [SPEAKER_02]: Brandon Woodruff, man. [SPEAKER_00]: I got a front row seat to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did talk about it, obviously, because that was just, it was a master class, but I mean, you called it. [SPEAKER_00]: So, like, yeah, I mean, break it down from your perspective. [SPEAKER_02]: You were, were you watching a read just keeping tabs? [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you have Gabby and I overlaid? [SPEAKER_00]: I did. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you, did you hear how much we were like laughing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, every single time we're like he can't keep doing this and then he kept on doing it. [SPEAKER_02]: What I mean is not ninety eight like not the Woodruff that we saw before he had the the shoulder capsule issue at the end of twenty three. [SPEAKER_02]: This guy was dotting ninety two. [SPEAKER_02]: He was putting it literally wherever he wanted. [SPEAKER_02]: There are a couple of starts that jump out to me so far this year against the Marlins.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wheeler had one and Wheeler obviously complete game on Sunday. [SPEAKER_02]: That was ridiculous. [SPEAKER_02]: But Wheeler had a start against the Marlins earlier this year where he was putting his fastball literally wherever he wanted. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to make Rift Break that one down when we get him on the Wheeler starts. [SPEAKER_02]: Have them do the Schwellenbach one too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now and now one was whole that that that I think is one of the best individual command performances I've ever seen. [SPEAKER_02]: So Schwellenbach had that Woodruff was right there for me. [SPEAKER_02]: This guy was putting every single pitch exactly where it needed to be. [SPEAKER_02]: He was lining the perimeter of the strike zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the K-box, if you were to overlay his pitch mix on the K-box, it would cover pretty much every square inch of the perimeter of the strike zone. [SPEAKER_02]: And then he would drop the change up low. [SPEAKER_02]: He would start at the knees and it would dive off. [SPEAKER_02]: And then the sweeper would start on the outside edge and bend off. [SPEAKER_02]: a master class in location that I was watching.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was floored and I was laughing at how impeccable the command was and his first start back in the big leagues in six hundred and fifty days. [SPEAKER_02]: No one should be able to do that, but he did it. [SPEAKER_00]: He threw two pitches of his seventy that had a strike probability of less than five percent. [SPEAKER_00]: So basically every other pitch, you know, was was had a shot. [SPEAKER_00]: Even if it wasn't a good pitch, it wasn't bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: He really had no non competitive pitches. [SPEAKER_00]: It was it was really impressive to see seventy-six percent strike rate overall and then seeing that he's still had that six like he could grab a six when he needed to and I know that's what you guys were like oh wow he grabbed a six and elevated it's like having that force him or up at the top to be able to to do that still I think is this is a a little bit of a reinvented version of him which I think could
[SPEAKER_00]: pitching the big leagues for a very long time, so it was really encouraging to see. [SPEAKER_00]: I think some of this may actually be a bit of self-preservation just showing, showing that six to me, and he did it a couple times. [SPEAKER_00]: He has it in there, but I think realizing, hey, let me dot up, ninety three, ninety four, and I've got, you know, the assortment of pitches that are going to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's just I'm so happy to see him back and now his contract situation's interesting right because you have a guy now if he continues to throw this way and I know just one start and I'm sure he'll have you know a couple of human starts mixed in there as he just gets used to going again right it's twenty million dollar mutual option for next year next mutual options never get picked up ever don't think one's been picked up in like ten years but this might be one of the first mutual options to ever get picked up
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking about that. [SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking about it because if somebody says no to that twenty like obviously you both it is essentially both a club option and a player option at twenty million dollars. [SPEAKER_02]: So both sides need to say yes to one year for twenty. [SPEAKER_02]: Woodruff loves Milwaukee. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing that makes me think that he may just say yes to one for twenty and they rework something in the middle of next year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree. [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly do. [SPEAKER_00]: And that'll be electric. [SPEAKER_00]: We need to have like a celebration if the first mutual option is picked up. [SPEAKER_00]: And I legitimately think it definitely north of five years. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess till I always say I'm going to go check on that and I keep forgetting to. [SPEAKER_00]: But it definitely will be the first time in several years that we've seen a mutual option picked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be electric. [SPEAKER_02]: I just wonder what the pay structure would be like for Woodruff if it were to be turned out. [SPEAKER_02]: Like if he hit the open market, would it team give him a four year deal? [SPEAKER_00]: But it's the ten mil buyout even if he turns it down, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So my understanding is he's guaranteed seventeen point five. [SPEAKER_02]: So if the club option side is turned down, then he would get the ten million dollar buyout.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the balls in his court to make seventeen point five. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, that's that's really interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fascinated by that. [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I have no idea what he'll do. [SPEAKER_00]: I think there'd be a lot of interest in him clearly, but at the same time he's going to be thirty-three, thirty-four. [SPEAKER_00]: Might be a little bit different, but I would fully expect him to just stick there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That deal was a good faith deal by the brewers, and I think they deserve credit for that for a team that doesn't spend a ton. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it looks like it could be paying off, but at the same time, I think Woodruff may want to reciprocate that and stick around. [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to find a way to work it out. [SPEAKER_02]: He's a brewer.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something about him in a brewer's uniform that makes all the sense in the world and there's another guy like steal as a cub is going to make a lot of sense. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see Justin steal in a uniform other than Chicago at any point in his career because he's latched onto that.
[SPEAKER_02]: and Woodruff for me is just a brewer like he's going to stick around and he's going to be that guy apparently he loves Milwaukee and I'm with you good faith like the escalation from two and a half last year knowing that he was going to be on his ass to five this year knowing that he's going to be ramping up and may run into some trials and tribulations to twenty there it feels very glass now but it might actually happen like glass now it was that escalator knowing that Tampa was going to move him at some point
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think they make this one happen, especially with Hoskins off the books. [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope they do. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get to the all stars here in a moment. [SPEAKER_02]: But before that, quick break. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start with the nationally gall stars. [SPEAKER_02]: And here's how we're going to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to go starters, reserves, and pitchers. [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to mention guys that you feel really happy for guys that you say, are we sure? [SPEAKER_02]: And then notable snubs in each category as well. [SPEAKER_02]: So the starters, they're going to be no snubs because at the end of the day, it's a fan vote.
[SPEAKER_02]: The NL starters, you got Will Smith is the catcher, Freddie Freeman at first, could tell Marta at second, many Machado at third, Lindor at short. [SPEAKER_02]: The outfield is a Kunia PCA in Kyle Tucker. [SPEAKER_02]: And Otani is the DH. [SPEAKER_02]: Acunia was the interesting one to me. [SPEAKER_02]: I understand that the fans kind of control this. [SPEAKER_02]: I would have liked to see Corbin Carroll in that outfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have liked to see James Wood in that outfield. [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day, Acunia was dynamite as soon as he came off the interdly. [SPEAKER_02]: So I get it, man. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I, you know, I think people, if it was funny, I was joking with Peter on the last episode. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's valid, like there's always going to be a ton of synopsis.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can maybe argue there's been as many this year as ever because so many players are playing well. [SPEAKER_00]: And so many young players came on really strong in the last couple weeks, but the all start game at the end of the day is for the fans. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Ronald Acunia Jr. [SPEAKER_00]: did enough. [SPEAKER_00]: sense coming back to earn that given that he already gets the inside track as one of the game superstars. [SPEAKER_00]: So sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're one of the game superstars, you come back off of injury and then you're one of the best players in the game for a month. [SPEAKER_00]: I know that sounds unfair and I'm moving the goal post. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what all about when I'll start. [SPEAKER_00]: voting really is today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's valid and I know it sucks because certain players end up getting squeezed out and I think about an Andy Pahase who does get squeezed out who definitely it deserves to to be in all star. [SPEAKER_00]: I think of a say as a jooky who deserves to be in all star, but [SPEAKER_00]: Who do people want to see? [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be Ron O'Neill Jr. [SPEAKER_00]: And if he had a seven hundred OPS, even if he had an eight hundred OPS, it's coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't be here. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think you could even argue we could get to the mid eight hundredths. [SPEAKER_00]: And you'd say, okay, but he's not light in the world on fire or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: This guy has come back and been one of the best players of the major league baseball at thousand OPS, since coming back. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not twenty games. [SPEAKER_00]: It's forty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that he he earned that opportunity. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you also mentioned that it's in freaking Atlanta. [SPEAKER_00]: So that was going to that was going to be the icing on the cake anyways. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: The reserves is as it stands right now in the national league. [SPEAKER_02]: Hunter Goodman is a reserve catcher. [SPEAKER_02]: He is Colorado's token all star and I love this for Hunter Goodman.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a guy that I'm really happy for getting to the all star game. [SPEAKER_02]: Peter Lanzo, Ellie Delacruz, Brendan Donovan, fired up that he's in all star and Matt Olson is also there. [SPEAKER_02]: Are you hanging with Swara as is there from Arizona? [SPEAKER_02]: And then the outfielders, Corbin Carroll, Kyle Stowers in the Miami Marlins, Fernando Tatis, Jr. [SPEAKER_02]: and James Wood with Kyle Schwabber as the reserve DH. [SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of this was right.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a couple of notable omissions. [SPEAKER_02]: I understand Olson being there because he plays every game and again, it's in Atlanta. [SPEAKER_02]: Michael Bush over Olson, I think there was a serious case there. [SPEAKER_02]: Bush has been playing out of his freaking mind. [SPEAKER_02]: And I wish that he could be there, but there are too many cubs all stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sayos Suzuki probably deserves to be there over Michael Bush, but at the end of the day, I think both of them should be there. [SPEAKER_02]: Sayos leads Major League Baseball and RBIs. [SPEAKER_02]: How is the RBIs later? [SPEAKER_02]: Not in all start. [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe says something about the stat. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where we're at with that stat. [SPEAKER_00]: What's interesting, too, is again, this is like the conversation of guys coming on late.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Bush has been great all year, but he was only facing Rites essentially and had an eight fifty OPS up until June, twenty fourth. [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of this was locked in already. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't totally change the voting by going nuts for a week and supersede the week's prior of voting that accumulated. [SPEAKER_00]: You have a Michael Bush who I'm pretty sure increased his OPS by a hundred points. [SPEAKER_00]: And his last nine games. [SPEAKER_02]: Are you sure?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I thought it was already in the high. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was already in like the mid to high, eight hundredths. [SPEAKER_00]: So in, yeah, so June, twenty fifth, you get an eight fifty five, oh, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: Now it's nine fifty. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So he deserves it now, but that was, I mean, a lot of these votes happened four home runs ago, or do you know, I would say seven home runs ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the timing stuff said on Rafael, I kind of screwed in that regard too. [SPEAKER_00]: I even think you could say one photo. [SPEAKER_00]: It got squeezed out because the slow start. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I think what sucks with Soto is the optics of it all. [SPEAKER_00]: And he times Juan Soto struggles. [SPEAKER_00]: It becomes so dramatically overemphasized. [SPEAKER_00]: You think he would be absolutely sucking. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even when it was like, oh Juan Soto is off to a slow start. [SPEAKER_00]: He was fine. [SPEAKER_00]: And then, since he shook off that slow start quote unquote, he's been phenomenal. [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, Juan Sotoan is nine or four European should absolutely be in there as well. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's the the optics side of it. [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess just timing, which is, which is always interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: But would you say are Soto and Tatis?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't really think there's a case for it's at least who started really hot scorching hot and then I said a wall sense right if anything with all star it it pays to to start hot for sure finish hot in the first half
[SPEAKER_02]: a hundred percent and bush even though he finished as hot as anybody in baseball you mentioned he's top ten in op s firmly right now in the game should be an all star you should be an all start but you said what eight fifty five op s yeah by the end of June also on the year right now is at an eight fifty seven op s at the moment so like [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was, it was still close and I would have sided with Bush, but again, Olsen being in Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_02]: I totally understand that. [SPEAKER_02]: And Olsen has kind of been the one consistent, reliable piece for the Atlanta Braves before I go into your came back. [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think like it does hurt Bush's case up until recently that he just wasn't facing lefties, like ever. [SPEAKER_00]: Which is gonna impact your case a little bit, but I still agree Bush should be in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you could have like a last minute adjustment, I would definitely be one of them. [SPEAKER_02]: The only other guy I want to make sure we don't pass up is Trey Turner in Philadelphia. [SPEAKER_02]: Trey Turner has had an old start caliber first half, but Turner [SPEAKER_02]: got squeezed out since it needs an all star was led to the cruise. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, them's the breaks.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't have too too many short stops there, but trade turn or all star caliber is not there. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's all. [SPEAKER_00]: The second basement again. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, second basement is, I mean, they didn't take another donovan. [SPEAKER_02]: the reserve second baseman could tell martin Brendan Donovan. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a bit more like Donovan's a token also. [SPEAKER_00]: I have an extra short stop. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy for Brendan Donovan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I give me give me an extra short stop to a middle and field thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe you have to take one second baseman, but it could be like four middle and filters. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Because Tray Turner, I mean, he is having a spectacular season. [SPEAKER_00]: And he did really get screwed here as well. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what he's ninth and F four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's it's been really really fun to watch him do his thing this year and unfortunately yeah short stops at tough spot positionally gets it gets tough yeah it does all right and I'll pitchers [SPEAKER_02]: We've got Matthew Boyd going Mackenzie Gore, Clayton Kershaw, the legend pick. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna circle back on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Freddie Perralton Milwaukee, Robbie Ray in San Francisco, along with Logan Webb, Chris Sale, and Atlanta Paul schemes, Zach Wheeler, Yoshinobu, Yamamoto, and then the relievers, Jason Adam and San Diego, Edwin Diaz, and Randy Rodriguez in San Francisco. [SPEAKER_02]: I was pounding the pavement like two, three weeks ago. [SPEAKER_02]: I said, Randy Rodriguez should be in all star, and I'm so happy that Randy Rodriguez is in all star.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sub one ERA, [SPEAKER_02]: That guy deserves it. [SPEAKER_02]: He is disgusting and he is blowing up right now. [SPEAKER_02]: So fired up for Randy Rodriguez. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm fired up for Matthew Boyd and he that was a clinic on Sunday night baseball on Sunday. [SPEAKER_02]: Like man. [SPEAKER_02]: Boyd is having this career renaissance as is Robbie Ray. [SPEAKER_02]: This is a really fun group. [SPEAKER_02]: Yoshinobu Yamamoto going to the all-star game is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I get to the legend pick. [SPEAKER_02]: And I love Clayton Kershaw. [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate the greatness of Clayton Kershaw. [SPEAKER_02]: I loved watching, strike out number three thousand. [SPEAKER_02]: But if you sat Clayton Kershaw down and said, Hey, man, you're an all star and so and so isn't you think he's okay with that? [SPEAKER_00]: What was the deal on who got the first setting of the all star game in LA? [SPEAKER_00]: You remember that?
[SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Who got the start in LA and it was Kirishah even though we're all talking about who actually deserves it and that whole show, too. [SPEAKER_02]: Was it snow? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember correctly. [SPEAKER_00]: Kirishah got the start, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Kirishah did get the start. [SPEAKER_00]: Kirishah didn't deserve it. [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, he was still close. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't anything like this. [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's my statement. [SPEAKER_02]: He's made nine starts. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like do you think he's sitting there like yeah, I'm I'm really happy commissioner manford made me an all star this year. [SPEAKER_00]: If it was in LA maybe he already and he already you get to make his all star start in LA where I don't even know if you fully deserve that. [SPEAKER_00]: So like yeah, I like that aspect of the commissioner pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was cool when we had you know, pull, pull, say able to be involved in there, but I [SPEAKER_00]: It is, it is a little bit, it was a little bit interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you get some players squeezed out there that, you know, Christopher Sanchez had a really major, Ranger Suarez is throwing his ass off right now. [SPEAKER_02]: And he got squeezed out as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there are a lot of guys that were kind of left by the wayside because Clayton Kurtz shows a legend pick after nine starts of the three, four ERA. [SPEAKER_02]: I feel bad for the other guy. [SPEAKER_00]: I get for the other guy. [SPEAKER_00]: I fix every year though. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's a lot of times where I do like it. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I have anything majorly against it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing is the fact that he did already kind of get that like legends nod when he got the start in LA, even though he earned being in all start there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he fully deserved the start. [SPEAKER_02]: The other the other aspect of that I [SPEAKER_02]: I saw somebody on Twitter and I'm blank and who tweeted it. [SPEAKER_02]: I saw somebody say, if Khrusha was getting a legend pick, why isn't Verlander getting a legend pick?
[SPEAKER_02]: Verlander is what five years older than him? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is interesting too. [SPEAKER_00]: Why doesn't, why doesn't Justin Verlander get one? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't really think about that either because we haven't had, when saw something, we had Verlander as an all star.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... probably when he won the sion twenty twenty one twenty twenty two yeah when he won the sion yeah twenty two and i i i i don't know how much longer chairs or excuse me yeah how much longer verlander is going to do this thing verlander's forty two years old kursha i understand kursha like it feels closer to the end but kursha's a young thirty seven he's five years younger than verlander i literally think he only rehab through this shoulder thing one last time to get to three k but
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what makes what makes Kursha more worthy than than Verlander for the commissioners spot right in the fact maybe just Verlander might not be clear that this is last year and I think Kursha probably is pretty much said that. [SPEAKER_02]: put like when we run it back in twenty six what happens, you know, a Kirsha hasn't fully said that it's his last year he's like, oh, yeah, it's a touching field thing every single year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So are we going to get the legend pick every single year? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the other thing. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the other tools we knew. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pull those we knew pulls with this guy was it seemed like he was already half retired when he was playing in that. [SPEAKER_02]: He somehow emptied the tank after the all-star break, but man, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: It just rub me the wrong way when I see guys like Sanchez and Ranger left off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The AL Starters is a loaded bunch of folks and have a year bias. [SPEAKER_02]: The catcher for the American League is Cal Raleigh, no doubt. [SPEAKER_02]: Vladimir, the first baseman, Gleber Torres, the Tigers at second, Jose Ramirez at third. [SPEAKER_02]: Jacob Wilson won the fan vote. [SPEAKER_02]: He is the shortstop outfield judge, Riley Green, have a bias and Ryan O'Hurn. [SPEAKER_02]: By default, via the Rafi Devers trade is the starting de-H for the American League.
[SPEAKER_02]: really happy for Ryan O'Hurn. [SPEAKER_02]: Really happy for Jacob Wilson. [SPEAKER_02]: I love that this brand of baseball is sexy again. [SPEAKER_02]: Quans and all start to. [SPEAKER_02]: The American League is is starting to show the cycle of baseball turning back over to this bat to ball oriented game and you even see the game's best power bat striking back to bat to ball like getting that back a little bit. [SPEAKER_02]: But dude, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I like the fan vote. [SPEAKER_02]: I love that the royals can get five starters in their world series year. [SPEAKER_02]: I love that the Tigers got labor torres and and have a bias into the all-star game, but. [SPEAKER_02]: Deep breath. [SPEAKER_02]: That's my take. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you just, are you just not in on, on have a bias the all-star? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, like, bucks didn't hit his twentieth home or on Sunday. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's, that's my thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm court springer is not in there. [SPEAKER_02]: George Springer's not in there, and I'm saving my takes on that for the reserves. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: But Buckston is in all star, but he's not starting in center field because, you know, the fans showed out for hobby or bias. [SPEAKER_02]: And again, I got to respect the fan vote. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to they want to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm part of me is kind of wondering who wants to see him starting. [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely would rather see Byron, Buckston, but Tiger's friend is definitely showing out. [SPEAKER_00]: assure you because I've been tagged in every Riley Green home run since I said a few weeks ago that I would take one over Riley Green didn't help that Riley Green hit like forty home runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah in the week and a half two weeks since but oh my goodness, Tiger's hands have tagged me in every single Riley Green home run. [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's incredible. [SPEAKER_00]: It's incredible. [SPEAKER_00]: They are a relentless bunch, never happy, never satisfied. [SPEAKER_00]: One of the best teams in Major League Baseball, one of the best farm systems, need every ounce of it though. [SPEAKER_00]: Of course. [SPEAKER_00]: But as a starter, yeah, let's hear the reserves.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also just wanted to say that Harvey hasn't started a game in Centerfield since June first. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's good that we're seeing him there. [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what, it's all good. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he was start getting tagged and everything. [SPEAKER_02]: same, that's fine. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, all right. [SPEAKER_02]: The reserves to the American League. [SPEAKER_02]: Alejandro Kirk is the backup catcher. [SPEAKER_02]: Jonathan Aronda.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so fired up for him, man. [SPEAKER_02]: He is an all star, Alex Breggman is an all star. [SPEAKER_02]: Jazz Chism Jr. [SPEAKER_02]: is an all star, Brandon Lau of the Tampa Bay race, also an all star. [SPEAKER_02]: Jeremy Payne of the Astros Bobby with Jr. [SPEAKER_02]: was named the reserves and then the outfielders. [SPEAKER_02]: Byron Buckston, Stephen Cuan, [SPEAKER_02]: Leo Rodriguez and Brent Rucker is an all star as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am a war disciple, ninety nine point nine nine percent of the time. [SPEAKER_02]: But if your OPS starts with a six, I'm not sure you can be an all star. [SPEAKER_00]: I agree. [SPEAKER_00]: I just I [SPEAKER_00]: You don't I don't understand it and Raphaella came on a little bit too like you could just compare those two players right now and like you could make the case that Raphaella may be deserved it a little bit more but it happened to late.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it to the fans want we'll read guys is be. [SPEAKER_02]: He was not fan though. [SPEAKER_02]: He was player voting. [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy to me. [SPEAKER_02]: And I understand, like players, this is a war-based game now. [SPEAKER_02]: It's all about war. [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day, I felt like it was kind of heartbeat of the players that were saying, like, how can somebody with a six, ninety four OPS being all star, man?
[SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday, last time we've had a two, three, three, so I was flying in the all star game. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we really have. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think, because maybe in the past, we've had the three, thirdy, three, thirdy guy that makes sense, especially when the game used to be. [SPEAKER_00]: But when's the last time we've had a two, three, three slash line guy in the all-star game?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd get it a little bit more if he was coming off of a one, forty, eight, WRC plus last year. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a one, sixteen last year. [SPEAKER_00]: He was a two, seventy, three, three, twenty, five, four, and nine hitter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the players really think it's that hard to hit in a team mobile and they're just they're throwing the throwing them a bones and a loving home or a fifteen bags, still to lead to fender, all that good stuff, but just [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think Julio is going to get his all star games to he already has is going to get more in the future. [SPEAKER_00]: I did this one this one did not feel like it was the most earned and see I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially when you have a George Springer who's not in there. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the biggest omission for me in Major League Baseball. [SPEAKER_02]: I understand that Soto is up there, but for me, it was springer without it doubt. [SPEAKER_02]: I think Ranger Suarez was next up there because he's got twelve starts at a one nine ERA.
[SPEAKER_02]: fromers up there too, but fromers started poorly, I understand, and you mentioned it really is about how you start to get the all-star nod and fromer had a four, three in May. [SPEAKER_02]: And then since then, he's been amazing. [SPEAKER_02]: He's been like a two of seventy R.A. [SPEAKER_02]: over the last eleven, twelve starts, but I mean, I think springer is the the largest omission in the all-star game this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially because that story has been awesome, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's a guy that like I thought was dead in the water, and he has been phenomenal. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a clear one. [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe it's different positions. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't totally know how the structure works there for the reserves. [SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't know, even with the defensive value and everything, that you can make that case, of course, with what Julio brings to the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great tiebreaker. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not like George, I know George Fringers played most of his games at DH, but he's also played eleven games in the center field. [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's not good defensively, but at least he's out there. [SPEAKER_00]: And the offensive gap is just so significant at this point this year. [SPEAKER_00]: It just, yeah, it was a little disappointing for me. [SPEAKER_00]: I got that he's out warring him. [SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're talking about a thirty-five year old who has sixteen homers at the break. [SPEAKER_00]: Ten bags still as well, by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: And as a one forty-eight WRC plus. [SPEAKER_00]: And the bad of ball data would actually point towards him being unlucky. [SPEAKER_00]: He's a four-o-three ex-welba. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd imagine that's got to be one of the better figures in the American League.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to try to pull that up real quick, but like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I would love to have seen him in there and it is, it is disappointing. [SPEAKER_00]: Looking at the x, y, but just league wide. [SPEAKER_00]: He's tenth in the league and only behind in the American League judge, Vladie Ben Rice, which is crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you start. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's it in the American League.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, shout out, Jonathan Aronda, who we've been gasing up on the call-up since, since it became the call-up. [SPEAKER_00]: And a guy that just can absolutely hit has always been able to hit. [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't know exactly when he was going to get the opportunity, how he would fit in. [SPEAKER_00]: The raise move, Kyle Menzardo, and that ended up, Menzardo's good. [SPEAKER_00]: But that ended up clearly being the right decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody at the time would have said, [SPEAKER_00]: Keep a Ronda movement, Zardo, it'll work out best long-term and it looks like it is. [SPEAKER_00]: Ronda is a monster. [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely monster. [SPEAKER_02]: Last thing on Springer, just baseball tweeted this out, Springer, fifth in the American League and Slug, fourth in OPS, fourth in OPS, fourth in WRC, plus, and he's somehow not on all star.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I think we're best getting around the American League. [SPEAKER_00]: But all star game, I don't really, like it's not, I'm gonna go a little bit more surface level stat heavy, I think, and I know people can say, with them, why were you quant over green? [SPEAKER_00]: At that point, I thought it was a closer resume, but at this point, I would a hundred percent voted for Riley Green. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's a pretty big gap there, offensively.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll wrap up with the American League pictures here and a lot of guys that I feel very happy for. [SPEAKER_02]: Pictures in the American League, a hundred brown of the Houston Astros is an all star-thinking as Chris Boobitch and Kansas City fired up for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garrett Crochet back to back all start games Jacob DeGrom back in the midsummer classic max free to the Yankees is there you say Kuchi the token all star for the L.A. [SPEAKER_02]: Angels tarick school will should be in line to start again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shane Smith the rule five pick of the Chicago white sucks number one overall pick in the rule five draft Brian wool of the Seattle Mariners and then the relievers are all just Chapman to the Red Sox Josh Hater of the Astros and Andres Munoz of the Mariners. [SPEAKER_02]: Shane Smith [SPEAKER_02]: first rule five rookie to be an all star since [SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing that we don't talk about that demo. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll start game now. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't talk about that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, two guys in the history of the role five draft to been an all star of their rookie year and Shane Smith. [SPEAKER_02]: I've he said the white socks need one, but Smith was throwing at an all star caliber clip at the beginning of the year. [SPEAKER_02]: I think was a slow taper off at the end like in late June, but man, Shane Smith, the season he has put together. [SPEAKER_02]: He's the white socks best player as it stands right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, so this is one of those examples very happy for Shane Smith. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many teams are still doing this in their contract structures though. [SPEAKER_00]: This process is made real. [SPEAKER_00]: There should not be incentives based on on all star appearances. [SPEAKER_00]: They should, they should have a different incentive. [SPEAKER_00]: It should be first half war. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't freaking out for make it statistical.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love a war based incentive plan. [SPEAKER_00]: make it ERA based make it I don't know but with with certain players having that as a part of an incentive like missing out on seventy five thousand dollars or whatever it may be because you're not an all-star based on circumstances is tough because I actually do support having the representative from every team I can go back to being a kid and and going to and a high and
[SPEAKER_00]: I think both of these guys earned it, but even going back and thinking about it, maybe one of them was on the edge, I can't totally remember. [SPEAKER_00]: But being a four to Marlon's fan, and my dad taking me to the All-Star game, and I'm so excited. [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, it was so amazing to see all of the superstars out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was my first time seeing a lot of them play, but at the same time, [SPEAKER_00]: seeing my favorite teams players with those superstars on the same field was so, so cool for me. [SPEAKER_00]: I got to see Josh Johnson and I think definitely earned it. [SPEAKER_00]: But I got to see Henry or Mary's. [SPEAKER_00]: I think both those guys in that circumstance earned it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for the point being, small market team, like if there was a Marlon player there at that time that maybe was on the edge and they needed their rap, like [SPEAKER_00]: It did help make my experience a lot more memorable seeing, you know, my team's players and that, you know, circumstance. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's a lot of people pushing back because you just get so locked into the who deserves it and who doesn't, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta remember who this is for.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a kid that's a White Talks fan, maybe that I just fallen in love with Shane Smith, because you remember how it is. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you latch on to some random dudes that play really well out of the gate? [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, they get a chance of potentially seeing him in the All-Star game. [SPEAKER_00]: So I get it from that perspective, but I also do understand the incentive based stuff and the perspective of that, like, and how that can affect guys also.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I still think that's, it's the best way to go about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know about the Danuggle All-Star performance you remember that? [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, six. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know I jokingly said we don't talk about it, but I'm gonna talk about it. [SPEAKER_00]: It might be one of the worst individual games of all time. [SPEAKER_02]: The O six all star game?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or his was, it was his second all star appearance that was the worst I think of all time, two thousand eight. [SPEAKER_02]: Two thousand eight, what happened to him in the O eight all star game? [SPEAKER_00]: Three errors, which is an all star game record, and I think he went over as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, Dan Agla in that all star game went over four with three punchouts and made three errors. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's a game ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but at least it's memorable. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that was an all the time where I felt so bad for him. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a tough out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man. [SPEAKER_02]: I had a couple of notable omissions on this front. [SPEAKER_02]: Brian, a bra you, I understand it's really hard for set up guys to get in. [SPEAKER_02]: I think the argument could have been made to Brian or Brett.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should have been an over Josh Hader, but I understand that Hader is the closer. [SPEAKER_02]: And you get to ninth, but I think it's just a matter of circumstance that a Brett, you doesn't get to ninth because they pay to close over a hundred million dollars. [SPEAKER_02]: The other one that jumped out to me, I mean, from where you mentioned already, Joe Ryan, in Minnesota. [SPEAKER_02]: Like where's Joe Ryan?
[SPEAKER_02]: He has been the only thing that has kept their heart beating in the standings right now. [SPEAKER_02]: Like aside from Joe Ryan, that rotation has been horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a little bit of the Joe Ryan like, I'm trying to think like, did he start much better than he finished or vice versa? [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's just been good all the way through the entire way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah he is he is a tough snob there great K to BB it's pitching side it just seems like it's always gonna happen a little bit more especially nowadays too with so many different guys thrown well but I do agree I think Joe Ryan is one of the bigger bigger snob's with the way he's thrown this year you know opponent's reading one ninety three against him with a five eighty nine OPS [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, too. [SPEAKER_02]: The fastball was a joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, watching, watching him just pepper the heater, he throws it fifty five percent at a time. [SPEAKER_02]: It's I dare you to hit ninety three and you just can't. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't because it's just going to ascend some amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: Just amazing. [SPEAKER_00]: So I have one last word. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've alluded to this on the podcast before, but I just really wanted to get this out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I know there's people that like to read books. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I totally get it. [SPEAKER_00]: It has not really been me historically. [SPEAKER_00]: We still have to do reading counts. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you guys had some minutes or more to this school, but you'd have to read the book and then you X amount of pages and then you have to take a test of quiz at the library on the computer of like ten questions to prove that you read the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you'd have to have like X amount of total pages. [SPEAKER_00]: I would just pick a baseball book, any baseball biography, not read it, and then just just do that. [SPEAKER_00]: And that was how I got by it. [SPEAKER_00]: I just I like I love reading specific things especially in sports and like pieces and articles, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: I've never understood reading a full book.
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally get how it's meditation for people and stuff like that or just like it's an enjoyable way to consume something totally get it. [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like a lot of that like it's two hundred something pages. [SPEAKER_00]: You're telling me that couldn't have been delivered that entire idea couldn't have been delivered. [SPEAKER_00]: ten, fifteen, twenty. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's just me. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay with I have nothing against people reading. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not my argument here. [SPEAKER_00]: My argument is stop gifting people books unless they're they are voracious readers. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to do with them. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be rude because I do appreciate it and they're not cheap. [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a kind thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And I do like having a couple like coffee table books here that that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gifting me a book is like assigning me homework that I already didn't do when I was in school. [SPEAKER_00]: And, and then they follow up sometimes, hey, do you read the book? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what'd you think? [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't had a chance yet. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I feel like an asshole. [SPEAKER_00]: But like, and realistically, in the time that I'd be reading the book, I'd rather be writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's why I'm going to do prospect write up, so I'm going to be writing about Cal Rally swing adjustments or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: And you can say, oh, maybe on the plane. [SPEAKER_00]: That's when I like to write. [SPEAKER_00]: Writing is kind of my reading. [SPEAKER_00]: And then when I'm educating myself on the piece, maybe I'll go read some other stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't get much out of reading the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally understand how people do, but the gift of homework and then following up and asking if I read it, I'm not a reader. [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe you didn't know that, that's okay. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you should know that before you just hand people out books. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to clown you right now. [SPEAKER_02]: Would love to have this right say off course arm doesn't read books.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a huge proponent of if there's a movie out based on a book and you tell me to read the book. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to go watch the movie and then I'll read articles or something on it or, you know, a breakdown. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need the whole book. [SPEAKER_02]: My reading looks different. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm closer to you where I would much prefer to sit down and read a great feature piece that's ten thousand words long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of reading a fictitious novel, I have done it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I did an audiobook on my drive from Milwaukee to Jupiter for spring training and I honestly didn't enjoy it that much.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's just even an informative book like my mom she she had a you know I've always had like you know they'll stumming it to me yeah yeah yeah yeah so she she had a book was like you know how to heal your gut change your gut change your life I read change your voice change your life yeah all of those are the same and and [SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather give me the spark notes of that. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll do it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm super interested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do I need two hundred and fifty pages to figure that out? [SPEAKER_00]: How much are they stretching that shit out? [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where to me. [SPEAKER_00]: You just kind of lose me. [SPEAKER_00]: I really love the Sadaharu O book and that was a lot of fun to read. [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of like a really prolonged biography on this whole life. [SPEAKER_00]: I get it sometimes you can't tell your own story.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I can get it a little bit more, but even then there's points where I'm like, ah, fatigue in a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: So when it's your life story, I can understand a little bit more because it's like, [SPEAKER_00]: the anecdotal aspects of it were really detailed and fun and he's had a crazy journey. [SPEAKER_00]: But when it's like a self-help book or something like that, I'm good. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm good. [SPEAKER_00]: And then now I feel bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like to I audio book it to I spark note it to I pretend I read it. [SPEAKER_02]: You spark note it to you. [SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely pretend that you read it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you spark note and you say, oh, yeah, I read it. [SPEAKER_02]: I loved the part about and then you pull a character's name and then they'll just go away forever. [SPEAKER_00]: That was that was my tentative plan, but so you're good on that front.
[SPEAKER_02]: There have been I think three or four books that I've thoroughly enjoyed. [SPEAKER_02]: Mike Lupica books don't count growing up. [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody loves Mike Lupica books. [SPEAKER_02]: It was awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the last cover to cover. [SPEAKER_00]: I've ever read. [SPEAKER_00]: Besides, I don't know when I still don't even think I technically want cover to cover. [SPEAKER_02]: Andre Aguicy's autobiography was an amazing book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the A-Rod biography written by I think Selena Roberts was an amazing book. [SPEAKER_02]: I liked American Psycho by Brett Easton Ellis just because and I know it's a movie. [SPEAKER_02]: I love the movie. [SPEAKER_02]: I liked the book just because the sentence structure every page is just a huge run on sentence effectively and I thought that was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really it for me and then change your voice change your life by Dr. Morton Cooper because it taught me how to like actually find the real voice. [SPEAKER_02]: So then like that's good. [SPEAKER_02]: I like this book. [SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just think people get off to it too. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Oh, I read these books. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you should check this one out. [SPEAKER_00]: No doubt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm so well read that I'm going to I'm going to gift you books and tell you like what yeah, it no, that's just flexing that's flexing that they read on to you. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I read this and I think you may like it, but you won't like it. [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to show you that I read this book. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it might be a little dance for you. [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, you keep pushing through it and you'll enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is yeah, no backlash coming. [SPEAKER_00]: Give me give me anything else legitimately anything else. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather yesterday's newspaper. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll all come through that a little bit more. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little quicker interesting, but that that's all I got to complain about today. [SPEAKER_02]: Cool. [SPEAKER_02]: Everything you need is in the episode description. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought Alex Cooper's seventh inning stretch on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: What the hell do they think was going to happen? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that was really bad. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_02]: It was so bad. [SPEAKER_02]: That's my only place. [SPEAKER_00]: I believe she made it about herself and not about the face. [SPEAKER_00]: That was crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have respect to everything she's built. [SPEAKER_00]: No doubt, but like just know your target there for Ridley Field.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they were bullying the back half of the song. [SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Good. [SPEAKER_02]: No, good from the Ridley faithful, but man, that was crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Again, every link you need is in the episode description. [SPEAKER_02]: No, shoot a marvel. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be back to talk to you on Thursday.