We're back from the holiday weekend and there is no shortage of stuff going on in the news of Somali fraud scandal in Minnesota has absolutely exploded. Shocky new footage from YouTuber Nick Shirley has rocked the Land of ten Thousand Lakes. Meanwhile, Donald Trump with a Christmas special whacking ices in Nigeria, while at the same time Tucker Carlson going really soft on Islam. Also Vlai mer Zelenski at
mar A Lago, Bibi Nitznyaku at mar A Lago. Today, there's a lot of stuff happening on today's episode of The Josh Hammer Show. Welcome back everyone, Hope you had a very merry Christmas. Wishing you a happy early New Year as well. Smally fraud in Minnesota. We've been covering this story for months to us here on The Josh
Hammer Show. The ongoing smally fraud in Minnesota, combined with all of the recent shenanigans and histrionics in dearborn Michigan, to say nothing of the recent moves by governors of Santas and Governor Abbott in Florida and Texas, respectfully, this is all part and parcel of the broader pitch that Islam is increasingly making inroads in the United States, and it's not just those five to six am calls to prayer from the minarets of the mosque. No, this is
an actual, genuine cultural, constitutional, legal, and civilizational incompatibility. Really ground zero of this conversation has moved, i would say, possibly away from Deerbrow, Michigan, all the way to Minneapolis, Minnesota, where this fraud scandal, which was initially brought to its current status as the focal points national conversations, was initially brought there by Chris Rufo of City Journal and the Manhattan Stitude. Chris doing amazing work as always, this thing's
really exploded. Now we know that Secretary Scott Present of the Treasury Department is involved currently in all sorts of financial investigations trying to discern who, including but not limited to public officials, left officials, who knew what and when did they know it, What possible statutes were violated when it comes to just brazen, out right defrauding of the United States taxpayer, let alone siphoning and taking some of this money and shipping it overseas to cross subsidize Al
Shabab the former Al Qaeda offs you, which is now an independent pseudoni jihadist organization there in Somalia. Turns out the Minnesota taxpayer the number one funder of al Shabab. Insane, utterly insane stuff. Well, the reason that we were revisiting the story is because it actually escalated just over the past a few days while we were taking a bit of a break here on the Josh Hammers Show, and while you were hopefully enjoying some wonderful time with your family.
So YouTuber Nick Sureley, we'll get to him in just a minute here doing phenomenal work his views on the ground, generating about one hundred million views on YouTube, just trying to get there and to show you with his own camera, with the flesh, you can actually see what this fraud looks like there in ground zero, so to speak, in
Minneapolis and practice. But some of this was escalated as well by just another element to this fraud scandal, and it was actually Cash Battel, the embattled FBI director, who nonetheless is doing a very competent job, at least by my estimation, he is getting a lot of flag including from some people on the right. When it comes to the Epstein Finals. We've generally been defenders of Director Pattel, and unless we've given reason for not being defenders of him,
we're going to continue to defend him. And sure enough, he issued a very interesting and notable update when it comes to the Somali fraud scandal over the weekend cash PTEL on Saturday, putting on x in relevant part quote, the FBI is aware of recent social media reports in Minnesota. However, even before the public conversation escalate online, the FBI had surged personnel and investigative resources to Minnesota to dismantle large
scale fraud schemes exploiting federal programs. Fraud that steals from taxpayers and rob's vulnerable children will remain a top FBI priority in Minnesota and nationwide. To date, the FBI dismantled a two hundred and fifty million dollar fraud scheme two hundred and fifteen million dollar fronts that stole federal food aid meant for vulnerable children during COVID. The investigation exposed sham vendors, shell companies, and large scale money laundering tied
to the Feeding Our Future network. The case led to seventy eight indictments. Fifty seven convictions. The FBI believes this is just the tip of a very large iceberg. We'll continue to follow the money and protect children. This investigation
very much remains ongoing. I saw someone actually a Twitter wag, if you will, a bit of a social media troll, just a remarkable, remarkable side by side comparison according to some estimates based what we've seen thus far, including not limited to that quarter of a billion dollar healthcare childcare fraud number that I just read to you, including the
al Shabab transfers, all of what we've learned recently. When it comes to the extent of Somali fraud in Minnesota, it arguably, based on some math, they've now stolen more taxpayer dollars then what Lehman Brothers, the former Bolsbracken Investment Bank, what they lost in two thousand and eight. So, if you feed your mind packed two thousand and eight, it
was really Lehman Brothers and bear Stearns. It was the collapse of these those two particular banks that cause the Great Recession, the great financial crisis of two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight. There So I saw someone X post this article from September tenth, two thousand and eight, the investment bank Lehman Brothers announced that it was expecting a loss of three point nine billion dollars after a
five point six billion dollars in write down. So, look, the math can get a little dice depending on how you cut it. On some estimates, Somalis have defrauded the American tax payer by more dollars than the Lehman Brothers literally lost, which arguably was the final factor for the full blown financial crisis that engulfed the final year or so of the Bush presidency and the first year or so of the Obama presidency. So just absolutely wild stuff there,
and there's a lot to unpack about this there. But without further ado, let's go ahead and actually take a look at what YouTuber Nick Shirley has been doing. This stuff is absolutely blowing up on my social media feed. I presume that is blowing up on your social media feed as well. I'd actually never heard of the guy. I never heard of Nick Shirley. I salute you, sir,
you are doing some really fantastic work. Let's go ahead and just watch a very short snippet of this on the ground reporting in Minneapolis.
Are there local reporters like that in your area? And why do you think they weren't doing the work that you did?
I don't know.
I'm like they're scared of being called nowadays because it's some aliums that are committing this product. People are scared of be calling Islamophobic, racist, in which has nothing to do with what's going on. Because fraud is fraud. It doesn't matter if it's a black person, white person. Agent Verson Mexican. Fraud is fraud, and we work too hard simply just to be paying taxes in enabling fraud to be happening.
So this is the relevant question, right is who is covering the story and who is not covering the story. Unfortunately, based on my quick surveying of the media landscape, the ducks are lining up in the row exactly as you would expect. So Newsweek, which hosts our show, to newswek's great credit. We are covering this story on Newsweek. The same cannot be said of many other broader speaking, wider distribution mainstream media publications, most of whom are deliberately choosing
to turn a blind eye to this particular story. But why should it turn upon an independent YouTuber like Nick Shirley, and by the way, he was right there on Fox News. You ought to go ahead and actually check out his YouTube fee because you will just see some stuff that will make you want to gouge your freaking eyes out there.
Why should it fall on Nick Shirley to get there on the ground and actually start exposing some of the sheer level of fraud that is coming from the Somali community that the officials are certainly starting to make this a broader point of the national conversation as well. One of the things that I've been saying for a while is when did these leading Minnesota politicians get word of this? And when did they know it? What did Tim Walls, Keith Ellison, elan Omar, all these other end of ten
thousand Lakes ingrits. What did they know? When did they know it? These use some of the questions that I hope Scott has sent that Treasury is able to uncover in the course of his financial investigation. Frankly, we could use some more Chris Rufo style investigated journalists trying to
figure that out as well. Congressman Tom Emmer of the state of Minnesota had this to say, as well about what is going on with Minnesota's own elected officials and their complicity in this whole fraud scandal in Minnesota.
This has been going on four years. I told you, we've known about the daycare fraud for the past decade. We've been trying to sound the alarm on the rest of the fraud for the last three years. And it wasn't until President Trump, who I'm very grateful for him, actually saying something about it, made this a national story that people started paying attention. And here's the difference Minnesota.
It's apparently a business. Whistleblowers are coming forward and if they are real, Mike, and if what they're saying can be documented, and what they're saying is they told Tim Walls, they told Keith Ellison about the fraud when it was happening, and they not only didn't do anything, they retaliated against them, Mike. If that's true, if that can be documented, these guys need to be prosecuted, held accountable, and prosecuted to the full extent of a lot.
You know, I was looking at my social media feed before we started to record our show's day and I saw RNC Research, which is a very nifty social media feed that produces a lot of good video content. They have this clip that I hadn't seen previously of Tim Walls saying, quote, we should have been keeping Minnesota's more up to speed on what was happening. You think, like, what is wrong with you? What was happening? What a euphemism?
What was happening while your own people, while little Mogadishu in the state capital of Saint Paul and the Joint Any of Minneapolis, while they were defrauding your own people, your own public treasury and sending money, not merely diverting it from lawful use, from public use for the common wheel, for the common good when it comes to road and bridges in construction, all the basic things of good governance, not just that take the money and also taking it
and then shipping it overseas. I mean, what was happening. What was happening, Tim Walls, is that you presided over the single largest fraud scandal the entire history of the United States, and given the al Shabab connection, also the single largest foreign terrorist organization funding scandal since the largest terror financing scandal in the history of the United States, which came back in two thousand and seven in the form of the Holy Land Foundation trial in North Texas.
The Holy Land Foundation, which was based in the Dallas suburbs, was found to be a direct American plant of Hamas and the Most Brotherhood, and they were busted by the way, CARE of the Council of Americans long relations was found to be an unindicted co conspirator by the federal judge in the course of the Holy Land Foundation terror financing trial. So put that on the back burner for now when it comes to CARE and their long standing connections to
Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. But the relevant question that Tom Memmer is asking is what do these public officials know and when did they know. It's the question that we are going to continue to beat the drama of very much here on our show.
Center.
Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, by the way, very much echoing Commerce and EMRA, go ahead and watch this well.
First of all, we need to put all kinds of pressure on the state agencies to give us their records. Now I'm chairming the permanent subcominge investigations. This will be a primary folks of ours. We're already reaching out to Nick Shirley and David and other people who can provide
testimony for this, but we also need documents. So you know, these agency heads who finally the federal money to the state agencies, they have to demand that the state agencies are transparent, and unfortunately, particularly in Democrat controlled states, they're not. They're refusing term of those records. I've got subpoena power. I will use that subpoena power to obtain these records because we have to get to the bottom of this. Understand
Somali's just been this country a few years. They're amateurs when it comes to fleecing the federal government. And let's face it, thement I'd have gotten this is probably the easiest consumer, the easiest payer to fleece, and states do it time and time again. So this is just tip to the iceberg.
You know, I saw this clip on Friday. It was a day after Christmas. I'm sure many of you are offline. Heck, God was mostly offline as well. But I saw this clip of the Lieutenant governor of Minnesota, whose name is Peggy Flanagan, and Peggy Flanagan actually goes ahead and puts on this hija and she's standing there with representatives of the smaller community, talking about how small these built this state.
I mean, what is wrong with some of you people? Like, what is actually wrong with some of you people that you're just sitting there and letting this different culture that is not only a different culture when it comes to polite mannerisms, but apparently, as far as we can tell, also has part of its culture endemic to its culture, perhaps the brazen defrauding of their fellow citizens in this case,
they're fellow Americans and of the taxpayer. More broadly, is Minnesota iss gonna let their are there elected officials just gonna stand back and let Minneapolis become the next Brussels Belgier, or the next Paris or London. Maybe it is already. He guy was there on the airport in Minneapolis with the first time back in August. I looked around. I couldn't believe what I saw. You do not feel like you're in the United States. And this really kind of cuts to the broader points here. Yes, I want to
know what Keith Ellison knew. I want to know what Tim Walls knew. I want to know what Illino Marnu. I want to know what all of them knew and their complicity, their offuscation at best and at worst, their willful complicity in this horrific fraud scandal. But the broader point, beyond these specific details of this fraud scandal, the broader point is this, is this a culture? Is this a way of life that is compatible with American republicanism, American
self governance, and American constitutionalism? And unless you are hiding under a rock, unless you have two or three brain cells operating between the years, the answer should be should be obvious. The answer is no. Now, what are we going to do about it? That's a broader conversation that
we will table for now. But it suffice to say that all options when it comes to deporting non citizens, folks who are aliens here, who have lied on their paperwork, folks who have who lied as far as they support foreign terrorist organizations, they are folks who have committed fraud, who have committed crimes. There all of them should be deported.
And frankly, we are not at all opposed. We're actually very supportive on the show of the notion of initiating denaturalization proceedings for those who have been initiated into the United States clizenship there But either lied on their application form or continue to have to have other foreign allegiances that directly undermine their support for the good old US of A. By the way, Somalia not the not the only, not the old, only radical islam tide country that was
in the news over the long holiday weekends, So there was actually a Christmas special, a Christmas special from President Donald J.
Trump.
This horrific situation Nigeria has been building up for months now,
are arguably for years. Boko Haram, which is the radical Islamic offshoot in Nigeria, has been on a rampage for many, many years now, but this started to pick up in recent months and terrible, terrible headlines emerging out of the very religiously divided country of Nigeria, country that has split roughly down the middle between Christians and Muslims, has been it's been an ongoing Christian genocide, and yes, as far as I can tell it, it absolutely is a genocide
because these are individuals who horrifically and tragically are being deliberately targeted and persecuted simply because of their faith, simply because of their religion. Donald Trump released a video maybe a few weeks ago about a month ago, give or take, saying in no uncertain terms to the Nigerian government and to BOCO harm the radical terroristorization, their community of ttrostes saying stop this or else we're going to do something.
And apparently Trump in his inner circle reached a conclusion on Christmas Eve last Wednesday, that they were actually going to do something, and they apparently delayed that decision until Christmas Day for something of a symbolic show. And that's
exactly what happened there. So, the US engaging in strikes on ISIS and BOCO Harama and radical Islamic militants there in the state of Nigeria, specifically in the state of Sokoto, which is on the border of some of the neighboring countries there, all these groups are kind of connected there. There's al Qaeda in the Western Sahara, there's ISIS, there's Boko Haram. All these radical Sunni Islamus groups end up
being closely supported to one another there. I think they were all In question from our perspective is what does
this say about Donald Trump's foreign policy? Now, don Trump's foreign policy is largely predicated on the American national interest, is largely predicated on what is best from a somewhat narrow view of a dancing America's strategic interests overseas is not necessarily the moralistic foreign policy of the Bush administration from a neo conservad perspective, or the moralistic foreign policy of the Bush or of the Obama administration when it
comes to a humanitarian interventionist perspective. That's how we got to the Batch intervention in Libya, to ask Momar Kadafi back in twenty eleven. There So, the Nigeria intervention is it is somewhat counter to this very narrow strategic interest there.
Certainly Nigeria is a somewhat valuable country there. I'm not sure it has the strategic importance of other countries around the world there, but Nigeria is considered to be one of the better to do, one of the more advanced countries in that particular part of the world, which as of right now is not actually saying a whole lot, but it still is one of the more advanced countries there.
So it's definitely not a not important country, but it doesn't really have the strategic importance of a Saudi Arabia, to say nothing of a Japan or a country like that. Right, So as that say, well, I think what it says is that Donald Trump is at his core, instinctually, viscerally, is he is a defender of Christendom and of Western civilization. Donald Trump might not be someone who's going to be able to theorize and philosophize. He's not writing forty page treatises.
He's not writing six hundred page you know, PhD dissertations on the meaning of Western civilization. You know, you know, leave that to the public intellectuals, the scholars, the eggheads, people like that. But in his gut, in his heart, Donald Trump gets what Western civilization is. He gets the Western civilization is the Biblical inheritance. He happens to love the Jewish people. I saw it in person for myself, was originally two weeks a when I was there for
the Honka celebrations. He has a visceral love for the original people of the book, the Jewish people. And he totally understands, as a Christian himself, that it is Christian Dad and he is Christendom that spread the principles of the Bible to billions, literally billions and billions of people. Therefore, establishing the modern predic gate for what we'd say called
Western civilization. And this might be somewhat of an aberration when it comes to his somewhat narrow America First national's view of foreign policy, but I think viewed from that somewhat different, albeit closely related perspective, whereas he also sees himself as a champion of Western civilization. There, I think that this is really the better way probably to understand
this particular limited humanitarian intervention in Nigeria. The somewhat rebuttal to that would be, okay, what if we get sucked into a broader conflict in Nigeria? And then the response to that rebuttal is very simple, just don't do it, okay, I mean, just toe to it, the same way that we didn't get sucked into a broader war in Iran
after the B two bombers struck back in June. Just because you have some level of intervention, some level of precision, strike and get the heck out, that doesn't mean that you were immediately going to get involved. When it comes to boots on the grounds and all the horrible memories
of rock Aghanstan. You know a lot of the neoists they like to present this total false choice, whereas on the one hand we are George W. Bush swashbuckling democracy, promoting neoconservatism, or on the other hand, just don't get involved.
But what I've been saying for years, years and years and years is that most Americans, most common sense people, most people who give an iota a modicum a critical thought to these matters, understands that John McCain and Ron Paul are not the only two options for foreign policy. There is like ninety eight percent of the middle holding
aside the extreme one percent. Now, reasonal folks can disagree on a given action, and reasonable folks certainly can disagree here when it comes to the wisdom of intervening in limited fashion in Nigeria. But viewed from the perspective of defending be leaguered, besieged Christians against radical Islam, Donald Trump is positioning himself, I think, straightforwardly and forthrightly as a champion, as a defender of Western civilization and the biblical inheritance
that defines Western civilization. That's maybe not how Donald Trump would say it if you were asked in an interview, but I think that in his guts, in his guts. That really is what he is thinking now speaking of this threat of this conflict between radical Islam and Christianity. And by the way, there's so much dumb, dumb, dumb misinformation on this topic. There are a lot of folks out there saying, oh, my God, the only reason the Muslims hey Christians is because of the State of Israel
of nineteen forty eight. How short of a memory do you guys have? How many history books have you read or lack thereof? Have you heard of that thing called the Crusades, the various wars between Christianity and Islam about a thousand years ago? Have you heard about the Siege of Vienna where the Ottoman Empire was finally termed back. I'm getting all the way into the heart of the
Austro Hungarian Empire in the mid seventeenth century. Christian Europe fought back at that point, finally repelled the Aman Turks. Have you heard about the First and Second Barbary Wars here in the United States in the early nineteenth century. Those wars fought between the then fledgling US Navy and the Barbary Pirates, the houthy rebels of their day. These Muslim pirates off the coast in Northern Africa. The literal reason that we still have a Navy and Marine Corps
and so forth to this day. I mean, I'm familiar with the military fights on to the shores of Tripoli. I'm not going to sing here because my voice is terrible. It's the onliar reference to the Barbary Wars the shores of Tripoli. I just people are just so stupid. Nonetheless, there are a lot of folks, obviously on the left, increasly on the adel Brains, hyper conspiratoril rights, that are making this out to be that radical Islam, and more generally Islam is not in a state of tension. They're
not literally care about the West. They don't really care about Christians, they don't really care about Christom. It's just the Jews, It's just Israel. Far too predictably, the latest, the latest adult to articulate this in some of the
clearest fashion possible was Tucker Carlson. So, Tucker Carlson just this past Friday went on a podcast hosted by Tach The American Conservative, a publication that ironically is neither American nor conservative in any meaningful sense of the term they are shills for foreign interest when it comes to interests
that militate against the American national interests. So no surprise that Tuck Carlson is on the board of advisors of this magazine, that he went on one of their podcasts, and this is what Tucker had to say.
I believe in measuring reality a little more empirically. And you know, I don't know anyone in the United States in the last twenty four years has been killed by radical Islam. You know, I know a lot of people who have killed themselves a lot. I know people have died at drug abuse. More than a few people can get jobs. None of none of the boys in my daughter's class that can get jobs. None of those white
boys can get jobs. They're being destroyed, you know, by after all in video games important like I see millions of Americans being destroyed at none of it. Is it the hands of radical Islam. Is radical is longer danger than only fans. It's not even close turning some huge percentage for America women into prostitutes. That's got Radical Islam doing that.
Actually, Okay, I don't want to both the rest of our shows this which we easily could do. But for now, I will make a couple of simple points. One is Tucker Carlson. Is he drunk? Is he drunk? Is he on drugs? I mean, like, what is actually happening between his ears that he is saying and spouting out such demonstrable insane falsehoods. What is happening between the years, What is happening in the neurons in his body? How much
Katari money is flowing into his bank account? What is happening that is resulting in him saying these out of control insane things. Radical Islam has open responsible for any deaths in the past twenty four years. Do you remember the fort Hood massacre of two thousand and nine, the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, the Houston lone wolf Jihati who went to gun down or to mow over and in a vehicular homicide act. At least fifteen is in Biastanders on Bourbon Street in the wee hours of last
New Year's Day. I mean, there's more examples, like a possibly count there was the Bernardino, California mass shooting a decade ago. How many more innocent people must die at the hands of Radical Islam for Islam's apologists here in the United States left or quote unquote right alike to get the message. I mean the Boston marathon bombing. There were so many obvious examples here. This is obfuscation, will flu stupidity, indeed, all but all but a shirley corruption.
Given the fact that he's flying to Doha, do these interviews with the Amir Kaktar tam of buying a house there.
We don't.
We don't necessarily quite have the goods, but we have a lot of secondary goods to suggest that Tucker is has far too close ties, to put it mildly, to put it, perhaps far too charitably, with the Katari regime there in Doha. It's not good. And the other point to make here is this, this same guy who hosted Nick Flints, Charlie Kirk's lifelong arch nemesis, and hosts him for a total fluff interview to ansk a single challenging
question a month and a half after Charlie's assassination. What was the one issue that Charlie Kirk was pushing harder than anything in the final year of his life. It was a notion that is Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. And with American constitutionalism.
How do I know?
Well one? He said up publicly too. We discussed it privately all the time in the somewhat infamous Hampton's Retreat, infamous only because of Candice and other conspiracy idiots. But this retreat that was in early August, I was there thirty five to forty people. It was a Save the West Strazi chess and featuring Charlie Kirk and Bill Lackman
and the rest of us. The very first session of that retreat was on the individual of Mamdani and Charlie Starr that whole retreat by asking me a very provocative question, what is an American? And in the context he meant, is Zormamdani an American? Could he ever become an American? The point that he was ultimately getting at was this
incompatibility point between Islam and Western civilization. He warrant all the time that Islam is taking over not just Western Europe, not just Canada, not just Australia, but increasingly of the United States as well. He warnant over and over and over again that immigration without assimilation is an invasion. And he was really, really, really angry, in particular about radical Islam.
By the way, the attendees of Charlie's own organization in Turning One USA at the Anfest conference last weekend, they also listed radical Islam as the number one threat to the United States. That's what Tucker was as responding to in that clip. He's disagreeing with the vast majority of the Turning Point conference's own attendees. Tuckery, you can take your Islam apology and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Take it to Al Jazeera, take it to Chank Wigger and the young Turks, take it to ms NOW whatever they're calling that adult brain network. Take it and get it away from the right of center ecosystem because conservatives had no tolerance for islam apology. They see what's happening in Minnesota, they see what's happening in Dearborn, they see what's happening with all too great and increased frequency. They see what's happening throughout these United States from sea to
shine sea, and they don't like it one bit. It's disgusting, it's absolutely appalling, and frankly, just what an absolutely horrific, horrific quote unquote friend yet again, talker Carlson has proved to be to Charlie Kirk, who was emphatically correct about the question of Islam and Western civilization and American constitutionalism. In other international related news, there are a couple of big meetings that Donald Trump has had at mar A Lago.
He just yesterday met with Vladimir Lensky and some other leaders of the Ukrainian delegation. They're at mar A Lago. Tough to say exactly what the result was. We don't really know exactly which parts they agreed to, which parts they do not agree to. For what it's worth, both parties seem to be saying more or less the same thing,
which is that they are in ninety percent agreement. That is basically the that I have seen flowed out is that they're basically in ninety percent agreement there that there is some sliver of information that is not being specified yeat, that they are in disagreements over. And this is more or less where we've been for some months now. The problem is not for lack of trying. By the way, Trump, Kushner, Witcoff, the whole team deserves tremendous credit, not just a little
tremendous credit for trying this hard. When it comes to trying to get this Rush Ukraine peace deal, there's a pro peace negotiating team. They have gotten peace deals when it comes to Thailand and Cambodia, at least initially. Then the ceasefire broke. Then they had another seasfire recently in Tiling, Cambodia, just over the past week. So they got telling Cambodia seasfire. They got an India Pakistan cease fire, these two nuclear
powers that could have been utterly disastrous. They got Armenia Azerbaijan. One that really really really caught me off guard as someone who was just in Yerevan, just in Armenia two and a half years ago, I saw the conflict up close and personal. The fact that it's over in the link of an eye, sniber fingers, that is crazy, crazy, crazy stuff. All sorts of other peace deals as well, Rwanda, Congo, the Israel Iran ceasefire that happened for now at least
after the B two bombers. They are back in June, so they're trying really really hard. They Trump food Alaska to meet with Putin back in augusts on a Friday, to had the military flyover this demonstration of strength with the B two bombers. Then the following Monday, went back to the White House to me with Georgia Maloney and Emmanuel la Crown, a cure starmer, and various other European elites. He's trying really, really really hard. Sometimes the ard of
the deal is just really really hard to do. And it's not for lack of trying there. They're trying just really really hard. I did see one thing from this joint Trump Zelensky presser on Sunday that caught me a little off guard. So let's go ahead and watch this clip of President Trump talking about of Latimer Pudin's interest in seeing Ukraine being made great.
Russia's gonna be helping Russia wants to see Ukraine succeed once. It sounds a little strange, but I was explaining to the president. President was very generous in this failing towards Ukraine succeeding, including a supplying energy, electricity and other things at very low prices. So a lot of good things came out of that call today. But they were in the works for two weeks with Steve and with Jared and Marco and everybody.
Okay, so look I mean the president doesn't necessarily speak in hyper specifics when he talks about these things. There
maybe there's also translation a little bit. When Putin speaks of Ukraine being made great again in success in Ukraine, is that success, as Lamar Pun defines him, because last I checked, success in Ukraine for Lamar Putin meant the restoration of Ukraine to the Greater Russia, of the Mother Russia project, the neo Soviet project that he's been more or less engaged in for decades now, at least since at least since the invasion of Georgia the Republic of
Georgia in the late Bush Minstration is going on at least twenty years now. Pun of course, an old ex KGB guy very much has this this Soviet nostalgia when it comes to the broader Greater Russia project and all the various Soviet satellite states that that once entailed. Look Putin at this point is the larger aggressor the larger aggressor when it comes to trying to to hinder Russia
Ukraine piece. Zelenski does still have some work to do, he seems, based on what I can tell the tea leaves that I can read he seems to have shelved for now the idea of Ukraine ascending to the European Union and or NATO, or at least putting on the back burner. And that is well and good and as it should be, because that's not going to happen. My working three for years is that NATO went far too far and expanding as far east as it did to the Baltic states, Latfia, Lithuania. I mean, what are we
doing here, guys? You know, you know why exactly was NATO expanding so far eastward decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union. It genuinely just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I'm not blaming NATO for the Russia invasion of Ukraine. The person who bears cability
for that is indeed Laron Putin and the Russians. I'm just saying that it's not crazy to consider the fact that NATO getting ever ever further eastward probably was not super helpful, not super conducive towards peace, and frankly was somewhat superfluous. And besides the point, so Zelenski's gonna have to make some sort of peace when it comes to territorial concessions in the Dombasque region of East Ukraine. If I had to guess, that's probably the final area of
substantive major disagreements between Trump and Zelenski. At least, that would be my guest.
There.
Donald Trump wants something of some sort of international inspection, some free enterprise zone, similar to his idea for making the Gaza Strip great again. There Again, I'm not entirely sure that that's feasible, but certainly doesn't seem to be what Zelenski wants there. But to be sure, the greater obstacle to peace at this time is not necessarily Zelenski.
It is indeed put him. He's gonna have to reconnize once and for all, as he has never done over the entire course of this war, that Ukraine is going to be an independent country. Okay, he has not recognized that, and a lesson. Until he does, unfortunately, is going to just keep on dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging on. Speaking of dragging on, bim Net Miyahu is meeting with Donald Trump at mar Lago Day or miracular. He actually
met with Donald Trump already earlier today. And let's not to say that that situation in Gaza necessarily drags on, which it does to extend there, but more generally speaking, the Arab Muslim war of aggression against the State of Israel and by extension, against all of ustern civilization. This has been going on for a very very long time.
And again, contrary to the historical revisionists from the Illinomar left to the tug Carlson quote unquote right, this has very little, if anything whatsoever to do with the founding of the modern state of Israel in nineteen forty eight. Rather, it has to do with the fact that Islam is just not in a situation where it exists very comfortably with non Islamist forces. There is a reason that the flag of Saudi Arabia to this day has a sword in the flag there, which is that Mohammed the Prophet
lived and died by the sword. It's just a very very different worldview in that respect than Christianity and Judaism for that matter as well. So next Yahu is meeting Donald Trump at Mara Lagwoz day, what exactly is he trying to do? Well, he's updating the Trump as far as his perspective goes on the current status of the
Iranian threats to recall. Back in June during Operation Midnight Hammer, so the Israelis took out a lot of the initial infrastructure when it comes to ballistic missiles, when it comes to aerial support from the Iranian Air Force, when comes to taking out hiring in generals. In the very early hours of that war back in June, the Israelis established air superiority in shockingly quick time. It was a remarkable
demonstration actually of intelligence and military prowess. And then the US comes in essentially for the coup de gras, for the kill shot. At the end. With this thirty seven hour mission, these B two bombers fly from Missouri to Iran, then fly back to Missouri, and then the ceasefire was negotiated very shortly thereafter. So Ever, since then, the big question has been what exactly is the status of the Iranian Balista missile program and the Iranian nuclear program, And
we do not know the exact answer that question. What we certainly do know is that when Donald Trump likes to say again, Donald Trump likes to speak in euphemisms, not always the most precise when it comes to his language. So when he says that the Iranian NUCO program was utterly destroyed. That's classic Trumpian bragadocio. That is classic Trump hyperbole that folks who've been following the New York tabloids have heard Donald Trump been saying for forty fifty years now.
It's not really accurate. It was set back a lot, certainly for down a Ton's. These various somewhat infamous Iranian nuclear and ritrion facilities were dealt a truly, truly lethal blow. It was never really disputed that there was other ficile material, other amiture uranium that remains iron. Footsworth had a sprawling set of nuclear sites. The United States primarily targeted the three largest and most well known ones. Above all this this infants facility of Forda, which is built into a
mountain side. So nets Yahuo is in mar Lago's day, basically updating Trump as to what Israeli intelligence indicates is the current status of Iran's bullist missile and nuclear program. Now, now the million dollar question is what is the ask? What exactly is nets Yakhu there there to lobby? This whole meeting is now happening in the broader context of this conversation. If you want to be charitable, that's happening not just in the left but also increasingly on the
rights about the nature of the US Israel alliance. My onn solicit advice to nets Nyahu would be that if you have a problem that you assessed to be an existential threat to your country, as the israelities typically understands to be there, act to the best of your abilities, as any nation state would, to defend your existence in your way of life. Do not necessarily come to make gratuitous asks and of another country, even your closest ally.
Once upon a time, maybe that sort of thing would have been viewed okay, And certainly back in June it was a little different. There was increasingly obvious intelligence that Ron was on the precipice and the brink of a nuclear breakout. Okay, but now again I have no idea,
ask drop like literally no idea. But to the extent that it entails asking for direct military support, I'm not entirely sure that that is reading the room, reading the moment at this time, to the extent that is asking for anything less than that when it comes to diplomatic support, when it comes to certain arms military whatever. Okay, that's
I think a much much more reasonable and palatable conversation. Again, I'm just talking here necessarily about what is right or just just trying to read the room as any real politique realist person to try to do. Here it comes to what is currently happening not just on the American left but increasingly on the American right as well. Now having said that, the key point is this, the specifics we can kind of quibble about, you know, is actual
US military aircraft to the XYZ things required. Again, I literally have no idea what they're discussing. I'm just kind of making stuff up. But the more important point in the broader point is this, there is so much misinformation about this particular bilateral relationship between the United States and Israel. You really do not have to overthink this, guys. It actually really is this simple. The United States is number one interest in the Middle East is subduing and containing
the metastasis of the cancer that is radical Islam. The easiest way to do that in greatest bang for your buck fashion, so as to prevent the United States from betting sucked into to more moralistic nation building a rock afghanst and style of boondoggles. The easiest way to do that is to embolden your allies to do your dirty work for you. By the way, guess understands that point, President Trump. That's why mister Maga, mister America First, is
such a staunch supporter of this relationship. I don't, like me understand whether there are more people who call themselves America First, call them sells Maga don't understand that very very very simple point. So, no matter what is discussing Marolaga to day, I think that is the broader conceptual point to be made there. Again, we will see what happens when it comes to the actual X y Z, the nuts and bolts there, and we will assess it certainly on the other side. But for now, hope you
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