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The Josh Bersin Company

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Insider Insights on Corporate Talent, Learning, and HR Technology, with analyst perspectives, executive interviews, and in-depth vendor analysis.

Episodes

Galileo Now Embedded Within ServiceNow and HiBob

This week we announce the deep integration of Galileo , the world’s AI Assistant for HR, into ServiceNow (Now Assist) and the fast-growing HCM system HiBob . This means you can now access Galileo in the flow of work. Additional Information Announcement Details The Mercury Release of Galileo Signals a New Era for Intelligent Agents Q&A: Get Galileo for ServiceNow Q&A: Get Galileo for HiBob...

May 07, 20256 min

Welcome To AI Agent World! (Everything you need to know about the AI Agent market.)

This week, in advance of major announcements from us and other vendors, I give you a good overview of the AI Agent market, and discuss the new role of AI governance platforms, AI agent development tools, AI agent vendors, and how AI agents will actually manifest and redefine what we call an “application.” I discuss ServiceNow, Microsoft, SAP, Workday, Paradox , Maki People , and other vendors. My goal today is to “demystify” this space and explain the market, the trends, and why and how your IT ...

May 02, 202526 min

Dara Engle, CHRO of ORIX, Describes Global HR Governance

In this episode of the WhatWorks podcast, Dara Engle , CHRO of ORIX USA, speaks with Kathi Enderes to explore the power of systemic HR in transforming a global organization. Discover how Dara navigates the complexities of leading HR in a multinational context, leveraging her extensive experience to drive strategic alignment and transformation. From building resilient cultures to managing change in a fast-paced environment and coaching senior executives, Dara shares invaluable insights and advice...

May 01, 202519 min

Is The HR Profession As We Know It Doomed? In A Way The Answer is Yes.

In this week’s podcast I discuss my meetings with many companies in Europe about “how to rapidly implement AI” to improve productivity and scale. And every single company is being asked to do this now, some with very mature and sophisticated plans. So the first question I ask is “how do we implement AI to improve the productivity of the company” and then “how do we also do this within HR?” Well now that we’re a few years into this journey, the land mines and lessons are becoming clear, and I dis...

Apr 26, 202532 min

What Does AI-Native Mean? How "AI-First" Apps Change HR.

This week I discuss this massive shift toward “AI-Native” applications and systems which are radically different from traditional HR Tech, with a particular focus on L&D. I also explain how new AI architectures are so completely different from our traditional types of HR platforms, and how vendors have to be more expansive with their thinking. Vendors here include Sana, Degreed, Docebo, CodeSignal, Arist, Uplimit, and many other pioneers to come. (I recorded this on a walk today so it sounds...

Apr 19, 202521 min

Transforming The Talent Acquisition Function at NHS, UK

Alfredo Thompson , Chief People Officer at Royal United Hospitals Bath, NHS Foundation Trust, talks with Kathi Enderes about how he is leading an end-to-end transformation of talent acquisition and onboarding for the Trust. Built on principles of customer orientation and systemic HR®, the organization shifted recruitment from a compliance-oriented fulfillment center to a business growth function , using a combination of mindset shift, process redesign, technology enablement, and cross-functional...

Apr 15, 202519 min

How AI Is Blowing Up The Corporate Learning Market: The Whole Story

This week I detail the whole story: how the $360 billion corporate learning market is being blown up by AI . This tidal wave has now arrived, with every major company asking “how can I get rid of a third of my training department and deliver skills faster in the flow of work?” What happens to the Chief Learning Officer? What happens to the LMS? Is Instructional Design going away? What happens to needs analysis? And What are the new jobs in L&D being created? And in this new world, will we ev...

Apr 12, 202536 min

The Galileo™ Mercury Release: Reasoning, Talent Intelligence & More

Introducing the Galileo Mercury Release: a new reasoning model, extensive new data and information from Lightcast, the Universal Competency Framework from SHL, and our first “consultant mode” feature, Intelligent Benchmarking. Galileo is now the essential AI tool for HR professionals around the world. Get Galileo Today!

Apr 09, 202512 min

The Impact Of "Tariff Liberation Day" on Human Resources

This week the economic environment changed, with new US reciprocal tariffs launched on 180 countries. The net impact, which is hard to predict, is lots of strategy discussions about manufacturing, redeployment of resources, price increases, and possible economic slowdown. In today’s podcast I explain what this means to you, as an HR leader or HR professional. Additional Information The White Collar Recession Is Real: What Should We Do About It? The Rise of the Superworker: Reinventing Jobs, Care...

Apr 04, 202519 min

Are You An Innovative HR Officer? Hear From Jörg Dersch of XPAY

Jörg Dersch, CHRO at XPAY, joins Kathi Enderes to discusses innovation in HR and how CHRO’s can stay ahead. He also shares advice to CEOs about their role in HR issues. He shares his journey into HR leadership and how HR leaders can become true strategic partners in their organizations. From navigating digital transformation to building business acumen, Jörg offers valuable insights into what it takes to succeed in today’s highly-innovative, tech-enabled HR landscape. Jörg’s advice – “You own th...

Apr 01, 202520 min

Does Kindness Matter In Business? Today, Yes, More Than Ever.

What’s the solution to political, economic, and global conflict? It’s not more anger and competition, it’s kindness. In this podcast I try to convince you that Kindness, the act of listening, caring, and helping, is a real secret weapon. Additional Information The World Happiness Report (which proves that trust and social connections matter more than money) Edelman Trust Barometer 2025: Crisis of Grievance Kindness at Work: Our Research and UC Berkeley Research Irresistible: The Seven Secrets of...

Mar 29, 202517 min

U.S. Tariffs Force CHROs to Rethink Talent Strategy—Are You Ready?

Today I wanted to briefly discuss the impact of US Tariffs on manufacturing talent. As many of you know, decisions about where to locate manufacturing are very big and very important. As you’ll hear, much of your company’s response may come down to talent and skills issues, since manufacturing skills are in short supply. I hope this conversation helps you think through the fast-changing economic issues our companies face. Additional Information New Certificate Program: Building A Skills Strategy...

Mar 27, 202510 min

How Draup Is Expanding The World Of Talent Intelligence

Today I talk with Vijay Swaminathan, the CEO and co-founder of Draup , one of the most amazing data and insights providers in HR. Vijay and his partner Vamsee Tirukkala were the original founders of Talent Neuron, a pioneer in talent planning. Now, with Draup, they’ve gone an order of magnitude beyond to build a data platform that identifies skills, technologies, competitors, labor market trends, and a myriad of financial and organizational data to help companies benchmark themselves, plan, hire...

Mar 27, 202526 min

The Revolution In Corporate Learning Begins: Join The Crusade

Josh Bersin discusses the AI-powered revolution in corporate learning, highlighting the decline of L&D's influence, the challenges faced by the industry, and the potential of AI to transform content creation, curation, and personalization. He emphasizes the need to rethink L&D strategies, team structures, and the overall approach to learning in the modern workplace, advocating for a more strategic and dynamic role for L&D professionals.

Mar 21, 202519 min

CodeSignal: Groundbreaking AI Skills Assessment Arrives

Tigran Sloyan, CEO of CodeSignal , talks with Kathi Enderes about his company’s mission to transform skills assessment and development with AI. He shares insights from his experience at Google, where he recognized flaws in hiring practices that prioritize resumes over actual skills. Tigran explains how CodeSignal evolved from technical skills assessments to AI-driven personalized learning. He emphasizes the importance of a skills-based approach and using generative AI to make skills development ...

Mar 18, 202521 min

Tasks vs. Skills: Stories In AI-Based Job Transformation

Everyone is talking about productivity, layoffs, and job redesign. In this week’s podcast I share much of what we’re learning in AI-based job design, all with a focus on productivity. I discuss the role of Reejig , Gloat , Draup and the shift from “ skills-based organizatio n” strategies to “ task and activity ” redesign. And I also share my experiences with the “chainsaw” model of layoffs. Additional Information Busting Bureaucracy: Are Layoffs The Only Way To Go? How To Create Talent Density T...

Mar 14, 202520 min

How CHROs Shape The Workforce Of The Future: Caryn McGarry of ICF

In this episode of the WhatWorks podcast, Caryn McGarry, CHRO of ICF, describes her journey to CHRO how she manages HR in a highly competitive professional services company. Caryn shares insights on the detailed nature of the C-suite partnership and how her unique career path contributes to her C-level business role today. ICF is a large professional services company headquartered in Washington, DC with over 7,000 employees globally. Additional Information Why Is It So Hard To Be A Chief HR Offi...

Mar 10, 202518 min

Bonus Episode: What Happened To Our Sense Of Trust?

After an intense week in Europe at an HR Technology conference, I want to share my deep perspectives on Trust, which is in very short supply these days. Not only do European leaders mistrust the US right now, the Edelman Trust Barometer shows that 2/3 of employees no longer trust the CEOs of their own companies. In an effort to help you think this through, I share the three dimensions of trust and give you some important things to think about in your own career and in your role as an HR professi...

Mar 08, 202516 min

Don't Be Afraid: AI Is Your Friend

After a long week of meetings about AI transformation with many companies, I want to highlight the big paradox we face. On one hand, AI is now seen as a proven, pragmatic solution to productivity, growth, and customer experience. So every company is pushing for AI transformations in every domain. But on the other hand, AI is also likely to eliminate many routine jobs, already leading to a white-collar recession. (White collar and college educated workers are having a hard time finding new jobs.)...

Mar 07, 202519 min

AI Transformation From The Frontlines: Lessons Learned, Why Employees Are Worried

This week I summarize some of the hard-hitting AI transformation and productivity stories we’re hearing from clients, and I explain the various ways to approach these topics. I also discuss the surprising pushback on DEI and how workforce fear and stress has risen in our companies. All this leads to a new and important new role for HR leaders: driving and leading the push toward productivity and automation throughout the company. And finally I try to give you some perspective on the Elon Musk DO...

Mar 01, 202521 min

AI Arrives In Corporate Learning: Welcome to Arist

This week I interview CEO of Arist Michael Ioffe, one of the most innovative entrepreneurs I’ve met. Michael and his team have built an astounding message-based learning platform that uses AI to build content, distribute content, and even do needs analysis. For those of you who are L&D or learning geeks, you really need to listen to this podcast. Arist was developed for “learning in the war zone,” and that’s pretty much what business is like. Additional Information Experience Arist: HR Predi...

Feb 25, 202518 min

Don't Blame The Workers. Let's Be Honest About Productivity and Bureaucracy

This week I share perspectives on the huge theme of “taking a chainsaw to bureaucracy” and improving productivity. Is it fair to “ Blame the Workers ” for the bureaucracy we face? There is a growing trend toward strategic layoffs and workforce redeployment around AI, and this is just the beginning. But rather than blaming the workers for the problem, I suggest the problem starts at the top. When leaders over-hire, fail to clarify goals, and under-invest in strong leadership alignment, bureaucrac...

Feb 21, 202521 min

CHRO Insights: Arne-Christian Van Der Tang, HR Leader at TomTom

“The moment your HR organization can be ‘replicated’ into another company, you’ve failed as a CHRO.” In this podcast Arne-Christian explains why the CHRO is no longer an HR leader, but now a business transformation executive. Arne-Christian describes his career path to becoming a CHRO, identifies the key behaviors and characteristics that helped him become a high-performing CHRO, and discusses the evolving role of the CHRO and how it can shape the journey to Systemic HR®. He also provides action...

Feb 18, 202519 min

Jamie Dimon's Town Hall And What It Means (And Is Elon Musk Right?)

In this podcast I want to talk about Jamie Dimon’s recent town-hall at JP Morgan Chase . He describes his frustration with remote work, bureaucracy, and lack of productivity in vivid language. As you’ll hear from my comments, I have 100% sympathy for his feelings, but the answer is not as simple as forcing people into the office or laying off 10% of the workforce. Stay tuned I promise you’ll learn something. This is a problem in job design, culture, middle management roles, and overly complex jo...

Feb 14, 202521 min

Secrets Of The High-Performing CHRO: It's Harder Than It Looks

In this week’s podcast I introduce our new research on the important and fast-changing role of CHRO, or Chief People Officer. Over the last decade this role has exploded in scope and importance, leaving many CEOs and CHROs working to keep up. After a year of research studying the career history and performance of more than 20,000 senior HR leaders, I explain how the role has changed and share our new research on the backgrounds, experiences, and capabilities of the world’s leading Chief HR Offic...

Feb 12, 202521 min

Welcome to Enterprise AI: Multi-Functional Agents Change Everything

This week I discuss the rapid evolution of AI Agents in the Enterprise, and how they’re starting to replace billions of dollars of legacy enterprise software. It won’t happen overnight, but using our four-stage model, companies are rapidly looking at ways to use AI platforms to assist, automate, and integrate business workflows in ways that ERP and HCM systems failed. (PS: this disruption is why Workday and Salesforce just had layoffs.) The four stages are discussed in The Rise of the Superworke...

Feb 07, 202523 min

Lloyds Banking Group Describes Its $3B Business and Talent Transformation

Lloyds Banking Group, the largest bank in the UK, is undergoing a £3 Billion business transformation focused on enhancing customer experiences, integrating products and services, and leveraging technology to improve service delivery. Holly Quincey , Chief Talent Officer, describes the company’s accompanying talent transformation, particularly its skills-based hiring strategy. Talent Acquisition: This includes bringing executive hiring and leadership development in-house, saving millions. A progr...

Feb 04, 202519 min

Can Executive Orders Drive Change? Or Do We Think About Change Differently?

Change and transformation is the theme for 2025. 53% of CEOs believe their company will not exist in ten years, with iconic brands like Starbucks, Boeing, Nike, Intel, Southwest, and Target going through turnarounds. And 93% of CEOs believe AI will totally transform their operating model. ( PwC CEO Survey .) At the same time we’re witnessing a massive “change management” push in the US Federal Government, driven by 200+ executive orders and other communications. The big issue i discuss is “will ...

Feb 01, 202517 min

How Booz Allen Creates Validated Skills With Scale And Precision

Jim Hemgen , Director of Talent Development at Booz Allen Hamilton, talks with Kathi Enderes about how the company creates validated skills across hundreds of domains, including AI. This success story defines the journey for every company. Using skills validation provided by Workera , and content from Udemy and HackerRank , Booz Allen has created a highly trusted, validated skills process that credentials employees in a trusted and verified manner. And Jim explains how he works with these vendor...

Jan 27, 202520 min

DEI Firestorm and Alarming Decline In Trust Defines Our 2025 Mandate

In this conversation, I discuss the DEI firestorm, the evolution and current state of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives in the corporate world, the alarming decline in trust towards businesses, and the necessity for companies to reinvent themselves in the face of changing market dynamics and the rise of the ‘super worker’. I also explain how much of our HR research is now clearly playing out in the PwC CEO Survey, which puts a financial picture on much of our HR and workplace re...

Jan 24, 202519 min
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