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The Bull Market Is Just Getting Started

Jun 03, 202416 min
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Yardeni president believes we're just getting started. A stock market error caused Berkshire to drop 99% in price. Roaring Kitty is making a big options play on GME. And Paramount is merging with Skydance.

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Today on the Joseph Carlson Show, you can ignore this sell off. You don't have to worry about it because apparently, according to the Yardeni Research president, this bull market's just getting started. That's right. He didn't just say that we're in a bull market. That would be obvious because we've had two years now of huge gains. He said that the bull market is just getting started. And I want to listen to his reasoning why.

Anytime someone has some type of outside view where they believe that things are going to be overly optimistic in the market, I want to at least listen why? And the Yardeni Research president is someone that has a lot of data behind what he says. He runs this analysis firm that releases tons of economic data. So we're going to jump into this interview, dive into why he thinks this is just getting started. Of course, we also have some other big headlines.

The New York Stock Exchange experienced a technical issue that caused Berkshire Hathaway to be displayed as down 99%. So investors in Berkshire woke up and their brokerage said that they lost all of their money, all of their money except for 1% of their Berkshire Hathaway holding. We'll be looking at the air. What caused this, what the market does in these situations. We have news that Gamestop's roaring Kitty is back at it. And this time, he's not just

posting memes. He's not just posting gifts. He has a $116 million position in GameStop. This is pretty big news and it's received a lot of criticism once again from various people suggesting that this should be illegal. Something he's doing is wrong here. We'll be going over this as well. And then finally, we also have news that Paramount Global and Skydance have agreed to terms of a merger. It's not official yet, but we

have news that they have agreed. We're going to be going over the details of this, seeing if it's good for Paramount shareholders and seeing how this could affect companies like Netflix or Disney Plus. Now, on top of that, we'll be looking at My Portfolio. I'll cue you in on what I'm doing with my holdings, what companies I'm actively buying and how I see things right now. So we have a lot to get to in this episode. So before we jump in, just a

quick mention. qualtrim.com, the stock analysis tool that I've built, is now available for a free trial. If you're a first time user, you can join the Patreon today and you get the entire month for free. So try it out, I think you'll love it. Now let's first start off with the news of the day. We know that we've been in a bull market for at least a year. In 2022, the market went down 18%, so the S&P 500 dropped 18%. That was really painful. It was a difficult time for

investors. Nobody wanted to pay attention to the market. A lot of people lost all enthusiasm in the market. And that was the best time to be buying because the year after, in 2023, the market went up 23%, an enormous gain in the S&P 500, even more in the QQQ. And then in 2024, this year, the market's up around 10%. So we're well into a bull market at this point.

Things have been going good. And anytime that happens, there's lots of people that believe that it can't go on forever, that inevitably we have to enter into another bear market. So there's a lot of people now saying that is it time? Is it time for the bear market to finally arrive? But Ed Yardini, the president of Yardini Research, believes just the opposite. He believes the data shows that we're not about to enter into a bear market, but in fact, we're entering into a new bull market.

The bull market is just getting started now. Who is Ed Yardini again? He's the president of Yardini Research. This is a research firm that he started. You can go online and just access these charts, but he has tons of data and tons of charts about the economy, about the stock market, about valuations, and it's actually pretty cool. You can go through this website. You can just browse through anything, all the different sectors and get broad information.

I'm not sponsored by them. I have no affiliation with them, but this is a website that I reference from time to time. So you can go to like the fundamentals here of the the US stock market. You could go to quarterly metrics, write offs, earnings and the economy, revenue in the economy. You could go to dividend and buybacks. That's a chart that I like. So you can see all these different things.

For example, you could go to valuation and look at the S&P 500's earnings and dividend yield. We open this up. It has a lot of figures and breakdowns of historic valuations of the stock market and future. So this is a pretty extensive research website. A lot of this is just publicly available. And the the president of this wants to make the data more available to people. Then of course, from that research, he tries to draw conclusions. He tries to draw forecasts of

the future. And in this interview, he lays out his thesis. Let's go ahead and take a listen. Well. All in all, I'd say that the results were better than expected. The coming into the earnings season, the analysts were looking at something like a one to 2% increase in earnings, S&P 500 earnings on a year over year basis and it came in more like 6 to 7%. There's still a few more companies to report, but clearly

a much better result. And we definitely are seeing that in analysts estimates of earnings for this year, next year and in the following year. They've been raising their numbers. So All in all, this certainly justifies the bull market. So this is true. Analysts are raising their price targets on companies left and right because the companies are still growing their earnings at a healthy pace. Not the one to 2% GDP growth.

They're growing at 6 to 7%. As long as these companies continue to grow earnings, the stock market is justifying its increasing value. Yeah, you've got year end targets, 5400 for the S&P 500 by the end of this year, 6000 by the end of next year and I think it's 6500 by the end of 2026. That is part of your Roaring 20s analysis. We're not talking 1920s, we're talking the twenty 20s this time. So you still see a long way to

go with this bull market. I do, I think it's actually fairly early on. It's some people are talking about it being mid cycle a bull market or or getting near the end of the story. But I don't think that's the case. I think we're going to continue to see surprisingly strong productivity. We're not seeing that obviously in the first quarter numbers, but last year we had very strong productivity and I think that's going to continue into this year and beyond.

So yes, I I think there are similarities between the twenty 20s and the 19 and the 1920s and that's technology LED productivity that increased standards of living, which I think we're seeing now. I think it's very refreshing to see someone with this positive viewpoint because we know by the data that the media has an overall very negative bias. The media likes to highlight negative news, doomerish news, things that are going to be bad for the future.

And they do that because it draws more attention, more clicks, more eyeballs. People love it when they talk about the end of the world, the end of the stock market, how we should be super cautious, how we should be super concerned. Those people get a lot of media attention. So it's refreshing to see someone that's saying, no, things aren't so bad. No, the market's going to continue to go up. In fact, I believe we're early in the cycle. You haven't missed the train.

You can still be part of this. And he justifies this viewpoint with a good amount of data. For many years prior to the maybe past 10 years, everybody thought that the profit margin was just a very cyclical variable, this one sideways, but the trend's actually been to the upside, and we're thinking that we could be seeing something like a 13 to 14% profit margin for the S&P 500 in the next couple of years.

I mean, that's pretty amazing for the short, maybe even the medium term, but we know how the 1920s ended. You see a similar sort of crash coming. And and if So, what? What would cause it? No, I, I, I, I mean at this point it's, it's hard to see

that that far ahead. But if we use that analogy, that the problem that we had in in the 1920s with the reason it ended so badly is because Congress and the and the president at that time, Hoover, signed the Smoot Hawley Tariff in June of 1930. If you look at a chart of the Dow Jones industrials average, you'll see that, yeah, the great crash started in October of 1929. But then in early 1930, we actually reversed that and regained about half of what we lost.

So it was no big deal until the the June 3rd, 1930 passage of Smoot Hawley and that caused the Great Crash and I think it was a big contributor to the depression. Other factors were important too, but that one was a big one. So he accurately points out that a policy change was a major contributor to the crash in the 1920s. And then of course, that's unlikely to be repeated in this circumstance. So the data we have right now, everything that we know right now does not point to a bear

market. Now, of course, there's no guaranteed of a continued bull market. That's not the case that he's making. The case that he's making is that a lot of data supports the idea that the bull market can continue. And in fact, we're in the early stages of it. In terms of My Portfolio, I look at this the same way. I think the market could go down, but I'm not concerned about that because the companies I'm invested in can weather through a recession or a correction or a downturn.

These are very strong companies with very strong financials. If you invest this way or if you buy broad market ETFs, you don't have to concern yourself with sell offs. And I would treat every day as though it's the new day of a new bull market. I'm buying different companies that I think are at good valuations and I'm investing in companies that I believe are high quality companies that have

sold off. The company that I bought the most recently is Salesforce. Of course, with the 20% dip, I had to buy some of it. I bought another $4000 of Salesforce during this dip. I now have a $43,000 position. It's now $9500 in the red and I believe it's only a matter of time until I flip this one back into the green. I'm going to continue to hold it and buy more of it if it trades down. Now let's go to move on to some news. This headline was a bit

interesting. I woke up this morning, checked the stock market and saw that Berkshire Hathaway had dropped 99% in price. I thought it may have just been like like the website I was checking. Then I check other websites and it says the same thing everywhere. Across every financial website. It says Berkshire Hathaway had dropped 99% in stock price. So obviously something was wrong.

They say a technical issue on Monday caused a class shares of Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway to appear to be down nearly 100%. The New York Stock Exchange said the problem stem from the price bands published by the Consolidated Tape Association, the organization used by major exchanges to jointly provide real time stock quotes. The New York Stock Exchange said at roughly 11:45 that the issue had been resolved and trading was back to normal.

The CTA said that there was an issue with the limit up and limit down price bands, a mechanism meant to combat market volatility. The issue may have been caused by the new software release, and the organization will revert back to prior software programs and primary data Centers for Tuesday's trading session. So this was just a bug, a technical issue. The Consolidated Tape Association released this new software update and it caused

Berkshire stock to go down 99%. I think that would be a stressful Monday. I can't imagine the developers working on this. Whatever developer was responsible for releasing this update and testing it, They they come out with an update, they release it, and then all of a sudden they caused a stock, a Fortune 10 stock to drop 99%. Oops, something's wrong. Roll it back to the previous update. No big deal.

It's, it's OK everyone. That would be a a rough start to your Monday. Hopefully those developers are doing OK Now. The next big news we have is that Gamestop's roaring Kitty, Keith Gill is back. And this time he's not just posting memes. He's not just doing the little GIF video thing. The post on Reddit revealed a $116 million position in GameStop. This is a big option bet. If you look at the post on Reddit, it's nothing spectacular. It's literally just a post of

his position. This is it. The post title is GME Yolo. Update with the date. There's no other context other than the screenshot of his position. This post on social media has caused GameStop to go up 35% on the day. So obviously he's made a lot of money on this trade and this raises the question of the legalities behind this. We know that his post is causing the stock to go up, so this is like a self fulfilling money circle.

He posted, he has a position, it causes a stock to go up and he makes money on the position that he posted. This is something that obviously anyone would love to have. Everyone would love to have the influence to just be able to post a position. It causes a stock to up 35% and you make a fortune. And there's not many people in that position. There's only a few, only a few with big enough influence. Warren Buffett's one of them.

Major hedge funds and Roaring Kitty or Keith Gill with GameStop. The difficulty in arguing of whether or not this is illegal is answering the question of how this is any different than what people do on CNBC Every single day. Every single day on CNBC, people go on and talk their book. They talk about their stocks, they talk about their thesisis. They want their stocks to go up.

It's just the case that most of them don't have the influence of Keith Gill. If they had the influence of Keith Gill, does that make it illegal suddenly? Those are important questions. But when I look at this, I don't see any problem. From what I can tell, he's not trading with any insider data or exclusive knowledge. He's just posting his positions, which is what professional investors do every three months. Now, finally, we get to the news of the Paramount Global and Skydance merger.

We know that Paramount has been struggling. It's a stock that I have considered a value trap for a while because they have assets that are not at scale. It's a company that's weighed down by a lot of legacy assets. They have some great studio content, but they don't have the subscribers, they don't have the eyes on them, they don't have the scale. When companies lack scale, they need to merge. They need to try to buy scale or at least dilute and merge with scale, they say.

The agreement term comes after weeks of discussion and recent competing offers from Apollo Global Management and Sony Pictures. Now they've had multiple people they're talking to, talking about different agreements, different arrangements. But one thing that has been important to Paramount is to try to keep what they've created together. They don't want to just sell it off for parts. A lot of it is kind of like their pride and history of creating this company.

And if you have a family that you've created a company like Paramount, you don't want to have it stripped down and sold for parts to something like Apollo Global Management or Sony Pictures. You want to try to keep what you've created together so that your legacy lives on. But in many cases, that's not what's best for the shareholder.

The shareholder may have done better by selling Paramount to Sony Pictures or Apollo Global Management, but part of this deal is motivated by the family wanting to keep what they've created together. So that creates a little bit of a a difference in interest. But we see the deal working out with Skydance. They say that Skydance would buy out nearly 50% of the Class B Paramount shares at $15 a piece, or $4.5 billion, leaving the holders with equity in the new

company. Skydance and Redbird would also contribute 1.5 billion in cash to Paramount's balance sheet to help reduce debt. The deal is valued at $8 billion, an increase from the 5 billion offer on the table earlier. Under those earlier terms, the Redstone family, which is the ones that own Viacom, they're the ones that own the majority stake in this. And again, they're wanting to like, keep things together.

They want to keep a legacy. They would have received less than $2 billion for her stake in the Class B shares would have been bought out at nearly a 30% premium at $11.00 per share. So they actually upped the bid on this transaction. The family's making more money and they're keeping the company together. I think they have to be happy with this deal. I look at Paramount now and I think it's going to be a great studio. Paramount with Skydance, I think is going to make some awesome

content. But they still have the trouble of scale and lots of content still can't buy you scale. That's something you have to earn over a long period of time. So I think Paramount Global and Skydance, after this merger, I think they'll continue to be a bit of an arms dealer. They'll make content, they'll produce really good stuff. It'll go to the theaters and then it will end up on Netflix.

And I know I'm a shareholder of Netflix, so this is coming from a buy standpoint, but if I had to choose at this point, I'd still rather own Netflix. That's all for this time. I hope you enjoyed. See you in the next one.

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