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UK's Suicide Vote: Nation Pulls the Plug on Itself

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One of the phrases I hate as a pro lifer is the word or the expression culture wars. That conservatives are getting too tied up in culture war debates and they're not focused on what's you know, really important, like you know per capita GDP, or you know, whether the reconciliation bill is going to pass, or or cutting the deficit,

which will never actually do. It seems like this word culture war, this phrase culture war got created specifically as a way to minimize the importance of social conservative issues. Social conservative issues, particularly like LGBT related issues, marriage debate,

and most especially abortion. And it's a particularly American thing, much to the grown own eye rolling dismay of European liberals and American liberals who wish they were European liberals that in America and I don't know what it is.

It's the specifically American character, the character of American Catholics and American Evangelicals most especially, that has allowed us to keep fighting these fights when Catholics and Protestants in the Old World stopped, when Catholics in much of Europe gave up, not all of Europe. Poland is still very vigorously Catholic Ireland was pretty vigorously Catholic until a little bit ago, but for the most part, Europe just kind of gave

up on fighting against abortion. The Europeans legalized gay marriage without a tussle, without a fight, and without much debate. And there's a certain when you go over to Europe and you look at political parties over there, and you'll see someone characterized as far right, far right, a far right political party, which it's so ridiculous the way the media characterizes European political parties. So there's usually usually the division of labor is if they say that it's a

left wing party, what it means it's borderline communist. When they say it's a center right party, it means pretty much has the same beliefs as the Democrat Party in the United States does. And then when they say hard right or far right or extreme right, what they mean is something that's almost as conservative as the Republican Party. That's what usually that's usually what they mean when you read any American media account of European politics. That's how

you have to translate it. When they say the center left party, what they mean is almost socialist or pretty much totally socialists. When they say center right, they mean about as liberal as the modern day Democrat Party. And then when they say far right, hard right, they mean almost as conservative as the Republican Party. Because even like they're far right parties, they're hard right parties. Abortions not on their radars. It's not even a debated issue. Family stuff,

transgender stuff, it's not really the subject of debate. And Europeans will talk about how, oh, you know, well we don't have the kind of culture war fights like you guys have in the United States. Well maybe you should. Maybe you actually should, because in over the course of this week, the United Kingdom has legalized both abortion through birth and assisted suicide. Just today legalized physician assisted suicide. Parliament has just passed this, and I want to talk

about these things. So the sort of settlement that most of Europe had landed on when it comes to abortion was basically abortion restricted to the first half of pregnancy, more or less, and that's actually the case in most of Europe. In fact, that was one of the weird things.

When America was still living under rov Wade prior to twenty twenty two, the United States actually had far more liberal abortion laws than any country in Europe did pretty much all of Europe banned abortion after about the twenty week point of pregnancy, which is the halfway point. Many countries in Europe restricted abortion only to the first trimester.

Some countries in Europe had other kinds of restrictions that American pro abortion advocates would scream and shout and flail about, like, you know, certain certain hour like forty eight twenty four to forty eight hour waiting periods, mandatory counseling before you got an abortion, stuff like that. There are all kinds of these European restrictions. You know, we would think of

Europe as so culturally left wing. Actually they were more conservative than American liberals are when it comes to the question of abortion. But it's just not a live political

issue over there. Especially in the United Kingdom, members of the so called Conservative Party are just as likely to be pro abortion as members of the Labor Party, the Tories, the Conservatives don't seem to give a hoot about abortion, and it seems almost as if attitudes on abortion and assisted suicide just seemed to vary from MP to MP.

You have some prominent members of Parliament like Jacob Breeze, Mogg, who was very prominent under Boris Johnson, who was a very devout Catholic and he disliked abortion and things like that. But Boris Johnson was I believe, was more okay with it David Cameron okay, I mean such that it wasn't even really that big of an issue. So they introduced this bill to expand Great Britain's legalization of abortion too, all the way through pregnancy forty weeks, and they pass

it with an enormous majority. Let's remember right now that the Labor Party is in control in Parliament under Keir Starmer, who's the Prime Minister of Great Britain. They pass legal abortion by a massive majority and without even like any debate.

That's the craziest thing about this. They passed Like you guys may remember this, how like New York back in like twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, and a bunch of other states were passing these very aggressive pro abortion laws to you know, get rid of penalties for babies who may have survived childbirth, survived and attempted abortion and then just

not providing them with care. New York was decriminalizing certain kinds of criminal abortion, like getting there's all kinds of these insane super pro abortion laws that were being passed in twenty eighteen, and they were huge national news stories.

In the United Kingdom, they just passed this law to expand legal abortion all the way through full term pregnancy, as in, in the United Kingdom, it's going to be legal to kill a thirty nine week old baby in a forty week long pregnancy, which by the way, can be done, I mean it is done in some states in the United States. Pro abortion folks try to argue that it's only done because of medical emergencies. It's not only done because of medical emergencies. Very often it's done

just for pure birth control reasons. And they just pass it with, as they call it, just a minimal amount of so called backbencher debate, meaning it's the backbenchers, the people who sit at the back benches of the Parliament, who are, you know, the less important members of Parliament, the people nobody's heard of doing debates that no one's really following very closely. So earlier this week they just passed that how hum whistling past the graveyard, and then

today they pass physician assisted at suicide. Now this was narrower. There was much more national debate about this. The bill would allow patients to be killed. So let's understand the structure of most physician assisted suicide legislation. So and let me define some terms. There's euthanasia and there's assisted suicide, slightly different things. Physician assisted suicide basically means a doctor prescribes poison to you that you ingest in the form

of a pill or something. So it's not the doctor directly killing you, it's the doctor assisting you so that you can kill yourself. Euthanasia is the doctor's the one plunging the syringe. The doctor's the one adding the poison to your IV. That's euthanasia. Okay, so there's a slight difference. They're both bad. And the way most assistant suicide laws are structured. This is how California's law is structure. This is how the potential New York law is going to

be structured. This is how the UK's laws structured. Is basically, you get someone with some kind of a serious diagnosis that, in the view of the lawmaker, renders one's quote quality of life to be lessened. Whatever that qualifying state is that qualifies you to receive a prescription to request a prescription from a doctor for physician assist at suicide. Now here's the problem is that what is that definition of what is that qualifying condition? So in California it's a

one year termminal diagnosis. You receive a terminal diagnosis that you're not going to outlive a year. Well, first of all, those kinds of things are good faith estimates on the part of doctors. They are not set in stone, lock

it down one hundred percent certainty guarantees. Right, It's not like if a doctor tells you you have eight months to live, like on you know, seven months and twenty nine days, you're perfectly fine, and then at you know, seven months and thirty one days, you keel over dead immediately at the stroke of midnight. That's not how that's not how it works. It's an estimate. Maybe you'll make it,

maybe you won't. Maybe you'll live way beyond it, maybe you'll have a really amazing recovery and you'll respond perfectly to treatment in ways that people can't always foresee because there's a gazillion different variables, And maybe you'll outlive your diagnosis by twenty years. Now, the problem is that the category of who qualifies once you've crossed that fundamental boundary

of actively killing is okay. As opposed to the universal accepted Western medical ethical practice of there is a significant distinct difference between actively killing someone and deciding to withdraw extraordinary means of care allowing nature to take its course. Okay, there's a massive difference there, and it makes sense given the anthropology behind this, Like you really have to go down to the fundamental question, why is killing people wrong?

Why is killing people bad? All right, let's actually break it down, let's actually try to think about it and talk about it. Why is it bad to kill people? Well, it's bad to kill people because we can see that life living is a good. Okay, it is the good towards which our bodies are oriented, towards which our human nature is oriented. Death comes about through our bodies breaking down, malfunctioning,

not operating according to their proper ends. This is the sense in which in Christian theology we would say death is on or really maybe more Christian philosophy we would say that, and not exclusively Christian philosophy, either Greek philosophy Aristotelian philosophy. We would say that death is not natural. Yes, it is a thing that happens to everybody, but it involves the body breaking down, not functioning according to its

proper flourishing. So here is death as this ill, as bad as this natural evil, which, while it's contrary to the good of our flourishing, is where we're all ending up. That's where we're all going to deliberately actively bring that about. Then, is clearly something different from letting it happen. It is

eventually going to happen to all of us. To actively do it, though, to take a life involves this massive disruption to the social order, taking someone out of the political community that the community of all of us living together. This is why murder is bad. Life is good. Human beings are good. Human beings have connections to other human beings because they are political animals in a community with others. We love them, We care for them as goods in and of them, as things that are good in and

of themselves. When you kill someone actively, you are acting in a way that's contrary to nature, letting death happen, allowing this natural evil to happen. Once you realize that you cannot forestall it is one thing actively killing someone is different. Once you cross the line of saying yes, I can actively kill someone for some kind of quality of life reason, where do you stop? Where do you draw the line? How do you define what is or isn't a good quality of life? The slippery slope has

to happen. Slippery slope argument is not a logical fallacy when it comes to something like physician assistant suicide. Once you have accepted the premise that you can actively kill someone, including yourself, there is no stopping point anything that makes someone say I don't if you say that someone should die on the basis of some quality of life judgment, there is no stopping point anymore. And that's why we see with this bill in the UK, someone with anorexia

may be able to qualify for physician assistant suicide. We're seeing this in the in Canada where people with depression are qualifying for physician assistan at suicide. They're just offing anyone who is becoming And this is what's happening as people become inconvenient, and people are very inconvenient at the end of their life, and we'll talk about the cost

things next. This is why disabilities groups so often opposed physics assisted suicide because they are difficult, they are burdens on society, and someone could push them to make value judgments that their life is not worth Continuing now, when we return, I want to talk about the financial side of assisted suicide and the deep injustice there. That's next on the John Girardi Show. The United Kingdom just legalized

physician assisted suicide today. It's already legal in California, it's legal in Canada, and I'm afraid it could spread to more and more states throughout the United States. And this is one of the reasons why I'm so terrified of it. I retweeted this post to my Twitter account at Fresno Johnny. This is a Twitter post from this woman, Caroline Pharaoh, who is some kind of British TV news talking head.

She posts this sign that the anti assisted suicide advocates, one of the anti assistant physicians' suicide advocates, was holding, saying it won't be our choice for long, and then has two little graphs, one for one cycle of chemotherapy which costs three eighth and eighty five pounds, assisted suicide, which costs one hundred eighty three pounds and that's it

right there. It is much cheaper. And this is a huge appeal of physician assisted suicide that people are not wanting to talk about on the pro assisted suicide side. The pro assisted suicide side is trying to talk about autonomy, allowing people to make their own decisions, and they're covering up the enormous temptation that assisted suicide is going to propose.

For countries like the United Kingdom that have socialized medicine, they got to balance their budgets, as well as countries like America that have insurance companies that don't like paying out for things. Assisted suicide is much cheaper than end of life care, and that is its enormous risk. Most of the healthcare resources that you are going to take up over the course of your life, listener, you are going to take up those resources in the last year

of your life. When I think of like my dad, for example, Okay, my dad who passed away from cancer back of March in March of twenty twenty four. My dad was a very healthy man. I don't know what medical resources he took up over the course of the first I don't know, sixty four years of his life. Regular checkups. I don't know if my dad had ever had a surgery. I don't know if he ever broke a bone. I guess maybe probably broke a bone or

something when he was a kid. I think he had like some little skin cancer things that got whacked off, but nothing serious. The enormous majority of the healthcare resources my dad took up over the course of his life, he took up in his last like two or three years of life. During his during the time that he learned that he had cancer and treating the cancer and surgeries to treat cancer, et cetera overwhelming percentage of it.

And we knew that my dad was likely was likely going to die of his cancer pretty much for the last year of his life. He died in March of twenty four. We had learned in March of twenty three that the cancer had spread extremely broadly and that, you know, his long term odds were not good, And so we knew that my dad certainly would have qualified for physician assistant suicide at that point, and certainly it would have saved everyone a lot of money if he had taken

up on that. And I'll just say this, I wouldn't trade that one last year I had with my dad for anything, And I know it was horribly difficult on my mom. It was difficult on everybody. I mean, he had all kinds of complications, especially towards those last months. But you know, he got to see my kids grow one year older. He got to be with my kids a little more. He got to see his grandson play a flag football game. He you know, he got to sit together and just but yeah, you know, I'm gonna

start crying if I talk too much more. But the point I'm trying to make is from a public policy angle, social liberals who are okay with killing people because that's apparently there they're mantra they are going to in. They are hugely incentivized from a cost saving perspective to push people into physician assisted suicide rather than getting end of life care because end of life care is way more expensive.

And I think that's especially. I think that's going to be true both in countries with socialized medicine like Canada and the United Kingdom, and I think it's going to be true even in certain cases in America with insurance

companies who don't want to pay out for things. It won't be your choice for long, and especially in the socialized medicine system where you know, not everyone can get cataly care, they might start saying to people, the government's not going to pay for your chemotherapy, but we will pay for a physician assistant suicide. So it's going to start, as you know, voluntary physician assistant suicide, and it's going

to slide into direct and involuntary euthanasia. I'm it's hard to think how the financial pressures don't immediately push in that direction. And that's why people with disabilities so often opposed physician assistant suicide because their healthcare is really expensive too. When we return, all the worst people in American politics have all gotten mad at Donald Trump in the course of the last seventy two hours. That's next on the

John Girardi Show. All right, I want to talk about Ron for a little bit and the way that Donald Trump has managed to make all of the stupidest people on both sides of the should we shouldn't we get involved debate. So there are two kinds of extremely stupid people in the debate, and then I think two kinds of more reasonable people. So the two kinds of extremely stupid people and I'll have the two sides. It's not

really left or right, it's restrainers and interveners. And by the way, this seems to be a conversation that's only happening on the right. The left, I feel, is like totally disengaged from the Iranian conflict, and I feel like all they're really doing is trying to position themselves to say that whatever Donald Trump does is bad. So if Trump does intervene, he's a horrible, escalating warmonger monster who

didn't go to Congress for congressional pproval or whatever. If Trump doesn't intervene, then oh, he loves Iranian terrorists, and different Democrats will sort of position themselves to criticize him for that. If he does attack, then the AOC types will say that he's a monster if he excuse me. If he does attack, the AOC types will say he's

a monster. If he does not participate, does not engage, does not attack, then maybe the sort of more moderate leaning types like I don't know, maybe John Fetterman will criticize him, or Chuck Schumer will. I don't want to use Chuck Schumer or Josh Shapiro as the examples because they're both Jewish, but I could I could see more moderate liberals criticizing Trump for that. Anyway, the left seems totally disengaged. So I'm gonna this is an intra right

wing argument, intra and write argument. So you've got the restrainers and you've got the interventionists, all right. The stupidest restrainers are the Candace Owens types, and to a certain extent, Tucker Carlson. Candace Owens I think is dumber than a bag of rocks. And I think she's always been kind of dumb, and it's only now that people are starting to kind of see it that she's pretty anti Semitic

at this point. And the anti interventionists who are just like, we're not gonna die for another Israeli war is all right, Well, let's calm down. Israel was not the reason we intervened in Afghanistan or Iraq. That wasn't the reason why. And we haven't actually fought any of Israel's wars. Israel has fought all of them. Now, do I think maybe we are too over involved with Israel? We give them lots of military aid, which redounds to our ill in the

long run. In many cases. I mean, one of the chief reasons why countries in the Middle East hate are Guts so much is because of our support for Israel. Am I generally against the idea of proxy wars and the fact that we fund Israel militarily so much that it puts us on the hook for stuff that they do in various kinds of ways. Yes, I'm critical of all those things, but I never veer into the kinds

of anti Semitic sort of nonsense that Owens does. And I think Carlson and Owens have been sort of stooges for some of the stupider foreign policy ideas, the idea of Vladimir Putin's actually maybe a really good guy, and why are we being so harsh on him? Like, well, no, Vladimir Putin's a bad guy. No one needs to dispute that it's bad to invade other countries. Whether he was he felt some sort of pressure to do it, you

still shouldn't do it. It's bad. Okay. I'm not gonna be crying alligator tears for Vladimir Putin because countries in Europe wanted to join NATO. Forget No, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna feel bad for Vladimir Putin for starting a horrific war in which what is it now, hundreds of thousands of people have died. No, Vladimir Putin's a bad guy.

He started that war. It's his fault anyway. So the candae Owens and Tucker Carlson types were totally dismayed a couple of days ago, and it looked like the United States was about to join up with Israel in air strikes on a run. Super ticked off about it, and all the neocons were gloating. Now this leads me to the other group of people I despise, the mega neocon types who were gloating against the Tucker Carlsons of the world. That ha, the President is ready to go. He's gonna

tax see you you all, you restrainer types. You thought you had Donald Trump. You thought his foreign policy was your foreign policy. Turns out he's not as doctrinaire about any of this, and you guys are gonna lose. And Trump's gonna bomb a run ha ha. And the super interventionist types who have wanted regime change in Irun for forever, and frankly, who doesn't want regime change in Iran. It's a horrible regime. The problem is how do you do it? And the restrainer types would say there's no way to

do it easily. However, the interventionist types swiftly shifted from you know, support for whatever the Israelis are doing, to oh, maybe we give them some bunker buster bombs to regime change. Let's regime change. And it gets to the point where the worst people on the interventionist side. Probably the worst

person on the interventionist side is Bill Crystal. Bill Crystal formerly of The Weekly Standard, which was once famously called by a talk radio host on a competing station, I believe the Weekly Standard w e a k l y Standard, which a phrase that I love. Bill Crystal, who hated Trump so much that after twenty sixteen he basically completely

abandoned all of his prior conservative positions. He ran conservative publications, He was a talking head for Fox News who predicted confidently that McCain would win eight and Romney would win in twenty twelve. He was on the board of directors of pro life organizations, like he was mister Conservative. And then Trump comes along and he not only does he just say I'm still a conservative, I just don't like

Donald Trump. No, he abandons ship on all of his prior positions and adopts pretty much the entire Democrat Party platform except the one thing he stayed consistent on is his constant neocon desire to invade hot sandy countries in the Middle East, and he has wanted to intervene in Iran for decades. Crystal once it looked like so at first, earlier in the week, it looked like, yeah, Trump was about to launch airstrikes against I Run. Then a day or two later, it looks like Trump wants to reopen

negotiations with the Iranians again. And now all of the worst intervener neocon types now they're all mad at Trump. And Crystal's basically saying, well, it's a constant move by totalitarians that they want to shore up support at home first before they do something, that their focus is always on dominating things domestically. So apparently, according to Bill Crystal, it's totalitarian to not want to topple a foreign regime. That's what's really totalitarian. Now, the actual debate, I think

is between limited interventionists versus limited restrainers. There are limited restrainers who say, all right, if there is a way, have we determined there is a way to stop the Iranian nuclear program through a limited American air strike perhaps at the four Dow that all of the focuses on this four Dow nuclear plant, that the Iranians have buried two football fields down in the side of a mountain underground that apparently the Israeli military ordinance their bombs can't reach.

But America has these so called bunkerbuster bombs that apparently can reach it. So the thought is, either the United States gives Israel some of these bombs, or the United States itself launches such an attack, and if by doing so ends the Iranian nuclear threat, the threat of Iran getting a nuclear weapon, Okay, that could work, And I think there are a lot of restrainer types who are open to that idea. A lot of the restrainer types are saying, look, yes, we agree, Iran having a nuclear

weapon is against the interests of the United States. Now there are the limited restrainer type, the limited interventionist types who are saying, look, we don't want full scale, like twenty year long occupation of Iran, but the Iranian regime is now all of a sudden extremely a ton of their senior leadership has gone. It might be that we

know where the Ayatola Comania is. What if we took necessary military action right now through airstrikes in such a way that maybe we could kill Kamani and bring about regime change, And that's tantalizing. Iran is the world's biggest state sponsor of terrorism, has been for decades, has hated the United States, has killed hundreds and hundreds of American servicemen serving in Iraq. They fund all of the worst actors in the Middle East, Hamas, the Houthies, et cetera.

You know, uh, the horrible Assad regime in Syria, although God knows if the new regime that toppled the Assad regime in Syria is going to be any better. It's tantalizing. It would be a good thing to not have the Islamic Republic ruling in Iran. But this is where I think I ultimately side with the restrainers. Yes, I would love a magic ferry dust scenario of we topple the current regime and then a new regime, fully formed organized with the full support of the Iranian people, allegedly comes

to the forefront. Stably and the United States doesn't have to do anything to prop it up. Do you think that's gonna happen. No, I would predict this. If the Iyatola is toppled and a new government comes in, Iran is going to descend into civil war, and it'll be in our national interest to support one side over the other. And Russia might get involved for wanting to support one side over another. And all of these interventionist neo con types are all of a sudden gonna say we gotta

get involved. No, I don't want to get involved. I am fine with doing the first Trump administration policy towards Iran, completely cutting them off financially with sanctions so that they can't export terror, they can't keep funding Hamas in the Hoothies,

cripple their nuclear weapons ambitions. That's fine. I feel like if you topple the regime, if we actually seek regime change, it could lead to a much worse and more involved situation that we're gonna have to get involved in because the Europeans can't do it, and the only other country that could credibly do it is Russia, and we don't want them to have more influence in the Middle East when we return. How oddly enough, the person I trust the most in all of this is Donald Trump. Next

on the John Girardi Show. You know, in the whole Iran debate that's happening on the right, where you have interventionists who are like, oh, yes, we should push for he should accomplish regime change, and then I think being ridiculous about not thinking through, Well, you do realize there's an enormous chance we get drawn into that. If there's

regime change, there's gonna be internal conflict in Iran. We will obviously have an interest in supporting one side over another side, and then we're gonna get drawn it, and I don't want us to get drawn in. Now in that whole discussion, oddly enough, the one person I actually trust the most in all of this is Donald Trump. Trump, who absolutely does not want a twenty year Middle East

rebuilding project. He just does not, as much as he wants to be strong and do something that's effective, and he doesn't want to run to have a nuke, he also doesn't want that. So I'm actually out of anyone in this whole debate, the crazy neocons on the one side, the Candae Owen types on the other side. I trust Trump more than anyone else that'll do it. John Girardi Show, See you next time on Power Talk

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